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Speaker 1: Okay, Happy Monday. Welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I have a fascinating guest today that I think you're

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Speaker 1: going to be very interested in hearing from. It's Democratic

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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett from Dallas. My guess is, if you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard an interview of her then, and you've only

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Speaker 1: seen clips, you may have drawn a conclusion about her

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Speaker 1: based on snippets, based on social media, based on a TikTok,

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Speaker 1: based on this. Well, here's what you're going to get today.

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Speaker 1: You're going to get forty plus minutes getting to know

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Speaker 1: the congresswoman. This isn't going to be short snippets and

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Speaker 1: sound bites and all of that. And I just have

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Speaker 1: a feeling that if you have not had spent a

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Speaker 1: long time listening to her and just have a sort

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Speaker 1: of quick take hot take about her, after you listen

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Speaker 1: to this interview, you will follow those hot takes where

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Speaker 1: they belong, which is probably somewhere in the garbage. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: The point is, I think you'll learn a lot and

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Speaker 1: listen to the conversation through the premise, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to have a couple of conversations over the next week

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Speaker 1: about this because she's making one recommendation of how Democrats

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Speaker 1: should deal with this current moment. I'm gonna row conna on.

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Speaker 1: He's going to make another He's going to have another take.

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Speaker 1: You've heard other Democrats make their take, and that's there.

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Speaker 1: Really is an interesting debate that is happening. You're going

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Speaker 1: to see it, I think over the next couple of years,

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Speaker 1: frankly through in the run up to the eventual actual

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Speaker 1: start of the presidential primary campaign on the Democratic side.

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Speaker 1: But of just what tactic is better. Do you need

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Speaker 1: to be Trump light, do you need to be a

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Speaker 1: bit hot if you will on social media? Or is

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Speaker 1: this a time to actually zag just as Trump is zigging.

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Speaker 1: But before I get to that, I think we should

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Speaker 1: talk about the week ahead that we're going to have

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Speaker 1: in politics and where the news is going to be made.

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Speaker 1: President Trump is going overseas. It's his first official overseas trip.

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Speaker 1: Even though he actually took one to the Pope's funeral,

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Speaker 1: that was an unplanned This was the plan, and just

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Speaker 1: like he did in his first term, he decided to

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Speaker 1: make Saudi Arabia his first stop and the relationship that

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Speaker 1: he has developed with Saudi Arabia and UAE and Qatar

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Speaker 1: is quite close, and he's, let's just be honest, he's

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Speaker 1: blurring the lines between public and private in a way

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Speaker 1: that that that it's it's not even subtle, right, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's so it's so blatant. But I think at

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Speaker 1: the heart of what you're going to see this week,

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Speaker 1: and the shiny metal object of the week is going

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Speaker 1: to be the news that was broken over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: And we had already gotten hints of this, and that

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Speaker 1: is the the fact that the President of the United

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Speaker 1: States is about to accept the largest gift that any

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Speaker 1: entity has ever given the United States. And what if

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Speaker 1: I told you that this gift was coming from the

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Speaker 1: chief patron of the terrorist organization known as Hamas. You

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Speaker 1: remember Hamas. This is the group behind the killing and

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Speaker 1: kidnapping of Israelis and Americans on October seventh. This is

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Speaker 1: a terrorist organization that has the blood of Americans on

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Speaker 1: their hands, the blood of Israelis on their hands, the

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Speaker 1: blood of other Palestinians on their hands. This is not

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Speaker 1: a good group of people, Okay. Hamas is a bad

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Speaker 1: organization and their chief protector is the government of Qatar.

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Speaker 1: And what is the government of Kantar about to do.

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Speaker 1: It's about to gift Donald Trump a plane, a seven

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Speaker 1: forty seven. And Donald Trump, it's considered it's so ornate

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Speaker 1: that it's called a palace in the sky. So Donald trum,

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Speaker 1: what's to accept this gift? He toured He sort of

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Speaker 1: kicked the tires on this plane down in Palm Beach

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Speaker 1: when it was parked there. It was just sort of

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Speaker 1: showing it off to him, and he got to tour it. Look,

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Speaker 1: there is an actual clause in the Constitution, the Emoluments Clause,

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Speaker 1: that makes foreign gifts like this personally taking it illegal. Now, technically,

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Speaker 1: the Trump government is saying that this is a gift

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Speaker 1: to the US Air Force and that it'll eventually end

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Speaker 1: up as a gift to the Trump Presidential Library. And

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Speaker 1: so since it is not being given to an individual

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Speaker 1: and it is not connected to any specific act, that

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Speaker 1: somehow this is not bribery and that somehow this is constitutional. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So meanwhile, I'm about to sell you some land in

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Speaker 1: the Everglade Swamp. If you'd like to buy that great land,

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Speaker 1: trust me, you should be able to develop on it

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Speaker 1: quite easily. Look, this is as corrupt of a bargain

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Speaker 1: that it's it's hard to keep up with the amount

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Speaker 1: of blatant corruption that has taken place in just the

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Speaker 1: first one hundred and twenty so days. Right, this trip

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Speaker 1: was preceded by the way this trip to the Middle

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Speaker 1: sons going there doing some various business deals, including in

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Speaker 1: the crypto space, in some ways laying the groundwork for

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Speaker 1: the quote official presidential visit. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the White House is actually signaling that, hey, this isn't

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Speaker 1: a big national security visit, this isn't about Iran or

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Speaker 1: the future of gods or anything like that, that this

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Speaker 1: really is more of a business trip. Now they're claiming

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Speaker 1: it's the business of you know, Gulf States doing business

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Speaker 1: with the United States and with American businesses. And there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a big event on the thirteenth, on

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Speaker 1: in order to essentially connect American businesses with potentially with

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Speaker 1: Saudi money. And look, Saudi Arabia is an ally, right,

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Speaker 1: they're an ally. We can have the conversation about whether

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, Ua, and Qatar. Whether these countries are small,

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Speaker 1: d democratic, here's a clue they're not. But certainly they

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Speaker 1: have things we need, including access to energy. Right, this

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Speaker 1: has always been a very transactional relationship that we've had

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Speaker 1: with them. But what Donald Trump is doing it by

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Speaker 1: personalizing this relationship. And there's already so many uncomfortable aspects

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Speaker 1: that came from the Middle East in and around the

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Speaker 1: deals he was doing for the so called Abraham Accords.

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Speaker 1: Steve Manushan when he was Treasury Secretary, as he was leaving,

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Speaker 1: his own private equity money that he now manages there

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Speaker 1: in the Gulf States. And now you've got the President

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Speaker 1: the United States just blatantly accepting this plane. Now look

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Speaker 1: the plane itself. There is no possibility this is legal.

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Speaker 1: But the irity is that the White House is claiming

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Speaker 1: they went to the Attorney General, and they went to

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Speaker 1: the White House Council and they somehow think on a

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Speaker 1: technicality that they're getting around any constitutional problems with accepting

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Speaker 1: this gift. Whether it's legal or not, it's inappropriate. This

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Speaker 1: is a terrible look the president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: The United States of America can't afford to buy its

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Speaker 1: own presidential plane, so they need a gift of a

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Speaker 1: monarch slash dictator in the Middle East. They have to

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Speaker 1: get a plane from them. By the way, it is

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Speaker 1: awkward if if he was being gifted an air bus

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Speaker 1: in order to make it the presidential plane. But if

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Speaker 1: It's going to get essentially retrofitted with all the things

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Speaker 1: be Air Force one for the remainder of Trump's term.

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Speaker 1: Trump is frustrated because there was supposed to be a

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Speaker 1: new Air Force one. There hasn't been a new Air

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Speaker 1: be a new Air Force one. There's been delays and

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Speaker 1: it looks like Boeing because they can't deliver anything on time.

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Speaker 1: These days, Boeing is not going to be able to

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Speaker 1: deliver this until twenty twenty nine, when Donald Trump will

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Speaker 1: no longer be president. But he he needs his plane now.

