1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Drive here on the Steelers 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Audio Network. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson. 6 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 3: And you know. 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: By the imposing music, yes, that the Dean of Doom, 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: the Lord of living in his fears, is now joining 9 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: us on the Justin Miller Hotline. How you doing labs? 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 4: Okay, the Dean is taking charge here up of this segment. Okay, 11 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 4: I have a question for both of each of you, guys. 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: Oh, bring it on, great, Yes, all right, you. 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 4: Are picking for the Steelers, and you have the first 14 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 4: overall pick, so you can add any player who is 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 4: eligible and availab well, obviously they're all available. Any player 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 4: who is eligible for this draft to add to the 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: current Steelers roster to help them for the twenty twenty 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 4: five season. Who you got? 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: Take it away? I know both of our answers. 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: We kind of we just get to, you know, just 21 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: in our top twenty one in the opening segment, and 22 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: you're probably gonna disagree with this, but I'm taking cam 23 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: Ward just ahead of Travis Hunter. 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: And I'm taking Hunter just above cam Ward because I 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: think receiver and corner are minor needs. And I frankly 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: think he's a very very special prospect. And I'm a 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: Ward fan, but I will dip my toe in the 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: quarterback market next year. 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 4: Okay, interesting, interesting. 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: Who you taking? 31 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna you know, I don't know enough about 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 4: am Ward. You know, I've watched a little TV. I 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 4: watched Miami some. You know, he was interesting. I mean 34 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 4: I enjoyed watching the Hurricanes play. I mean that's my 35 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 4: you know, my total uh, you know, evaluation. 36 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: Let's put it this way, Bob. We've gone through with 37 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: with a couple of the people who are quarterback quote 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: unquote experts or gurus or whatever you want to say. 39 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: And the comp that keeps coming back on cam Ward 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: is he sawed off Ben Roethlisberger, which. 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 3: I think is a little rich. 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: Though might be a little rich. But if you give 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: me Ben Roethlisberger, give me eighty five nine Ben Roethlisberger. 44 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: And Okay, because I was gonna say, what what what 45 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: does saw off mean? He's short, He's a shorter Ben Roethlisberger. 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 3: He's got small hands. I think he's six y one, 47 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: but he's thickly built. 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean, if that's the case, I'm taking 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 4: a quarterback. But I mean again, I am admitting, you know, 50 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: my deficiencies in the talent evaluation area every year because 51 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 4: I don't see anything except you know, when I'm watching 52 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 4: college football on Saturdays, and so I'm a you know, 53 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: kind of a victim of who's ever on TV. So, 54 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 4: but you know, the Travis Hunter pick to me is interesting, 55 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: So where's he playing? 56 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: There would be some juggling. I would mostly play him 57 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: at receiver for a stealer for the Steelers. I think 58 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: he's basically an equal prospect at both. And he's the 59 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: best corner and the best receiver in this draft. So 60 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: even if he can't do both, I think you'd be 61 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: really happy with it. But I would try to at 62 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: least get him out there on offense third and longs 63 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: yeah two many. You know, when there's too much left 64 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: in the game and you need a touchdown to win, 65 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: even if he's only running a short rout or a 66 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: condensed rout tree, I think it's pretty special. 67 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: See, i'd play m a cornerback because I would to 68 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: start him, but I would start him. You said you 69 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: start them at wide receiver. 70 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: I didn't mean that I would I played more to 71 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: the corner here. 72 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: If I had If I were the Steelers and I 73 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: had the number one overall pick and I wasn't going 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: to go take the quarterback, I wouldn't have signed Sleigh 75 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: and I would just takeing Travis Hunter and say, here 76 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: you go, Travis, here that you're you're starting on the outside. 77 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 4: No, No, that wasn't That wasn't that weren't That wasn't 78 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 4: the parameters. 79 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: As it is now. 80 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: Okay, Genie comes out of the bottle and says, you 81 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,559 Speaker 3: get the first pick in the draft, Now who you're taking? 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,559 Speaker 2: Well, then I would also consider asking Genty there. 83 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: I would take both those guys over Genty. 84 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: Saying that helped the team. Now, I would still take Ward, 85 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: but I might consider Genty over for for this year. 86 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: If that's the exercise, we're just trying to put together 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: the best team we can put out there this year. 88 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: Well, you add them to the roster. It's not like 89 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: you don't get them two years from now. I understand, right, 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: you just got granted the first overall pick right in there. 91 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: How you understand nobody. I'm still taking Ward, but I 92 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: would consider genty because I think he's special. 93 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think he's pretty great. 94 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 4: But you wouldn't. You wouldn't consider the depth of the 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 4: running back position and think, if I'm going to add someone, 96 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: I can I can add a running back well Friday 97 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: or Saturday and help the team more in a different area. 98 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: Well, I'm still saying I would take Ward over over Genty, 99 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: but Genty would be in my I would think about genty. 100 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: Let me complicate things, lab Do we still have picked 101 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: twenty one? 102 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 4: No? No, that's your that's your only first round pick. Okay, 103 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 4: the only thing you can't do because I think that 104 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: maybe the most valuable thing would be the trade out. 105 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: Obviously. 106 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would field. 107 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: Off because I think he end up with you get 108 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 4: your Dack had the number one overall pick, you'd get 109 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: who's ever trading with you. They'd have to give you 110 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 4: this year's one, and I think you get another one 111 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: at least. 112 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: Probably and probably somebody's next year in somebody's two in 113 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: this draft a year back into the second round, Which 114 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: is I. 115 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 4: Didn't I didn't want to add trading to. 116 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: The mad Our head spin. 117 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: Right, Well, and that's that's way too you know, there's 118 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: way too much projection in that. I mean, there's a 119 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 4: lot of projection in this. But if you say you 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 4: got to pick somebody, uh yeah, I I'm just you're 121 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 4: not interested in Abdul Carter. 122 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: No, not not. I mean he'd edge guy. I mean, 123 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: he'd be fighting Smith for snaps. I'm just good enough there. 124 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: And he's got he's got some injury stuff that kind 125 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: of scares me. 126 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, I think Travis Hunter helps more 127 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 4: this year as a corner. I agree, Yeah, I really, 128 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: I really believe that you've got to get somebody like 129 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: Joey Porter junior opposite Joey Porter Junior. Maybe Darius Slay 130 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: is that guy, and you know, we'll find out. But 131 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 4: if I could add right at top of the depth 132 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: chart corner who can play, you know, man to man, 133 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: line up and play a guy on that side of 134 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: the field, I really think that opens up your defense 135 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: for a lot of the kinds of pressure things you 136 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: want to do. Maybe it frees up your free safety 137 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: to be able to go back, you know, to roam 138 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: in the field and becoming a ballhawk again. I think 139 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: your pressure package has become much more effective. 