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Speaker 1: were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. Well, that is not the lineup here today
Speaker 1: for the break, but that's okay. I'm Nick Eatman, David Hellman.
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand Back is in filling in with us today.
Speaker 1: As he is, he skates his way in from the
Speaker 1: ice here. Dave looks like he's ready to go. I
Speaker 1: thought the Olympics was over. No, we got we got
Speaker 1: skiing skating going on. We don't talk weather on this show,
Speaker 1: but yeah, definitely whether it's happening here in North Texas
Speaker 1: and when that happens, everyone freaks out. But sorry, if
Speaker 1: you were in the Winter Olympics, what would you do? Zero?
Speaker 1: I mean like, I was just telling someone this the
Speaker 1: other day. This sounds like a setup, but it's not.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't relate to this because I
Speaker 1: have done zero things in the Olympics. Everybody is shot
Speaker 1: a basket run, maybe thrown a javelin, done a high jump,
Speaker 1: done something, No one not. I have never done anything
Speaker 1: in the Winter Olympics, not one thing. I've gone ice skating,
Speaker 1: like maybe twice. And when I say ice skating, I
Speaker 1: really mean just sort of like dancing around trying not
Speaker 1: to fall in the in the in the mall. I'll think,
Speaker 1: at the gallery or something. What's the name of one sport? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could do that. I want to do I want
Speaker 1: to try corn. I wouldn't be good at it. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you get to play little defense and all that
Speaker 1: same thing. It's the only it's got to be the
Speaker 1: only Olympic sport where it's normal to drink while you
Speaker 1: play it. Like that's a thing you see some of
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I came straight from
Speaker 1: I could do that. I'd like there to be like
Speaker 1: a curling lodge here in Dallas. I would go. I
Speaker 1: would definitely go. I'll join you. I mean again, that's
Speaker 1: why I don't really relate well to it, because it's
Speaker 1: just just like, oh, I could do that. I couldn't
Speaker 1: mean I could lie on my back and slide down ice.
Speaker 1: But I would probably fall off or what. I don't
Speaker 1: know what your score would be on that, it probably
Speaker 1: would be good. So all right, let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: really what I was gonna say, this is what we
Speaker 1: do in our show. I joined your show the other day,
Speaker 1: y'all were doing like chips and dips and all this
Speaker 1: really crazy stuff. What we do on this, Joe, and
Speaker 1: we sort of already has we go around really quickly.
Speaker 1: What's a sports story. Doesn't have to be to be Cowboy,
Speaker 1: would be the NFL, it could be anything that's kind
Speaker 1: of on your mind right now. I'll start with you,
Speaker 1: Dave and get you a chance to think about it.
Speaker 1: You got any I'm bummed that Derek's not here because
Speaker 1: from the time we were arguing about it on Twitter,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm gonna take this to the
Speaker 1: show because I want to argue with him about the
Speaker 1: college football Playoff. Well, him and I seem to be
Speaker 1: on the same side. True, we can argue about it
Speaker 1: if you want to. I just the the committee had
Speaker 1: like announced over the weekend that they're not going to
Speaker 1: expand the college football playoff until twenty twenty six at
Speaker 1: the earliest. And I want to be clear I'm fine
Speaker 1: with a bigger playoff, like more football is fun for everybody.
Speaker 1: I just don't. I think it's completely unnecessary. I think
Speaker 1: we've learned over the last seven years that in any
Speaker 1: given year, there's like three teams that are good enough
Speaker 1: to win the national title, sometimes four, but beyond that,
Speaker 1: everybody else is just on a different level. And I
Speaker 1: don't see why we need a bigger field to prove that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you do? You agree? I do? You played college football?
Speaker 1: You tell me, yeah, so much. The times have changed,
Speaker 1: the times have changed so much. But I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think you pretty much know who the top dogs
Speaker 1: are and I don't think that you needn't necessarily add
Speaker 1: to that. I just think we're setting ourselves up for
Speaker 1: more ass whippings. Basically. I mean it's like, cool, um,
Speaker 1: what like so nine and three, nine and three Iowa
Speaker 1: State gets in as like the twelve seed, and maybe
Speaker 1: you play like a great game in the first round
Speaker 1: against the four seed or whatever, and then you get
Speaker 1: your ass kicked. It's like, Okay, I guess this was
Speaker 1: more dramatic for the teams that made it in until
Speaker 1: they had to play the elite teams. I just don't
Speaker 1: see why it's necessary. Yeah, I don't know. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to seeing how the whole transfer portal and you know,
Speaker 1: players getting paid now and all these contracts. That's gonna
Speaker 1: really affect the competition this year. Yeah, that's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be I think it's gonna still be the
Speaker 1: same because the teams that are good, or of the
Speaker 1: big schools that have the money, and they're the ones
Speaker 1: that are going to pay the most. Probably, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I argued with you a little bit on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's about the playoffs. I think
Speaker 1: it's about the month ahead of time. I've heard people
Speaker 1: say it waters down if you if you make more teams,
Speaker 1: it waters down the regular season, which I just disagree.
Speaker 1: I think it makes it more compelling November game games.
Speaker 1: I think you've got number seventeen versus number of fourteen.
Speaker 1: Now they're playing for something as opposed to maybe some
Speaker 1: trophy or something like that, like on that Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 1: I actually did the math a little bit on this,
Speaker 1: which doesn't happen a lot, but I did some math,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's weird that in the NBA
Speaker 1: sixty six percent of the teams make the playoffs. In
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, I think thirty percent make the playoffs
Speaker 1: in the NFL, forty three percent in hockey. I think
Speaker 1: it's fifty five percent in college basketball. I haven't done
Speaker 1: the math sixty eight versus three thirty something, but college
Speaker 1: football is zero zero three percent make the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: I just think, I don't think these other regular seasons
Speaker 1: are that bad. And the NBA is like whatever, but
Speaker 1: sixty six percent make it. But in the NFL thirty
Speaker 1: I mean what, forty three percent of the teams make
Speaker 1: it and it's still pretty good regular season. So I
Speaker 1: just think there's room if it's zero zero three percent
Speaker 1: of the college to increased. I hear you, and I mean,
Speaker 1: you're right. I think you would probably make November a
Speaker 1: little bit more dramatic. But if like I guess that's
Speaker 1: my point, It's like it feels gimmicky, like if numbers
Speaker 1: number seventeens play a number fourteen for the right to
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs and get mauled. I just get
Speaker 1: destroyed by the teams that actually belong there reason why
Speaker 1: it's not happening, and they're delaying it is they haven't
Speaker 1: figured out what to do with their precious Bowl games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. These these old guys want to see
Speaker 1: the bowl games and what happens? What do you do
Speaker 1: with all these bowl games? And I think that's seventy
Speaker 1: percent of these Bowl games have to be losing money, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they have to be losing money. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: no disrespect to any of the bowl games. I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people, a lot of money behind
Speaker 1: these things, but some of the ones that are even
Speaker 1: here in Dallas, like, yeah, you don't go. They're like
Speaker 1: giving tickets away. Yeah you don't. You don't go if
Speaker 1: you live in the area. You don't if you live
Speaker 1: in if you live in like Birmingham, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: the Music City Bowl or something. I don't think you
Speaker 1: just go just because Minnesota is taken on South Carolina.
Speaker 1: I don't think you go. I will that is. I
Speaker 1: think the one benefit of expanding the playoffs is it
Speaker 1: would create more meaningful games, which keeps teams invested instead
Speaker 1: of it's like, oh, we lost that third game, so
Speaker 1: I'm sitting out to start training for the draft, which
Speaker 1: I support anybody that wants to do that. But I
Speaker 1: mean I would be in favor. I'm in favor of
Speaker 1: more games. I guess where people want to play and
Speaker 1: if that gets it done, that's fine. And again, like
Speaker 1: I'm not anti expansion. I just again, we've done seven
Speaker 1: of these I think at this point, and the semifinals
Speaker 1: have been laughable most of those years. Like there have
Speaker 1: probably been three really great semifinals. Oh you and Georgia
Speaker 1: played a classic one year. Obviously, Ohio State won the
Speaker 1: first one as a four seed, So like I get it.
