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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a dancer manages from Lennix

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Speaker 1: Square and has never seen again. Now, thirty five years later,

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Speaker 1: Ronda Smith's family is hoping a fresh plea will help

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Speaker 1: shed some new light on this cold case. And six

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Speaker 1: feet tall, the twenty one year old was known for

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Speaker 1: her smile and by her nickname Legs. Where is Ronda Smith?

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Speaker 1: Joining me? Her parents Jack and Aileen, along with cousin Nancy,

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Speaker 1: who have never given up. I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Ronda Smith,

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Speaker 1: Ronda disappears. Joining me right now, Jack Smith, Eileen Cornell,

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Speaker 1: and Nancy Cunningham from Rhonda's family also with me Winston Skinner,

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Speaker 1: the news editor at the Noonon Times, Harold Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: director of the Coal Case Research Institute, and Stephen Lampley,

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Speaker 1: detective at Stephen Lampley dot Com. I want to go

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Speaker 1: first to Eileen Cornell. This is Rohnda's mom. Tell me

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Speaker 1: I think then probably the next day I realized Randa

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Speaker 1: looking for answers to Nancy Cunningham, relative of Ronda Smiths

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Speaker 1: you have devoted so much of your life gathering information

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Speaker 1: about Ronda's disappearance. How did it all start? Nancy? I

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Speaker 1: Although I never knew her personally, I couldn't understand how

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Speaker 1: You know, it just doesn't happen. It just shouldn't happen.

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Speaker 1: And to hear Jack and Aileen talk about it, their

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Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: this case starts in a place where so many cases go.

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Speaker 1: And again, Cheryl, you know, I've been working so hard,

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Speaker 1: well over a year now on a book, Don't Be

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Speaker 1: a Victim, Fighting Back against America's crime ways, and a

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Speaker 1: whole chapter and a very tense chapter as well, is

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Speaker 1: devoted to shopping malls, strip malls, and how so many

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Speaker 1: what do we know happen the day Rhonda Smith, just

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Speaker 1: For people tuning in right now, what is Lennox Mall,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. Lennox is a posh upscale mall in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: It's got you know. At the time it had Davidson's

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Speaker 1: at the Noonon Times, Harold her vehicle was found in

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Speaker 1: That's important because we don't have people not from the

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Speaker 1: that station. For Mark Time Stories with Nancy Grace with Me,

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Speaker 1: Jack Smith, Eileen Cornell, Nancy Cunningham, Winston Skinner, Stephen Lampley,

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Speaker 1: In the disappearance of a gorgeous girl, twenty one year

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Speaker 1: what do we know about her movements that morning? Okay?

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Speaker 1: you know? How can we place her at Nautilus? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: temper and she could get, you know, really upset about things.

421
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: And one night late she called me. They were having

422
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: a dispute about something, and so I asked Time, I said,

423
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: time to do I really do I need to I'm

424
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: down there, you know, and get it wrong because it

425
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: was started about twelve thirty or so, and he said, no,

426
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: She'll be fine. We'll talk in the morning. And the

427
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: next day when I talked the Rona, she said that

428
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: Tom told her that she should not be calling me

429
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: every time they have a little spat, that that was

430
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: not right, that he didn't call his parents every time

431
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: they had a little fight. And you know, I understood that,

432
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: and that was all of the fight. You know. She

433
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: never said another word about it. Okay, wait a minute,

434
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: So the boyfriend tells her, don't call your parents every

435
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: time we have an argument. Yeah, I don't like that

436
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: at all. What were you saying, Jack Smith? I was

437
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: gonna ask didn't ron to call and say that she

438
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: that Tom had lied about what he did for a

439
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: living or something like that. Is that something that I

440
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: or did I know? It's no Actually that was not

441
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: that hung a thing. I had to look at the

442
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: notes that she had just said one afternoon that she

443
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: was questioned that he had lied about the business, and

444
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: the way she found out was through his sister, and

445
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: I just let her talk and she was that was

446
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: all her comment was, was it? You know, she was

447
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: a little up, said that he had lied about the business.

448
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: And after we looked into the business is a little bit.

449
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Tom did not own any of that business, and I

450
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: think he might have told her that, But that's just

451
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: an assumption on my part, you know. To Stephen Lampley,

452
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: detective at Stephen Lampley dot com, that's never good when

453
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: you find out somebody is lying, a guy is lying

454
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: about something so fundamentalist, where they work and what they do.

