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Speaker 1: Native lamp Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode fifty eight of Native Lampod,

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Speaker 1: where we give you all things politics, but a little

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Speaker 1: bit of culture sprinkled in there for everybody's taste. We

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Speaker 1: are your host Tiffany Cross.

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Speaker 3: Oh you don't want to go first, I'm Angela Raie.

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Speaker 1: And I'll go last. As always, I'm Andrew Gillen. We

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Speaker 1: want to say welcome home everybody.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to it, y'.

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Speaker 1: So, y'all, what are we talking about today? We get

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Speaker 1: to one being person, which.

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Speaker 3: Is I'm happy to see y'all.

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Speaker 4: I think these shows are so much better wear in person.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I definitely think they're a show.

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Speaker 4: I felt it.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to talk about today? So?

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Speaker 4: I think people are pretty checked out of politics, I

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Speaker 4: really do. Everyone I talked to and I want to

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Speaker 4: talk about how to curate pete. It's the time of

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Speaker 4: year where people are with family and as we go

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Speaker 4: into a twenty twenty five that is going to be hectic.

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Speaker 4: How do we carry a peace?

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Speaker 1: I love that curating peace?

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Speaker 5: Angela well, if there's no justice, there's no peace. So

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Speaker 5: we're going to stay in politics a little bit because

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Speaker 5: it's it might not be bombs over bag Dad, New Jersey,

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Speaker 5: but it's something flying over in New Jersey. And now

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Speaker 5: they're saying it might be in Atlanta too. It's the drones.

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Speaker 5: I was just laughing at my dear brother Leonard about

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Speaker 5: this last week. Turns out, ah, hi, hell, it might

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Speaker 5: actually be some there there.

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Speaker 1: Huh. Well, I can't wait to hear your theory of

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Speaker 1: the case for me. A lot of talk about what's

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Speaker 1: Kamala's next step, Madam Vice President. Obviously she's been at

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Speaker 1: the height of government in this country. Could she go

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Speaker 1: down now to one of the states to lead the

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Speaker 1: great state of California as its governor. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear y'all's opinions and thoughts on it. Okay, So let's

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Speaker 1: get at it.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it. Okay.

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Speaker 5: So I think I might be the only one here

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Speaker 5: that had a class running none security.

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Speaker 3: Clearance is all I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 5: But I was scared to go beyond a TS and

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Speaker 5: get an SCI clearance, which is the one that goes

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Speaker 5: through the CIA. Obviously, y'all know why I didn't want

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Speaker 5: to go through the CIA. We have trauma with the CIA.

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Speaker 5: But I am very curious about what is happening with

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Speaker 5: the drones. When I did Breakfast Club last week, Secretary

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Speaker 5: of Pete was on and Lenard asked him about the

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Speaker 5: drones over New Jersey and I'm not gonna lie to you.

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Speaker 5: I literally was laughing because I was like, this is

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Speaker 5: so ridiculous, Like because Leonard is always on my aliens,

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Speaker 5: which is fine, they probably do exist.

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Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, shout out to the ets of

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Speaker 5: But I just was saying, what was fascinating to me

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Speaker 5: about this is the fact that everybody started.

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Speaker 3: Seeing them more the more they were reported.

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Speaker 5: Karen, who is me and Lenard share manager, Me and

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Speaker 5: Lenard's share manager, but it's a good Karen was saying

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Speaker 5: that she saw seven in her backyard there and I

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Speaker 5: was like, were they in the yard or were they

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Speaker 5: like she was like, in the skies, Like where are

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Speaker 5: we sure.

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Speaker 3: They're not stars?

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Speaker 5: So I'm just I am very fascinated with the obsession, yes,

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Speaker 5: and also what is fact?

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Speaker 3: What is fiction? What is a threat? And I'm just curious.

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Speaker 5: About where y'all are on it. I really don't have

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Speaker 5: a thing. I just have heard from New Jersey. Now

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Speaker 5: they're in popping up in Atlanta, and I want to

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Speaker 5: know how much of it is our fear popping up?

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Speaker 3: What is legit about it?

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Speaker 5: And then also where some of our national security holes exist.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, what is the government saying about it? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing I changes and.

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Speaker 5: So initially the National Security Advisor said these are manned aircrafts.

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden said it was nothing to worry about. Governor

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Speaker 5: Hokel in New York and the Governor Murphy in New

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Speaker 3: So it depends on.

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Speaker 5: What level of government you're at, right and some of

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Speaker 5: this is in response to your constituents. The state is like,

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Speaker 5: we need to know what's really going on because this

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Speaker 3: In the nation's capital.

