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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lully.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt uh Well, I'm

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Speaker 3: here my final day at the Senior Bowl. I'll be

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Speaker 3: flying tomorrow house.

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Speaker 1: Weather back in Pittsburgh not bad at all.

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Speaker 2: It's very clear, nice out right now. I mean a

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Speaker 2: little bit crisp in the air. But welcome you home.

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Speaker 2: Good travel weather.

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Speaker 1: For you good. I'm glad to hear that.

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Speaker 3: I hate coming home in the rain or something like that,

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Speaker 3: and then you could have walked in your car and

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Speaker 3: do all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, he's got great weather for Senior Bowl week.

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Speaker 2: I mean sometimes we really did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there have been some other times when you know,

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Speaker 3: there's been heavy rain or you know, things of that

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Speaker 3: nature that you know that really kind of screw up

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Speaker 3: the practices.

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Speaker 1: Well, they had none of that here this week.

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Speaker 3: And man, we've gotten to see some uh some impressive

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Speaker 3: athletes down here for this one.

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Speaker 2: And I.

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Speaker 1: Still my man crush.

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Speaker 3: I gotta tell yeah, it's still there, and it's gotten

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Speaker 3: even more so. How about this little nugget on Jackson

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Speaker 3: Powers Johnson the Center out of Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Did you know he just turned twenty one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, he's super young. I mean that's one

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Speaker 2: of the the only knocks on him is he doesn't

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Speaker 2: have a ton of playing experience because he's an underclassman

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Speaker 2: and he's super young, you know, I mean, what's he

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Speaker 2: supposed to do? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And he actually in twenty twenty one was a backup

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman and then switched to the defensive line for

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Speaker 3: the Alamo Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I just turned that today too. I mean, that's how

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Speaker 2: athletic he is. Is he could fill in here and

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Speaker 2: there on defense for a team like Oregon, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's not a MAX school or something like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he played at.

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Speaker 3: But right, Yeah, and so it made the switch back

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Speaker 3: to the offensive line in twenty twenty two and basically

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Speaker 3: became their starting center just this year, but still won

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Speaker 3: the Remington Award trophy is the top center in college football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we can sing his praises all day.

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Speaker 2: And one thing I noted, really noted about him is

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Speaker 2: the negative column, when you look at strengths and weaknesses,

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Speaker 2: is pretty empty. Like I have a hard time coming

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Speaker 2: up with much. I mean, wish his arms are a

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Speaker 2: I mean like for like one arm stab moves and

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Speaker 2: things like that, but inexperience. But that's not really his fault.

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Speaker 2: We just talked about that. And it's funny this happens

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Speaker 2: every year about this time of years. We get more

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Speaker 2: familiar with these players, especially Senior Bowl and especially if

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Speaker 2: you're down there. But you'd love to kind of figure

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Speaker 2: out a way how could the Steelers get him the

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Speaker 2: corner from Toledo and Geiton, you know, like kind of

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Speaker 2: what of all at twenty you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if well, I mean you could have done that

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Speaker 3: if you had an extras draft cattle mm hm.

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Speaker 1: You know, you would have had a shot to make

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Speaker 3: But you don't this year, right, and so you're gonna

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Speaker 3: you get a kind of trying to pick your spots.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be an interesting dynamic, you know when we

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Speaker 3: when we look at this draft, because honestly, after after

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Speaker 3: seeing the Senior Bowl practices this week and continuing to study, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know this this draft in particular, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: gets ten plus offensive lineman taken in the first runt

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we know a lot of tackles are

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Speaker 2: going to go and when in doubt tackles go anyway

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Speaker 2: this year, there's not much doubt, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just how many will end up landing. And now

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Speaker 2: that the center is in the mix, I mean that

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Speaker 2: was not unforeseen, but I mean a bit of a shock,

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Speaker 2: at least to me. A month ago, I would have said,

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Speaker 2: no interior offensive lineman, and now it looks like one's

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Speaker 2: got a really good chance. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: landing spots right around where the Steelers pick, like Miami

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Speaker 2: or Dallas that I'm sure would love to have them too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also I mean there's there's a couple of

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Speaker 3: the kid from from Washington, Uh yeah, Duke Duke Kid

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Speaker 2: Everybody needs them. Everybody needs them, You're right, And I'm

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Speaker 2: intrigued to some of these tackles like Paul and Geion

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Speaker 2: when we get to Indie. I mean, they're gonna do

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Speaker 2: some crazy things there. I mean some of the some

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Speaker 2: of their changing direction at six seven, they're jumps certainly forties.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I bet there's some extreme testers. And the

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Speaker 2: dude from Byu whose name I can't say very well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna be really impressive there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I've tried to watch, you know,

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Speaker 3: My eyes just keep getting drawn to the offensive lineman

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Speaker 3: that that's where the talent, real talent is at. But

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Speaker 3: there's been some other guys that you know that I've watched,

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Speaker 3: you know, have jumped out of me a little here.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I watched Sioni Vaki, some kid for

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Speaker 1: Utah and they used to someone offense.