455
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: You're right, Nancy, and everything about this, Like Cheryl said

456
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: a while ago, it seems to me, and it seems

457
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: to her as well, that this whole thing is a

458
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: lead into quote unquote that Beyonce's innocence. Now, I'm not

459
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: saying he's guilty by any means, but all of these indicators,

460
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: like she said, are there, and then of course later

461
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: on we find out he laggers up really really quick.

462
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: And then yeah, the polygraph. I think there were some

463
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: issues with the polygraph, some of the questions that indicated

464
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: he was not forthcoming with the truth. We have a problem,

465
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: then answer you know. And here's the thing. The fiance

466
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: has not been named suspect in this case. We are

467
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: just following the leads. But I can tell you to

468
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: Nancy Cunningham, relative of Ronda smiss now missing for years,

469
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't look good feeling a polygraph if that is true.

470
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: Lawyering up when your fiance goes missing. No, what do

471
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: we know about him now? Nancy? Where is he now?

472
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: Or do we even know? I don't know, but I

473
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 1: can tell you this the business that his father owned

474
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: at the time, with a smeltering business, are you familiar

475
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: with Yes, they took X rays and melted them down

476
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: and extracted the filver where the plant was at. They

477
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: had the capability of burning a body beyond recognition. That

478
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: was never searched. None of that was ever looked into

479
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace gone Cole, the case of

480
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: a missing dancer disappearing from an upscale mall in Atlanta,

481
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: never seen again or did she? This case has haunted

482
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: her mom and dad Jack and Eileen since she disappeared,

483
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: she's absolutely beautiful. I'm talking about Rhonda Smithy goes missing

484
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: from Lenox Square, we think in Atlanta, but now we

485
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: believe she was never even there and leaving the truck

486
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: she was driving there was just a ruse to cover

487
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: up what really happened to Ronda smith What do we

488
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: know about security cameras at Lenox Small or at Nautilus

489
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I know they have them, but I don't

490
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: know that she was ever spotted on anything. I don't

491
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: know that anybody ever corroborated her being at Lenox Mall.

492
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: But I have one more question. Nixt he was sure

493
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: boyfriend was his whereabouts for that fourteen hours ever documented

494
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: by anybody had checked out? I don't believe. So I

495
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: can't get a hold of anything of substance from APD

496
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: or Cowey to County. Okay. Well, I have one more question.

497
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: Was the business as they owned open on Sundays? Well,

498
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I can't answer that, but I can tell you probably so,

499
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: because they would start the process of burning something and

500
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: it would literally take days to complete, like it would

501
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: have to burn hours and hours. I just didn't know

502
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: if they shut down Friday afternoon, started back up Monday. Yeah.

503
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm just listening to all of this, and I'm curious,

504
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Jack Smith, what do police at Calita County tell you

505
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: about her case? I know, I feel like the police

506
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: on both sides, Atlanta and Calita County blew it thirty

507
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: five years ago. Uh, it's well known and can be

508
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: documented that Sargeant pain when when something was asking about

509
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: round and why something was not done about it, Oh well,

510
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: shoes just strepper in a nightclub. And I just always

511
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: felt in my heart that's that's the way law enforcement

512
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: at times. I know they worked on it, don't get

513
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: me wrong, but I just felt in my heart that

514
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: that's the way they felt about it. And a couple

515
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: of things that I can interject also about the uh

516
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: about the burned, about the smell tream and so forth. Uh,

517
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: it's uh hasn't been mentioned, but it's known and can

518
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: they proved. There's a fellow named Duke Blackburn, which is

519
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: I understand pretty well known in the law enforcement community. Uh.

520
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: He had cadaver dogs on that property in two thousand

521
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: and five. Those dogs struck on when the condapt on, uh,

522
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: you know remains and uh Calwita County was told about

523
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: it and they didn't even uh look into it. Another thing,

524
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: it bothers me about Tom. Uh not one time? Have

525
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: I even spoke to it? Not? You know, wouldn't wouldn't

526
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: a fiance safe call of dad and say hey, we're

527
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: doing everything we can to find Rhonda, and uh, you know,

528
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: press my condolences and and so or I mean, he

529
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: never even called, they even reached out to me one Pip, Nancy,

530
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: Can I ask the parents one more questions? Yeah? And

531
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: I want to find out about the wineglass and the

532
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: beer found in the truck if they were taken into evidence.

