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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode fifty eight of Native Lampod,
Speaker 1: where we give you all things politics, but a little
Speaker 1: bit of culture sprinkled in there for everybody's taste. We
Speaker 1: are your host Tiffany Cross.
Speaker 3: Oh you don't want to go first, I'm Angela Raie.
Speaker 1: And I'll go last. As always, I'm Andrew Gillen. We
Speaker 1: want to say welcome home everybody.
Speaker 3: Let's get to it, y'.
Speaker 1: So, y'all, what are we talking about today? We get
Speaker 1: to one being person, which.
Speaker 3: Is I'm happy to see y'all.
Speaker 4: I think these shows are so much better wear in person.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: I definitely think they're a show.
Speaker 4: I felt it.
Speaker 1: What do you want to talk about today? So?
Speaker 4: I think people are pretty checked out of politics, I
Speaker 4: really do. Everyone I talked to and I want to
Speaker 4: talk about how to curate pete. It's the time of
Speaker 4: year where people are with family and as we go
Speaker 4: into a twenty twenty five that is going to be hectic.
Speaker 4: How do we carry a peace?
Speaker 1: I love that curating peace?
Speaker 5: Angela well, if there's no justice, there's no peace. So
Speaker 5: we're going to stay in politics a little bit because
Speaker 5: it's it might not be bombs over bag Dad, New Jersey,
Speaker 5: but it's something flying over in New Jersey. And now
Speaker 5: they're saying it might be in Atlanta too. It's the drones.
Speaker 5: I was just laughing at my dear brother Leonard about
Speaker 5: this last week. Turns out, ah, hi, hell, it might
Speaker 5: actually be some there there.
Speaker 1: Huh. Well, I can't wait to hear your theory of
Speaker 1: the case for me. A lot of talk about what's
Speaker 1: Kamala's next step, Madam Vice President. Obviously she's been at
Speaker 1: the height of government in this country. Could she go
Speaker 1: down now to one of the states to lead the
Speaker 1: great state of California as its governor. I'd love to
Speaker 1: hear y'all's opinions and thoughts on it. Okay, So let's
Speaker 1: get at it.
Speaker 3: Let's do it. Okay.
Speaker 5: So I think I might be the only one here
Speaker 5: that had a class running none security.
Speaker 3: Clearance is all I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: But I was scared to go beyond a TS and
Speaker 5: get an SCI clearance, which is the one that goes
Speaker 5: through the CIA. Obviously, y'all know why I didn't want
Speaker 5: to go through the CIA. We have trauma with the CIA.
Speaker 5: But I am very curious about what is happening with
Speaker 5: the drones. When I did Breakfast Club last week, Secretary
Speaker 5: of Pete was on and Lenard asked him about the
Speaker 5: drones over New Jersey and I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 5: I literally was laughing because I was like, this is
Speaker 5: so ridiculous, Like because Leonard is always on my aliens,
Speaker 5: which is fine, they probably do exist.
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, shout out to the ets of
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 5: But I just was saying, what was fascinating to me
Speaker 5: about this is the fact that everybody started.
Speaker 3: Seeing them more the more they were reported.
Speaker 5: Karen, who is me and Lenard share manager, Me and
Speaker 5: Lenard's share manager, but it's a good Karen was saying
Speaker 5: that she saw seven in her backyard there and I
Speaker 5: was like, were they in the yard or were they
Speaker 5: like she was like, in the skies, Like where are
Speaker 5: we sure.
Speaker 3: They're not stars?
Speaker 5: So I'm just I am very fascinated with the obsession, yes,
Speaker 5: and also what is fact?
Speaker 3: What is fiction? What is a threat? And I'm just curious.
Speaker 5: About where y'all are on it. I really don't have
Speaker 5: a thing. I just have heard from New Jersey. Now
Speaker 5: they're in popping up in Atlanta, and I want to
Speaker 5: know how much of it is our fear popping up?
Speaker 3: What is legit about it?
Speaker 5: And then also where some of our national security holes exist.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Well, what is the government saying about it? I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the official line right now?
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing I changes and.
Speaker 5: So initially the National Security Advisor said these are manned aircrafts.
Speaker 5: Joe Biden said it was nothing to worry about. Governor
Speaker 5: Hokel in New York and the Governor Murphy in New
Speaker 5: Jersey were like, we need more information.
Speaker 3: So it depends on.
Speaker 5: What level of government you're at, right and some of
Speaker 5: this is in response to your constituents. The state is like,
Speaker 5: we need to know what's really going on because this
Speaker 5: has happened for us and ain't happening.
Speaker 3: In the nation's capital.
Speaker 5: So they think that they're not they think that they're
Speaker 5: playing koy and even Senator Booker was like, we need
Speaker 5: more information.
Speaker 4: Interesting, according to the reporting there, there is no definitive
Speaker 4: response on what these drones are. And I think to
Speaker 4: Angela's point, This is where you see local and state
Speaker 4: government at odds with federal government. The federal government has
Speaker 4: come out and said that according to what they've seen
Speaker 4: in their investigation and they're talking to people, that some
Speaker 4: of these things are not even drones, Like some of
Speaker 4: these things are people seeing regular aircraft, or some of
Speaker 4: them are stars, or they have not met the definition
Speaker 4: of a drone. And honestly, if I saw something fly
Speaker 4: over my head, I don't know if I would immediately
Speaker 4: be able to recognize it as a drone. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you remember this, Angela, when we were on
Speaker 4: vacation on Machete Vaka, there was a drone that flew over,
Speaker 4: or we were all sitting out by the pole and
Speaker 4: there was a drone that flew over. So I think
Speaker 4: we have to know drones or things that people get
Speaker 4: for Christmas, you know, like they could be teenagers operating
Speaker 4: these drones if they are manned. I wanted to get
Speaker 4: my nephew a drone for Christmas. So we really don't know,
Speaker 4: but I think it is reminiscent of the spy balloon
Speaker 4: that it did turn up to be linked to China,
Speaker 4: and we do quite frankly have adversarial governments who are
Speaker 4: very curious about what happens here in the country. We
Speaker 4: as black people, have an innate sense of distrust with
Speaker 4: the government of people coming out to see and look
Speaker 4: for all the people who are concerned that the drones
Speaker 4: are spying on us and what are they, you know,
Speaker 4: getting from us. I just want to let you know,
Speaker 4: this right here already has a lot right away. Basically,
Speaker 4: this is your drone and so you know, I don't
Speaker 4: want to speculate on what this is. One I don't know,
Speaker 4: and two you know, we have not heard official response
Speaker 4: yet that that everybody seems to agree on.
Speaker 3: Three.
Speaker 4: Uh, we we cannot link this to any particular adversarial
Speaker 4: government at this time. But I just want to re
Speaker 4: flex to people. I understand why you might be concerned
Speaker 4: when you see something flying over your home. A lot
Speaker 4: of times and we've seen these things, it comes out like, oh,
Speaker 4: the military was, you know, testing new equipment in this area,
Speaker 4: and that's been linked to a lot of the UFO sightings.
Speaker 4: You know, So we basically we don't know. But I
Speaker 4: think that the question of homeland security is a legitimate one.
Speaker 4: I don't know if drones are the thing I'm most
Speaker 4: concerned about when it comes to homeland security, but that
Speaker 4: is definitely something that we should consider, even a drone.
Speaker 1: Crazy that I'm like really too obsessed with this show
Speaker 1: that I'm watching right now that you and I both
Speaker 1: are watching well on television.
Speaker 4: I know you're gonna say, lyon ass can I say,
Speaker 4: I'm three, I have not finish season two, so please
Speaker 4: don't want.
Speaker 3: You should get it out the diplomat.
Speaker 1: Should I were to believe what happens on this show,
Speaker 1: basically like everything from the government is a bit of
Speaker 1: up to huge and that there's always something there there,
Speaker 1: which frankly has turned out to be the case over
Speaker 1: the arc of history. Drugs, CIA, Connection, d DA, DA
Speaker 1: DA shows get made and then there's a big disconnect
Speaker 1: from it. What concerns me, I think is like the
Speaker 1: absence of definitiveness from the government. Why can't we just
Speaker 1: say these are non threatening and while we may not
Speaker 1: be able to identify exactly what they are, what we
Speaker 1: can rule out is but they were very much so
Speaker 1: prepared to tell us about not only the spyplane but
Speaker 1: also the drones associated with it. They knew that there
Speaker 1: were an intrusion of another foreign government surveillance apparatus in
Speaker 1: the United States atmosphere. These drones fly at such a
Speaker 1: low level. Do they evade detection? Can they be seen
Speaker 1: by American satellites that normally observes air traffic in this country?
