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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week of

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Troy Pottinger and I'm running

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Speaker 2: him through are what would You Do gauntlet, giving us

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Speaker 2: insight into exactly how we'd handle some of the most

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Speaker 2: challenging hunting scenarios I could throw at him. Absolutely all right,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: more relevant news today, we are continuing are What Would

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Speaker 2: You Do? Series. The gist of this series is that

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Speaker 2: I talked to different expert whitetail hunters and give them

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Speaker 2: very specific hypothetical deer hunting scenarios or challenges or circumstances

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Speaker 2: and ask them to detail for us how they would

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Speaker 2: handle them, how they would think through this challenge, how

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Speaker 2: would they act on this challenge, What would be their strategy,

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Speaker 2: their thought process, why would they do these different things?

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Speaker 2: All of that we've had it so far. We've done

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Speaker 2: one of these with Ted Zanyerlei, we've done one with

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Speaker 2: Terry Drury earlier this month, and today we have Troy Pottinger.

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Speaker 2: And last week with Terry that was a little bit

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Speaker 2: more of a private land focused conversation. Today we're back

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Speaker 2: to more of a public land focused conversation because Troy

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Speaker 2: specializes in hunting big country, big timber, big hills or mountains,

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Speaker 2: and finding really big bucks in these pretty darn tough circumstances.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be a very interesting one. Troy

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Speaker 2: comes to us from the White Tail Addictions Crew. He

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Speaker 2: is a proven DIY deer hunter who has gotten it done,

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Speaker 2: not just in his home state of Idaho and the

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Speaker 2: surrounding area of Canada, Montana, Washington, but also he's headed east.

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Speaker 2: He's done it in Ohio, He's done it I think

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Speaker 2: in Iowa or Illinois, some of these other states in

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Speaker 2: the Midwest. So his tactics will work for you whether

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Speaker 2: you're on the West coast or the east. The terrain

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Speaker 2: that he's specialized in, these big hills, rolling topography, mountains,

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Speaker 2: it's stuff that I know that people in southern Ohio

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Speaker 2: or Virginia, or Pennsylvania, or New York, or the Appalachians

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Speaker 2: down Tennessee, Georgia, whatever. This is something that can apply

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Speaker 2: to many of you. And I think there's some other

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Speaker 2: ideas that Troy shares with us about using scrapes that

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Speaker 2: can be applicable even in flatter country, whether you're in

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Speaker 2: Michigan or Mississippi or somewhere in between. So he's a

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Speaker 2: great hunter, a great storyteller, and communicator around how he

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Speaker 2: develops his plans and his processes. There's a lot we

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Speaker 2: can learn from Troy today. So I don't want to

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Speaker 2: hope you guys, alikam, I appreciate you showing your support

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Speaker 2: So thanks in advance for that and thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're gonna enjoy this one. I know you're

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Speaker 2: gonna enjoy this one. Troy's a great guest, He's got

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Speaker 2: a lot to share. So why don't we just get

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Speaker 2: to my chat with me Pottinger. Here we go, all right,

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Speaker 2: joining me once again. The show is mister Troy Pottinger.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to show.

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Speaker 3: Troy, Hey, Mark, thanks for having me. It's great too,

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Speaker 3: great to get a circle back and talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. I always enjoy our chats. We've had

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Speaker 2: no formalities here today. We're just gonna we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: for you in Idaho is August thirtieth. So you're excited,

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Speaker 2: And and you can, you can. You can do anything

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Speaker 3: But those two days are crucial. And this kind of

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Speaker 3: me into those areas that give a give deer herds safety, solace, food, water, security, cover,

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Speaker 3: hunting for one week, hardcore on where I believe a

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Speaker 2: So I know you put a huge priority on those

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Speaker 2: listeners out there in August, what would a community scrape

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Speaker 2: to call it, What would that look like in August?

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Speaker 2: How do I know, like, oh, yes, this is actually

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now you mentioned covering a lot of ground over

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Speaker 3: Yes, And to be fair mark in this question, I'm

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Speaker 3: This would be just big woods, big woods, no destination

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Speaker 3: I would open stuff up everywhere, and one thing I

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Speaker 3: I haven't even said the world were trails yet. Trails

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take let's take this like one step further.

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Speaker 2: You described a number of different things you would do.

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Speaker 2: imagine that there is a main ridge running north south

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Speaker 2: All right, if you were like a like a flat sea.

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Speaker 3: Almost got a big basin.

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Speaker 2: Big basin exactly, That's what I'm trying to paint here,

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Speaker 2: curious how you would break down that basin specifically, So

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So if it's a quarter of the day and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so a quarter of it is quite a few

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Speaker 2: Back on top of the walk, on top of the ridges.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would go high. Early in the morning, I

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Speaker 3: on the ground, strategic movement through that basin, laying out

432
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 3: of the cameras, refreshing, opening up, creating a mock scrape

433
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: if I think it has to be there, based on

434
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: what I find with trails and how the timber and

435
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: the ridges funnel everything, how the wind makes it, you know,

436
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: will always position deer in their betting zones, always wayndon

437
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 3: thermals does. So I would That's all rolling through my

438
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: mind as I break it down. And when I come

439
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: across the sign and it's from November from October, when

440
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: the sign is there and I can see that old sign,

441
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 3: I'm keying in on it, because that's when I'm hunting

442
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: this November.

443
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: If I were to, if you and I were looking

444
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: at the topographic map of this basin together and I said,

445
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: pick the four best looking places on this topographic map

446
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: right now, put a pin on it or circle it

447
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: on the map, and then you went back there and

448
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: actually scouted on the ground as you described. And now

449
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: you went and you checked all the spots and you

450
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: found the single best place. Do you think that in

451
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: your map pre work, do you think that you could

452
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: have picked the best spot? Would the best spot in

453
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: real life actually have been one of the four places

454
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: you picked ahead of time?

455
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: I believe I can, yes, And I do it a lot.

456
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: Do I always hit it perfect? Note, but I really

457
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: focus in on wind and thermals where it positions dare

458
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: for betting, and how you know how mature bucks really

459
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: like to have the high ground and the wind and

460
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: thermals on doe betting, dough family groups and dough betting.

461
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 3: So they like to they like to be able. It's

462
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: simple common sense. A thermal blows up hill during the

463
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: day way more hours than downhill, So if you want

464
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 3: to kill stuff in the daylight in mountain country, big

465
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: bucks use those uphill thermals to travel and sent check

466
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: before they drop, before they bail off. They run those

467
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: high lines, those lateral lines like crazy in the mountains,

468
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: and I see it in Ohio on a two hundred

469
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: foot elevation gain on Ohio, I see the same thing.

