WEBVTT - Links to Your Kinks with Tony Hawk 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:01.760 Hi, Catherine. 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:04.600 Oh hello Chelsea. Thanksgiving Day today. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:09.080 Oh, Happy Thanksgiving, guys, Happy Thanksgiving. I am in the 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:11.560 process of picking out a new dog, a rescue, a 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.320 half chow rescue. I'm dealing with this chow chow company 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.160 in Houston that only has chows. I'm forgetting a dog 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.960 for Whistler. I'm bringing one dog to Whistler. Bernice does 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:22.799 not like Whistler, so she's going to stay back with 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.240 my Belle and her lover, Fernando, who's my Bell's son. 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.000 They send me illicted pictures of them multiple times a day, 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.360 of her in bed with Fernando under his arms, sleeping 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.160 under the covers, which is a joke because she doesn't 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.400 fucking do that, so obviously they're staging these photos. Anyway, 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.000 I am leaving her behind because I feel like it's 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.640 abuse of making her come to Whistler with me. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:46.240 Yeah, sometimes just don't travel. 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.360 I don't want her to have to travel, so, but 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.599 I do need a dog, so I'm gonna pick one 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:51.920 up and get a winter dog. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.000 And I am choosing between three male dogs. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.040 One is named Doug, one is named Albi, and one 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.639 is named Jim and I there are all between one 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.360 to two years and they're not like the most they're not. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.560 I really want a full full chow. I want the 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.360 full blown Yeah, but I don't want to buy a dog. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.679 I think that's gross. I probably will do it anyway 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.399 at some point, but I'm gonna rescue now. Good for you, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.360 and I'm gonna yeah. So I'm just gonna keep you 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.320 posted on that. I'm just they're not the cutest dogs 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.120 in the world. Like, I have a type a face, 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.120 and these are all very cute. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:23.800 Dogs, but they're not. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.640 I just want to say, that's how great of a 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.840 parent I am. I'm still gonna get a dog, but 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:29.960 I don't think is perfect. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.760 Don't judge a dog, Bay, it's cover, No, I know. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:33.920 I learned that the hard way. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:35.760 I sat next to somebody at an event recently and 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.840 I was like, oh, no, I'm sitting next to this person, 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.559 and then we had a fucking blast and I'm. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:40.480 Like, oh, I like you. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.440 Sometimes people are surprising, Yeah they are. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:43.960 It's hard not to judge a book by its cover, 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.920 because sometimes people make it so hard to not judge 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:48.400 them by the way they look, because they're the way 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.600 they look is so ridiculous, right, or. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.200 Like they they look like a specific kind of person 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.400 you already have sort of a groove for in your brain, 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:56.880 and you're like, oh, they're gonna be like this, and 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:57.680 then sometimes. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:58.160 They just like shock you. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:01:58.720 Yeah. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.160 I remember growing up like I was always afraid to 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.720 go into hot topic. But that's like where they had 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.360 all the stuff that I wanted to buy, and I 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:06.840 finally braved it and went in. Well, I was like 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.560 in sixth grade, and then everyone in there was so nice, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:10.560 and I was like, wait, all. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.680 The nicest people are actually in hot topic? 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:13.720 What is hot topic? 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.040 Oh, it's like the goth teenagers at them all. That's 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:18.400 why I haven't heard of it back. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.839 When we had malls. You are headed to Whistler soon. 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:25.040 How long are you going for I'm going for winter, yes, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:25.919 like four months. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:27.640 Yeah, is December through. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.280 I have all my Canadian dates there, so I'm doing 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.160 I'm basing myself out of Whistler. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.800 My house is still not ready. It'll never be ready. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:35.760 I guess your house here. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.880 And I just came from a meeting again. I'm constantly 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.359 going to meetings and then I'm constantly picking out things. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.800 I'm like, didn't we already pick this out? I really 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.800 can't even express how long this has taken. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.079 No, truly, Like when we met, you were shopping for 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:49.520 a house and then you bought one and it's still 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:50.160 being ready me. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:51.920 I mean, I would love the time frame because it 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.240 was supposed to be ready in August. 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.360 Before that, it was supposed to be ready in June. Yeah. 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.639 Now we're in at the end of November and they're 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:58.440 saying December. