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Speaker 2: Hey, Joky, I'm really sure it's dead.

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Speaker 1: He's coming this way. Wait a minute, he said, I

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Speaker 1: nandas pease.

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Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted by

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Speaker 2: Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that

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Speaker 2: I like about the para normal.

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Speaker 1: I've joined this.

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Speaker 2: Week by a dear friend of mine, Zach Noey Towers,

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Speaker 2: a hilarious comedian that I have had the pleasure of

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Speaker 2: traveling the world with doing comedy. We get into some

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Speaker 2: interesting conversation about manifesting and manifesting ghosts, and you don't

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Speaker 2: want to miss this. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 2: just a little friendly reminder that I will be doing

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Speaker 2: my live show in Los Angeles the fifth of March.

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Speaker 2: Get those tickets. It's a big old theater. We got

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Speaker 2: tickets for everyone, so come on down. I'll have some

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Speaker 2: celebrity guests. We'll be talking about ghosts. Who knows, we

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Speaker 2: might even see a ghost, So make sure you get

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Speaker 2: those tickets at largodshla dot com. You could also just

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Speaker 2: google Largo at the Coronet, or just go to the

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Speaker 2: link in my bio on Instagram at Roz Hernandez. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I've got a story here in my email. This one

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Speaker 2: comes from Alma Alma Rights. Some years ago, my family

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Speaker 2: and I went down to Rosa Retaumaxa cow to spend

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Speaker 2: Anyhow, we rented a huge house a block from the

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Speaker 2: beach that had all the lias upstairs, along with one

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Speaker 2: sister and I stayed up when everyone went to bed

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Speaker 2: to watch a scary movie. We didn't have many options,

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Speaker 2: so we went with watching a haunting in Connecticut. Ooh,

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Speaker 2: that's a good real story. I got to cover that

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Speaker 2: one of these days with the guests on the show.

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Speaker 2: Back to the story, So before we started, we went around,

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Speaker 2: turned off all the lights, closed all the shutters, and

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Speaker 2: I guess this is like the TV show documentary thing. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I remember this from the early two thousands. I think

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Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about here. Okay, so it says

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Speaker 2: the episode we were watching was about a ghost haunting

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Speaker 1: Talking to a little girl.

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Speaker 2: There was a moment when the ghost and the show

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Speaker 2: We turned off the TV, had to muster the courage

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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about anyway, Guys, let's talk to someone funny.

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Speaker 2: Here's me with zach Newey Towers and with the show.

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Speaker 2: Please welcome to the show, The Hilarious zach Ney Towers.

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Speaker 2: It's me, Hi Roz. You stunning, stunning friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm great.

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Speaker 3: Like I mentioned before we hit record, I'm so excited

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Speaker 3: that we're doing another cruise together. Yes, like you were

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Speaker 3: such a bright light for my Italian or my Meta

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny is like I haven't really talked

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Speaker 2: We were the comedians and we went to Italy into

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Speaker 2: a Bifa, And then this weekend we're going on one

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, We're gon have so much fun.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have a great time, you and I. But

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Speaker 2: I've never really gotten to sit down and talk to

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Speaker 1: Do you believe? I do believe.

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Speaker 1: No one's allowed to be different than me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, or like it's so funny, like people who

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Speaker 3: never do stand up. I'm like, really, like, you could

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Speaker 3: Be like, honey, that has not stopped any of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so is this your motivational speaker era.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm so balls deep in woo woo TikTok

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Speaker 3: For a few years now, it's kept me on a

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Speaker 2: You know what I keep thinking about is like a

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Speaker 1: That's called frogging, right, Is that what they call it? Frogging?

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Speaker 1: No, I am so scared that that's what's happening to me.

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Speaker 3: Do you have an eighteen bedroom home that I don't

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Speaker 1: But it's counting. It's no big deal. No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: But it's because my heater. I've been having my heater

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Speaker 2: Oh no, like literally just throwing shit in there. And

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Speaker 1: Ross. That's not good. That's not good for your mind.

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Speaker 2: You're totally right, but it's a whole situation with throwing

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah you are. Oh my god, I've never met

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Speaker 3: Say, yeah, I'm the opposite in my old age.

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Speaker 1: I'm like a get rid of her.