470
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: I see the exact same thing, just a smaller version

471
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 3: of it. So do I believe I could nail a

472
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: really productive spot with the maps one hundred percent? But

473
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: what might What I think I really need more than

474
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: anything is finding those white oaks or whatever type of

475
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: food source is the best for November for those dough

476
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: family groups. And then if those correspond with the terrain

477
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: features and the prevailing and thermal winds that I think

478
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: would really make a buck want to be there with

479
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: those Dough family groups close, then it's going to be money.

480
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: But where I think I might run into trouble with

481
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: a map only quest is I got to go find

482
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: where the best feed is going to be in November

483
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: two And it's I'm assuming correct me if I'm wrong.

484
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: I don't hunt a lot of oaks, but I'm assuming.

485
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: You know, so, how long do those oaks drop in

486
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: that kind of country? You know, how long is that

487
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: food stores there, So I would have to do all

488
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: that research too, Mark yep.

489
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: So so where I'm getting where I'm going with that

490
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: is this last file, which would be could you just

491
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: paint a picture for me of what that place that

492
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 2: would jump off the map would look like from the

493
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: map perspective, because because I feel like I've got a

494
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: good understanding now of what you're looking for on the ground.

495
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: But what I do want to make sure folks understand

496
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: is what are the key things on the top on

497
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: map or even the you know, aerial top all hybrid

498
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: that you would say, oh, yes, this is the spot

499
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: I need to go ground truth. Can you paint that

500
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: picture for me real quick and then.

501
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: We'll move on to it. Yeah, I think I could

502
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: paint one that would probably work. I would on a map,

503
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: I would be looking for off that big ridge system

504
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: within that basin, I would be looking for finger ridges

505
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 3: and benches that come down off of it yep. And

506
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: I would be mapping out in my mind based on

507
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: those terrain features where the best security cover and happy

508
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: place for doze are where a buck could position himself

509
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: to monitor them without having to be right in the

510
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: middle of him every day. And then I would probably

511
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: hit first that halfway two thirds of the way up

512
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: in those mountains, on those ridges where I believe i'd

513
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: be pretty close to where Bucks felt very good about

514
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: betting hanging out even you know, checking on those I

515
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: would probably not be in the very bottom unless I

516
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: thought that I could get a wind to work down there.

517
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: I would most likely be looking at saddles within saddles,

518
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: finger ridges that have nice benches, things that are terrain

519
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: no things is the wrong word, terrain features that really

520
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: aid in the movement and monitoring of right tail Bucks

521
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 3: overdose and that dose are close proximity to them. Then

522
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: you got to look at the habitat. You have to

523
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: get on that, Like I say, get on Google Earth

524
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: and look at the actual habitat. Try to find pictures

525
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: from November of what that habitat looks like. It might

526
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: be wide open with no leads, what kind of brushes

527
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: in there? So there's a lot this is, you know,

528
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: these questions are there's a lot loaded into them in

529
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: my mind of the stuff I would have to break down.

530
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: But I guarantee I would be on terrain features that

531
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: are conducive for Bucks, Comfortable daylight type observing dose, monitoring dose,

532
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: and even chasing a breeding dose. I would want to

533
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: be right in the middle of that to start, because

534
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: I want to find daylight movement, and I want wind

535
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: that I can hunt. I want wind in thermals that

536
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: I can enter and exit and be able to hunt

537
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: it without just wasting my time at a spot. I

538
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: have to be able to hunt in my mind on

539
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: a map. I have to be able to get to

540
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: that location, exit ander it, even on a map before

541
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: I ever walk there. I have to be able to

542
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: look at it and go, yeah, I could get there

543
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: and get out of there, hunt off to the edge

544
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: of those prevailings and thermals and kill something. And I

545
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: would also look for terrain barriers that would protect me

546
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: from deer wanting to walk and directly downwind to meet.

547
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: Might be an opening, might be a you know, a

548
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: bunch of blowdown timber. Might be a bluff, might be

549
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: a deep ravine with a creak in it that really

550
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: steers deer around it because it's so steep and they'd

551
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: rather travel a trail just above it. I would look

552
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: for all of that.

553
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's let's let's pivot something a little bit different.

554
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: Here.

555
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: Let's put you back home. You're an Idaho or one

556
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: of your you know, other areas you hunt there, Montana, Washington.

557
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: You've done your work, you've prepped, you've got your cameras

558
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: that you've got your trap line set. You're good to go.

559
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: Season opens. You start heading out to whatever your best

560
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: spot is that you thought for that part of the

561
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: season would be, and you start driving by a number

562
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: of different trailheads that you've historically used. Maybe you're not

563
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: going to be there today, but you drive by one,

564
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: there's two trucks there, kind of surprising. You keep going

565
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: your heading towards your best spot for that particular day.

566
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: You drive by another basin, two trucks there. You get

567
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: to your spot that you're gonna hunt and there's two

568
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: or three trucks there too. Yep, a bunch of hunting

569
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: pressure in your zone now. And I don't know what

570
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: it's usually like there, but let's say there's more than

571
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: you would expect. Right, Let's say it's the COVID year again.

572
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: Whenever one came out of the woodwork and started hunting again, right,

573
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: what would that do to your plan for that day

574
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: or the next couple of days. There at the beginning

575
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: of the year, when you're flooded with an unexpected amount

576
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: of hunting pressure, does that change your plan at all?

577
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: Or do you still stick to the program, do what

578
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna do.

579
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: That's a good question because I'm not so big a country,

580
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: and if it's opening day that's August thirtieth, I have

581
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: till December twenty fourth to kill the back Cup. After

582
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: eight I usually have a group of bucks that are

583
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: on my list that I want to hunt, So that

584
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: kind of answers your question right there. If I saw

585
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 3: that type of scenario in the vast public that I hunt,

586
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: that guys literally park right where I want to park.

587
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: First thing is is, in my case, just for my

588
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 3: past of being successful with mountain white tails, I don't

589
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: want to park by those guys and leave my identity

590
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: with them. What if they hunt half a day and

591
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: walk out, Oh there's Pottinger's pickup, they take your you know,

592
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: So first of all, I'm not leaving my identity there,

593
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: and I'm just going to plan B. It's I've done

594
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: this for years. I always have a Plan B, C, D,

595
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: and sometimes E. And because I hunt such vast country,

596
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: it's pretty hard for me based on all of the

597
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: homework I do on these white tails and effort I

598
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: put into finding them early them year after year, I

599
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: usually can go to Plant B or C mark and

600
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: go find a quiet place be only because of that

601
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 3: work that I put in to have that going. Yeah,

602
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: it would never be that way if I didn't put

603
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: all that year around working to have that stuff established

604
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: and working for me. So I would go to Plan B,

605
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: and if Plan B wasn't good, I'd go to C.