140 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: Labs. We were actually talking about that yesterday. And I'm 141 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: not ripping on Dante Jackson, but his inability to really 142 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: be a man coverage corner I thought hurt this defense 143 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: for all those reasons. You know, like I bet they 144 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: have fifteen more sacks if they have that corner you're 145 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: talking about. You know what I mean, Like the ball 146 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: doesn't come out immediately if you're playing bump and run 147 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: man and you're blitzing more. And I think a ripple 148 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: effect of a man coverage corner would have massive effects 149 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: on this defense. 150 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: Okay, well, interesting, I agree, I'm agreeing with it. It's 151 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 4: your show, so you can go back now to talk 152 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: on what you want to talk about. I'm satisfied with 153 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 4: my contribution. 154 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: What would your thoughts on should or Sanders be at 155 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: twenty one? And I know you haven't broke down his 156 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: footwork and his reads and but you're familiar with them. 157 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: You don't live under a rock, and you know who 158 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: his dad is and all that. I mean, I'm not 159 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: big on it, but I can understand it. 160 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm gonna be honest 161 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,119 Speaker 4: here too. When I watched Colorado the last two seasons. 162 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: I rooted against them heavy because his dad, to me, 163 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: is just in sufferable, insufferable and I and well, let 164 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 4: me say this too, in fairness to Dion, I think 165 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 4: a lot of it has to do with the way 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: the media fawns all over him. You know, this coach 167 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: prime crap to me is that's not your name. So 168 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: I'm calling you by your name, Coach Sanders if you want, 169 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 4: or Dion or Sanders or whatever. But that whole coach 170 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: prime genuflection that was going on every time he was 171 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: talked about just just turn my stomach. So I am 172 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 4: going to acknowledge that a lot of I watched Colorado 173 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: through that prism of my bias or attitude to how 174 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: that was unfolding. Now, I don't know necessarily that Dion 175 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 4: would be a pain in the butt once his kid 176 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: is in an NFL team, So and I don't know 177 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 4: enough of box should do or I just don't. I 178 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 4: certainly am throwing out pretty much everything he did when 179 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 4: he played at Jackson State, because at that level, you 180 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 4: have him, you have. 181 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: The best player in the country. Is he was voted 182 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: the best player in the country last year. For this 183 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: past season, and you had him at playing at that level. 184 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: And you're an NFL quarterback playing at Jackson State. 185 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 4: And the other thing was, you know, he got sacked 186 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 4: a lot, But was that because he was holding onto 187 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 4: the ball too long or you know, a quarterback issue, 188 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 4: or was that his offensive line just stink? 189 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: I think it's about yeah, well. 190 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 4: See because and that's what I mean. I don't know 191 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 4: enough about him to say that this guy is worth 192 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: a number one pick or not. I just don't. 193 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: Laughs. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I remember when 194 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: Dion was even in his prime, he wasn't the most 195 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: popular guy in Pittsburgh either, because Steeler fans thought Woodson 196 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 3: was the best corner. People in everyone thought, and a 197 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: lot of people thought Dion was the best corner and 198 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: he didn't tackle. I just remember him being not popular 199 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: around here. Oh yeah, yeah. 200 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: And what's the Woodson being Steeler had a lot to 201 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: do with that. And I was always love I love 202 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: this story. When Dion was a baseball player and Kurt 203 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 4: Shilling I believe was pitching for the Red Sox or 204 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 4: maybe it was the Phillies, but anyway, Shilling threw at 205 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 4: Dion a couple of times in a game and after 206 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 4: the game, he was asked, weren't you concerned that Dion 207 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: Sanders might charge the mound, and Shilling's answer was, what's 208 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 4: he gonna do arm tackle me? 209 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: He'd be fast getting to the mound. 210 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, see, I always the physicality that 211 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 4: Woodson brought to the position to me is, you know, 212 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 4: it was important to the way that Chuck Will wanted 213 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 4: to play defense. And you know, that's the way I 214 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 4: think defense needs to be played. You know, you have 215 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 4: to be able to run, support, come up and make tackles, 216 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 4: you know, those kinds of things. Uh, the whole uh, 217 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: the way Dion was used as an NFL player a lot, 218 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 4: I thought, you know, just shadowing a receiver, and he 219 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: was always praised for taking that guy out of the game. Well, 220 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 4: you know, first of all, it was in the nineties 221 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: and the NFL offenses weren't as sophisticated passing offenses as 222 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 4: they are now. So you're taking it, you know, a 223 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: wide receiver out of the game. But I'll tell you what, 224 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 4: I never saw Delon take Jerry Rice out of the game. 225 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, I was a Woodson guy, I 226 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 4: admit it. 227 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: Rob was just a more complete player. 228 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he again, I you know, when you talk 229 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 4: about athlete theon played baseball with at a major league level, 230 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: which was you know, kudos to him for that. But people, 231 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people either forget or don't recognize, 232 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 4: you know, when you're a world class hurdler, a guy 233 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: who at one point Woodson had the fastest time in 234 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: America in an Olympic year in his event those high hurdles. 235 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 4: You know, that's that's pretty elite too. I mean, you 236 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 4: go to the Olympics and win a medal in that event. 237 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 4: I think that that's very comparable in terms of accomplishment 238 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 4: as a second sport for you. Uh you know, it's 239 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: playing major league baseball is for an NFL player. So 240 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 4: uh yeah, Woodson, Uh he held his own, uh in 241 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 4: my opinion, in uh in terms of all around special 242 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: athletic ability to So yeah, as I said, I was 243 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 4: a Woodson guy. I just thought he was. He was 244 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 4: really special. I remember a game. It was an opener 245 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 4: three Rivers Stadium. The Steelers played the forty nine Ers. 246 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: I know I know exactly what play you're going to 247 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: talk about, because I still talk to me. 248 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 4: I'm just talking about the whole game. Yeah, well, yeah, 249 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: Rice caught a couple of touchdown passes, but Woodson had 250 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 4: an interception on him and blocked the kick the extra point. 251 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: He baited Steve Young into into throwing that that pass 252 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: at Woodson intercept, and he intercepted it with like two 253 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: fingers to himself. It is unbelievable. 254 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 4: So yeah, I I you know, you can say Rice 255 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: scored a couple of touchdowns, but when you're a corner 256 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: on a guy like that at all day and you 257 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 4: also have an interception and block a kick, you know, 258 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 4: I'd call it even. And if you're even with a 259 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: guy like that against a team like that, hey, as 260 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: heinz Ward would say, you take your you take your 261 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: hat off and hand it to him. Bobby. 262 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: He also got punts like he was a center fielder, 263 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: which I loved. 264 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: But you've covered a lot of these drafts, as we 265 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: will start to do tomorrow. Is Woodson one of the 266 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: biggest surprises that you've seen over the years that the 267 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: Steelers took. 268 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: Well, I will tell you this. Tony Dungee told me 269 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 4: this story after you know, the draft, after you know, 270 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: actually some years into Woodson's career, Dungee was the defensive 271 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: coordinator at the time. You know, pro days and all 272 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 4: that stuff were not as nearly as sophisticated, uh nor 273 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: as ballyhood as they were as they are now. But 274 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: Dungee told me that Chuck Nole told him, don't waste 275 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 4: your time going to that. Don't going to Purdue. He's 276 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 4: never he's not going to be there for them when 277 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: we pick, which was tenth. I believe yeah, and uh 278 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 4: so we need you to, you know, do other things. 