1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome to Move the Sticks DJ. Bucky 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: back with you. Buck, How you doing man? And I'm good. 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm good. Thursday, Thursday night football on on tap. We've 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: got a great football weekend college and proke man. It's 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: it's banana. It's a great time of year. Yeah. I 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: encourage everybody to check us out tonight. If you're listening 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: to this before the Thursday night football game, go come 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: hang with us. It's it's just it's Bucky, Joey Taylor, 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: myself and we hang out and you can find it. 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: You can watch us and listen to us, and uh, 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: you can find that. It is twitch dot tv slash 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Move the six. So Twitch dot tv Slash Moved the Sticks. 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Come hang out with us. The cool part about it 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: is there's a chat that's open and like we will 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: interact with the chat throughout the whole game. So it's 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It's be fun to have more, 18 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: uh kind of from the Move the Sticks podcast audience. 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: Come in there and hang out with us for the evening. 20 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: It's it's a good time. It is always a good time. 21 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: I enjoyed doing it with you enjoy but also just 22 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: the games have been fantastic. And then the interactions with uh, 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: the people, I think that is always the best part 24 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: of it. Just interacts the conversations that we have on 25 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Twitter and Twitch. I think it just makes it a 26 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: really fun experience. All Right, So we we've got a 27 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: awesome coach interview coming up later in this episode. Today, 28 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina head coach Jamie Chadwell is going to join us. Uh. 29 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: He's he's got them six and oh right now, the 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: ranked number fifteen in the country, and I think he's 31 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: starting to get a lot of buzz as somebody who 32 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: is a is really a rising star in the coaching profession. 33 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: He's a brilliant guy who's got a great take on things. 34 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: So we have a conversation with him coming up a 35 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: little bit later on. We're gonna talk a little bit 36 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: about Tom Brady and just how well he's playing. Is 37 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: it going a little bit under the radar, And from 38 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: a personnel standpoint, what can Jason Light and the Buccaneers 39 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: do to make this a Brady friendly environment to to 40 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: maybe they get him to who knows, maybe they get 41 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: him to age fifty. Uh, the way he's playing, playing 42 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: at m VP level right now. But how can they 43 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: sustain that? What can they do from a roster building 44 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: standpoint to keep that rolling? But I want to start 45 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: off buck with this is a tweet that I lobbed out, 46 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: and I did not think he would at this type 47 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: of traction. It was just a curiosity tweet, right. So 48 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: a buddy of mine in the league said, Hey, do 49 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: you think anybody would give up a first round pick 50 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: for Justin Tucker? Obviously in the wake of all these 51 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: missfield goals that cost teams games. Um, do you think 52 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: anybody would give up a first round pick for Justin Tucker? 53 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: And if so, how many teams you think would do it? 54 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: So I lobbed out that tweet. Gosh, it's got a 55 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: ton of responses, almost like a thousand you know, replies 56 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: on that, with people lobbing their opinions, and as expected, Um, 57 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: the analytic friendly group said absolutely not, you cannot. There's 58 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: a positional value. You don't give up a first round 59 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: pick for a kicker. Um. And so that was to 60 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: be expected. But there's some football people and maybe some 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: people laugh at this, that said no, absolutely I would 62 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: do it. You know, when you look at if I'm 63 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: not saying a top ten pick, but if you're a 64 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: team that's it's going to be a playoff team and 65 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: you're picking towards the back end of the first round, 66 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: and you were you know, maybe if Justin Tuck or 67 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: was six versus maybe you know, thirty one. But the 68 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: way he takes care of himself, I gotta believe he 69 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: could kick for another eight to ten years easy. I 70 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: mean Terry was kicking into mid into his mid forties. DJ, 71 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: here here's the thing in look, man, I am fortunate 72 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: enough to play for the Raiders, and the Raiders took 73 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: Sea Bass in the first round. Sebastian Jenikowski, who played 74 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: seventeen years in the league. UM, here's what I would 75 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: say the difference is in terms of drafting a kick 76 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: in the first round versus taking a proven kicker in 77 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker. I know exactly what I'm getting from Justin Tucker, 78 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: and I think kickers get a bad rap in terms 79 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: of their value to the team. But DJ, if you 80 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: check the stats on every team, the leading score is 81 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: typically the kicker, and in a game in which points 82 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: are covered at a premium, I won't point scores. Guys 83 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: who score points have more value. We talked about that 84 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: when we look at um playmakers on the outside. There's 85 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: something different to someone who can deliver explosive players and 86 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: score touchdowns versus someone who is just a chain mover. Uh. 87 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: There's a value to a running back who has a 88 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: nose for the goal line because he can score points. 89 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Points are coveted, and so if I have a kicker 90 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: that can consistently knock the ball between the uprights, there's 91 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: a value to it, particularly if that kicker is automatic 92 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: forty nine yards an end and send my automatic fifty 93 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: yards out. When I was part of the Carolina Panthers, 94 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: we went to the Super Bowl and we had a 95 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: kicker at the time, John Casey, who was automatic that 96 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: year and DJ for the way that we played, run 97 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: the ball, played defense, the kicker needed to be automatic 98 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: because the way that we played the game, every time 99 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: we got to the thirty five yard line, we said, 100 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: that's automatic points. Automatic points. So once we got to 101 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: the thirty five, no more chances. Jake the little note, 102 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: We're just gonna run it, run it, running and kick 103 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: and we want a ton of games like that. So 104 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: there is absolutely a value to having an automatic kicker 105 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: because it ensures that you're getting points, especially if they 106 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: have long distance range fifty yards and end. That means 107 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: DJ all I have to do is get to the 108 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: thirty two thirty three yard line that backs it up 109 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: to the forty. Those are points cuts down the field 110 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: significantly in terms of being able to go a points. 111 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: So yes, I would do it for Justin Tucker all 112 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: day every day. Now, people say, well, the value you 113 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: know you want offenses to go for it more, um, 114 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: And this would maybe discourage you to go for it 115 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: more because you have the presence of this kicker I'm 116 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: trying to find. I've been searching for it while you're 117 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: talking here because somebody posted like some of his numbers, um, 118 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: and it's like what he's done in terms of in 119 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: the final two minutes of games, his percentage over fifty yards, 120 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: his percentage like it's just it's insane. He's been consistent 121 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: throughout his entire career. So so let me so, let 122 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: me let me add this while you're looking for that, 123 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: because here's the thing. Uh, Justin Tucker went to Texas. 