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Speaker 5: So they think that they're not they think that they're

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Speaker 4: Interesting, according to the reporting there, there is no definitive

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Speaker 4: response on what these drones are. And I think to

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Speaker 4: Angela's point, This is where you see local and state

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Speaker 4: government at odds with federal government. The federal government has

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Speaker 4: come out and said that according to what they've seen

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Speaker 4: in their investigation and they're talking to people, that some

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Speaker 4: these things are people seeing regular aircraft, or some of

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Speaker 4: them are stars, or they have not met the definition

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Speaker 4: of a drone. And honestly, if I saw something fly

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Speaker 4: be able to recognize it as a drone. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you remember this, Angela, when we were on

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Speaker 4: vacation on Machete Vaka, there was a drone that flew over,

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Speaker 4: or we were all sitting out by the pole and

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Speaker 4: there was a drone that flew over. So I think

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Speaker 4: we have to know drones or things that people get

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Speaker 4: for Christmas, you know, like they could be teenagers operating

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Speaker 4: my nephew a drone for Christmas. So we really don't know,

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Speaker 4: but I think it is reminiscent of the spy balloon

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Speaker 4: that it did turn up to be linked to China,

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Speaker 4: and we do quite frankly have adversarial governments who are

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Speaker 4: very curious about what happens here in the country. We

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Speaker 4: as black people, have an innate sense of distrust with

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Speaker 4: the government of people coming out to see and look

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Speaker 4: for all the people who are concerned that the drones

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Speaker 4: getting from us. I just want to let you know,

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Speaker 4: this right here already has a lot right away. Basically,

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Speaker 4: want to speculate on what this is. One I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Three.

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Speaker 4: Uh, we we cannot link this to any particular adversarial

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Speaker 4: when you see something flying over your home. A lot

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Speaker 4: of times and we've seen these things, it comes out like, oh,

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Speaker 4: the military was, you know, testing new equipment in this area,

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Speaker 4: and that's been linked to a lot of the UFO sightings.

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Speaker 4: You know, So we basically we don't know. But I

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Speaker 4: think that the question of homeland security is a legitimate one.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if drones are the thing I'm most

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Speaker 4: concerned about when it comes to homeland security, but that

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Speaker 4: is definitely something that we should consider, even a drone.

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Speaker 1: Crazy that I'm like really too obsessed with this show

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Speaker 1: that I'm watching right now that you and I both

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Speaker 1: are watching well on television.

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Speaker 4: I know you're gonna say, lyon ass can I say,

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Speaker 4: I'm three, I have not finish season two, so please

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Speaker 3: You should get it out the diplomat.

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Speaker 1: Should I were to believe what happens on this show,

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Speaker 1: basically like everything from the government is a bit of

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Speaker 1: up to huge and that there's always something there there,

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Speaker 1: which frankly has turned out to be the case over

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Speaker 1: the arc of history. Drugs, CIA, Connection, d DA, DA

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Speaker 1: absence of definitiveness from the government. Why can't we just

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Speaker 1: say these are non threatening and while we may not

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Speaker 1: be able to identify exactly what they are, what we

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Speaker 1: can rule out is but they were very much so

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Speaker 1: also the drones associated with it. They knew that there

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Speaker 1: were an intrusion of another foreign government surveillance apparatus in

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Speaker 1: the United States atmosphere. These drones fly at such a

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Speaker 1: If air traffic could have been bought to a halt

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Speaker 1: air traffic to a halt right now, would drones be

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Speaker 1: So the absence of information, and again I will attribute

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Speaker 1: now that talks about the undermining of of of what.

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Speaker 4: Happens and how they manipulate the news already known, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but they will literally plant something in the news story

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Speaker 1: Response to her as an evasion.

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Speaker 4: There's also a lot of right wing bullshit in that

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Speaker 4: show that we can It's still a good show, but

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I hear you that being said.

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Speaker 1: Bullshit or not, it certainly has my spidy senses up

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Speaker 3: The Transformers is more than me.

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Speaker 5: Now, I just I'm just fascinated because I have been

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm a church kid, y'all, and I've been

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Speaker 5: saying it's the last and evil days like those things.

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, are is there some arm again?

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Speaker 3: And stuff?

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Speaker 5: Like what are we on? Because it does seem like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I actually have a cousin who said that

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Speaker 3: So she was not biblically accurate.

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Speaker 5: I would like to talk to you because it's very

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Speaker 5: clearly a white man you could look at what we're

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Speaker 5: part of the.

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Speaker 1: World's grandmother last days we were. When I was three,

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Speaker 1: I remember being petrified that that was go come home

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Speaker 1: and the war was going but it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be caught up in the rapture or left.

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Speaker 1: Fine, yeah, and then I went again and then I

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, all that to say y'all.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what the hell is going on with

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Speaker 5: We don't know, But I shouldn't have laughed because maybe

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Speaker 4: We literally, I mean, we literally have no idea, that's

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Speaker 1: But I should we be nervous that we're not getting

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think we should be nervous about the multiple

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Speaker 4: threats that exist to the United States, which are not

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Speaker 4: specific to drones.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 3: We pay for it.

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Speaker 7: Greeting's Native Land podcast.

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Speaker 6: What's going on?

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Speaker 7: Andrew Gillam my political correct brother. Hey, Tiffany Cross, my

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Speaker 7: My name is Keith.

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Speaker 3: I'm from DC.

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Speaker 4: I got a favorite ask. I need you to help me.

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Speaker 7: How can I approach presenting an electoral college revision that

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Speaker 7: I have idea that I have to the Congress. How

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Be blessed Angela. This is clearly one for you.