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Speaker 1: I guess he stomped his feet and pounded the table.

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Speaker 1: He wants his plane. Give him his PS five, give

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Speaker 1: him his video games. Now, give him his plane right now.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I've always said with Donald Trump, if you really

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Speaker 1: want to understand his psyche, if you have a teenage boy,

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Speaker 1: like to manage Donald Trump. They want stuff instantaneously, they

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Speaker 1: can't handle no for an answer, and they're always looking

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Speaker 1: going to be seventy nine in June, so the plane

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Speaker 1: irony to this is I think Donald Trump believes he's

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Speaker 1: care about this. The elected Republicans who all were outraged

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump Junior have done this crypto business using their

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Speaker 1: father's name to do this. Never mind half the deals

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Speaker 1: overtures having to do with what the federal government, with

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Speaker 1: totally been mixed in here. If Hunter Biden were doing

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Speaker 1: But that's what the business of the Trump's are behaving.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be very curious if any Republicans are comfortable

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Speaker 1: We saw what the crypto when he did his crypto fundraiser,

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Speaker 1: And Cynthia Lummus and a few others they thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge skeptic of this. It is, you know,

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Speaker 1: ideal in baseball cards. There's no difference to me between

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Speaker 1: crypto and baseball cards. I believe in the blockchain. The

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Speaker 1: blockchain is an incredible technology, but we're not turning it

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you ever wanted to spend crypto,

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Speaker 1: You got to exchange it for the US currency. Then

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Speaker 1: it is assigned to this So it is simply just

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt there's a lot of people who have

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Speaker 1: make it work. So you add all this up there,

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Speaker 1: to quote Bob Dole from nineteen ninety six when he

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Speaker 1: was a bridge too far. I'll be curious to see

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm going to make you do one of

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Speaker 1: district in Dallas, and you know, point out a few landmarks.

431
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: You know, is the school Book Depository in your district

432
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: or not? Is SMU? I say that as a future

433
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: father of an SMU student starting next fall. So tell

434
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: me about the geographic and the and the demographic nature

435
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: of your district.

436
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: Yes, So when most people think of Dallas, it belongs

437
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: to me. Most people associate downtown Dallas and the downtown

438
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: Skyline with Dallas, and all of that is mine. But

439
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 3: basically that's pretty much as far north as I go.

440
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 3: I go a little bit further north and I get

441
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: to Dallas love Field, which for all of my Southwest lovers,

442
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 3: that is exactly where Southwest Airlines is based, along with

443
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: the JSX Airlines for those that like a little bit

444
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: more luxury or I found out that your dogs get

445
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: to fly and kind of have all the space that

446
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: they want.

447
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: Not right, Yes, I've never heard of this thereline they

448
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: let dog free.

449
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: It's I don't know, I haven't been on it, but

450
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: that's what a dog lover told me, is like they

451
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: only fly JSX now because of the space that their

452
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 3: dog is.

453
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: They don't have to put like their dog under or

454
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: in a cage or something.

455
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: I don't know.

456
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: And then you go down.

457
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 1: In your district, love field is mine, I gotcha, okay.

458
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: And then you.

459
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: Go all the way to the southern Dallas County border.

460
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: You can get from one end of my district to

461
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: the other in about thirty minutes, which there's not a

462
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: lot of members of Congress that can say that.

463
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: So that means that my district is pretty compact.

464
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 3: You get to the southern border and that kind of

465
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: ends the districts, but you start to get into suburbs.

466
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: My district is majority minority. It is a Section two district.

467
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: So for those of you that have been looking into

468
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: the fights that have been waged at the Supreme Court level,

469
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: and it's all about representation and especially people of color

470
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: being able to elect the representation. It is a very

471
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: historic district. I am only the second person to ever

472
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 3: represent the district. My predecessor was.

473
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: She got Eddie Bernie Johnson, Kirkman Farmer. Was it ninety

474
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: two her first year, Yes, yes, exactly after the voting

475
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: basically the Updated Voting Rights Act that created the Bush

476
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: the first Bush Bush forty one Justice Department in many

477
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: ways helped for a variety of political motivations, but helped

478
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: make sure there was more representation in African Americans in Congress.

479
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: And she was actually in the Senate, the last black

480
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: woman to actually serve in the Texas Senate. We've only

481
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: had two. The first one is Barbara Jordan. And so

482
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: she actually chaired the redistricting committee that ended up drawing

483
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: these maps. And then so she chaired that committee, did

484
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: that in nineteen ninety and ninety two, she ran for

485
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: the seat, won the seat, and she served until twenty

486
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: two basically, and then I swore in in twenty twenty three.

487
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: The reason that I brought up JSX and Southwest Airlines

488
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: is because I really do have an aviation rich district.

489
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: Not only do I have kind of two airlines that

490
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: are right there anchored in my district. American Airlines is

491
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: right up the street, not in my district, but they're

492
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: so big that they claim us all that is for sure.

493
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: But also air Bus, which some people are starting to

494
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: hear more about Airbus as Boeing what's having issues. Usually

495
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: if you are flying domestically on a plane, it is

496
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: typically an Airbus plane or Boeing, And so Airbus actually

497
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: has a facility that's within my district. Airbus is probably

498
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: better known for their helicopters. If you're in the aviation

499
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: kind of world, they are the ones that build pretty

500
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: much all of our life saving helicopters, whether they are

501
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: helicopters for firefighters and they're helping to fight wildfires or

502
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: whether we're talking about the coast Guard or whether we're

503
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: talking about law enforce. They specially retrofit the helicopters to be, you.

504
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: Know, specific to whichever area they're in.

505
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: So with that, I have a lot of aviation, so

506
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: I have had to learn a lot about aviation. But

507
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: one of the coolest things that I was able to

508
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: do that I think every member should be allowed to do,

509
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 3: is I was able to actually take a look of

510
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: my district from above because Airbus took me on a

511
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: helicopter ride around my district.

512
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: So what did that teach you. What did that show you?

513
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: So you know, you have people that come in and

514
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: they give you numbers or they tell you that they

515
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: have a type of industry. I could see it. So

516
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: I am a logistically heavy district, Like logistics run the world.

517
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: So beyond these kind of airplanes. These airplanes are flying

518
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: in to Dallas Love or even DFW is where a

519
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: lot of our commerce is flying into. But you know,

520
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: one of the things my predecessor worked on was an

521
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: inland port.

522
00:30:59,120 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: And now I.

523
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: Could see all the trucks. So I saw all of

524
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: these distribution centers.

525
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: Right.

526
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: I knew that Home Depot had two distribution centers in

527
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: my district and there's no other district in the country

528
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: that has to. And mind you, I'm compact, so I

529
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: was thinking, oh, I must have a lot. But JC

530
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: Penny's National distribution Center is right there in my district

531
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: and so many others. But I could see it. I

532
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: could see all of the trucking So in talking to

533
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: those that were like, I've got a number of trucking

534
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: schools and I've talked to some of the owners. So

535
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: it really kind of put it all together for me

536
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: to see it from above, and it would probably surprise

537
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: some people that I've actually ridden attractor trailer in my

538
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: district as well, So you go just into my suburbs

539
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: and you can get into a little bit of farming

540
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: as well. But it's mostly an interurban kind of district.

541
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: And so we've got some of the big corporate biggies

542
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: that are based there at and T and others.

543
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: A dating site that I won't miss it.

544
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me that the place feels like

545
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: a magnet right now, meaning people just want to move

546
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: to that region, People want to move to that area.

547
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: Do you feel that, Oh yeah, I mean listen, during COVID,

548
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: the DFW area was growing exponentially, and overall we've seen

549
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: the growth in Texas just kind of be off the charts.

550
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: They thought we were going to get four new seats

551
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: in redistricting. We feel like there may have been an undercount.

552
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: There was a little pandemic that was going on. We

553
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: got three new seats and now they're projecting for twenty

554
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: thirty they will get an additional four seats. So no,

555
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: we are growing leaps and bounds in the state of Texas.