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Speaker 3: Here at the Senior Bowl as well, and he has

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Speaker 3: that in his background. But he's really sudden as a

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Speaker 3: and he closes fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just under six feet two hundred and

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Speaker 2: eleven pounds more of the strong safety yeah, mold. But boy,

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Speaker 2: he's not just a throw in on offense. I mean

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Speaker 2: he has a lot of production there as a receiver

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Speaker 2: and a ball carrier. Real sudden mover, as you said, explosive, throws,

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Speaker 2: his weight around, takes on the run, has ranged to

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Speaker 2: wonder how his stock's only going to go up to

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Speaker 2: you know, like I wonder does he sneak into the

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Speaker 2: first round in a year that we thought no safety

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Speaker 2: lurking there in the second round for the Seilers possibly

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Speaker 2: maybe even falls farther hard one they judge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just think because of that position,

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Speaker 3: to be difficult so many good big men for some

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Speaker 3: of these defensive backs to take it into that first round,

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Speaker 3: especially at safety, yes one percent.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of corners that aren't there that

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Speaker 2: whether the Steelers get involved or not, how many quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: I've been impressed with the Tulane kid. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 3: think he's bad. Yeah, yeah, Michael Michael Pratt is you know,

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Speaker 3: I could see him being a late day guy, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: somewhere in the third round and you know, eventually becoming

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Speaker 3: a starter in the NFL. I don't know that he

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Speaker 3: you know, he's not going to start right out out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know a lot of people are really

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Speaker 2: high on He's kind of one of these dudes like

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Speaker 2: Ritter was with Cincinnati, where the program was much better

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Speaker 2: off when he left than when he got there, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he won a lot more

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Speaker 2: games there than they're accustomed to, not with a ton

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Speaker 2: of talent around him. A lot of those qualities. But

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Speaker 2: I still have a lot of work to do on him.

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Speaker 2: But he seems like he has the physical traits the

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Speaker 2: last in the league. And maybe he's a long term

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Speaker 2: value on day two, maybe more, who knows. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, you look at the size on him.

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Speaker 1: Pocket, but moves pretty well.

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Speaker 3: He's not the you know, the runner of some of

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Speaker 3: not and he throws the ball well enough that he's

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Speaker 3: definitely a guy that I would look at. You know,

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Speaker 1: That's a guy paid the chance on.

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Speaker 2: You know, I know you've been focusing more on the

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Speaker 2: big men, and as of eye, I think they're more intriguing.

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Speaker 2: I like their one on ones better than I do

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Speaker 2: receivers corner. But I'm sure you have the ball like

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Speaker 2: Gus all it is it is, yeah, And plus the

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Speaker 2: good that I don't know the Steelers will be in

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Speaker 2: the mixed bore. But you had to have noticed Joe

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Speaker 2: Milton from Tennessee, right, I mean sixty five, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Offensive lineman like.

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Speaker 2: He's yeah, huge, over ten inch hands. I mean he

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Speaker 2: he's ras could be but man two years from now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he struggles, he struggles with the accuracy a little bit,

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Speaker 3: but you know there he could spin the ball. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: here at this one. You know, Lad mcconky's a guy

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Speaker 3: that has caught my eye. Not the biggest kid, but

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Speaker 3: boy he runs good, good patterns and gets in and

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Speaker 2: Rumor has it he's going to be in the four

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Speaker 2: threes too. Like everyone just looks at him as the

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Speaker 2: prototypical slot change of direction guy, but his straight line

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Speaker 2: speed is a lot better than those types. I don't

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Speaker 1: Not, but you don't end up joy sir athlete.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yeah, he's not the most physically imposing

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Speaker 2: when he walks in the door. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: he does some other things really well. The Florida dude

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Speaker 2: Puerce All has been really growing on me too. I

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Speaker 2: mean he seems highly effective as a slot as an

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Speaker 2: outside guy. Trying to think which is Williams or Wilson

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Speaker 2: from Michigan too. He can fly as well. He looks

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Speaker 2: like you could have a better pro career than college.