533
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Let me ask that was your next question? Right now,

534
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm starting to questions One if they've ever had any

535
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: contact with the person that owned the truck to find

536
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: out when and where you know they'd let them borrow that.

537
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: And number two the beer and the wine what about

538
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: that to Nancy Cunningham who own the truck? And what

539
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: about the beer bottle and the wine glass beer can?

540
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: The truck was actually owned by Tom's father, the business

541
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Atlanta Smeltering or something. And I can tell you I've

542
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: done some research in that truck. It's still in Howie

543
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: to coll me. But to my knowledge, they didn't sing

544
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: or printed, They didn't search it, they didn't do anything.

545
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: And as far as the wine glass and the beer can,

546
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: who knows, APD won't tell. I don't know if they

547
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: have it, if they took singer prints. We don't know anything.

548
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: With me. Jack Smith, Eileen Cornell, Nancy Cunningham, Winston Skinner,

549
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Stephen Lamplay and Cheryl McCollum were trying to put the

550
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: pieces back together in the disappearance of a gorgeous girl,

551
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: twenty one year old Ronda Smith. Nancy Cunningham, You've devoted

552
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: so much time trying to find Ronda. What have you learned?

553
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: I learned that you can't always trust what police tell you.

554
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: That if they think there's a cover up, they're just

555
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: going to keep covering it up. Something else that wasn't

556
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: brought up in the conversation earlier excuse me. Aleen made

557
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: a visit to Ronda's house to pick up Ronda's belonging,

558
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: and Tom Fother was in their yard with a back coach.

559
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: Stephen Lamplay. None of these signs are good because I

560
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: really believe if Ronda, then twenty one, had lived at

561
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: some point she would have let her parents, who were

562
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: so loving and supportive of her know that she was okay,

563
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: delight Nancy. And none of this adds up the whole

564
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: the whole thing. It just, uh, there's a lot to

565
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: go on at this point. I don't know what evidence

566
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: is left is in at any but obviously the cadaver

567
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: dogs is a good start. Uh. There's vords of this,

568
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: obviously than than what she's been told. And there's a

569
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: lot more needs to be done. This is Jack, May

570
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: I may I are Jack. One more interesting thing, Oh yes,

571
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: like a concrete slab was toward there after Ronda went missing. Um,

572
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: you know it had to do with the dog pins,

573
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: which was gonna, you know, gonna be her business that

574
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: she was going into. I just find it interesting that

575
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: he would have a concrete slab forward after she went missing. Well,

576
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: I can tell you this, We're gonna be out there

577
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: with some cadaver dogs as soon as I can get

578
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: it arranged, mister Smith and Miss Cornell and Miss Cunningham. Right,

579
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: you can count on that. You can count on that.

580
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: May I ask you a question, Please go ahead the

581
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: police reports. I mean, we can go and look at

582
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: the police reports, but we can't make copies and the

583
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: Atlanta police reports there's two files, probably three or four

584
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: inches thick. I mean, you can the detective did come

585
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: to Jack and Susan's house. Some of us, you know,

586
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: fun through it, but a lot of it is repeat

587
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: and all. I mean, it would take days to study it,

588
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: so you can't really do anything in a couple of hours,

589
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, really get into this. You know what they

590
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: did do? Is it any and they say that since

591
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: it's still active, they can't release the report. You know,

592
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: we just covered a case where Jennifer Kessy's family sued

593
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: the police department in Orlando and got the files. Cheryl,

594
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: can you think of any way around that, any way

595
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: the cops might give that or Stephen Lampley detective, how

596
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: can we get those cop files? Well, if they're they're

597
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: going to let her sit down and take a look

598
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: at it. Number one, she can look at the evidence sheet.

599
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm going to go from opening that file

600
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: right there, she can go to the witness lift. There's

601
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: saying she can do very quickly. That would answer a

602
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: ton of questions. If you have information about the disappearance

603
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: of this beautiful young girl, Ronda Smith Please call four

604
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: zero four five four six five six zero two four

605
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: zero four five four six five six zero two. Between Lamplet, McCollum, Skinner, Cunningham,

606
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: Cornell and Smith, We're not giving up Nancy Grace's crime story.

607
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: Signing off, goodbye friend,