606
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to give away in my case

607
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: where I'm at, I'm just not going to do it.

608
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: I don't need to because I have four months to

609
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: hunt a deer that that I may be targeting. I

610
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: would have now if it was at the end of

611
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: the season and I had three days left. That's a

612
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: little different question.

613
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: Oh now, what about this. Let's let's say it's similar

614
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: but slightly different. Let's say you go to your best

615
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: spot and maybe this is let's sweeten the deal a

616
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: little bit. It's opening day and a cold front happened

617
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: hit on August thirtieth, So when from maybe eighty degrees

618
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: to high fifties and you just know it's gonna be

619
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: good and you get to the trailhead and there's no cars.

620
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: Looks good going to plane A. You hike up to

621
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: your spot and you get to I'm just gonna make

622
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: an assumption here, kritma if I'm wrong, but let's assume

623
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: it's gonna be some kind of you know, community scrape

624
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: area near some buck betting, and you had a camera

625
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: set up and you see, we'll say, what could be

626
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: one of two things. Either a someone set up a

627
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: camera right on your setup, near your camera, and or

628
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: someone set up a tree stand in that same zone.

629
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: So there's a camera or tree stand right in your zone. Now,

630
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: there's not anyone there right now, but you see that

631
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: someone has found your zone and set up on it.

632
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: It's the afternoon of opening day and you've hiked all

633
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: the way in and it's a banging cold front.

634
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: What do you do now, Well, I'm gonna hunt it,

635
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna obviously wonder how the heck somebody's found

636
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: me there and why they would want to set up

637
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: near me. And I've had that happen And I came

638
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: in on one of my incredible I came in on

639
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: a just an incredible spot I had set up one

640
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: time to get my tree and hunt this deer. And

641
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: and to be fair to your listeners, I never go

642
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: to spots. I go to the deer I'm after, So

643
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: I don't really have a honey hole. I hunt specific deer,

644
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: so my spots. The nice thing about that is mark

645
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: some of my spots get moved year to year, even

646
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: on a specific deer, even if it's one hundred yards

647
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: two hundred yards quarter mile, because I'm working on him

648
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: with his changes with his as he gets older, he changes,

649
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: he mixes it up based on pressure. But back to

650
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: answer the exact question, and I've had this happen, had

651
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: it happen. I've had it happen where I've walked in.

652
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: And this is a shout out to most of us

653
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: Western guys, which I really like, because guys are we

654
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: have so much ground out here that nobody needs to

655
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: set right unless they're just being an ass. I mean, seriously,

656
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: they don't need to. But anyway, I've walked in on

657
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: a guy before in my spot, or let's say it

658
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: was a camera on my spot, I would hunt it.

659
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: And if I walk in on somebody sitting right next

660
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: to me, I just talked to him and say, hey,

661
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: I you know, been running this for a long time.

662
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've hunted here forever. Did you notice it?

663
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 3: I would just ask if they noticed my setup, and

664
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: I don't care really what they say to me. I

665
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: could tell by the way they act if they're being

666
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: honest or not, and then i'd have to play it

667
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: from there. Obviously, I don't want to sit right next

668
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: to somebody, but let's say I do talk to him.

669
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: And this has happened to me before. I literally had

670
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: a guy say I am so sorry. He was in

671
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: a climber, he goes. I literally thought I'd just set

672
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: up on the greatest scraping spot in the world. He goes,

673
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: I've never seen sign like this, and it's because he

674
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: found one of my spots that I'd had been working

675
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: deer for years. And he was again back to this

676
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: Western culture out here. I was like, man, I'm sorry,

677
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: he goes, I'm gonna get down and I'm out of here.

678
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: I'll go hunt somewhere else because I can see that

679
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: you will put so much work into this. And I

680
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: pointed out my cameras, I pointed out my tree stand.

681
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: I had all the stuff hidden so well he couldn't

682
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: see it. So I have ran into that a little bit.

683
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: But let's say it's just a camera on my spot

684
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: and it's that day and I see a camera right

685
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 3: on me or close to me, I'm gonna hunt it.

686
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hunt it, and I'm gonna probably assume that

687
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: they probably didn't even see my cameras are stand because

688
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: I do on purpose so stuff doesn't get stolen. I mean,

689
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: I try to really keep my stuff hidden, and I

690
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: sit in trees or I have great back cover, and

691
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, I never leave sticks on a tree, or

692
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: you know, I climb a tree and hang that day

693
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: and hunt and leave or whatever. So I would hunt it.

694
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: I would hunt it, especially with that cold front that

695
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: opening day. Bucks are gonna move. Nobody's there, he has,

696
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: somebody has a camera, say off to my side of

697
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: me out, I'm gonna hunt it, and I'm gonna make

698
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: sure they see me on their camera. I'm gonna make

699
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make sure when they check that camera they're like, oh,

700
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: somebody's here. And again I'll go back to mindset culture.

701
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 3: Us Western guys, we don't want to hunt their people.

702
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: We don't want to be next to other people. We've

703
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: grown up. We grew. That's how that's how we do

704
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: things out here. For for the most part. I mean,

705
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: I have been hunting this country for forty some years, Mark,

706
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: I've never had a guy be an asshole about wanting

707
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: to set right next to me. Ever. Now have I

708
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: had guys follow where I'm at and hunt within a

709
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: quarter mile of me, hundred percent. But I've never had

710
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: anybody want to be right next to me like usually

711
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: guys in this country will leave you a note or

712
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 3: read or reach out to you if they think, oh,

713
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: that's that's a Lone Wolf custom gear camera, and I know, Troy,

714
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: I'll just reach out to me. I've had I've had

715
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: multiple good people reach out to me and say, true,

716
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: I think I found one of your setups. It was awesome.

717
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: I'll stay, you know, and they literally they say, yeah,

718
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna hunt on top of you. It was awesome.