Speaker 1: But by and large, like I said, there's like two
Speaker 1: sometimes three teams and it's always been that way. By
Speaker 1: the way, that was the problem with the BCS is
Speaker 1: every few years there would be a third team that
Speaker 1: gets screwed. But from what we've seen to this point,
Speaker 1: I just I don't think we're seeing anybody get screwed.
Speaker 1: Like there is not a team in the playoff era
Speaker 1: where I'm just like they might they might have won
Speaker 1: if you'd let him in, Like, no, the right team
Speaker 1: won won this thing. Like that's just how I feel.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk let's talk cowboys, because that's cutting
Speaker 1: an I'm just here all I can think, which I
Speaker 1: like bantering about other things. And I know there are
Speaker 1: people that like it, but I just whenever we go
Speaker 1: off into the weeds, I just picture the guy that's
Speaker 1: just like screaming at his car stereo, like talk about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But yet when it comes to Twitter, I've
Speaker 1: never gotten anybody say, y'all don't talk about that. I
Speaker 1: get more people that say, you know, I agree about this,
Speaker 1: or I agree with Dave or whatever. You know, I
Speaker 1: know everyone everyone's got got this thing press the You know,
Speaker 1: you can skip ahead fifteen seconds, just skip to like
Speaker 1: the eighth minute of the show if you don't like it.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna kind of reset things because when
Speaker 1: we have people on here that are different, you want
Speaker 1: to see what they think about big news, big stuff.
Speaker 1: So before we get going on all these other free agents,
Speaker 1: David and I had we don't agree on everything, but
Speaker 1: we have been. We've been agreeing a lot more recently,
Speaker 1: but we definitely, like stand on the table, agree on
Speaker 1: this one. And I want to see where you Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: What is your take on him and his future? What
Speaker 1: would you do if you were playing Cowboys gam Cowboys, GYM,
Speaker 1: keep them, keep him because you have a hell of
Speaker 1: a player that you're choosing to not utilize. It's not
Speaker 1: that he's getting paid all this money and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Oh well, I don't know if he's if
Speaker 1: he's really worth it anymore. No, the conversation is we're
Speaker 1: not using him to the amount that we're paying him.
Speaker 1: So now people are like, oh, let's get rid of them. Like, no,
Speaker 1: that's a you problem. That's that's that's a coordinator problem.
Speaker 1: That's a team problem, and figure that out. Get him
Speaker 1: the ball, because these other teams are getting their guy
Speaker 1: the ball, right, Amaria, is Dallas's receiver? Yes, that's their
Speaker 1: stat wise, not number one, right, but supposedly that's your
Speaker 1: number one. Capability wise, that's your number one, and for
Speaker 1: the most part healthwise, he's still in position to be
Speaker 1: your number one. Right, So there's nothing that's stopping him
Speaker 1: from being your number one. All right, break it, break
Speaker 1: it down. You've played receiver and quarterback position. Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it? Amari Cooper? Is it is? If you'll laugh
Speaker 1: if you knew the quarterback almost name? Is it? Dak
Speaker 1: Is it? Kellen Moore? Like? Yeah, what why is Davantae
Speaker 1: Adams getting these targets in Cooper Cumming? Why but break
Speaker 1: it down. Why I've been standing on the table and saying,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, that's been me. The reason being because you
Speaker 1: can scheme your way to get your guy the ball.
Speaker 1: Think about the time, what I don't remember what week,
Speaker 1: it was, maybe fourteen or something like that, when a
Speaker 1: Mari Cooper Cooper, who's a very you know, docile, kind
Speaker 1: of quiet guy, goes about his business is the week
Speaker 1: of Christmas, he just he got he was tired of it.
Speaker 1: He was pissed. That was his way of yelling. That
Speaker 1: was his that was his you know, Odell Beckham yelling tillo,
Speaker 1: who ELPs you really want throwing that category? That was
Speaker 1: his version of it, right, Instead of going out there
Speaker 1: and becoming front page news, he was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't throw it and catch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's him yelling. You know, that's that's him.
Speaker 1: That's him pissed off, right because normally he keeps those
Speaker 1: things bottled up. So what happened that that next week
Speaker 1: he got like ten or eleven targets. Dude, I mean
Speaker 1: he got like six catches on the first drive. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: he got all those targets on the first drive. Along,
Speaker 1: so they force fed him the ball. So why is
Speaker 1: it that you can get him involved when he speaks out,
Speaker 1: but any other time. Oh, it's just you know, we
Speaker 1: kind of have to go with what the defense gives us.
Speaker 1: We gotta spread the ball around. We don't force feed
Speaker 1: people like there's no excuse because to your point, you know,
Speaker 1: as you start naming these other number one receivers, they
Speaker 1: all don't have a problem getting the ball. When you
Speaker 1: look at the Super Bowl, the last drive, who's gonna
Speaker 1: get the ball? Cooper Cup? Cooper Cup? Can you stop it? No?
Speaker 1: Eli could not, couldn't. I actually I haven't looked at this,
Speaker 1: which I knew it would be low, but I hadn't
Speaker 1: looked it up specifically. Amari Cooper ranked thirty eighth in
Speaker 1: targets among NFL pass catchers. That includes tight ends, That
Speaker 1: includes tight ends. But like and again, for the money,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, for the money, you're supposed to do this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. A few of the guys at
Speaker 1: the top of the list, like obviously DeAndre Hopkins missed
Speaker 1: a lot of the season. Julio Jones is in and
Speaker 1: out of the lineup all the time, But like Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen finished in the top twenty in targets, Tyree Hill
Speaker 1: finished seventh and targets. Tyler Lockett finished way above them
Speaker 1: in targets. Mike Evans like, all these guys are getting
Speaker 1: dozens more opportunities at the ball than Amari Cooper did
Speaker 1: this year. Where is Ceedee Lamb in that list? Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb is above Amar Actually, okay, that's what I want
Speaker 1: to know. Ceedee Lamb finished twenty fourth in the league
Speaker 1: in targets one hundred and twenty. I guarantee that Kelsey
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill are probably in there, But I want
Speaker 1: to know how many teammates are in the top forty.
Speaker 1: Good question, because that I mean, Davante Adams is the
Speaker 1: next guy in the Green Bay is not in there.
Speaker 1: So I see Kelsey and Hill are in there. Um.
Speaker 1: I see Marquis Brown and Mark Andrews are both in
Speaker 1: the top ten, which is amazing. Stefan Diggs and Cole Beasley. Um,
Speaker 1: So there's a good amount, yeah, especially when you take
Speaker 1: into the context that that was the only two receivers
Speaker 1: that I heard I heard tight end receivers I didn't hear.
Speaker 1: But you also take into a context of Deck was
Speaker 1: leading the league in passing yards right, and Dallas was
Speaker 1: total offense all that jet. So there's really there's noise.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. But there's no excuse for
Speaker 1: him not to get the ball. There's been no conversations
Speaker 1: about Amari's not getting open, Amari slow. You know, he's
Speaker 1: lost a step, his route runnings fell off. You haven't
Speaker 1: heard any negative connotations in regards to his abilities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's all coming back to what targets. Evans and
Speaker 1: Godwin both finished in the top thirty as well as
Speaker 1: did Um. Jamar Chase finished top Jamar Chase finished twenty
Speaker 1: and t Higgins was thirty one. So I mean, so
Speaker 1: it happens, it's doable. It happens. Okay, it's doable, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, and I agree. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: think I think it always comes down to kind of
Speaker 1: this sense of arrogance of we do what we do
Speaker 1: and stop us because if you want to take him away,
Speaker 1: I'll just throw it to Cedric Wilson and sometimes that works.
