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Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Drive here on the Steelers
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Speaker 3: And you know.
Speaker 2: By the imposing music, yes, that the Dean of Doom,
Speaker 2: the Lord of living in his fears, is now joining
Speaker 2: us on the Justin Miller Hotline. How you doing labs?
Speaker 4: Okay, the Dean is taking charge here up of this segment. Okay,
Speaker 4: I have a question for both of each of you, guys.
Speaker 3: Oh, bring it on, great, Yes, all right, you.
Speaker 4: Are picking for the Steelers, and you have the first
Speaker 4: overall pick, so you can add any player who is
Speaker 4: eligible and availab well, obviously they're all available. Any player
Speaker 4: who is eligible for this draft to add to the
Speaker 4: current Steelers roster to help them for the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five season. Who you got?
Speaker 3: Take it away? I know both of our answers.
Speaker 2: We kind of we just get to, you know, just
Speaker 2: in our top twenty one in the opening segment, and
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna disagree with this, but I'm taking cam
Speaker 2: Ward just ahead of Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: And I'm taking Hunter just above cam Ward because I
Speaker 3: think receiver and corner are minor needs. And I frankly
Speaker 3: think he's a very very special prospect. And I'm a
Speaker 3: Ward fan, but I will dip my toe in the
Speaker 3: quarterback market next year.
Speaker 4: Okay, interesting, interesting.
Speaker 2: Who you taking?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna you know, I don't know enough about
Speaker 4: am Ward. You know, I've watched a little TV. I
Speaker 4: watched Miami some. You know, he was interesting. I mean
Speaker 4: I enjoyed watching the Hurricanes play. I mean that's my
Speaker 4: you know, my total uh, you know, evaluation.
Speaker 2: Let's put it this way, Bob. We've gone through with
Speaker 2: with a couple of the people who are quarterback quote
Speaker 2: unquote experts or gurus or whatever you want to say.
Speaker 2: And the comp that keeps coming back on cam Ward
Speaker 2: is he sawed off Ben Roethlisberger, which.
Speaker 3: I think is a little rich.
Speaker 2: Though might be a little rich. But if you give
Speaker 2: me Ben Roethlisberger, give me eighty five nine Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 2: And Okay, because I was gonna say, what what what
Speaker 2: does saw off mean? He's short, He's a shorter Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 3: He's got small hands. I think he's six y one,
Speaker 3: but he's thickly built.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean, if that's the case, I'm taking
Speaker 4: a quarterback. But I mean again, I am admitting, you know,
Speaker 4: my deficiencies in the talent evaluation area every year because
Speaker 4: I don't see anything except you know, when I'm watching
Speaker 4: college football on Saturdays, and so I'm a you know,
Speaker 4: kind of a victim of who's ever on TV. So,
Speaker 4: but you know, the Travis Hunter pick to me is interesting,
Speaker 4: So where's he playing?
Speaker 3: There would be some juggling. I would mostly play him
Speaker 3: at receiver for a stealer for the Steelers. I think
Speaker 3: he's basically an equal prospect at both. And he's the
Speaker 3: best corner and the best receiver in this draft. So
Speaker 3: even if he can't do both, I think you'd be
Speaker 3: really happy with it. But I would try to at
Speaker 3: least get him out there on offense third and longs
Speaker 3: yeah two many. You know, when there's too much left
Speaker 3: in the game and you need a touchdown to win,
Speaker 3: even if he's only running a short rout or a
Speaker 3: condensed rout tree, I think it's pretty special.
Speaker 2: See, i'd play m a cornerback because I would to
Speaker 2: start him, but I would start him. You said you
Speaker 2: start them at wide receiver.
Speaker 3: I didn't mean that I would I played more to
Speaker 3: the corner here.
Speaker 2: If I had If I were the Steelers and I
Speaker 2: had the number one overall pick and I wasn't going
Speaker 2: to go take the quarterback, I wouldn't have signed Sleigh
Speaker 2: and I would just takeing Travis Hunter and say, here
Speaker 2: you go, Travis, here that you're you're starting on the outside.
Speaker 4: No, No, that wasn't That wasn't that weren't That wasn't
Speaker 4: the parameters.
Speaker 2: As it is now.
Speaker 3: Okay, Genie comes out of the bottle and says, you
Speaker 3: get the first pick in the draft, Now who you're taking?
Speaker 2: Well, then I would also consider asking Genty there.
Speaker 3: I would take both those guys over Genty.
Speaker 2: Saying that helped the team. Now, I would still take Ward,
Speaker 2: but I might consider Genty over for for this year.
Speaker 2: If that's the exercise, we're just trying to put together
Speaker 2: the best team we can put out there this year.
Speaker 3: Well, you add them to the roster. It's not like
Speaker 3: you don't get them two years from now. I understand, right,
Speaker 3: you just got granted the first overall pick right in there.
Speaker 2: How you understand nobody. I'm still taking Ward, but I
Speaker 2: would consider genty because I think he's special.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think he's pretty great.
Speaker 4: But you wouldn't. You wouldn't consider the depth of the
Speaker 4: running back position and think, if I'm going to add someone,
Speaker 4: I can I can add a running back well Friday
Speaker 4: or Saturday and help the team more in a different area.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm still saying I would take Ward over over Genty,
Speaker 2: but Genty would be in my I would think about genty.
Speaker 3: Let me complicate things, lab Do we still have picked
Speaker 3: twenty one?
Speaker 4: No? No, that's your that's your only first round pick. Okay,
Speaker 4: the only thing you can't do because I think that
Speaker 4: maybe the most valuable thing would be the trade out.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would field.
Speaker 4: Off because I think he end up with you get
Speaker 4: your Dack had the number one overall pick, you'd get
Speaker 4: who's ever trading with you. They'd have to give you
Speaker 4: this year's one, and I think you get another one
Speaker 4: at least.
Speaker 2: Probably and probably somebody's next year in somebody's two in
Speaker 2: this draft a year back into the second round, Which
Speaker 2: is I.
Speaker 4: Didn't I didn't want to add trading to.
Speaker 2: The mad Our head spin.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, and that's that's way too you know, there's
Speaker 4: way too much projection in that. I mean, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of projection in this. But if you say you
Speaker 4: got to pick somebody, uh yeah, I I'm just you're
Speaker 4: not interested in Abdul Carter.
Speaker 3: No, not not. I mean he'd edge guy. I mean,
Speaker 3: he'd be fighting Smith for snaps. I'm just good enough there.
Speaker 2: And he's got he's got some injury stuff that kind
Speaker 2: of scares me.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, I think Travis Hunter helps more
Speaker 4: this year as a corner. I agree, Yeah, I really,
Speaker 4: I really believe that you've got to get somebody like
Speaker 4: Joey Porter junior opposite Joey Porter Junior. Maybe Darius Slay
Speaker 4: is that guy, and you know, we'll find out. But
Speaker 4: if I could add right at top of the depth
Speaker 4: chart corner who can play, you know, man to man,
Speaker 4: line up and play a guy on that side of
Speaker 4: the field, I really think that opens up your defense
Speaker 4: for a lot of the kinds of pressure things you
Speaker 4: want to do. Maybe it frees up your free safety
Speaker 4: to be able to go back, you know, to roam
Speaker 4: in the field and becoming a ballhawk again. I think
Speaker 4: your pressure package has become much more effective.