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Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, Keith, we appreciate your question. This

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Speaker 3: I would just say that I don't know of any

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Speaker 5: A person, not just you, but a person onto the

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Speaker 5: floor of Congress to present such proposals. I will say

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Speaker 5: I would say more than revising the electoral college, I

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Speaker 5: had a whole proposal for what should happen with the

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Speaker 5: electoral college and it being abolished.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to tell you, in all honesty, I

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Speaker 1: just don't see any movement in that direction until both

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Speaker 1: political parties feel that they're at a disadvantage to that system.

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Speaker 1: Until that happens, which Republicans are not going to be

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Speaker 1: close to app to doing because they're the ones who

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Speaker 1: benefit most from the existing system. But unless they come together,

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Speaker 1: there's no way you get to those of the legislatures

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Speaker 1: in this country to move in that direction, even toward

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Speaker 1: a convention, constitutional convention, toward that kind of change. I

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Speaker 1: do think that shouldn't squeil quail our advocacy to round

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Speaker 1: what's right. I just think the change is likely to

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Speaker 1: happen when both parties determine it to be a political disadvantage.

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Speaker 5: Do you guys think that, let's say that Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: looks like he's getting rid of the FBI as we

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Speaker 5: know it, they come together and say we actually want

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Speaker 5: to abolish the electoral college.

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Speaker 4: What else do you do?

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Speaker 5: You think they would need to do to start lining

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Speaker 5: up votes of the disadvantage the least of these some

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Speaker 5: folks who are the people of color.

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Speaker 3: I think that if they start doing things that are bold.

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Speaker 5: Like that, where it looks like, oh, all the places

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Speaker 5: where y'all have been locked out or been systematically disenfranchised

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Speaker 5: or targeted, we're taking these.

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Speaker 3: Things out, I think they make some real big inroads

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Speaker 3: doing that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, I could see it, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I do think that that is a sweet spot

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Speaker 1: if you have a change agent and the white host

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Speaker 1: who's prepared to say, let's turn the table all the

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Speaker 1: way over, and that person is able to bring historic

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Speaker 1: opponents of ours to the table just by their person,

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Speaker 1: people who disagree with the idea. But if you disagree

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and you're in the Republican Party, that's

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Speaker 1: an obituary, right, I mean, you're signing your death warrant

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Speaker 1: if you're an elective office. I think he's moved things

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Speaker 1: that way, and I think potentially, should there be convergence

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Speaker 1: on an issue where we can agree, change can't happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't see it happening there again, because the political

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Speaker 1: disadvantage is too much of a downside.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like it wouldn't benefit him. I also think for

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Speaker 4: us to really change democracy, we are going to have

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Speaker 4: to tap into those folks who didn't participate, who didn't

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Speaker 4: built disenfranchised. And the issue for a lot of the

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Speaker 4: people who fall in that category is not the electoral college.

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Speaker 4: Like when you start getting deep into policy and like

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Speaker 4: the structure, it's like, look, I don't give a shit

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Speaker 4: about that I'm talking about, Like my neighborhood has been

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Speaker 4: dilapidated my entire life. This is my grandmama house. We

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Speaker 4: still hear and things look the same. So I don't

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Speaker 4: know if that's what's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If you can connection, we have to then make right,

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Speaker 1: Like the reason why we can't get none of what

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Speaker 1: we want, Yes, it is because the system is biased

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Speaker 1: towards us. We have to break it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I think they would do better with

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Speaker 4: something else other than the electro hall that they're trying

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Speaker 4: to do that, But I don't it's such as.

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Speaker 3: I layered that in FBI, because FBI.

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Speaker 4: Is such a far fetched type ofthatical I can't even

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Speaker 4: imagine them doing like they benefit from that, you know, So.

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Speaker 1: I don't see standard Democrats at this time, with this

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Speaker 1: president being willing to change anything, I think they become

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Speaker 1: apoplectic about change to an institution if it comes from

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. This is why I think Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: the potential to hit on some common cause with disenfranchised communities.

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Speaker 1: Be it the right thing. It ain't going to be

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Speaker 1: turning a federal military against Americans or people who were

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Speaker 1: happened to be brown. But if he found an issue

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Speaker 1: where we could legitimately believe that the outcome will be

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Speaker 1: better for us, I think there's some common cause there.

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Speaker 1: I just justice, I have an ear. I just am

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Speaker 1: not certain if his deconstruction of the Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: as we know it only is to the end that

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Speaker 1: it doesn't get to target him, but that the rest

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Speaker 1: of us continue to be targeting.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing this administration can say to me that would

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Speaker 4: dear trust or faith. You cannot say in one breath,

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Speaker 4: I am going to turn the US military against American citizens,

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Speaker 4: and then the next breath, I'm going to abol as Fatbi.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't compute for me, it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 4: And I think there are pockets of people in this country.