719
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: I think guys come to my boot camp that have

720
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: found my stuff before and said it all made sense

721
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 3: once I found it while you were there. So Mark,

722
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: So Mark, I've been fortunate. I would hunt that spot

723
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 3: if it was a camera, if there was somebody there

724
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: already sitting there. I talked to him and just be

725
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: a good human about it, Like, why not just be

726
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: a good And if they were, you know, if they

727
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: wanted to get all I would call it immaturely defensive

728
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: or act ignorant. I just I got lots of options. Yeah,

729
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: and I would move and I would move on that

730
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: same deer and just get away from that person. If

731
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: they were going to continue to hunt there, I would

732
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: just move on him and hunting, you know, maybe a

733
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: quarter mile away somewhere else, because there's always room to

734
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: move on on deer in the big woods. Always, there's

735
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: always room to move on.

736
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: Them, all right, So speaking of movin, I've got one

737
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: here that that I feel like I know exactly what

738
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: a Justin Hollinsworth would do, or I know what a

739
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: Andre Dequista would do. I'm not one hundred percent sure

740
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: I know what you would do with this one. Imagine

741
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: you have one of these very well put together sites

742
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: that you've described several times. You've got the community scrape

743
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: area dialed. You've been working this maybe for years or

744
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: at least months leading up to this hunt. Right, we're

745
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: to say, yeah, at least months, and we're gonna say,

746
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: we're gonna say this is a November situation here okay,

747
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: and your camera has been there, your scrapes have been there,

748
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: your stand is prepped, it's perfectly hidden. You've obviously dotted

749
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: your eyes and crossed your t's. You show up to

750
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: hunt in November and you see three different bucks this morning.

751
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: One of them is a shooter, to others like pretty nice.

752
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: All of them are forty to fifty yards out of

753
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: range for some reason. Everything is just outside of where

754
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: you would typically want it to be, and they're not

755
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: coming into your spot. Would you, I guess I won't

756
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: to even give you options. What would you do in

757
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: this scenario where in the same morning you see three

758
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: different bucks do the same thing, all out of range.

759
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: Right right, and now you're you're also adding in that

760
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 3: I try to call them to me and it still

761
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 3: didn't work.

762
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, because I'm imagining like an Andre or a Justin,

763
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: they might right away tear down their set and go

764
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: move to where they're seeing this moving. But with you

765
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: having invested so much time into picking these spots and

766
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: making them so good right where you want them to be,

767
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm curious if you trust your spot more than you

768
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: trust the eyes, or or what your process would be.

769
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really trust my preparation. My preparation has always

770
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: paid off. I'm extremely patient and as long and that

771
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: you know, if you're gonna move on him, even if

772
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: it's one hundred yards fifty yards, that move has to

773
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: work with the win, the entrance and the exit just

774
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: that far away, Like you got to map that out

775
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: in your head to even consider moving on them. Two

776
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: fold answer here, I have moved on dear big time

777
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: in November because they moved on me. Fifty yards is

778
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: a different scenario than a quarter mile. Fifty yards fifty yards.

779
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: He's right there in my wheelhouse, and based on the

780
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: intel that I have on that shooter deer I'm after,

781
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm going to play the odds. If nobody's around, nope,

782
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to look at their demeanor. I'm going to

783
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: look at their body language and if they're just doing

784
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 3: what white tails should be doing in November, and they're

785
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: just outside of where I want to shoot them, or

786
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 3: I didn't have a shooting lane at fifty yards fifty

787
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: some of poke, in my opinion for white tails out

788
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: of a tree stand, A lot of guys do it.

789
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: I usually kill everything at under twenty that's because my

790
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 3: setups are set up for that. I would play much

791
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: more of the patient game on that deer because I'm

792
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: right with him and in the mountains, in the vast country.

793
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 3: Fifty yards is nothing like. That's like a yeah, he's

794
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: basically dead if he doesn't know I'm there, if he's

795
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: been frequenting there, If he just happened to get lucky

796
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 3: that day and get a trail just out of where

797
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 3: I wanted to shoot him, I would. I would believe

798
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: wholeheartedly if he showed no behavior whatsoever of being nervous

799
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: in there. When I'm in there, I would actually be like, yeah,

800
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: he's in trouble, because I'll kill him tomorrow or two

801
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: days from now or three days from now, based on

802
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 3: everything he shows me. Yeah, I probably wouldn't just tear

803
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: down and move over for any reason at a fifty

804
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: yard range. Now, let's say I'm in Ohio and I

805
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: have limited space, and I need to be thirty yards

806
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 3: over to kill this deer, and I'm on a short

807
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: one week window to kill a specific deer, I'm tearing

808
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 3: down and moving just like Andre and Justin. Because you

809
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: hunt the situation, you don't hunt blanket statements you hunt

810
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: the situation, so if I'm limited on space, I need

811
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: to get over there. That's the trail. They like, I'm

812
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: moving on them right away. Yes, is that fair?

813
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, I'm gonna throw one more kind of

814
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: wrench into it for you. And let's imagine, And I'm curious.

815
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: I liked how you broke that down on what you

816
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: would do at home where you have this you know,

817
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: long window and a lot of prep versus like a

818
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: shorter hunt in a new place. Imagine this slight tweak

819
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: on that scenario. Let's imagine you only have one buck

820
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: you're after. It's one really special buck you're after, as

821
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,479
Speaker 2: you often are, and it's again this November time frame.

822
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: It's evening, you've been sitting. It's an evening hunt. The

823
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: last couple hours of daylight are just ahead of you,

824
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: and you see the one buck you're after, but instead

825
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: of just passing by out of range, he's actually with

826
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 2: a dough. He's locked on a dough and they were

827
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: kind of walking slowly straight away from you. Two hours

828
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: of daylight. What are you do in that scenario? He's

829
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: right there, but he's locked on a dough, walks away

830
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: from you. Slowly. They're just doing their thing. What are

831
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: you doing?

832
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: All right? I'm smiling because I don't know if you

833
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: can see this buck back here now you can't.

834
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: I can't.

835
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: Back there in the corner.

836
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, so three years.

837
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: Ago that happened. Okay, that's a buck I call half rock.

838
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: He's hidden up and down in a corner. You can't

839
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: see him. But he was just to give your listeners

840
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: and he grows to hirred and seventy two inches. Jeez,

841
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: mountain buck, just to I mean, you're talking. And I

842
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: shared that with you, not to be cool. I shared

843
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: that because it's a buck I wanted to kill. I

844
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: wasn't going to shoot any other deal. He did it

845
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: to me, came across above me, was with a dough

846
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: and I really study a white tail's wants and needs

847
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: based on his body language and behavior. And I knew

848
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 3: what he was wanting. I knew what he was doing,

849
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: and it was I posted a picture of this after

850
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: I killed him two days later, three days later. It's

851
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: a short window behind that I killed him, might have

852
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: been four or five days at the most, just there

853
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: with me here, I posted. I took a picture of

854
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: him because I looked at him, and that's who I

855
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: wanted to kill. And he was with that dough and

856
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: I had about two hours left in the daylight. He

857
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: was beautiful out afternoon, snow on the ground, looking up

858
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: a steep mountain face. They came across the lateral trail

859
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: above me that drops down to my community scraps just

860
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: off to the northeast of me, probably twenty yards away,

861
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: and I thought, I ain't saying a word. I'm not

862
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: making a noise either that doe is going to come

863
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: down through here and I'm gonna kill this buck or

864
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wait, I'm not gonna blow him out of here.