Speaker 3: Labs. We were actually talking about that yesterday. And I'm
Speaker 3: not ripping on Dante Jackson, but his inability to really
Speaker 3: be a man coverage corner I thought hurt this defense
Speaker 3: for all those reasons. You know, like I bet they
Speaker 3: have fifteen more sacks if they have that corner you're
Speaker 3: talking about. You know what I mean, Like the ball
Speaker 3: doesn't come out immediately if you're playing bump and run
Speaker 3: man and you're blitzing more. And I think a ripple
Speaker 3: effect of a man coverage corner would have massive effects
Speaker 3: on this defense.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, interesting, I agree, I'm agreeing with it. It's
Speaker 4: your show, so you can go back now to talk
Speaker 4: on what you want to talk about. I'm satisfied with
Speaker 4: my contribution.
Speaker 3: What would your thoughts on should or Sanders be at
Speaker 3: twenty one? And I know you haven't broke down his
Speaker 3: footwork and his reads and but you're familiar with them.
Speaker 3: You don't live under a rock, and you know who
Speaker 3: his dad is and all that. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: big on it, but I can understand it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 4: here too. When I watched Colorado the last two seasons.
Speaker 4: I rooted against them heavy because his dad, to me,
Speaker 4: is just in sufferable, insufferable and I and well, let
Speaker 4: me say this too, in fairness to Dion, I think
Speaker 4: a lot of it has to do with the way
Speaker 4: the media fawns all over him. You know, this coach
Speaker 4: prime crap to me is that's not your name. So
Speaker 4: I'm calling you by your name, Coach Sanders if you want,
Speaker 4: or Dion or Sanders or whatever. But that whole coach
Speaker 4: prime genuflection that was going on every time he was
Speaker 4: talked about just just turn my stomach. So I am
Speaker 4: going to acknowledge that a lot of I watched Colorado
Speaker 4: through that prism of my bias or attitude to how
Speaker 4: that was unfolding. Now, I don't know necessarily that Dion
Speaker 4: would be a pain in the butt once his kid
Speaker 4: is in an NFL team, So and I don't know
Speaker 4: enough of box should do or I just don't. I
Speaker 4: certainly am throwing out pretty much everything he did when
Speaker 4: he played at Jackson State, because at that level, you
Speaker 4: have him, you have.
Speaker 2: The best player in the country. Is he was voted
Speaker 2: the best player in the country last year. For this
Speaker 2: past season, and you had him at playing at that level.
Speaker 3: And you're an NFL quarterback playing at Jackson State.
Speaker 4: And the other thing was, you know, he got sacked
Speaker 4: a lot, But was that because he was holding onto
Speaker 4: the ball too long or you know, a quarterback issue,
Speaker 4: or was that his offensive line just stink?
Speaker 3: I think it's about yeah, well.
Speaker 4: See because and that's what I mean. I don't know
Speaker 4: enough about him to say that this guy is worth
Speaker 4: a number one pick or not. I just don't.
Speaker 3: Laughs. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I remember when
Speaker 3: Dion was even in his prime, he wasn't the most
Speaker 3: popular guy in Pittsburgh either, because Steeler fans thought Woodson
Speaker 3: was the best corner. People in everyone thought, and a
Speaker 3: lot of people thought Dion was the best corner and
Speaker 3: he didn't tackle. I just remember him being not popular
Speaker 3: around here. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And what's the Woodson being Steeler had a lot to
Speaker 4: do with that. And I was always love I love
Speaker 4: this story. When Dion was a baseball player and Kurt
Speaker 4: Shilling I believe was pitching for the Red Sox or
Speaker 4: maybe it was the Phillies, but anyway, Shilling threw at
Speaker 4: Dion a couple of times in a game and after
Speaker 4: the game, he was asked, weren't you concerned that Dion
Speaker 4: Sanders might charge the mound, and Shilling's answer was, what's
Speaker 4: he gonna do arm tackle me?
Speaker 3: He'd be fast getting to the mound.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, see, I always the physicality that
Speaker 4: Woodson brought to the position to me is, you know,
Speaker 4: it was important to the way that Chuck Will wanted
Speaker 4: to play defense. And you know, that's the way I
Speaker 4: think defense needs to be played. You know, you have
Speaker 4: to be able to run, support, come up and make tackles,
Speaker 4: you know, those kinds of things. Uh, the whole uh,
Speaker 4: the way Dion was used as an NFL player a lot,
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, just shadowing a receiver, and he
Speaker 4: was always praised for taking that guy out of the game. Well,
Speaker 4: you know, first of all, it was in the nineties
Speaker 4: and the NFL offenses weren't as sophisticated passing offenses as
Speaker 4: they are now. So you're taking it, you know, a
Speaker 4: wide receiver out of the game. But I'll tell you what,
Speaker 4: I never saw Delon take Jerry Rice out of the game.
Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, I was a Woodson guy, I
Speaker 4: admit it.
Speaker 2: Rob was just a more complete player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he again, I you know, when you talk
Speaker 4: about athlete theon played baseball with at a major league level,
Speaker 4: which was you know, kudos to him for that. But people,
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people either forget or don't recognize,
Speaker 4: you know, when you're a world class hurdler, a guy
Speaker 4: who at one point Woodson had the fastest time in
Speaker 4: America in an Olympic year in his event those high hurdles.
Speaker 4: You know, that's that's pretty elite too. I mean, you
Speaker 4: go to the Olympics and win a medal in that event.
Speaker 4: I think that that's very comparable in terms of accomplishment
Speaker 4: as a second sport for you. Uh you know, it's
Speaker 4: playing major league baseball is for an NFL player. So
Speaker 4: uh yeah, Woodson, Uh he held his own, uh in
Speaker 4: my opinion, in uh in terms of all around special
Speaker 4: athletic ability to So yeah, as I said, I was
Speaker 4: a Woodson guy. I just thought he was. He was
Speaker 4: really special. I remember a game. It was an opener
Speaker 4: three Rivers Stadium. The Steelers played the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 2: I know I know exactly what play you're going to
Speaker 2: talk about, because I still talk to me.
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about the whole game. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: Rice caught a couple of touchdown passes, but Woodson had
Speaker 4: an interception on him and blocked the kick the extra point.
Speaker 2: He baited Steve Young into into throwing that that pass
Speaker 2: at Woodson intercept, and he intercepted it with like two
Speaker 2: fingers to himself. It is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I I you know, you can say Rice
Speaker 4: scored a couple of touchdowns, but when you're a corner
Speaker 4: on a guy like that at all day and you
Speaker 4: also have an interception and block a kick, you know,
Speaker 4: I'd call it even. And if you're even with a
Speaker 4: guy like that against a team like that, hey, as
Speaker 4: heinz Ward would say, you take your you take your
Speaker 4: hat off and hand it to him. Bobby.
