WEBVTT - How E-voting Works

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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<v Speaker 1>tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. My name is Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a staff writer here at how Stuff Works, and

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<v Speaker 1>with me is Chris Palette as her extraordinaire. Oh lah

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<v Speaker 1>to you, Chris. Uh. We're here to talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>about a really big event that's gonna happen in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States November. Uh not Thanksgiving? No, I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna happen in November, but that's not the one

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. Is there something else happening? Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the elections here. That election, yes, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course since we're the Tech channel, we're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how the Internet relates to elections, particularly this election. That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a few months ago when I was working

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<v Speaker 1>with someone else, um that would be Josh Clark and

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<v Speaker 1>you may know for stuff you should know, we actually

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<v Speaker 1>put together a series of political articles on how Barack

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<v Speaker 1>Obama works, how Hillary Clinton works, how John McCain works.

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<v Speaker 1>They were, you know, the principles in the election, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things I noticed from that was that

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<v Speaker 1>there's just so much more interest in the elections. And

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about ideas for podcasts. Uh I told Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that we should do one about how the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet has really profoundly affected this election, because so many

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<v Speaker 1>more people are involved in in the outcome of this.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just really, you know, personally invested in there. They

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<v Speaker 1>want to see what happens. Uh, you know, from both sides,

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<v Speaker 1>from the conservative side and the liberal side, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know everywhere in between. Um. And in fact, as I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing research was I saw a report from the

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<v Speaker 1>Pew Charitable trusts UM, which always makes me think of

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<v Speaker 1>a certain cartoon Skunk. But aside from that, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>report in June and said that of adults are using

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet or some kind of electronic means for political purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>to share information, for fundraising, uh, to keep up with things.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's amazing. I mean of the population, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a significant amount considering the number of people

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<v Speaker 1>who are wired, because not everybody uses the internet. That's

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<v Speaker 1>true even still and uh, I actually read in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a report over from our friends across the pond,

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<v Speaker 1>over over from the BBC News that people under twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four trust online media more than they trust television as

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<v Speaker 1>a source of political news. Seriously, Yeah, that's crazy. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's crazy in the sense that, uh that that

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<v Speaker 1>it shifted so quickly, right, I mean, comparatively speaking, the

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<v Speaker 1>internet is still a pretty young thing, and the web

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<v Speaker 1>is even more young than that. The web hit the

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<v Speaker 1>hit the scene in the early nineties, uh, came available

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<v Speaker 1>to the general public around then. The Internet has played

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<v Speaker 1>a role in in earlier elections, but really, this year,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eight, it really seems like this is the

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<v Speaker 1>year the Internet has come into its own as a

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<v Speaker 1>political vehicle. Um. Not just for the media reporting on

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<v Speaker 1>this or or citizens who are blogging about it or

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<v Speaker 1>reading about it, but also for the politicians themselves. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama seems to have really grasped this. He has

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<v Speaker 1>his own Twitter account. He's actually in the top ten

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter users for people who follow Twitter. Um. And not

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<v Speaker 1>only that, but his Twitter account follows back anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>follows him. So if you follow Barack Obama, Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 1>follows you. Know. We should probably mentioned that it's very

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<v Speaker 1>unlikely that Obama himself is the one twittering you don't

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<v Speaker 1>really see him at the Yeah, you don't really see

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<v Speaker 1>him at debates, like with his you know, looking down

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<v Speaker 1>below the podium with his thumbs going crazy as he's

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<v Speaker 1>hitting his BlackBerry. Um, although that would be great. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, hold on, I'm not going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the economy here. I got a Twitter to finish. Hold

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<v Speaker 1>on one second, I'll be right with you. Right. But

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<v Speaker 1>but whoever is on the staff who's doing this, is

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<v Speaker 1>uh really keeping the followers up to date. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>every time that Obama is going to uh to speak

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<v Speaker 1>live in front of an audience, there's a link in