865
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 3: I got him. He's in here, comfortable with two hours

866
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: of daylight left, and all of that process through my

867
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: mind based on his body language. So I took my

868
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: camera and took a picture of it, and I videoed,

869
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: and they walked across the lateral trail above me, and

870
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 3: I think I posted this at fifty three yards and

871
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: I thought about, you know, I could he came across

872
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 3: the glade and mark. You know, Idaho it has open

873
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 3: glades in some spot, So there's this little tiny glade

874
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: that's about thirty yards wide, there's just no trees above me.

875
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: And I used that opening because most of time then

876
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: bucks will skirt it and come right down to me

877
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: instead of walking across it. But we all know why

878
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: he walked right across it. He had his nose with

879
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 3: a dough. So I played the odds. I said, I'm

880
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: just very patient, and I never or I don't anymore

881
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: at all. I'd never let like, I really try not

882
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: to make foolish mistakes when I'm after a buck of

883
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: a lifetime, you know, for most for anybody, even me.

884
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: You know, anytime I get into that quality of buck,

885
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: it's like this is again a buck of a lifetime

886
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: out here. So let him go. He went, the dough

887
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: went into the timber above me to the right. They

888
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: went to the north of me, and he followed her.

889
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: I took that video. I think I took a video

890
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: of him, and it did a steal off the videos.

891
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 3: What I did, I did it real careful, real careful,

892
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: because I want to get some I want to get

893
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 3: some be roll of him, you know, I wanted some

894
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 3: be roll. Yeah, well I did that and they never

895
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 3: came back. I sat there till dark. I listened to them,

896
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 3: and you know, this is something to share who You

897
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: really learn a lot about dere when you're patient and

898
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 3: you don't allow that adrenaline to take over and try

899
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: something that's iffy. I really hate. I really hate wounding

900
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: deer like I like to slam dunk kill him close.

901
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: So it paid off. I can't remember the exact days,

902
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: but within one week I killed that gear right there,

903
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 3: and instead of him coming across the lateral trail with

904
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: that dough, he had serviced her, taken care of her

905
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 3: as soon as he left her alone, and he was

906
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: done with her. It probably was five or six days later,

907
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: because that I think that's how it played out. He

908
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 3: was already checking on my other does in the family

909
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: group and hitting the scrape again. So I capitalized, in

910
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: my opinion on leaving him be not messing it up,

911
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 3: knowing I was in his wheelhouse, knowing that he had

912
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: more does to service there, and I killed him within

913
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 3: a week. To be fair to listeners, within a week,

914
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: I killed him. He was at fifty three when he

915
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: hit that lateral trail. I killed him at thirty three

916
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: to thirty five. Coming down off that lateral trail a

917
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: week later, down to hit the scrapes on his way

918
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: down at thirty three to thirty five. And you know,

919
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 3: to me, I made the right play on an old

920
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: mountain buck that everybody was trying to kill in that area.

921
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: I know multiple hunters that were trying to kill him.

922
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: I was in his pocket of comfort. Reverting back to

923
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: the Adirondacks, Yeah, I would look for those places that

924
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 3: I just sense and feel hard to get to really

925
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: good cover habitat thermals wind breeding areas in early November,

926
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 3: those pockets of comfort where those deer just feel safe.

927
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: I was in the right pocket to kill that deer

928
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: when I killed them. And I had multiple doze on

929
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 3: the community scrape on the laking branches year around there.

930
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: And he knows it. He grew up on me. I

931
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: knew that deer from when he was younger. But anyway,

932
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: I hope that answers it. That's my play. I didn't

933
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: move my stand because my stand is just bulletproof there

934
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: for almost every wind situation because of some terrain features

935
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: and barriers, I just stayed. I stayed put at that

936
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 3: tree where I was hunting and killed them a week later. Yeah.

937
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: That and also I think another important thing is that

938
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: you didn't in that moment when he was walking away

939
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: with that dell. You weren't sending out hail mary grunts

940
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: or rattling or making any racket trying to make it

941
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: happen right then, either, which I was a lot of

942
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: people do.

943
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was quiet. I was quiet, Mark, I was quiet.

944
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: And if there's anything I've learned to kill these old,

945
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: real savvy, mature mountain bucks out here, I only talk

946
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: to them when I think the time is right, and

947
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 3: I usually only soft social dough grunt if they're by themselves,

948
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: because that never threatens them. Or if there's multiple deer around,

949
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 3: in a younger buck around in this scenario, I will

950
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: snort weason and they'll use it. Come right in. If

951
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: you have other deer, like stay down at your scrape

952
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: or in the in the invisibility in the area, have

953
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 3: that deer scent right there in November, I will snort

954
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 3: weeze at a big mountain buck with the right scenario.

955
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: Two to me, he was so enthralled with her, he

956
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: was willing to walk across that open glade two hours

957
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: in the daylight. And that immediately told me this guy's

958
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: in love. So I just left him be, and I

959
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: was hoping that dough would pull him to me without

960
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: me saying a word. I didn't want to figger it.

961
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 3: I didn't touch the grap too. I just let him

962
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: do their thing.

963
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: What did you do that next day? Did you go

964
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 2: right back in that same spot?

965
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 3: Well, because of my work schedule, and this is three

966
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: years ago, so I'm going to try to get this

967
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 3: as accurate as I can. So if somebody goes back

968
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: and listens to another podcast, don't bust my ass on it.

969
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: But it's I. I looked at my I remember, I

970
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 3: was like, yes, and I've never text and tie and Jess,

971
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: that probably gonna kill him. He's in trouble because he's

972
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: he loves it in here and he's got he's on

973
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: this dough. I okay, I believe I went back and

974
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: tried to hunt him on that dough after work for

975
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 3: a two hour window. I believe one time, because that's

976
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: all I had with work schedule. But then I was

977
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: freed up being teaching only four days a week. We're

978
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: on a four day work week out here. I was

979
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: freed up to hunt him for three days on a weekend,

980
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: if you will. I killed him on the first day

981
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: I had off that. That's great. So I think I

982
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 3: killed him Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I think I killed him

983
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 3: the first day of the three. I had to hunt him,

984
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: so almost almost a week later. Yep, interesting, I remember, right,

985
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 3: and he uh, he was in there on the camera too, Mark.