279 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 4: That's just the waste of your time. So that was 280 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 4: to me a sign of what the Steelers thought of 281 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: this guy. When you're picking tenth, you don't even bother, 282 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 4: you know, allocating any resources because you don't think he's 283 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: going to be there and you need to allocate those 284 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 4: resources elsewhere. But you know, then the Browns, the Browns 285 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 4: is the Browns, and they picked Mike Jenkins. 286 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: Was not just the Browns, because if you look at 287 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: that eighty seven draft, I was getting there, the only 288 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: Famer selected was Rod Woodson Well, but. 289 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 4: I mean in that top nine picks, then the Saint 290 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: Louis Cardinals, Kelly Stowe for ye, there was that. 291 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: One Green Bay talk. 292 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: It was Vinnie Testaverdi Cornelius Bennett, Alonso high Smith, Brent Fullwood, 293 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: Mike Jenkin, Kelly Stove for Reggie Rogers to Detroit, Shane 294 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: Conlin the Buffalo, Jerome Brown to Philadelphia Jerome Brown. And 295 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 2: it was a really good player, Ben. 296 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: It was a two. 297 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Cornelius Bennett was a good player, you know, for 298 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: a long time. But they weren't Rob Woodson. 299 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 4: No. And I remember, you know, as that draft was unfolding, 300 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 4: everybody knew that Jerome Brown was going to the Eagles. 301 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: That was a done deal. That was like Reggie Rogers 302 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: going to Detroit and Brent Fullwood the Green Bay too. 303 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 4: That was a that was an accepted you know people, 304 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 4: that was an expected pick. It turned out to be 305 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 4: a bad pick, but that's what everyone thought was going 306 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 4: to happen, right, So once it came to Buffalo's pick, 307 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 4: you know, I remember sitting in that room at three 308 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 4: Rivers Stadium and you're looking at the ward thinking the 309 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 4: Steelers are going to come out of this with either 310 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 4: Shane Conlin or Rod Woodson. And you know, at the time, 311 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: Shane Conlin was. 312 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: A very good player. 313 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think either one of them would have 314 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 4: helped the Steelers, but I mean, Woodson is a Hall 315 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 4: of Fame guy, you know. However, seventy interceptions or whatever 316 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 4: he ended up with, I mean, just just a special 317 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: all timer, all time Steelers. 318 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: My favorite pick in that draft went two picks after 319 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: Woodson to the Dallas Cowboys, who took Danny Noonanon Newton, Yeah. 320 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 4: Who went on to star in movies. 321 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: He took him after the movie. 322 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: Did the Olympics scare people off with Woodson? Because I 323 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: know he kind of used that as a holdout situation. 324 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 4: He was, I know this, I know this that that 325 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: you know, his agent, I think was Eugene Parker was 326 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 4: using that leverage, leverage you know, for the contract and 327 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 4: at one point and Jim Boston, who was doing it, 328 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 4: was the negotiator at that time. He told me that 329 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 4: after a little bit, because every they kind of thought 330 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 4: that the track thing the Olympics was just a you know, 331 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: an excuse or a negotiating floyd. But Buff went to 332 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: Dan Rooney and said, we better start taking this track 333 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 4: stuff seriously. This guy could go to the Olympics and 334 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 4: win a medal. So yeah, it became. 335 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: It was real. 336 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 4: Became yeah, it became real. And you know, Woodson didn't 337 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 4: sign until what November or October or something like that. 338 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, now when did you put him in the Superman costume? 339 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: That was that was maybe nineteen ninety, Okay, I think 340 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: I don't remember the exact year, but yeah, that's when 341 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 4: Woodson was because I remember the nineteen ninety season. That 342 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 4: was the you know, the Joe Walton mistake, and the 343 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: Steelers went the first month of that season without scoring 344 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 4: offensive touchdown. And you know, they actually won a couple 345 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 4: of games, one of them because Woodson returned to kickoff 346 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 4: for a touchdown and another I don't know why they 347 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: won the other one, but Woodson did everything. And so 348 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 4: I think it was USA Today first that said something about, 349 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: you know, he looks like Superman, and I thought, hmm, 350 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 4: there's a there's an idea for a Steers digest and 351 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 4: you know, Mike Fabous, God rest his soul. The photographer 352 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 4: at the time convinced Woodson to where the Superman cost him. Okay, 353 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 4: so we shoot the picture and did it at that 354 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 4: at the grass field over by the Kaufman's warehouse, you know, 355 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 4: a little short walk away from three River Stadium, and. 356 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: So he had to walk there in the Superman costume. 357 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: No, no, no change. 358 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: There was a little there was a phone booth, yeah, 359 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 3: but it was like. 360 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: A shed or something over there that he was able 361 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 4: to go in and change. So anyway he changes, where's 362 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 4: the costume? Shoot, the picture changes out of it, So 363 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 4: then the issue comes out. And that was when the 364 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 4: rest of Woodson's teammates saw it for the first time. 365 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 4: So the amount of ribbing i'll use that word, that 366 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 4: he was taking from his teammates was considerable, considerable. And 367 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 4: Woodson's story at the time was that's not really me. 368 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: They just superimposed my head on that photo, which, hey whatever, 369 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 4: you be. 370 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 2: Much more believable today than it would have been back 371 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety. 372 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 4: You know. And again they made his teammates may have 373 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 4: made fun of him for the costume, but I don't 374 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 4: think any of them would have questioned the veracity of 375 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 4: the comparison. 376 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all. Anybody else stand 377 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: out over the years that you boy, I had no 378 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 2: idea that that guy was going to fall to them, 379 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: or can't believe that guy was that was the pick there. 380 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: I couldn't didn't think he would still be on. 381 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 4: The board, not not the jumps, not not the jumps 382 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 4: out of me. 383 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: Uh, maybe the Paula Malu trade up. 384 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that was a month once because once the 385 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 4: trade was done and the pick was made, then you know, 386 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: there was no it was more about the trade that 387 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 4: was wow, because that was the first time in franchise 388 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 4: history the Steelers ever did that. 389 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they moved up a bunch, like they came 390 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: way up to. 391 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 4: Twenty seven to sixteen. Yeah, you know it's interesting too. 392 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 4: I I throw this out a lot too. You know, 393 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: people thinking that, well, you can trade back from twenty 394 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: one to like twenty eight or twenty nine and get 395 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 4: a second round pick. Well, you know when the Steelers 396 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: traded up from twenty seven to sixteen, you know they 397 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 4: flop picks obviously, you always do that, right, But they 398 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 4: got a three and a five, and you're moving up 399 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 4: to sixteen, which to me is a lot more significant 400 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 4: than moving up to twenty one. And they moved up 401 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 4: to sixteen and didn't have to give up a two. 402 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: So while you know, the trade down thing sounds good 403 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: and hey, maybe it works out. I hope it does. 404 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 4: But the assumption that you're going to trade down but 405 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 4: not out of the first round and net a number 406 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 4: two pick out of it. I just don't think is realistic. 