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Speaker 2: I know some people are a little underwhelmed with the

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Speaker 2: receiver group down there that they've struggled a little. I

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Speaker 2: haven't gone through all the Thursday tape yet, but I

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Speaker 2: bet it gets better as the week goes on too.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just tough early in the season on those guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, And I've was hoping guy like

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Speaker 3: mala Chai Corley would stand out a little bit more,

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Speaker 3: just a little bit different kind of situation down here

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Speaker 3: for guys like that. Again, you know, his quarterback's not here.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of teams like the Colts come

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got stumpy arms. I have a quick question

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Speaker 3: You look at the fastest guy this year, the fastest

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Speaker 2: I think he was number one after day one, That's

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Speaker 1: But they're a little bit bigger as slots and they

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Speaker 3: By the way, you know who the fastest player was.

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Speaker 2: I should know that I remember, but well I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: But you know when you when you look at those

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Speaker 2: He look.

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Speaker 3: But interesting, yeah, yeah, so you know you look at

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Speaker 2: You yeah, I got another name for you. I'm starting

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Speaker 2: another position. I barely paying attention to. Their is running back.

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Speaker 2: There's no real big names. I think Lloyd's a really

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Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about thick and powerful and catches

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Speaker 1: Just worth keeping an eye on for sure. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: And you know, again those Kentucky running backs is much

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Speaker 2: Those guys were bell cows. Yeah, I mean the focal point.

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Speaker 1: But we got to get to a break. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're leaking to the

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale LOLLI.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt just continuing here

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Speaker 3: with the senior boll talk. One of the other players

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Speaker 3: i've my eyes an interior defensive lineman and he's he's

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Speaker 3: also done some garden center work down here, has been

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Speaker 3: that Christian Haynes at a Yukon.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he is.

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Speaker 3: Really athletic as well, a big kid, plays with power.

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Speaker 3: I think he's he's he's a diamond that in the

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Speaker 1: Looks pretty good to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a fair amount of buzz of him

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Speaker 2: Senior Bowl and he's only a guard, but why would

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Speaker 2: And they've played him at both guard spots and center,

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Speaker 2: It's the calls, it's the double teams, it's handley a

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Speaker 2: face as a center or any position change, but it

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00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're necessarily out of the woods either way.

439
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: This guy's get drafted high.

440
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's pretty good.

441
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: You know.

442
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 3: Again, when he locks on to alignment, they stay locked

443
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 3: on like his powerful fans.

444
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean he's a bruiser, but

445
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: he's not super heavy footed or anything like that either. Yeah.

446
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

447
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 3: You mentioned another guy that I wanted to talk about

448
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: previous segment. There was just kind of in passing and

449
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 3: this is a guy I didn't know a ton about

450
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 3: coming in here. But I've been really impressed with Darius

451
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: Robinson at of Missouri.

452
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, first off, Missouri is representing quite well downe there,

453
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 2: Like every helmet's a Michigan or Missouri helmet, it seems like.

454
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: But he's been a killer. I mean, the broadcast teams

455
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: are raving about him, but I mean you have to

456
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: be blind to realize that he's not one of the

457
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 2: best players there. He'll stand up on the edge, he'll

458
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 2: kick down to a three technique. I've seen him play

459
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 2: at the nose on a one technique and he is

460
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: really hard to block. Like I wonder, I mean, does

461
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 2: a guy like that get in the end of the

462
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 2: first round in a not great D line class or

463
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: does people look at him and say, I love the versatility,

464
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 2: like for the Steelers for example, like, yeah, you do

465
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 2: something with them, but I don't know exactly what every down.

466
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of the de Marvin Leol argument.

467
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this guy's bigger.

468
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 3: He's six eighty six pounds, he's got thirty five inch arms.

469
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: Missouri played him inside his first three years and then

470
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: they bumped him out to being an edge player last year.

471
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: That's why I think he looks He doesn't look like

472
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: a fish out of water when they bump when he's

473
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: when he's bumped down inside here, because that's what he's done.

474
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. And I didn't realize that how big

475
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: he was till just now I know he was two

476
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: eighty six. I thought he was like to seventy just

477
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: the way.

478
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: He's because he carries it so well and he moved

479
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: so well.

480
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so you wonder would he be a

481
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety five pounds steeler, you know Cam

482
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: Hayward type. I mean he's a different style of player.

483
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 2: I mean he doesn't I don't know that he can

484
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: absorb double teams and you know, beat up guards in

485
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: the run game like Cam can. But he would certainly

486
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: be on the field and passing downs at a minimum. Yeah.

487
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what'd you think of if you if you noticed

488
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: Michael Hall out of Ohio State at all?

489
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems to be flashing more and more and

490
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: no surprise in Ohio State guy. I mean, he was

491
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: highly recruited. He was one of the few juniors invited

492
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: here that accepted or that it end up coming down,

493
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: which means you're a pretty high end prospect. Like they

494
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: didn't just throw a wide net to all the juniors.