986
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 3: I got to watch the intel I had. I had

987
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 3: three cameras in there, and I got to watch him

988
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: service that dough for a couple more days, you know,

989
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: after I looked at all the intail. This is after

990
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: the fact, after I kill him and actually pulled cards. Yeah,

991
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 3: and then I got to see how it all played out.

992
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 3: He was in there the whole time, even at least

993
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: at night when daylight. He daylighted a couple of times,

994
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: not on the little two hour window I had to

995
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 3: hunt him. I didn't see him that day, but I

996
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 3: didn't lose any hope. I know it was just a

997
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: matter of time with with this area, and because I

998
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 3: had those other doughs, he was that I got to

999
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: look at after the fact. He was a hearty snooping

1000
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: for those other doughs. Within three or four days after

1001
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: I saw him with the dough once he serviced her. Yep,

1002
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: that's why he came back to those scrapes.

1003
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this is another scenario. Then I'm

1004
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: gonna take a little bit of something you inspired me

1005
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 2: to think about, which is a scenario that I've experienced

1006
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: and I frequently debated how I would approach this differently

1007
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: based on the deer density of the area I'm in,

1008
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: and I have some assumptions about the deer density in

1009
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: a big woods place. I know, northern Idaho is a

1010
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: little bit unique when it comes to I think it's

1011
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: a little bit unique compared to other big woods place

1012
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: they've hunted. But ah, I guess rather than me giving

1013
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: this whole preamble patist, she just ask the question. The

1014
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: question is this. Imagine Imagine you're hunting. You're hunting one

1015
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: of these great spots that you've prepped. All Right, You've

1016
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: just said you have a lot of patience and you

1017
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: have a lot of confidence in your spots. Let's say

1018
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: you have a spot where there was some cell service,

1019
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: so you have a cell camera in there, and you

1020
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: have confirmation not only that this is a great spot

1021
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: because you prepped it well and you picked it well,

1022
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: but also you have pictures of the buck you're after

1023
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: several times in the last week in this spot it's November.

1024
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: You go there to sit, and you sit three full

1025
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: days and you don't see hide or hair, not just

1026
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: of him, but nothing else. You set three full days

1027
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: during the rut and see nothing? Yeap, do you what

1028
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: do you do? What do you do in that scenario?

1029
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing is if you go three full

1030
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: days and see nothing, it's your problem. You're screwing it up.

1031
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: It's me. It's my entrance, my exit where I'm parking.

1032
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: Something from where I park to get there, to get

1033
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: in the tree is burgery, ruining everything. There's something in

1034
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: my game plan that's wrong. If you don't see anything

1035
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: for three full days after consistency. Now, if it was

1036
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 3: one day mark, that could be And I do need

1037
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: to add this in unless a pack of wolves or

1038
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: a mountain lion comes in. So I do have to

1039
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: add that in. And sometimes that happens to me because

1040
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: I don't always get the predators on camera. My location

1041
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: just goes dead. But when I have snow almost always

1042
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: marked that time of year, all I have to do

1043
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 3: is go in there and like everything's dead, nothing is right,

1044
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 3: the tracks aren't there in the snow. I'll go for

1045
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 3: a little walk. If it isn't right, I'll get out

1046
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: of that stand or get out of that tree or

1047
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: wherever I hunt. You know, sometimes I'm going in hanging

1048
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 3: to set and this just isn't right. I don't see

1049
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: the sign. Let's say it was a cell camera and

1050
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: it turned off, or excuse me, the sign and the

1051
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: turned off. I got to go find if a predator's

1052
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: been there, and usually that's the case for me. Usually

1053
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: usually it's wolves or lions that run all my stuff

1054
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 3: away for up to a week or two. But back

1055
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 3: to the original question, it's my issue. I am doing

1056
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: something wrong. If I go sit three days on a

1057
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 3: freaking cell camera that's been proving to me all the

1058
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: deer want to be there until I get there, that's

1059
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 3: on me. So then I got to break down, what

1060
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: are you doing wrong? How are these deer identifying that

1061
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: they don't want to be here when you're here. Usually

1062
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: it's going to be wind, it could be sighted, it

1063
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 3: could be both, it could be sound, it could be

1064
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: all three. So I just play off of their senses

1065
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: and ask myself where am I making mistakes? To circle

1066
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 3: back to that deer we just talked about that I

1067
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: killed two weeks prior to me killing him, he tracked

1068
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: me in the snow down to my pickup. One of

1069
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 3: the first days I hunted ed. He tracked me all

1070
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: the way down to my pickup at night. After I

1071
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: hunted him really early in November, and because I came

1072
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 3: back to hunt him and saw his tracks all the

1073
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: way down to my truck in my tracks, and then

1074
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: he walked down the ridge further, I started packing or

1075
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: parking an extra half a mile back instantly because I

1076
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: knew he I knew that he bird dogged me. He

1077
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: picked up my scent, my ground scent, tracked me. That

1078
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: was the first time I hunted that deer. I just

1079
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: talked about that I killed. Then I parked way back,

1080
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 3: walked in a little bit of a different route, and

1081
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: then I had him, you know, with the doe that

1082
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 3: one day, and then killed him a week later because

1083
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 3: I made a change instantly because of his tracks in

1084
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: my tracks, in my foot tracks.

1085
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: Fascinating the things that they do. They are survival machines.

1086
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: He literally walked down my entrance trail in the snow

1087
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 3: to where my truck was parked and literally walked in

1088
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 3: my pickup tracks in the snow, then veered off and

1089
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: went down a ridge off the road. Yep.

1090
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: Wow, here's one that I hate to throw out at

1091
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: you because it's something we never want to have to consider.

1092
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: But I'm curious just how you handle these moments. I'm

1093
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 2: assuming maybe you've been in this at least once most

1094
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: of us have. You're hunting one of these spots, your

1095
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: big old target buck comes in just like you wrote

1096
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: it up on the script, gives you that beautiful twenty

1097
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: yard shot that you want, and God forbids, something goes

1098
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: wrong and you clean miss that deer. Yep, it's nine am.

1099
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: It's November first, nine am. Clean miss. He runs off,

1100
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: He's out of there. You're sick in there at nine ten?