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<v Speaker 1>a in a tweet from Barack Obama saying, Hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>could watch the speech right now as it happens. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to wait for the news tonight. And uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a powerful tool, that's true. Uh. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been so adapt at fundraising using his website that

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<v Speaker 1>he's been able to you know, there was all over

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<v Speaker 1>the news not too long ago that he was giving

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<v Speaker 1>up public financing for his election campaign for the general

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<v Speaker 1>election because he was able to raise money through private means.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, the McCain campaign hit back at him saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, saying that he had flip flop that he

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<v Speaker 1>had already agreed to use public money. UM. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know he's He's not the only one because Ron Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>the candidate for the in the Republican race, was able

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<v Speaker 1>to uh fundraise substantial amounts using you know, grassroots internetwork

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know they're they're basically all the campaigns

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<v Speaker 1>this year used it as a fundamental part of their strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you know they're having various degrees of success with it, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know that it's it's been a serious part

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<v Speaker 1>in the campaign itself from the candidates and and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the largest uh uh initiatives would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>through email. Um. You see a lot of blogs, you

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of things like the neat little Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>posts and stuff, but really email lists are where are

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<v Speaker 1>emails still how the candidates are are getting their message

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<v Speaker 1>across uh primarily when they're using the Internet as a vehicle. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they have their websites and everything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you have ever signed on to any any

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<v Speaker 1>politics Asian's website, I guarantee you're receiving email from uh

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<v Speaker 1>everyone connected to that campaign. Um, and you may be

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<v Speaker 1>receiving multiple ones in a single day, and and most

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<v Speaker 1>of the time it's for fundraising opportunities things of that nature. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's emails a big thing with candidates, which

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting because I thought email was dead. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I keep hearing anyway. Yeah, yeah, well it's certainly not dead.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to putting down candidates or trying to

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<v Speaker 1>spread disinformation. There will be a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people on again all sides of the campaign who

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<v Speaker 1>are uh perfectly willing to spread rumors to anyone and everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, not just about the candidates, but about their

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<v Speaker 1>significant others as well. Despicable. Um. You know. As a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, it's gone so far that St. Petersburg

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<v Speaker 1>Times and Congressional Quarterly have put together a website and

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<v Speaker 1>an email but I subscribe to called PolitiFact. It's available

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<v Speaker 1>at PolitiFact dot com. And it's kind of cool because

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<v Speaker 1>they have a truth ometer. So what happens is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's like one of those old needle gauges that you

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<v Speaker 1>see on on audio recording equipment or in a TV studio.

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<v Speaker 1>And basically what they'll do and they and they are

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<v Speaker 1>very even handed about it. They take all the different

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<v Speaker 1>candidates or even some of the uh, the third parties

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<v Speaker 1>that make claims about things that they say in ads

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll say, you know, uh, for example, Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 1>is a Muslim, and they'll say, you know, they'll actually

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<v Speaker 1>investigate the claim, break it out piece by piece, interview

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<v Speaker 1>people and break it down, and they'll list it on

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<v Speaker 1>the truth ometer as being anywhere from you know, patently

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<v Speaker 1>true to pants on fire which actually has little flames

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the gauge, which saying you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely not true and this is why. And they'll

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<v Speaker 1>break it down in the different things. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interesting because the email takes it and breaks it,

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<v Speaker 1>each one of these claims down, and it takes you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it plays no favorites, it takes all of them as

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<v Speaker 1>they come. That's that's uh. That's pretty interesting because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of disinformation out there and and it might

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<v Speaker 1>not even be intentional, but it's definitely there. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama too had to start a website of his

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<v Speaker 1>own called fight the Smears dot com where he addresses

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<v Speaker 1>each of those uh you know, basically, it's the email

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<v Speaker 1>chain that's coming back and each of these claims he's

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<v Speaker 1>taking and explaining you know why people say this about

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<v Speaker 1>him and then why it's not true. So it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when when you actually have to take a website,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that just to do do that, it shows

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<v Speaker 1>how prolific these emails have gotten. Right and and to

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<v Speaker 1>go beyond the whole email realm, we can look at