495
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: You got to be pretty well coveted. I don't know

496
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: that he's a steeler though, I mean he's Yeah, the

497
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: size is a little under six three, only two eighty,

498
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: So I don't know if he's like a big power end,

499
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: you know, a Michael Bennett type for a four to

500
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: three team, or do they try to make him an

501
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald Gino Atkins type. So I think he's for

502
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: somebody else, but he's disruptive and he seems to You're

503
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: getting better all week. Yeah, Yeah, for sure.

504
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: I talked to the Penn State corners down here today.

505
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: And you know, one of the things that you know,

506
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 3: I was talking to him, you know, to ask him

507
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: questions about Joey Porter Junior and things of that nature.

508
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: And but you know, Caitlin King and and Johnny Dixon

509
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: and when we were talking, you know, they said, look,

510
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: we played a ton of man de a man defense

511
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: at Penn State. Yeah, And you know, I think that's

512
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: one of the things you've talked about this a lot

513
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: from your scouting day is that it's tough to find

514
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 3: those kind of players. You know, the same situation with

515
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: the for the Ompoesto for the Toledo Corner Gwnya Mitchell.

516
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, finding tape of him playing man defense.

517
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: You can't do it. I can't do it.

518
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: But the penstick guys you can.

519
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. There, let's go down that road. So right when

520
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: I got hired with the Browns, which is really smart

521
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: and I assume every team does this with their scouts,

522
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: but we spent a good at least four days, maybe

523
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: even a whole week, just spending hours at a time

524
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 2: with a position coach, you know, and just sometimes they

525
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: were talking to players sometimes where it's in the back

526
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: of the room taking notes. They would spend an hour

527
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: with us just saying these are traits that are most

528
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 2: important to us, and every receiver coach, every corner coach,

529
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: and every scout you've ever talked to since just basically

530
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: tells you a rule of thumb in the scouting world

531
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: is get every snap of man coverage tape you can

532
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: find in the college level because it's hard to do it.

533
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: Everybody's playing zone wide open sides in the field. You

534
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: don't see teams traveling. Sure that you used to do

535
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: it back in the day when they first round picks everywhere,

536
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: but a yeah, they're a little different. They are a

537
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: little bit.

538
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Beer's with Alonzo Highsmith the other night.

539
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, very cool. He was a stud. But

540
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: I mean that actually helps Pit a lot. Pitt plays

541
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 2: a lot of man coverage, you know, so maybe some

542
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: of their guys, the Pitt fans don't realize why I've

543
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 2: shocked that dude went in the third round. Well, if

544
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: you notice Pit defensive backs, they tend to make it.

545
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: They may not be Reevis, but they tend to make

546
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: it because they have that background of man coverage, which is.

547
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: They're not going to put that in air when when

548
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: you ask them to play man coverage in the NFL level,

549
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: They're not going to panic. They've done it before.

550
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of times people do panic, like, Okay,

551
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: I got beat by a step I'm gonna drag this

552
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: guy down, or my head's not Look, I don't see

553
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: the quarterback like I'm used to, and I start to

554
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: panic and don't know when the balls come and things

555
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: like that. But the Penn State background is great. You know,

556
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: we obviously saw the fruits of that with Porter. It

557
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: sounds like to me, I haven't studied them, but it

558
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: sounds like King has had a rough go of it's

559
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: down there. I mean, the reviews haven't been tremendous, but

560
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: you talked about the Toledo kid, Mitchell, who is definitely

561
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: a crush of mind for the guys down there, and

562
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: I would consider him strongly at twenty, depending how the

563
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: board went. But size, speed, all the traits you would

564
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: think in a man and man corner, long arms, powerful,

565
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: good hips all those things, but their scheme just didn't

566
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: play man. So how do you know? And so he

567
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: goes down there and he's been tearing it up in

568
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: man coverage.

569
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that, and that's what people needed to

570
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 3: see from him.

571
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: You know.

572
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: I just wonder when when you look and you mentioned

573
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: Nick King, and King is hasn't impressed as some people thought,

574
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: and he was getting some first round buzz and maybe

575
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: that was how people were viewing that.

576
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: We thought he might be a first round guy. He's

577
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: probably not.

578
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he come in with that, with that notion

579
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: I want to be impressed by this guy, and oh

580
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: he's he's a good player, he's not great mm hmm.

581
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: But I wonder how much of that is.

582
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: You come down here and maybe it's it's schemed up

583
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: a little bit differently than what you were accustomed to.

584
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh, that's one of the biggest challenges every position has there,

585
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, without question, I I don't know enough about King.

586
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm not bashing him at all, but he got a

587
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: lot of attention last year when no one was throwing

588
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: a porter, and he excelled. This year wasn't as strong,

589
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: And so he comes down there and I think people

590
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: are saying, can you be that first round type of

591
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: guy that you look like when Porter was on the

592
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: other side, where he might just look like a third rounder.