556
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: But truly DFW has been one of those fastest growing areas.

557
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: So how'd you get to Texas? How'd you get to Dallas?

558
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: Because I know you were born and were you how

559
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: long did you live.

560
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: In Saint Louis till I was eighteen?

561
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're you're so, do you consider.

562
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: I am Lewis?

563
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, but no, I left at eighteen and that

564
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: was like, I'm like coming back and I haven't been back.

565
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: So left at eighteen.

566
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: S Lewis is a tragedy to me in so many levels.

567
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: I just I it really. I have a lot of

568
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: family there, I've been have so many I go to.

569
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: I go there all the time for various family events. Yeah,

570
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: and Saint Louis was this amazing, thriving city for you know,

571
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: essentially for the first eighty years of the twentieth century.

572
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: And it's sort of like it's like it lost every

573
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: like it lost every deal right TWA left and you

574
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: know this left and the financial age edwards left and

575
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: the just it all just and you're like, I remember

576
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: during the Amazon headquarters debate, I was like, please go

577
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: to Saint Louis, Please put it in Saint Louis. It

578
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: is we need to revise this great American city. What

579
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: would you do if you could wave a magic.

580
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: Wand I think that you're right.

581
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: I mean, even though I still would not want to

582
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: go home, I do. I think that you point out

583
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: an interesting fact because I feel like Saint Louis didn't

584
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: keep up. I feel like Saint Louis was ahead of

585
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: the curve.

586
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Right.

587
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: We had the Mississippi to the west.

588
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: It was about that was the port everything.

589
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: Went through up and down the Mississippi right, So like

590
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: this was like a bustling area, but like as far

591
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 3: as being able to kind of transition with the times

592
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: and being able to kind of keep up, I think

593
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: at one point in time it was like they were

594
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: ahead of the times, and then they got a little

595
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: bit behind. I mean, I'm glad that Anheuser Bush is

596
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 3: still right there anchored in Saint Louis.

597
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: I know, but it's really it's, you know, look the.

598
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 3: Truck they're all over because I don't know the right

599
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: there in my district in Texas, Yes, we actually have

600
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: the sixth largest beer distributor right there in my district.

601
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 3: I do lots of Vedam district too, But nevertheless, Anne

602
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: has Bush still is, you know, I mean, that's this

603
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 3: is I grew up as a girl.

604
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: Looking at the class deals.

605
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: I mean, a very big thing, but I think that

606
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: it's a lesson that we need to learn. I mean,

607
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: if I had a magic wand, I would say that

608
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: I would try to get the population in Saint Louis

609
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: educated in a future workforce capacity or a present day

610
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: workforce capacity, understanding technology understanding STEM, which also goes with

611
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: technology obviously, but I would get them focused on that

612
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: figuring out who is going to be over making sure

613
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: that we can safeguard what AI is and what it ain't.

614
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: So we need people that are trained up and knowledgeable enough.

615
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: But we'll do the good work of being government employees,

616
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: even though you could go out in private industry and

617
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: make more, but I would really steer them towards more technology.

618
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: And then even as we talk about logistics, like I

619
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: don't really know what other kind of logistical kind of

620
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: angles they have besides the actual Mississippi right.

621
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: So honestly, it's not a bad one.

622
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: I know it's not long that I'm definitely not seeing that,

623
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: But like the fact is, I'm talking to you about

624
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: my district and how many planes come through, right, Like

625
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: W is one of the.

626
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: Laws that's commerce and commerce leads to.

627
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Jobs, and that's exactly right.

628
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: So like it's kind of you know, and and when

629
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 3: I talked about those trucks, right, it's the trains, it's

630
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 3: the trucks, and it's the planes, right. And so even

631
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: though I don't have a big river coming through my district,

632
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: we are doing logistics. And logistics is so ort it

633
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: was so important because you know, traditionally we have been

634
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: a global economy. We historically have been building and building

635
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: and building out our our our trade.

636
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: You know, in a very global way.

637
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: And now I don't really know so, but I would

638
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: say building around what you have that naturally occurs and

639
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: building that up, I think it could be fantastic and phenomenal.

640
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: So I think logistics would be a very strong space.

641
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: And then from an educational space, I think just anything

642
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 3: that you could do for getting people trained up for AI,

643
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: which I think is truly taken over in this moment.

644
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: And the reason I say it's a lesson is because

645
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: I think that we are not paying attention to like

646
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: what happened to the Saint louis Is of the world,

647
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: right and deciding that we won't be that as a country.

648
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: And I think that we are running the risk of that,

649
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: especially as we're going through these mass deportations and things

650
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: like that, like not making sure or not allowing us

651
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Speaker 3: to have the best of everything that we can have.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, it's helped Detroit they took a lot

653
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Speaker 1: of immigrant populations, they took a lot of refugees. You know,

654
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Speaker 1: it's helped Minneapolis, Saint Paul, they took a lot of refugees.

655
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Speaker 1: Refugees and first gen immigrants are the building blocks of

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Speaker 1: economic dynamism within a generation.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, you're absolutely right.

658
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Speaker 3: And literally I've traveled the world on congressional delegation trips

659
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: where my colleagues speak a lot differently when we get

660
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Speaker 3: out to other portions of the world.

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Speaker 1: Don't you wish that that's the way Congress work? Those

662
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: I hear, those codels are what get members of Congress

663
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Speaker 1: to run for reelection again, meaning it sort of it

664
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Speaker 1: gives them hope. Boy, when we don't have a bunch

665
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Speaker 1: of idiot reporters like me running around shoving tape recorders

666
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Speaker 1: in your face or trying to get you to trash

667
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: each other, you guys could get some stuff done.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean they believe in climate change. When we're

669
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Speaker 3: out of the country, like it's like a whole other world.

670
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Speaker 3: When we start talking about the exchange programs, like most

671
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: people don't know, as we talk about in healthcare, healthcare

672
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 3: worker shortage that like Thailand produces like more nurses than anybody,

673
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Speaker 3: and so as we're trying to make sure that we

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Speaker 3: can take care of our population, and as there are

675
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Speaker 3: people that are looking for opportunities and they're already trained up,

676
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Speaker 3: or the fact that there's these attacks on our institutions

677
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Speaker 3: right now, well that's not helping when it comes down

678
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Speaker 3: to exchange programs and being able to take the unique

679
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Speaker 3: backgrounds that some of these amazing students have and bring

680
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: them in in a collaborative way, or when we're snatching

681
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Speaker 3: students off the streets right and throwing them into some

682
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Speaker 3: form of captivity and revoking their student visas, like that's

683
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Speaker 3: not making people want to send some of their best

684
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Speaker 3: and brightest to the institutions that historically have been looked

685
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: at as the best institutions. I can't tell you how

686
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: many times we've sat down across from whether it was

687
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Speaker 3: a Prime minister or a president or a secretary of

688
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: this or that, and they tell us that they went

689
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: over to the United States and got their education. Literally,

690
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 3: people around the world have been educated right here in

691
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Speaker 3: the United States, and people in their home countries respect that.

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Speaker 2: They look at that and it has been a badgot That's.

693
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Speaker 1: Why they're in charge, exactly because getting an American education

694
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Speaker 1: put them a little bit higher on their ladder.

695
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And I don't know that that's going

696
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Speaker 3: to be the case going forward.

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Speaker 1: So let me start with you've been in Congress a

698
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Speaker 1: short time. There's gonna be some people this is the

699
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Speaker 1: first time they've heard you for more than a few minutes,

700
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Speaker 1: meaning they may have gotten a piece of you, maybe

701
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Speaker 1: seen something go viral. When it comes to communicating in

702
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: the modern era, going viral matters, But going viral can

703
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Speaker 1: be a double edged sort. And I think you tell me,

704
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Speaker 1: I feel like you've experienced both edges of that sort

705
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Speaker 1: at times. How much of it is a necessary evil

706
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Speaker 1: in your mind, and how much of this is just, Hey,

707
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Speaker 1: this is the way it works now, and you know

708
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Speaker 1: this is the way I have to do it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think virality matters. That may not be a

710
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Speaker 3: popular opinion, but when I got elected, no one in

711
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: my district ever expected or thought that I would go viral.