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Speaker 4: We had a debate about this in our group chat

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Speaker 4: about who's considered dumb and who's considered smart. And I

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Speaker 4: have this debate all the time, and I'll be honest,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes the chiefe stands alone. I might stand alone

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Speaker 4: the day we have to acknowledge there are dumb people

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Speaker 4: in this country. Okay, there are dumb people who made

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Speaker 4: dumb voting choices. Sadly, being ill informed or uninformed is

536
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Speaker 4: not a partisan issue. It transcends all socioeconomics. Even when

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Speaker 4: Obama was getting elected, like after the election and pre inauguration,

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Speaker 4: there were so many people who like in sound bites

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Speaker 4: and say like, oh my god, like the streets outside

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Speaker 4: my house are about to be smoother, and you know,

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Speaker 4: my grandmother, this neighborhood is going to look better. And

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Speaker 4: I remember the Daily Show John Stewart like ransom clips

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, Obama ain't got none new with any

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Speaker 4: of that, you know, And it's okay to acknowledge, Like, yes, people,

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Speaker 4: these things in particular have made us dumber and made

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Speaker 4: us die. I know you may disagree, but it's not

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Speaker 4: just these but everything has just made us dumber. And

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Speaker 4: it's like we have to tap into that curiosity at

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Speaker 4: least so you don't fall for the okie do.

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Speaker 1: What I would apply is not smart dumb to it,

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Speaker 1: because I think the example you gave is an example

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Speaker 1: of people being like blindly optimistic about the power of

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Speaker 1: government and really the power of a person.

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Speaker 4: Is that because I'm saying it about Obama, though, what

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Speaker 4: about these Trump people.

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Speaker 1: Would be the same, right? I think there is a vision,

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Speaker 1: there's an optimism that they have for the change they

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Speaker 1: want to see happen in their lives, which is without regret,

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Speaker 1: which is without regard to what you may ascribe to

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Speaker 1: that person. Obama had the benefit of when he ran

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Speaker 1: that we all projected onto He was a whiteboard and

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Speaker 1: we projected our highest hopes, dreams, possibilities. He could have

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Speaker 1: almost talked about nothing but hope and change, and we

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Speaker 1: would have still said he is running on this issue,

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Speaker 1: this issue, in this issue, because that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: blind optimism. I think he was afforded, and I think

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Speaker 1: that that exists without regard to partisanship that people when

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Speaker 1: it comes to voting. I think it isn't so much

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Speaker 1: the ignorance. There couldn't be ignorance around the facts. But

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Speaker 1: what I think there isn't ignorance around is a lived

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Speaker 1: experience and whether or not you think somebody sees you,

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Speaker 1: that's right. And if you think they do, I think

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Speaker 1: we have a higher likelihood of ascribing to them the

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Speaker 1: things that we think they're going.

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Speaker 6: To do for us.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that and are then wildly disappointed when

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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, even though he ain't. Never tell you that.

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Speaker 5: She did, and he still didn't have any intent on

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Speaker 5: changing it. Like the prices of groceries which we saw recently,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Completely chip no power over. I will say this, I

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Speaker 3: think we.

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Speaker 5: Spent a lot of time calling folks dumb when they

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Speaker 5: are smart or have chosen to use their brilliance in

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Speaker 5: different ways, and I think this next question is a

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Speaker 5: good example of that.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 6: Hello Native Lampind. My name is Sean Rouge Junior. I'm

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Speaker 6: twenty three years old.

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Speaker 1: I live in Atlanta, Georgia, and I go to GSU.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to weigh in on the philosophical question because

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Speaker 6: I'm learning and will continue to learn and truly experiencing

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Speaker 6: that history will always repeat itself through moments of revolution

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Speaker 6: and change, the Haitian Revolution, the Civil War, the Reconstruction,

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Speaker 6: and the Civil rights movement. It has always been bloody.

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Speaker 6: It has always been violence. I truly believe, as not

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Speaker 6: only black people, but as citizens of that and stays,

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Speaker 6: we will be kidding ourselves to not understand that this

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Speaker 6: nation has been built upon violence. Our freedom has been

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Speaker 6: contingent on violence, and honestly, violence has been a necessity

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Speaker 6: in freedom. The oppressor has always had the upper hand

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Speaker 6: and the oppressed has always been late to the party.

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Speaker 6: But once the oppressed come, we shut it down. It

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Speaker 6: just don't get a little crazy. And what we have

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Speaker 6: to also understand is that the oppressors have built an

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Speaker 6: entire base who has been training their children to.

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Speaker 1: Be comfortable with guns since out the wound. So we

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Speaker 1: have to be prepared and we have to understand it.

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Speaker 3: To me, this is about what people choose to use

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Speaker 3: their brilliance on.

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Speaker 5: Like there are a lot of folks who are the

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Speaker 5: proletariat who were like, oh, they just don't get it.

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Speaker 3: They just don't know. They just our podcast is above

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Speaker 3: their head.

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Speaker 5: We're two in the weeds. But they can break down

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Speaker 5: an entire GNX Kendrick Lamar album. They can rock with

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Speaker 5: somebody who is a Pulitzer winning genius. They can figure

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Speaker 5: it out. So you can figure out anything you put

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Speaker 5: your time in your mind to and your energy to.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying he got a whole theory about why

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Speaker 5: the violent take by force to use a scripture, a

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Speaker 5: whole theory. I'm not calling him done by the way.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, we use the yeah, how we

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Speaker 5: want to. And so I'm just saying, it's not that

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Speaker 5: people aren't. It's that they haven't chosen to lean in

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Speaker 5: in a certain way, or they haven't chosen our particular

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Speaker 5: path or don't have our particular POV, either by experience

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Speaker 5: or because lack of research or whatever. But to me,

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Speaker 5: it was just an interesting, Okay, you got a whole

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Speaker 5: theory about why this went down this way. I still

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Speaker 5: don't support.

