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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hey there,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. My name is Jonathan Strickland.

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Speaker 1: I'm a staff writer here at how Stuff Works, and

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Speaker 1: with me is Chris Palette as her extraordinaire. Oh lah

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Speaker 1: to you, Chris. Uh. We're here to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about a really big event that's gonna happen in the

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Speaker 1: United States November. Uh not Thanksgiving? No, I mean that

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Speaker 1: was gonna happen in November, but that's not the one

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. Is there something else happening? Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the elections here. That election, yes, and of

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Speaker 1: course since we're the Tech channel, we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: how the Internet relates to elections, particularly this election. That's true.

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Speaker 1: You know, a few months ago when I was working

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Speaker 1: you may know for stuff you should know, we actually

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Speaker 1: put together a series of political articles on how Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama works, how Hillary Clinton works, how John McCain works.

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Speaker 1: They were, you know, the principles in the election, and

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Speaker 1: one of the things I noticed from that was that

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Speaker 1: there's just so much more interest in the elections. And

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Speaker 1: we were talking about ideas for podcasts. Uh I told Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: I thought that we should do one about how the

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Speaker 1: Internet has really profoundly affected this election, because so many

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Speaker 1: more people are involved in in the outcome of this.

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Speaker 1: They're just really, you know, personally invested in there. They

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Speaker 1: want to see what happens. Uh, you know, from both sides,

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Speaker 1: know everywhere in between. Um. And in fact, as I

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Speaker 1: a certain cartoon Skunk. But aside from that, they didn't

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Speaker 1: report in June and said that of adults are using

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Speaker 1: the Internet or some kind of electronic means for political purposes,

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Speaker 1: to share information, for fundraising, uh, to keep up with things.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's amazing. I mean of the population, you know,

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Speaker 1: who are wired, because not everybody uses the internet. That's

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Speaker 1: true even still and uh, I actually read in a

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Speaker 1: over over from the BBC News that people under twenty

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Speaker 1: a source of political news. Seriously, Yeah, that's crazy. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's crazy in the sense that, uh that that

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Speaker 1: it shifted so quickly, right, I mean, comparatively speaking, the

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Speaker 1: to the general public around then. The Internet has played

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Speaker 1: a role in in earlier elections, but really, this year,

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Speaker 1: year the Internet has come into its own as a

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Speaker 1: political vehicle. Um. Not just for the media reporting on

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama seems to have really grasped this. He has

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Speaker 1: his own Twitter account. He's actually in the top ten

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Speaker 1: unlikely that Obama himself is the one twittering you don't

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