Speaker 1: If air traffic could have been bought to a halt
Speaker 1: in this country after nine to eleven, if you bring
Speaker 1: air traffic to a halt right now, would drones be
Speaker 1: shot out of the sky? Would they still be allowed
Speaker 1: to move around again? At heights that are taller than
Speaker 1: some of the largest buildings that we know in this country.
Speaker 1: So the absence of information, and again I will attribute
Speaker 1: this to the fact that I'm obsessed with television right
Speaker 1: now that talks about the undermining of of of what.
Speaker 4: Happens and how they manipulate the news already known, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but they will literally plant something in the news story
Speaker 4: talked about the American.
Speaker 1: Response to her as an evasion.
Speaker 4: There's also a lot of right wing bullshit in that
Speaker 4: show that we can It's still a good show, but
Speaker 4: I'm like, I hear you that being said.
Speaker 1: Bullshit or not, it certainly has my spidy senses up
Speaker 1: about whether or not what we get from the government
Speaker 1: is true, or whether there's more than me, like.
Speaker 3: The Transformers is more than me.
Speaker 5: Now, I just I'm just fascinated because I have been
Speaker 5: you know, I'm a church kid, y'all, and I've been
Speaker 5: saying it's the last and evil days like those things.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, are is there some arm again?
Speaker 3: And stuff?
Speaker 5: Like what are we on? Because it does seem like,
Speaker 5: by the way, you know, I'm not saying he's the
Speaker 5: Answi Christ, but it seemed like the anti Christ might
Speaker 5: just got elected.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I actually have a cousin who said that
Speaker 1: when Obama she wouldn't go for Obama because the word
Speaker 1: anti Chris Christ.
Speaker 3: So she was not biblically accurate.
Speaker 5: I would like to talk to you because it's very
Speaker 5: clearly a white man you could look at what we're
Speaker 5: part of the.
Speaker 1: World's grandmother last days we were. When I was three,
Speaker 1: I remember being petrified that that was go come home
Speaker 1: and the war was going but it's.
Speaker 3: Going to be caught up in the rapture or left.
Speaker 1: Fine, yeah, and then I went again and then I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm here, what's going on? It was a
Speaker 1: big field.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, all that to say y'all.
Speaker 1: We don't know what the hell is going on with
Speaker 1: the els.
Speaker 5: We don't know, But I shouldn't have laughed because maybe
Speaker 5: it is serious.
Speaker 4: We literally, I mean, we literally have no idea, that's
Speaker 4: the quest.
Speaker 1: But I should we be nervous that we're not getting
Speaker 1: more from the.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think we should be nervous about the multiple
Speaker 4: threats that exist to the United States, which are not
Speaker 4: specific to drones.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: You know, we agree that we are in the cross
Speaker 4: of a lot of people and exactly, well, we talked
Speaker 4: about the phones songs, but also according to the US
Speaker 4: Intelligence under the Biden administration and under the Trump administration
Speaker 4: during his twenty sixteen years, the biggest threat to national
Speaker 4: security were white supremacists organizations. Yeah, so we have enemies
Speaker 4: to the north, enemies to the South, enemies domestically by
Speaker 4: the way, right, exactly, enemies within.
Speaker 1: Like relations and Obama.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, but but even like just individual bad actors
Speaker 4: who aim to sow chaos in the country, and also
Speaker 4: structural bad actors outside of the country, who you know,
Speaker 4: played a long game and have a long memory of
Speaker 4: things that America has done to them. When nine to
Speaker 4: eleven happened on domestic land. It was like the world stopped.
Speaker 4: And I think we have to consider a nine to
Speaker 4: eleven is happening somewhere across this globe on a regular basis,
Speaker 4: from Gaza to the continent, to areas in South America
Speaker 4: to Haiti, and so I'm like braced all the time
Speaker 4: for what might be coming down the pike when it
Speaker 4: comes to our national security. And it's not it's not
Speaker 4: like I can't function, but it is. It is an
Speaker 4: awareness that I think a lot of us lack.
Speaker 5: That's the thing too, I will just say androduces a
Speaker 5: quick point. I feel like we constantly and I'm saying
Speaker 5: we as a collective, not on this show, but we
Speaker 5: as a collective. We also don't understand this severe, this
Speaker 5: severity of miss and disinformation. Like part of I think
Speaker 5: the hysteria around the drone conversation is all of the rumors,
Speaker 5: all of what people are identifying with no you know,
Speaker 5: they don't have any background in this space to be
Speaker 5: identifying these things. You ain't got it ain't even got
Speaker 5: a telescope and you gotta telescope.
Speaker 1: But you know, to speak to to speak to eyewitnessing
Speaker 1: and the power of an individual experience is for instance,
Speaker 1: most crimes in this country don't get solved without eyewitnesses,
Speaker 1: people having given testimony to what they saw at the time.
Speaker 1: That may not have been significant on its own, but
Speaker 1: in the context of what's going on, it's like, oh, now,
Speaker 1: this makes sense. And so I am slow to underestimate
Speaker 1: or undermine the experiences that we get, the stories that
Speaker 1: are told, the images that we see from regular everyday people,
Speaker 1: because quite frankly, it's been every day regular people that
Speaker 1: have bust the cap off of a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that higher powers would have preferred, frankly to keep secret
Speaker 1: or to make sure is on. I mean, think about
Speaker 1: alien you know sightings, if you will, or foreign space
Speaker 1: and air traveling devices that we would not have known
Speaker 1: otherwise about. They could have been military experiments, it could
Speaker 1: have been training exercises, it could have been any of that.
Speaker 1: But they're not broadcasting that to us. It's people who
Speaker 1: were there can lay witness to it, took video and
Speaker 1: then we got to see and then guess what. The
Speaker 1: government then comes out later and says this was going on,
Speaker 1: this was going on, that's going on the absence of transparency.
Speaker 1: The government at least should know. In this example and
Speaker 1: in many others, I don't know, really, I don't know
Speaker 1: that it serves the country well for this many days
Speaker 1: to pass, for this many questions to be out there,
Speaker 1: And I think it can be instructive to an enemy
Speaker 1: potentially that no answers are being given. And so how
Speaker 1: long can I actually be in US airspace and conduct
Speaker 1: this kind of surveillance if it is or otherwise without
Speaker 1: it gaining the kind of alarm that you wouldn't typically
Speaker 1: think something like this would gain. Again, I'm not a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist necessarily, but I do know that it's been
Speaker 1: people who had blown the top off of a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff through through bearing witness that we can credit
Speaker 1: for what we know today.
Speaker 4: I just wonder about, Yes, transparency with the American people
Speaker 4: in our government is something we should demand at all times.
Speaker 3: We pay for it.
Speaker 4: I look at the dumbing down of the American electorate
Speaker 4: that we're dealing with, and I am a bit concerned
Speaker 4: about creating mass hysteria. But this is I mean, as
Speaker 4: it is happening now, But I don't know what creates.
Speaker 4: More like, let us figure out exactly what this is first,
Speaker 4: But if they have none.
Speaker 1: But if the government doesn't know, I would beg the
Speaker 1: question for me, how it is that flying vehicles that
Speaker 1: are not planes wherever sanctioned in the first place, if
Speaker 1: you don't have a radar systematic track, is faster? It correct?
Speaker 1: But also regulation can slow that down quite precipitously if
Speaker 1: it chooses to. It could say.
Speaker 4: Technology moves faster in legislation.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I'm saying at this point,
Speaker 1: first of all, jones have been around long enough, and
Speaker 1: the fact that they are getting larger they can be.
Speaker 4: And more sophisticated. Though, That's what I'm saying, like, maybe
Speaker 4: these are drones that are somehow new technology that's undetectable
Speaker 4: by you know, the most the fancies of America.
Speaker 3: The reasons tell asking the questions do we believe.
Speaker 4: I'm curious for both of y'all, do we actually believe
Speaker 4: that the American government does not know or do they know?
Speaker 4: And they're trying to manage perception.
Speaker 1: And again, my Lioness experiences is that they.
Speaker 3: Lioness fictional experience.
Speaker 4: You got to watch.
Speaker 1: Emulating art.
Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you one of the things that
Speaker 5: Secretary of Pete said in the interview was that there
Speaker 5: are thousands of things in the United States like airspace
Speaker 5: every day, and so even if you do have the
Speaker 5: technology to watch them, what is the thing that signals
Speaker 5: that it's a threat?
Speaker 3: And that I think is the backup.