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Speaker 2: Either way, hopefully there's nobody frog in froggy style in

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Speaker 1: So you're a manifestor. We have learned, which I I love.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that like the jewelry community has really

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Speaker 1: Ooh, let's light some sage.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, crystals like if I have my rose quartz,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that can be that can be dangerous though. I

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Speaker 2: have had a crystal hoarding stage of my life. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, your bit about crystals is so funny.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It is all very true. I've spent a lot of

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Speaker 3: Here a nineteen bedroom home with a roommate. You don't

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Speaker 3: Courts is supposed to be about love, and I'm rubbing

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Speaker 3: those stones all over me and nothing's been happening. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: With lots of crystals and jewelry and incense burning at

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Speaker 2: all times, I think that people have kind of rolled

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Speaker 2: their eyes at manifestation. But manifestation is also it goes,

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Speaker 2: it's along with prayers, some people call it. Yeah, a

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Speaker 2: lot of witchcraft is manifesting, which you know, all this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, no, people have always it's not

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Speaker 3: The thing is like, Okay, I'd rather still be woo

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Speaker 2: These scientists, I tell you, they had to ruin all

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: This is in Saint Louis, Saint Louis. Yes, did you.

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Speaker 1: Ever go to the Lent Mansion?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Lent Mansion is kind of like a tourist like

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Speaker 3: The Exorcists story was inspired by a Saint Louis case,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that like that was like a thing that

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Speaker 1: That's creepy. It was wild.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I will accept that as a ghost story.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about the Lent Mansion, because you know,

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Speaker 2: Right now, there's like real life dangers to going to

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Speaker 2: Back to Manifestation for a second, Okay, because there's a

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Speaker 1: Like could you just out of nowhere?

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Speaker 2: You know, we're all so used to this idea that

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Speaker 3: And like you give it power, you give it a life, right,

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Speaker 2: Right, So it's like, if you can manifest a job,

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Speaker 2: why not manifest go like, could.

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Speaker 1: You also do that? I don't know, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So this experiment.

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Speaker 2: Most of the research I got here is from a

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Speaker 2: This took place in Toronto nineteen seventy two, scary time.

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Speaker 1: So much of this good.

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Speaker 2: Paranormal stuff is from the seventies, because the seventies and

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Speaker 2: Society of Psychical Research or TSPR for short. This experiment

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Speaker 2: a former chairperson of MENSA, an accountant, a housewife, a

440
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: real housewife, of Toronto, a bookkeeper, a sociology student. All

441
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: these people they get together and they're like, let's see

442
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: if we can make a ghost. So they write a

443
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: whole backstory for who this ghost could be. They're like, okay,

444
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: his name's Philip. He's a British aristocrat in the mid

445
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: sixteen hundreds. He's married to this woman named Dorothea. But

446
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: let's make her be like this cold bitch. And he's like,

447
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: not into her that much. So then he falls in

448
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: love randomly with this woman named Margo. He talked about

449
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: living in a big old place. He had a bunch

450
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: of land. He moves the new girl, Margo into a

451
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: little house on his property so that his wife wouldn't

452
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 2: be able to find her whatever I don't know. And

453
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: then that's their little love shack where they get ba.

454
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: Then one day the wife finds Margo. She accuses her

455
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: of witchcraft, and she's like, you're stealing my man, you witch.

456
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: Let me guess you got crystals too, bitch.

457
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: And it's you, you're Margot.

458
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: And then she was burned at the stake. Now again,

459
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: this is all fake. This is all like a fake story. Okay,

460
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: Now I gotta just say this whole thing feels like

461
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 2: kind of kinky to me, Like these people like getting

462
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: together and being like, okay, let's come up with a story. Yeah,

463
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: let's come up with a story. So it's like they

464
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: used to fuck.

465
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: It's all sex. Yeah, these so like, let's make it.

466
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: Margot had big tits, and they're like okay, okay, okay,

467
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: we're losing the story here.

468
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: So whatever, this is what they come up with.

469
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: And then one of the members draws a picture of

470
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: Philip and you know kind of vision board, you know,

471
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: have the photo there, and then they tried to make

472
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: contact with them, and they would gather around a card

473
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: table and they would meditate on this story and they

474
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: would try to conjure him up. And these people did

475
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 2: this every single week for a year, and nothing happened.