593
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: And there's no shame in that whatsoever. But I think

594
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: that's one of the hardest things for guys is you

595
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: can make mistakes analyzing the Tuesday practice too much, especially

596
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: the passing game, because these guys don't know anything. They

597
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: don't even know the play calls, they don't even know

598
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: where the bathrooms are at. And a huge, huge thing

599
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: is do you get better from Tuesday to Wednesday and

600
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: Wednesday to Thursday? He just I mean, it doesn't mean

601
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: you've even hit your potential yet in that scheme, but

602
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 2: are you getting it? You're looking better?

603
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

604
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely. One of the other guys that's you. Have you

605
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: noticed Cam Hart at a Notre Dame at.

606
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: All a little? His name keeps popping up, but I

607
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: don't know much about him.

608
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: He's huge, Yeah, he's almost six three and four pounds,

609
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: looks like a safety as opposed to a cornerback.

610
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: That's about all I know of him. I mean, but

611
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: that in itself might endear him to the Steelers. I mean,

612
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: kind of looks like Julius Brent's almost out there. Yeah,

613
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: that's a good a good guy out there long and

614
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: they Yeah, yeah for sure.

615
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: Uh you know, looking at this group, I mean we've

616
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: talked about a lot of the guys who are who've

617
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: really stood out.

618
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: Let me throw one at that. We talk about a

619
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: lot that I really love and would certainly consider a

620
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: twenty Fluaga. I've been avoiding his first name, A big,

621
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: big way, Oregon State, pure right tackle, flashy. Yes, he's

622
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: very impressive. Arms are a little shorter than you like.

623
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: I didn't notice that until I read it. I mean

624
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: he doesn't play that way, plays very stout, uses his

625
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: hands well, heavy hands, moves well. But his arms are

626
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: especially compared to the Guiton's and Paul's and the the

627
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: super freak you know, I mean Superman.

628
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, But.

629
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: The only knock I've seen on Filaga is you wish

630
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: his arms were a little longer. I'm willing to overlook

631
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: it from what I know about him. Yeah, he's he's powerful.

632
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: He really is just and I think that the thing

633
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: that helps him in terms of overcoming the lack of

634
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: link linked in his arms is that his core. Yeah,

635
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: he's really strong. I mean, you can't go, you can't

636
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: go through him. You're not going to rush him, right.

637
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: So one thing stood out to me with the Wednesday

638
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: practice with him was he got beat pretty bad by

639
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: asa Isaac from Penn State. Speaking of Penn State, and

640
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 2: he's been his stock is skyrocketing. He's an edge defender.

641
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: Every A lot of people know about Chop Robinson, but

642
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: Isaac is really moving up boards in a very quick way,

643
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, and he's had a great camp.

644
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: So if Wogga got beat pretty bad by him, and

645
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: that coaching staff at the end of practice yesterday picked

646
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: out kind of like an all star team, pure one

647
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: on ones with everybody screaming, and they picked out for

648
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: Wogga and he said, I want Isaac again and whipped

649
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: them at the very end, like they'll pick a linebacker

650
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: versus running back, a safety versus tight end, just one

651
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: one on one matchup, and god, Isaac got the better

652
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: of him and kind of didn't like stand over him.

653
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't a jag about it, but it was pretty

654
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: wound up. It's like, oh, I like that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wonder is he a right tackle only

656
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Speaker 3: because of the lack of arm length or.

657
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Speaker 2: I think he could be, and he's most comfortable there too.

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Speaker 3: I mean he could be a masher though at the

659
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Speaker 3: right tackle position, if you're a team that wants to

660
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Speaker 3: run the football, plug and play, you know, for the

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Speaker 3: next dozen years.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a pure right tack. I've heard a

663
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Speaker 2: couple say he might be a Pro Bowl guard. I

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Speaker 2: think he'ld be. I'd be shocked if he's not a

665
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Speaker 2: tackle on opening days, and he looks more. He looks

666
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Speaker 2: a little more plug and play than say Geiten, you know, like,

667
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Speaker 2: if the Steelers were to pick between the two, I

668
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: think Fluaga would have a better chance of starting Week one,

669
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Speaker 2: but might not have the long term upside of the

670
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Speaker 2: super athletes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I hear what you're saying there, and I

672
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: do think that Geiton to me just screams left tackle.

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Speaker 2: But he hasn't played much left right.

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Speaker 3: They well, I think they know he can play. They

675
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Speaker 3: want to see if he can, you know, play the right.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that's been very you know, I

677
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Speaker 3: think they've done that on purpose with him.

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Speaker 2: They have. I mean, he was heavily he's more comfortable right.

679
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: I mean that he played a lot of right at Oklahoma,

680
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: so he's just starting to kind of learn the left stuff.