Speaker 3: He also got punts like he was a center fielder,
Speaker 3: which I loved.
Speaker 2: But you've covered a lot of these drafts, as we
Speaker 2: will start to do tomorrow. Is Woodson one of the
Speaker 2: biggest surprises that you've seen over the years that the
Speaker 2: Steelers took.
Speaker 4: Well, I will tell you this. Tony Dungee told me
Speaker 4: this story after you know, the draft, after you know,
Speaker 4: actually some years into Woodson's career, Dungee was the defensive
Speaker 4: coordinator at the time. You know, pro days and all
Speaker 4: that stuff were not as nearly as sophisticated, uh nor
Speaker 4: as ballyhood as they were as they are now. But
Speaker 4: Dungee told me that Chuck Nole told him, don't waste
Speaker 4: your time going to that. Don't going to Purdue. He's
Speaker 4: never he's not going to be there for them when
Speaker 4: we pick, which was tenth. I believe yeah, and uh
Speaker 4: so we need you to, you know, do other things.
Speaker 4: That's just the waste of your time. So that was
Speaker 4: to me a sign of what the Steelers thought of
Speaker 4: this guy. When you're picking tenth, you don't even bother,
Speaker 4: you know, allocating any resources because you don't think he's
Speaker 4: going to be there and you need to allocate those
Speaker 4: resources elsewhere. But you know, then the Browns, the Browns
Speaker 4: is the Browns, and they picked Mike Jenkins.
Speaker 2: Was not just the Browns, because if you look at
Speaker 2: that eighty seven draft, I was getting there, the only
Speaker 2: Famer selected was Rod Woodson Well, but.
Speaker 4: I mean in that top nine picks, then the Saint
Speaker 4: Louis Cardinals, Kelly Stowe for ye, there was that.
Speaker 3: One Green Bay talk.
Speaker 2: It was Vinnie Testaverdi Cornelius Bennett, Alonso high Smith, Brent Fullwood,
Speaker 2: Mike Jenkin, Kelly Stove for Reggie Rogers to Detroit, Shane
Speaker 2: Conlin the Buffalo, Jerome Brown to Philadelphia Jerome Brown. And
Speaker 2: it was a really good player, Ben.
Speaker 3: It was a two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cornelius Bennett was a good player, you know, for
Speaker 2: a long time. But they weren't Rob Woodson.
Speaker 4: No. And I remember, you know, as that draft was unfolding,
Speaker 4: everybody knew that Jerome Brown was going to the Eagles.
Speaker 4: That was a done deal. That was like Reggie Rogers
Speaker 4: going to Detroit and Brent Fullwood the Green Bay too.
Speaker 4: That was a that was an accepted you know people,
Speaker 4: that was an expected pick. It turned out to be
Speaker 4: a bad pick, but that's what everyone thought was going
Speaker 4: to happen, right, So once it came to Buffalo's pick,
Speaker 4: you know, I remember sitting in that room at three
Speaker 4: Rivers Stadium and you're looking at the ward thinking the
Speaker 4: Steelers are going to come out of this with either
Speaker 4: Shane Conlin or Rod Woodson. And you know, at the time,
Speaker 4: Shane Conlin was.
Speaker 3: A very good player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think either one of them would have
Speaker 4: helped the Steelers, but I mean, Woodson is a Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame guy, you know. However, seventy interceptions or whatever
Speaker 4: he ended up with, I mean, just just a special
Speaker 4: all timer, all time Steelers.
Speaker 2: My favorite pick in that draft went two picks after
Speaker 2: Woodson to the Dallas Cowboys, who took Danny Noonanon Newton, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Who went on to star in movies.
Speaker 2: He took him after the movie.
Speaker 3: Did the Olympics scare people off with Woodson? Because I
Speaker 3: know he kind of used that as a holdout situation.
Speaker 4: He was, I know this, I know this that that
Speaker 4: you know, his agent, I think was Eugene Parker was
Speaker 4: using that leverage, leverage you know, for the contract and
Speaker 4: at one point and Jim Boston, who was doing it,
Speaker 4: was the negotiator at that time. He told me that
Speaker 4: after a little bit, because every they kind of thought
Speaker 4: that the track thing the Olympics was just a you know,
Speaker 4: an excuse or a negotiating floyd. But Buff went to
Speaker 4: Dan Rooney and said, we better start taking this track
Speaker 4: stuff seriously. This guy could go to the Olympics and
Speaker 4: win a medal. So yeah, it became.
Speaker 3: It was real.
Speaker 4: Became yeah, it became real. And you know, Woodson didn't
Speaker 4: sign until what November or October or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now when did you put him in the Superman costume?
Speaker 4: That was that was maybe nineteen ninety, Okay, I think
Speaker 4: I don't remember the exact year, but yeah, that's when
Speaker 4: Woodson was because I remember the nineteen ninety season. That
Speaker 4: was the you know, the Joe Walton mistake, and the
Speaker 4: Steelers went the first month of that season without scoring
Speaker 4: offensive touchdown. And you know, they actually won a couple
Speaker 4: of games, one of them because Woodson returned to kickoff
Speaker 4: for a touchdown and another I don't know why they
Speaker 4: won the other one, but Woodson did everything. And so
Speaker 4: I think it was USA Today first that said something about,
Speaker 4: you know, he looks like Superman, and I thought, hmm,
Speaker 4: there's a there's an idea for a Steers digest and
Speaker 4: you know, Mike Fabous, God rest his soul. The photographer
Speaker 4: at the time convinced Woodson to where the Superman cost him. Okay,
Speaker 4: so we shoot the picture and did it at that
Speaker 4: at the grass field over by the Kaufman's warehouse, you know,
Speaker 4: a little short walk away from three River Stadium, and.
Speaker 2: So he had to walk there in the Superman costume.
Speaker 4: No, no, no change.
Speaker 3: There was a little there was a phone booth, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it was like.
Speaker 4: A shed or something over there that he was able
Speaker 4: to go in and change. So anyway he changes, where's
Speaker 4: the costume? Shoot, the picture changes out of it, So
Speaker 4: then the issue comes out. And that was when the
Speaker 4: rest of Woodson's teammates saw it for the first time.
Speaker 4: So the amount of ribbing i'll use that word, that
Speaker 4: he was taking from his teammates was considerable, considerable. And
Speaker 4: Woodson's story at the time was that's not really me.
Speaker 4: They just superimposed my head on that photo, which, hey whatever,
Speaker 4: you be.
Speaker 2: Much more believable today than it would have been back
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4: You know. And again they made his teammates may have
Speaker 4: made fun of him for the costume, but I don't
Speaker 4: think any of them would have questioned the veracity of
Speaker 4: the comparison.
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all. Anybody else stand
Speaker 2: out over the years that you boy, I had no
Speaker 2: idea that that guy was going to fall to them,
Speaker 2: or can't believe that guy was that was the pick there.
Speaker 2: I couldn't didn't think he would still be on.
Speaker 4: The board, not not the jumps, not not the jumps
Speaker 4: out of me.