476
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying some other shit was going on

477
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: in this group.

478
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 3: They were trying to conjure their own story. Yes see,

479
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 3: I think they jumped way ahead. I think they needed

480
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: to establish the story kind of like create the urban

481
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: legend or whatever or like the ghost story, and then

482
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: revisit it in like thirty years once it's had time

483
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 3: to like marinate, like you need other people to believe it.

484
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: You need to be like, oh, this is the thing

485
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: they kissed under the night she died, you know, like

486
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: they need like more history. You can't just like write

487
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: it and then like write because I think even okay,

488
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: so manifestation wise, subconsciously, I don't think any of them

489
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: would believe it because they were too close to it.

490
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: Interesting, they just.

491
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: Wrote the story so in their head they could have

492
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: the facts like wrong between the six of them, or

493
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 3: like they could be all thinking different things, or one

494
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: could be like, this is stupid, this is stupid, This

495
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: is stupid, this is stupid. You know, just there for

496
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: the check.

497
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that they paid all these people because this

498
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: is a commitment.

499
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they all.

500
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: Were, you know, people that agreed, we are not psychics

501
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: and we will be open minded. And they were like

502
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: really trying to be on the same page because yeah,

503
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 2: I think they were testing out all this stuff because

504
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: a lot of these urban legendee things like a bigfoot

505
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: or whatever. Every town has something like that. It is

506
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: a theory that that's what those things are. It's just

507
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: people tell these stories over and over again and then

508
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: before you know it, people actually start seeing it. But

509
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: it's like how long does it take? How many people

510
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: does it take? Could you just do it with a

511
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: group of people in a room?

512
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: Okay? Sure, So they were just trying to test it

513
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: all out. But here's the thing.

514
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: They did it for a year. Nothing's happening. They're doing

515
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: it like sitting in a room with the lights on.

516
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: They decide to turn the lights down again. I'm picturing

517
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: one of these like younger men in the group being

518
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: like the freaky deeky one that's.

519
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: Like, we should maybe we should have wine. Should you

520
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: want some wine?

521
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's dim the lights, Like who are these people

522
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: getting together every single week? Like sitting at a card table.

523
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: He's like, let's put the lightstone low and they're like, okay, weird.

524
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: So they do it anyway, and they kind of went back.

525
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: To the roots of this sort of a thing, which

526
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: is like Victorian spiritualism, seances, slaances.

527
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: And if you have a kid, you should name it

528
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: seance seance.

529
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: So they turned the lights down. I'm assuming they lit

530
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: candles and stuff. And that is when Philip came out

531
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: to p oh no.

532
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: So first he would wrap on the tables.

533
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: Like Lynn w Manuel Miranda exactly. My name is Philip

534
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: and I'm here to say Marco had big titties and

535
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm here to slay. So he would do one on

536
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: the table for yes and then two for no. Wow,

537
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: And they began to start to get to know them

538
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: more because they're like, Okay, we already know your backstoryes,

539
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: so like what are your thoughts on? Like they would

540
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: ask him his opinions on different things. Sure, then he

541
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: would do one for us and two for no. And

542
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: they were really like making sure there was nobody kicking

543
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: the table underneath. I actually found an interview with one

544
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: of the people that was involved, and he said that

545
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: the table would start to move and they would do

546
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: what they called a doily test, where they would put

547
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: a doily underneath their fingers and like if they were

548
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: moving it, then the doily would be moving, huh, and

549
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: it wouldn't, so it would move anyway. And they would

550
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: ask him to dim the lights and he would and

551
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: then they'd be like, Okay, put the lights back up,

552
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: and then he would do it like on command.

553
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Can you actually move the couch over there? Yes?

554
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: And I think we want to hang this piece of

555
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: art so exactly.

556
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: So one of the reasons I wanted to talk to

557
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: you about this is because we are going on this

558
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: gay cruise and you've just experienced with me that I'm

559
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: just a little too much of a lady for falling

560
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: in love with any of these beautiful gay men. Sure

561
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: that go on this cruise and there's always so many

562
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: beautiful gay men falling in love with each other, and

563
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: then I'm there alone. Would you be willing to get

564
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: together with me and try to conjure up a fill

565
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: up for me?