Speaker 1: But like I just I think there's got to be
Speaker 1: this this balance and we all were here or we
Speaker 1: we we definitely know that when Dak was younger, and
Speaker 1: then another wide receiver was chirping all the time about
Speaker 1: winning the ball, and then the next week it would
Speaker 1: just throw dads the ball and that didn't always work out.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not saying this is the same.
Speaker 1: It's just there's a middle balance of like there is,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what they haven't figured out just yet.
Speaker 1: But if you take out all the receivers, you just
Speaker 1: name right the number one receivers. If you take that,
Speaker 1: I'm out of it and just don't target them, pretty
Speaker 1: much like Dallas doesn't really target Amari. How successful all
Speaker 1: those teams, I'm sure they're not that I would assume not. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: right to argue against myself, which I love to do.
Speaker 1: Nobody makes me bleed my home blind. Right, Nice nice
Speaker 1: reference there. I mean, that'd be one thing if Amari
Speaker 1: didn't get the ball against the forty nine ers. But
Speaker 1: but CD got fourteen targets, but he got like one
Speaker 1: or two. Have CD disappeared from that game? He didn't
Speaker 1: get targeted until like the third quarter. And they weren't running,
Speaker 1: they weren't willing anything. What were doing they were It's losing.
Speaker 1: And that's why I always leaned back and say Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, you're in position to get your your resources. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your guys the ball. That is your job now underneath
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is Dak, right, Dak. Now from the guidance
Speaker 1: in a direction that you're given by your office a coordinator,
Speaker 1: is now your job to now facilitate and ensure that
Speaker 1: these guys get the ball based around whatever the defense
Speaker 1: is allowing you to, you know, to take advantage of.
Speaker 1: So it is a killing Moore and Dak Prescott thing.
Speaker 1: It can't just be a Dak Prescott thing. This is
Speaker 1: not This is not Cleveland and Baker Mayfield just hating
Speaker 1: on Odell Beckham. That's not that situation, right, This is hey,
Speaker 1: this your coordinator is just simply saying we'll get it
Speaker 1: to other guys. We're not going to force feed it.
Speaker 1: But in reality we're seeing you need to get cooped
Speaker 1: the ball. I'll put you on the spot. Can da
Speaker 1: make all the throws? No? Which throw? Can't you make?
Speaker 1: Dak's velocity. I've been saying this for the last year
Speaker 1: and a half, and even when when Andy two years
Speaker 1: almost when Andy Dalton got signed, I stood up and
Speaker 1: said any Dalton has a better arm than Dak and
Speaker 1: people lost it. Oh you gotta be kidding me. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about velocity. Yeah, I'm talking about velocity, and people
Speaker 1: were people Dack's not Mahomes or Stafford, which not at all.
Speaker 1: But which is it the fifteen yard out or what
Speaker 1: it's surprisingly if you go back and watch the film,
Speaker 1: it's not even just one particular route. If you watch
Speaker 1: his curls Lady's throwing the balls dying out, the ball
Speaker 1: should go through the target, you should. It should be
Speaker 1: on such a rope that if the receiver wasn't there,
Speaker 1: it should go all the way through the dog on
Speaker 1: sideline right. But instead you're seeing the balls even on
Speaker 1: swing routes, screen routes, balls dying out. The nose of
Speaker 1: the ball is literally diving towards the ground. And it's
Speaker 1: on so many of his throws. This was before the
Speaker 1: shoulder injury. This is after the shoulder injury. You can
Speaker 1: people can point their finger as oh, well he had
Speaker 1: this injury. It has nothing to do with that. He
Speaker 1: has to increase his velocity, whether that being core strength,
Speaker 1: with it that being his legs, whether it be in
Speaker 1: his arm. There's a whole lot of things that go
Speaker 1: into increase in velocity, but he has to work on
Speaker 1: that and it's just not there. Well, can you work
Speaker 1: on that absolutely absolutely pointness? Absolutely like it almost seems
Speaker 1: like you have it or you know, no, absolutely no,
Speaker 1: you could work on it. Okay, So that might be
Speaker 1: part of it. And then that's and that's your opinion,
Speaker 1: I bet you not. Everyone says that. If they do,
Speaker 1: they don't say it loudly. Um, so that could be
Speaker 1: a part of it too. The play is for Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper to do this. You go to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: You see, Okay, the coverage is gonna be a little different,
Speaker 1: So to get him the ball, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: different throw, I'm going Schultz. But but but again it
Speaker 1: goes back to Kellen Moore. If you're gonna keep putting,
Speaker 1: what was the issue when TiO was here? Right, I
Speaker 1: was on a roster, TiO was on the outside. You
Speaker 1: rolled to a certain coverage all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: either have to throw an amazing ball into a honey
Speaker 1: hoole or you just don't throw him the ball right?
Speaker 1: And then who who got the ball with right? Dumping
Speaker 1: off the wick he's inside all day. If that's the
Speaker 1: situation that you're facing, wouldn't you, as an officerve coordinator,
Speaker 1: then move Amari Cooper to the inside. Yeah, you would think.
Speaker 1: But they were drawing plays up in the dirt back then, right,
Speaker 1: that was okay, probably all right, fitting fittingly for that point.
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz finished with as many targets as Amari Cooper did.
Speaker 1: Yeah so he so they had three in the top forty. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: do that see who live on the air. Okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're about to take a break here, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: play a game of dominoes, really, and then I think
Speaker 1: that's the Marii Cooper decision is what starts it. And
Speaker 1: then they'll just got to go from there in terms
Speaker 1: of free agency, because that's what has to happen. You
Speaker 1: gotta figure out, you got to prioritize what you're gonna do,
Speaker 1: and then that kind of goes from there. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our first break. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: here to talk about some dominoes when we come back
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Speaker 1: because she gets revved up sometimes and raises the energy
Speaker 1: level a little bit. But like talking cowboys, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I could keep up, especially y'all go
Speaker 1: at like nine in the morning. I'm just like, dude,
Speaker 1: let me finish my coffee, like y'all a lot. I
Speaker 1: was at a Texas A and M football game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all these things are happening that you don't know. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden in the middle of the game, It's
Speaker 1: just like, wow, what was that? Like that's what we
Speaker 1: do on third and six? I'm like bachelor's degree to
Speaker 1: keep up with everything. So no, it's fine, all right.
Speaker 1: We were talking to Marii Cooper and we said that
Speaker 1: that to me, And I don't know if that's what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys think. I think it is. I think it's
Speaker 1: the first domino that you have to start. You have
Speaker 1: to figure out what you're gonna do with. Think the
Speaker 1: whole conversation for this team in twenty twenty two starts
Speaker 1: with him. And I know that they look at this
Speaker 1: globally across the team and probably the bigger contracts and
Speaker 1: so next on their priority list might be the defensive ends.
Speaker 1: But let's just let's just stick to offense for a second,
Speaker 1: because we all agree that Amari Cooper should be here.
Speaker 1: Do if that is the case and they decide to
Speaker 1: keep them, what do you do with Dalton Schultz? Are
Speaker 1: gonna go by? I think Dalton Schultz is and I
Speaker 1: we talked about this, like I think probably last week.
Speaker 1: It's it sounds glib, like I don't want to like,
Speaker 1: I think Dalton Schultz is a really good player. I
Speaker 1: think he's deserving of the payday that's coming his way.