712
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Speaker 3: So I don't think that it matters in the sense

713
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Speaker 3: that I think people should say, if I'm going to

714
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 3: be relevant in politics, then this is what needs to

715
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: be done. We know that one of the most unpopular

716
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 3: people in Congress, she has gone viral a lot, and

717
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: you know, when it comes down to her being able

718
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: to raise money, She's been able to raise money from

719
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Speaker 3: every crevice of kind of the country because of that,

720
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Speaker 3: and that's kind of how she's been able to build

721
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Speaker 3: a platform. But I think has huh build I don't

722
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Speaker 3: think she has, right, Like, so the things.

723
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Speaker 1: That really assume you're referring to Margie Taylor Green, I am, yeah, No,

724
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Speaker 1: I say that because I think that that's that's the

725
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Speaker 1: you know, that's usually what happens if you want to

726
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: be if you want to try to go that road,

727
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Speaker 1: you're not going to actually get stuff done on the inside.

728
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

729
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Speaker 3: I think that that that is a risk that certain

730
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Speaker 3: people run. It depends on, like for what reasons. Right, Like,

731
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Speaker 3: for instance, I was just applauding Lauren Underwood for an

732
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: exchange that she had this week with Christine Nome, and

733
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Speaker 3: you know, it went viral. I mean, it's kind of

734
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Speaker 3: everywhere where Christy Nome is kind of wavering on, you know,

735
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Speaker 3: the Constitution and whether or not you know she is

736
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Speaker 3: Secretary of the Department of Homeland, should actually like follow it, right,

737
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Speaker 3: you know. I think that there are certain things that

738
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Speaker 3: it absolutely is very important that that information gets out.

739
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Speaker 3: And for some people, if I'm being honest, like a

740
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: lot of people that may be listening in, they obviously

741
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: have time to do it. But the reality is that

742
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: the average American is trying to figure out how they're

743
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Speaker 3: going to put food on the table, a roof over

744
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: their head, clothes on their kids' backs, and so they

745
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 3: only have time for a TikTok, right Like, they only

746
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: have those little moments, And so I do think it

747
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 3: does bring value in that way. But as far as

748
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Speaker 3: being an actual member of Congress, No, I think what

749
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: matters most as a member of Congress is that you

750
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Speaker 3: sit down and you do things like what we do,

751
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: which is we send out weekly emails that are newsletters

752
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: that give you pictures of the meetings that I've taken

753
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: with uptext on what happened in those meetings. You can

754
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: see videos, video clips of meet and commit You can

755
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: see me in district if that's where I was, and

756
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: then we give out other information. We also send out mailers.

757
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: We also do what we call community like office hours,

758
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: so we go out and we don't make people necessarily

759
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: come in, so sometimes they're after hours, but they are

760
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: in other parts of our district. So we've been to

761
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: every single city multiple times, and we send out text

762
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: messages with information. I think that's what matters in Congress

763
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: because ultimately, regardless of how viral a member may or

764
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Speaker 3: may not be, at the end of the day, you

765
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: only get reelected one way, and that way is by

766
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Speaker 3: making sure that you are communicating with your district.

767
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Speaker 1: Well, I want to go in so many directions here,

768
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Speaker 1: including Texas politics, but let me start with the Oversight Committee.

769
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Speaker 1: Oh God, because no, I mean I sit there. You know. Look,

770
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Speaker 1: I'm one of those journalists who always rolls their eyes

771
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: when there's an oversight committee hearing, right, because it feels

772
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: like predictable partisan talking points, right if its depending on

773
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Speaker 1: who's you know, of one half of the questioners defending

774
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: the person being being questioned in the other half, and

775
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: then it's always like, oh whoa a member of the

776
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: same party asked a tough question right, that becomes the

777
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Speaker 1: news rather than let me ask you this. You've you've

778
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Speaker 1: watched this, now you've participated. How can we improve oversight?

779
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Speaker 1: And would it be better if there were no TV cameras?

780
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Speaker 2: It would absolutely be better if there were no cameras.

781
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that that will never happen.

782
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Speaker 1: But I know c SPAN is one of those things like, hey, look,

783
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Speaker 1: I'm a sunshine guy, but I also don't believe in

784
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Speaker 1: cameras in the courtroom. Give me audio. Give me all

785
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Speaker 1: the audio in the world. I'll take all the live

786
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Speaker 1: audio in the world. If we cameras in the courtroom

787
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Speaker 1: gives us too many Lancidos, and that's not a good thing.

788
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think though, I mean, if you've got people,

789
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Speaker 3: if you've got like a president that doesn't understand that

790
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: he took an oath to the Constitution, like to protect

791
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Speaker 3: and defend it, I don't I think you're given them

792
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: a little too much credit. Like we have people that

793
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: are elected in government and truly don't understand how it works.

794
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 3: And so in order for oversight to work the way

795
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: that it should, then it honestly would take people that

796
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 3: understand what we're supposed to be doing. For instance, today

797
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Speaker 3: I had to have a DOGE subcommittee hearing, and for

798
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Speaker 3: everybody out in the general public, when they hear DOGE,

799
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: they hear Department of Governmental Efficiency. This is all supposedly

800
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Speaker 3: about efficiency. The reason that we have had to fire

801
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: a historic number of you know, federal employees in such

802
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: a short amount of time is because it's more efficient.

803
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Speaker 3: Not true, right, like, but all of these things that

804
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: we've experienced. The reason that you know, people may not

805
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: have their life saving healthcare across you know, the ocean,

806
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: is because they had to cut off USAID because it

807
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: was efficient. Like that's what it was coined as. And

808
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 3: my hearing today was about trans people fencing. I mean

809
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: our argument was, please tell me what part of like

810
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: we read through the mission of dog as they created

811
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Speaker 3: the subcommittee, what does that have to do with anything?

812
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Speaker 2: And then they even admit it.

813
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Speaker 3: They were like, well, yeah, you know US fencing. We

814
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: know that we don't give you any money, you get

815
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Speaker 3: no federal doubts.

816
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Speaker 1: What are we doing Wait a minute, let me let

817
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: me get this straight. The US fencing team as in

818
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Speaker 1: like the little it was the sword fighting, is that

819
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about.

820
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Speaker 2: It's all about fencing.

821
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Speaker 3: This was about girls fencing and I'm trying to think

822
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Speaker 3: of the name of the I'll get you the name.

823
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Speaker 1: Of the world meaning but meaning that you know, with

824
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Speaker 1: the work mask and all this stuff.

825
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, yes, we had to have.

826
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Speaker 1: A hearing by hearing on sword fighting, like I mean.

827
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Speaker 3: So literally it's like, I mean, I hear you, right,

828
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: but like these people don't even understand and maybe they

829
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't have a hearing on.

830
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Speaker 2: That there were no cameras, like maybe like.

831
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Speaker 1: I don't, Well, that's the thing. I mean, that's that's

832
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Speaker 1: would be one of my contentions is that you take

833
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Speaker 1: away the incentive to to essentially, you know, perform for

834
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Speaker 1: a base political base. And in that case, there's no

835
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Speaker 1: doubt that's just performance, right, that's just throwing chum into

836
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: the water. Would it cut back on that, and you know,

837
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Speaker 1: I assume it would, But then again, you know, would

838
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Speaker 1: the country be even less informed about what Congress does? Right?

839
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly.

840
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Speaker 1: Let's tell let's talk about this internal I don't know

841
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: what you call it debate. This is it a generational

842
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: divide or an ideological divide inside the Democratic Party? And

843
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: are they one and the same?

844
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: I think it is more ideological. I think that.