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.400 So we started record I think in February twenty twenty one. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.400 Well, and I spent two years in a rental house, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.240 so that's to raisis to twenty three. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.360 Here we are two and a half years later. 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.800 Couldn't happen to a better person, you guys, couldn't happen 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:14.560 to a better person? 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.480 So true, Chelsea. We have a pretty exciting guest today. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.440 Please welcome co host of the Hawk Versus Wolf podcast 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.440 and skateboarding the Legend, Tony Hawk. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.519 Hi, Hi, Tony Hawk. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.000 Tony Hawk is with here. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.839 Tony Hawk is with here today. Everybody okay, and I'm 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:31.960 here too with us? 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.400 Tony. How are you nice to meet you? 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.400 You too, Thank you? Thanks for having me. I'm good. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.240 I don't think we've ever met before. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.360 I feel like we know a lot of the same people, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.360 but I don't think we've officially met. So nice to 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.360 meet you. Thank you. Yeah, I'm a big fan. 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:46.280 Oh well, thank you. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.720 Likewise, I mean, I'm a very big admirer of everything 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.160 you've accomplished in your life in your sport. I know 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.960 that you came big on the scene with skateboarding. You 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:59.160 were like it was the eighties and you invented it's 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.000 called the nine hun. Can you explain to our female 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.320 listeners what that is in case any of them don't know. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.400 Yeah, well, that refers to degrees of rotation, So it 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.800 is basically a two and a half spin in the air, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.040 kind of like what you would see on a trapeze, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.240 but from a ramp and coming back down the ramp 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:16.839 without anything to catch you. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.400 How does it compare to what Simone Biles has been 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.040 up to these last few weeks. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.159 I it would be like if Simone Biles was trying 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.359 a trick for five or ten years and then she 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:28.920 finally made it once. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.440 Yeah okay, and then also landed on wheels. Well yeah, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.280 well she might not be far behind you. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.760 I'm not discounting what she does at all. I'm a 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.720 huge fan of Simone Biles. I'm just saying like, this 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:41.640 was more of a thing that I had been trying 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.400 off and on for the better part of ten years 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.359 of my life and then finally made it during the 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.719 X Games in nineteen ninety nine. So it resonated a 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.920 lot and it was a big deal for me because 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.400 it was it was sort of the end of my 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.360 competition era, so it was a good out. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:58.360 Yeah. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.960 Seriously, I did a bunch of people mimic you after 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.200 or tried to. Were they able to also? 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:08.240 Yeah? Yeaheah. Actually within that same year, two other guys 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.120 did it, and nowadays, honestly, like it's not very commonplace, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.120 but there is a dozen or so people that can 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.600 do it, and now they have managed to surpass that 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.599 with extra spins all the way up to a twelve sixty, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.520 So now we have three and a half spins. It's 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.640 on a bigger ramp, so it's a different it's a 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.560 different setup, but it's amazing to me. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.120 Yeah, that is amazing. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.160 So when you when you're able to perfect something like that, 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:32.919 how many more times are you able to do it? 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.440 After you were able to pull it off at the 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:35.920 X Games. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.080 I could after that, I could do it pretty regularly. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.400 I would say I probably did it forty to fifty 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.760 times after that. It's kind of like when you when 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:47.160 you know it's possible. Yeah, it's a little easier to navigate. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.800 Uh huh. And when was the last time you were 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:50.720 able to pull that off? 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.400 I did it about five years ago, six years ago, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.120 and it was so hard to do at that I 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.040 mean I was forty it was forty eight at the time, 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.760 and it was so hard to do. I was like, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.320 that's definitely the last one. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.160 Yeah, I liked what I read about you. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.520 About you so skateboarding, you were kind of it was 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.080 like very hot during a certain period of time, and 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.320 then it kind of dulled a little bit. Then it 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.640 blew up again when your video game came out, and 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.360 that's how a lot of people were introduced back into 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.599 skateboarding and it became hot again. So what was tell 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.960 me about that, And you had a hand in your 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.120 video game, I'm assuming, Oh, no, I was. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.320 I was very much involved. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:30.120 Yeah. 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.839 I think there was a perfect storm of events happening. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.000 At the time. Skating was in a lull of popularity, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.400 it was still progressing, and there was still obviously very 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.839 passionate people doing it, but all the parks were closed. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.520 It was more like a street element, street culture thing. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.960 And then the X games came around in ninety five. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:54.280 They built up some momentum for skating, and then our 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.000 video game was released in nineteen ninety nine. We had 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.279 worked on it for nearly two years up to that point, 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.800 and it was kind of like skateboarding was hitting Astride 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.359 the video game hit, and then that was the tipping point, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.560 and then skating was just kind of in the mainstream. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.200 Talk to me a little bit about recently. Didn't you 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.440 have a you broke your femur, right, I did. How 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:13.960 was that during skateboarding? 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.920 I was during skateboarding, yes, uh. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.920 And that was more recent. That was like a year 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:20.400 or always. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:21.920 That was last March. Yeah. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.160 First of all, let's talk about mental health during an injury, 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.120 because especially when you're an athlete, I want to talk 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.400 about being an athlete and your mental health space transitioning 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.440 kind of out of being at the top of your game, 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.760 meaning your youth, and what that does because you have children. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.400 I know you have children who and one of them 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.200 is a pro skateboarder, correct, So talk to me about 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.600 what that is like a let's start from transitioning out 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.480 of your career, because you, I mean, there is no 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.360 one who's more famous for skateboarding than you are. 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.960 And so what did that feel like. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.440 When you say transitioning out of being at the top 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.320 of your game. That was a very hard and fast 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.320 transition for me because I felt like I was still 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:04.520 skating up to my potential at that time. And then 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.280 I fucked around and found out, like I, you know, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.320 that was it. I was doing a trick that I 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.880 had done thousands of times. I didn't have enough speed 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.200 or I didn't have the usual amount of speed. I 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.080 came down on the ramp sooner than expected and just 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:21.920 couldn't adjust for it. And this thing, I know, my 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.240 leg is pointing the other direction. And the recovery for 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.280 that was very difficult. I've actually had sort of a 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.640 failed round of recovery because I got back on my 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.760 skateboard too soon, so I had to have surgery again 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.640 about eight months later. And ever since then, I've been 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:44.600 humbled in terms of what I expect of my skating, 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.160 what I expect of myself, what it means to be 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.520 a professional, what it means to be even relevant on 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.280 a skateboard, and I've definitely toned down all my expectations 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.160 since then and just happy to be skating again. So 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.280 mentally it was it was really difficult for me because 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.120 I felt like that was my identity, even though I 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.000 have a lot of other things that I do, and 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.760 I advocate for skating and public skate parks and the like, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.559 but I was always wrapped up in walking the walk, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.880 and when that was taken away from me for my 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.120 own fault, I had to wrestle with all that. And 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.679 I've come to a place where I'm just glad to 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.160 be able to do it at all and it doesn't 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.079 have to be at that level, but I did it 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.240 at that level for so long that it was it 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:28.480 was very difficult to let go of. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.719 Yeah, I find it fascinating with athletes, you know, when 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.199 they retire, when they have to kind of transition out 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.040 of their sport because of age and because of their 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.960 body just isn't willing to cooperate anymore. What that must 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.880 what that must mean for them, Because I know how 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.040 much irrelevancy I get from work, you know, and if 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.040 someone said, oh you can't you know, you're not allowed to. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.840 Talk anymore, or what, I don't know how I would 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:50.800 compute that. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:52.920 Now, is that something you dealt with, like on your 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.600 own did you deal with did you have to go 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:55.360 to therapy for this? 