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Speaker 2: I assumed he was just left left left, because boy,

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Speaker 2: he sure looks like it. I'm sure with his athleticism

683
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Speaker 2: handle both just fine.

684
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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's you know, yeah, it's it's been a

685
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: good week of practice. I think there's some guys have

686
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: have really shown up well here. I'll be interested to

687
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: see what happens and how the game looks. You know,

688
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Speaker 3: I haven't been super impressed by the quarterbacks overall as

689
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Speaker 3: a group.

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Speaker 2: I thought that'd be better, you know, the.

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Speaker 1: The national roster. You know, Sam Hart and Michael Pennick

692
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Speaker 1: and Bo Nicks. They've got the name value, you know,

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Speaker 1: the bigger names.

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Speaker 3: But again, the guy that's impressed me the most overall

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00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: has probably been Pratt from Tulane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right. I mean, like you can see

697
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: how Pennix throws the ball really well at times, and

698
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: he can spin it. And I wonder if this is

699
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Nix's best environment because everyone talks about his efficiency, and

700
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: it's hard to be efficient down here when you're only

701
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: going every other rap or whatever. But I kind of

702
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: thought the quarterback position as a whole would be a

703
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: little more jaw dropping. You know a little more like

704
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: I really want that guy. And it hasn't been bad,

705
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: Like I haven't soured on any of those dudes. You know,

706
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: Rattler looks a little bit small out there, and you know,

707
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: but they have some skills.

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00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so rat looks really small when he's standing there.

709
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: To Joe Milton, Yeah yeah, it's almost like, I mean,

710
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: they don't even look like they play the same position

711
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: or sport or yeah.

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00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, let's let's get to another break here. He

714
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Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson. I am they you're listening to

715
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Speaker 1: the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 3: There's been a couple of coaching hires in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about those when we come back right after this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I I am Dale Lelly. He is the Matt Willison

721
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Speaker 3: and Matt. As I mentioned in the previous segment there

722
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Speaker 3: at the end there, we haven't the final coaching head coaching.

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Speaker 1: Positions in the NFL. Well, it looks like they've been filled.

724
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: Ravens, a defensive coordinator like McDonald, headed to Seattle to

725
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Speaker 3: be the head coach of the Seahawks and Washington, which

726
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Speaker 3: was also in the running to alam McDonald then goes

727
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 3: and hires it looks like they're gonna hire Dan Quinn

728
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Speaker 3: as their new head coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of like both moves. I mean, I

730
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Speaker 2: think the Quinn one is a great example sort of

731
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Speaker 2: of raheem Morris. You hope the second go rounds better

732
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: than the first. You had a nice gap in between

733
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: those stints to learn things, reinvent yourself. I mean you

734
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: mentioned this the other day. Morris actually did some offensive

735
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Speaker 2: coaching between head coaching gigs and Quinn is known as

736
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Speaker 2: this cover three Seattle defensive coordinator that really changed things

737
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Speaker 2: around his time in Dallas. Isn't married to that system

738
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Speaker 2: at all. I think it's a you know, like the

739
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: Quinn hire to me is a lead off lock. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a nice start. It's fine, it's solid. I mean

741
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: in that organization could use that. Who he hires his

742
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting in that both head coaches that

744
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: those guys are replacing are defensive guys. Yeah, they're both

745
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: defensive guys. Oftentimes you see it go the other way.

746
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: You see, well we had a defensive coach here, we're

747
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: gonna go hire an offensive guy.

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Speaker 2: Now, so I have a bit of a theory, and

749
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: it's new and I don't know if there's any truth

750
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: to it at all, but alarm bells went off in

751
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: my head when Slowick with the Texans and Johnson Ben

752
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: Johnson with the Lions decided they're not in the head

753
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: coaching mix anymore. They're staying where they're at as an

754
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. And I know Campbell was a tight end,

755
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: but he's not exactly a Shanahan schemer type. And Ryan,

756
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, He's he's a CEO, tough guy,

757
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: special team or he's not in what I would call

758
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: the typical offensive coach. And Ryan's is a defensive coach.

759
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: And I wonder our owner is getting smart and saying,

760
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: we have multi billion dollar organizations and guys like Slowick

761
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: and Johnson are one of the best assets we have

762
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: in this entire organization. And there's no salary cap to

763
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: your coaching staff. Instead of, you know, let them go

764
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: test the waters and if they want to leave, you

765
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Speaker 2: make them an offer they can't refuse before they walk

766
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Speaker 2: out the door, and say, how about I give you

767
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: triple your salary to stay here and coach this Lion's

768
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Speaker 2: offense and try to win a title with us. You know,

769
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Speaker 2: like I wonder if owners are going to say, we

770
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Speaker 2: love having the defensive minded head coach, we love having

771
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Speaker 2: the CEO, the tough guy that sees the big picture,

772
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Speaker 2: but we hate losing coordinators left and right. Let's just

773
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: pay them like crazy. Yeah, I don't. I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: I mean when we're the other I mean, I know

775
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: it's just a hot You look at the hires that

776
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Speaker 3: were made in this offseason of Mayo in New England,

777
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Speaker 3: a defense sector. But yeah, both of these two who

778
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: hires defensive guys?