845
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: You can find persons that absolutely believe that there needs

846
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: to be a more aggressive kind of fight in this moment,

847
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: and they're all ages, you know. And when I think

848
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: about some of you know, the strongest voices, you know,

849
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: I'm always going to say Maxine Waters is going to

850
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: be like one of the first ones who's literally gonna

851
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: call out whatever. In Maxine is like eighty six eighties.

852
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 3: I mean, she's like up there, right, And I don't

853
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: think anyone I.

854
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: Don't hear a lot of progressive saying that that either

855
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: Maxine Waters or Bernie Sanders are too old to be

856
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: talking correct.

857
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: So that's why I really don't think.

858
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Speaker 3: I think that it's more so a mindset, and I

859
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: think that they are more so concerned about kind of

860
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: those that are stuck in tradition and stuck in this

861
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: idea of the institutions while not recognizing that the institutions

862
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: are literally burning around us, right like they're like over there,

863
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: you know, they've got their water hoses. They're like nope, nope,

864
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Speaker 3: it's we're going to I vacillate.

865
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: Look, you're I'm one of these people. I vacillate between Hey,

866
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: let's let's save the institution. Verse is now let's rebuild

867
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: the institution, meaning like you know, you got to save

868
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: what's left, you got a salvage what you have, right.

869
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: And I understand that's probably an older mindset, right, one

870
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: that says, oh, I'm back in my day, I remember

871
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: this all came together, versus those that are newer to

872
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: the situation, going, what are you talking about? Like that

873
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: didn't work, That's why we're here, right.

874
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 3: So I think it's more so our issue is more

875
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: so how do you save the institution?

876
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: And what is worth salvaging?

877
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: Right? Because when you think about like a house burning,

878
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: like if there's a child or a loved one in there,

879
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: you're going to go and like, let me go get

880
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: the kid, right, Like forget the clothes, forget the pictures.

881
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 3: And I think that that's where we are. It's like

882
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: what parts of this are worth saving? Because there are

883
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: parts of this that failed us in the first place,

884
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: and frankly some of them that never worked anyway, like

885
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: never worked in a way that they worked for all

886
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: of us.

887
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest debate is like how do

888
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: you do that?

889
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: Right? I think that that is why there's the discussions

890
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: about David Hogg and his approach to it, and it's like,

891
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: do you go after you know, safe Democrats and decide

892
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: that you're going to primary them, or do you just

893
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: say never mind, like a democrat is a Democrat, go

894
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: after the Republicans because they are the ones that.

895
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: Are the arsonists of this story.

896
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: I think that like it's about how you fight that

897
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: we kind of differ, or you know, you can look,

898
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: the State of the Union is really the best example

899
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: of like how everyone sees this moment differently, right, Like

900
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: it's like we went out, we campaigned, we were like,

901
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 3: this fool is a dictator and he's going to try to.

902
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: Tear everything down.

903
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: And that was before the one hundred days, when we

904
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: literally have receipts of him doing it right. And he's

905
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 3: up there and he's given a State of the Union,

906
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: And who is it that is most disruptive a man

907
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: in his seventies. It's Al Green, someone who is of

908
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 3: the civil rights error and believes in civil disobedience.

909
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: And this horse, as the late John Lewis used to

910
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: call it, good trouble.

911
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 3: Exactly, and he believes in dealing with this completely differently.

912
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: And then you have those that sat there and didn't

913
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: do anything.

914
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: Then you have those that had the signs that everybody

915
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 3: got drove about, and then you had those of us

916
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 3: that decided that we were going to walk out right.

917
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: I think that that's the issue. I think that in

918
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: our hearts, none of us like what's going on. It's

919
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: just a matter of we cannot get on a similar

920
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: page of like what does the response look like? What

921
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: does the fight look like? And I think that's really

922
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: our bigger issue. And I think that some people believe

923
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 3: if you've been in the institution too long, that there's

924
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: no way you were willing to fight back against it.

925
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: What's your assessment of how the Democrats got into the situation.

926
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: I think it's been being too nice to be perfectly honest.

927
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember when I was in the state House,

928
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: and you know, we fled Texas and we went to

929
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: DC and we were trying to kind of ring the

930
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 3: alarms about these horrific voter suppression bills that the Heritage

931
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: Foundation dropped into Texas, dropped into Georgia, dropped into Florida.

932
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: Like they were being very strategic about making sure that

933
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: they could minimize certain voices. And so you know what,

934
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: I wish that the Democrats in the Senate would have

935
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: pushed half as hard and said, you know what, when

936
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: it comes to something foundational such as voting rights, which

937
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: we are basically taking our authority from the Constitution, there's

938
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: a car about for that right. Like they have come

939
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: up with carveouts for what they wanted to do, and

940
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: I think that that could have prevented some of it.

941
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: It's the same thing as relates to the reauthorization of

942
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 3: the Voting Rights Acts, like they now have gone in

943
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: and decimated so many of these districts because they're like,

944
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: oh well, it's like district's gone wild, right, And when

945
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: you look at our margins in the House, we lost

946
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: by three seats.

947
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: Oh, you lost by redistricting. You didn't lose it. You

948
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: lost by the Florida and the North Carolina remaps and

949
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: in New York and the inability to do the remat

950
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: in New York. No, this was all done in the

951
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: courtroom now, correct, correct.

952
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: But they had the legislation right, and they refused to

953
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: do a carveout.

954
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: So like, if we're not going to fight for our

955
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: foundational things, then I get why people are like, I'm

956
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: gonna sit at home, and I'm gonna sit on the

957
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: couch because, yeah, they may do bad, but y'all might

958
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 3: doing nothing anyway.

959
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: Right, So let me ask this, why do you think

960
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: Trump won? And why do you think he won with

961
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: some voters that were on the Blue team at least

962
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve and twenty twenty. I'm not so sure

963
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: they were there in twenty sixteen. I think they didn't

964
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: show up.

965
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to say that this was a ViBe's election,

966
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 2: and I think.

967
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: I hate that expression no offense. I don't know, but

968
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: I know vibes. This is the cranky old man in me.

969
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: You know, my gen exer. You're almost you're you're like

970
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: you you're millennial technical.

971
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: I am barely, but you're.

972
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: A little more gen x in probably how you lived.

973
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 2: Yes, So what I will say is this.

974
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: The reason that I say that is because how many

975
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: interviews have you seen where you ask people, well, why

976
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: did you vote for Trump?

977
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: They can't give you a policy, so we know.

978
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: It always felt to me it was a vote against,

979
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: not a vote for.

980
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

981
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: I definitely felt like as far as the people that

982
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: were willing to talk, I felt like it was absolutely

983
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: a vote for him, and if they talked about policies,

984
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: it still wasn't really policies. Like I remember being on

985
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: the road and talking to various men, mostly black men,

986
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: and I say what's up and they'd be like, well,

987
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: we feel like the Democratic Party is emasculating us. And

988
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: then I'd say, how so, right, Like they still weren't

989
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: talking about policy right, Like they weren't Like it's not

990
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 3: like they answered with like policy per se. The only

991
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 3: thing that they would say about quote unquote policy was

992
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: about trans vote right, And I would explain to them

993
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 3: that it's a distraction because I remember being at a

994
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 3: barbershop in Philly and talking to a guy and he

995
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: had this beautiful little daughter that was running around, and

996
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: I was.

997
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: Like, well, I mean, I hear you, and I'm not

998
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: going to.

999
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: Ask you to change how you believe about whatever you

1000
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 3: believe in that kind of stuff, But like, tell me,

1001
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 3: is that going to better your ability to say, own

1002
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: your own barbershop one day? Is that going to better

1003
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: your ability to take care of your child? And frankly,

1004
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: if you are concerned about who's playing sports, can you

1005
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: tell me which trans children go to school with your

1006
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: daughter right now? And like he was like, I mean,

1007
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm a vote for her, but those are the only

1008
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But it was kind of

1009
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: like that, And so.

1010
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: How big do you think this was there? How big

1011
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: do you think this black man voter issue with Kamala Harris?