407 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it is either. I think you're 408 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: probably looking at getting another just another day to pick 409 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 2: and maybe a little sweetener on the back end of it, 410 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: which I'd still be interested in. If you can get to. 411 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 4: Maybe that'd get right, Maybe that's worth a two. Yeah, 412 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 4: But you know, I just don't think that a team 413 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 4: is going to give you a two to move up. 414 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not. 415 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: You're not trading into the top ten. 416 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 4: Bottom third of the first round. 417 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 418 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 4: Hey, I hope there's a team out there dumb enough 419 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 4: to do that, But I just don't think there is. 420 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 2: Well, our guest has been Bob Larbola, the Dean of Doom, 421 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: the lord of living in his fears, and uh, well, 422 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: how many drafts is this going to be for you labs? 423 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 4: Oh god, let's not talk about it. 424 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what was your what was your first year. 425 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 4: First year, well, working for the Steelers was nineteen eighty eight, 426 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 4: but I was at I was there in nineteen eighty 427 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 4: two and they picked Walter Abercrombie. Yeah, so there's that. 428 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: So it's been a while. 429 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what you're gonna be living in 430 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: your fears still, you know, because you got writing to do, 431 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 4: like I do. And if that's if Thursday, if tomorrow 432 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: ends and the Steelers doesn't didn't make a first round pick, 433 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 4: good luck coming up with something to right that day. 434 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I uh, I could live with that. 435 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: I could write about the trade. There's there's all kinds 436 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: of things you can you can you can find to 437 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: write about. And I'm also gonna have to be talking 438 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: at the same time, so I got to talk and 439 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: write at the same time, which is always fun too. 440 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: Oh Okay, I love draft Day. I'd like I'd like 441 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 4: them to make a pick that. 442 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: Would be good. I would I would enjoy that. Yes, 443 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: And they just say they they've never done They don't 444 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: trade out of the first round anymore. They haven't done 445 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: that since the sixties, other than trading for micka Fitzpatrick 446 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: trade actually trading, yeah, I. 447 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 4: Mean right, and actually it was sixties early sixties. 448 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't expect that to happen. 449 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: But before before Dan Rooney accepted Buddy Parker's resignation. 450 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: Quote, anyways, we'll let you go, labs. I know you 451 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: get a lot of busy stuff here to get to 452 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: but uh, we appreciate you stopping by as usual. 453 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 4: Uh. 454 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening 455 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt 456 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: and now will be back with more right after. 457 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: This list is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 458 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the 459 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio. 460 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the 461 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. And well the last one, the last one 462 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: is here, okay, and the picture in all right. Twenty 463 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: one we're using theprofootballnetwork dot com mock drafter today. They 464 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: seem to give us more realistic trade offer to things 465 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: a little bit more. We are up at twenty one 466 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: and the players available Derek Harmon, Good Malachi Starks, Nick 467 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 2: em Youwari, Josh Simmons, Tyler Booker, Walter Nolan, Gray's Abel, 468 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: Nick Scourton and Egg Buka, James Pearce, Jackson, Dart Amari 469 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: and Hampton, Donovan, Azeriku, Kenneth Grant, Luther Burden. 470 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: Okay, I would certainly field offers then the lot to 471 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: pick from. 472 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have offers. The Cardinals who traded back with 473 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: the Browns. Oh, this is interesting. Our offering for pick 474 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: twenty one and one fifty six picks thirty three and 475 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: forty seven. 476 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 3: Oh, that's an interesting build. Yeah, I'd strongly consider that. 477 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: Uh, Buffalo is offering picks thirty and fifty six were 478 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 2: picks twenty one and one eighty five? 479 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: What's a better deal? I would have to look be looking. 480 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: At the well, thirty three and forty seven is as 481 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: opposed to thirty and fifty six. 482 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay for the same two picks, right. 483 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 2: Uh for twenty one Arizona on's twenty one and one 484 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: fifty six and what was Buffalo Buffalo's twenty one? 485 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: Consider similar? 486 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: Similar, And the Chargers are offering picks twenty two and 487 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: two fifty six per pick twenty one. 488 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 3: I always think that's a little bit cheating. Yeah, I'd 489 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: consider the other two. 490 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna reject that one. I want to 491 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: look and see what Arizona has other than those two picks, 492 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: because I I one, I'm still very interested in making Oh. 493 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, we usually get good players there. 494 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know that I want to trade 495 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: out of the first round. You know, it's in name 496 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: only give it is thirty three, but there's mean it's 497 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: an early early. There's players there that I like and 498 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: I want, And if we get all the way down 499 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 2: to thirty three, I don't know if they all make 500 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: it that far. Oh I understand, right, I like trading 501 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: away from a good player. That's one thing that both 502 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin and omar Con said yesterday, like, Hey, we're 503 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: not going to trade away from a that we like. 504 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: We're players that we like. 505 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I might like the Buffalo angle better. 506 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: It's a higher pick. 507 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 508 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: So the Cardinals have thirty three, forty seven, sixty seven, 509 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: seventy eight one fifteen one fifty two two twenty five. 510 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: That's why they can offer they picked up they got 511 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: extra pick from the Browns. Yeah, obviously I don't want 512 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: to straight out of the first round. 513 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 3: Okay, well then tell though, yeah you want to talk 514 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 3: to Buffalo. 515 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: Uh, let's see, I'm going to reject Arizona's called Buffalo 516 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: is at thirty and fifty six for twenty one and 517 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: one eighty five. If we go to thirty in sixty two, 518 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: which they also have, Oh, they got two and don't 519 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: give them and give them two twenty nine instead of 520 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: one eighty five. 521 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 3: I'd be just as fine with that. 522 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: I would rather do that. Okay, I don't need fifty 523 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: six necessarily, no, but I think that I think when 524 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 2: we've drafted at one eighty five, if we found players 525 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: that we like in that spot. Oh, I know, when 526 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: we drafted two twenty nine, it's. 527 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah. 528 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: So if I can get a pick that's actually if 529 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: I one more real pick, one more real pick in 530 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: this particular draft as well. Yeah, where I'm going to 531 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: get guys in the. 532 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: Fourth future starting guard right right. 533 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, as opposed to twenty nine. And I'm like, I'm 534 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: just gonna take a guy who might be a. 535 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: Special teams player, some safety. It might not maic the team. 536 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 2: You know, That's the only way I want to do 537 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: this deal. And I'm going to propose that to them 538 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: and see they may not accept it. They did, all right, 539 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: So they came up to get Derek Harmon. 