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Speaker 4: Because you said this before when we were talking about

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Speaker 4: is it safer in the shallow or the deep? And

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Speaker 4: I kept saying, like, you know, whatever examples I kept giving,

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Speaker 4: you were like, this is the third time that you've

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Speaker 4: like equated deep with like a certain level of intellect,

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Speaker 4: you know, And I was like, oh, that is true.

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Speaker 4: I didn't mean to do that. I think this might

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Speaker 4: be a little different, to be clear, When I like

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Speaker 4: this man's like, I like what he's saying too. So

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Speaker 4: we're just using him as an example to make a

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Speaker 4: point about where people because he's clearly using his brilliance

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Speaker 4: in a way like historically, Like he just dropped a

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Speaker 4: whole word right there.

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Speaker 3: Even with his last question, like he's a very smart student,

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Speaker 3: Like yeah.

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Speaker 4: I will still be the cheese that stands alone and say, yes,

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Speaker 4: there are people who have brilliance in all areas. There

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Speaker 4: are people like you know I've said there are people

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Speaker 4: who can name every senator on Capitol Hill. I don't

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Speaker 4: think they're brilliant, Like you didn't worked up there twenty years. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you ought to be able to name every center there,

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Speaker 4: Like right, that's information, that's a muscle memory that you've

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Speaker 4: you have the ability to collect information rights.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: That's not where I'm saying brilliance to me. Curiosity is

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Speaker 4: that's enough right there. Curiosity is enough right there for

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Speaker 4: me to say, at least you are curious enough to

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Speaker 4: care about something. What I'm seeing more and more people

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Speaker 4: lack of curiosity to care about anything. It is the

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Speaker 4: selfie generation. It is the generation that I can build

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Speaker 4: an empire to myself because social media has democratized everything,

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Speaker 4: including who gets to believe they are his celebrity. It

664
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Speaker 4: is the generation of I care more about my lashes

665
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: than I do about policies that impact my life. And

666
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: when I see that, I confront it, when I've interacted

667
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 4: with it, when I've had conversations with it, and I'm

668
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: just like, this is the continuing dumbing down of the

669
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: American people. It's not because I don't even think if

670
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 4: you didn't vote, you know, not smart. I don't think that,

671
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: Like I completely acknowledge there are so many intellectual people.

672
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: Somebody who I think is so intelligent and has such

673
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: interesting perspectives and things to say because I've spoken to

674
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: him privately and I watch him publicly. It's plies like

675
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: I know applies as like, oh, some silliness on. But

676
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 4: when that brother starts talking about policy and things that

677
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: he cares about, I'm like, that's a good ass point.

678
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: Like some of the things he's saying is things that

679
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 4: I had not thought about. And I know that specific

680
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: to politics, but there are other things that people can

681
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 4: talk to me about that I just find them so

682
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 4: like you're curious, like you've taught me something.

683
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: The cleverness of it is the ability to take because

684
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: he doesn't exit his lane. He's still showing, and not

685
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: just him. There are others. When she was talking about

686
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: when she talked me about her, I was just like, holy,

687
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: like she has social security because she took what is

688
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: largely complex yes, with many layers to it, and went

689
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: dead ass to the point yes. And people who do that,

690
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: I think that is a skill. Now, what I also

691
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: think is the value judgment on positive, negative, smart, dumb,

692
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: those sort of paradigms that we find ourselves is probably

693
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: less helpful in trying to understand I think human experience.

694
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: It sounds me, but I just mean I think in

695
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: trying to trying to really understand where people are, where

696
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: they're coming from, I think it's less useful in the

697
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: sense that I used to. I remember as a mayor

698
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: is will come in to contact with people who wanted

699
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: me to get there so security checks. They want me

700
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: to solve this problem. So I'm thinking, now, this ain't

701
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with local government. This that and

702
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: the third Now that didn't mean that we didn't activate

703
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: to try to get in connection with the right people.

704
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: So they were absent certain knowledge about the process, but

705
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: their need was very clear. And that's sort of how

706
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: I've started to see most people as people activate from

707
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: a place of need, what their need and what they

708
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: want is, and even are asked for people to be curious.

709
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: I hate to repeat this line, but it's also a

710
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: bit of a luxury in the sense that most people time,

711
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: attention effort is occupied by the thing that concerns them,

712
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: confronts them the most, and most of those things are

713
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: really basic in nature. But basic doesn't mean accessible, right

714
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: it is. So, for instance, I'm mostly concerned out my children,

715
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: the kids they're coming in contact with, how to hell

716
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna deal with these cell phones and their tablets

717
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: right now from the standpoint of just negotiating, And I

718
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: realize that even what I'm right now articulating as a

719
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: really big key concern is very different than how somebody

720
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: else's more basic function or need might be. So I

721
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: would say, when I refer to a more basic need

722
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: that someone would have, it's Maslow's hierarchy, not whether my

723
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: kid's tablet is going to drive them off in a

724
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: direction to become awful humans and who they're being taught

725
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: by that are not me and their mom and their teachers.