1101
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: And what's going through your head? What do you do next?

1102
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: What is your what is your process post miss for

1103
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: the rest of the day, for the next couple of days,

1104
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: for how you deal with.

1105
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: That that happened to me four years ago? I had

1106
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: not I had not missed a white tail buck in

1107
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: a couple of decades. Yeah, because three years ago I

1108
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 3: killed the one we just talked about. The year before that,

1109
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: I was hunting a tremendous dare that a buddy of

1110
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 3: mine ended up killing, so I got to you know,

1111
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 3: I know what the deer, I me. He and I

1112
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: both knew the deer, and we always were very respectful

1113
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: each other and where we were hunting, so we never bothered.

1114
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: We never messed each other up, and I was glad

1115
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: he killed it. But anyway, long story short, I did

1116
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 3: shoot right over that buck, and it did happen to me,

1117
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 3: and I ended up killing another great buck there. And

1118
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 3: this was what I'm getting at. If I shoot right

1119
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: over a buck, clean miss, that is not disturbing the

1120
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: woods very much. If I have another potential shooter in

1121
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 3: the area, or if it's rut and I just think

1122
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: a big trespasser could show up, clean Miss, I'm not

1123
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 3: getting down and tracking a shitty shot. I'm not disturbing anything.

1124
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 3: The only two entities in those mountains that heard me

1125
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 3: miss him or he and I. He might even come

1126
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: back later if he doesn't know what it was and

1127
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 3: doesn't smell me. If he doesn't smell me, see me,

1128
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 3: or know quite what that bow was going off and

1129
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 3: just get spooked. What time of the day did you

1130
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 3: say it was? When I'm sitting all day, I am leaving,

1131
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 3: especially if I'm in a great you're talking ruddy time right,

1132
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: November time. I am not leaving, especially if I feel

1133
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: super confident about the the bucks that are in the area,

1134
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 3: even if it's not him. So I'm not leaving. I'm

1135
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 3: just getting quiet again, probably laughing at myself and texting

1136
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: my son and I just effing missed freaking one of

1137
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 3: the biggest deer in my life, which I did, and

1138
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 3: I'm I'm one hundred percent eating humble pie, and I'm

1139
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: probably talking to God a little bit about all right,

1140
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 3: what do I need to clean up in my life

1141
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: because that you're telling me some Yeah, you know, I'm

1142
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: probably I'm probably going through the whole scenario of laughing

1143
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 3: at myself in my mind, but staying, staying in the game,

1144
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 3: knowing that it is good to be humbled, and it

1145
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 3: actually is. And then I'm also evaluating me in my mind,

1146
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: like what did you do wrong? Why did you miss?

1147
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 3: Have you even shot your bow the last couple of

1148
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: days because you're hiking up through this brush? See all

1149
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 3: that went through my mind when I missed that big

1150
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 3: deer four years ago. Sure enough, Mark, I went home,

1151
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 3: shot my bowl in the dark at my else that night,

1152
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 3: and I was eight inches high.

1153
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had.

1154
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 3: I had had one of my microadjusts on my site

1155
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: completely come loose. That's on me. That's on me, that's

1156
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 3: you know. And I did talk about it in some podcasts.

1157
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: But no, I'm not leaving Mark. I stayed where I'll

1158
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: stay right in there. I actually went back to kill

1159
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: that deer and had what I thought was a trespasser

1160
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 3: that I later realized I did have him on camera

1161
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 3: a tiny bit, but not enough to say I had him.

1162
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: I ended up killing a different buck on that spot

1163
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: that same year.

1164
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, not not a situation you ever want

1165
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: to find yourself in. But usually what matters the most

1166
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: is what you do in the coming hours and days

1167
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: when you have to make or break. What are you

1168
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: gonna do next?

1169
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 3: I will say this, since that miss, the last three

1170
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,959
Speaker 3: big boys I've killed back last three years since him,

1171
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 3: have been very well hit, very well hit. Like get

1172
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 3: my shit wired tight wired to hunt, you gotta have

1173
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 3: your fit wired tight, especially especially when we're you know,

1174
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: you start hunting August, You're going so hard. It is

1175
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: so easy to not go shoot that bowl. When you're

1176
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 3: wore out, you're tired, you're getting home after dark. You'd

1177
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 3: leave them before daylight. Shoot it under your street light

1178
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 3: if you have to at twenty yards to make sure

1179
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 3: it's on. That's all I would have had to do.

1180
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 3: I had no idea. I literally, I was literally was

1181
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: eight inches high. It was stupid. My whole sight was

1182
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 3: just crazy off. And yeah, and it's it's my I mean,

1183
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: I'm sure I busted at loose walking through the brush

1184
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 3: to get up in there, because I had to. You know,

1185
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 3: there's spots in there where i'd get to I'd hold

1186
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 3: my bow above my head to get through the brush,

1187
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 3: and I'm sure I snagged it, busted it loose and

1188
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 3: didn't realize it.

1189
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the last this is the last phase

1190
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: of the gauntlet. We're just going to do a quick

1191
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: set of rapid fire questions. It's four or five questions here,

1192
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 2: one word answer. I'm going to tell you like this

1193
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: or this, and you've got to pick. We'll go through

1194
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: that very quickly, and I've got one last funky question

1195
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: for you to really expand on, and we'll let you

1196
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: get off to the rest of your day. Right, one word, right,

1197
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: one word for this first set of questions here, Okay, okay,

1198
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: does the moon matter to deer movement? Yes or no?

1199
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 3: Yes?

1200
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white

1201
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: tail with your bow? Yes or no?

1202
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: Don't need too No.

1203
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: If you had to pick one of these two and

1204
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: it would be the only tool you get to use

1205
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: for the rest of your hunting days, would you choose

1206
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 2: the rattling antlers or the grunt tube grunt expandable or

1207
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: fixed blade broad heads fixed? Should you stop a buck

1208
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 2: that's walking with some kind of sound before shooting with

1209
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: your bow? Yes?

1210
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 3: Or no? Situational?

1211
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 2: Fair enough? All right, and this one you can expand on.

1212
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 2: You can paint as big of a picture as you want. Here.

1213
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: Imagine that I am in control of your hunting privileges

1214
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna take away your hunting license for the

1215
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 2: rest of your life unless you can kill a five

1216
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: year old buck this year. Gotta kill a five year

1217
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: old buck. Okay, you have to do it in one

1218
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: day from one location. So you get to pick the

1219
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: date and you get to pick the location where you

1220
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: are gonna kill this very high stakes five year old

1221
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: or older buck. Tell me what date you're gonna pick,

1222
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 2: and then paint for me. Is as detailed of a

1223
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 2: picture as you can of that best possible stand site

1224
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: on that best possible day.