Speaker 3: Uh, maybe the Paula Malu trade up.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that was a month once because once the
Speaker 4: trade was done and the pick was made, then you know,
Speaker 4: there was no it was more about the trade that
Speaker 4: was wow, because that was the first time in franchise
Speaker 4: history the Steelers ever did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they moved up a bunch, like they came
Speaker 2: way up to.
Speaker 4: Twenty seven to sixteen. Yeah, you know it's interesting too.
Speaker 4: I I throw this out a lot too. You know,
Speaker 4: people thinking that, well, you can trade back from twenty
Speaker 4: one to like twenty eight or twenty nine and get
Speaker 4: a second round pick. Well, you know when the Steelers
Speaker 4: traded up from twenty seven to sixteen, you know they
Speaker 4: flop picks obviously, you always do that, right, But they
Speaker 4: got a three and a five, and you're moving up
Speaker 4: to sixteen, which to me is a lot more significant
Speaker 4: than moving up to twenty one. And they moved up
Speaker 4: to sixteen and didn't have to give up a two.
Speaker 4: So while you know, the trade down thing sounds good
Speaker 4: and hey, maybe it works out. I hope it does.
Speaker 4: But the assumption that you're going to trade down but
Speaker 4: not out of the first round and net a number
Speaker 4: two pick out of it. I just don't think is realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it is either. I think you're
Speaker 2: probably looking at getting another just another day to pick
Speaker 2: and maybe a little sweetener on the back end of it,
Speaker 2: which I'd still be interested in. If you can get to.
Speaker 4: Maybe that'd get right, Maybe that's worth a two. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But you know, I just don't think that a team
Speaker 4: is going to give you a two to move up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not.
Speaker 2: You're not trading into the top ten.
Speaker 4: Bottom third of the first round.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hey, I hope there's a team out there dumb enough
Speaker 4: to do that, But I just don't think there is.
Speaker 2: Well, our guest has been Bob Larbola, the Dean of Doom,
Speaker 2: the lord of living in his fears, and uh, well,
Speaker 2: how many drafts is this going to be for you labs?
Speaker 4: Oh god, let's not talk about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what was your what was your first year.
Speaker 4: First year, well, working for the Steelers was nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 4: but I was at I was there in nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: two and they picked Walter Abercrombie. Yeah, so there's that.
Speaker 2: So it's been a while.
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what you're gonna be living in
Speaker 4: your fears still, you know, because you got writing to do,
Speaker 4: like I do. And if that's if Thursday, if tomorrow
Speaker 4: ends and the Steelers doesn't didn't make a first round pick,
Speaker 4: good luck coming up with something to right that day.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I uh, I could live with that.
Speaker 2: I could write about the trade. There's there's all kinds
Speaker 2: of things you can you can you can find to
Speaker 2: write about. And I'm also gonna have to be talking
Speaker 2: at the same time, so I got to talk and
Speaker 2: write at the same time, which is always fun too.
Speaker 4: Oh Okay, I love draft Day. I'd like I'd like
Speaker 4: them to make a pick that.
Speaker 2: Would be good. I would I would enjoy that. Yes,
Speaker 2: And they just say they they've never done They don't
Speaker 2: trade out of the first round anymore. They haven't done
Speaker 2: that since the sixties, other than trading for micka Fitzpatrick
Speaker 2: trade actually trading, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean right, and actually it was sixties early sixties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't expect that to happen.
Speaker 4: But before before Dan Rooney accepted Buddy Parker's resignation.
Speaker 2: Quote, anyways, we'll let you go, labs. I know you
Speaker 2: get a lot of busy stuff here to get to
Speaker 2: but uh, we appreciate you stopping by as usual.
Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 2: a little bit more. We are up at twenty one
Speaker 2: and the players available Derek Harmon, Good Malachi Starks, Nick
Speaker 2: em Youwari, Josh Simmons, Tyler Booker, Walter Nolan, Gray's Abel,
Speaker 2: Nick Scourton and Egg Buka, James Pearce, Jackson, Dart Amari
Speaker 2: and Hampton, Donovan, Azeriku, Kenneth Grant, Luther Burden.
Speaker 3: Okay, I would certainly field offers then the lot to
Speaker 3: pick from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have offers. The Cardinals who traded back with
Speaker 2: the Browns. Oh, this is interesting. Our offering for pick
Speaker 2: twenty one and one fifty six picks thirty three and
Speaker 2: forty seven.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's an interesting build. Yeah, I'd strongly consider that.
Speaker 2: Uh, Buffalo is offering picks thirty and fifty six were
Speaker 2: picks twenty one and one eighty five?
Speaker 3: What's a better deal? I would have to look be looking.
Speaker 2: At the well, thirty three and forty seven is as
Speaker 2: opposed to thirty and fifty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay for the same two picks, right.
Speaker 2: Uh for twenty one Arizona on's twenty one and one
Speaker 2: fifty six and what was Buffalo Buffalo's twenty one?
Speaker 3: Consider similar?
Speaker 2: Similar, And the Chargers are offering picks twenty two and
Speaker 2: two fifty six per pick twenty one.
Speaker 3: I always think that's a little bit cheating. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 3: consider the other two.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna reject that one. I want to
Speaker 2: look and see what Arizona has other than those two picks,
Speaker 2: because I I one, I'm still very interested in making Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we usually get good players there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know that I want to trade
Speaker 2: out of the first round. You know, it's in name
Speaker 2: only give it is thirty three, but there's mean it's
Speaker 2: an early early. There's players there that I like and
Speaker 2: I want, And if we get all the way down
Speaker 2: to thirty three, I don't know if they all make
Speaker 2: it that far. Oh I understand, right, I like trading
Speaker 2: away from a good player. That's one thing that both
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin and omar Con said yesterday, like, Hey, we're
Speaker 2: not going to trade away from a that we like.
Speaker 2: We're players that we like.
Speaker 3: I mean, I might like the Buffalo angle better.
Speaker 2: It's a higher pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Cardinals have thirty three, forty seven, sixty seven,
Speaker 2: seventy eight one fifteen one fifty two two twenty five.
Speaker 2: That's why they can offer they picked up they got
Speaker 2: extra pick from the Browns. Yeah, obviously I don't want
Speaker 2: to straight out of the first round.
Speaker 3: Okay, well then tell though, yeah you want to talk
Speaker 3: to Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's see, I'm going to reject Arizona's called Buffalo
Speaker 2: is at thirty and fifty six for twenty one and
Speaker 2: one eighty five. If we go to thirty in sixty two,
Speaker 2: which they also have, Oh, they got two and don't
Speaker 2: give them and give them two twenty nine instead of
Speaker 2: one eighty five.
Speaker 3: I'd be just as fine with that.
Speaker 2: I would rather do that. Okay, I don't need fifty
Speaker 2: six necessarily, no, but I think that I think when
Speaker 2: we've drafted at one eighty five, if we found players
Speaker 2: that we like in that spot. Oh, I know, when
Speaker 2: we drafted two twenty nine, it's.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So if I can get a pick that's actually if
Speaker 2: I one more real pick, one more real pick in
Speaker 2: this particular draft as well. Yeah, where I'm going to
Speaker 2: get guys in the.