124 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: So a few years ago I wrote about him and 125 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: what I did is. I called some of the people 126 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: that were Texas when he was there. My strength coach, 127 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: mad Dog Madden was there with him, and they gave 128 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: me a little bit of who he is and what 129 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: he is. The first thing they talked about swagger. He 130 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: has a football player mentality. When we talk about kickers 131 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: sometimes they we always described them as, oh they can 132 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: be a little they a look different. My guys at 133 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: Texas told me note he had legitimate swagger. He approached 134 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: the game like a real football player. They said. He 135 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: did everything he wanted position players to do. He worked hard, 136 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: he was smart, he was technical when he came to 137 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: his craft. He understood the mechanics of kicking, but he 138 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: didn't overthink it. He simply lined up and made big kicks. 139 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: And then I think Justin Tucker made this point a 140 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: few years ago on Dan Patrick Show, when you talked 141 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: about the value of kickers, he said a lot of 142 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: people have this stigma that kickers aren't real football players. 143 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: If you look at every team in football and look 144 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: at the box score of each of their games and 145 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: added all up, the kicker is probably the leading scorer 146 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: in a game where points. When you want a guy 147 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: scoring point as a game evolved, you definitely will see 148 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: a kicker being the more integral part of the game 149 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: that was back in twos. Send the comment, well, it's 150 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: so hard to find a good kicker, man, and so 151 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: like I think Jay Feely was was surprisingly was against it. 152 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: He said no, he wouldn't do it. And he said, yeah, 153 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't draft one in the first round. To me, 154 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: those are two totally different conversations, totally different, and that's 155 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: why I like to me, I think sometimes when you 156 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: get into personnel conversations like it's it, there's it's different, 157 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: it's different ballparks like that has nothing to do with this. 158 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: This is a totally different conversation. This guy has a 159 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: long track record of being the elite, the best of 160 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: the best. And then the point was, well, even as 161 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 1: great as he is, the distance between him and maybe 162 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: the top other you know, nine to ten kickers is 163 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: not great enough to warn a first round pick. And 164 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here saying, yeah, nobody with a top ten 165 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: kicker would trade a first round pick for Justin Tucker. 166 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: But it's the team's with the bottom five kicker with 167 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: elite rosters. Here's my question, if you are picking in 168 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round. You have a ready 169 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: made team that is loaded, but you have a major 170 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: hole at that spot. And and this tells you right now, 171 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: this is the little final missing piece. And maybe you 172 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: could say of your success is attributed to the rest 173 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: of your roster, but he's that final one percent and 174 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: you hoist the trophy at the end of the year. 175 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: You have no problems watching somebody else select with the 176 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: thirty second pick. I can guarantee to you that no DJ. 177 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: And if you happen to be one of those teams 178 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: that's accumulated multiple picks, you have multiple first round picks, 179 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: you don't mind auction and offer first round pick for 180 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: a proven player. To me, this conversation is no different 181 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: than what we've talked about players over picks, what the 182 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: l A rams have done. I am willing to take 183 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: a proven m v P caliber player rather than what's 184 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: behind door number two on a game show. I know 185 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm giving with Justin Tucker. I've seen it 186 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: over a long period his sample size. It is a 187 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: wish enough that I feel good that each and every 188 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: year he's going to do it. DJ. The sixty was 189 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: a sixty three yard kick that he knocked down versus 190 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: Detroit is a game changer because you have to understand 191 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker not only changes the way that you call 192 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: the game on offense, he makes you change the way 193 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: you call a game on defense if you're the opponent, 194 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: because everybody is always asking from a defensive coordinated perspective 195 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: at the end of game, where is the field goal 196 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: range at? Where then range at? Whether we need to 197 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: stop them from getting to Well, now he expands the field, 198 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: which really condenses your play call sheet. I am I'm 199 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: more aggressive because I can't let them get to the 200 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: thirty five or a guy who can only make it 201 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: from forty two to forty five yards consistently, Well, now 202 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: that's twenty five yards. That ten yards matter in terms 203 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: of how we're doaling up the coverage, how we're handling 204 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: our two minute situations. Justin Tucker opens it up because 205 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: that Detroit game, I think Lamar Jackson completed one pass 206 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: or two passes. He completed two passes. He had art 207 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: battle fourth and nineteen, and then came back and hit 208 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: a hitch they tried. Justin Tucker there, he's not his 209 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: sixty three yard field goal between the uprights. That is huge. 210 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: So yes, I have no problems given up the first 211 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: round pick four approven kicker. Drafting one is different because 212 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: you don't know whether that yeah, you don't know what 213 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna get improving guy, even somebody that's had that's 214 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: had success for one or two years. I wouldn't do it. 215 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: But this guy is different man. So yeah, I mean, 216 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: I look again, it's not for every team, but I 217 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: guarantee you could find that that one situation where they'd say, okay, yeah, 218 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: this is you know, this can get us to where 219 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: we need to be. It's the final piece. And I look, 220 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: I can go through and I can find you. Lamar 221 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: Jackson was the thirty second you know pick, I can 222 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: find you, you know, home run picks there. But I 223 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: can also look through, like, let's go back to you 224 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: tell me would you trade these are the These are 225 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: the twenty nine Uh. The twenty nine pick was Isaiah Wilson, 226 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: who's on his third team. The thirtieth was Noah Igbonogamy 227 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: with the Dolphins. The thirty first pick was Jeff Gladen, 228 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: and then the thirty second pick was Clyde Edwards Hilaire. Okay, 229 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. The twenty nine pick was l J. Collier, 230 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: The thirtieth pick was DeAndre Baker, The thirty first pick 231 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: was Caleb McGarry. The thirty second pick was Nakil Harry. 232 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: Like when you start putting who has more impact on 233 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: your team with those guys or Tucker, When you start 234 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: putting names with picks, then it changes the way that 235 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: you look at it. When you read it off those 236 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: eight names in terms of who was picked twenty nine 237 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: thirty two, it changes because DJ, I would give you 238 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: afford those guys for Justin Tucker. You can take all 239 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: of them. You can take all those guys and give 240 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: me Justin Tucking, and I would be okay with that. 241 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: So yes, when you began to associate names and who 242 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: actually is picked versus what you would be bringing over, yes, 243 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: it makes sense. And once again I go back to 244 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: the RAMS model for how they build a team, when 245 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: they gave up two first round picks to get Jennen 246 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: Ramsey or what they gave up Matthew Stafford. I find 247 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: the player gold, pull up the names like I think 248 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: that was. I'm pretty sure that was. Like Caleb McGarry 249 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: was one of the players involved there, Like when you 250 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: start pulling up the names and you're like, wait a second, 251 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: if we did this today, no way would you trade 252 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: Jayla Ramsey for what the return was with those picks. 