1225
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: For that scenario, only that it costs me my life

1226
01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 3: to hunting opening day Mountain butted up against alfalfa up

1227
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: in the timber, a little closer to his betting, I'll

1228
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 3: kill him coming to the alfalfa had a scrape opening

1229
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 3: day August thirtieth, if I have to do it, but

1230
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,560
Speaker 3: I have to have a destination food source like alfalfa

1231
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 3: for it for me to pick that. If not, if not,

1232
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 3: mark it's community scrape middle of November. Any day in

1233
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 3: one of my community scrapes that are really hard to

1234
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 3: get to that I get daylight every day of old bucks,

1235
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 3: and I would make sure because you didn't say one

1236
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 3: buck he just has to be five years old, Yep,

1237
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 3: I would hunt. I would hunt my roster that had

1238
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,919
Speaker 3: the most five year old bucks at that best community

1239
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: scrape in mid November.

1240
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: Yep. Makes sense. A quick file up on that early

1241
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,480
Speaker 2: season hunt though a scrape back off of the alfalfa.

1242
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: If you had to pick the usual distance, how far

1243
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: back off that field would you want to be? Ideally,

1244
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 2: give me a window there are we talking one hundred yards,

1245
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: five hundred yards fifty?

1246
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, out here in these mountains. Of course, it'd be

1247
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 3: the laking branch that I would have, that unbelievable destination

1248
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 3: food source that he is so drawn to. And there's

1249
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 3: the biggest white tail I've ever killed my life. That's

1250
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 3: how I killed him September first. But I killed him

1251
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 3: on top of the mountain that led down his main

1252
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 3: trail to the alfalfa in the bottom. So I was

1253
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: four hundred yards from the alfalfa because that's where I

1254
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 3: got him daylighting on a liking branch in a saddle.

1255
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 3: That's why I brought that up. And he was to

1256
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 3: this day mark and I still see it to this

1257
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,919
Speaker 3: day when I have alfalfa in the basins of mountains,

1258
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 3: and I do have some places I hunt like that

1259
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 3: where I'm on a mountain but great feet below, and

1260
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: alfalfa is such a great draw as the Canadians, you

1261
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 3: get them those old bucks, especially when they like this

1262
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 3: buck was eight years old. That was his life and

1263
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 3: that was his happiness was getting eat that alfalfa when

1264
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: he was older and he had no idea somebody was

1265
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 3: going to hunt him. August thirtieth. I killed him September

1266
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 3: first because I had the right wind. But My point

1267
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 3: is the dude was doing it every day, and I

1268
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: watched him do it in the glass from the middle

1269
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 3: of July on literally almost almost every day that I

1270
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 3: scouted him from a long ways away with the binoculars.

1271
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 3: It was his routine. So his routine was just phenomenal

1272
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 3: for a mountain white tail, and it was because there

1273
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 3: was destination incredible food below, That's why. But I had

1274
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 3: to hunt him way high. I had to get up

1275
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: where he was. He would never get to the alfalfa

1276
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 3: in the daylight, not even close. So I did a

1277
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 3: hunting probably four hundred yards up on the mountain in

1278
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: a saddle. But I could glass, So I had glass.

1279
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 3: I had glass evidence I'll mean before trail cameras.

1280
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting this, Uh, this is exactly what I was

1281
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 2: hoping to be Troy. I've thoroughly enjoyed this chat. I

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01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: love the thought process you put into the stuff, how

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Speaker 2: you think through it, and I communicate very very helpful, Troy,

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Speaker 2: So thank you for that. If folks want to see

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Speaker 2: some of your past hunts or see some future stuff,

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, where can people do this? What should they

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Speaker 2: keep an eye for moving forward?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, Mark, I want to thank you

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 3: for giving me the privilege to be on your show.

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01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 3: You do an amazing job. Thankyle to like it. I

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01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 3: also like that we have a little bit of Idaho

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Speaker 3: in common with each other.

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: Yes for cool anyway state.

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01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: People can find me the easiest for anything Hunt related.

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01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 3: Just on my Instagram MTN Underscore Man, Mountain Man thirty three.

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Speaker 3: I try to answer anybody that asked me a question. Always,

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Speaker 3: try to give back always. And then I worked for

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Speaker 3: the Quisto family, Long Wolf, Lone Wolf Custom Gear, a

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Speaker 3: team leader on the addictions show, and then you know,

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: work with sponsorships and things like that for addictions. So

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01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 3: we have our white Tail Addiction show on YouTube. Our

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01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 3: first episode just aired this week with Andre, so please

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 3: people go out and watch that episode. It just came out.

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Speaker 3: Andre's just been an amazing guy to my family and

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Speaker 3: to me over the years. Yeah. So just the Addictions,

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01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 3: Lone Wolf Custom Gear, White Tail Addictions, and then my

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Speaker 3: Instagram and I try to keep it real simple and

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01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 3: in those in those lanes of where people can find

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Speaker 3: me and talk to me. And I got an episode

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Speaker 3: coming out this year. I don't know when my episode

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Speaker 3: will roll out, but it'll be on that big Mountain

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Speaker 3: Buck I killed last year at almost five thousand feet

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Speaker 3: elevation up in the high mountains. Awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that one, Troy, and looking forward

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Speaker 2: to following how this season goes for you. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you've got sure you've got a good one or two

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01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 2: that's in big trouble this year. So best of luck

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Speaker 2: and thank you again.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Mark. I've been working hard at it, and this

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Speaker 3: year is the first year in either fifteen or sixteen years,

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Speaker 3: I do not have a son having a football season.

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Speaker 3: My son, Tyson, has graduated from Montana State, and we

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Speaker 3: are going to really have some time on our side

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Speaker 3: this year, and I get a hunt with Tie again,

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Speaker 3: so it's going to be a blast.

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Speaker 2: That's so cool. Good for you guys. Well, have a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun with your boys. That's the most important,

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Speaker 2: the best thing of all.

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Speaker 3: Right there, hey man, Thanks Mark.

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Speaker 2: All Right, that's a wrap. Thank you for joining me,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in. Hopefully you learned a lot from

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Speaker 2: this one, and stay tuned. We've got another great episode,

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Speaker 2: a conclusion to our what would You Do? Series coming

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Speaker 2: next week, so stay tuned until then, stay wired to

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Speaker 2: Hunt