566
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like for you to have like a

567
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: love cruise.

568
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you and I will conjure up a ghost,

569
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: will come up with a backstory, okay, and then this

570
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: ghost will be my husband for the week.

571
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: Okay.

572
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: So you want to do it early in and I

573
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: can't tell how seriously you are, Like, I will fucking

574
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: do a say once with you.

575
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, on a cruise ship.

576
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: I can't even have been I'm too scared because there's

577
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: no escape.

578
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: But if we unleash something wait.

579
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, are you how scared are

580
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: you that we would actually bring something up from the

581
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: bottom of the ocean that like, yeah.

582
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's think about it. It's too scary. It could

583
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: be a horror movie. Or it could be a rom com.

584
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah I need content my ghost guy or my guy ghost.

585
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, let's get back to Philip. So their final experiment. Oh,

586
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: by the way, another thing that they would report happening

587
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: was a missed forming in the center of the table.

588
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did anyone taste it?

589
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: So their final experiment was in front of fifty people

590
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 2: and they filmed it and there are some clips that

591
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: you can see if you go to YouTube.

592
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: What they did was.

593
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: They were like, okay, everyone, I want you to see

594
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: what we've been working on for years. At this point,

595
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: I want to say, damn it. I didn't write this down,

596
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: but I want to say it was like ten years

597
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: that they were doing this, like every week.

598
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: It's insane. So they have these.

599
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: Fifty people there and Philip was like, all right, let's

600
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: do it. I got a crowd like. He performed right

601
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: on command and lifted up the table a half inch.

602
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean all legs were off the ground. Do we

603
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: know or was it just like they claimed that, Yes,

604
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: all of the legs were off the ground. Okay, I

605
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 2: mean a half inch. Okay, I'm gonna let him have it.

606
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him have it. I will always let

607
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: him man have a half inch if they want it,

608
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: So they never saw him materialize. That was kind of

609
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: the goal after all these years. They wanted to see

610
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: a full body apparition, and that never happened. But the

611
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: same group was able to do the exact same experiment

612
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: with a completely different fictional ghost backstory. And there's been

613
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: a lot of different groups that have done the same

614
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: kind of a thing and they've had stuff like this happen.

615
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: And there's actually two movies that were inspired by those

616
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: horror movies. There's one called The Quiet Ones and The Apparition. Okay,

617
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: I love talking about this idea because I do think

618
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: that particularly, like you were saying, like Lent Mansion, these

619
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 2: places where there's like tons of tourists coming in and

620
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: there's all these stories. Then look, sometimes when you look

621
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: a little deeper into these stories, you'll find people be

622
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: like yeah, and then there's also like this weird creature

623
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: that we see and we don't sure, like there's no reason,

624
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: you know, it's not one of the people that died here,

625
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: it's just right. And I'm always like, yeah, I think

626
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: that's that. I think it's all these people going in

627
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: there being like there's a scary ghost in here, there's

628
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: a demon in here or whatever, and it like the

629
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: demons are like, oh, we'll show you demons if you wanna.

630
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: If you wanna accuse us of being here, we'll be here.

631
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: That's what I think.

632
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's like, okay, I wonder if they've

633
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: like created like a dating app for ghosts where we're

634
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: like telling what we want and then the ghosts are like, oh,

635
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: that kind of matches my vibe. Like they're looking for

636
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: like an old colonial woman, like that's me, Like I'm

637
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: colonial like, and then they try to like see if

638
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: it's a fit.

639
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: Totally that's my vibe.

640
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: I want like a fun, nice I like nice ghosts.

641
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. I mean I'll take that over angry

642
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: ghosts any day.

643
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: Well.

644
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: I might be able to hook you up with a

645
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: ghost if you're interested. I do a little segment on

646
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: the show where I go to eBay and I find

647
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: haunted dolls.

648
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: Perfect, it's time for the.

649
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: Dolls are living?

650
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

651
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: This is a doll I found in eBay. It's not

652
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: your traditional spooky looking little girl with frizzy hair and

653
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: a doily dress. Jiha, could you throw up that photo, please, Zach,

654
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: I'd like you to meet Gordie.

655
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: Is this a queer icon haunted bear?

656
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: Yes?

657
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: It is? Love ya.