Speaker 1: That not just like, oh, he's not good he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a future here. It's just like that's the reality
Speaker 1: of team building and on and like Dalton Schultz is perfect,
Speaker 1: like like he came on strong halfway through his contract,
Speaker 1: gave you two fantastic years. It's gonna get you at
Speaker 1: least a fourth round comp maybe a third depending on
Speaker 1: how much money he gets on the open market. And
Speaker 1: you just say, thanks man, we will replace that production
Speaker 1: in a cheaper way. We already have Blake Jarwin under
Speaker 1: contract for less money. Thank you for your service, Go
Speaker 1: get the bag. If Amari Cooper is not a part
Speaker 1: of this team and he's saving some money there, does
Speaker 1: that change your opinion one way or another on what
Speaker 1: on Schultz? Because I know I don't think I think
Speaker 1: Schultz will be less effective. Yeah, I mean, what does
Speaker 1: Schultz do that much better than Jarwin? I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean and I know I guess the
Speaker 1: one thing I can count on is, yeah, Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: is more durable. I mean Jarwin Jarwin had the Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had the big boy injury. He's had two big
Speaker 1: boy injuries. I mean he got hurt on Halloween and
Speaker 1: wasn't back until the end of the season. I mean
Speaker 1: he missed half of this year, and I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm probably the wrong person talking about it because I
Speaker 1: had my fair share of injuries, But you can't prevent
Speaker 1: those things, right, So so I mean, so it is
Speaker 1: like like I want to I hate criticizing the guy
Speaker 1: from I'm just so what you're saying, But I mean,
Speaker 1: but like, if it was up to Jarwin, obviously he'll
Speaker 1: be on the field. So I meant, production wise, when
Speaker 1: they are on the field, I don't see what Scholtz
Speaker 1: does that much better than Jarwin. I think Jarman was
Speaker 1: a more capable individual. Where I think Scholtz took advantage
Speaker 1: was when Jarwin went down, Scholtz put out a ton
Speaker 1: of effort. Right. He wasn't the best, he was not
Speaker 1: a great blocker, but he put forth a ton of
Speaker 1: effort at it, right, And then the second half of
Speaker 1: the season that disappeared somehow, some way, he didn't have
Speaker 1: that same energy towards blocking and he was less effective
Speaker 1: in that regard. Now, in terms of running five six
Speaker 1: yards turning around catch ball that's put on the right position,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, Jarman could do that too. I've never
Speaker 1: liked the idea of having both of them and definitely
Speaker 1: not having both of them at that price. I just
Speaker 1: think they're the same guy in terms of more of
Speaker 1: a pass catcher kind of lighting ass about when it
Speaker 1: comes to blocking, they'll get in the way and do it,
Speaker 1: but that's not I just think you got to have
Speaker 1: one of them and then another bigger locker type. I
Speaker 1: think they're the exact same player more or less not.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Blake Bill as the second pact. He's
Speaker 1: not under contract. That type of guy, that type of guy.
Speaker 1: I think you need to go add that guy. I
Speaker 1: need you. I think you need to add that guy.
Speaker 1: Whether you know, um, you know, yeah, Luna Wells Lunda
Speaker 1: Wells ad Is is developing that guy right now in
Speaker 1: a roster. I don't know, but I do know that
Speaker 1: if I had to choose between those two, I'm going
Speaker 1: with Jarwin because Darwin gives you more opportunities with his
Speaker 1: with his abilities and his attributes. I know they love,
Speaker 1: they love Sean mcun and I've been impressed by what
Speaker 1: he's done. Same guy, right. No, I was about to say, like,
Speaker 1: I think he's very similar to the other two. It
Speaker 1: sucks because and I, uh, too bad Nate Newton's not here.
Speaker 1: He'll be like the first person to start pounding the
Speaker 1: desk and saying they need a blocking tight end. Those
Speaker 1: guys are getting harder and harder to find. It's not
Speaker 1: that mean Mercedes Lewis is around you, Just colleges don't
Speaker 1: ask tight ends to do that. And so shoot at
Speaker 1: this rate. If you're that size and that good at blocking,
Speaker 1: probably play play attack. Yeah, there's no doubt yet. So
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done. But yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: need they need a bigger body who is more capable
Speaker 1: at blocking. But I think I think Jarwin can do
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But I'm sure how much they would
Speaker 1: be utilizing this offense. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many two tight end sets we would
Speaker 1: actually utilize, don't they They have them some twelve personnel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they would use it. I would be it
Speaker 1: might be boring use it to run, just give me
Speaker 1: a big like just hey can you block? And just
Speaker 1: running out? Those are the two things I need to do, yeah,
Speaker 1: block or running the flat All right. So so we
Speaker 1: we're playing the GM role here and I think we're
Speaker 1: all together on this. So we started with the Murray
Speaker 1: and because of that, we probably are gonna let Dalton
Speaker 1: Sheltz do his thing, and I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a DeMarco Murray type situation of this is the number
Speaker 1: we have for you. I'm sorry if this insults you,
Speaker 1: but this is what we have. And if the Jets
Speaker 1: or whatever or some other team doubles it or whatever,
Speaker 1: hey man, it's been fun and I think we'd love
Speaker 1: for you to come back. But I think the number,
Speaker 1: the number that eventually pops up when Adam Schefter breaks
Speaker 1: his signing, is gonna make everybody go whoa. It reminds
Speaker 1: me of Robert Quinn. Yeah. We spent months talking about, like,
Speaker 1: love to have him back at the right price. He's
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of thirty. Maybe kind of keep
Speaker 1: the price down. He wasn't great against the run. Maybe
Speaker 1: they can bring him back on like a thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars deal. And then the Bears were like, we'll give
Speaker 1: you eighty. Yeah, and everybody was like, okay, rob go
Speaker 1: get go, get it, buddy, and we can't offer you
Speaker 1: that and he did. Oh and he's at the Bears
Speaker 1: sing freaking killed it last year. Yeah, that was like
Speaker 1: the quietest great season. Yeah. Um okay, So so that
Speaker 1: happens now. Now we're gonna switch to now we got
Speaker 1: some decisions to make. It's like I wrote this yes today.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a chicken and egg type thing,
Speaker 1: is it? Do you figure out what you want to
Speaker 1: do with Randy and then that decides what you do
Speaker 1: with Tank? Or do you figure out what you're doing
Speaker 1: with Tank and that decides what you could do with Randy?
Speaker 1: Or do you try to keep them both? I think
Speaker 1: they inform each other. I think those two things are
Speaker 1: connected because of the because of the money it requires
Speaker 1: to sign a pass rusher, Like even even with the
Speaker 1: shared history that Randy and the front office have, Like
Speaker 1: I get like maybe Randy's willing to sign here on
Speaker 1: a favorable deal, but it's still going to be expensive.
Speaker 1: Like you're still talking about north of twelve million dollars
Speaker 1: a year to sign him, right, Yeah, that's fine because
Speaker 1: because Tank is making what twenty yeah? Yeah, which give
Speaker 1: it In a perfect world, I think in a world
Speaker 1: where you can just do what you want. I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys approached to Marcus and his people next week
Speaker 1: at the combine and say, we would love to slash
Speaker 1: you down to like sixteen, and then that'll help us
Speaker 1: keep Randy and you you still got plenty of money,
Speaker 1: and wouldn't it be great to just have the band
Speaker 1: back together and in a real world, say tanks, people
Speaker 1: will be like lol, bro right, But but they can
Speaker 1: laugh like that and say, we're not doing that to
Speaker 1: the market. Decide until you get cut and then you
Speaker 1: go and you probably make less than that, yeah, somewhere
Speaker 1: where you maybe paying taxes. It's a it's a pride
Speaker 1: thing though. I think for a lot of those guys.
Speaker 1: You know, DeMarcus is tricky because it looks like he's
Speaker 1: injury prone. He's in the last four years he's missed
Speaker 1: like eight games or no, no, he's missed like eleven games.
Speaker 1: Ten of them was this year with that with that foot.
Speaker 1: But he's he's played these other ones. It's just like
Speaker 1: he's played through a lot of stuff, through a lot
Speaker 1: He is hard to look at it like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we brought that up last week too,
Speaker 1: Like I think it was I think it was sixteen
Speaker 1: when they're like the great season in thirteen and three,
Speaker 1: like he had like one sack that year and it
Speaker 1: was because he played like the whole season with one
Speaker 1: shoulder and I always I always tell this Kevin Burnett story.