540 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I had a feeling they might want to do that. 541 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: Walter Nolan just went, Trey Amos just went, Gray's Abel 542 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: just went. Lost a bunch of guys that were on 543 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: the list. We're not We're not trading again here. So 544 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: I'm just going to reject all that. And so now 545 00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: you're looking at thirty Nick Emuori and that gag Buka, 546 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: James Pearce, Jackson, Dart Amari and Hampton, Josh Connerley, Luther Burden, 547 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant. 548 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 3: Well, going back to segment one, I would take Grant, 549 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: you would take Hampton. Yeah, so how do we split 550 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: the I would just say it's the last show. You 551 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: want to flip a coin, let's ask our our. I'm 552 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 3: sure nobody has a coin on them because nobody I 553 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: want to. 554 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: So what would this is? This is a consent. This 555 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: is how this works. You sitting sitting here, Okay, go 556 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: to the area, scoutch we got we got Hampton, we 557 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 2: got and Grant. We got Hampton and Grant on the board. Guys, 558 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: what are we what are we doing here? 559 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: Okay? Nice? They see in here they split, they split labs. 560 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: We should ask labs. 561 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: Does something something that could flip around here? Does it 562 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: change your credit card over? 563 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: Does it change your opinion though that we're taking Hampton 564 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: at thirty as opposed to twenty. 565 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely because we picked up something else. 566 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah that now we can get that defensive tackle. We 567 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: might get tylerk Williams in the second round and be 568 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: equally as happy because. 569 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: We have a second round, or let's do Hampton. 570 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that makes more sense. Like if 571 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna move down it, it does change the I'm 572 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: gonna get a premium running back premium round. I don't 573 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: have to wait and maybe miss out on Judkins and 574 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: Johnson and those guys in Travon Henderson. 575 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 3: Funny you said this because I'm not trying to like 576 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: cover my butt, but I meant to say that in 577 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: the first segment about the top twenty one that if 578 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 3: you have different picks, my twenty one list would change 579 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 3: a little, right, you know, like, oh, now I have 580 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 3: a second. Well I'm operating here that I don't have 581 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 3: a second. My next pick's eighty might go. 582 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: When I built that list, I might get a Mario 583 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: and Hampton and Alfred Collins and be like yeah or 584 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: Williams Yeah, or Williams and be like, Okay, all right, 585 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: right now we're cooking with gas. 586 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: All right, let's do it and see how it works out. 587 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: Okay, Marion Hampton, Okay, is the pick Travon Henderson did 588 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: go thirty two? 589 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: Now we want them to yeah, that makes us happen. 590 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so we got a Marion Hampton here, we got 591 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: our running back room is awesome, great, we're fantastic. 592 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: Our line room is not. It's not. 593 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: We might have to go D line D line here. 594 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: I would love that. It was actually going to be 595 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: my suggestion. 596 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: If it works out as opposed to quarterback, I'm fine 597 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: with that too. 598 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no problem ignoring quarterback this year. 599 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't either. All Right, we're coming 600 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: out here at sixty two. We're not trading rejecting rejecting now. 601 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: As it worked out, Caleb Johnson was still there, but 602 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: we didn't know that. Jaln Milrose there, Jalen Royals, Marcus 603 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: bow Oladaijo from UCLA, Alfred Collins from Texas, defensive tackle, 604 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: Jayden Higgins the wide receiver from wide receiver from Iowa State, Okay, 605 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: Braden Swinson, ed rusher out of LSU, Darien Porter, cornerback 606 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 2: Iowa State, Andrew mccouba, safety from ten exs. Kyle Williams 607 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: the wide receiver from Washington. I don't know I need 608 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: to go all that much deeper than that. 609 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I like, don't love Collins, but I probably 610 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 3: would go that direction. 611 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 2: I would consider Higgins there. 612 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: I would say Higgins being there's clouding my judgment a 613 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, I don't want to go two skill 614 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 3: guys and not draft the defensive lineman immediately. But we 615 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 3: do have extra picks. 616 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 2: We don't have extra pick. 617 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 3: Better. 618 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have better picks. 619 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 3: I mean that's that third round the lineman is going 620 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 3: to be. Maybe there's a Turner or Robinson, but it's 621 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 3: probably a nose And I don't know if Collins is 622 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 3: a big enough difference maker. Though I like him, I 623 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 3: don't love them. I wish he was a little twitchier. 624 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: Think you're got of stuff to run really well though. 625 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's just look and see what other defensive 626 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 2: tackles are available before we make the pick. So Collins 627 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 2: is there, Omar Norman Lott is there, Schamar Turner is there, 628 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: Robinson is there, Josh Farmer is there, Diomane Walker, C. J. West, 629 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips, Jamari Calbwell JJ Pigisee. 630 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: This is it's good. But it's good. Hit pretty hard 631 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 3: so far. 632 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is I mean, all these a bunch 633 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,959 Speaker 2: of these nose types are there. 634 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 3: I know, I know, I might even take Turner over call. 635 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask you, do you go with 636 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: a guy like Turner. 637 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 3: I had Turner two spots ahead of Collins outside my 638 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 3: twenty one but in my top thirty, kind of for 639 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 3: the same reasons why we had Grant behind Nolan and Harman. 640 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 3: Because he's an end I think I'd go Turner. 641 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: I get it. 642 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 3: I STUDI him the more I think he's a Steeler fit. 643 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's. 644 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 3: Playing temperament's nasty, he's long. 645 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with that, all right, Turner here, Yeah, 646 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 2: I can't go receiver running back with my first two picks. 647 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: That's your second round pick. Originally you sent for the 648 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: DK met for DK Metcalf, that's your second round pick. Yeah, 649 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 2: y is a bonus pick. 650 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 3: I mean, Higgins being there probably been my I graded player. Yeah, 651 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 3: but you know in that instance, maybe somebody would have 652 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 3: given you something good for Higgins, right, don't you know? 653 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 2: All Right, so we're now down to eighty three and 654 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 2: the player is still available. Ty Robinson probably don't want 655 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 2: to do both those, but I like both of them. 656 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: Josh Farmer, maybe Dean Walker, No, No, CJ. Westward I'm 657 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: just looking at the defensive tag right now. 658 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 3: CJ. 659 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: West, Jordan Phillips, Jamari Caldwell, JJ Pegeese. 660 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 3: Oh, we both consensus. I'm not one hunderdercent sure, but 661 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 3: several times in the last couple of weeks we have 662 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 3: taken Caldwell over Farmer. Yeah, and I would have said 663 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 3: a month ago we would have taken Farmer over Caldwell. 664 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 2: Coldball's more nosy, I know, yeah. 665 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: Rounder, Yeah, I think I have called well ahead of them. 666 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: Here's a little curveball to throw at you. 667 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 3: But we don't have to go back to back. 668 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: Top player available right now, Jaylen Milroe. I like that 669 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: at eighty three. Do we think that's realistic? 670 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 3: Probably not. Let's not do it. I don't think he 671 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 3: gets out of the second round. 672 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 2: Okay, So the other players still available then, Marcus and 673 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: bow Barrett Carter. These are in their rankings. Emrie Jones 674 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 2: the offensive tackle out of LSU, Chris Paul the linebacker 675 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 2: from Ole, Miss, Tyler Schuck, quarterback from Louisville. Latham Ransom, 676 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: safety from Ohio State, Jacob Parrish the cornerback from Kansas State. 677 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 2: Ashton Jillette, edge rusher from Louisville. Kyle Cannard, the edge 678 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 2: from South Carolina, Cameron Williams, the offensive tackle from Texas. 679 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 2: DJ Giddens, the running back from k State. See, that's 680 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 2: the argument that I have for taking Omary and Hampton 681 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 2: or Travon Henderson in the first round. 