Speaker 5: Now, not to get too far in the weeds, but
Speaker 5: like Homeland Security, you know staff or not at the department,
Speaker 5: but on the committee, and the amount of rigamarole around
Speaker 5: how they're spending research and development dollars and what companies
Speaker 5: are getting these RFPs and who's writing the RFPs to
Speaker 5: even discover any of this, how they're working with schools
Speaker 5: and centers of excellence to determine what the next frontier
Speaker 5: on research to be. So much of that money is
Speaker 5: wasted with government contractors that are just plugging their old
Speaker 5: friends from folks that they used to work with, rather
Speaker 5: than really going into the very thing that we need.
Speaker 1: So it could be way behind the So could believe
Speaker 1: that congressional committees may be on the latter end of
Speaker 1: hearing about what is.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that, no, I just can't share wholesale,
Speaker 3: We just can't share it.
Speaker 1: I think that the executive operates in a way that
Speaker 1: I think there is a lot of range there, and
Speaker 1: I think there's also a lot of range to what
Speaker 1: the story ultimately becomes that gets told by the executive branch.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. But classified documents are classified documents.
Speaker 5: And I will tell you I was surprised to hear
Speaker 5: National security advisors say that these are manned aerial vehicles.
Speaker 3: I was surprised to hear that. So that means they
Speaker 3: know they know enough.
Speaker 5: And maybe I don't know if that was something he
Speaker 5: disclosed that he wasn't supposed to, that was you know,
Speaker 5: that was originally classified.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying that alone. Says that you should
Speaker 3: have some type of ability to see.
Speaker 1: And I don't believe that they don't. She says that,
Speaker 1: I think that they aren't saying, and there lies the problem.
Speaker 5: Well, they need to classify it here and briefing something
Speaker 5: on it, and hopefully he comes they declassify it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: even declassification is decided up on above our pay grade.
Speaker 4: There is also a possibility, maybe even a probability, that
Speaker 4: there are functions of this government that function outside of
Speaker 4: the right, outside of the parameter. It's like, perhaps the
Speaker 4: true power brokers are, you know, the people we don't
Speaker 4: know about that.
Speaker 3: She's ye know what I'm saying, But this is true.
Speaker 3: There are so many people that are put like.
Speaker 5: People are mad at President Biden regularly for things that
Speaker 5: his very senior staff are advising him to do.
Speaker 3: Some things that he's never touching every day.
Speaker 5: He can't the number of things that the president of
Speaker 5: the United States has to has to do, it is
Speaker 5: impossible for him to do that.
Speaker 3: That is why the staff is so large. That is
Speaker 3: why the cabinet is so large.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think what you're getting at is
Speaker 1: that there are operations that are undertaken, very important and
Speaker 1: serious ones sledge of those who we elect to. The
Speaker 1: reason why we have an elected president is because we
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave.
Speaker 4: It to politics.
Speaker 5: There are quasi governmental entities that are venture capital funds
Speaker 5: for research and development purposes like they literally they have
Speaker 5: they have codified them, they were legislated. All of that exists,
Speaker 5: And that is true that that very rarely reaches the
Speaker 5: President's desk or the cabinet until they're ready to roll
Speaker 5: out there and.
Speaker 1: Other things that are stricterranean that we may know anyway,
Speaker 1: So you have been exposed to at least part of
Speaker 1: a conversation that can lead us down.
Speaker 3: A whole Uh showed him some money because.
Speaker 1: But is bom uh tiff Yes, where we're going from
Speaker 1: here to a break? Break? That's where we're going, all right, So.
Speaker 4: On the other side of the break, I there's you
Speaker 4: had a question about the electoral college, and Angela, I
Speaker 4: think you're gonna answer that. Yeah, So I want to
Speaker 4: hear that.
Speaker 6: M hm.
Speaker 7: Greeting's Native Land podcast.
Speaker 6: What's going on?
Speaker 7: Andrew Gillam my political correct brother. Hey, Tiffany Cross, my
Speaker 7: peace making sister, and to Angela rah, my militant sister.
Speaker 7: My name is Keith.
Speaker 3: I'm from DC.
Speaker 4: I got a favorite ask. I need you to help me.
Speaker 7: How can I approach presenting an electoral college revision that
Speaker 7: I have idea that I have to the Congress. How
Speaker 7: can you help me get on the floor of the
Speaker 7: Congressional to make my case for the American people to
Speaker 7: change the electoral college from all a none situation to
Speaker 7: a percentage and to recalibrate how we do the per
Speaker 7: rep allocation as far as population, I think it should
Speaker 7: based on a smaller state, which is Wyoming, and that
Speaker 7: everybody should get a rep for every five and eighty
Speaker 7: thousand population that they have in their state. Yes, this
Speaker 7: will increase the electorals across the country for a bunch
Speaker 7: of states. My name is Keith. I appreciate you taking
Speaker 7: my video.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Be blessed Angela. This is clearly one for you.
Speaker 1: But I think Keith got our signs wrong. Tiffany is
Speaker 1: not a piece maker, Keith. I'm trying to figure them.
Speaker 7: About.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, Keith, we appreciate your question. This
Speaker 5: is the second time you've been on the program. We
Speaker 5: are grateful for your return. Inn Lpfam.
Speaker 3: I would just say that I don't know of any
Speaker 3: way to get.
Speaker 5: A person, not just you, but a person onto the
Speaker 5: floor of Congress to present such proposals. I will say
Speaker 5: that in order for the Constitution to be amended, it
Speaker 5: does take an Act of Congress, a supermajority of the
Speaker 5: House and the Senate, or state conventions.
Speaker 3: Yes, state convention. So I think that that is a
Speaker 3: tall order.
Speaker 5: I would say more than revising the electoral college, I
Speaker 5: think this group collectively agrees with abolishing the thing. One
Speaker 5: thing that may be working in your favor for any
Speaker 5: proposal around electoral college changes is the fact that Jamie
Speaker 5: Raskin is now the incoming ranking member for the Judiciary Committee,
Speaker 5: and before he was a member of Congress, he actually
Speaker 5: had a whole proposal for what should happen with the
Speaker 5: electoral college and it being abolished.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to tell you, in all honesty, I
Speaker 1: just don't see any movement in that direction until both
Speaker 1: political parties feel that they're at a disadvantage to that system.
Speaker 1: Until that happens, which Republicans are not going to be
Speaker 1: close to app to doing because they're the ones who
Speaker 1: benefit most from the existing system. But unless they come together,
Speaker 1: there's no way you get to those of the legislatures
Speaker 1: in this country to move in that direction, even toward
Speaker 1: a convention, constitutional convention, toward that kind of change. I
Speaker 1: do think that shouldn't squeil quail our advocacy to round
Speaker 1: what's right. I just think the change is likely to
Speaker 1: happen when both parties determine it to be a political disadvantage.
Speaker 5: Do you guys think that, let's say that Donald Trump
Speaker 5: looks like he's getting rid of the FBI as we
Speaker 5: know it, they come together and say we actually want
Speaker 5: to abolish the electoral college.
Speaker 4: What else do you do?
Speaker 5: You think they would need to do to start lining
Speaker 5: up votes of the disadvantage the least of these some
Speaker 5: folks who are the people of color.
Speaker 3: I think that if they start doing things that are bold.
Speaker 5: Like that, where it looks like, oh, all the places
Speaker 5: where y'all have been locked out or been systematically disenfranchised
Speaker 5: or targeted, we're taking these.
Speaker 3: Things out, I think they make some real big inroads
Speaker 3: doing that.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, I could see it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do think that that is a sweet spot
Speaker 1: if you have a change agent and the white host
Speaker 1: who's prepared to say, let's turn the table all the
Speaker 1: way over, and that person is able to bring historic
Speaker 1: opponents of ours to the table just by their person,
Speaker 1: people who disagree with the idea. But if you disagree
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and you're in the Republican Party, that's
Speaker 1: an obituary, right, I mean, you're signing your death warrant
Speaker 1: if you're an elective office. I think he's moved things
Speaker 1: that way, and I think potentially, should there be convergence
Speaker 1: on an issue where we can agree, change can't happen.
Speaker 1: I don't see it happening there again, because the political
Speaker 1: disadvantage is too much of a downside.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it wouldn't benefit him. I also think for
Speaker 4: us to really change democracy, we are going to have
Speaker 4: to tap into those folks who didn't participate, who didn't
Speaker 4: built disenfranchised. And the issue for a lot of the
Speaker 4: people who fall in that category is not the electoral college.
Speaker 4: Like when you start getting deep into policy and like
Speaker 4: the structure, it's like, look, I don't give a shit
Speaker 4: about that I'm talking about, Like my neighborhood has been
Speaker 4: dilapidated my entire life. This is my grandmama house. We
Speaker 4: still hear and things look the same. So I don't
Speaker 4: know if that's what's I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you can connection, we have to then make right,
Speaker 1: Like the reason why we can't get none of what
Speaker 1: we want, Yes, it is because the system is biased
Speaker 1: towards us. We have to break it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I think they would do better with
Speaker 4: something else other than the electro hall that they're trying
Speaker 4: to do that, But I don't it's such as.