253 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: Not in a million years, right, And so that's the thing, 254 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: and I think that's what you have to understand. It 255 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: is nice and fantasy land to hoard all of these picks. 256 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: The hardest thing to do is to turn picks into players. Yeah, 257 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: so I don't know. I just think I get the 258 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: the argument of the value positional value, and that to 259 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: me is with the unknown of the draft. Heck, no, 260 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm not taking a kicker in the first round. I'm 261 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: not taking a kicker in the first three rounds, no chance, 262 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: because there's this it's an unknown. This dude isn't known. 263 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he is a long track record. And I 264 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: mean you can think about kick is the way that 265 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean people talk about franchise quarterbacks. I mean, kickers 266 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: can do this into their forties if they're I mean 267 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: Adam Ventari was old and gray and all of that 268 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: other stuff still kicking. Then it felled off at the end. 269 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: But I mean you're talking about having a twenty year 270 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: run if you have a really good kicker that takes 271 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: care of his body. Man, that's invaluable. I think Justin 272 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Tucker could probably get for another eight to nine years. 273 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: I would give up a first round pick for that 274 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: kind of longevity and stability at the position. Yeah. No, 275 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: and I may look, you can go through and I 276 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: can find you know, Lamar jack was Jackson was a 277 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: thirty second pick. I uh, I know T J. Watt 278 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: was picked right down there. This year. There was some 279 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: good players picked down there. Um, I'm not acting like 280 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: you're not gonna find great players there, but there's a 281 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: lot of other there's a lot of other misses. That's 282 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: a coin flip. Um, this is this is you know 283 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: exactly what kind of value you're getting here with that player. 284 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, not for everybody, but I could make a 285 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: strong argument it's for somebody. It is absolutely not for everybody, 286 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: but you definitely can make a strong guardment and an 287 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: argument that he is an m v P color player. 288 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: The only kicker to be an m v P was 289 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: Marked Mosley in Season and Night when You're knocking down. Yeah, anyway, 290 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: it's that was a fun discussion. Twitter went off on that, 291 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: so they had fun with it. I thought it was 292 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: a good topic. Um, all right, I want to get 293 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: to my thoughts and your thoughts on Tom Brady and 294 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: how he can keep this thing going. We're gonna do 295 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: that right after this, all right, bucks. So tom Brady 296 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: is having another m v P caliber year. I think 297 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: his numbers actually are beyond the numbers in previous m 298 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: VP seasons. So, um, he's playing at a ridiculously high level. 299 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't get a lot of attention, I think probably 300 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: because you know the probably, you know, absolutely his worst 301 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: game of the year, what's the one everybody watched going 302 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: back up to New England and nobody really pays attention 303 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: to the rest of their games. Just haven't been in 304 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: any marquet games. So um, his performance is going a 305 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: little bit under radar. But he's playing as well as 306 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: he's ever played. And it got me thinking, you know, 307 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: what do they need to do? What does Jason Light 308 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: need to do? Roster wise? That they've done a great 309 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: job thus far, but how do they keep this thing 310 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: rolling into the future? Uh too, maybe they can get 311 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Tom Brady at age fifty, who knows the way he's playing. No, 312 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: I think roster wise, here's what they need to do, 313 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: because I worry about what they're doing right now with him. 314 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: I'll worry about tom brady um falling off at the 315 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: end of the season because of usage. I am worried 316 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: about the number of your tims. I'm worried about the 317 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: yards that he's racking up and all that. I just 318 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: think you want to kind of preserve him. You know, 319 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: he should be the guy in the glass, you know, 320 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: likely breakout when needed. And so the first thing the 321 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: Buccaneers need to do is they need to make sure 322 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: they beef up their running games so they're able to 323 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: run the football and take some of the pressure off him. 324 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: I love all the weapons that they have on the outside, 325 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: but the easiest way to alleviate some of the pressure 326 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: on Tom Brady is to be able to call some 327 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: players we can turn around and hand it off and 328 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: have success four and five yards a carry. So that 329 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: is always making sure that you have a top notch 330 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: running back. You keep the offensive line and tech where 331 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: you're always fortifying the pieces in front of him, so 332 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: you can run the football effectively and make the game 333 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: very easy. Secondly, obviously you need to have pass catchers 334 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: and playmakers guys who um as we would say, are 335 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: catching run specialist guys and can catch it, scoot and 336 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: go so you can play the Dincon dunk game that 337 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: he prefers at this stage of his career. And then 338 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: I think the final thing is of those past catchers, 339 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: you need to have someone that can control the middle 340 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: of the field as a tied end. We've seen the affinity, 341 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: uh that he has for his tight end, Rob Gronkowski. 342 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: I always want to make sure that he has someone 343 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: with that kind of skill set in the middle of 344 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: the field. I know we're talking about chasing unicorns and 345 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, but I want to make sure he always 346 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: has one or two talented tight ends tight ends so 347 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: that he can throw the ball over the middle of 348 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: the field. It's the easiest throw for quarterbacks and then 349 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: he's fine. Yeah, you know, I think some of it 350 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: is kind of keeping that infrastructure in place around him. Um. 351 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: The nice thing is when you've got you know, Bruce 352 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: Arians kind of is the the offensive head of that team, 353 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: Byron Left, which has done a wonderful job that you 354 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: gotta imagine Left which is gonna get a job here. 355 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: So I don't anticipate he's gonna be around much longer. Um, 356 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: But with Arians, you know, having that offensive influence, he's 357 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: gonna be there. So that's the by Clyde Christensen is 358 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, for veteran quarterback coach. Clyde, I don't think, 359 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: as you know, I want to speak for him. I 360 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: don't think he has a desire to be a head coach. Um, 361 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: so he's not going anywhere. So you're gonna have that 362 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: infrastructure in place for him. I think the offensive line, man, 363 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: it's one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. 