Speaker 3: Fourth future starting guard right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as opposed to twenty nine. And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna take a guy who might be a.
Speaker 3: Special teams player, some safety. It might not maic the team.
Speaker 2: You know, That's the only way I want to do
Speaker 2: this deal. And I'm going to propose that to them
Speaker 2: and see they may not accept it. They did, all right,
Speaker 2: So they came up to get Derek Harmon.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I had a feeling they might want to do that.
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan just went, Trey Amos just went, Gray's Abel
Speaker 2: just went. Lost a bunch of guys that were on
Speaker 2: the list. We're not We're not trading again here. So
Speaker 2: I'm just going to reject all that. And so now
Speaker 2: you're looking at thirty Nick Emuori and that gag Buka,
Speaker 2: James Pearce, Jackson, Dart Amari and Hampton, Josh Connerley, Luther Burden,
Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 3: Well, going back to segment one, I would take Grant,
Speaker 3: you would take Hampton. Yeah, so how do we split
Speaker 3: the I would just say it's the last show. You
Speaker 3: want to flip a coin, let's ask our our. I'm
Speaker 3: sure nobody has a coin on them because nobody I
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: So what would this is? This is a consent. This
Speaker 2: is how this works. You sitting sitting here, Okay, go
Speaker 2: to the area, scoutch we got we got Hampton, we
Speaker 2: got and Grant. We got Hampton and Grant on the board. Guys,
Speaker 2: what are we what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: Okay? Nice? They see in here they split, they split labs.
Speaker 2: We should ask labs.
Speaker 3: Does something something that could flip around here? Does it
Speaker 3: change your credit card over?
Speaker 2: Does it change your opinion though that we're taking Hampton
Speaker 2: at thirty as opposed to twenty.
Speaker 3: Absolutely because we picked up something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah that now we can get that defensive tackle. We
Speaker 2: might get tylerk Williams in the second round and be
Speaker 2: equally as happy because.
Speaker 3: We have a second round, or let's do Hampton.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that makes more sense. Like if
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move down it, it does change the I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get a premium running back premium round. I don't
Speaker 2: have to wait and maybe miss out on Judkins and
Speaker 2: Johnson and those guys in Travon Henderson.
Speaker 3: Funny you said this because I'm not trying to like
Speaker 3: cover my butt, but I meant to say that in
Speaker 3: the first segment about the top twenty one that if
Speaker 3: you have different picks, my twenty one list would change
Speaker 3: a little, right, you know, like, oh, now I have
Speaker 3: a second. Well I'm operating here that I don't have
Speaker 3: a second. My next pick's eighty might go.
Speaker 2: When I built that list, I might get a Mario
Speaker 2: and Hampton and Alfred Collins and be like yeah or
Speaker 2: Williams Yeah, or Williams and be like, Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: right now we're cooking with gas.
Speaker 3: All right, let's do it and see how it works out.
Speaker 2: Okay, Marion Hampton, Okay, is the pick Travon Henderson did
Speaker 2: go thirty two?
Speaker 3: Now we want them to yeah, that makes us happen.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we got a Marion Hampton here, we got
Speaker 2: our running back room is awesome, great, we're fantastic.
Speaker 3: Our line room is not. It's not.
Speaker 2: We might have to go D line D line here.
Speaker 3: I would love that. It was actually going to be
Speaker 3: my suggestion.
Speaker 2: If it works out as opposed to quarterback, I'm fine
Speaker 2: with that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no problem ignoring quarterback this year.
Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't either. All Right, we're coming
Speaker 2: out here at sixty two. We're not trading rejecting rejecting now.
Speaker 2: As it worked out, Caleb Johnson was still there, but
Speaker 2: we didn't know that. Jaln Milrose there, Jalen Royals, Marcus
Speaker 2: bow Oladaijo from UCLA, Alfred Collins from Texas, defensive tackle,
Speaker 2: Jayden Higgins the wide receiver from wide receiver from Iowa State, Okay,
Speaker 2: Braden Swinson, ed rusher out of LSU, Darien Porter, cornerback
Speaker 2: Iowa State, Andrew mccouba, safety from ten exs. Kyle Williams
Speaker 2: the wide receiver from Washington. I don't know I need
Speaker 2: to go all that much deeper than that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like, don't love Collins, but I probably
Speaker 3: would go that direction.
Speaker 2: I would consider Higgins there.
Speaker 3: I would say Higgins being there's clouding my judgment a
Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, I don't want to go two skill
Speaker 3: guys and not draft the defensive lineman immediately. But we
Speaker 3: do have extra picks.
Speaker 2: We don't have extra pick.
Speaker 3: Better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have better picks.
Speaker 3: I mean that's that third round the lineman is going
Speaker 3: to be. Maybe there's a Turner or Robinson, but it's
Speaker 3: probably a nose And I don't know if Collins is
Speaker 3: a big enough difference maker. Though I like him, I
Speaker 3: don't love them. I wish he was a little twitchier.
Speaker 2: Think you're got of stuff to run really well though.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's just look and see what other defensive
Speaker 2: tackles are available before we make the pick. So Collins
Speaker 2: is there, Omar Norman Lott is there, Schamar Turner is there,
Speaker 2: Robinson is there, Josh Farmer is there, Diomane Walker, C. J. West,
Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips, Jamari Calbwell JJ Pigisee.
Speaker 3: This is it's good. But it's good. Hit pretty hard
Speaker 3: so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is I mean, all these a bunch
Speaker 2: of these nose types are there.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I might even take Turner over call.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask you, do you go with
Speaker 2: a guy like Turner.
Speaker 3: I had Turner two spots ahead of Collins outside my
Speaker 3: twenty one but in my top thirty, kind of for
Speaker 3: the same reasons why we had Grant behind Nolan and Harman.
Speaker 3: Because he's an end I think I'd go Turner.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: I STUDI him the more I think he's a Steeler fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's.
Speaker 3: Playing temperament's nasty, he's long.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with that, all right, Turner here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't go receiver running back with my first two picks.
Speaker 2: That's your second round pick. Originally you sent for the
Speaker 2: DK met for DK Metcalf, that's your second round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: y is a bonus pick.
Speaker 3: I mean, Higgins being there probably been my I graded player. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know in that instance, maybe somebody would have
Speaker 3: given you something good for Higgins, right, don't you know?
Speaker 2: All Right, so we're now down to eighty three and
Speaker 2: the player is still available. Ty Robinson probably don't want
Speaker 2: to do both those, but I like both of them.
Speaker 2: Josh Farmer, maybe Dean Walker, No, No, CJ. Westward I'm
Speaker 2: just looking at the defensive tag right now.
Speaker 3: CJ.
Speaker 2: West, Jordan Phillips, Jamari Caldwell, JJ Pegeese.
Speaker 3: Oh, we both consensus. I'm not one hunderdercent sure, but
Speaker 3: several times in the last couple of weeks we have
Speaker 3: taken Caldwell over Farmer. Yeah, and I would have said
Speaker 3: a month ago we would have taken Farmer over Caldwell.