Speaker 3: I layered that in FBI, because FBI.
Speaker 4: Is such a far fetched type ofthatical I can't even
Speaker 4: imagine them doing like they benefit from that, you know, So.
Speaker 1: I don't see standard Democrats at this time, with this
Speaker 1: president being willing to change anything, I think they become
Speaker 1: apoplectic about change to an institution if it comes from
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. This is why I think Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: the potential to hit on some common cause with disenfranchised communities.
Speaker 1: Be it the right thing. It ain't going to be
Speaker 1: turning a federal military against Americans or people who were
Speaker 1: happened to be brown. But if he found an issue
Speaker 1: where we could legitimately believe that the outcome will be
Speaker 1: better for us, I think there's some common cause there.
Speaker 1: I just justice, I have an ear. I just am
Speaker 1: not certain if his deconstruction of the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: as we know it only is to the end that
Speaker 1: it doesn't get to target him, but that the rest
Speaker 1: of us continue to be targeting.
Speaker 4: There's nothing this administration can say to me that would
Speaker 4: dear trust or faith. You cannot say in one breath,
Speaker 4: I am going to turn the US military against American citizens,
Speaker 4: and then the next breath, I'm going to abol as Fatbi.
Speaker 4: It doesn't compute for me, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: And I think there are pockets of people in this country.
Speaker 4: We had a debate about this in our group chat
Speaker 4: about who's considered dumb and who's considered smart. And I
Speaker 4: have this debate all the time, and I'll be honest,
Speaker 4: and sometimes the chiefe stands alone. I might stand alone
Speaker 4: the day we have to acknowledge there are dumb people
Speaker 4: in this country. Okay, there are dumb people who made
Speaker 4: dumb voting choices. Sadly, being ill informed or uninformed is
Speaker 4: not a partisan issue. It transcends all socioeconomics. Even when
Speaker 4: Obama was getting elected, like after the election and pre inauguration,
Speaker 4: there were so many people who like in sound bites
Speaker 4: and say like, oh my god, like the streets outside
Speaker 4: my house are about to be smoother, and you know,
Speaker 4: my grandmother, this neighborhood is going to look better. And
Speaker 4: I remember the Daily Show John Stewart like ransom clips
Speaker 4: and I'm like, Obama ain't got none new with any
Speaker 4: of that, you know, And it's okay to acknowledge, Like, yes, people,
Speaker 4: these things in particular have made us dumber and made
Speaker 4: us die. I know you may disagree, but it's not
Speaker 4: just these but everything has just made us dumber. And
Speaker 4: it's like we have to tap into that curiosity at
Speaker 4: least so you don't fall for the okie do.
Speaker 1: What I would apply is not smart dumb to it,
Speaker 1: because I think the example you gave is an example
Speaker 1: of people being like blindly optimistic about the power of
Speaker 1: government and really the power of a person.
Speaker 4: Is that because I'm saying it about Obama, though, what
Speaker 4: about these Trump people.
Speaker 1: Would be the same, right? I think there is a vision,
Speaker 1: there's an optimism that they have for the change they
Speaker 1: want to see happen in their lives, which is without regret,
Speaker 1: which is without regard to what you may ascribe to
Speaker 1: that person. Obama had the benefit of when he ran
Speaker 1: that we all projected onto He was a whiteboard and
Speaker 1: we projected our highest hopes, dreams, possibilities. He could have
Speaker 1: almost talked about nothing but hope and change, and we
Speaker 1: would have still said he is running on this issue,
Speaker 1: this issue, in this issue, because that's the kind of
Speaker 1: blind optimism. I think he was afforded, and I think
Speaker 1: that that exists without regard to partisanship that people when
Speaker 1: it comes to voting. I think it isn't so much
Speaker 1: the ignorance. There couldn't be ignorance around the facts. But
Speaker 1: what I think there isn't ignorance around is a lived
Speaker 1: experience and whether or not you think somebody sees you,
Speaker 1: that's right. And if you think they do, I think
Speaker 1: we have a higher likelihood of ascribing to them the
Speaker 1: things that we think they're going.
Speaker 6: To do for us.
Speaker 1: I agree with that and are then wildly disappointed when
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, even though he ain't. Never tell you that.
Speaker 5: She did, and he still didn't have any intent on
Speaker 5: changing it. Like the prices of groceries which we saw recently,
Speaker 5: Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Completely chip no power over. I will say this, I
Speaker 3: think we.
Speaker 5: Spent a lot of time calling folks dumb when they
Speaker 5: are smart or have chosen to use their brilliance in
Speaker 5: different ways, and I think this next question is a
Speaker 5: good example of that.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 6: Hello Native Lampind. My name is Sean Rouge Junior. I'm
Speaker 6: twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: I live in Atlanta, Georgia, and I go to GSU.
Speaker 6: I wanted to weigh in on the philosophical question because
Speaker 6: I'm learning and will continue to learn and truly experiencing
Speaker 6: that history will always repeat itself through moments of revolution
Speaker 6: and change, the Haitian Revolution, the Civil War, the Reconstruction,
Speaker 6: and the Civil rights movement. It has always been bloody.
Speaker 6: It has always been violence. I truly believe, as not
Speaker 6: only black people, but as citizens of that and stays,
Speaker 6: we will be kidding ourselves to not understand that this
Speaker 6: nation has been built upon violence. Our freedom has been
Speaker 6: contingent on violence, and honestly, violence has been a necessity
Speaker 6: in freedom. The oppressor has always had the upper hand
Speaker 6: and the oppressed has always been late to the party.
Speaker 6: But once the oppressed come, we shut it down. It
Speaker 6: just don't get a little crazy. And what we have
Speaker 6: to also understand is that the oppressors have built an
Speaker 6: entire base who has been training their children to.
Speaker 1: Be comfortable with guns since out the wound. So we
Speaker 1: have to be prepared and we have to understand it.
Speaker 3: To me, this is about what people choose to use
Speaker 3: their brilliance on.
Speaker 5: Like there are a lot of folks who are the
Speaker 5: proletariat who were like, oh, they just don't get it.
Speaker 3: They just don't know. They just our podcast is above
Speaker 3: their head.
Speaker 5: We're two in the weeds. But they can break down
Speaker 5: an entire GNX Kendrick Lamar album. They can rock with
Speaker 5: somebody who is a Pulitzer winning genius. They can figure
Speaker 5: it out. So you can figure out anything you put
Speaker 5: your time in your mind to and your energy to.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying he got a whole theory about why
Speaker 5: the violent take by force to use a scripture, a
Speaker 5: whole theory. I'm not calling him done by the way.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, we use the yeah, how we
Speaker 5: want to. And so I'm just saying, it's not that
Speaker 5: people aren't. It's that they haven't chosen to lean in
Speaker 5: in a certain way, or they haven't chosen our particular
Speaker 5: path or don't have our particular POV, either by experience
Speaker 5: or because lack of research or whatever. But to me,
Speaker 5: it was just an interesting, Okay, you got a whole
Speaker 5: theory about why this went down this way. I still
Speaker 5: don't support.
Speaker 4: Because you said this before when we were talking about
Speaker 4: is it safer in the shallow or the deep? And
Speaker 4: I kept saying, like, you know, whatever examples I kept giving,
Speaker 4: you were like, this is the third time that you've
Speaker 4: like equated deep with like a certain level of intellect,
Speaker 4: you know, And I was like, oh, that is true.
Speaker 4: I didn't mean to do that. I think this might
Speaker 4: be a little different, to be clear, When I like
Speaker 4: this man's like, I like what he's saying too. So
Speaker 4: we're just using him as an example to make a
Speaker 4: point about where people because he's clearly using his brilliance
Speaker 4: in a way like historically, Like he just dropped a
Speaker 4: whole word right there.
Speaker 3: Even with his last question, like he's a very smart student,
Speaker 3: Like yeah.