1012
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: How much of that do you think was specific to

1013
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: hesitation of voting a black man hesitating to vote for

1014
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 1: a black woman.

1015
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: I will tell you what I was told, because I

1016
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: did think that I definitely think that there was misogyny

1017
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: in this across the board, no matter what color male

1018
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: you're talking about. I just think that you'd be an

1019
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 3: error to not like know that there was misogyny that existed.

1020
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 3: I will say this though, the very first polling briefing

1021
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 3: that we had with a polster that I trust a lot,

1022
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: he briefed the Black Caucus and he said that one

1023
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: of the issues that he was running into with black

1024
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: and brown.

1025
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: Communities was that she had been a prosecutor.

1026
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: And this was more of a resume thing that there was.

1027
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: There was definitely some resume stuff that this allowed her

1028
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 3: from being able to build the type of rapport of

1029
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: trust within these marginalized communities that historically have been targeted.

1030
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: This was a huge problem in her own campaign for

1031
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: president during the primaries, which is why she pivoted. She

1032
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: was trying to get out of that because that was

1033
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: being used by other Democratic campaigns to say, hey, you know,

1034
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: she was a prosecutor, she was black men in jail,

1035
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: and the thing is she right, which is why she

1036
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: went down the busing road with you know, she had

1037
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: to go to some places that she probably wouldn't have

1038
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: normally gone, but she felt she had to because she

1039
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: was trying to fix her own biography issues.

1040
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: So literally early numbers that we were given, and I

1041
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: promise you, I really do trust this.

1042
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: Polster said that.

1043
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: So if you think back to my DNC speech, one

1044
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 3: of the things that they actually the guidance that I

1045
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: was given was to actually lean into her being a prosecutor.

1046
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh hell, I'm like that is not helpful, right.

1047
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: And so so when I did it, I did a

1048
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: bit of a swing on it right as a criminal

1049
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: defense attorney, and I explained, like, this is the kind

1050
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: of prosecutor all would have won it, right, Like, so

1051
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: I built it that way. But I did talk to

1052
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: some people, even a prominent rapper who was like, I'm

1053
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: going to support her, but I don't feel comfortable openly

1054
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 3: endorsing her.

1055
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: But I'm going to vote for her. And I'm like why.

1056
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: And so he told me that one of the issues

1057
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: was just kind of like the prosecutor thing, and I said,

1058
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: and I made sure to talk about the things that

1059
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 3: we have been told moved the needle with these groups, right,

1060
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: like knowing that she had like second chance programs and

1061
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 3: things like that, like letting them know that she was

1062
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: one of the good ones, like one of the ones

1063
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: that we would have wanted, if it was Breonna Taylor.

1064
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 3: That I mean, like, that's the kind that you want, right,

1065
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: So we were trying to do that. But I think,

1066
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: and it goes back to kind of the Trump phenomenon.

1067
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 3: I think that what had been baked in about the

1068
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: vice president was that she was a prosecutor. They did

1069
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: not know very much beyond that, And when you're talking

1070
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: about one hundred and seven days of a campaign, it's

1071
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 3: kind of hard to get that across in actually.

1072
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: A classic case where more time would have helped at

1073
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: least on that issue.

1074
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I absolutely believe that, especially since you want people

1075
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: to not fear you, but you want them to like

1076
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: trust you.

1077
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: That's what it comes down to.

1078
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: It It's like trust and you know, it's like you

1079
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: can point out how many lives Trump does or whatever.

1080
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: One of the reasons I.

1081
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 3: Think that he got away with trying to paint us

1082
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Speaker 3: as liars is where like this dude is not a

1083
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: good businessman, but you got to think about his profile

1084
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: and you have to think about.

1085
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Speaker 2: Who he is.

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Speaker 3: And this is very specific to him. You have traveled

1087
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: the country, potentially the world and seen buildings with the

1088
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: name Trump on the side of them, and then you

1089
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: don't get enough FaceTime with somebody to explain, no, his

1090
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: name is on the building, but he don't own the building.

1091
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 3: Like you don't like get to get into the minutia

1092
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: on that. So he had been built up as this

1093
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: amazing smart businessman who had all this money instead of like, no,

1094
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 3: he inherited money when he was born, and frankly, he

1095
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: would have had more money if he just sat on

1096
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 3: that money and didn't do anything because he.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how hard Yeah, yeah, somebody else beat

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00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: the house.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's crazy, but like it's but still like

1100
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: how many people know all of these details?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: And so that's what So there was this longstanding kind

1103
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: of idea of Trump as this successful, smart, hard businessman.

1104
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: And then for the most part, what people knew about

1105
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: the vice president is that she had been a prosecutor.

1106
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: She had been a prosecutor on the state level, she

1107
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: had been the attorney general.

1108
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: Like they only kind of knew her in that way,

1109
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: because I.

1110
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: Remember struggling with it way before we were figuring out

1111
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: who was gonna run for what or whatever. Sure was

1112
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: this issue or this idea of people that said, well,

1113
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 3: I voted for I voted for Kamala, right, Like they

1114
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 3: went and voted for the ticket, right, voted for Joe

1115
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 3: and Kamala, But they really went because they wanted to

1116
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: vote for her, and they were saying things like, well,

1117
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: we haven't seen her, right, And so then it's like

1118
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 3: vice presidents are really not like that prominent, like that's

1119
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 3: not their job. They are supporting cast members, right. So

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01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 3: I think we just really got and it wasn't until

1121
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: she was stepping in as the actual nominee that she

1122
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 3: could then go ahead and direct her way, and she

1123
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: just didn't have enough time in my life.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like she should get another shot at this?

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Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think that she should do

1126
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 3: what she feels like is best. You know, one thing

1127
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 3: that people don't really evaluate is the toll that all

1128
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Speaker 3: of this takes on not only you but your family.

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Speaker 2: And I think, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, there were those that never thought that Joe Biden

1131
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 3: could win, and the third time was the charm. I

1132
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: can't say what will happen, And honestly, I personally feel

1133
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: like the only reason we ended up with Barack Obama

1134
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: was because everything had fallen apart. And so depending on

1135
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: how desperate people are, I think that it may absolutely

1136
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: propel your not so likely candidate. I think that people,

1137
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: potentially even misogynists, would like hold their nose and be

1138
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: like forget it.

1139
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: Say like I got to do well.

1140
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of those, you know,

1141
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: there were great stories about that that you know, you'd

1142
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: hear these stories about Barack Obama's two thousand and eight campaign.

1143
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: He'd go they'd have canvassers in western Pennsylvania and they'd

1144
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: go to these doors that today are probably mega voters,

1145
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: but in No. Eight they voted for Obama. And they

1146
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: refer to Obama as the African American candidate, but they

1147
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: didn't use African American and or black, and it gets

1148
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: to the point you just made, which is desperation sometimes

1149
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: gets you know, this is what I You know Trump

1150
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: and Obama have this in common. Yes, right, there's a

1151
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: hand there's a slice of voters who wanted massive change. Look,

1152
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: I go back. This is why I think ultimately Barack

1153
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: Obama made a mistake endorsing Hillary Clinton. No offense to

1154
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. She certainly had earned a lot of things,

1155
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: and if this were at a job interview, she was

1156
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: the most qualified person for the job. But you and

1157
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: I both know it's not a job interview, right, It's

1158
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: a different type of deal. And I would argue that

1159
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party picked Obama over Clinton because they didn't

1160
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: want the establishment in charge, and that when he went

1161
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: establishment that that may have been a fork in the road,

1162
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: that if you now go back in time, that maybe

1163
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: he should have taken a different a different path.

1164
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 3: Look, you were making an argument for the situation that

1165
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 3: we find ourselves in right now.

1166
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: Right, I mean no, which is why I knew I

1167
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: definitely think new is going to be I always say this.

1168
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: If you look at successful Democratic candidates for president, it's

1169
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: usually they're the new candidate there, you know, and they

1170
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: were not seen as the front runner at the start.