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Speaker 1: What were the other ones?

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00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: Uh?

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00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Harbaugh's basically a defensive guy.

782
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Raheem Morris defensive guy.

783
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Speaker 3: Good point, you know, and everybody talks about you need

784
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: to hire these these these offensive geniuses, these these hot

785
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: offensive coaches.

786
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Speaker 1: Those guys didn't really get hired.

787
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: Canal List in Carolina is the only one that was

788
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: an offensive guy, right, That's.

789
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Speaker 2: The one I can come up with. And even like

790
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: the Eagles went out and spent huge money on two

791
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: new coordinators. You know, like I'm just wondering if that's

792
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: a trend, because just because you call plays really well

793
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: and can design a West coast offense and use motion

794
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can lead my organization. Yeah, yeah, I

795
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: do like the McDonald hire. I do like the McDonald

796
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: hire though well, And you.

797
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Speaker 3: Know, it made me think that every team in the

798
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Speaker 3: af North this year lost the coordinator either on there,

799
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Speaker 3: they did it on their own, or somebody.

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Speaker 2: Got hired away. That's interesting.

801
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Speaker 3: I guess callahan only hand in Tennessee was the other

802
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Speaker 3: offensive here.

803
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, so I couldn't come up with all

804
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: eight in the top of my head. And speaking of which,

805
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a done deal. The Callahan doesn't

806
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: pry Daddy out of Cleveland either, the O line coach

807
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: who's revered, Like I know that they're they're still trying

808
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: to work that out. Browns aren't psyched about letting him go.

809
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: But I don't know how you tell Dad he can't

810
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: go coach with his son, you know, so there might

811
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Speaker 2: even be another loss.

812
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: All they gotta do is make him like assistant head

813
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Speaker 1: coach or something like that.

814
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Speaker 2: And you you know, yeah, yeah.

815
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Speaker 3: In Cleveland, I mean, you could potentially do it, but

816
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: he's going to go maybe go with his son, who

817
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: yeah us, Yeah, you know, I assume has grandkids and

818
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: things of that nature. That was trying to super supersede uh,

819
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: you know, working with the with the other team.

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00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely. But back to McDonald real quick. I mean I

821
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: thought he was a very very good schemer. You know,

822
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Speaker 2: both of us. Frankly sold the Ravens defense too short

823
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: going into the season. I didn't think their defensive line

824
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: was good enough. But all the you know, simulated pressures

825
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: and a lot of the stuff he did and taking

826
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Speaker 2: away the middle of the field. And I think another

827
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Speaker 2: big factor of why he ended up in Seattle was,

828
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Speaker 2: I know, the Rams did well in Baltimore, but Baltimore

829
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: destroyed the Niners and really did well against that Shanahan scheme. No,

830
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Speaker 2: everybody wants the Shanny or McVeigh disciple, but how about

831
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Speaker 2: the guy that knows how to stop it?

832
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was something that that you know,

833
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: we kind of talked privately when the Steelers were interviewing

834
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: the you know, everyone I need to interview, uh, you know,

835
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: a Shanahan disciple or they need to get one of

836
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Speaker 3: those guys.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you play the Ravens. Did you see

838
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: what the Ravens did to this?

839
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, just goes offense, like you know that they might

841
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Speaker 1: know how to defend that a little bit.

842
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder, you know what's Seattle going to do? Now?

843
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: Well he go after Madabike, will we go after Queen?

844
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: You know they may pillage a few of those ravens

845
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, that happens a lot as well.

846
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Speaker 3: When when those guys, they like to bring in some

847
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: guys who know their system to kind of teach it.

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Speaker 1: What Houston did you know? Honestly right, bring in like

849
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Ward.

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Speaker 3: And I was like that they brought some brought some

851
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: of his old forty nine ers with him.

852
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it makes a lot of sense help us.

853
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: And I can see someone overpaying for Queen. We mentioned

854
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: that all along, but at least he would be the

855
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: quarterback of your defense. And it does have some first

856
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: round traits Matta Bouquet, who's good no matter where he goes.

857
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot of value to Jimmy

858
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: Ward types that aren't super expensive. They play a communication position.