Speaker 4: I will still be the cheese that stands alone and say, yes,
Speaker 4: there are people who have brilliance in all areas. There
Speaker 4: are people like you know I've said there are people
Speaker 4: who can name every senator on Capitol Hill. I don't
Speaker 4: think they're brilliant, Like you didn't worked up there twenty years. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you ought to be able to name every center there,
Speaker 4: Like right, that's information, that's a muscle memory that you've
Speaker 4: you have the ability to collect information rights.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: That's not where I'm saying brilliance to me. Curiosity is
Speaker 4: that's enough right there. Curiosity is enough right there for
Speaker 4: me to say, at least you are curious enough to
Speaker 4: care about something. What I'm seeing more and more people
Speaker 4: lack of curiosity to care about anything. It is the
Speaker 4: selfie generation. It is the generation that I can build
Speaker 4: an empire to myself because social media has democratized everything,
Speaker 4: including who gets to believe they are his celebrity. It
Speaker 4: is the generation of I care more about my lashes
Speaker 4: than I do about policies that impact my life. And
Speaker 4: when I see that, I confront it, when I've interacted
Speaker 4: with it, when I've had conversations with it, and I'm
Speaker 4: just like, this is the continuing dumbing down of the
Speaker 4: American people. It's not because I don't even think if
Speaker 4: you didn't vote, you know, not smart. I don't think that,
Speaker 4: Like I completely acknowledge there are so many intellectual people.
Speaker 4: Somebody who I think is so intelligent and has such
Speaker 4: interesting perspectives and things to say because I've spoken to
Speaker 4: him privately and I watch him publicly. It's plies like
Speaker 4: I know applies as like, oh, some silliness on. But
Speaker 4: when that brother starts talking about policy and things that
Speaker 4: he cares about, I'm like, that's a good ass point.
Speaker 4: Like some of the things he's saying is things that
Speaker 4: I had not thought about. And I know that specific
Speaker 4: to politics, but there are other things that people can
Speaker 4: talk to me about that I just find them so
Speaker 4: like you're curious, like you've taught me something.
Speaker 1: The cleverness of it is the ability to take because
Speaker 1: he doesn't exit his lane. He's still showing, and not
Speaker 1: just him. There are others. When she was talking about
Speaker 1: when she talked me about her, I was just like, holy,
Speaker 1: like she has social security because she took what is
Speaker 1: largely complex yes, with many layers to it, and went
Speaker 1: dead ass to the point yes. And people who do that,
Speaker 1: I think that is a skill. Now, what I also
Speaker 1: think is the value judgment on positive, negative, smart, dumb,
Speaker 1: those sort of paradigms that we find ourselves is probably
Speaker 1: less helpful in trying to understand I think human experience.
Speaker 1: It sounds me, but I just mean I think in
Speaker 1: trying to trying to really understand where people are, where
Speaker 1: they're coming from, I think it's less useful in the
Speaker 1: sense that I used to. I remember as a mayor
Speaker 1: is will come in to contact with people who wanted
Speaker 1: me to get there so security checks. They want me
Speaker 1: to solve this problem. So I'm thinking, now, this ain't
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with local government. This that and
Speaker 1: the third Now that didn't mean that we didn't activate
Speaker 1: to try to get in connection with the right people.
Speaker 1: So they were absent certain knowledge about the process, but
Speaker 1: their need was very clear. And that's sort of how
Speaker 1: I've started to see most people as people activate from
Speaker 1: a place of need, what their need and what they
Speaker 1: want is, and even are asked for people to be curious.
Speaker 1: I hate to repeat this line, but it's also a
Speaker 1: bit of a luxury in the sense that most people time,
Speaker 1: attention effort is occupied by the thing that concerns them,
Speaker 1: confronts them the most, and most of those things are
Speaker 1: really basic in nature. But basic doesn't mean accessible, right
Speaker 1: it is. So, for instance, I'm mostly concerned out my children,
Speaker 1: the kids they're coming in contact with, how to hell
Speaker 1: I'm gonna deal with these cell phones and their tablets
Speaker 1: right now from the standpoint of just negotiating, And I
Speaker 1: realize that even what I'm right now articulating as a
Speaker 1: really big key concern is very different than how somebody
Speaker 1: else's more basic function or need might be. So I
Speaker 1: would say, when I refer to a more basic need
Speaker 1: that someone would have, it's Maslow's hierarchy, not whether my
Speaker 1: kid's tablet is going to drive them off in a
Speaker 1: direction to become awful humans and who they're being taught
Speaker 1: by that are not me and their mom and their teachers.
Speaker 1: But as far as I'm concerned, if you debase that,
Speaker 1: and you delegitimize that, then I can't hear you because
Speaker 1: you can't see me first. And I think that's where
Speaker 1: we are with the larger public. If we delegitimize certain things,
Speaker 1: than anything we say following is of no sense and
Speaker 1: no importance because we haven't seen them first. And I
Speaker 1: think that our that.
Speaker 5: Happened with the election in the economy, you know, like
Speaker 5: in a in a like an alarming way, So anybody
Speaker 5: who even had curiosity turned off, like you're telling me
Speaker 5: this economy is great, My eggs are eleven dollars.
Speaker 4: You know, that's an area where I'm ignorant. I can't
Speaker 4: really always tell you what the economy is. And I
Speaker 4: would argue most people can't because right like what is
Speaker 4: the economy? And most people they were they were economy
Speaker 4: is the markets?
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 5: There was a macro economy issue and versus a micro economy.
Speaker 3: Issue, and there was a complete.
Speaker 5: Blind spot by the people that we vote for on
Speaker 5: the micro economy. Speaking of being micro, we're going to
Speaker 5: be extra micro and takes.
Speaker 1: A break out such a that connection is really important.
Speaker 1: Lost it getting up here talking about with the best economy,
Speaker 1: the highest value we navigating. We were doing that, No,
Speaker 1: not us talking about but we also didn't call it
Speaker 1: that in the moment.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: We also didn't call it in the moment.
Speaker 4: Which was we did sometimes I was just keep rolling.
Speaker 1: I just I just think it was an important point
Speaker 1: you just brought out about the blind spot that happened
Speaker 1: there and the fact that none of us called I
Speaker 1: don't think we called it out as loudly and proudly
Speaker 1: as we should have in real time because you telling
Speaker 1: me how good we navigated COVID, yes versus other developed nations?
Speaker 3: Is somebody still died in your family?
Speaker 1: Were still are you saying that we rebounded quicker and
Speaker 1: faster and didn't go to the depth of my friend we.
Speaker 5: Got that PPP loan is now facing prosecution because they
Speaker 5: just followed.
Speaker 3: They listened to somebody who told them.
Speaker 5: Everybody that got PPP loans and did it ethically or
Speaker 5: illegally didn't do that on purpose. Some of them were
Speaker 5: told that they could get this support its available to them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ignorance to the law, unfortunately, is no defense, right
Speaker 4: defense exactly. And I have a lot of ignorance to laws,
Speaker 4: you know, And it's terrifying. Well, I mean for me, I,
Speaker 4: you know, having come from below the poverty line, and
Speaker 4: then you start getting checks that are you know, big,
Speaker 4: and ain't no taxes coming out, you know. Even I'll
Speaker 4: tell y'all, when I first started getting checks and taxes
Speaker 4: were coming out, I had that mentality that I'm not
Speaker 4: paying this mortgage until I absolutely have to pay this mortgage.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna pay this light bill until it's absolutely time.
Speaker 4: In my twenties, I think I waited until if it
Speaker 4: was due on the fifteenth, I'm gonna pay it on
Speaker 4: the fifteenth, because the mentality was anything could pop off
Speaker 4: at any minute, and I might need this money, right,
Speaker 4: and if I got savings, you have, it's safer right here, right.
Speaker 4: And if I gotta choose between helping my mom with
Speaker 4: something paying his light bill, I'll light some candles to
Speaker 4: make sure that mom A's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get enough grace with the company. They're gonna
Speaker 1: give me fifteen more days, and by then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: turn another miracle. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And at the end of that fifteen days, I mailed
Speaker 4: the check I don't know what, and then another fifteen
Speaker 4: days like Okay, I'm gonna come down there, but I
Speaker 4: got a flat tire I'm paying for, you know, like
Speaker 4: you learn.
Speaker 5: A when you have to.
Speaker 4: I do want to be clear, I'm not talking about
Speaker 4: because I hear you, I hear your point. I'm not
Speaker 4: talking about people with access. I'm talking about privileged people
Speaker 4: who choose ignorance.
Speaker 1: You know, their choices. I'm not gonna but I don't
Speaker 1: know you have the greater the luxury is.
Speaker 4: And that is the part that's frustrating to me, because
Speaker 4: I listen to people and it's like, and I know
Speaker 4: I have ignorances.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you somebody who I feel like he frequently
Speaker 4: talks over my head and I make myself watch him
Speaker 4: over and over. John Oliver. John Oliver. Yes, he's a comedian,
Speaker 4: but he's really smart from a global perspective. I have
Speaker 4: to watch his shows two or three times to understand it.
Speaker 4: Some of these are yes, yeah, yeah. The things he
Speaker 4: talks about, like and he dumbed, And I always tell people,
Speaker 4: dumb it down. For me, I learned that way. Dumb
Speaker 4: it put it in the most basic terms for me.