726
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: But as far as I'm concerned, if you debase that,

727
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: and you delegitimize that, then I can't hear you because

728
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: you can't see me first. And I think that's where

729
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: we are with the larger public. If we delegitimize certain things,

730
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: than anything we say following is of no sense and

731
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: no importance because we haven't seen them first. And I

732
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: think that our that.

733
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 5: Happened with the election in the economy, you know, like

734
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 5: in a in a like an alarming way, So anybody

735
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: who even had curiosity turned off, like you're telling me

736
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 5: this economy is great, My eggs are eleven dollars.

737
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: You know, that's an area where I'm ignorant. I can't

738
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 4: really always tell you what the economy is. And I

739
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 4: would argue most people can't because right like what is

740
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: the economy? And most people they were they were economy

741
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: is the markets?

742
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: That's right.

743
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 5: There was a macro economy issue and versus a micro economy.

744
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: Issue, and there was a complete.

745
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 5: Blind spot by the people that we vote for on

746
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 5: the micro economy. Speaking of being micro, we're going to

747
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 5: be extra micro and takes.

748
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: A break out such a that connection is really important.

749
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: Lost it getting up here talking about with the best economy,

750
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: the highest value we navigating. We were doing that, No,

751
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: not us talking about but we also didn't call it

752
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: that in the moment.

753
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: I didn't.

754
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: We also didn't call it in the moment.

755
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: Which was we did sometimes I was just keep rolling.

756
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: I just I just think it was an important point

757
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: you just brought out about the blind spot that happened

758
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: there and the fact that none of us called I

759
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: don't think we called it out as loudly and proudly

760
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: as we should have in real time because you telling

761
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: me how good we navigated COVID, yes versus other developed nations?

762
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: Is somebody still died in your family?

763
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: Were still are you saying that we rebounded quicker and

764
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: faster and didn't go to the depth of my friend we.

765
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 5: Got that PPP loan is now facing prosecution because they

766
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 5: just followed.

767
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: They listened to somebody who told them.

768
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: Everybody that got PPP loans and did it ethically or

769
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 5: illegally didn't do that on purpose. Some of them were

770
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 5: told that they could get this support its available to them.

771
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ignorance to the law, unfortunately, is no defense, right

772
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 4: defense exactly. And I have a lot of ignorance to laws,

773
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 4: you know, And it's terrifying. Well, I mean for me, I,

774
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: you know, having come from below the poverty line, and

775
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: then you start getting checks that are you know, big,

776
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 4: and ain't no taxes coming out, you know. Even I'll

777
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: tell y'all, when I first started getting checks and taxes

778
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: were coming out, I had that mentality that I'm not

779
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: paying this mortgage until I absolutely have to pay this mortgage.

780
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna pay this light bill until it's absolutely time.

781
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: In my twenties, I think I waited until if it

782
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: was due on the fifteenth, I'm gonna pay it on

783
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: the fifteenth, because the mentality was anything could pop off

784
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: at any minute, and I might need this money, right,

785
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: and if I got savings, you have, it's safer right here, right.

786
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: And if I gotta choose between helping my mom with

787
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: something paying his light bill, I'll light some candles to

788
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: make sure that mom A's gonna be okay.

789
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get enough grace with the company. They're gonna

790
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: give me fifteen more days, and by then I'm gonna

791
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: turn another miracle. Yeah.

792
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: And at the end of that fifteen days, I mailed

793
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 4: the check I don't know what, and then another fifteen

794
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 4: days like Okay, I'm gonna come down there, but I

795
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 4: got a flat tire I'm paying for, you know, like

796
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 4: you learn.

797
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 5: A when you have to.

798
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: I do want to be clear, I'm not talking about

799
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 4: because I hear you, I hear your point. I'm not

800
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 4: talking about people with access. I'm talking about privileged people

801
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 4: who choose ignorance.

802
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: You know, their choices. I'm not gonna but I don't

803
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: know you have the greater the luxury is.

804
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: And that is the part that's frustrating to me, because

805
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: I listen to people and it's like, and I know

806
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: I have ignorances.

807
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 5: You know.

808
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 4: I'll tell you somebody who I feel like he frequently

809
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 4: talks over my head and I make myself watch him

810
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 4: over and over. John Oliver. John Oliver. Yes, he's a comedian,

811
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: but he's really smart from a global perspective. I have

812
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: to watch his shows two or three times to understand it.

813
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: Some of these are yes, yeah, yeah. The things he

814
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: talks about, like and he dumbed, And I always tell people,

815
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 4: dumb it down. For me, I learned that way. Dumb

816
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: it put it in the most basic terms for me.