364 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: I think you hit it though, pay him, pay those guys, 365 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: and keep reinforcing it. Just just keep that rowing and 366 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: investing that offensive line with him, because even as they 367 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: have so many weapons and they're so good, they could 368 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: afford even to you know, if one of those if 369 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: Chris Godwin or Mike Evans or Antonio Brown, they lost 370 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: one of those guys, they'd be fine. Um. But I 371 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: think they do need to continue to fortify that offensive 372 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: line because Brady is gonna make all the skill guys better, um, 373 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: just by by the way that he plays. Um. But 374 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a key to me. It's just 375 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: don't don't let the offensive line fall off, and they 376 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: doesn't look like there's any signs of it, But I 377 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: think you've got to with Tom Brady invest there, maybe 378 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: more so than any other team. Yeah, I think you 379 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: have to do that, and I think you have to 380 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: convene to invest and that you talk by the offensive 381 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: line in a big part of it. It is the 382 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: biggest part of it, because older quarterbacks don't want to 383 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: get hit and they're not as mobile, so you got 384 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: to make sure that you keep the pocket clean right 385 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: in front of him. And so a lot of times 386 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: when we talk about positions um in terms of the 387 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: priority and how we prioritize them, normally guards kind of 388 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: fall down below. I think for Tom Brady, though, you 389 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: need to ensure that you're getting top notch guards because 390 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: for him, he wants to operate right in the middle 391 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: of the pocket, so he is in the eye of 392 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: the storm. And the only way you can make sure 393 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: that he is able to throw comfortably from the eye 394 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: of the storm is to make sure that the center 395 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: and the two guards right in front of him are 396 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: stout and sturdy. And so the investment is not only 397 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: in the tackles, but you need to make sure that 398 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: you have a level guards. Now, I think it when 399 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: you look at that and you say, Okay, you have 400 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: the offensive line, you have that run game, especially strong 401 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: up in the interior. The way he's playing, I guess 402 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: it will be a good litmus test you mentioned, you know, 403 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: does the usage is the usage? And issue will see 404 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: as we come down the end of the year. Man, 405 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: if he somehow maintains this level, there's nobody's slowing down 406 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: at all. Man, he's playing the best he's ever played. 407 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: It's insane. I know it is insane. I just worry 408 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: about low management. I worry about him down the stretch. Now. 409 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: I believe he did a great thing when he moved 410 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: from New England to Tampa, not just because of all 411 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: the other stuff, but because of the weather. So now 412 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about those uh, cold weather games. 413 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: He doesn't have to worry about, um, the ball not 414 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: flying as far because you know, cold weather knocks the 415 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: ball down. It doesn't know, you can't push it down 416 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: the field. But now he's playing in warm implement conditions. 417 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: He's ensured of having a ten or at leving games 418 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: uh in warm weather environments. Just because of his home 419 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 1: stadium and that of the division in which he plays, 420 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: things are lined up for him. So, I mean, there's 421 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: a reason why old people retire down in Florida. Joined 422 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: He certainly joined the trends so he could go and 423 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: have a lot of success as he hits the twilight 424 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: of his career. Now it's, man, what a fun What 425 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: a fun job though for Jason Light to have, you know, 426 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: Tom Brady at this point in time in his career, 427 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: and really, you know, you kind of get a chance 428 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: to preserve his legacy and build off of his legacy. 429 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about it a lot the 430 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: week of that New England game, But you know, the 431 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: conversation with him and Coach Belichick. He's in he's in 432 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: a position to have a lot more success in the 433 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: in the next few years, and the coach Belichick is 434 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: so no, I know, man, And and a lot of 435 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: the success that I used to attribute to Coach Belichick, 436 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: he certainly does deserve some. Man, when you talk about 437 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: not only just what Brady was able to do on 438 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: the field, but the thing that the culture thing might 439 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: matter more that your best player was willing to acquiesce 440 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: to demands of the coach. That was a very demanding program. 441 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: Because Tom Brady brought in, everybody else brought in, And 442 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: I wonder if the New England Patriots are going to 443 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: be the NFL's version of the San Antonio Spurs where 444 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: when Tim Duncan left, everything fell apart, and even though 445 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: we celebrated the greatness of great Popovitch, he has not 446 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: been able to put Humpty Dumpty back together. Check have 447 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: the same thing where Humpty Dumpty just land there with 448 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: his legs. He just he just can't put it together. 449 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Because maybe, and I'm guilty the other maybe we should 450 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: have given Tom Brady more credit for just holding it 451 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: together as the leader of the team, much like Tim 452 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: Duncan didn't San Antonio for years, no doubt. And before 453 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: we move on and get to coach Chadwell in that interview, 454 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: a couple of things that came up with that I 455 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 1: found fascinating digging through all the next gen numbers for 456 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: this this Thursday night game, looking at the Bucks offense. 457 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: You know, we we've talked about with Coach Billy going 458 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: back gosh ten plus years, and we've been having these 459 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: conversations about about the basketball team with wide receivers, build 460 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: a different skill sets. Man, it shows itself up in 461 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: the next gen numbers. Because Mike Evans is that power forward, 462 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: they isolate him more than any other receiver in the NFL. 463 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: So they get him and three by one and get 464 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: him all by himself one on one. He's got nine 465 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: touchdowns when he's been isolated over the last two years. 466 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: That's four more than any other player in the league. 467 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: They do it a lot once they get inside the 468 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 1: red zone and they just find those one on one 469 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: matchups and they just let him be big, Like, just 470 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: just be big. That's all you gotta do. Be big. 471 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: So he's a power forward. Then you look at Antonio Brown. 472 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and his just release is the second high. 473 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: He's got the second fastest release in the league. So 474 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: how is that calculated? Well, that's getting to top speed 475 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: within one second. So he gets the eight point eight 476 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: point nine three miles power within one second. Um So, 477 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: he's got that suddenness, that burst that point guard. Um 478 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: he gives you that action. Of his routes have been 479 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: either goes, um hitch or hitches. So he's got goes 480 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: the routes. And so to me, it's it's just interesting 481 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: kind of how that speed has to be honored and respected. 482 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: Um So he kind of is that that point guard. 483 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: And then you get to Okay, who's kind of the 484 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: all around player. I guess was what we make this 485 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: like a shooting guard or a small forward. Um, but 486 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: that's god One. God One runs every kind of route imaginable, 487 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: so his route tree is much more diverse than anybody 488 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: else in their group. So, UM, I thought that was 489 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty fascinating how he's used. Um. 490 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: So when I look at this and I'm writing this down, 491 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: I think what you just described to me a little 492 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: bit in a way, I'm looking at maybe a version 493 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: of the Brooklyn Nets, where I have Mike Evans is 494 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, the ISO guy that you get the ball 495 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: to on the block, you get out the way, you 496 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: let him go and work you Antonio Brown acting as Kyrie, 497 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: the scoring point guard who can go get buckets whenever 498 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: he needs to one on one. You cannot stay in 499 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: front of him. Too quick, yeah, too quick. And then 500 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: you have Chris Godwin, who I guess is acting as 501 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: James Harden, who can kind of do it all because 502 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: his role changes based on what the team needs. If 503 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: he needs to go and get thirty, he can put 504 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: up a thirty berg if he needs to go and 505 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: give you fifteen assists. He can do all of those things. 