Speaker 1: Kevin Burnett, who you played with him? And he called
Speaker 1: me one time and I was like, kind of scared
Speaker 1: about it because you know, he's got his own opinions
Speaker 1: and thoughts, you know, and he because I called him
Speaker 1: injury prone. Oh and he well, Jerry Jones said one time,
Speaker 1: he was like, if we can keep Kevin Burnett out
Speaker 1: of the hospital. He said that in the draft room.
Speaker 1: But he he goes, you said I was interview prone.
Speaker 1: I've only missed like five games in my career, which
Speaker 1: he was right. He also had surgery when it was
Speaker 1: time to make linebacker decisions in the offseason, draft free agency.
Speaker 1: He was always hurt. So yes, you can say I
Speaker 1: only missed so many games, but timing of your injury,
Speaker 1: you know, you're at a situation where you're like, well,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna draft this linebacker. We have Kevin Burnett.
Speaker 1: Ye who who's got a cast on? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So the laws sort of been that way
Speaker 1: because he's had some off off the field injuries and
Speaker 1: I mean off the field I'm sorry, offseason injuries, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean his his whole contract thing revolved around a
Speaker 1: surgery or if you remember, he kind of I thought
Speaker 1: it was it was petty toward the team, but like
Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of genius. He was like, well,
Speaker 1: if you want me ready, then you need to sign
Speaker 1: me to this deal so I can have this surgery
Speaker 1: and I ain't getting until you give me the money,
Speaker 1: which again not great for the team, but like that's
Speaker 1: just I thought it was smart business. All Right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna play a game of multiple choice. I do real,
Speaker 1: I just will. So we talked about this cutting. That's
Speaker 1: the thing, Like, I don't I think it would be
Speaker 1: incredibly stupid if they cut him Maari Cooper. But that's
Speaker 1: tangible savings, Like he saves you like seventeen million dollars
Speaker 1: if he's not on this team. DeMarcus hits your cap
Speaker 1: for twenty and saves you eight. Like, I just don't
Speaker 1: even think it's if you cut him, you could June
Speaker 1: first him. You could just do that in June first,
Speaker 1: and then you're saving nineteen. True, but you can designate
Speaker 1: a guy a cut and you could cut him March
Speaker 1: seventeenth and just designated one with two guys. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think d law and Lyle could be the two
Speaker 1: options just because Lyle saves you one if you cut
Speaker 1: him now, but if you designate him, you cut him,
Speaker 1: you save ten and you have a replacement that is
Speaker 1: not the same. Oh oh say it, speak your mind.
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me finish the spasm with your back.
Speaker 1: I said, he has a replacement who is not the same,
Speaker 1: But I don't think there is a huge difference. He's
Speaker 1: made out of steal. Yeah, okay, do you think there's
Speaker 1: a huge difference between the two better than glass facts? Um,
Speaker 1: I think that you need Lyle. I think you need
Speaker 1: Lyo because he's I think he's a sure thing. I
Speaker 1: think it's a sure thing. I'm regardless of the stuff
Speaker 1: that that's happened I'm talking about. I'm just saying performance wise,
Speaker 1: there's no question marks when he's out there performance wise,
Speaker 1: if he can do it. I think some of the
Speaker 1: question marks that you've had when other people have stepped
Speaker 1: up into that roles can they do it? Yeah? Right now?
Speaker 1: How effective would they be? Right? Can they actually do it?
Speaker 1: And I think you don't have that question mark when
Speaker 1: you're putting Lyao out there. Now, Hey, Leo, are you
Speaker 1: the same Leo that you were before? Okay, Well, if
Speaker 1: you're not okay, then we can maybe let's talk about
Speaker 1: moving you over to left guard and putting you over
Speaker 1: there next attire. You know what's like, there's there's options there,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you have those same options when
Speaker 1: you're talking about some of these other guys that can
Speaker 1: step up into those roles. That's all I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: he if he fully commenced to that, if he fully
Speaker 1: commits to playing guard and doing that, then i'd before that.
Speaker 1: But if he's like, well, you know, whatever, whatever's best
Speaker 1: for the team, I'll just I'll show up and we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens if he's not. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you'd be that way, because let's be let's be
Speaker 1: on this lap. Two years ago, he didn't show up
Speaker 1: in the best shape. He end up getting hurt, he
Speaker 1: had a hip injury, he got surgery. Last year, he
Speaker 1: was in good shape. Then he was suspending five games,
Speaker 1: which might have been a reason why. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things you know with with with Leo.
Speaker 1: But let's let's go back to the defense VENs and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put this this question here on
Speaker 1: the test, Okay, all right, what is the most likely
Speaker 1: scenario to happen regarding defensive ends? A Gregory and Lawrence
Speaker 1: are on the team B. Gregory only see DeMarcus only
Speaker 1: d neither on the team B. B. Is Randy Gregory only? Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I go. I don't think there's a way to stand
Speaker 1: behind d Law's current number and validate that he should
Speaker 1: be making that base upon his performance. Yea. And I
Speaker 1: think Jerry would rather keep Randy than anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: like he wants to keep Randy over any players, and
Speaker 1: that's probably his top part. If he was running the show,
Speaker 1: he would it starts with Randy. You know, you know
Speaker 1: how many times we've talked. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is true or not, but you know, Stephen will
Speaker 1: say it of Jared Sisa, well, we haven't talked to
Speaker 1: the agent yet, and you're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Right They come out and say like we've yeah, we
Speaker 1: talked Randy and blew my mind at the senior. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I always tell people, I'm like, those conversations don't
Speaker 1: usually start until the combine and sometimes they don't start
Speaker 1: until like a couple of days before free agency, because again,
Speaker 1: like it's like it's like dating you know, like you
Speaker 1: don't want to be the person that texts or like
Speaker 1: God forbid you like double texts. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to be the one that's more invested. That's what
Speaker 1: some of these negotiations are. Like. It's like, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: they can call us, but we're not calling them. Get
Speaker 1: the hell out of here. But then they go to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and Jerry's like, yeah, I was with
Speaker 1: Randy's agent yesterday in January. That is unusual. That is
Speaker 1: very unusual. So you know, we've been told that there's
Speaker 1: a well what I'm sorry, I want to know it.
Speaker 1: I want to know what you're multiple choice? Yeah, I said, oh,
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I said the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Okay, but what would be the
Speaker 1: next choice? We'll rank them after B I would I do?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this is blind optimism, but like I have,
Speaker 1: there's like a little sliver of me that thinks that
Speaker 1: they both wind up here, like if if the team again,
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think you can underestimate. I
Speaker 1: really do think this is a scenario where the team's
Speaker 1: history with the player could really make an impact. And
Speaker 1: I think Randy wants Yeah, like Randy. Randy wants to
Speaker 1: be here, the team wants him here. An amicable situation
Speaker 1: can be agreed upon where everybody's a little bit happy.
Speaker 1: And then I don't think DeMarcus Lawrence would take a
Speaker 1: pay cut. But maybe the team just decides to bite
Speaker 1: the bullet and restructure him, which gives you the extra
Speaker 1: money without losing him. Yeah. See, I would restructure, saying
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys could solve so many of their
Speaker 1: problems if they just restructure to Mari like they It
Speaker 1: would give them X amount of cap space to play
Speaker 1: around with. You reach, why would he? No, we're talking restructures,
Speaker 1: not cuts. You don't. Players don't have a say in that. No,
Speaker 1: instead of playing for twenty million, you in all the
Speaker 1: year and you just get twenty million in your pocket
Speaker 1: and then back a little bit. Definitely he's gonna I
Speaker 1: I disagree with you guys on the Randy and d
Speaker 1: law coming back together. I can't see that scenario. Reason
Speaker 1: see it? You see, I think I think self better
Speaker 1: than that. No, I don't see Dlow on his team.
Speaker 1: Well no, he said, he said Randy. Or they're both gone.