1171
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton was that way, Jimmy Carter was that way.

1172
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: Barack Obama is that way. There is you know, new

1173
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: and electable, and it's subjective what electable is. But that's

1174
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: and the thing that I can't figure out is who's

1175
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: new because every name we're going to mention is not

1176
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: new because we're mentioning their names, right, it is going

1177
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: to be you know, people will mention Mark Cuban. I

1178
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: bet you know Mark Cuban a little bit better than

1179
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: most people, given he's a Dallas guy. Yeah, you know,

1180
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if we if it's smart to go

1181
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: with sort of Trump light, but you know, who knows.

1182
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 3: I have no idea, but I do think that we

1183
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 3: won't truly have an idea of which way is going

1184
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 3: to go until we really get closer to the election,

1185
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 3: because I do believe the desperation is going to set in.

1186
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: I mean, we will find out.

1187
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: You know, there are those that are like, oh, we

1188
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: just got to take the house back, and you and

1189
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Speaker 3: I have already discussed how these lines are not set

1190
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 3: up for us. I mean, we are like an uphill

1191
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: climb in a lot of these races that we really

1192
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 3: should not be in. But even still, I think we

1193
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: are going to defy the odds. The question is that

1194
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 3: we're going to defy the odds and have you know

1195
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: three seats are we on? Are are we going to

1196
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 3: buy the odds?

1197
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: Can you have a working majority?

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01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to have just a ton of people.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that will be our first and

1200
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 3: then the Republicans will be given an opportunity to switch

1201
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: back and maybe slow down, right because they're like, whoa,

1202
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: this rat is big and it's going to continue on

1203
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 3: two years after that.

1204
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: I know you've got to go, and I don't want

1205
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: to keep you too long, but I do want to

1206
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: dabble in Texas politics. You served in that Texas State House.

1207
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: I think the most fascinating political story that no one's

1208
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: paying attention to is, and you know these folks is

1209
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: the leadership of the Texas House is a bipartisan is

1210
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: the result of a bipartisan effort that it was sort

1211
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: of a rejection of the of the more right wing

1212
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: elements of the Texas Republican Party. Is Texas a three

1213
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: party state, meaning there's sort of two Republican parties, sort

1214
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 1: of the John Cornyn Party and the and the Ken

1215
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: Paxtea Party version of it, and then there's the Democratic Party.

1216
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean my described it a bit cynically, but.

1217
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Speaker 3: Correctly you are, as We're about to watch what happens

1218
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 3: in this primary, and I think that it's going to

1219
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: be interesting because all of the polling says that Paxton

1220
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 3: is the one that's going to make it out of

1221
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 3: that primary, and it's going to make the Republicans' ability

1222
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: to win the Senate seat more difficult than it had

1223
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 3: I can tell you for sure that with almost absolute certainty,

1224
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 3: if John Cornyan somehow managed to be the nominee.

1225
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put it this way. There's a whole bunch

1226
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: of Dallas Republicans who haven't voted Republican for president, I'm

1227
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: guessing now since twenty twelve. Yeah, and they'll vote for

1228
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: John Cornyn. They're voting for Ken Paxton, correct.

1229
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, correct.

1230
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 3: So you know, it'll be interesting to see how whichever

1231
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: candidates emerge in that Senate race, how they decide to

1232
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 3: play it. I think there's been this inclination to kind

1233
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 3: of try to be like Republican esque, and it's not

1234
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 3: worked so far. So I just I really don't think

1235
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: that well, which path works?

1236
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, neither one of them worked, right. Beto didn't

1237
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: do that. Beto went in a different direction, got close

1238
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: but lost. Colin Allred when in the hey, I'm I'm

1239
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: a John Cornyn type, basically said, you know, he hugged

1240
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: Cornan during that race against Cruse, which I think for

1241
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: swing voters, I get it. I get that strategy too,

1242
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: and he lost by more than Beto did. What does

1243
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: that tell you?

1244
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think again, I hate to do it.

1245
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 3: Like when you're talking about a tight vote and you're

1246
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 3: talking about tight election, that's when you're going to start

1247
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: to get into vibes period. You just are because again

1248
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 3: you have a certain portion of the electorate that does

1249
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 3: not have the time to kind of dig into all

1250
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: of the details.

1251
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Speaker 1: And Betto broke through and Colin didn't.

1252
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Beto was able to energize so many people.

1253
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: But I also think he caught Cruise slippin' right, Like

1254
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 3: Cruse wasn't into that he would have a real race,

1255
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 3: so he had that advantage. But he outworked Cruise definitely,

1256
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 3: like you know, the entire time. So I think that

1257
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 3: Beto did what we needed done in that moment. At least,

1258
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 3: which was to give us a little bit of hope,

1259
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: but it was because of how well that he did.

1260
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 3: He lost by three points. We know that Trump only

1261
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 3: won the state by five points. Next thing, you know,

1262
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 3: they want to change all the voting rules, right because

1263
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 3: you end up running away with Texas. There is no

1264
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 3: path for the Republicans to get into the White House.

1265
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 3: And that's why it's really important that we make those investments.

1266
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 3: Texas is the majority.

1267
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: Why does the Demo? Why does the net look I'm

1268
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: a Floridian and I've watched the National Democratic Party pay

1269
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: lip service to Florida Democrats for decades, and now they're

1270
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: in a catastrophic situation. I'm seeing the same set of

1271
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: lip service was paid to I wonder if the moment's

1272
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: been missed in Texas.

1273
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: I really do think that we are missing out. But

1274
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 3: I think that we need to get on the ground

1275
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 3: and do the work. And that same election we're talking about,

1276
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 3: we only had seventeen percent of the people turn out.

1277
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 3: Seventeen percent of people.

1278
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: This wasn't a registration issue. This was a turnout issue

1279
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: in your correct right.

1280
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 3: But like we also do these like tickets where it's

1281
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 3: like that's always the only person that anybody was going

1282
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 3: to vote for, Like there was nothing else that was

1283
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 3: like exciting or jazzing them. So we do this thing

1284
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, we've got one great candidate, and

1285
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 3: then we don't do anything else. I told you about

1286
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 3: people saying that they showed up and they voted for

1287
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 3: Harris when they were voting for the ticket.

1288
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: I think that we've.

1289
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 3: Got to be more strategic about like not just oh,

1290
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 3: let me put somebody who's Hispanic on this ticket, Like,

1291
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: let's get strong people to run who can appeal to

1292
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 3: every portion of like our state. Like you can have

1293
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 3: like people that are progressive and have people that are liberal,

1294
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,879
Speaker 3: and have people that are better at media than others,

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Speaker 3: have people that are black and Latino and Asian.

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Speaker 2: We have a large AAPI community.

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Speaker 3: So I think that we've got to figure out, like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: who will jazz up some folk, like who will get

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Speaker 3: them going? And frankly, black people have not been super jazzed.

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Speaker 3: Just be perfectly honest. We have more black people in

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Speaker 3: the state of Texas than any other state, and so

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Speaker 3: like figuring out how to turn them out. When they

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Speaker 3: won Georgia, you know what they had turnout way above

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Speaker 3: seventeen percent, right, And so that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I think if we can get the turnout, we can win.

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Speaker 1: If Nico Harrison ran for office, how many could he

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Speaker 1: get elected to anything in Dallas? Right now? Now you

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Speaker 1: know how the Lucas situation is it? What of those?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's going to be something that leaves

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Speaker 1: a mark for years, for decades or on the maps?

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Speaker 2: For sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: For sure?

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, the fans were so supportive. We finally

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Speaker 3: were getting somewhere and were.

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Speaker 1: Relevant, you know. Yeah, yeah, But the only thing that

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Speaker 1: matters in Dallas is the Cowboys, right.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, they don't play in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: So wow, that's all I'm gonna say on that they

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Speaker 3: don't play.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Well, well, the only people that play in Dallas

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Speaker 1: are the stars in the maps. So that's Dallas's only

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Speaker 1: teams in your mind?