Speaker 2: Coldball's more nosy, I know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Rounder, Yeah, I think I have called well ahead of them.
Speaker 2: Here's a little curveball to throw at you.
Speaker 3: But we don't have to go back to back.
Speaker 2: Top player available right now, Jaylen Milroe. I like that
Speaker 2: at eighty three. Do we think that's realistic?
Speaker 3: Probably not. Let's not do it. I don't think he
Speaker 3: gets out of the second round.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the other players still available then, Marcus and
Speaker 2: bow Barrett Carter. These are in their rankings. Emrie Jones
Speaker 2: the offensive tackle out of LSU, Chris Paul the linebacker
Speaker 2: from Ole, Miss, Tyler Schuck, quarterback from Louisville. Latham Ransom,
Speaker 2: safety from Ohio State, Jacob Parrish the cornerback from Kansas State.
Speaker 2: Ashton Jillette, edge rusher from Louisville. Kyle Cannard, the edge
Speaker 2: from South Carolina, Cameron Williams, the offensive tackle from Texas.
Speaker 2: DJ Giddens, the running back from k State. See, that's
Speaker 2: the argument that I have for taking Omary and Hampton
Speaker 2: or Travon Henderson in the first round.
Speaker 3: If that I don't love like Giddons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the running backs that you're going to have available
Speaker 2: in the third round, if you go from twenty one
Speaker 2: to eighty three, well, there's a chance that a lot
Speaker 2: of peop. Yeah, these guys might be good, But I
Speaker 2: know these other guys are gonna be good, Like I
Speaker 2: have a pretty good The bust rate is much lower
Speaker 2: that way. Hhmm, I'm just looking at Charles Grant is there? Uh, well,
Speaker 2: Howard is there? No Williams is there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd consider Shock, I'd consider Noel Williams. I'd
Speaker 3: consider my bow and a nose. There's a bunch of
Speaker 3: noses still avail.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking we can wait, I think we can Hmmm.
Speaker 3: I think my bow's your starting left guard next year,
Speaker 3: and a good one. Yeah, and maybe a tackle fits
Speaker 3: a scheme. Really good mover. Noel Williams is a good
Speaker 3: player too.
Speaker 2: I think you're take him Bow. I don't think you
Speaker 2: ignore the offensive line in this draft. Yes, all right, Bow,
Speaker 2: It is okay, and we are now cruising down. We
Speaker 2: have our next pick here at one twenty three. Thus
Speaker 2: far we have gotten Omari and Hampton, Shamar, Turner, Marcus
Speaker 2: and Bauk, So we filled running back, defensive tackle, offensive
Speaker 2: wish yeah, guard tackle, whatever it may be we got.
Speaker 2: We've got three picks left, one twenty three, one fifty six,
Speaker 2: one eight five.
Speaker 3: Is Noel Williams or one of the noses.
Speaker 2: Still sitting there now we almost have to go there.
Speaker 3: The nose is going to be take the president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're cruising down here to it, and we are
Speaker 2: up and the nose tackles still available. They ain't get
Speaker 2: touched really, which I could kind of see.
Speaker 3: Right, and they're not. Everyone's in the market forum, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh Farmer, Jordan Phillips, Jamari Callball, JJ Pageese all
Speaker 2: still there.
Speaker 3: Maybe between Farmer and Caldwell for me and neither be fine.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a tough call, it is. That's a
Speaker 2: tough call.
Speaker 3: Of Farmer's length. I think he's really strong, but Caldwell's
Speaker 3: really active and a little more nosier, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they brought both guys in.
Speaker 3: I bet they both. They like them both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hmmmm mm, that's tough. That is a tough call.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a wrong one.
Speaker 2: I don't think there is either.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 2: I mean that's I would again, you'd have to get
Speaker 2: these guys in a room and sit them down to
Speaker 2: talk to them, and.
Speaker 3: I mean we don't have that advantage. To me, that's
Speaker 3: a true coin flip too, Like they're both fine and
Speaker 3: you get that in the fourth round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Mmm, I think I think Caldwell is more nosy.
Speaker 2: I think you go with Caldwell since you since you
Speaker 2: already got your end.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think Farmer can do all the above.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I do too, But I want a true nose.
Speaker 2: If I'm gonna if I'm gonna go for a nose,
Speaker 2: I want a true nose. No, he is Yeah, Farmer
Speaker 2: to me is more Keanu Benton. Yeah, like yeah, where
Speaker 2: he can play nos but he also might be might
Speaker 2: be better.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's the same anchor, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has longer arms, longer arms, right, Yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: we got two picks left, one fifty six and one
Speaker 2: eighty five.
Speaker 3: Corner wouldn't break my heart.
Speaker 2: Corner wouldn't break my heart. Probably want to take a
Speaker 2: quarterback with one of these picks. Maybe, Yeah, if somebody
Speaker 2: presents themselves, we're up top players available. Dante Thornton, wide
Speaker 2: receiver out of Tennessee. Somebody asked him, he's intriguing to
Speaker 2: me too. Somebody asked me about him today on the
Speaker 2: on yesterday's show on the message board, and I said, look,
Speaker 2: he They said, isn't he like Martavis Bryant? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's Martavis Bryanton that he can run deep, but he's
Speaker 2: not built like Martavis Bryant was. Mart Davis Bryant was thick.
Speaker 3: Martas Bryant was a free Yeah, I mean he was.
Speaker 3: He blew me away with how gumby issue was and
Speaker 3: how well he bent. That's not a fair comparison. That
Speaker 3: doesn't mean they both run fast.
Speaker 2: They're tall, right, but Dante Thornton's one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: five pounds in six or four change pencil thin. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna have trouble getting off press coverage, and
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: He needs a year, especially coming ont of that weird offense.
Speaker 2: And they said well, could he be a replacement for
Speaker 2: George Pickens. Yes, he would be one of three guys
Speaker 2: that would have to replace George Pickens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he might be your number three someday, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's not George Pickens. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Danny Stutsman the linebacker out of Oklahoma. Aronde Gadson, the
Speaker 2: tight end from Syracuse. Jalen Travis, the offensive tackle from Iowa.
Speaker 2: H savi On Jones, he had Drus rusher from LSU.
Speaker 2: Johnny Cornelius, offensive tackle from Oregon. Riley Mills the defensive
Speaker 2: tackle from Notre Dame. Dylan Gabriel the quarterback from Oregon.
Speaker 2: Doesn't do it for me. Thomas Fadona the tight end
Speaker 2: from Nebraska. Cal mcgonagay Mononagae running back from Rutgers. It's
Speaker 2: a little picked up over here. I'm cal McCord is
Speaker 2: still there. Josh Gray the guard, but we already took
Speaker 2: a guard.
Speaker 3: McCord would be fine, But what corners are available? Usually
Speaker 3: this is a pretty nice area for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they saw Frasier, Upton Stout, Jalen Smith. It's pretty well.