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:00.000 I do see a therapists regularly, and he definitely helped 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:05.440 with giving me that perspective. My wife was really the 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.480 one who was the most helpful, because she's the one 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.120 who gives it to me straight and is like, look, 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.439 you represent more than just riding your skateboard, and you 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.600 should embrace that more and be thankful for that and 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.400 lean into it. And she's right. And so when I go, like, 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.840 for instance, if I go to do a skate exhibition, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.079 now I am not so hyper fixated on my own performance. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.240 I'm just soaked to be in the mix. Yeah, and 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.280 I'm happy that people want to see me even so, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.480 I've lowered my expectation and it's more enjoyable that way. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.040 I think that's what it is. I was always so 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.800 driven and so motivated to do the absolute best I 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.960 could possibly do that I lost sight of just the 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.800 enjoyment of the act of it and the scenarios where 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:53.960 I get to be like I get to travel the 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.000 world and ride my skateboard and people pay me to 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.520 do that that's just wild. I'm fifty five. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:00.000 I know it's crazy. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.920 It's crazy that you're still skateboarding at fifty five years old. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.959 I mean, hopefully that's a new norm that people will, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:06.920 you know, be able to. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.760 I'm the guinea pig for how far you can try everybody. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.240 But I think what you're describing is missing gratitude for 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:12.960 what you're doing in the. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.000 First place, right, Yes, absolutely. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.440 In place of the competitive spirit become you become like 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.520 a little bit more spiritually awake and aligned and realize 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.600 how grateful you should be to be here in the 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.400 first place, with everything you've accomplished, right, and then you're 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.199 able to kind of show up in a different way. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.199 Yeah, absolutely, and take it in more, you know, because 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.839 it's more just swallowing your pride and realizing, look, you're 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.319 not gonna you're not going to be killing it, you're 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.199 not the best out there, and have fun. And I'm 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:45.480 learning to have a lot more fun. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.040 And so how are you with your son that is 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.360 a pro skateboarder, Like, how do you guide him? 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:52.240 Shall I say? 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.760 And instill in him some of the things that maybe 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.160 you wished you had known or learned at that time. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.280 I think I just help him to navigate the business 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.360 aspects of it more. He really has his own flare, 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.640 his own style, and he's very creative and he's always 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.360 motivated to do new things. So that I feel like 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.160 is something that was just more inherent to him. But 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.600 in terms of making good business moves and what will 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.680 resonate more, what will have more long term effect for him, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.880 are the things that he needs help with. And but 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.680 I trust his sensibilities and so I think he just 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.280 sees me as sort of Okay, that's one way to 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:37.240 do it, and I can grab parts from that. It's 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.320 a little bit more challenging for him because he's not 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.720 on social media anymore because that was really messing with 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:47.720 his mental health. And he is engaged to Francis Bean Cobaine, 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.760 so that there was a lot of scrutiny for them, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.320 and so they both bounced from social media just for 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:54.720 their own their own health. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.560 Oh cheez, I can only imagine, Oh my god, And 0:12:58.600 --> 0:12:59.640 are they still engaged? 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:00.600 Do you get married? 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.400 Oh oh fantastic, Great, that's a success. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.480 Then get away from social media if you want to 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.120 salvage your relationship, I mean, and many other things. So 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.480 since this is kind of like sort of a sensitive 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.439 it's not a sensitive podcast, but you know, we try 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.880 and talk about meaningful things. I would love to hear 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.560 from you about yourself, Like, what are the things that 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.559 you've learned about yourself since you've had to discover this 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.319 kind of different style of life where it was skateboarding 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.760 isn't necessarily at the center all the time. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.120 What are the things that you like that you've learned 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:32.880 about yourself. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:39.880 I think that I'm good at more domestic routines better 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.200 than I thought I was, and a good parent in 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:47.360 terms of being available, being supportive, always being ready to 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:52.160 drive wherever and whenever, and so I think those things 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.319 I knew I was good at them, but they were 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.079 but I was always just home for a couple of 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.839 days and doing these things and then off on tour 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.720 and whatnot. So it was hard to keep that balance. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.800 And I think that I have a much healthier sense 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:08.400 of that balance. And I know that my kids can 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.560 turn to me and I will be available to them 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:12.080 at any given time. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.600 Yeah, I've heard a lot of really famous men talk 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.679 about this. I heard something Bruce Springsteen said, and then 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:19.640 there was another. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.600 Maybe it was Dave Grohl. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.400 There and then there was another man who's talking about 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.320 they were only really tested to do the domestic aspects 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.000 of their life or participate in the domestic aspects of 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:30.360 their life. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.640 When their wife was like, listen, you're going to miss 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:33.120 all of this. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.320 Either participate in this, be up in the mornings that's 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.360 when they're at their best, or you've got to be 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.040 doing the school runs. You've got to be with them 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.160 when it's not the thing to be with them, like 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.760 when it's not an event in the real life moments. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.120 And the benefit that that. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.040 Seems to have on men is just it's really a 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:50.840 beautiful thing. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.120 Yeah, I think so. I think that I was doing 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.880 those things, but I was doing them in pockets and 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.080 not in a truly long assistance since, like I said, 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:03.920 because I was a home here and there and then 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.480 then not. But then now I have made a much 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.680 more concerted effort to be home for long stretches at 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.080 a time. So there is that consistency, and it's it's great, 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.160 you know. It's it's exhausting, just like anything any parenting 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.720 would be. And I feel for the moms that are 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.760 doing it alone. But it's it's it's rewarding, it's the 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:23.520 most rewarding thing. 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:24.760 I believe you. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.320 I believe when people say it's rewarding, I can see 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.800 that it's rewarding. It just seems unfathobble to someone like 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.640 me who has zero children, that any person or two 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.480 people even could raise four children. It seems crazy, like 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.320 I just don't even understand how. And I'm from a 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.680 family of six children. But we were kind of left, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.560 you know, to do whatever the hell we felt like it. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.520 But we still survived and we're all working and living. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.360 So it's pretty amazing when you think about bringing that 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.160 many people into the world and then just kind of 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:58.400 ushering them through life. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:03.000 Right, it is, but you get better at it. So unfortunately, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.920 your first one or two kids, you know, they're sort 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.040 of the tests for how it's going to go, right, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.040 but everyone knows that that's how it goes, and you know, 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.360 sometimes they become the caretakers of sorts. But I agree 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.080 with you. We actually my wife in between us, we 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.480 have six oh and so there were years where it 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.680 was like four kids in school mode but going to 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:32.400 different schools, and that got very challenging, but you figure 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.560 it out. It's hard when you see it from a 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.200 different perspective, and the most rewarding thing is when you 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.080 see them make good choices. It sounds cliche, but it is. 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.760 It's true, Like you see that you've given them at 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.520 least a sense of values and the tools to make 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.520 a good decision in a challenging time. Yeah. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.320 I always am very surprised by my nieces who always 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.880 show extraordinary strength and like their philosophy on life. I'm like, 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.520 or they know how to make a decision. I'm like, 0:16:58.560 --> 0:16:59.880 how did you know that? I didn't know that at 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.160 that age. It's like kids, Kids are smarter from social 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.280 media and dummer from social media, but also smarter just 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.639 because of evolution, right, everybody keeps getting smarter. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.400 It seems like I know that you open like nine 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:13.880 hundred skate parks? Is that right? 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.440 Through our foundation we've helped to you know, we've helped 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.520 to open I think over seven or eight hundred now 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:20.800 with a lot more in the works. 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:25.720 That's incredible in lower sociate economic neighborhoods, right. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.640 Yeah, just underserved areas. It all started with the idea 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.439 that it was like around two thousand and two, I 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:37.320 believe skating was really starting to explode and there were 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.520 very few facilities and I saw that firsthand, and I 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.240