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Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, yep, they're the ones that play in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Well they're your constituents, that's for sure. Are you

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Speaker 1: running for oversight ranking? For sure?

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Speaker 2: Uh? I was pretty sure I was in.

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Speaker 3: I just got a phone call from a member that

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Speaker 3: may complicate my pathway.

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Speaker 1: So if you could give a keem Jeffries one piece

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Speaker 1: of advice, what would it be?

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Speaker 3: I think that a piece of advice would be to

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Speaker 3: embrace all portions of are Caucus as as Democrats as

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Speaker 3: a whole, and make sure that we have implies.

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Speaker 1: You don't think he has been what do you think

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Speaker 1: he's been too? Do you think he's been too trying

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Speaker 1: to be too strategic?

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Speaker 3: I think that I think we focused on being kind

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 3: of completely unified, and I think what works in one

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Speaker 3: district doesn't necessarily work in another district. And I think

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Speaker 3: being seen is given permission for everyone to kind of

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Speaker 3: be what they have to fight.

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Speaker 1: Maybe have a debate, go ahead and let it be

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Speaker 1: in public a little bit. Look, this is what happened

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson Robe. They had

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01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: a big, loud debate, and guess what, the Democratic Party

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: didn't lose the popular vote but twice in the next

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Speaker 1: thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see, but I've got to run.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate well, I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: It's been playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll be bugging you again in the future.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope you enjoyed that interview with Jasmine Crockett.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm gonna have a couple other interviews

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Speaker 1: with some other Democrats pitching their ideas on this moment,

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Speaker 1: how Democrats should be doing it, how Democrats should be

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Speaker 1: handling it. So take notes here and tell me what

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Speaker 1: you and then as we get more it'll be interesting

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Speaker 1: to compare and contrast the different conversations as you've already had,

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Speaker 1: how various Democrats want to handle this moment. All right,

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Speaker 1: before I go, let me do a little bit of

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Speaker 1: Ask Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Ask Chuck.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do one question and it's a terrific question,

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Speaker 1: and it's a question I've had in my back of

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Speaker 1: my head for a while. Now. This comes from Peter Quebec.

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Speaker 1: I hope I pronounced your name right, Peter, your last name,

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Speaker 1: And it starts a mirror After the Supreme Court decision

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Speaker 1: which largely struck down Roe v. Wade, conventional wisdom from politicians,

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Speaker 1: news outlets, and analysts held that abortion was going to

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Speaker 1: be the north star for Democrats, that it was going

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 1: to rouse not only the base but women overall, and

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Speaker 1: it was touted as what would propel Aamala Harris to

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Speaker 1: victory in twenty twenty four. However, after the election, abortion

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Speaker 1: basically disappeared as any kind of issue or talking point.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard it mentioned on any of the Sunday

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Speaker 1: talk shows since November, and none of the numerous political

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: podcasts I listened to left or right have discussed it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think has happened if Democrats abandoned abortion

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: as a cause. So I don't think they've abandoned the cause,

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: but I will tell you this when, and this has

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: been true of cultural and social issues for some time,

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01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: that when economic issues are front and center, all everything

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01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: else goes by the wayside. Most cultural issues go by

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01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: the wayside. Usually if abortion's being talked about front and center,

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: it means the economy is not going is going fine? Right?

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01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: When the economy is good, that's when there's more of

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01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: a focus on cultural issues. So I think this is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a temporary sort of respite on

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Speaker 1: the abortion issue, because the facts are the facts. Right

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: wherever it's been on the ballot, wherever it's it is

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Speaker 1: a central issue, there's only one side that seems to

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Speaker 1: to be winning public opinion here. So I don't think

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01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: it's lost its residence, but I do think Democrats are

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: a little spooked by it because they looked like that

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01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: they were not focused on the economy. Right, There's been

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01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,520
Speaker 1: this idea that it's you either focus on the economy

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01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: or you focus on personal liberty issues. And so I

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01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 1: think that that's why you've seen so many Democrats lately

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Speaker 1: not do it. I suspect though, that you know, I

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01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: promise you in Virginia you'll see it pop up. I

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01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: have a feeling by the fall, in the two campaigns

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01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: in Virginia and in New Jersey, that the issue will

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: come up. Will it be number one issue advertised? Probably not,

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: but it will be I think much more, much more

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01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: prevalent in the campaign conversation then you're seeing it now.

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Speaker 1: But it's an excellent point. There was a good column

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01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: I think of the Washington Post. I think it was

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01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: Paul Cain wrote a pretty smart column about this a

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01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: few weeks ago about how it does seem as if

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01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: for now that the issue is not top of mind

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01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: for Democrats and there isn't a champion. Like I said,

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01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: I just think this is somewhat temporary. I think you'll

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01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: start to see you're still going to see an attempt

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01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: wherever possible to get it on the ballot and be

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01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: a referendum and things like that. So my guess is

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01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: we're just in a lull on this issue more than

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01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: anything else. I'm going to keep questions there on that

1420
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: because this has been a long episode. Number one, number two,

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01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: it is time for everybody that listens. I want you

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01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: to provide all your positive mojo because Monday night is

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01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: the NBA Draft Lottery, and you've got to understand Washington

1424
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: d C. I know that some people may not be

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: aware of this, but Washington DC does have an NBA franchise.

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01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: It's called the Washington Wizards. A bunch of us missed

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01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: the old Washington Bullets because at least the Bullets won.

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01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the change. It was

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01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: named after the bullet train back in the day, the

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01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: Silver Bullet Train, but the name was changed because they

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01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to have any any connection whatsoever to any

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01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: form of guns on that front. But I'll be honest,

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01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: none of us have ever really embraced the Wizards. It's

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01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: a it's it's a it's a it's a tough you know,

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: it's no commanders, but it's it's never been. At least

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01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: it's got a literation, right. That's about all it has

1437
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: on that front. But if we can win the NBA

1438
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: Draft Lottery, we've won the Wizards have won it twice once.

1439
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: We we had it when Michael Jordan was running this

1440
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: franchise and he drafted a high school kid that didn't

1441
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: quite he had a good career, but it wasn't a

1442
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: franchise saver, Kwame Brown. And then we got it when

1443
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 1: we got John Wall. And John Wall, as my friend

1444
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: Tony Cohenheiger will tell you, he was good enough to

1445
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: get the Wizards to game six. He won Game six

1446
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: in a conference semifinal, and and then didn't show up

1447
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: for Game seven against the Celtics, and the Wizard's dream

1448
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: of making a conference of losing a conference final to

1449
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: Lebron in his last year in the Eastern Conference was

1450
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: denied on that front. But if the Wizards can win

1451
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: it Cooper Flag. They've actually been putting together to the

1452
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: credit of this Wizard's franchise, and they've been actually making

1453
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: some decent moves over the last eighteen months. They seem

1454
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: to be having a decent group of players that with

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: Cooper Flag, they could be awfully interesting and a lot

1456
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 1: of fun. So all I'm asking all of your Mojo,

1457
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: let's you know you don't want we don't need Cooper

1458
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: Flag going to San Antonio. They got Wemby. We don't

1459
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: need Cooper Flag going at Utah. Danny Age is too

1460
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: smart to let that franchise languish. Okay, the Wizards need

1461
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: the help. They've not won fifty games. I think ever

1462
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: think about that. They've never won fifty games. They've won

1463
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 1: an NBA title once. They've been to two NBA Finals,

1464
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: but in neither year do they actually win fifty games.

1465
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: So I'm just asking just a little bit. I know,

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01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: you may have your own team, you may have your

1467
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: own preference of where you want Cooper Flag to go.

1468
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: The Wizards could really use it, and the NBA could

1469
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,520
Speaker 1: really use a franchise in Washington, DC that's actually successful.

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01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: All right with that, Hopefully the next time we talk,

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01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: Cooper Flag is about to become a Washington Wizard. Until

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Speaker 1: we upload the game,