Speaker 1: Oh oh they're both I got that. The reason being
Speaker 1: is because I think Jerry Jones sits down with coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Dan Quinn and says, dan Quinn, can you
Speaker 1: have that same impact that you had this year without
Speaker 1: those guys? And he says he probably has another word
Speaker 1: in there, and then he says no. And then you
Speaker 1: have to look at it and say, what did they
Speaker 1: provide that was so dominant? Take the emotions out of it,
Speaker 1: Take emotions out of it. What did they provide that
Speaker 1: was so dominant? What did they have an Aaron Donald effect?
Speaker 1: Did they have a Von Miller effect? Okay, but but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I get I get annoyed when someone
Speaker 1: says Dak is an Aaron Rodgers and then you're like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: who is? But but no, no, no, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean I can take the names out of I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, what element did you miss when d
Speaker 1: law or Gregory wasn't there? This is I'm very black
Speaker 1: and white like out of it. What is it that
Speaker 1: they provided at that number that you couldn't get out
Speaker 1: of somebody else when it take I guess if there
Speaker 1: wasn't effort, well, Randy Gregory, I mean, Randy Gregory was
Speaker 1: playing at a very high level level before the calf injury.
Speaker 1: And when he had the calf injury, they lost games.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get after Patrick Mahomes, they couldn't get after
Speaker 1: Derek Carr against the Raiders. But I mean, we'll say this,
Speaker 1: that was such a penalty fest game. I would imagine
Speaker 1: what Randy would have done in that game, because they
Speaker 1: like to throw flags on Randy true, which actually it's funny.
Speaker 1: The numbers don't back it up at all. Like Randy
Speaker 1: finished with six sacks, I didn't realize Doren's Armstrong had five.
Speaker 1: But and with all due respect to Dorren's Armstrong, no
Speaker 1: way and what they have. DeMarcus Lawrence is an incredibly
Speaker 1: well polished and all around sound end like I'll put
Speaker 1: him up the whole body of work, like playing the run,
Speaker 1: rushing the passer, impacting the quarterback. He does. He does
Speaker 1: that as well as anybody like. He doesn't have like
Speaker 1: the freaky bend that the von Miller's do. Randy does,
Speaker 1: though Randy does and Micah Parsons does too, and you
Speaker 1: need all of them to really have a terrifying pastor.
Speaker 1: I agree Donald gets all the credit. Leonard Floyd was
Speaker 1: a big part of that. Obviously, Von Miller had a
Speaker 1: hell of an impact. You need you probably you need
Speaker 1: three guys that can like that scare you, agreed, And
Speaker 1: that's why I say that you need Randy Beck. That's
Speaker 1: why I stand on and say you need Randy Beck.
Speaker 1: D Law. I respect the heck out of d Law,
Speaker 1: respect what he's done, but I think we all can
Speaker 1: agree he's not going to take a pay cut, right,
Speaker 1: I would assume, so I would assume that he won't
Speaker 1: take a pay cut here. Yeah, not here. And if
Speaker 1: he's unwilling to take a pick up here, I don't
Speaker 1: see him on this roster. And reason being because I
Speaker 1: think what he provides it his team. He provides the leadership.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of things, attributes. I'm not a
Speaker 1: big stat guy. I'm not. I won't give a dog
Speaker 1: out a bus desk, but there's so many other plays
Speaker 1: that you affect. That's why. Yeah, So I think that
Speaker 1: he provides a lot of other attributes to this team
Speaker 1: aside from sex. Okay, but what he does provide, what
Speaker 1: I see on film, I think you can get that
Speaker 1: production out of somebody who's for half of the costs.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and I think this is where I
Speaker 1: differ is I just don't trust it. And I know,
Speaker 1: as a GM you've got to think more about the
Speaker 1: bigger picture. You got to think about the long term
Speaker 1: health of your cap and your roster. But like we're
Speaker 1: all sitting here disappointed as hell about a twelve and
Speaker 1: five team that couldn't win a playoff game, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to imagine that they're a better version of
Speaker 1: that team without Lawrence, because I do think edge rusher
Speaker 1: is a position. I think it's a lot harder to
Speaker 1: find than you're giving it credit for it right now,
Speaker 1: because like the guys that can do it as well
Speaker 1: as Lawrence won't. They won't be able to afford them
Speaker 1: on the open market. And unless unless you have like
Speaker 1: a top ten draft pick, like guys that can rush
Speaker 1: the passer that well that quickly, you don't find them
Speaker 1: in the draft. I agree, in year one at least,
Speaker 1: like maybe you luck out and find a third round
Speaker 1: pick who becomes a stud. It won't be in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that you
Speaker 1: need a complete dog at the DM position in this defense.
Speaker 1: And I'm very specific to saying this defense with dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn can get pressure on you as long as
Speaker 1: you have attributes that he knows how to utilize. If
Speaker 1: you're powerful, if you have speed, any he knows how
Speaker 1: to scheme it up. You're going to be effective holistically
Speaker 1: as a defense, not even as an individual. What impact
Speaker 1: does your attributes provide that he can throw into the
Speaker 1: mix and expose an offensive line? That's all you're looking for.
Speaker 1: You don't he dan Quinn doesn't need a dominant guy
Speaker 1: like a d I want to same even say dominant.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need a guy, a twenty million dollar guy
Speaker 1: like d Law that can't single handily just take over
Speaker 1: a game. I can very much imagine a month from
Speaker 1: now or two months from now, you're I think you're
Speaker 1: right now that I'm listening to your argument, because I
Speaker 1: can imagine the cowboy was saying, you see what Dan
Speaker 1: got out of Mica as a twenty percent of the
Speaker 1: time pass rusher, Give us Micah and Randy and whatever
Speaker 1: we can add on the side of that, and we'll
Speaker 1: be fine. I don't know if I believe that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I certainly think it's possible, but I think that's a
Speaker 1: very like pie in the sky drinking, the kool aid
Speaker 1: type of thing of like, hey, Micah got thirteen sacks
Speaker 1: last year, Like we just run it back and we
Speaker 1: don't need Lawrence. I can imagine that for sure. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: they won games, you know without d law they didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't. They weren't as successful without Gregory. They weren't
Speaker 1: really as successful without Amar, especially the game that Amri
Speaker 1: and uh and whatever. The reason why Mari wasn't there,
Speaker 1: I get it. Hey, we don't have to get into
Speaker 1: the COVID stuff, but I think that's a big part
Speaker 1: of the reason why Amri might not be here too,
Speaker 1: just the I think there's a dissatisfaction there. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones did not bother hiding his disappointment that Amari
Speaker 1: was unavailable for two weeks. I'm just gonna nor that
Speaker 1: because I think that would be crazy. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna assume that. I think you're right. I don't want
Speaker 1: to believe that. I don't like, I'm not looking if
Speaker 1: they move on from Amari. I'm like, I'm not looking
Speaker 1: forward to doing radio and podcasts afterward because I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna have anything nice to say. Right, all right, let's
Speaker 1: go to break, Maybe we'll have some nice things to
Speaker 1: say when we come back. We got a lot more
Speaker 1: questions I'm want to ask these guys, also a sneaky
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask them about their sneaky draft need and
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Speaker 1: That's that's as fast as it gets right there, only
Speaker 1: because I want to hurry up. And I watched Storage Wars.
Speaker 1: Do you really? Oh? I love it? I met I
Speaker 1: think I met the lady one of the people that
Speaker 1: was on that. I was back for COVID, which feels
Speaker 1: like a lifetime ago. But I'm just surprised that wasn't
Speaker 1: a WrestleMania read because there's always want to go. It's
Speaker 1: coming up, man, I want to go, Okay in the
Speaker 1: PBRs coming up. I gotta get tickets of both of
Speaker 1: the bull riding guy Oh no, I mean, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I respect it, but I'm not until the last time
Speaker 1: when I was on the show and we did have
Speaker 1: a wrestling I was on his show and they had
Speaker 1: a wrestling read and then that got down to story
Speaker 1: time that this guy actually tried out as a wrestler,
Speaker 1: right for hap WW. Dude, I can see that you
Speaker 1: would have been why they didn't want you, You would
Speaker 1: have been they offered me. It wasn't enough, really, I mean,
Speaker 1: that is a dude. That is a hard life. It
Speaker 1: is being on the road like it is. That's rep
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I couldn't be away from my family. And
Speaker 1: also like just destroying your body, just be down you
Speaker 1: You would be so good in the I don't know
Speaker 1: what they're called. I apologize, just just the interviews, just
Speaker 1: the world. What are they called? You know? The promo? Oh,
Speaker 1: Isaiah would be a promo god okay, heel though, or
Speaker 1: a good guy, I don't know. They always make you turn.