682 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 3: If that I don't love like Giddons. 683 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the running backs that you're going to have available 684 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 2: in the third round, if you go from twenty one 685 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: to eighty three, well, there's a chance that a lot 686 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 2: of peop. Yeah, these guys might be good, But I 687 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 2: know these other guys are gonna be good, Like I 688 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 2: have a pretty good The bust rate is much lower 689 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 2: that way. Hhmm, I'm just looking at Charles Grant is there? Uh, well, 690 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 2: Howard is there? No Williams is there. 691 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I'd consider Shock, I'd consider Noel Williams. I'd 692 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 3: consider my bow and a nose. There's a bunch of 693 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 3: noses still avail. 694 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 4: Now. 695 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 3: I'm thinking we can wait, I think we can Hmmm. 696 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 3: I think my bow's your starting left guard next year, 697 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 3: and a good one. Yeah, and maybe a tackle fits 698 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 3: a scheme. Really good mover. Noel Williams is a good 699 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 3: player too. 700 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: I think you're take him Bow. I don't think you 701 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: ignore the offensive line in this draft. Yes, all right, Bow, 702 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 2: It is okay, and we are now cruising down. We 703 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 2: have our next pick here at one twenty three. Thus 704 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 2: far we have gotten Omari and Hampton, Shamar, Turner, Marcus 705 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 2: and Bauk, So we filled running back, defensive tackle, offensive 706 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 2: wish yeah, guard tackle, whatever it may be we got. 707 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: We've got three picks left, one twenty three, one fifty six, 708 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 2: one eight five. 709 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 3: Is Noel Williams or one of the noses. 710 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 2: Still sitting there now we almost have to go there. 711 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 3: The nose is going to be take the president. 712 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're cruising down here to it, and we are 713 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 2: up and the nose tackles still available. They ain't get 714 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 2: touched really, which I could kind of see. 715 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 3: Right, and they're not. Everyone's in the market forum, right. 716 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh Farmer, Jordan Phillips, Jamari Callball, JJ Pageese all 717 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 2: still there. 718 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 3: Maybe between Farmer and Caldwell for me and neither be fine. 719 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 2: That's a that's a tough call, it is. That's a 720 00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,720 Speaker 2: tough call. 721 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 3: Of Farmer's length. I think he's really strong, but Caldwell's 722 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 3: really active and a little more nosier, you know. 723 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they brought both guys in. 724 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 3: I bet they both. They like them both. 725 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, hmmmm mm, that's tough. That is a tough call. 726 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 3: I don't think there's a wrong one. 727 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 2: I don't think there is either. 728 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 3: I think that. 729 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 2: I mean that's I would again, you'd have to get 730 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 2: these guys in a room and sit them down to 731 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 2: talk to them, and. 732 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 3: I mean we don't have that advantage. To me, that's 733 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 3: a true coin flip too, Like they're both fine and 734 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 3: you get that in the fourth round. 735 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Mmm, I think I think Caldwell is more nosy. 736 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 2: I think you go with Caldwell since you since you 737 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 2: already got your end. 738 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 3: Okay, I think Farmer can do all the above. 739 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, I do too, But I want a true nose. 740 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 2: If I'm gonna if I'm gonna go for a nose, 741 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 2: I want a true nose. No, he is Yeah, Farmer 742 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 2: to me is more Keanu Benton. Yeah, like yeah, where 743 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 2: he can play nos but he also might be might 744 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: be better. 745 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's the same anchor, you know. 746 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he has longer arms, longer arms, right, Yeah, all right, 747 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,439 Speaker 2: we got two picks left, one fifty six and one 748 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 2: eighty five. 749 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 3: Corner wouldn't break my heart. 750 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 2: Corner wouldn't break my heart. Probably want to take a 751 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,760 Speaker 2: quarterback with one of these picks. Maybe, Yeah, if somebody 752 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 2: presents themselves, we're up top players available. Dante Thornton, wide 753 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 2: receiver out of Tennessee. Somebody asked him, he's intriguing to 754 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 2: me too. Somebody asked me about him today on the 755 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 2: on yesterday's show on the message board, and I said, look, 756 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 2: he They said, isn't he like Martavis Bryant? Like, yeah, 757 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 2: he's Martavis Bryanton that he can run deep, but he's 758 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 2: not built like Martavis Bryant was. Mart Davis Bryant was thick. 759 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 3: Martas Bryant was a free Yeah, I mean he was. 760 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 3: He blew me away with how gumby issue was and 761 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 3: how well he bent. That's not a fair comparison. That 762 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 3: doesn't mean they both run fast. 763 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 2: They're tall, right, but Dante Thornton's one hundred and eighty 764 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 2: five pounds in six or four change pencil thin. I 765 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: think he's gonna have trouble getting off press coverage, and 766 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 2: I think. 767 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 3: He needs a year, especially coming ont of that weird offense. 768 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: And they said well, could he be a replacement for 769 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 2: George Pickens. Yes, he would be one of three guys 770 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 2: that would have to replace George Pickens. 771 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he might be your number three someday, you know. Yeah, 772 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 3: he's not George Pickens. Yeah. 773 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 2: Danny Stutsman the linebacker out of Oklahoma. Aronde Gadson, the 774 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 2: tight end from Syracuse. Jalen Travis, the offensive tackle from Iowa. 775 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 2: H savi On Jones, he had Drus rusher from LSU. 776 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 2: Johnny Cornelius, offensive tackle from Oregon. Riley Mills the defensive 777 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 2: tackle from Notre Dame. Dylan Gabriel the quarterback from Oregon. 778 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 2: Doesn't do it for me. Thomas Fadona the tight end 779 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 2: from Nebraska. Cal mcgonagay Mononagae running back from Rutgers. It's 780 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 2: a little picked up over here. I'm cal McCord is 781 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 2: still there. Josh Gray the guard, but we already took 782 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:05,479 Speaker 2: a guard. 783 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 3: McCord would be fine, But what corners are available? Usually 784 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 3: this is a pretty nice area for us. 785 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they saw Frasier, Upton Stout, Jalen Smith. It's pretty well. 786 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 3: Picked Oh yeah, ZOFH. Fraser is kind of interesting. You 787 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 3: want to go m a Cord. 788 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, so Dylan Gabriel, calm Accord, Curtis Work, 789 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 2: Max Brosberg, Brady Cook. The quarterbacks have gotten pretty well 790 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: picked over. I think I get quarterback here. 791 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fine with it. I was hoping somebody would 792 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 3: blow our doors off at a different position. 793 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 2: It didn't happen there. 794 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 3: Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. 795 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we got one pick left here at one 796 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 2: eighty five, and this is what we gain from, not from. 797 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have the late throwaway type pick. Yeah, 798 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,760 Speaker 3: there should be something quality. 799 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 2: There should be somebody here that we think is either developmental. 800 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 3: I mean, something that's like pretty much guaranteed a roster spot. Yeah, 801 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 3: you know you're happy to have him, you know. All right, 802 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 3: So we are up here at one eighty five. The 803 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 3: players available, Riley Mills from Notre Dame, the defensive tackle 804 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 3: the Jalen Lane, the wide receiver from Virginia Tech. That's intriguing. 805 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack Kaiser, linebacker from Notre Dame. Simeon Barrow defensive 806 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 2: tackle from Miami, Brishard Smith, the running back from SMU 807 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 2: Anias Peebles defensive tackle from Virginia Tech, Jamon Dumas Johnson, 808 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 2: the linebacker from Kentucky, Kitan Crawford, safety from Nevada. Mitchell 809 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 2: Evans tight end Notre Dame. 810 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 3: I kind of like him. 811 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,720 Speaker 2: I like him, Yeah, saw Frasier still there. 812 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 3: I like Evans, I like Fraser, and I like Lane 813 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 3: the receiver. 