506 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: And so when you think about how they're using their 507 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: version of a basketball team, man, they have a lot 508 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: of weapons and they can attack you in a variety 509 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: of different ways. Um, here's the number. I found the 510 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: number on god one for you here. So Godwin has 511 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: gained a hundred and fifty plush yards on nine different 512 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: routes since twenty nineteen. So he's got four five yards 513 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: on posts, he's got three six yards outs, three d 514 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: thirty yards on hitches, two hundred eighty nine yards on screens, 515 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty seven yards on crossers, two hundred 516 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: fifty nine yards on goes, a hundred eighty one yards 517 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: on corners, a hundred and seventy four yards on en routes, 518 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: and a hundred sixty eight yards on slants. So he's 519 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: got everything open to him, which is kind of fast. 520 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: And you think of all the weapons they have, he's 521 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: clearly the most complete receiver that they have is god One, 522 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: who's running everything. Whereas you're gonna isolate like he's like 523 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: we've been talking about with Mike, and then you're gonna 524 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: let Antonio Brown be the blur. You know, he is 525 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: the blur. Oh, I think, and that's fascinating. I thought 526 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: that was really interesting. That's why, like the next gen 527 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: stuff fascinating to me. Like that you dig into it, 528 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: you really kind of get a picture that puts numbers, 529 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: took some of your thoughts. Yeah, I think you created 530 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: a little notebook at him. That's a that's a good one. 531 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: That's what I love. What I think I think, I 532 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: think I think that is that is fascinating. I think 533 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: that's fascinating about Chris Godwin in the nine different routes. Like, 534 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: to me, that is that has been in is because 535 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: that is a very complete wide receiver from a defensive backstandpoint. 536 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: When we do to breakdown DJ old school wise, you know, 537 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: because you have the next stats, we used to sit 538 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: there and have to do the route. So what you 539 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: would do is you would chart every route that the 540 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: receiver ran and you would make a red dot on 541 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: those that were catches. You make an open circle on 542 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: those that were incomplete, and what you would get is 543 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: kind of like this graph where you could just see 544 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: where they catch the ball and where they're getting on 545 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: their thing. Chris Godlands would be all over the map, 546 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: Mike Evans would be in one isolated spot where he's 547 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: only doing a handful of things. And in Antonio Brown, uh, 548 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: very similar. And what you do is you build your 549 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: defensive plan to stop where the ball is going and 550 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: to whom and so uh that's why the Buccaneers are 551 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: so tough because Chris god would make disappear game to 552 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: game in terms of like his utilization. But he's always 553 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: a prominent part because he can do everything, and he's 554 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: kind of the glue to the receiver corps because he 555 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: is the stable guy that can do everything. Yeah, and 556 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: you think about it, like one of the things I 557 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: was thinking of. Okay, you know they want to go 558 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: to Mike when they get in those isolated opportunities, isolated situations. 559 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: So to me, if you're looking at it defensively, you 560 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: probably have a pretty good idea based off leverage. And 561 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: I watched all the cut ups of all these plays. Um, 562 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: you know his route is going to be determined by 563 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: the leverage of the corner. So in other words, I'm 564 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: gonna play inside leverage and you're and you're soloed up, 565 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: especially down the red zone. You're gonna get fade ball 566 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: after fade ball after fade ball. So you have to 567 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: decide which route are you more comfortable trying to defend. 568 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: You know, is it going to be the aunt, is 569 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: it going to be the fate? Like those are pretty 570 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: much the big two that you're gonna get down there. 571 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: So to me, I can say, okay, I can spend 572 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: the whole week saying Okay, we're gonna be in this 573 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: leverage and guess what you're gonna do a practice all week. 574 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: You're just gonna defend one fade ball after another after another, 575 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: after another after another after another, like because then you 576 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: can kind of you can kind of somewhat determine what's 577 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: coming right now, whether or not you can do anything 578 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: about it. I mean, that's that's a different thing. But 579 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: from a preparation standpoint, that gives you a chance right 580 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: to know, here's where the ball is probably going, because 581 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: it's it's about eliminating things, you know, it's probability. So okay, 582 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: well now it's three one one situation. Mike Evans is 583 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: on the backside, what are we thinking slant dig comeback? Well, 584 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: I can throw out all the other stuff, but ks 585 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: here are the routes that he he runs and here's 586 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: where he's getting his catches. To me, that's smart and 587 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: that's what you will here. Smart coordinators always talk about 588 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: eliminating the things that they don't do, folks in on 589 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: the top two or three things that they do, and 590 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: making sure we take care of that and we will 591 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: react to the other stuff. Let's we act to the 592 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: other stuff and make sure that we get us out. Yeah. 593 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: I was talking to a coach the other day and 594 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: talking about how an interior and interior defensive linement was 595 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: getting loose and they were getting them a lot of 596 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: one on ones, and the point was, yeah, well, we 597 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: know we can determine a little bit by where we 598 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: place our mic, where the mic call is going to be, 599 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: and where protection is going to slide. So you think 600 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: about finding one on ones with Mike Evans and isolating him. 601 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: Teams are doing that with their pass rush as well, 602 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, okay, how can we set how 603 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: can we force protections to go in certain directions with 604 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: how we line up so that we can get one 605 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: on ones with with our guys as well. So that's 606 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: the matchup stuff. I think it's just so fun about 607 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: this league. Man. No, it's look, it's it's about that. 608 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: It's about matchups. It's about having the right players and 609 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: putting them in the right positions where they can be successful. 610 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: That's what the great coaches doing. That's how the great 611 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: teams win. All Right, buck h man, this is this 612 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: is a conversation I think everybody's really going to enjoy. 613 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: We've talked about at the top of the show. One 614 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 1: of the bright young stars in the coaching world and 615 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: really just an awesome dude to catch up with. I 616 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: think you guys are gonna really dig this. Here's our 617 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: chat with Jamie Chadwell. All right, Box, excited to have 618 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: them with us here. Coach, thanks so much for for 619 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: taking the time for us today. I guess the first 620 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: question is, uh, you know, you come off the seat 621 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: and you guys had last year incredibly successful. How have 622 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: you guys have been able to take that success last 623 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: year and build on it this season? Well, I think 624 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: the big challenge we had was, um, we have a 625 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: lot of people coming back, and you worry about complacency. Uh, 626 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: And you know you think you just roll the ball 627 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: out him, you're good. But our our mindset of our 628 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: our our team, especially the super seniors that came back, 629 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: and they still got something to prove and a chip 630 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: on our shoulder, and we're off to a great start. 