658
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: So this is a bear, a teddy bear. It has

659
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: a shirt that says love ya, and it's rainbow tied.

660
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: Die to me, It's not the scariest I've ever seen.

661
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: It's just a cute little teddy bear. It looks small too.

662
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: I literally have never been less afraid of something.

663
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: Well, there's this eBay account that I am obsessed with.

664
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 2: They sell haunted teddy bears, and they all are gay,

665
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: and they all have backstories that range from cute and

666
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: fun to some that are very dark.

667
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: I try to.

668
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: Stay away from the dark ones for the sake of

669
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: this fun show. So this is Gordy and it says, well,

670
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: actually it starts with something dark. He died in an

671
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: accident when he was twenty four. Okay, so we got

672
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: that out of the way. He came out as gay

673
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: when he was sixteen. His parents were supportive, his friends

674
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: accepted him. He often supported LGBT rights and participated in rallies, parades, fundraisers, etc.

675
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: After he graduated high school, he worked as a counselor

676
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: for LGBT teens. He felt like he was really helping

677
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: them and that he was doing something important in his life.

678
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: He also enjoys bowling, fishing, going to the movies, motorcycle, motorcycle.

679
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: It just says motorcycle, great, dirt bikes, cooking. So he's

680
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: kind of like a mask gay guy. I think sure

681
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: he's tat verse. He is a nice, positive guy, and

682
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: he will make a good companion for anyone. We have

683
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: felt his strong positive energy throughout our home. We have

684
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: heard his footsteps roaming up and down our hallways and stares.

685
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: He flickers our lights, he knocks on doors and windows.

686
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes I smell banana bread baking when I'm not making

687
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: any and Gordy told me that he loves making banana bread.

688
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: He has communica verse bottom. Maybe he has communicated so

689
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: far through making noises, electronics, feelings, feelings, pendulums, spirit boards,

690
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: and dreams. He is ready to find his new home.

691
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions.

692
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: Sure, okay.

693
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: Well, the one thing I always forget to remind people

694
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: is the theory with these is that this is a

695
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: real person that died and somehow is now inside of

696
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: this teddy bear.

697
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I unfortunately already understood that part.

698
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: That part I actually had like zero qualms with, Like

699
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 3: that makes sense to me. I don't think I love that.

700
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: Like so one account has like a bunch of these

701
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: dead gay plushies, like yes, where are they sourcing are

702
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 3: they ethically sourcing them even, like or are they going

703
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: to like gay gravestones and like putting the bear there

704
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: for a while for it to like suck up any

705
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: ghost juices and then like bringing it back Like I

706
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: just like I don't love if they are manufacturing Oh

707
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: my god, are they pulling a fillip? Are they just

708
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: making ghosts and being like, yeah, this is your ghost.

709
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: He likes banana bread and he he can deep throat,

710
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, Like what is the I want it to

711
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: be real? I want you know what, if I'm gonna

712
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 3: buy a haunted item, I want it to be the

713
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: only thing the seller.

714
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: Is selling, right right? I agree?

715
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: Like I have this ken doll. It was found at

716
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: the scene of this crime. I tried to bury it

717
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: with my my person who died. It came back I

718
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: needed away from me, Like I don't. I don't need

719
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: like this fake ass grinder profile of a plushy like

720
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: mask for mask and it's only like this Teddy Bear's

721
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: stomach picture or something like I don't need that, you know,

722
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it.

723
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: Could be a Philip thing, but that could be real,

724
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: Like it could it could really somehow make noises of

725
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: people walking in a house and banana bread smells.

726
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again they have more than just Gordy right yeah, yeah,

727
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: So fuck these people I think are businesses. I listen

728
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: as someone who does believe in these things. It feels

729
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 3: sacrilegious to me, okay, like they are taking the steam

730
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: out of the real side of it for me.

731
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: That's just for me. But maybe I'm being close minded. Yeah, hey,

732
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: can I play some ghost voices?

733
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: Yes?

734
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: I would be honored. It's time for EVP or ev please.

735
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So what I do is, so I go to

736
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: the internet. I find electronic voice phenomena, alleged recordings of

737
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: ghosts speaking. I'm gonna play you too, and I want

738
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: you to tell me what you hear, and then I'll

739
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: give you some options. The correct answer is what the

740
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 2: ghost hunters believe it is saying.