817
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 4: I'll even say, explain it to me, like you explain

818
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: it to a five year old. I don't have no

819
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 4: ego around that, Like, just give it to me the

820
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: way I can take it. I'm talking about people who

821
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: have access to all of that and you want to

822
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: you know, post Jo, I'm voting sticker because it's cool

823
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 4: and it's cute, but you don't really you ain't really

824
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 4: out here in this game. I'll say, Angela. A lot

825
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 4: so many people, young people, but even like peers, I

826
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: think they have a desire to do what you do,

827
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 4: you know, And I'll ask, well, what does Angela do that?

828
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: What are you trying to do that Angela does. They

829
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 4: have a desire to be the exterior her, but they

830
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: do not have the desire to do the work, you know.

831
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: They don't have the desire to be up calling people,

832
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: ask them to sign on to those legislations. They don't

833
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: have the desire to door knock. They don't have the

834
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: desire to work on Capitol Hill when it ain't glamorous,

835
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 4: you know. But they do have the desire to walk

836
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: on the red carpet, to date who you dated, you know,

837
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 4: to look how you look them anyway. But that's that

838
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: is the thing they desire the business. And I can

839
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: say that was never your desire. You know, your desire

840
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: wasn't to be like but right, your desire. You didn't

841
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: want to become the governor of Florida because you want

842
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: a private driver and because you you know, because you

843
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: wanted like to live in the governor's.

844
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Man and wife. When we were trying to talk to

845
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: the State security about what life was supposed to look like,

846
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm driving my own kids to school. I

847
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: don't know what they're driving right right, You're like, Jay, No,

848
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, there are other considerations here, but these were

849
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: things I hadn't thought about. So you're right, those are

850
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: the people.

851
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: Wasn't an ambition when I say dumb, like, those are

852
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: the people I'm talking about, because it's like you just

853
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: out here just even I don't know if I want

854
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: to like y'all. Just don't like the word done. I

855
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: don't think you know what it is.

856
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: It is.

857
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: It flattens nuance, and I think I think what bothers

858
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: me the most about it?

859
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: Even when I say it it is late.

860
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 5: It's a lazy approach for me because now the same

861
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: curiosity that you want them to use, we're not using

862
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 5: about them.

863
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: I do use that curiosity, I probe. I ask people

864
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 4: all the time, but where did you get that from?

865
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 4: Where did you hear that?

866
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: She?

867
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 5: But I'm saying like when now? But now there's a

868
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 5: blanket dumb. Right, let's say there's a blanket dumb attached

869
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 5: to them. There may be other reasons, like maybe somebody

870
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 5: said they wanted to do a carpet because when it

871
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 5: was little, they Daddy told them they were never going

872
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 5: to be nothing, and that was their way to show

873
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 5: them that they were going to be something.

874
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that that is the look at her face.

875
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: I mean, because I don't know.

876
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: It also.

877
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: Trauma that doesn't absolve you from the lack of curiosity

878
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 4: and the lack of desire to do the work to

879
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 4: do that.

880
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: Maybe they just don't know. Maybe the privileges we know,

881
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: I don't.

882
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 6: Even have to.

883
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't think we have to be that graceful about

884
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: gracious graceful or.

885
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 4: Gracious grateful in her graciousness.

886
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: So I don't think we have to. I don't think

887
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: we have to come up with reasons as to why

888
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: people make the choices they make, because I think part

889
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: of our curiosity has to be that they have a

890
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: reason for I mean, we have to make allowance for

891
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: the fact that there may be a reason for why

892
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: this person is so obsessive becoming the next stephalopagus, not

893
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: all of the lash of the lashes. It's a lot,

894
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot to have to deal with. But but

895
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: but as you talk about, can we you know, what

896
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: about their earlier life experience would have led them to

897
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: the value that I'm going to place on my brilliance

898
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: and what I contribute is going to be on my exterior.

899
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: And you can't read what's in my head, you know,

900
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, very few people have value for what's in

901
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: my head. Yeah, And so I've now put value on

902
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: these sorts of things, and that that choice is a

903
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: conscious one and not an unconscious one. I just hate

904
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: folks moving around your life out.

905
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: That was the best way to say it. I just

906
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 4: want a conscious choice, not an unconscious conscious choice to

907
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 4: remain in a space of ignorance, as I myself have

908
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 4: made that conscious choice before, which is not a good elections.

909
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: I almost make it you and a lotteral around elections

910
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: that are lost because I'm going to make the conscious

911
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: choice not to plug in.

912
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you where you plugged in.

913
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 5: I laugh at those of you who said this is

914
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 5: going to be a forty five minute podcast, because no

915
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 5: it is not.

916
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: And so now but we are at the forty five minutes,

917
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: so we can say thank you for listening, we got

918
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: more stuff. We are.

919
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: Only because I was the main one saying we're running

920
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: out of time, but I push this question and we

921
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 4: are okay for a few more minutes.

922
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate us taking this welcome them home, no pun intended, deepening.

923
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's so important for us to

924
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 5: do this because in organic people permission to do the

925
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 5: same thing and the thing that I seriously I love

926
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 5: about y'all. I hate to say this all the time

927
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 5: over and over again, but it's so true. I love

928
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 5: that you will stretch me outside of my comfort zone

929
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 5: same that it was like, you will push me to

930
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 5: be like do we really need it's just done? It's

931
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 5: like I want that nuance. I think it's so important

932
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 5: because there are folks dealing with this at home, at work,

933
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 5: oh my god, at work after on the other side

934
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 5: of it's inauguration. I feel so bad for folks, Like,

935
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: I mean, it's going to be really brutal.