631 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: We obviously know our schedule getting tougher as we go forward, 632 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: but their mentality has been great and they have not 633 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: let our young players at all think it's about just 634 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: rolling the ball out. It's about the work that we 635 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: put in and the mindset we use. So I've been 636 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: pleased with that as as far as from a head 637 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: coach standpoint. You know, coach, one of the things that 638 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: we always a curious about is when you're a team builder, 639 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: building your team to beat either the teams in your 640 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: conference or the teams that you know you're gonna have 641 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: to place down the down the line, how did you 642 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: go about doing that at Coast to Carolina, building the 643 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: team that you knew that could withstand the heat of 644 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: dealing with some of the heavyweights that you knew you're 645 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: gonna face down the line. Well, you know, when when 646 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: when I took over here that the teams to beat 647 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: in our league were at State in Louisiana, and they're 648 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: all they're both built, very built, very similar to each other, 649 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: and so our mindset was, if we can put a 650 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: team together that compete against those two, we can compete 651 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: against him buy in our league. So everything that we 652 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: did was to to put the best our past team 653 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: together to help us play against those guys and that 654 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: and those type of environments. Uh. And it's taken us 655 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: a while obviously, uh, you know, to get there, but 656 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: we figured, if you know, if you take your top 657 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: best teams and you build your program to beat those, 658 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: then you feel like you'll have a chance every year. 659 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: And that was our mindset when we took over coach 660 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: our Our good buddy, UM David Shaw would always talk about, 661 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: uh Stanford program. Intellectual brutality was his freezing he liked 662 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: to use with how they played. When I watch you guys, 663 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: I just kind of to me, it's like, it's the 664 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: brutality still there, but there's a creativity to it, um 665 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: that that you guys have added to the mix. I'm 666 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: just curious about your guys process. When you guys are 667 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: putting this, putting a plan together for a game, you know, 668 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: how collaborative is that? And and and where are you 669 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: guys coming up with all these amazing ideas you guys 670 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: have been able to put together Well. I like that 671 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: that coach Shall used. I don't know if we can 672 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: use intellectual down here with their bullets, but that's another 673 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: time for place. But you know, we we we uh, 674 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: we work together offensively obviously in the very collaborative of 675 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. Everything that we do. That 676 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: when we go into game plan, the first thing we 677 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: do is, uh, how are they going to offend what 678 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: we do instead of the other way we try. We're 679 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: gonna run these things and they better line up the 680 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: way to defend our certain plays option play principles. If 681 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: they don't, we're gonna be able to you know, move 682 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: the ball. And then after that and then we get, hey, 683 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: who how do we want to get a match up 684 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: with Isaiah Likeley or Javon Hilly or or whoever it 685 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: may be. That everything starts from that run game, Uh, 686 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: those key plays in a run game and trying to 687 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: force people to line up a certain way to it 688 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: to defend it, and then build off of that. And 689 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: then each week, you know, I give our coordinator's credit. 690 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, they get they get more creative as far 691 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: as ways to whether it's formations or shifts, whatever, it 692 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: may be to hide the same stuff, but put our 693 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: guys in positions to make plays and and and they're 694 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: having lots of success doing that. You know, coach, I 695 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: grew up in there where option football was I mean 696 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: we all grew up in there where option football was key. 697 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: Like it was just the way you went about it, 698 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: whether it was triple option from the eye, whether it's 699 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: doing the stuff that you see Oklahoma do it. Why 700 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: is the option so baked into what you guys do 701 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: down at Coast? Well, I think one, uh, you know, 702 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: it's an equalizer. When I first started in two thousand nine, 703 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: I took over a Division two program that had seventeen 704 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: scholarships in the thirty six scholarship elite. And so if 705 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: you were doing whatever was doing and so one, it 706 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: was one. It was out of necessity to try to win. 707 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a stack guy, and the only stat thing 708 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: I care about is the wins and losses, and so 709 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's pretty ugly whatever. Uh uh. 710 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: You gotta find a way to win. And and I 711 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: had experience with that in college, and I felt like, hey, 712 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: this would give us a chance and maybe level the 713 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: play and field if I couldn't do it from a 714 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: scholarship standpoint, how can I do it out there? To 715 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: try to give our guys at least a fighting chance. 716 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: And then as you develop it and you go forward 717 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: with it, you get better players with it. You still see, hey, 718 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: it still helps you level that playing field. When we 719 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: took over here, uh, from a scholarship standpoint, we're you know, 720 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: eighty five. We were really only at seventy when we 721 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: first took over. We made that jump at fifteen is 722 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: hard to make up over three or four year period. Uh, 723 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: And so that still was able allowed us to try 724 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: to at least compete on a level playing field. And 725 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: then as you go forward, you sort of stick to 726 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: what you know, you know, and um, that's something that 727 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: we've been doing now since I guess twelve years and 728 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: AND's and it's and it's worked with us, and so uh, 729 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: I try. I'm a big believer. You gotta change, you 730 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: gotta adapt. I believe that wholeheartedly. But I think you 731 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: gotta have some base foundation that you believe in wholeheartedly, uh, 732 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: and that you're never gonna change. You might, you might 733 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: tweak it, um, but that's who we are, and that's 734 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: how we live, and that's how we've had success, at 735 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: least from a standpoint of building a program. Coach, I 736 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: don't know if you can tell him, but Bucky Brooks 737 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: is a North Carolina tar. Heell to be able to 738 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: share the screen with two SoCon quarterbacks right now, it 739 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: takes it. It takes his vibe and his energy to 740 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: a whole, a whole different level. Back. Yeah, I was 741 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: on the bench. I was. I was on the bench. 742 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: Jeremy was a lot better than you know. I was 743 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: on the bench a good bit too. Now, Coach, we remember. 