Speaker 1: They always make you play both Isaiah as anybody who
Speaker 1: went through their entire career just being a good guy.
Speaker 1: They always make you play both sides. Isaiah would be
Speaker 1: a heel who thinks he's a face, Like Isaiah thinks
Speaker 1: he's the good guy and the voice of reason, but
Speaker 1: the crowd hates him or whatever. Kind of like old
Speaker 1: school Chris Jericho a little bit. Yeah, but see their competition.
Speaker 1: I kind of like, I like the guys that are
Speaker 1: the other way, the guys that are kind of like
Speaker 1: bad guys, but because of their attitude, you just like
Speaker 1: them respective Like the Macho Man was was sort of
Speaker 1: that way. I mean, The Rock is the pinnacle of that.
Speaker 1: Like his whole thing was old a little bit straight.
Speaker 1: Favorite wrestler of all times, is it? I refuse to
Speaker 1: separate Stone Cold in the Rock. I love them both.
Speaker 1: I mean that's my childhood and attitude era forever. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's talk a little bit about I
Speaker 1: teed this up about sneaky need position, like what and
Speaker 1: I know what it is for me. I'll just start
Speaker 1: it because if you got if you got Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: rushing the passer more and Layton Vanders did not have
Speaker 1: a great year and he's a free agent, and your
Speaker 1: Royal Cox is coming off an injury, and Luke Gifford
Speaker 1: is even in this conversation. That makes me think linebacker
Speaker 1: is a pretty big need. Again. Two linebackers so that's
Speaker 1: I think from here. And this always, this always changes
Speaker 1: because people are gonna make fun and the Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: spend money, but they're gonna you know, they're gonna sign
Speaker 1: six or seven guys. They do it every year, and
Speaker 1: so it'll change. But right now, like purely from a
Speaker 1: number standpoint, I think linebackers like a top three need
Speaker 1: on this roster. They just don't. They don't have any.
Speaker 1: Neil and Layton Nard under contract, Gifford and Francis Bernard
Speaker 1: have done. I mean, they're they're who they are. And
Speaker 1: then Jabriel Cox, I have high hopes for what he
Speaker 1: can be, but he's coming off an ACL Yeah. So um.
Speaker 1: You see a lot of draft you know, mocks and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I've seen the linebacker from Georgia,
Speaker 1: Nakobe Dean, who's undersized, a little bit undersized, but he's
Speaker 1: a heat seeking missile. I mean he sees it and
Speaker 1: goes much about college. No. No, he's six flat, but
Speaker 1: is gonna run a great forty and knows where the
Speaker 1: ball's going. I mean he like, I don't know, toy like.
Speaker 1: He's a very twenty twenty two type of linebacker. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you if if the guy is there and he
Speaker 1: maybe it's gonna be closed, But I'll take the guy
Speaker 1: that played in front of him. Jordan Davis. Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: I understand that he's kind of a you know, he's
Speaker 1: a big defensive lineman, which I thought. I thought Jordans
Speaker 1: Avis should have been had should have had some Heisman
Speaker 1: talk last year. I just thought that defense was so
Speaker 1: good and somebody was starring on it. I guess Nakobe
Speaker 1: Dean was helping too. Honestly, that Georgia defense, I would
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, eight of the eleven
Speaker 1: are gonna get drafted. Probably what's Jordan Davis is a
Speaker 1: number of dimension six six three huge run. Yeah you
Speaker 1: like that now? Ye oh yeah? Give me him all
Speaker 1: day long. And I and I get the argument. I
Speaker 1: think I heard some of it of a brought us
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show and we don't even talk Draft show,
Speaker 1: which well we haven't happens twice a week, but um,
Speaker 1: you know there's some talk about, well do you draft
Speaker 1: a two down player? Right there? But which two downs
Speaker 1: are we talking about? Second? Because if he can do
Speaker 1: his job and get off the field and let Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons and Randy and whoever else get after it, then
Speaker 1: I'm okay, right there, twenty two depend This is a
Speaker 1: weird draft, like the top of it, it's just it
Speaker 1: is a very beauty is in the eye of the
Speaker 1: beholder sort of draft, whatever you need. I've seen him
Speaker 1: projected anywhere from top twenty two in the forties, like
Speaker 1: he could be a second round pick or or he
Speaker 1: could not be there when the Cowboys pick, Like it's
Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to tell. I've seen I think
Speaker 1: I've seen some mocks and he's like twenty two, twenty
Speaker 1: three for sure, Like that's no. I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: hell of a player. His effort, his size, his capabilities
Speaker 1: of his effort. Again, it's so much of so much
Speaker 1: of what they're going to add defensively for this team
Speaker 1: going forward in a draft or even in free agency
Speaker 1: is going to be around your character, your character and
Speaker 1: your effort. That that's that's that is that's Dan. I've
Speaker 1: said it before, when Dan quinn Us his name even
Speaker 1: came up, I told the guys I'm talking about it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the whole character of this team is
Speaker 1: about to be changed, right, everything about it. Let's go
Speaker 1: into that a little bit. You see character you're talking
Speaker 1: about off the field, you're talking about both I'm talking
Speaker 1: about I mean, I'm talking about like a um. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't expect me to go hard every play type
Speaker 1: of guys. Okay, that you're not talking about a guy
Speaker 1: that had some issues in college and from being young
Speaker 1: and immature. Okay, because that happened, and and and that
Speaker 1: pushed him down twelve spots. Because I guarantee you if
Speaker 1: it went just off, a talent Michael Parsons would would
Speaker 1: have been higher than No. No, no, I think I
Speaker 1: think mean in bringing up that cool character in terms
Speaker 1: of like off the field stuff, I think that you
Speaker 1: will see You'll probably see some free agents come in
Speaker 1: here that that might have had some of that in
Speaker 1: their past too. Well, you always have, that's always been
Speaker 1: I'm talking about guys that have taken like a year off.
Speaker 1: Don't be surprised to see some guys. Oh oh, now
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. Who I gotta go fish around for guys
Speaker 1: who sat out for the last year. Interesting? Interesting, I say,
Speaker 1: mine's not there. Okay, sneaky need, I said, linebacker, And
Speaker 1: maybe it's not that sneaky. I mean, we just talked
Speaker 1: about this is boring. I don't. I don't think this
Speaker 1: team has a sneaky need like all of it there
Speaker 1: glearing you can look. I mean, linebacker speaks for itself,
Speaker 1: receiver speaks for itself, offensive line receiver speaks for itself.
Speaker 1: Because they just don't have any under on track, especially
Speaker 1: if they get rid of a Maori offensive line was
Speaker 1: the reason for the most part why they fell apart
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season, So everybody knows
Speaker 1: about that. They don't have any safeties on the roster. Um.
