WEBVTT - HR2: Final Countdown 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.280 At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.160 Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:14.040 Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.480 And welcome back to the Drive here on the Steelers 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.640 Audio Network. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:34.280 And you know. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.360 By the imposing music, yes, that the Dean of Doom, 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.920 the Lord of living in his fears, is now joining 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.120 us on the Justin Miller Hotline. How you doing labs? 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.720 Okay, the Dean is taking charge here up of this segment. Okay, 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.920 I have a question for both of each of you, guys. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.560 Oh, bring it on, great, Yes, all right, you. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.760 Are picking for the Steelers, and you have the first 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:06.120 overall pick, so you can add any player who is 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:10.080 eligible and availab well, obviously they're all available. Any player 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.760 who is eligible for this draft to add to the 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.000 current Steelers roster to help them for the twenty twenty 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.039 five season. Who you got? 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.760 Take it away? I know both of our answers. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.000 We kind of we just get to, you know, just 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.960 in our top twenty one in the opening segment, and 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.720 you're probably gonna disagree with this, but I'm taking cam 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.800 Ward just ahead of Travis Hunter. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.200 And I'm taking Hunter just above cam Ward because I 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.160 think receiver and corner are minor needs. And I frankly 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.640 think he's a very very special prospect. And I'm a 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.600 Ward fan, but I will dip my toe in the 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:49.880 quarterback market next year. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.480 Okay, interesting, interesting. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:55.800 Who you taking? 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.760 Well, I'm gonna you know, I don't know enough about 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:04.360 am Ward. You know, I've watched a little TV. I 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.120 watched Miami some. You know, he was interesting. I mean 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.560 I enjoyed watching the Hurricanes play. I mean that's my 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:16.799 you know, my total uh, you know, evaluation. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.560 Let's put it this way, Bob. We've gone through with 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.760 with a couple of the people who are quarterback quote 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.400 unquote experts or gurus or whatever you want to say. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.880 And the comp that keeps coming back on cam Ward 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.680 is he sawed off Ben Roethlisberger, which. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:33.679 I think is a little rich. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.919 Though might be a little rich. But if you give 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:41.480 me Ben Roethlisberger, give me eighty five nine Ben Roethlisberger. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:47.800 And Okay, because I was gonna say, what what what 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.280 does saw off mean? He's short, He's a shorter Ben Roethlisberger. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:53.959 He's got small hands. I think he's six y one, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:55.280 but he's thickly built. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.200 Yeah. Well, I mean, if that's the case, I'm taking 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:04.760 a quarterback. But I mean again, I am admitting, you know, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:11.440 my deficiencies in the talent evaluation area every year because 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.440 I don't see anything except you know, when I'm watching 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.120 college football on Saturdays, and so I'm a you know, 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.520 kind of a victim of who's ever on TV. So, 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.639 but you know, the Travis Hunter pick to me is interesting, 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:29.880 So where's he playing? 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.600 There would be some juggling. I would mostly play him 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.320 at receiver for a stealer for the Steelers. I think 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.880 he's basically an equal prospect at both. And he's the 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.160 best corner and the best receiver in this draft. So 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.480 even if he can't do both, I think you'd be 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.360 really happy with it. But I would try to at 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:53.200 least get him out there on offense third and longs 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:55.840 yeah two many. You know, when there's too much left 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.560 in the game and you need a touchdown to win, 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.560 even if he's only running a short rout or a 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.640 condensed rout tree, I think it's pretty special. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.200 See, i'd play m a cornerback because I would to 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:07.840 start him, but I would start him. You said you 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:08.960 start them at wide receiver. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.680 I didn't mean that I would I played more to 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:12.320 the corner here. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.160 If I had If I were the Steelers and I 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.800 had the number one overall pick and I wasn't going 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.200 to go take the quarterback, I wouldn't have signed Sleigh 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.320 and I would just takeing Travis Hunter and say, here 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.919 you go, Travis, here that you're you're starting on the outside. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.480 No, No, that wasn't That wasn't that weren't That wasn't 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:34.840 the parameters. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:32.720 As it is now. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.680 Okay, Genie comes out of the bottle and says, you 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.559 get the first pick in the draft, Now who you're taking? 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.559 Well, then I would also consider asking Genty there. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.400 I would take both those guys over Genty. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.599 Saying that helped the team. Now, I would still take Ward, 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.839 but I might consider Genty over for for this year. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.839 If that's the exercise, we're just trying to put together 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.040 the best team we can put out there this year. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.120 Well, you add them to the roster. It's not like 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.440 you don't get them two years from now. I understand, right, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.360 you just got granted the first overall pick right in there. 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.880 How you understand nobody. I'm still taking Ward, but I 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.800 would consider genty because I think he's special. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.120 Yeah, yeah, I think he's pretty great. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.839 But you wouldn't. You wouldn't consider the depth of the 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:21.000 running back position and think, if I'm going to add someone, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:27.040 I can I can add a running back well Friday 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:32.520 or Saturday and help the team more in a different area. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.120 Well, I'm still saying I would take Ward over over Genty, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.839 but Genty would be in my I would think about genty. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.440 Let me complicate things, lab Do we still have picked 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:42.880 twenty one? 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.239 No? No, that's your that's your only first round pick. Okay, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.120 the only thing you can't do because I think that 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.560 maybe the most valuable thing would be the trade out. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:53.080 Obviously. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.480 Yeah, yeah, I would field. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:59.000 Off because I think he end up with you get 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.599 your Dack had the number one overall pick, you'd get 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.680 who's ever trading with you. They'd have to give you 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.200 this year's one, and I think you get another one 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:09.080 at least. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.760 Probably and probably somebody's next year in somebody's two in 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.719 this draft a year back into the second round, Which 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.200 is I. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.040 Didn't I didn't want to add trading to. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.640 The mad Our head spin. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:27.200 Right, Well, and that's that's way too you know, there's 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.120 way too much projection in that. I mean, there's a 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.720 lot of projection in this. But if you say you 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:40.039 got to pick somebody, uh yeah, I I'm just you're 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.799 not interested in Abdul Carter. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.240 No, not not. I mean he'd edge guy. I mean, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:50.400 he'd be fighting Smith for snaps. I'm just good enough there. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.200 And he's got he's got some injury stuff that kind 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:52.760 of scares me. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:07:01.800 But yeah, you know, I think Travis Hunter helps more 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:07.279 this year as a corner. I agree, Yeah, I really, 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:13.000 I really believe that you've got to get somebody like 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:17.920 Joey Porter junior opposite Joey Porter Junior. Maybe Darius Slay 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.960 is that guy, and you know, we'll find out. But 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.800 if I could add right at top of the depth 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:29.160 chart corner who can play, you know, man to man, 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.280 line up and play a guy on that side of 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.000 the field, I really think that opens up your defense 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.160 for a lot of the kinds of pressure things you 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.000 want to do. Maybe it frees up your free safety 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.160 to be able to go back, you know, to roam 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.880 in the field and becoming a ballhawk again. I think 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.400 your pressure package has become much more effective. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.560 Labs. We were actually talking about that yesterday. And I'm 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.480 not ripping on Dante Jackson, but his inability to really 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.960 be a man coverage corner I thought hurt this defense 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.440 for all those reasons. You know, like I bet they 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.960 have fifteen more sacks if they have that corner you're 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.560 talking about. You know what I mean, Like the ball 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.720 doesn't come out immediately if you're playing bump and run 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.040 man and you're blitzing more. And I think a ripple 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.560 effect of a man coverage corner would have massive effects 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:18.280 on this defense. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.520 Okay, well, interesting, I agree, I'm agreeing with it. It's 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.760 your show, so you can go back now to talk 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.880 on what you want to talk about. I'm satisfied with 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.600 my contribution. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.520 What would your thoughts on should or Sanders be at 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.600 twenty one? And I know you haven't broke down his 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.679 footwork and his reads and but you're familiar with them. 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.360 You don't live under a rock, and you know who 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.120 his dad is and all that. I mean, I'm not 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:46.760 big on it, but I can understand it. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.560 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm gonna be honest 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:56.119 here too. When I watched Colorado the last two seasons. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.400 I rooted against them heavy because his dad, to me, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:04.520 is just in sufferable, insufferable and I and well, let 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.600 me say this too, in fairness to Dion, I think 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.880 a lot of it has to do with the way 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.360 the media fawns all over him. You know, this coach 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:20.680 prime crap to me is that's not your name. So 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.400 I'm calling you by your name, Coach Sanders if you want, 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.680 or Dion or Sanders or whatever. But that whole coach 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.840 prime genuflection that was going on every time he was 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:38.880 talked about just just turn my stomach. So I am 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:45.400 going to acknowledge that a lot of I watched Colorado 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:51.080 through that prism of my bias or attitude to how 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:58.040 that was unfolding. Now, I don't know necessarily that Dion 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.960 would be a pain in the butt once his kid 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:06.360 is in an NFL team, So and I don't know 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.680 enough of box should do or I just don't. I 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:16.920 certainly am throwing out pretty much everything he did when 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:24.720 he played at Jackson State, because at that level, you 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:25.440 have him, you have. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.880 The best player in the country. Is he was voted 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.000 the best player in the country last year. For this 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.800 past season, and you had him at playing at that level. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.840 And you're an NFL quarterback playing at Jackson State. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.440 And the other thing was, you know, he got sacked 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.320 a lot, But was that because he was holding onto 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.000 the ball too long or you know, a quarterback issue, 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.440 or was that his offensive line just stink? 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.160 I think it's about yeah, well. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.320 See because and that's what I mean. I don't know 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:56.840 enough about him to say that this guy is worth 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.240 a number one pick or not. I just don't. 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.400 Laughs. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I remember when 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.920 Dion was even in his prime, he wasn't the most 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:10.000 popular guy in Pittsburgh either, because Steeler fans thought Woodson 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.599 was the best corner. People in everyone thought, and a 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.280 lot of people thought Dion was the best corner and 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.600 he didn't tackle. I just remember him being not popular 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.440 around here. Oh yeah, yeah. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.640 And what's the Woodson being Steeler had a lot to 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.000 do with that. And I was always love I love 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:31.440 this story. When Dion was a baseball player and Kurt 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:36.679 Shilling I believe was pitching for the Red Sox or 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:44.400 maybe it was the Phillies, but anyway, Shilling threw at 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.959 Dion a couple of times in a game and after 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.840 the game, he was asked, weren't you concerned that Dion 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:57.040 Sanders might charge the mound, and Shilling's answer was, what's 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.640 he gonna do arm tackle me? 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.160 He'd be fast getting to the mound. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:10.840 Yeah, I mean, yeah, see, I always the physicality that 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.240 Woodson brought to the position to me is, you know, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.200 it was important to the way that Chuck Will wanted 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.320 to play defense. And you know, that's the way I 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.960 think defense needs to be played. You know, you have 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.439 to be able to run, support, come up and make tackles, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.840 you know, those kinds of things. Uh, the whole uh, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.040 the way Dion was used as an NFL player a lot, 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:39.160 I thought, you know, just shadowing a receiver, and he 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.400 was always praised for taking that guy out of the game. Well, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.439 you know, first of all, it was in the nineties 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:51.520 and the NFL offenses weren't as sophisticated passing offenses as 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.000 they are now. So you're taking it, you know, a 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.000 wide receiver out of the game. But I'll tell you what, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.439 I never saw Delon take Jerry Rice out of the game. 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.240 So you know, yeah, I was a Woodson guy, I 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:04.760 admit it. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.280 Rob was just a more complete player. 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.120 Yeah, and he again, I you know, when you talk 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.480 about athlete theon played baseball with at a major league level, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.960 which was you know, kudos to him for that. But people, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:26.160 I think a lot of people either forget or don't recognize, 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.400 you know, when you're a world class hurdler, a guy 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.640 who at one point Woodson had the fastest time in 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:43.760 America in an Olympic year in his event those high hurdles. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.360 You know, that's that's pretty elite too. I mean, you 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.520 go to the Olympics and win a medal in that event. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.120 I think that that's very comparable in terms of accomplishment 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.079 as a second sport for you. Uh you know, it's 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.640 playing major league baseball is for an NFL player. So 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.600 uh yeah, Woodson, Uh he held his own, uh in 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.840 my opinion, in uh in terms of all around special 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.160 athletic ability to So yeah, as I said, I was 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.640 a Woodson guy. I just thought he was. He was 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.160 really special. I remember a game. It was an opener 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.880 three Rivers Stadium. The Steelers played the forty nine Ers. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.760 I know I know exactly what play you're going to 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.120 talk about, because I still talk to me. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.200 I'm just talking about the whole game. Yeah, well, yeah, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.400 Rice caught a couple of touchdown passes, but Woodson had 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:41.120 an interception on him and blocked the kick the extra point. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.080 He baited Steve Young into into throwing that that pass 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.480 at Woodson intercept, and he intercepted it with like two 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.640 fingers to himself. It is unbelievable. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:56.240 So yeah, I I you know, you can say Rice 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.760 scored a couple of touchdowns, but when you're a corner 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.400 on a guy like that at all day and you 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.280 also have an interception and block a kick, you know, 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.960 I'd call it even. And if you're even with a 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:16.400 guy like that against a team like that, hey, as 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.640 heinz Ward would say, you take your you take your 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.360 hat off and hand it to him. Bobby. 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.600 He also got punts like he was a center fielder, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:24.200 which I loved. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.680 But you've covered a lot of these drafts, as we 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.480 will start to do tomorrow. Is Woodson one of the 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.120 biggest surprises that you've seen over the years that the 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:35.760 Steelers took. 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.080 Well, I will tell you this. Tony Dungee told me 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.600 this story after you know, the draft, after you know, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:50.880 actually some years into Woodson's career, Dungee was the defensive 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.360 coordinator at the time. You know, pro days and all 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.080 that stuff were not as nearly as sophisticated, uh nor 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:02.960 as ballyhood as they were as they are now. But 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.320 Dungee told me that Chuck Nole told him, don't waste 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.240 your time going to that. Don't going to Purdue. He's 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.280 never he's not going to be there for them when 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:15.320 we pick, which was tenth. I believe yeah, and uh 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.120 so we need you to, you know, do other things. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.040 That's just the waste of your time. So that was 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.920 to me a sign of what the Steelers thought of 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.880 this guy. When you're picking tenth, you don't even bother, 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:35.200 you know, allocating any resources because you don't think he's 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.040 going to be there and you need to allocate those 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:42.240 resources elsewhere. But you know, then the Browns, the Browns 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.840 is the Browns, and they picked Mike Jenkins. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.520 Was not just the Browns, because if you look at 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.600 that eighty seven draft, I was getting there, the only 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.240 Famer selected was Rod Woodson Well, but. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.400 I mean in that top nine picks, then the Saint 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.280 Louis Cardinals, Kelly Stowe for ye, there was that. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.280 One Green Bay talk. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.640 It was Vinnie Testaverdi Cornelius Bennett, Alonso high Smith, Brent Fullwood, 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.960 Mike Jenkin, Kelly Stove for Reggie Rogers to Detroit, Shane 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.800 Conlin the Buffalo, Jerome Brown to Philadelphia Jerome Brown. And 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:20.920 it was a really good player, Ben. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:21.600 It was a two. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.720 Yeah, Cornelius Bennett was a good player, you know, for 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.680 a long time. But they weren't Rob Woodson. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.680 No. And I remember, you know, as that draft was unfolding, 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.400 everybody knew that Jerome Brown was going to the Eagles. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.560 That was a done deal. That was like Reggie Rogers 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:42.320 going to Detroit and Brent Fullwood the Green Bay too. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.159 That was a that was an accepted you know people, 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.399 that was an expected pick. It turned out to be 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.240 a bad pick, but that's what everyone thought was going 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.400 to happen, right, So once it came to Buffalo's pick, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.520 you know, I remember sitting in that room at three 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.159 Rivers Stadium and you're looking at the ward thinking the 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:02.880 Steelers are going to come out of this with either 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.680 Shane Conlin or Rod Woodson. And you know, at the time, 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:10.600 Shane Conlin was. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:12.560 A very good player. 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.840 Yeah, and I think either one of them would have 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.640 helped the Steelers, but I mean, Woodson is a Hall 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.680 of Fame guy, you know. However, seventy interceptions or whatever 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.119 he ended up with, I mean, just just a special 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.840 all timer, all time Steelers. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.600 My favorite pick in that draft went two picks after 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:39.560 Woodson to the Dallas Cowboys, who took Danny Noonanon Newton, Yeah. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:40.800 Who went on to star in movies. 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:43.520 He took him after the movie. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.399 Did the Olympics scare people off with Woodson? Because I 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.600 know he kind of used that as a holdout situation. 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:54.439 He was, I know this, I know this that that 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.240 you know, his agent, I think was Eugene Parker was 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.840 using that leverage, leverage you know, for the contract and 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.240 at one point and Jim Boston, who was doing it, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:10.200 was the negotiator at that time. He told me that 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.200 after a little bit, because every they kind of thought 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.879 that the track thing the Olympics was just a you know, 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:26.080 an excuse or a negotiating floyd. But Buff went to 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:30.240 Dan Rooney and said, we better start taking this track 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.919 stuff seriously. This guy could go to the Olympics and 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:38.400 win a medal. So yeah, it became. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:40.240 It was real. 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.480 Became yeah, it became real. And you know, Woodson didn't 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.120 sign until what November or October or something like that. 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.040 Yeah, now when did you put him in the Superman costume? 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:58.480 That was that was maybe nineteen ninety, Okay, I think 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.800 I don't remember the exact year, but yeah, that's when 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:08.240 Woodson was because I remember the nineteen ninety season. That 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:12.399 was the you know, the Joe Walton mistake, and the 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:16.240 Steelers went the first month of that season without scoring 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.320 offensive touchdown. And you know, they actually won a couple 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.439 of games, one of them because Woodson returned to kickoff 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.560 for a touchdown and another I don't know why they 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:28.800 won the other one, but Woodson did everything. And so 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.800 I think it was USA Today first that said something about, 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.720 you know, he looks like Superman, and I thought, hmm, 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.440 there's a there's an idea for a Steers digest and 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.200 you know, Mike Fabous, God rest his soul. The photographer 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:52.639 at the time convinced Woodson to where the Superman cost him. Okay, 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.120 so we shoot the picture and did it at that 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:02.720 at the grass field over by the Kaufman's warehouse, you know, 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.400 a little short walk away from three River Stadium, and. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.840 So he had to walk there in the Superman costume. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:10.320 No, no, no change. 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.520 There was a little there was a phone booth, yeah, 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:15.640 but it was like. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.720 A shed or something over there that he was able 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.439 to go in and change. So anyway he changes, where's 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.159 the costume? Shoot, the picture changes out of it, So 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:31.719 then the issue comes out. And that was when the 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.560 rest of Woodson's teammates saw it for the first time. 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:40.760 So the amount of ribbing i'll use that word, that 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:44.879 he was taking from his teammates was considerable, considerable. And 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.159 Woodson's story at the time was that's not really me. 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:54.560 They just superimposed my head on that photo, which, hey whatever, 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:55.080 you be. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.360 Much more believable today than it would have been back 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:01.000 in nineteen ninety. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.040 You know. And again they made his teammates may have 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:07.000 made fun of him for the costume, but I don't 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:12.040 think any of them would have questioned the veracity of 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:12.840 the comparison. 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:16.200 No, not at all, not at all. Anybody else stand 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.600 out over the years that you boy, I had no 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:20.360 idea that that guy was going to fall to them, 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.600 or can't believe that guy was that was the pick there. 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:24.080 I couldn't didn't think he would still be on. 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:28.480 The board, not not the jumps, not not the jumps 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:28.879 out of me. 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.320 Uh, maybe the Paula Malu trade up. 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.639 Well, yeah, that was a month once because once the 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.679 trade was done and the pick was made, then you know, 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.320 there was no it was more about the trade that 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.680 was wow, because that was the first time in franchise 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.040 history the Steelers ever did that. 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.920 Yeah, and they moved up a bunch, like they came 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:51.359 way up to. 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:56.600 Twenty seven to sixteen. Yeah, you know it's interesting too. 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.960 I I throw this out a lot too. You know, 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.240 people thinking that, well, you can trade back from twenty 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.000 one to like twenty eight or twenty nine and get 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:09.560 a second round pick. Well, you know when the Steelers 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.320 traded up from twenty seven to sixteen, you know they 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:17.200 flop picks obviously, you always do that, right, But they 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.720 got a three and a five, and you're moving up 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.359 to sixteen, which to me is a lot more significant 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:26.919 than moving up to twenty one. And they moved up 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.800