744 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: I know all about the SoCon because when I was 745 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, we played firm and we played teams 746 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: in the so Kind. So I understand. I got a 747 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: great deal of respect for the so Kind. I understand 748 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: what's going on. So I've kind of missing. I mean, 749 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad to see all these you know, the programs 750 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: are all elevating, gone to this new level. I kind 751 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 1: of miss the old Sakond. It's a good football, well, 752 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: you know in this league. I mean, if you think 753 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: about this league from the Georgia Southern and you have State, 754 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: you know they run up the Sun Belt. Done well, 755 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: so coach, I refed I called Charger games, and Brandon 756 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: Staley has gotten a lot of attention because he's gone 757 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: for all these fourth downds and I'm like, hey, coach, 758 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: is amazing. This has been fun to watch. But I mean, 759 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: go watch Wofford back in the late nineties. Man, they've 760 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: been doing that for a long time. That's uh. You 761 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: know when when when it gets to the big level NFL, 762 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: everybody thinks, oh man, this guy. No, just it happens 763 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: all the time at small levels, nobody pays attention to them. Yeah, 764 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this innovation. I guess 765 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: it's not really innovation. It's been going on for a 766 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: long time. But I was talking to coaches that they 767 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: were getting ready to play the Cowboys and Kellen Moore 768 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: is done a great job with their offense. And one 769 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,959 Speaker 1: of the things they said he's done a nice job 770 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: of is its varying tempo. A lot of times we 771 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: classify people as an up tempo team or people that 772 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: slow it down. They said, from a pass rush standpoint, 773 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: you don't get in a good rhythm or a field 774 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: because one time it's twenty seconds on the play clock, 775 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: then there's two seconds, then ten seconds. I mean he's 776 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: constantly varying the tempo. What are the different ways you 777 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: can use tempo coach at the collegiate level to give 778 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: yourself an advantage. Well, that's a that's an interesting uh 779 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: take there that you know I hadn't heard, But that 780 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense to me. You know 781 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: for us now, typically if you look at our past, 782 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: we're we're we're um an up tempo getting the line 783 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. But we sat the slope, you know, we 784 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: usually been very high in time of position. Uh, And 785 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: I think what the challenges You know, you get a 786 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: lot of people who want to go fast as they 787 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: can and they don't care whether they're fishing not. Eventually 788 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna get so many more plays. And where you now, 789 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: we're sort of opposite. We try to be as ficient 790 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: when we can. You know, the most places we've reran 791 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: this whole year sixty three. You know, if you if 792 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: you look at some other teams, I mean sixty three, 793 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: that's probably through three quarters or something. But we do 794 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: have the opportunity if we want to go a little faster. 795 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: Here there were snap it with thirty or snap it 796 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: with ten. I think that that's the great thing the 797 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: beauty of of college football is because you get so 798 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: many different way people use tempo, and I think if 799 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: you look at it, there's very few now that actually 800 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: you just go fast all the time. There's a lot 801 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: that try to use it occasionally sprinkling in, but everybody's 802 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: trying to be a little bit more fit. It's the 803 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: analytics at the moneyball thing right from baseball. Um. But 804 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: that's something I think, truthfully, out of necessity, we always 805 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: went slow because it was another thing when you had 806 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: seven things s college, if you try to keep your 807 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: defense off the but you know, and so you sort 808 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: of fall into that. But uh, it's been it's been 809 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: good for us, but more on the opposite end of 810 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: being more lower and limiting opportunities for the opposing team. 811 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: You know, Coach, is funny that you brought it up, 812 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: because one of the things I'm always curious about is 813 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: like the complimentary football deal and so people will say 814 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: that to play great defense you need to play less defense, 815 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: fewer snaps. So what does it take to play great 816 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: defense in today's college football land scale, Well, that's challenge, 817 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 1: you know, I mean used to you if you hold 818 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: somebody a certain number of points and all this thing. 819 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: I think now it's based off stops really, because as 820 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: good as offenses are, I think you go in and saying, hey, 821 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: how many stops can I get? And I hope my 822 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: offense is good enough to get you know, more points 823 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: for us? Uh we And you mentioned complimentary. I'm big. 824 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in that. If we're playing somebody 825 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: that know it's explosive I've got to make We'll use 826 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: our B y U game last year for example. We 827 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: know how good they are. Obviously there guys the number 828 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: two picking the draft. They have some good players. We 829 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: knew if we gave them the ball a bunch they 830 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: were gonna score on us, and so we kept it 831 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: for forty two minutes. You know, that's complimentary football. They 832 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: are defense, didn't give up any big plays that made 833 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: them earn it, and at the end of the day, 834 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: we kept the ball away from them and we got 835 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: a big win. To me, that's great defense. Other times, 836 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: other times it's if a team is. If a team is, 837 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: you know they're a high pace and they can score, 838 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: how many stops can we get? I think it's more 839 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: to me more than yardage more than points. It's it's 840 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: it's about just getting the number of stops and letting 841 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: your offense have the opportunity to score. Uh, it's hard 842 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: to play with all the rules nowadays, it's hard to 843 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: play phenomenal defense. I mean you you see what happened 844 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: Alabama this last weekend, and they're supposedly always really really 845 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: good at defensive. You know, it's challenging, but uh, the 846 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: compliment you how whatever it takes to win the game, 847 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: I think is the most important aspect of playing a 848 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: great defense. And hopefully your offense has taken care of 849 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: the ball and limit your opportunities that you're out there, coach. 850 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: Last question from me, man, I appreciate taking some time 851 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: for us today, Um to get this program where you 852 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: guys are a top fifteen program in the country right now. Um, 853 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: what what meat is left on the bone here for 854 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina? What is there left to do here? Well, 855 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the main thing for us is 856 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: we we don't want to be one hit wonder I 857 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: compared it earlier to Vanilla ice. Man. I love ice ice, baby, 858 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: And so I think for us is is we want 859 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: to prove that we have lasting, staying power. You know, 860 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: you want to be you want to be a program 861 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: that every year people come and say, hey, that's a 862 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: team that's consistent. They play the right, but they play hard, 863 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be a threat to win their league 864 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: every year. And to me, that's what we're still building. 865 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: You know, we had obviously the great year and we're 866 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: off to a good start right now. But you know, 867 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: I think this story is still being written, and we 868 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: gotta have another good year and put that back to back, 869 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,760 Speaker 1: and then once you do that, then you start becoming 870 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: a programmer. People know, hey, that's a program that's always 871 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: up there that you gotta watch out for. And to me, 872 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to build. I was, I said, 873 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: that was the last question. I need to follow up 874 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: real quick. Did you ever see cool as Ice? By 875 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: the way, the movie I'm a nastase guy man, Yeah, 876 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: he dropped zero and get with the hero. There we 877 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: go throw one in top bouncing coach. I appreciate your 878 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: commitment to your team, but all I don't know if 879 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: a coach, if I could go all the way out 880 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: love I love, I don't even suppose the light coach. 