Speaker 4: I'll even say, explain it to me, like you explain
Speaker 4: it to a five year old. I don't have no
Speaker 4: ego around that, Like, just give it to me the
Speaker 4: way I can take it. I'm talking about people who
Speaker 4: have access to all of that and you want to
Speaker 4: you know, post Jo, I'm voting sticker because it's cool
Speaker 4: and it's cute, but you don't really you ain't really
Speaker 4: out here in this game. I'll say, Angela. A lot
Speaker 4: so many people, young people, but even like peers, I
Speaker 4: think they have a desire to do what you do,
Speaker 4: you know, And I'll ask, well, what does Angela do that?
Speaker 4: What are you trying to do that Angela does. They
Speaker 4: have a desire to be the exterior her, but they
Speaker 4: do not have the desire to do the work, you know.
Speaker 4: They don't have the desire to be up calling people,
Speaker 4: ask them to sign on to those legislations. They don't
Speaker 4: have the desire to door knock. They don't have the
Speaker 4: desire to work on Capitol Hill when it ain't glamorous,
Speaker 4: you know. But they do have the desire to walk
Speaker 4: on the red carpet, to date who you dated, you know,
Speaker 4: to look how you look them anyway. But that's that
Speaker 4: is the thing they desire the business. And I can
Speaker 4: say that was never your desire. You know, your desire
Speaker 4: wasn't to be like but right, your desire. You didn't
Speaker 4: want to become the governor of Florida because you want
Speaker 4: a private driver and because you you know, because you
Speaker 4: wanted like to live in the governor's.
Speaker 1: Man and wife. When we were trying to talk to
Speaker 1: the State security about what life was supposed to look like,
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm driving my own kids to school. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they're driving right right, You're like, Jay, No,
Speaker 1: I'm like, there are other considerations here, but these were
Speaker 1: things I hadn't thought about. So you're right, those are
Speaker 1: the people.
Speaker 4: Wasn't an ambition when I say dumb, like, those are
Speaker 4: the people I'm talking about, because it's like you just
Speaker 4: out here just even I don't know if I want
Speaker 4: to like y'all. Just don't like the word done. I
Speaker 4: don't think you know what it is.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 5: It flattens nuance, and I think I think what bothers
Speaker 5: me the most about it?
Speaker 3: Even when I say it it is late.
Speaker 5: It's a lazy approach for me because now the same
Speaker 5: curiosity that you want them to use, we're not using
Speaker 5: about them.
Speaker 4: I do use that curiosity, I probe. I ask people
Speaker 4: all the time, but where did you get that from?
Speaker 4: Where did you hear that?
Speaker 1: She?
Speaker 5: But I'm saying like when now? But now there's a
Speaker 5: blanket dumb. Right, let's say there's a blanket dumb attached
Speaker 5: to them. There may be other reasons, like maybe somebody
Speaker 5: said they wanted to do a carpet because when it
Speaker 5: was little, they Daddy told them they were never going
Speaker 5: to be nothing, and that was their way to show
Speaker 5: them that they were going to be something.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that that is the look at her face.
Speaker 4: I mean, because I don't know.
Speaker 1: It also.
Speaker 4: Trauma that doesn't absolve you from the lack of curiosity
Speaker 4: and the lack of desire to do the work to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 3: Maybe they just don't know. Maybe the privileges we know,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 6: Even have to.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have to be that graceful about
Speaker 1: gracious graceful or.
Speaker 4: Gracious grateful in her graciousness.
Speaker 1: So I don't think we have to. I don't think
Speaker 1: we have to come up with reasons as to why
Speaker 1: people make the choices they make, because I think part
Speaker 1: of our curiosity has to be that they have a
Speaker 1: reason for I mean, we have to make allowance for
Speaker 1: the fact that there may be a reason for why
Speaker 1: this person is so obsessive becoming the next stephalopagus, not
Speaker 1: all of the lash of the lashes. It's a lot,
Speaker 1: it's a lot to have to deal with. But but
Speaker 1: but as you talk about, can we you know, what
Speaker 1: about their earlier life experience would have led them to
Speaker 1: the value that I'm going to place on my brilliance
Speaker 1: and what I contribute is going to be on my exterior.
Speaker 1: And you can't read what's in my head, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, very few people have value for what's in
Speaker 1: my head. Yeah, And so I've now put value on
Speaker 1: these sorts of things, and that that choice is a
Speaker 1: conscious one and not an unconscious one. I just hate
Speaker 1: folks moving around your life out.
Speaker 4: That was the best way to say it. I just
Speaker 4: want a conscious choice, not an unconscious conscious choice to
Speaker 4: remain in a space of ignorance, as I myself have
Speaker 4: made that conscious choice before, which is not a good elections.
Speaker 1: I almost make it you and a lotteral around elections
Speaker 1: that are lost because I'm going to make the conscious
Speaker 1: choice not to plug in.
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you where you plugged in.
Speaker 5: I laugh at those of you who said this is
Speaker 5: going to be a forty five minute podcast, because no
Speaker 5: it is not.
Speaker 1: And so now but we are at the forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: so we can say thank you for listening, we got
Speaker 1: more stuff. We are.
Speaker 4: Only because I was the main one saying we're running
Speaker 4: out of time, but I push this question and we
Speaker 4: are okay for a few more minutes.
Speaker 1: I appreciate us taking this welcome them home, no pun intended, deepening.
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's so important for us to
Speaker 5: do this because in organic people permission to do the
Speaker 5: same thing and the thing that I seriously I love
Speaker 5: about y'all. I hate to say this all the time
Speaker 5: over and over again, but it's so true. I love
Speaker 5: that you will stretch me outside of my comfort zone
Speaker 5: same that it was like, you will push me to
Speaker 5: be like do we really need it's just done? It's
Speaker 5: like I want that nuance. I think it's so important
Speaker 5: because there are folks dealing with this at home, at work,
Speaker 5: oh my god, at work after on the other side
Speaker 5: of it's inauguration. I feel so bad for folks, Like,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's going to be really brutal.
Speaker 1: Sure, I wonder is there a takeaway on this conversation
Speaker 1: that we can leave I want to be leave it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think this is an ongoing conversation. I'm
Speaker 4: sure y'all got y'all gonna drag me in a comments try.
Speaker 4: I have a lot of things to say about my
Speaker 4: thoughts on but I do want to be clear that
Speaker 4: because someone is and curious and intelligent and not an
Speaker 4: intellectual doesn't mean you can't be a good person, kind
Speaker 4: hearted people. And I will say some people I know
Speaker 4: who are so unplugged have the ability to be kind hearted.
Speaker 4: Like sometimes I wake up angry because I know too much,
Speaker 4: right because I know too much, and I know after
Speaker 4: the election, even right now, I'm not as plugged in,
Speaker 4: and I feel less ankst. You know, I just don't
Speaker 4: have the luxury not of living in a space of
Speaker 4: ignorance forever. But I do try to understand those people.
Speaker 4: And when I say, like, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of dumb people out there, it's not like you're dumb
Speaker 4: so you don't deserve anything. You're dumb, so you don't
Speaker 4: deserve to know me or talk to me. You're dumb,
Speaker 4: so you don't deserve to have a life of safety
Speaker 4: and you know of even wealth if you want it.
Speaker 4: But it is frustrating because your comfortable ignorance makes it
Speaker 4: so much harder for the rest of us to who
Speaker 4: really want to do the work. And I'm offended at
Speaker 4: people who say I want to be like Angela Rye,
Speaker 4: but you really don't want to, you know, like you
Speaker 4: want to you want the glory without knowing the full story.
Speaker 4: Or even people say, you know, I want to do
Speaker 4: what you do, and it's like, what do I do?
Speaker 4: People who think I was on TV given opinions, you know,
Speaker 4: or when I first got my show, I remember a
Speaker 4: lot of people saying I want to do that, like
Speaker 4: you's so lucky. Ain't no luck over here? Like I
Speaker 4: didn't work there. I've worked in every newsroom, did every
Speaker 4: shitty assignment, like work for twenty plus years on the right,
Speaker 4: been working for twenty I want to do what you do.
Speaker 4: I want to be governor really you want to run
Speaker 4: for SDA president, you want to be.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who says, Sean, y'all knowman, He says,
Speaker 1: when you all make it look so easy, everybody thinks
Speaker 1: they can do it. Yes, and I want to That's true,
Speaker 1: by the way, for across a lot of fields, a
Speaker 1: lot of folks look like they are effortless in their brilliance.