Speaker 3: Picked Oh yeah, ZOFH. Fraser is kind of interesting. You
Speaker 3: want to go m a Cord.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, so Dylan Gabriel, calm Accord, Curtis Work,
Speaker 2: Max Brosberg, Brady Cook. The quarterbacks have gotten pretty well
Speaker 2: picked over. I think I get quarterback here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fine with it. I was hoping somebody would
Speaker 3: blow our doors off at a different position.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen there.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we got one pick left here at one
Speaker 2: eighty five, and this is what we gain from, not from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have the late throwaway type pick. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there should be something quality.
Speaker 2: There should be somebody here that we think is either developmental.
Speaker 3: I mean, something that's like pretty much guaranteed a roster spot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know you're happy to have him, you know. All right,
Speaker 3: So we are up here at one eighty five. The
Speaker 3: players available, Riley Mills from Notre Dame, the defensive tackle
Speaker 3: the Jalen Lane, the wide receiver from Virginia Tech. That's intriguing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack Kaiser, linebacker from Notre Dame. Simeon Barrow defensive
Speaker 2: tackle from Miami, Brishard Smith, the running back from SMU
Speaker 2: Anias Peebles defensive tackle from Virginia Tech, Jamon Dumas Johnson,
Speaker 2: the linebacker from Kentucky, Kitan Crawford, safety from Nevada. Mitchell
Speaker 2: Evans tight end Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: I kind of like him.
Speaker 2: I like him, Yeah, saw Frasier still there.
Speaker 3: I like Evans, I like Fraser, and I like Lane
Speaker 3: the receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those three are they.
Speaker 3: Were all intriguing picks. Ferguson can block. I mean he's
Speaker 3: a typical Notre Dame. He can block. He's he's never Evans. Yeah. Evans, yeah,
Speaker 3: him and Ferguson.
Speaker 2: But he'll be a guy that sticks in the league
Speaker 2: for ten years.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If that's your third tight end, I think you're in
Speaker 3: really good shape. Yeah, but I don't know if we can.
Speaker 2: Take that over zaf Fraser though. Over the traits, that's
Speaker 2: a tough one. The RAS score nine point three six strong.
Speaker 2: It's a strong, strong RAS score, whereas Evans is seven
Speaker 2: point twenty five Jalen Lane is nine point nine point
Speaker 2: five six he is.
Speaker 3: They're both big time and I know why you bring
Speaker 3: that up. I mean, especially with these late picks the
Speaker 3: last two years, they have taken shots on athleticism and
Speaker 3: I love that approach. My only problem with Lane is
Speaker 3: he's five to nine oh yeah, I know he's tiny.
Speaker 3: That's my problem too, is he's a little redundant with
Speaker 3: Austin and Wilson. He's explosive though, and he's a heck
Speaker 3: of an athlete. I think it takes Fraser.
Speaker 2: I think you take Fraser zoff Frasier cornerback utsa.
Speaker 3: If he can turn into a long man coverage corner,
Speaker 3: if it's two years from now that if.
Speaker 2: He turns into a gunner, if he displaces James Pierre, great,
Speaker 2: if he's guys Trice, it's almost worth it. Yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: you give me a lot of those. You know, we're
Speaker 2: talking about a six round pick here. So what we
Speaker 2: came out of this with was one trade back to thirty.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they want to go to thirty
Speaker 2: or not, but they we did in this block draft.
Speaker 3: I didn't love that the Bills came up for a dtackle.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't love that either, But we got Amar
Speaker 2: and Hampton at thirty. At sixty two, which we took
Speaker 2: instead of taking fifty six, which was nearest initially offering.
Speaker 2: We got Shamar Turner, the defensive tackle out of Texas
Speaker 2: A and m he'll play end for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very happy.
Speaker 2: At eighty three, we got Marcus Abau, the offensive guard
Speaker 2: aligneman from Purdue. At one twenty three, Jamari Calbwell, defensive
Speaker 2: tackle from Oregon, at one fifty six, Cal McCord quarterback
Speaker 2: at A Syracuse, and at one eighty five Zaf Frasier,
Speaker 2: the cornerback from UTSA. Just to show you the difference here,
Speaker 2: the pick at two twenty nine, if we'd have stayed there,
Speaker 2: ended up being let's see your worst. Two twenty nine
Speaker 2: ended up being yep, skipped the skipped on me. There
Speaker 2: it's round seven, picked two twenty nine the Bills took
Speaker 2: Where are they at? Yeah they are Isais Waxter, cornerback
Speaker 2: out of Villanova.
Speaker 3: First I've heard him. Yeah, Yeah, that's what you look.
Speaker 3: That kind of suffs a big deal. Yeah, I talk
Speaker 3: about all the time. Omar has a great history of
Speaker 3: these two years, of almost every trade he's made, there's
Speaker 3: a late round pick swap that helps the Steelers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to go back as far. You
Speaker 2: keep staying that right right as best as you can
Speaker 2: do in terms of in that particular draft.
Speaker 3: Especially during the COVID drafts, the seventh round was a
Speaker 3: real throw away time yeah, it's getting better now.
Speaker 2: This one's not as bad. This is really the last
Speaker 2: like COVID COVID year, and so it's a deeper draft.
Speaker 2: All the guys that stayed in school are now coming
Speaker 2: out and that's why this.
Speaker 3: There was a couple of drafts or once you get
Speaker 3: past the fifth round us.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be some good udfas this year. I think, oh,
Speaker 2: running back, running backs, Maybe find a defensive tackle that
Speaker 2: no one find, like a tight end that's useful. You know,
Speaker 2: it's pretty deep. That's Russia that Yeah, I took one already.
Speaker 2: I can't find a spot for this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not bad, No, not bad, not maybe my
Speaker 2: favorite home.
Speaker 3: I would say I would go fish. I would rather
Speaker 3: see how it plays out these next three days. But
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I will say this, so if if if we hadn't moved,
Speaker 2: if we had just stayed where we were at, and
Speaker 2: you took Amari and Hampton at twenty one, Chamar Turner
Speaker 2: at eighty three, mm, Marcus Abou with your fourth round pick,
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Jamari Cobo with your fifth round pick. Uh,
Speaker 2: Kyle McCord and zaf Frasier with your six and seventh
Speaker 2: been really happy with that.
Speaker 3: Right now, I hear you. If we were stuck, we
Speaker 3: probably would have taken Harmon or Nolan, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And then but then when I've settled at running back
Speaker 2: or yeah, whatever, we'd end up with DJ Giddons probably
Speaker 2: for someone of that probably, yeah, not picking again.
Speaker 3: To eighty three. Yeah, I don't think Johnson.
Speaker 2: Gets eighty three. I don't think he does either, which
Speaker 2: is a big line there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think there's a lot of good
Speaker 2: backs in this draft, but I do think there is
Speaker 2: a line there right between those guys.
Speaker 3: And if I don't get those above the line, the
Speaker 3: Johnson and Ohio State dudes, I might take two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm if I'm ahead of.
Speaker 2: Them, make sure I get one right, right right. Somebody
Speaker 2: that's going to contribute so anyways, might.
Speaker 3: Be one to seventh round, or it might be a
Speaker 3: text attack kid or something. Yeah, somebody that shouldn't still
Speaker 3: be there.