741
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: These options always sound psychotic. Every time I listen to

742
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 3: this your show, the options are always like, oh my god,

743
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: like I hope the ghost isn't saying any of those things.

744
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: But I love it.

745
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: I do not write these. It's the writers of the

746
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: show that come up with this. If I'm laughing at it,

747
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: if it's funny, it was me. But if not, if not,

748
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: it was the writers of the show.

749
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: No, I love it. I love it hitting. Okay.

750
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: So these are both from the same group, Equinox Paranormal

751
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: Research in the UK.

752
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: Equinox the most exclusive ghost collecting group.

753
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: So this is Uh, I'm not exactly sure what the

754
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: place is.

755
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: I believe it's a.

756
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 2: House and it is an ellend UK And uh.

757
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: What is the first voice here saying.

758
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: You do it again? I want to touch myself where

759
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: I think about you?

760
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: You know that's not exactly what they believed it said, Okay,

761
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: hit me you with the options?

762
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: Okay?

763
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: Did they think it was a here's a warning, you

764
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: touchy bitch?

765
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: The word touch though touch? I heard touch? Is it B?

766
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: I have work, you lazy mess? Is it C?

767
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: I have no worries you touching this?

768
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: Does that mean that was the writers.

769
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: Or is it D I'm the one who took the tits.

770
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: See.

771
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: That's one of those answers where I'm like, oh my god,

772
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: it's such an incriminating statement for a ghost to say.

773
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say a still, Are you sure.

774
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 2: You don't think it is I'm the one who took

775
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: the tits. I don't even know what that means. No,

776
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 2: they believe it is. C I have no worries you

777
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: touching this. I don't even know what that means, but

778
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: that's what they believe it says, and I can hear it. Wait, wait,

779
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: let's do it again. I have no worries you touching this.

780
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: Oh wow, it's crazy when you hear that with the prompt,

781
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it does some only kind of like that.

782
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, here's the next one, same place. It sounds

783
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 2: like the same ghost. Yeah, okay, wait a second, let's

784
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: do it again.

785
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: God, that almost sounded like it was like in tongues. Yeah,

786
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: it seems like they're talking quick. Do you have any guess?

787
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Is this okay? If you don't know something, maybe like

788
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: ride on the ride, on the hay ride, right on

789
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: the hay ride. Shut up.

790
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: It's better than some of the writer's answers. Oh, I'm

791
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: sorry it took my tits. That's what I think it's saying.

792
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: My tits are gone, Oh my god, I'm ghost tits.

793
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: Well, I need to hear it one more time. Welcome

794
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: to the sky Ranch, motherfucker.

795
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: Ooh, Welcome to the sky Ranch, motherfucker. No, is it

796
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: a Joe Biden? Is not the one?

797
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Is it b I'll knock you out? Is it C?

798
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you looking at? Or is it D?

799
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: I want some fries at this Arby's?

800
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: Okay? So wait? Is the fourth one?

801
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: Always like a tits slash Arby's slash silly? It's always

802
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: either tits or Arby's. I'm sorry, that's basically all I

803
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: care about. Okay, here we go.

804
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: Did one say I'll knock you out? Is that one

805
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: of the ones? Yes, I'll do that one.

806
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: That is what they believe. But I hear a little

807
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: bit of stuff before that. I think it says, you

808
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: want to fight, I'll knock you out. Wait, here we go.

809
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: Listen to that, But then he says to me after that,

810
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: then you want to fight, you want to fight, I'll

811
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: knock you out?

812
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: And this and this Arby's in this tit, Arby's in

813
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: this Arby Tits in these curly fried tits.

814
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 2: Okay, last thing, let's just hear some of your thoughts

815
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: on different things that people consider to be paranormal, or

816
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: at least part of this conversation.

817
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: Sure, what do you think about horoscopes?

818
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: I am a libra. Same, Yes, everything I've heard about

819
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: libras resonates with I do fear that horoscopes are kind

820
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: of designed to resonate with everyone. I don't know if

821
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: I believe it to the day, though, I will say

822
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: I had my birth chart read and it was very

823
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: very very very very very accurate. Yeah, the way the

824
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: person read it to me. So you know, I'm gonna

825
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: let horoscopes keep existing.