Speaker 3: But that's also because it's a calling, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that I think it's a calling. I also
Speaker 1: think that these people really really hard and guess what
Speaker 1: they're they're highlight reel doesn't begin to tell the fact
Speaker 1: that their overnight story began decades ago. That's right, that
Speaker 1: you know that this thing, whatever it is that you
Speaker 1: are are are complimenting at this point and wanted to emulate,
Speaker 1: didn't begin at the moment you discovered who I was.
Speaker 3: Hours ago at least, however, right, but but.
Speaker 1: But not now. And if I had a frustration, it
Speaker 1: is not around the willful ignorance. The wilf ignorance is
Speaker 1: very frustrating because you know better, my mamma say, you
Speaker 1: know better, you do better, you know better, and you
Speaker 1: chose not to do. But it is, it is, it
Speaker 1: is really reserved for those or for those individuals who
Speaker 1: y'all are. I would just describe it as opportunistic and
Speaker 1: way in such a way that you can absolutely turn
Speaker 1: off your sympathy, your acknowledgement, you or whatever of this
Speaker 1: whole big thing that you won't you know, exists, they
Speaker 1: know better and do wors do worse, right, for opportunistic reasons,
Speaker 1: you have now turned off.
Speaker 3: It's a whole Yeah, it's a whole bunch of frush.
Speaker 1: And I'm seeing it now in Florida. And you know,
Speaker 1: we just had this one. Democrats are already at the
Speaker 1: bottom with clitical representation, gets elected from a Democratic district
Speaker 1: that has just switched to a Republican Party turncoat, right,
Speaker 1: and then you had all these others out there caping,
Speaker 1: repeating stuff that not only if you were honest about it,
Speaker 1: would embarrass yourself, but you know it's embarrassing to your
Speaker 1: mom and your daddy. Yeah, tripling because there's a check
Speaker 1: on the other side for you. That that is that
Speaker 1: burns me. That level of optimism burns me.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 4: I love this conversation because it was an organ it
Speaker 4: so I know we didn't get the chance to talk
Speaker 4: about what's next for vice president here is so that's
Speaker 4: gonna be the first topic when we come back. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and we'll save that for January. But I want to
Speaker 4: ask you guys, how you're planning on maintaining your peace
Speaker 4: because we I mean, buckle up. You know, twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five is going to be a lot Angela, especially for you,
Speaker 4: you know, everything you going through with your mom, just
Speaker 4: the politics, you know, Andrew for you. I mean, I
Speaker 4: I was with a friend of mine and his three kids,
Speaker 4: and I was like, ain't no way, Like I couldn't,
Speaker 4: I cannot. Anytime one had to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 4: he would have to get.
Speaker 1: All of them gone to take any time after one
Speaker 1: goes comes back, then the next one, Daddy all have
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 4: But they're little, so they all have to go at
Speaker 4: the same time. And it was stressing me out and
Speaker 4: me and everything I have going on. So I'm just
Speaker 4: curious how you are. What is your plan to curate
Speaker 4: and protect your peace?
Speaker 1: Guru of health and well being? You at least tell
Speaker 1: it you. I don't know how much of it you That's.
Speaker 4: What I because the Anzel talks about it. But I'm like,
Speaker 4: how much of.
Speaker 3: That are you really doing well?
Speaker 5: I have asked my therapist. I was like, I need
Speaker 5: to go back to weekly therapy session stopped. Yeah, No,
Speaker 5: it wasn't on purpose. It was just like it was
Speaker 5: so so like crazy with like our schedule, it just
Speaker 5: was impossible to schedule.
Speaker 3: So it's supposed to start today.
Speaker 5: And speaking of schedule, because we decided to shoot for
Speaker 5: a full day, I couldn't do it today. So I'm
Speaker 5: gonna start next Monday. But therapy for sure for the
Speaker 5: rage that I'm feeling about this election, the betrayal by
Speaker 5: the country, my own frustrations would just like places where
Speaker 5: I feel like I shouldn't be, you know, Like I
Speaker 5: just want to come to terms with that and accept it,
Speaker 5: and I think the acceptance alone will quiet some of
Speaker 5: the rage.
Speaker 3: I'm not there yet, honestly, Like I just am.
Speaker 5: I still am like what if there was what if
Speaker 5: it was stolen you know, you know, or whatever else,
Speaker 5: or like why with my mom, I just feel like
Speaker 5: this time of the year. Last Christmas, we were gearing
Speaker 5: up for the first Christmas without my grandmother being here anymore.
Speaker 5: She died one hundred and five the February prior and
Speaker 5: her birthdays on Christmas, so we did a big Christmas
Speaker 5: celebration for her. But my mom also wanted a big
Speaker 5: Christmas because she'd just been diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer.
Speaker 5: This Christmas, we were coming into my mom being completely
Speaker 5: whole and free and now coming back into well, now
Speaker 5: we have to do a liver biopsy to see if
Speaker 5: it might have spread. And the anger I feel to
Speaker 5: the system is like, why wouldn't you do a whole
Speaker 5: body scan without telling her she's clear, go to rehabilitation.
Speaker 5: So the thing that has been most joyful for me,
Speaker 5: and that is the moments for she's just like and
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you moved back home permanently and not
Speaker 5: going back and forth.
Speaker 3: And that just feels precious. And what is what has
Speaker 3: been humbling to.
Speaker 5: Me about it is for everybody who I couldn't understand
Speaker 5: prioritizing the election as the most important thing. The moment
Speaker 5: things shifted with my mom's health, I got it. The
Speaker 5: moment it shifted, I got it. And so it's it
Speaker 5: deepened me into compassion for people who it might not
Speaker 5: be their parents, it might be their child. It might
Speaker 5: not be their child, It might be them, you know,
Speaker 5: it may it may have been a complete destruction on
Speaker 5: the other side of a hurricane, and we're like, why
Speaker 5: couldn't you just phoney up and get back home?
Speaker 3: Like it just humbled me.
Speaker 5: So I think that's where I'm at, just like tapping
Speaker 5: in with staying human, staying humble, staying available and open
Speaker 5: and accessible to perspectives and lived experiences that are completely
Speaker 5: different from mine. I feel like that's the only way
Speaker 5: to get to the other side.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sorry you feel like that might be
Speaker 4: where the piece is. On the other if I gotta
Speaker 4: listen to a bunch of foolishness like that, because that's
Speaker 4: going to disrupt my peace. No, you're saying you're open,
Speaker 4: saying open minded to listen to other perspectives. And it's
Speaker 4: like us is like that.
Speaker 1: The suspending of judgment is where the piece is.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: When you suspend with the judgment, I think then you're
Speaker 1: not you're not let up or let down by what
Speaker 1: the person that has to say. It is just what
Speaker 1: they is. It's just what it is, is what it is.
Speaker 1: And I think for me, you know, early in couples counseling,
Speaker 1: you know, Jay would uh you know mentioned often to
Speaker 1: the councilor how you know, I would just sort of
Speaker 1: and fights, just sort of reserve myself, like not say
Speaker 1: a whole bunch and let her do the yelling at me.
Speaker 1: And then and this, that and the third, and I
Speaker 1: remember the therapist saying that is still a reaction that
Speaker 1: even when you're in these fights, these heated moments where
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the person you're arguing with is is yelling, screaming,
Speaker 1: you know, looking like they're about to rip your face off.
Speaker 1: Your choice either not to meet them at that same energy,
Speaker 1: but you may be meeting them at a different level
Speaker 1: of energy. And what's your level of energy may be
Speaker 1: is dismissal for indifference or all these other things. So
Speaker 1: you are having a reaction, and just because you may
Speaker 1: not be emoting that reaction doesn't mean you're not having one.
Speaker 1: And I think what I would and what that leads to,
Speaker 1: let me finish the thought. What that leads to is
Speaker 1: these explosive moments where I have a real big reaction,
Speaker 1: real big feeling. And it isn't that moment that I'm
Speaker 1: dealing with currently that is causing it. It is the
Speaker 1: build up of all those moments where my choice of
Speaker 1: a reaction was okay, all right, and then that thing
Speaker 1: is through and over with because I know I'm angry.
Speaker 1: I know that there is a stirring in me, even
Speaker 1: at the point that I am choosing to keep it
Speaker 1: under wraps, and that's not helpful to my that's not
Speaker 1: helpful to my spirit, my physical health, it's bad for
Speaker 1: your physical health. It's not helpful to me mentally in
Speaker 1: some ways because I never get allow myself constructive release.