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Speaker 3: Tomlin did it with Will Allen when he came when

860
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Speaker 3: he when he joined the Stay Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he brought yeah from under the risk

862
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: some type moves you don't think about it.

863
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody who can who knows your defense and can

864
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Speaker 3: step in and be that guy.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm real quick. In Seattle, like I know that

866
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: they were talking about the Quinn was always perceived as

867
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Speaker 2: the leader in the clubhouse. But from what I understand,

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00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: Seattle wanted to not get rid of the Carroll era,

869
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Speaker 2: but just do it differently as opposed to bringing in

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Speaker 2: with Pete Carroll disciple member of the tree. I think

871
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Speaker 2: they just wanted a fresh start, you know, a different

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Speaker 2: way of communicating in system and all that stuff too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can understand that, but it does make things

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Speaker 3: interesting in the AFC North that it looks like Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: is going to elevate their quarterbacks coach to be their

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Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator. Baltimore immediately promoted Zach Orr, a former player,

877
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Speaker 3: to be their defensive coordinator. They also lost their defensive

878
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Speaker 3: backs coaches, going to Tennessee to be their defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: A lot of changes Brown, Yeah, the Browns changing offensive

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Speaker 3: coordinators and really the whole offensive staff other than other

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Speaker 3: than Callahan. And of course we'll, you know, we'll have

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Speaker 3: the Steelers announcement here at some point this week regarding

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of change in the AFC North.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. One other coach I wanted to mention was the

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Speaker 2: Ravens Anthony Weaver, and he played it Notre Dame. People

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Speaker 2: raved about how well he interviewed and a lot of

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Speaker 2: people think he's a future head coach, but I think

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Speaker 2: he's not even a coordinator with the Ravens. Like I

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Speaker 2: wonder if one of these defensive coordinator openings ends up

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Speaker 2: that they come and swoop him up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's potential for that. I mean, these guys that

893
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Speaker 3: played in the defense, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, they've they've he interviewed for some head jobs. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be interesting to see how this all

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Speaker 3: continues to shake out.

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Speaker 2: Here. You know, we actually have eight no no head

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Speaker 2: coaching vacancies, and here we are no head coaching vacancies

899
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Speaker 2: that the musical chairs have stopped, and one Bill Belick,

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Speaker 2: no bellichob Rabel, Yeah, Rabel too. It kind of blows

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Speaker 2: me away.

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Speaker 3: I was chatting with some people down here at the

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Speaker 3: Senior Bowl, and one of them, who knows the Patriots

904
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Speaker 3: and their business pretty well, was saying he wondered if

905
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Speaker 3: Belichick would have stepped away so would have made it

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Speaker 3: as easy on Craft as he did, if he'd have

907
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Speaker 3: known that he was going to get shut out from

908
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Speaker 3: being a head coach. I think he thought he was

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Speaker 3: going to get that Atlanta job and then it didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would assume that he thought, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: get a job. I'm Bill Belichick. But I can see

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Speaker 2: why somebody wouldn't, you know. I mean, if I'm Washington

913
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Speaker 2: for example, and this might apply to Atlanta. But if

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take a quarterback, it picked number two,

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Speaker 2: and I just saw how you treated a first round

916
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Speaker 2: quarterback for.

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Speaker 1: The last three years.

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Speaker 2: I don't love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, you know I like it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Bill, I love you. I mean you no more

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Speaker 2: football than all of us will ever forget, but or

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Speaker 2: you forgetting the other way around. But I don't know

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Speaker 2: that I want you in charge of my rebuild.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean if you've not handled the rebuild

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Speaker 3: in New England all.

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Speaker 2: That, well, No, if you're buying the groceries and handling

927
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Speaker 2: the first round quarterback, I've seen that show lately and

928
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Speaker 2: it's not fun. Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I mean I expect he'll be the hot name next offseason.

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Speaker 2: If he wants it. I would imagine, Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would assume he wants it.

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Speaker 3: He's what's he needed, like sixteen more wins to become

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Speaker 3: the all time winning as head coach in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's something along those lines. I think he

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Speaker 1: wants that.

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Speaker 3: I think, as you know, because he used to say

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Speaker 3: he won't see me coaching well into my seventies, like

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Speaker 3: Marv Levy. Well here we are. He's in a seventies.

939
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Speaker 3: Here we are still coaching, well, not coaching now.

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Speaker 2: But maybe he gets away from it and never comes back.

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Speaker 2: Who knows. I mean, it'd be harder to hire a

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Speaker 2: year from now than he is now.

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Speaker 1: I would.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'll be seventy three years old, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a tough hire.

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Speaker 1: It really is, it really is. Let's get to another break.

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Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lotley. You're listening to

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Speaker 3: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. That's going to

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 2: For our number one.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with our number two of the drive

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Speaker 1: right after this.