826
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: But do you put any like emphasis or anything into

827
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: those or no?

828
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: I go, huh, that's interesting, right, or I go, oh,

829
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: maybe that was that It's something I look back on,

830
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 3: not forward on.

831
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I feel like the only time I

832
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: put a lot on them is when I'm really like

833
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 2: struggling or something where I'm like should I do this

834
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: thing or should like That's the same time I go

835
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: to psychics is when I'm just like, I'm going crazy

836
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: thinking about this and I need some confirmation to make

837
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: me better sure about whatever the decision is or whatever

838
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: is going on in my life, or if I like,

839
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: auditioned for something, and then I see the horoscope and

840
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: it's like great things are in your future, and I'm.

841
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: Like, oh, it knows. I auditioned. I'm gonna get it.

842
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 3: Today is the day, You're like, I should buy the car.

843
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: Today is the day exactly.

844
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: What about psychics? Have you been to one? I don't

845
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: think I have. I don't think I have. Wow.

846
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: Maybe when I was drunk and it was like a

847
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: venice boardwalk thing, okay, and it was very like, God,

848
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: I got a psychic, I said, you know, and I

849
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: don't know what they told me.

850
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was accurate. Okay.

851
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is a ploy that some

852
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: psychics do, but I'll never forget. I was probably like

853
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: twenty three and I was standing on the side of

854
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: the street with my friend. We were waiting across the

855
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: intersection and this like truck went through the intersection, pulled over,

856
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: and this woman got out of the car, ran up

857
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: to me and she gave me her car and she's like,

858
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: you have one of the brightest lights I've ever seen.

859
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: I would love to do a reading with you sometime.

860
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: And I didn't follow up.

861
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, thanks, that's when you go if

862
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: it's so bright and something you would love to do

863
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: so much, you can't do it for free?

864
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: You know it? Right? Yeah?

865
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: Well I didn't even ask about money, Honestly, I just

866
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: took it as a compliment that I was, like, she

867
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: probably just wants step back me. Oh yeah, sure, Like

868
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 3: I was such a dumb twink.

869
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: She's obsessed with me. She's obsessed with me.

870
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: That's when I would pull out my pepper spray. Anytime

871
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: somebody runs at me, I grab my pepper spray. Okay,

872
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: what do you think about curses? Do you think that

873
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: that's like a real thing. You can put a curse

874
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Speaker 2: on someone or some people are cursed?

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Speaker 1: Ooh okay, so yes and no.

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Speaker 3: I believe that curses are self appointed via karma. Like

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Speaker 3: I take solace knowing that, like when someone wrongs me,

878
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: or when someone flat out does something kind of evil,

879
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: that either they're already experiencing a lesser life or they

880
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: will get their come upance. I don't think I could

881
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: decide today to curse you for no reason and the

882
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: bad stuff would start to happen to you. I don't

883
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: think of myself as that powerful, but I do think

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00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 3: that you can curse yourself or you can like live

885
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: a cursed life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that works for me. Okay, what about deja

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Speaker 2: vu or like synchronicities?

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Speaker 1: Okay, synchronosities? I love.

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00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 3: Deja vu was once Okay, this is the thing. I've

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00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: read about four books of my life. I've seen about

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00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: six point two million tiktoks. I don't know where I

892
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: got the information I'm about to tell you this.

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00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: From, but.

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Speaker 3: I heard that deja vu is simply you have long

895
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: term memory and short term memory, and when you absorb something,

896
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: your mind accidentally places it in the long term memory

897
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: instead of the short term memory, so you immediately call

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00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: it up as having already happened. You're like, oh I

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00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: remember this, like this is like from my past. Huh Okay,

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00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 3: but again that was either from a well researched science

901
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: book or a thirteen year old on TikTok that happened

902
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: to just like fool me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's not fun for me. I'd rather think that it's like,

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00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm that's a raven.

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Speaker 3: So also, jjvu, I don't love because I don't feel

907
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: very powerful in that moment. I feel actually kind of

908
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: helpless where I'm like, oh, this has already happened, do.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: Oh?

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00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: Okay, but synchronicities, I have a really great one if

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Speaker 3: we have like one minute.

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00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 1: Yes, my favorite kinds of stories. Yes.