Speaker 1: The release is almost going to when it comes, is
Speaker 1: going to be one that's explosive and likely not for
Speaker 1: the moment that I'm in. The reaction is not going
Speaker 1: to meet the moment that I'm in. It's going to
Speaker 1: be explosive to the moment that I'm in. So in
Speaker 1: this conversation around sort of hire you better taking care
Speaker 1: of yourself mental and so for me, it's going to
Speaker 1: be trying to say the thing when I'm feeling it,
Speaker 1: and that still doesn't mean it has to be loud
Speaker 1: and explosive, but it could be a release rather than
Speaker 1: a bottling up, and that I think that will help
Speaker 1: me health wise, personal health wise, but also my mental
Speaker 1: state as well. And trying to be as present as
Speaker 1: I can in these moments, which again they say with
Speaker 1: kids that the days are long, but the years are short.
Speaker 1: As I look at my daughter's skyrocketing in her height
Speaker 1: and my son, you know, having intelligent conversations. You know,
Speaker 1: as he's playing the game boy over the phone, I'm
Speaker 1: listening to them like way to ease dropping, And I'm like, god, wait,
Speaker 1: that's I'm proud of you. Good thought. You know that
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But that just in a flick
Speaker 1: a flicker of the light, that they'll be grown and
Speaker 1: gone right, and so that will bring me. I know
Speaker 1: that there's added piece to that as well.
Speaker 5: I tell you real quick, just real quick, because you
Speaker 5: brought up physical health on this physical health moment and
Speaker 5: even talk about my mom, think about my mom. I
Speaker 5: am overdue of just being accountable to the NWP FAM
Speaker 5: overdue from mammogram. But I have one that I need
Speaker 5: to get scheduled. I'm doing a colonoscopy. They say that
Speaker 5: we don't need them until we're fifty. The devil is
Speaker 5: a liar that cancer is spreading at much younger ages.
Speaker 3: We should do that. Then.
Speaker 5: That's all because I went to a physical, got my physical,
Speaker 5: and that's those are the things they recommended.
Speaker 3: So I highly encourage everybody to do that.
Speaker 5: Also saw cardiologist doctor Puma in New York shout out
Speaker 5: to Lenard for the plug. My I was like, I'm
Speaker 5: worried because my my LDL cholesterol levels are high in
Speaker 5: these full lab panels, which I also understand is a privilege.
Speaker 5: So I'm acknowledging that it's not my cholesterol that's the problem.
Speaker 5: It's my very consistent high blood pressure that's the problem.
Speaker 5: So it's pre hypertension. So in the midst of us
Speaker 5: trying to protect our peace, there is a physical reasons
Speaker 5: why we have to protect our path.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's what both of you guys said. It's
Speaker 4: so good, you know what you said though, that struck
Speaker 4: me most about judgment, suspending judgment, and I think I
Speaker 4: don't believe people when they say don't have judgment, Like
Speaker 4: I think we just judge maybe different things. I know
Speaker 4: I judge myself the harshest. So when you were saying that,
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I like, who do I judge?
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, me, Like, I judge myself the harshest
Speaker 4: for sure, And so I think my piece has to
Speaker 4: come internally, like I you know, I don't believe, and
Speaker 4: I'm so angry and not having a response. You know,
Speaker 4: I was very angry this month at someone and I
Speaker 4: to me, it's like, well, don't even say anything. Like
Speaker 4: they don't deserve your response, Like to me, that's ego,
Speaker 4: Like if I don't get I have all this rage
Speaker 4: inside me and it needs to be positive. Somewhere where
Speaker 4: is the dignity? And I'm just gonna walk away silently
Speaker 4: and not say anything like no, I want you to know.
Speaker 4: I think you're a shitty person for doing this thing,
Speaker 4: you know, and I want you to see the pain
Speaker 4: that you caused. I want you to see the trust
Speaker 4: you violated. I want you to hear it. And when
Speaker 4: you don't do that, I mean, it produces cortisole in
Speaker 4: your body, which causes inflammation, which causes illness, you know.
Speaker 4: And so I think what I'm concluding is I have
Speaker 4: to curate spaces around me that do not invite toxicity
Speaker 4: and be responsible for that. I don't owe anybody my piece,
Speaker 4: whether we're blood related or not. I can cut off
Speaker 4: a relationship that doesn't service either of us, you know,
Speaker 4: all of those things on my phone, As y'all know,
Speaker 4: I've been on my phone a lot lately, and I
Speaker 4: have felt it, you know. Again, I'm looking at puppy
Speaker 4: videos for hour, these vegan videos, and it's like you
Speaker 4: could be reading, you could be writing, you could be walking,
Speaker 4: so really trying to do better with that. I was
Speaker 4: doing well for a while. I'm not now, And it's like,
Speaker 4: just stay away when you want to. You don't owe
Speaker 4: anybody at peace. You don't owe anybody an explanation, like
Speaker 4: you grown like you were off the grid for twenty
Speaker 4: four hours and that's what it was. And then letting
Speaker 4: the tears flow when they need to. My therapists keep
Speaker 4: telling me I have a problem with tears. I don't
Speaker 4: feel like I do, but she says no, like you
Speaker 4: like to talk it through and you try to like
Speaker 4: get it together. But that's because I'm paying for this session.
Speaker 4: I could cry at home. Let's get to this, you know,
Speaker 4: like let me swallow this, just get out what I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say. I'm gonna cry when I leave. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I haven't figured it all out, but those are things
Speaker 4: that I'm thinking about, you know, twenty twenty five. Can
Speaker 4: I go and putting things in their proper context because
Speaker 4: I'm also very regimented. I'm very detailed, and so had
Speaker 4: you said today like hey guys, we need to push
Speaker 4: taping time back or we're gonna take Tuesday instead, that
Speaker 4: would send me like, oh, I'm like, my anxiety is
Speaker 4: through the roof now, and I plan my days meticulously.
Speaker 4: I even put on there, like from nine to twelve,
Speaker 4: I'm writing, you know, and so trying to manage that.
Speaker 4: You know, with anybody, if you say, hey, let's meet
Speaker 4: at four o'clock and I'm there at four o'clock and
Speaker 4: you show up at four twenty, I got an attitude
Speaker 4: because I'm like, I could have sent that email, I
Speaker 4: could have done laundry, I could have done this, you know,
Speaker 4: all the things I was rushing to get here, so
Speaker 4: all these little things to seem to be eating away
Speaker 4: at my piece. So I don't know, I'm figuring it out.
Speaker 4: You guys gave some good input, but those are just
Speaker 4: some things that I'm trying to do. But I'm open
Speaker 4: to suggestions.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to contribute to your piece and be more
Speaker 3: on time this year.
Speaker 4: Then well I was late today, so you were, yeah,
Speaker 4: But I don't even mean this like that can be
Speaker 4: you know, I'd be late. No, But that's like mildly frustrating.
Speaker 4: Frustrating is if you're like, tip, let's get something to eat,
Speaker 4: let's meet at four, and I'm sitting there at the
Speaker 4: spot and you ain't there at.
Speaker 3: Four o clock. But I mean that too, I mean
Speaker 3: for the podcast, and generally I'm track it off. Why
Speaker 3: showing up, Probably.
Speaker 4: Because were leaving together, even making me late. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that's good.
Speaker 6: I try to.
Speaker 1: But your point where you were was you were inviting
Speaker 1: other feedback I think from folks.
Speaker 4: I want to hear from how other people are maintaining
Speaker 4: their peace.
Speaker 3: Tell me you're going to get your mammogram and your colons.
Speaker 3: I want to hear about that.
Speaker 4: And you can't know about the colon. I've never had
Speaker 4: a column.
Speaker 3: I've never had one either.
Speaker 1: You do it? Yeah, I will.
Speaker 5: Why don't we all do them together? I mean not
Speaker 5: in the same moment, you guys, let's all get them.
Speaker 4: We're broadcasting live on the podcast, all of us together.
Speaker 5: No, And I think I'll keep my motey to myself,
Speaker 5: but I would like to say that we would.
Speaker 3: We are.
Speaker 5: I think we're all committing to doing that. We are
Speaker 5: going into Can we commit to the first quarter of
Speaker 5: the new year?
Speaker 4: My daughter can get me on you look at it well,
Speaker 4: because I don't know for other reasons which I will
Speaker 4: share offline.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right? Heard, Well, we're gonna try.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll try. I exactly. I'm not afraid to do
Speaker 4: like I want to. It's some other issues, understand.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all, this has been a real episode. We
Speaker 1: should take a breath together when we're not recording.
Speaker 4: Umb holding Umbo holding hold y'all, don't know that.
Speaker 3: Peace be still. I know that that sounds like Tina
Speaker 3: also known as Angela Bassett.
Speaker 4: Yes, that was Numbia holding Tina Turner. What's love got
Speaker 4: to do with it?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: Remember she was? She was talking about Laurence Fis versus.
Speaker 4: I don't do that, Jackie.
Speaker 3: You don't know how many days is?
Speaker 4: How many?
Speaker 1: Oh? How about this? There are six hundred and eighty
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