881 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: I'm an Abstate guy. I can't help but like it. Man. 882 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: Here I thought you might trying to give away some 883 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: secrets before they go no, no, coach, Hey, man, I 884 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: have nothing but respect. Man. Going back to those playing games, 885 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: it's funny to see all the quarterbacks from that era. Right, 886 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: we're in the SoCon all you going out to be 887 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: coaching coaching eight payers up obviously done there and and 888 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: so it's a it's a. It's crazy. We have the 889 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: faces for radio and not good enough to play in 890 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: the NFL. So that's probably good, right. I took the 891 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: easy way out, man, I took the easy way out. Hey, 892 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: best of luck the rest of the season minus one game, coach. 893 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 1: But I appreciate your time, man, I appreciate you. Thank you. Buck. 894 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: He's awesome. Man. The mullet is amazing. I'm always um. 895 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: You know what, let me get your thoughts on this, 896 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: because you can talk about the traits of leaders, right. 897 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 1: One of the underrated traits of leaders to me is 898 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: is self deprecation. You know, Like, I think that's underrated. 899 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: You can be confident and believe in yourself, but also 900 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: be able to kind of laugh at yourself a little 901 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: bit as well. I think that to me is I'd 902 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: rather that's the type of leader I want to be around. 903 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: Is some way to take himself too serious to take 904 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 1: Did you take the work seriously but don't take yourself 905 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: too seriously? Yeah? I think for Jamie Chewy like it 906 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: is funny DJ because I was sitting there the early 907 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: part of the interview and I'm trying to look and 908 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, what is that with his hair? Is that? 909 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: Is that really really a mullet? And so I'm glad 910 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: he brought that up so I didn't have to ask 911 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: him about the bullet. But you know, his leadership ability 912 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: to me really really stands out. Um, he's very confident 913 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: in what he's doing. I love that he has something 914 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: that he can lean on when he talks about the 915 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: option system. But I also love that he is innovative 916 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: and willing to allow his coaches to kind of push 917 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: the envelope. When you look at this team, obviously they 918 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: throw a lot at you, and to prepare for them 919 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: in a week to me would be a headache, a 920 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: nightmare that um, you have to get ready for. But 921 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: they're good. Man, he's good. He's done a really really 922 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: good job, and you wonder how long it's Coast to 923 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: Carolina going to be able to retain him because he 924 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: is a hot game and he has a lot of 925 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: things that he could offer any program. Yeah, I think 926 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: sometimes I don't know if the grass is always greener. 927 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 1: I know people send the level of the level of 928 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: of of playoff. You want to go test yourself against 929 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: the best. But I mean, man, I just he he 930 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: talked about the fact with the number of scholarships they 931 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: had when he started there. I mean, he was there 932 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: at the ground floor of this thing, and like, there's 933 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: there's some type of ownership that he has there that 934 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: he will never get anywhere else. So I'm sure you 935 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: know he's gonna they'll throw so much money at him 936 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: he won't be able to turn it down. But man, 937 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to do a bad life either though, to 938 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: just sit I'm gonna coach this team for thirty five years. Yeah, 939 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: because to me, sometimes man I think about it. Um, 940 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: there's some jobs that our legacy jobs, right, Um, I 941 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: call them statue jobs that you take this job, you 942 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: stay in this job, at some point, they're gonna build 943 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: a statue in your honor because of the work that 944 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: you've done at this at this program. He is in 945 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: one of those situations where man, he he is in 946 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: a great job with Coastal Carolina and DJ like, we 947 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 1: all are very competitive, but the pressure Coast to Carolina is. Man, 948 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: if they're relevant on a high national level every three 949 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: or four years, it's pretty good, pretty good game. Just 950 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: kind of hang. I mean, I wonder, I wonder if 951 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: I wanted if you go back and I know coach 952 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: Peterson had success going to watching, but if you could 953 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: go back to all these guys that that Boise that 954 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,240 Speaker 1: had left, and I think you could say the same 955 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,479 Speaker 1: before Mark Few at at Gonzaga, Dan Munson, these guys 956 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: that moved on. Um, maybe looking back on I'd be like, 957 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I could have just been at Gonzaga 958 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,959 Speaker 1: and one after year after year after year, Charlie Strong 959 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: and Louisville. Yeah, No, he had a great thing going 960 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: had had a great thing going there. I mean, you know, 961 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: like some of those things. And so sometimes when you 962 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: talk about the grass is always greener, I mean, the 963 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: check is big. The check was big that you get 964 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: and you have to take that in consideration. But man, 965 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: sometimes you worry about the work life. You know something 966 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: somebody asked me. Somebody asked me about a job that 967 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: I had turned down several years ago, and the I 968 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: don't know, it wasn't even I've never given much thought 969 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: to this phrasing, but it's kind of My immediate response was, 970 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: you know what, if you're happy, why are you looking 971 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: for happier like you're already happy? Why are you trying 972 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 1: to be happier? Like you're good? You're good, you're good. 973 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: You find the right spot, the right people who get 974 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 1: the right um support system in place. Yeah? Good? Yeah, 975 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: what are we doing? Yeah? And so that's what's interesting 976 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: about some of these jobs that have come up at 977 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: the end of the year. Man, it's it's it's great 978 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: and he looks great. And do I want to do 979 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: other work if I have something to stablish? You do 980 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: want to about how you wanna be challenged in life? 981 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: I get that you want to be challenged and that 982 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: there's something to that, for sure. It's also something to say, 983 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: you know what I've I've done a hard, hard part, 984 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: done the hard the hard part. I build it up. Ye. 985 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I need to continue to keep 986 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: doing all the building. Yeah, I mean I look at 987 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: I look at the you know, the gonzagas in the 988 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: basketball world, the boys, he's in the football world like 989 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: those those are those are good jobs, man, good jobs. 990 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: So anyways, we'll see, we'll see what he end up doing. 991 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: But man, he's fun. He's fun to talk to in 992 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: a great dude man. Anything else you want to add 993 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: before we get out here? Buck, No, make sure you 994 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: catch us. Uh tonight gets us Thursday night Amazon Twitch. Uh, 995 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: we wanna Scouts feed on Amazon Prime. Uh, DJ myself 996 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: Joy Taylor just having a ton of fun. Yeah, it's 997 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: a blast, I really do. I hope you guys will 998 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: join us there if you haven't already, drop a rating 999 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: and review for us on the Apple Podcast. We appreciate those. 1000 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: And remember the TV show. Um, you can catch Bucky myself. 1001 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: Reet Lewis joins us every Monday, NFL Network. That's three 1002 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: pm Eastern to move the Sticks TV show. Uh, you 1003 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,919 Speaker 1: can catch us out there. But anyways, thank you guys 1004 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: for hanging I hope you guys had a lot of fun. 1005 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: I wish you guys a wonderful football weekend. Enjoy it. 1006 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: The weather is starting to cool off a little bit. 1007 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm heading the Baltimore for a fun Chargers, Ravens Games 1008 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,479 Speaker 1: a great NFL slate and we'll break it all down 1009 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: for you next Monday. So appreciate you, guys. We'll see 1010 00:45:47,640 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: you next time. Right here on move the sticks. He 1011 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: has got to love