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<v Speaker 1>other aspects of the Internet that have been very important

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<v Speaker 1>in this election process like YouTube. Um, the YouTube debates

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<v Speaker 1>that were held during the primary season. Uh, that was huge,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gave viewers the chance to actually ask questions

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<v Speaker 1>of the candidates. It really set a new precedent for

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<v Speaker 1>voter politician interact. I mean that. I think that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons why the Internet is playing such a

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<v Speaker 1>huge role in this election. It gives people more of

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of connection to the people who are running

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<v Speaker 1>for office. You're no longer looking at someone who's on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of a train, you know, making a speech

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<v Speaker 1>before the train goes off to its next destination destination.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're actually interacting with the people who may very

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<v Speaker 1>well end up being president. I mean, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a powerful tool. Yeah, and you think as

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<v Speaker 1>powerful as it is, that it would allow us to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to not have to stand in lines on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the second Tuesday in November. Right, you know, at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>E voting, you know, voting from the comfort or your

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<v Speaker 1>own home where in your jammy's and your bunny slippers,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like it's going to be here anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's, um, there's some big problems with E voting. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some aspects of the voting already. The chances

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<v Speaker 1>are uh, most of us, i'm sure have have seen

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<v Speaker 1>a direct recording electron voting machine d r E. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those where you go in and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little computer monitor and you touch the screen and you

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<v Speaker 1>make your choices and then at the end it says

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<v Speaker 1>is this correct, shows you the ballot, and you say

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<v Speaker 1>yes or no and um, and you move on from there. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's been a lot of controversy about these machines,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're safe, whether people can hack into them, whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not they have a paper trail, because without a

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<v Speaker 1>paper trail, can you really trust the electronic trail. Basically

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<v Speaker 1>that you take your card, you put it in your vote,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're supposed to put the smart card in

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<v Speaker 1>a box and you don't know whether anything is being

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<v Speaker 1>done with that, whether anything has been actually recorded on

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<v Speaker 1>the card. I mean right, it's it's um, it's there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole can of worms there. And when you when

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<v Speaker 1>you extend that to the internet, it gets even more complicated. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest problems is guaranteeing that your vote

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<v Speaker 1>is counting. And the issue here is between privacy and accountability,

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<v Speaker 1>because they can't. You you can't link of vote to

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<v Speaker 1>a specific individual. That violates your whole right to privacy. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some people they don't care if you know

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<v Speaker 1>that they're voting for one person versus another. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>you can't you can't make a judgment across the board

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<v Speaker 1>based on those people. You have to ensure privacy. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're ensuring privacy, that means you can't necessarily link

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<v Speaker 1>back one vote to one person. How can you then

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<v Speaker 1>be sure that every vote that's in your electronic system

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<v Speaker 1>is accurate and valid. What if someone has hacked in

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<v Speaker 1>and has put in a thousand votes for someone and

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<v Speaker 1>these people never even really existed. Is there really a

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<v Speaker 1>way you can be sure that that has not happened. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the government's the US government has tried to experiment with this.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand, the Federal Voting Assistance Program tried voting

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<v Speaker 1>over the Internet UM initiative, and it was deemed successful.

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<v Speaker 1>It had a very secure UH set in place. It

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<v Speaker 1>was only a very small sample size though, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>it really wasn't a true test of the Internet's capability

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<v Speaker 1>of being a voting system. So in two thousand one,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress UH gave the go ahead for an initiative called

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<v Speaker 1>the Secure Electronic Registration and Voting Experiment or SERVE, and

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<v Speaker 1>by two thousand four they canceled it because the the

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<v Speaker 1>security concerns were so great there was no way to

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<v Speaker 1>tell at that time whether or not such a system

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<v Speaker 1>would ever be feasible based on the technology we had,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, we're pretty much gonna have to wait

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<v Speaker 1>until we changed some standards and the technology catches up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll move on from there. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny to think that we went from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the uh, you know, possibility of ballot stuffing with paper

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