Speaker 1: So if I'm if I'm looking for a sneaky need,
Speaker 1: probably edge because even if he does it more, I
Speaker 1: don't want Mica to play end exclusively. I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: I have to stand alone on that hill. I want
Speaker 1: some versatility. So even if he does it more, I
Speaker 1: don't want him there all the time. And if they
Speaker 1: move on from DeMarcus Dorance Armstrong is a free agent,
Speaker 1: Terrell Basham's still here. He was fine, um and we
Speaker 1: Chauncey Golston, Yeah, he was fine as a rookie. But
Speaker 1: if if DeMarcus isn't on this team, yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think end is something that you
Speaker 1: could potentially address as quickly as the first round of
Speaker 1: the draft. Are you paying for you to bring your
Speaker 1: punter back? Um? Yes, Anger, Yeah, Yes, I am if
Speaker 1: a huge I can't imagine that the price would be
Speaker 1: crazy even after the season that I don't think it'd
Speaker 1: be crazy. And I think based off talking to him,
Speaker 1: I think there's if there's a discount there, I think
Speaker 1: he would rather play here. He understands. He made it
Speaker 1: very clear how much he wants to play for Bones. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's because he because he takes care of him.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about him many times. And I
Speaker 1: also played with Anger. I used to block for Anger
Speaker 1: when I was in Jacksonville. Really yeah, good dude. Drafted
Speaker 1: ahead of Russell Wilson. I'm glad like he made a
Speaker 1: like he's a good player. I'm glad that maybe he
Speaker 1: can get out from under that trivia fact because that's
Speaker 1: all anybody ever wants to talk about when they him
Speaker 1: in third round. Yeah, Jacks drafted him in the third
Speaker 1: like a few spots ahead of for us. So I
Speaker 1: mean that's it sucks, but yeah, but he's he's he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a thirty seven year career. Yeah, he'll be Okay,
Speaker 1: he'll be fine. Okay, I wouldn't this wasn't on my list,
Speaker 1: but but now, Okay, not drafting a punter, but drafting
Speaker 1: a kicker has been talked about a lot. I would
Speaker 1: like to resign Anger because I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: draft picks on both positions, and I want to draft
Speaker 1: a kicker. I would love to draft a kicker. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I looked this up the other day. I mean, talk
Speaker 1: about saving some money and maybe feeling more confident when
Speaker 1: your kicker takes the field. Not all kickers that are
Speaker 1: drafted have been good, but most of them have been.
Speaker 1: Like like they there's a reason why they draft, you know,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't look this up in the last five
Speaker 1: or six years. And I know there's that Florida State
Speaker 1: kicker or gay that didn't work out. I like either
Speaker 1: of them are good. I firmly believe the butt like
Speaker 1: he had no chance the minute the Bucks traded up
Speaker 1: into the second round to get him. It's such a
Speaker 1: mental position and like those types of expectations and that
Speaker 1: type of hype, I just think he crumbled under it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if they draft him in the sixth round
Speaker 1: like a normal team, I bet he would have been fine.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm a sixth round pick. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: a good kicker, but I'm still a kicker. You don't
Speaker 1: kicker in your sick a round in your fantasy No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would not. Even there's two there's at
Speaker 1: least two really great kickers in this class, Um Cameron
Speaker 1: Dicker out of Texas and kde York out of LSU.
Speaker 1: They're both training here in Frisco. I would draft either
Speaker 1: one of them starting, like in the fifth round. I'd
Speaker 1: be a okay with that. Yeah me. K York hit
Speaker 1: that fifty something yardfield goal and couldn't even see the
Speaker 1: goal post. Right, Oh what a night? Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the shoe game. Oh yeah, Florida through the shoe That's right. Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: did you have a sneaky need or I mean it's
Speaker 1: at his point the sneak I mean I think that
Speaker 1: you have to you have to address your interior offensive line.
Speaker 1: I think you have to address that. I think you
Speaker 1: have to address linebacker, and I think you have to
Speaker 1: if Urban's not coming back, you have to address your
Speaker 1: interior defensive line. Yeah. I hadn't even thought about Brent
Speaker 1: Hurban I think I think they're I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they missed him. Yeah, he was a good I would
Speaker 1: love to have him back. He had TRICEPTS surgery in December.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the recovery is on that. I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a tough position. It's a tough position to have
Speaker 1: to do something to your arm, for sure. And because
Speaker 1: this came out yesterday with Where's the Windows started with
Speaker 1: the franchise tag? Was there? Is there anybody on this
Speaker 1: team that you would franchise? But you would just say,
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta have them on the team at
Speaker 1: this you know that's about five million? Maybe not then,
Speaker 1: I mean, if they can't get thanked, that's right, I
Speaker 1: would tag Randy obviously like they got worked. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: what man, there's a lot of money, man. We you
Speaker 1: need edge rushers the man. Okay, the man can run
Speaker 1: the hula hoop like parallel to the ground. You don't
Speaker 1: just find that on the street. Okay, here's here's the
Speaker 1: thing about that. I know we're about to go here
Speaker 1: before Chris is in my ears probably telling me wrap
Speaker 1: it up, you're good, but real quick, um with is
Speaker 1: he okay? Well, what is the number or for let's
Speaker 1: just say, Randy, is it I think it's sixteen Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just say it. I'll pull it up. You talk,
Speaker 1: because the thing is is a minute that you tag
Speaker 1: him and you don't want him to play at sixteen million?
Speaker 1: Is sixteen okay, So let's say. Let's say that they
Speaker 1: tag them just so they can give themselves more time,
Speaker 1: but that is the number from then on. That is
Speaker 1: the agents like, all right, if you want a four
Speaker 1: year deal, it's eighty five. It's one hundred because you
Speaker 1: just tagged him at twenty million. So that's the I've
Speaker 1: never seen a player get tagged and then sign for
Speaker 1: less than that. Doesn't happen. Agree, So to be careful
Speaker 1: doing the Dalton Schultz it's like eleven careful with that.
Speaker 1: What what are we doing here? Kicking? Are you kicking? Yeah? Maybe?
Speaker 1: And I've seen I've seen people kick the idea of
Speaker 1: tagging Dalton because it's a it's quote unquote affordable at
Speaker 1: least as far as Frank I just I love the
Speaker 1: idea that just handing somebody eleven million guaranteed is seen
Speaker 1: as affordable. But it is a much smaller number than
Speaker 1: than a lot of the other ones. Although I will,
Speaker 1: which I don't. I'm not trying to start an argument
Speaker 1: with Beamer. But everything i'm seeing has the d N
Speaker 1: tag at seventeen and a half, which is still a
Speaker 1: lot of money, but a little bit less than twenty.
Speaker 1: I should have asked this earlier. But if Schultz is tag,
Speaker 1: or here is Jarwin, y'all letting him go there? You
Speaker 1: save a little bit three or four millions something like that.
Speaker 1: You can't how much you haven't you giving him a
Speaker 1: lot of money already? They gave him twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's staying. Figure it out. I'll figure it out money.
Speaker 1: And it sucks because they're they're besties, they're you know,
Speaker 1: they've been here together. They're great friends. But from a
Speaker 1: team building standpoint, I'm just not sure why they both
Speaker 1: need to be here, especially if they're both expensive players.
Speaker 1: So and and maybe this is always it's this time
Speaker 1: of year is fun because their game plan could be
Speaker 1: so like we're sitting we're all in agreement, like Mary's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, we're gonna do this, that and the other.
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, we're gonna cut Amri, We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna get something done with Schultz, like Schultz is
Speaker 1: a big part of this in our book. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, so who knows. I think I keep
Speaker 1: saying it. I think the next like five weeks are
Speaker 1: gonna be crazy, a little chaotic. Oh yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: I appreciate Isaiah. Thanks for filling in. You did great show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks man. All right, we'll see you next time, and
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have our full crew, but if not, we'll
Speaker 1: definitely find some more replacements like we did that. Actually
Speaker 1: next time is you say you'll need to replacement next
Speaker 1: replacements that's right out of town. That's right for the combine, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: so we'll probably be checking in. Yeah, give me a call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely won't, all right, because you'll your live view
Speaker 1: won't be working in and we'll have figure it all out.
Speaker 1: You are right me of all people talking about tech savvy,
Speaker 1: it's which funny all right for David Helmont, Isaiah stand back.
Speaker 1: I'm Nick keeping. We'll see you next time. Thanks Chris
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