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00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: So I had a friend in from the UK. They're

915
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: staying with me, and me and him and my sister

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00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: and her college friend were going to Sinespia, which is

917
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: movies in the cemetery that night. But I was busy

918
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: during the day, so I literally dropped him off at

919
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Speaker 3: this part because he was gonna like read and like, uh,

920
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Speaker 3: just like walk around and stuff, while I was like

921
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: I had an audition or something like that. So I

922
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Speaker 3: go to the edition blah blah blah, pick him up,

923
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 3: and he was like he met this really cute guy

924
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: there and they exchanged numbers and they were texting. He

925
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 3: was like it was really weird, you know, we just

926
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Speaker 3: like past each other kind of looked back and then

927
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: like it was really like cute and like, I really

928
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Speaker 3: I like him. I'm gonna try to see him if

929
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: I can while I'm here. And then cut too. We

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00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: go to Sinespia that night and the guy was my

931
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Speaker 3: sister's friend. Oh so we literally me and him walked

932
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: up to my sister and her college friend and they

933
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: were like, hey, it's you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't that crazy? So what happened with them?

935
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Speaker 3: It didn't pan out because hashtag gay probably, but uh,

936
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Speaker 3: I mean he was going back. I think they did,

937
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: like maybe get like coffee that week, and it just

938
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Speaker 3: wasn't like a fit fit.

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Speaker 1: But like, to me, that's wild. I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's like the same city.

941
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Speaker 3: Obviously there's a chance that that could happen because it happened,

942
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: but like my sister, I live on different parts of town.

943
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: Like, there's like no real reason that is wild.

944
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Speaker 2: Wait, you know what this reminds me of that concerns

945
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: you kind of remember the man that ended up being

946
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: my short term husband in Italy.

947
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

948
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: So basically what happened was I was on a dating

949
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Speaker 2: app in Naples and I found him and we talked

950
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: a little bit, and then I was like whatever, because

951
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: then we left Naples and then we went to Rome

952
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: and I went on a different dating app and I

953
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: found him there. He was in Naples visiting his family,

954
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Speaker 2: and then he lives in Rome.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's kind of kismet. If I know what

956
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: that word means. You know it sounds right you kissed

957
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: when you met?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

959
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: Well yeah, So if you're listening to this.

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00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: Please text me back because we haven't talked in a

961
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I've been left on red wait but

962
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: you made it till a couple of weeks ago. That's long. Ow.

963
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: We FaceTime still frequently.

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Speaker 2: Well, well not frequently anyway, Zach, thanks for doing this.

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00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thanks for When I got the call,

966
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 3: I was I was floored. I was honored. I mean hello, yeah, yeah,

967
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: so you owe me now, thanks for doing this. You're amazing.

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00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: And tell people where they can listen to your show.

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00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I have a sex show on Netflix's a

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Speaker 3: joke radio on Serious XM. It's called After Hours with

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Speaker 3: Zach Noe Towers. You can get episodes wherever you find

972
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Speaker 3: your podcast, like after It's on Serious for a minute.

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Speaker 3: They put it on like Apple and Spotify and stuff. Also,

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Speaker 3: we're doing a live version of the show for the

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Speaker 3: Netflix is a joke festival here in Los Angeles. It's

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Speaker 3: may sewid at Dynasty Typewriter. But if you're listening to

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Speaker 3: this in the year twenty forty seven, come visit my

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Speaker 3: grave and leave a stuff bear there.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, thanks for doing this anytime. Love ya, love you.

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00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: That's what your shirt will say and your stuff bear

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Speaker 1: love you, love ya.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to zach Noe Towers, Oh love

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Speaker 2: them so much, and I love you so Thank you

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Speaker 2: for listening. Please tell your friends about the show, and

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Speaker 2: don't forget to come to my live show, which will

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead.

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Speaker 2: But if I didn't have you to haunt me, don't

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Speaker 2: haunt me. Hey by, this has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 2: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I

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Speaker 2: read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you.

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Speaker 2: My senior producer is the Startling Jiha Lee.

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Speaker 1: Associate producer is.

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Speaker 2: The alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound

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Speaker 2: designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is

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Speaker 2: the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair

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Speaker 2: raising Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the

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Speaker 2: spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 2: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the

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