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
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Speaker 2: They get the drums in there. Welcome back. I am
Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt when
Speaker 2: we come back on Monday. Yeah, regular drive time, regular
Speaker 2: draft time. We're back on Monday. What do you expect
Speaker 2: the Steelers to have accomplished this weekend?
Speaker 3: Well, I do think Steelers aside. I think this first
Speaker 3: round is going to be chaotic and wild, especially the
Speaker 3: second half. I think there could be a lot of
Speaker 3: trades late and maybe including the Steelers, quite possibly including
Speaker 3: the Steelers, and maybe in I'm gonna go crazy. I
Speaker 3: bet they make two draft day trades, maybe a trade back,
Speaker 3: and at some point you use a future pick to
Speaker 3: move up at some point maybe you know, I can't
Speaker 3: believe that guy's there. You move up ten spots in
Speaker 3: the fourth round, and I cost you a sixth next
Speaker 3: year or fifth next year. You know, I could see
Speaker 3: not looking like a lot of the marks we've done
Speaker 3: because you're not picking in the spot.
Speaker 2: In those spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I do think, and well, just because it's what we've done,
Speaker 2: I think he come out of this draft with two
Speaker 2: defensive line that would be great, a running back, and
Speaker 2: then everything after that is kind of gravyous. Those things
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 3: Happen a d lineman and a running back.
Speaker 2: I think defensive linemen would be a running back.
Speaker 3: I know that they've signed some people that aren't household names. Fine,
Speaker 3: but you need to get younger. That to me, younger
Speaker 3: and more talented Isaya louder Milk with all respect doesn't
Speaker 3: move the needle to do they sign for the Patriots
Speaker 3: doesn't move the needle. That's fine, that's step through camp
Speaker 3: and maybe somebody stands out. But in a D line
Speaker 3: rich draft, that is my number one priority is attack
Speaker 3: of D line. Yeah, and the running back will happen.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of a carryover of what they have
Speaker 2: done in the last two drafts in which Omar Khan
Speaker 2: and Andy Widhell have been setting the board and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. They've taken five offensive linemen in the last two.
Speaker 3: Years, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: Year, and they took three last year, three in the
Speaker 2: first four rounds last year.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: They're intentions are very clear, and their plan is very clear.
Speaker 3: It's a it's just wasn't created overnight. It's a three year,
Speaker 3: four year plan to really get this roster sort of
Speaker 3: looking like the Eagles. You know what you're looking for here.
Speaker 2: And I don't think, regardless of what some of the
Speaker 2: fans feel out there, I don't believe this roster is
Speaker 2: has as many holes on it as I don't either
Speaker 2: as some would lead you to believe. I think it's
Speaker 2: a pretty solid roster. But the two holes are at
Speaker 2: defensive line and at running backs. Yeah, I mean really
Speaker 2: running backs, not even a real whole hole, because you've
Speaker 2: got to quality and right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you really start looking at the depth chart
Speaker 3: of you know what, where could you put bodies to
Speaker 3: truly help? I mean, yes, you could upgrade anywhere. I mean,
Speaker 3: but you're not going to get drel Reeves and put
Speaker 3: them over play. I mean, like, and you're realistic, who's
Speaker 3: my fifty three when it's all said and done, et cetera.
Speaker 3: There's not as many spots as thin and I don't
Speaker 3: think they need to make ten picks. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: kind of quality over quantity, but too, d Lineman would
Speaker 3: be a nice quantity.
Speaker 2: I think that's been like in all the mock drafts
Speaker 2: that we've done. If there's a prevailing sentiment or prevailing
Speaker 2: idea through throughout the whole thing is that. I do
Speaker 2: think that again, quality over quantity is the is the
Speaker 2: biggest thing. Yes, there's been some mock drafts where we
Speaker 2: all right, let's we're going to acquire some extra picks here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you start looking at it and going, Okay,
Speaker 2: how many of these guys are actually going to make
Speaker 2: the team?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how can they? What's their path to helping?
Speaker 2: And having all those picks is nice, it is, and
Speaker 2: it's fun for mock drafts, but in reality you probably
Speaker 2: don't have that many roster spots.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you get down the end and be like, I
Speaker 3: guess we'll take a safety because he helps on special teams. Yeah,
Speaker 3: five safeties are probably to make the team, you know, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, like, how does that really work? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And you know, I still believe that Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 2: very much in play here in Pittsburgh. I think he's
Speaker 2: going to play football in twenty twenty five, and I
Speaker 2: think it's going to be for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3: I lean that way too. And maybe when we're down there,
Speaker 3: it'll kind of just be everyone just assumes it. Who knows.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, having been down there, right right right,
Speaker 2: there's a prevailing sentimentally that's going to happen. So, you know,
Speaker 2: people guessing about this stuff, and you know, the national
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're not guessing on what they think
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is going to do, right, they've been in
Speaker 2: constant contact with Aaron Rodgers. They have a really good
Speaker 2: feeling that Aaron Rodgers is going to sign. I don't
Speaker 2: care what he said on the McAfee show. I don't
Speaker 2: care what somebody said who talked to him once five
Speaker 2: years ago on a sideline somewhere, doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2: That's a guess from them. People are trying to interpret
Speaker 2: what Aaron Rodgers said. They've talked to him directly, and
Speaker 2: they're interpreting their conversations to say that he's going to
Speaker 2: play football this season, and he's going to do it
Speaker 2: in a Pittsburgh Steelers uniform.
Speaker 3: They're not hoping in prey. No, oh boy, I hope
Speaker 3: Aaron says yes. I mean no, I mean they think
Speaker 3: he's going to say yes, right, and they're gonna get
Speaker 3: this thing done.
Speaker 2: I assume he's told them, hey, yeah, I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: We're gonna do something here once I get my stuff
Speaker 2: taken care of here in my personal life is that
Speaker 2: rights not under contract with anybody, right right.
Speaker 3: He can do whatever he wants, absolutely, but.
Speaker 2: We shall see.
Speaker 3: We return when the drive returns, We're gonna be see
Speaker 3: each other a lot. But when the driver returns, let's go.
Speaker 2: We will start breaking down these newest Steelers and have
Speaker 2: fun doing all that. What the roster then looks like plenty.
Speaker 3: Of stuff to get to agent, all kinds of stuff, right.
Speaker 2: And then next thing you know, ota start to kick
Speaker 2: off here and all the fun starts.
Speaker 3: And I do think across the league, maybe even as
Speaker 3: soon as next week, some more free agents will start signing.
Speaker 3: Oh they'll be.
Speaker 2: They'll be free agent signings maybe starting Sunday, maybe even.
Speaker 3: Saturday night Sunday. And yeah, some guys maybe JK. Dobbins
Speaker 3: or somebody goes to a team or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I think, if I remember correctly, I think the Steelers
Speaker 2: signed Demonte k Z Saturday the draft wrapped up and
Speaker 2: we've we've signed Damante k Z. Oh they didn't get
Speaker 2: a safety in the draft, so they went safety. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the way that works anyways. For my partner Matt Williamson,
Speaker 2: for Justin Miller here on site running the Justin Miller
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