814 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, those three are they. 815 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 3: Were all intriguing picks. Ferguson can block. I mean he's 816 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,439 Speaker 3: a typical Notre Dame. He can block. He's he's never Evans. Yeah. Evans, yeah, 817 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 3: him and Ferguson. 818 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 2: But he'll be a guy that sticks in the league 819 00:44:59,360 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 2: for ten years. 820 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 4: Yeah. 821 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 3: If that's your third tight end, I think you're in 822 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 3: really good shape. Yeah, but I don't know if we can. 823 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 2: Take that over zaf Fraser though. Over the traits, that's 824 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 2: a tough one. The RAS score nine point three six strong. 825 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 2: It's a strong, strong RAS score, whereas Evans is seven 826 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 2: point twenty five Jalen Lane is nine point nine point 827 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 2: five six he is. 828 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 3: They're both big time and I know why you bring 829 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 3: that up. I mean, especially with these late picks the 830 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 3: last two years, they have taken shots on athleticism and 831 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 3: I love that approach. My only problem with Lane is 832 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 3: he's five to nine oh yeah, I know he's tiny. 833 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 3: That's my problem too, is he's a little redundant with 834 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 3: Austin and Wilson. He's explosive though, and he's a heck 835 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 3: of an athlete. I think it takes Fraser. 836 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 2: I think you take Fraser zoff Frasier cornerback utsa. 837 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,360 Speaker 3: If he can turn into a long man coverage corner, 838 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 3: if it's two years from now that if. 839 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 2: He turns into a gunner, if he displaces James Pierre, great, 840 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 2: if he's guys Trice, it's almost worth it. Yeah, right, yeah, 841 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 2: you give me a lot of those. You know, we're 842 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 2: talking about a six round pick here. So what we 843 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,720 Speaker 2: came out of this with was one trade back to thirty. 844 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if they want to go to thirty 845 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 2: or not, but they we did in this block draft. 846 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 3: I didn't love that the Bills came up for a dtackle. 847 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 2: No, I didn't love that either, But we got Amar 848 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 2: and Hampton at thirty. At sixty two, which we took 849 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 2: instead of taking fifty six, which was nearest initially offering. 850 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 2: We got Shamar Turner, the defensive tackle out of Texas 851 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 2: A and m he'll play end for us. 852 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very happy. 853 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 2: At eighty three, we got Marcus Abau, the offensive guard 854 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 2: aligneman from Purdue. At one twenty three, Jamari Calbwell, defensive 855 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 2: tackle from Oregon, at one fifty six, Cal McCord quarterback 856 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 2: at A Syracuse, and at one eighty five Zaf Frasier, 857 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,879 Speaker 2: the cornerback from UTSA. Just to show you the difference here, 858 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 2: the pick at two twenty nine, if we'd have stayed there, 859 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 2: ended up being let's see your worst. Two twenty nine 860 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 2: ended up being yep, skipped the skipped on me. There 861 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 2: it's round seven, picked two twenty nine the Bills took 862 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 2: Where are they at? Yeah they are Isais Waxter, cornerback 863 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,320 Speaker 2: out of Villanova. 864 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 3: First I've heard him. Yeah, Yeah, that's what you look. 865 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 3: That kind of suffs a big deal. Yeah, I talk 866 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 3: about all the time. Omar has a great history of 867 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 3: these two years, of almost every trade he's made, there's 868 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 3: a late round pick swap that helps the Steelers. 869 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to go back as far. You 870 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 2: keep staying that right right as best as you can 871 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 2: do in terms of in that particular draft. 872 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 3: Especially during the COVID drafts, the seventh round was a 873 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 3: real throw away time yeah, it's getting better now. 874 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 2: This one's not as bad. This is really the last 875 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 2: like COVID COVID year, and so it's a deeper draft. 876 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 2: All the guys that stayed in school are now coming 877 00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 2: out and that's why this. 878 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 3: There was a couple of drafts or once you get 879 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 3: past the fifth round us. 880 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 2: There's gonna be some good udfas this year. I think, oh, 881 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 2: running back, running backs, Maybe find a defensive tackle that 882 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 2: no one find, like a tight end that's useful. You know, 883 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 2: it's pretty deep. That's Russia that Yeah, I took one already. 884 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 2: I can't find a spot for this guy. 885 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:18,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 886 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but not bad, No, not bad, not maybe my 887 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 2: favorite home. 888 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 3: I would say I would go fish. I would rather 889 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 3: see how it plays out these next three days. But 890 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. 891 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 2: I will say this, so if if if we hadn't moved, 892 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 2: if we had just stayed where we were at, and 893 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 2: you took Amari and Hampton at twenty one, Chamar Turner 894 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 2: at eighty three, mm, Marcus Abou with your fourth round pick, 895 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Jamari Cobo with your fifth round pick. Uh, 896 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 2: Kyle McCord and zaf Frasier with your six and seventh 897 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 2: been really happy with that. 898 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 3: Right now, I hear you. If we were stuck, we 899 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 3: probably would have taken Harmon or Nolan, yeah, you know. 900 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 2: And then but then when I've settled at running back 901 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 2: or yeah, whatever, we'd end up with DJ Giddons probably 902 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,760 Speaker 2: for someone of that probably, yeah, not picking again. 903 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 3: To eighty three. Yeah, I don't think Johnson. 904 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 2: Gets eighty three. I don't think he does either, which 905 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 2: is a big line there. 906 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. 907 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think there's a lot of good 908 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 2: backs in this draft, but I do think there is 909 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 2: a line there right between those guys. 910 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 3: And if I don't get those above the line, the 911 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 3: Johnson and Ohio State dudes, I might take two. Yeah, 912 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 3: I'm if I'm ahead of. 913 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 2: Them, make sure I get one right, right right. Somebody 914 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 2: that's going to contribute so anyways, might. 915 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 3: Be one to seventh round, or it might be a 916 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 3: text attack kid or something. Yeah, somebody that shouldn't still 917 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 3: be there. 918 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 2: Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. 919 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly. You're speak listening to the drive 920 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 2: here on the Steelers audio networking. Of course you'll be 921 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 2: able to hear Matt and I over the course of 922 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 2: the weekend throughout the draft. 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He'll be part of the 933 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,240 Speaker 2: Draft Extravaganza show that we put together. 934 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 3: We got a lot going on. 935 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 2: We got a lot going on, and you know, leave 936 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 2: us your comments on there, give us a thumbs up. 937 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,839 Speaker 2: We appreciate that. But we'll be back to finish up 938 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 2: the show right after this. 939 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 3: At least. 940 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 941 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and 942 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio. 943 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 2: They get the drums in there. Welcome back. I am 944 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt when 945 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,720 Speaker 2: we come back on Monday. Yeah, regular drive time, regular 946 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 2: draft time. We're back on Monday. What do you expect 947 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 2: the Steelers to have accomplished this weekend? 948 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,120 Speaker 3: Well, I do think Steelers aside. I think this first 949 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 3: round is going to be chaotic and wild, especially the 950 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,840 Speaker 3: second half. I think there could be a lot of 951 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,760 Speaker 3: trades late and maybe including the Steelers, quite possibly including 952 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,319 Speaker 3: the Steelers, and maybe in I'm gonna go crazy. I 953 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 3: bet they make two draft day trades, maybe a trade back, 954 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,160 Speaker 3: and at some point you use a future pick to 955 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 3: move up at some point maybe you know, I can't 956 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,320 Speaker 3: believe that guy's there. You move up ten spots in 957 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,120 Speaker 3: the fourth round, and I cost you a sixth next 958 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,280 Speaker 3: year or fifth next year. You know, I could see 959 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,240 Speaker 3: not looking like a lot of the marks we've done 960 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 3: because you're not picking in the spot. 961 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 2: In those spots. 962 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. 963 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 2: I do think, and well, just because it's what we've done, 964 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 2: I think he come out of this draft with two 965 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 2: defensive line that would be great, a running back, and 966 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,720 Speaker 2: then everything after that is kind of gravyous. Those things 967 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 2: have to. 968 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,839 Speaker 3: Happen a d lineman and a running back. 969 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 2: I think defensive linemen would be a running back. 970 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 3: I know that they've signed some people that aren't household names. Fine, 971 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 3: but you need to get younger. That to me, younger 972 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 3: and more talented Isaya louder Milk with all respect doesn't 973 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,320 Speaker 3: move the needle to do they sign for the Patriots 974 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 3: doesn't move the needle. That's fine, that's step through camp 975 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 3: and maybe somebody stands out. But in a D line 976 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 3: rich draft, that is my number one priority is attack 977 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 3: of D line. Yeah, and the running back will happen. 978 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 2: And it's kind of a carryover of what they have 979 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 2: done in the last two drafts in which Omar Khan 980 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 2: and Andy Widhell have been setting the board and all 981 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 2: that stuff. They've taken five offensive linemen in the last two. 982 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 3: Years, right, I mean. 983 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 2: Year, and they took three last year, three in the 984 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,439 Speaker 2: first four rounds last year. 985 00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 4: Oh. 986 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 3: They're intentions are very clear, and their plan is very clear. 987 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 3: It's a it's just wasn't created overnight. It's a three year, 988 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 3: four year plan to really get this roster sort of 989 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 3: looking like the Eagles. You know what you're looking for here. 990 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 2: And I don't think, regardless of what some of the 991 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,920 Speaker 2: fans feel out there, I don't believe this roster is 992 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,640 Speaker 2: has as many holes on it as I don't either 993 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 2: as some would lead you to believe. I think it's 994 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 2: a pretty solid roster. But the two holes are at 995 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 2: defensive line and at running backs. Yeah, I mean really 996 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 2: running backs, not even a real whole hole, because you've 997 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 2: got to quality and right. 998 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you really start looking at the depth chart 999 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 3: of you know what, where could you put bodies to 1000 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,120 Speaker 3: truly help? I mean, yes, you could upgrade anywhere. I mean, 1001 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 3: but you're not going to get drel Reeves and put 1002 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 3: them over play. I mean, like, and you're realistic, who's 1003 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 3: my fifty three when it's all said and done, et cetera. 1004 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 3: There's not as many spots as thin and I don't 1005 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,279 Speaker 3: think they need to make ten picks. Yeah, I mean 1006 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,399 Speaker 3: kind of quality over quantity, but too, d Lineman would 1007 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 3: be a nice quantity. 1008 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,760 Speaker 2: I think that's been like in all the mock drafts 1009 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 2: that we've done. If there's a prevailing sentiment or prevailing 1010 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 2: idea through throughout the whole thing is that. I do 1011 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 2: think that again, quality over quantity is the is the 1012 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 2: biggest thing. Yes, there's been some mock drafts where we 1013 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 2: all right, let's we're going to acquire some extra picks here. 1014 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:28,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1015 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you start looking at it and going, Okay, 1016 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 2: how many of these guys are actually going to make 1017 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 2: the team? 1018 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and how can they? What's their path to helping? 1019 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,080 Speaker 2: And having all those picks is nice, it is, and 1020 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,440 Speaker 2: it's fun for mock drafts, but in reality you probably 1021 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,920 Speaker 2: don't have that many roster spots. 1022 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 3: Sometimes you get down the end and be like, I 1023 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,319 Speaker 3: guess we'll take a safety because he helps on special teams. Yeah, 1024 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 3: five safeties are probably to make the team, you know, right, 1025 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 3: I mean, like, how does that really work? Yeah? 1026 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 2: And you know, I still believe that Aaron Rodgers is 1027 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 2: very much in play here in Pittsburgh. I think he's 1028 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,800 Speaker 2: going to play football in twenty twenty five, and I 1029 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,640 Speaker 2: think it's going to be for the Pittsburgh Steelers. 1030 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 3: I lean that way too. And maybe when we're down there, 1031 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 3: it'll kind of just be everyone just assumes it. Who knows. 1032 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,200 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, having been down there, right right right, 1033 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,800 Speaker 2: there's a prevailing sentimentally that's going to happen. So, you know, 1034 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 2: people guessing about this stuff, and you know, the national 1035 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,960 Speaker 2: you know, they're they're not guessing on what they think 1036 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is going to do, right, they've been in 1037 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,279 Speaker 2: constant contact with Aaron Rodgers. They have a really good 1038 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,359 Speaker 2: feeling that Aaron Rodgers is going to sign. I don't 1039 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 2: care what he said on the McAfee show. I don't 1040 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,479 Speaker 2: care what somebody said who talked to him once five 1041 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 2: years ago on a sideline somewhere, doesn't matter to me. 1042 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,840 Speaker 2: That's a guess from them. People are trying to interpret 1043 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,560 Speaker 2: what Aaron Rodgers said. They've talked to him directly, and 1044 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 2: they're interpreting their conversations to say that he's going to 1045 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 2: play football this season, and he's going to do it 1046 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 2: in a Pittsburgh Steelers uniform. 1047 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 3: They're not hoping in prey. No, oh boy, I hope 1048 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,759 Speaker 3: Aaron says yes. I mean no, I mean they think 1049 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,759 Speaker 3: he's going to say yes, right, and they're gonna get 1050 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 3: this thing done. 1051 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,279 Speaker 2: I assume he's told them, hey, yeah, I'm gonna do 1052 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,720 Speaker 2: We're gonna do something here once I get my stuff 1053 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 2: taken care of here in my personal life is that 1054 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,399 Speaker 2: rights not under contract with anybody, right right. 1055 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 3: He can do whatever he wants, absolutely, but. 1056 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,879 Speaker 2: We shall see. 1057 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,759 Speaker 3: We return when the drive returns, We're gonna be see 1058 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 3: each other a lot. But when the driver returns, let's go. 1059 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 2: We will start breaking down these newest Steelers and have 1060 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,759 Speaker 2: fun doing all that. What the roster then looks like plenty. 1061 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 3: Of stuff to get to agent, all kinds of stuff, right. 1062 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,399 Speaker 2: And then next thing you know, ota start to kick 1063 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,960 Speaker 2: off here and all the fun starts. 1064 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 3: And I do think across the league, maybe even as 1065 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 3: soon as next week, some more free agents will start signing. 1066 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:41,160 Speaker 3: Oh they'll be. 1067 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,040 Speaker 2: They'll be free agent signings maybe starting Sunday, maybe even. 1068 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 3: Saturday night Sunday. And yeah, some guys maybe JK. Dobbins 1069 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,960 Speaker 3: or somebody goes to a team or whatever. 1070 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 4: You know. 1071 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 2: I think, if I remember correctly, I think the Steelers 1072 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,759 Speaker 2: signed Demonte k Z Saturday the draft wrapped up and 1073 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,400 Speaker 2: we've we've signed Damante k Z. Oh they didn't get 1074 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,720 Speaker 2: a safety in the draft, so they went safety. Yeah, 1075 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:08,440 Speaker 2: that's the way that works anyways. For my partner Matt Williamson, 1076 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,280 Speaker 2: for Justin Miller here on site running the Justin Miller 1077 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,000 Speaker 2: hotline and helping us make our first round pick. There 1078 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,680 Speaker 2: getting up Bab Labriola today for Tyler Viittmeyer making sure 1079 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,640 Speaker 2: our video gets out there on the YouTube. Give us 1080 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 2: a thumbs up. On that leave us your comments. I 1081 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 2: am Dale, Lolly. We thank you for listening to this 1082 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 2: edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.