936
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: Sure, I wonder is there a takeaway on this conversation

937
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: that we can leave I want to be leave it.

938
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think this is an ongoing conversation. I'm

939
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: sure y'all got y'all gonna drag me in a comments try.

940
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 4: I have a lot of things to say about my

941
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 4: thoughts on but I do want to be clear that

942
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: because someone is and curious and intelligent and not an

943
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 4: intellectual doesn't mean you can't be a good person, kind

944
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: hearted people. And I will say some people I know

945
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 4: who are so unplugged have the ability to be kind hearted.

946
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: Like sometimes I wake up angry because I know too much,

947
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 4: right because I know too much, and I know after

948
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 4: the election, even right now, I'm not as plugged in,

949
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: and I feel less ankst. You know, I just don't

950
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 4: have the luxury not of living in a space of

951
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: ignorance forever. But I do try to understand those people.

952
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 4: And when I say, like, you know, there's a lot

953
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 4: of dumb people out there, it's not like you're dumb

954
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 4: so you don't deserve anything. You're dumb, so you don't

955
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 4: deserve to know me or talk to me. You're dumb,

956
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: so you don't deserve to have a life of safety

957
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 4: and you know of even wealth if you want it.

958
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: But it is frustrating because your comfortable ignorance makes it

959
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 4: so much harder for the rest of us to who

960
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: really want to do the work. And I'm offended at

961
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 4: people who say I want to be like Angela Rye,

962
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: but you really don't want to, you know, like you

963
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 4: want to you want the glory without knowing the full story.

964
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 4: Or even people say, you know, I want to do

965
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 4: what you do, and it's like, what do I do?

966
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: People who think I was on TV given opinions, you know,

967
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: or when I first got my show, I remember a

968
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: lot of people saying I want to do that, like

969
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 4: you's so lucky. Ain't no luck over here? Like I

970
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 4: didn't work there. I've worked in every newsroom, did every

971
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: shitty assignment, like work for twenty plus years on the right,

972
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 4: been working for twenty I want to do what you do.

973
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: I want to be governor really you want to run

974
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 4: for SDA president, you want to be.

975
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: I have a friend who says, Sean, y'all knowman, He says,

976
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: when you all make it look so easy, everybody thinks

977
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: they can do it. Yes, and I want to That's true,

978
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: by the way, for across a lot of fields, a

979
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: lot of folks look like they are effortless in their brilliance.

980
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: But that's also because it's a calling, you know.

981
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: I think that I think it's a calling. I also

982
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: think that these people really really hard and guess what

983
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: they're they're highlight reel doesn't begin to tell the fact

984
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: that their overnight story began decades ago. That's right, that

985
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: you know that this thing, whatever it is that you

986
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: are are are complimenting at this point and wanted to emulate,

987
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: didn't begin at the moment you discovered who I was.

988
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: Hours ago at least, however, right, but but.

989
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: But not now. And if I had a frustration, it

990
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: is not around the willful ignorance. The wilf ignorance is

991
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: very frustrating because you know better, my mamma say, you

992
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: know better, you do better, you know better, and you

993
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: chose not to do. But it is, it is, it

994
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: is really reserved for those or for those individuals who

995
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: y'all are. I would just describe it as opportunistic and

996
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: way in such a way that you can absolutely turn

997
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: off your sympathy, your acknowledgement, you or whatever of this

998
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: whole big thing that you won't you know, exists, they

999
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: know better and do wors do worse, right, for opportunistic reasons,

1000
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: you have now turned off.

1001
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: It's a whole Yeah, it's a whole bunch of frush.

1002
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: And I'm seeing it now in Florida. And you know,

1003
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: we just had this one. Democrats are already at the

1004
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: bottom with clitical representation, gets elected from a Democratic district

1005
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: that has just switched to a Republican Party turncoat, right,

1006
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: and then you had all these others out there caping,

1007
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: repeating stuff that not only if you were honest about it,

1008
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: would embarrass yourself, but you know it's embarrassing to your

1009
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: mom and your daddy. Yeah, tripling because there's a check

1010
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: on the other side for you. That that is that

1011
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: burns me. That level of optimism burns me.

1012
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome.

1013
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 4: I love this conversation because it was an organ it

1014
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: so I know we didn't get the chance to talk

1015
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: about what's next for vice president here is so that's

1016
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 4: gonna be the first topic when we come back. Yeah,

1017
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 4: and we'll save that for January. But I want to

1018
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: ask you guys, how you're planning on maintaining your peace

1019
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 4: because we I mean, buckle up. You know, twenty twenty

1020
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 4: five is going to be a lot Angela, especially for you,

1021
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 4: you know, everything you going through with your mom, just

1022
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 4: the politics, you know, Andrew for you. I mean, I

1023
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 4: I was with a friend of mine and his three kids,

1024
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 4: and I was like, ain't no way, Like I couldn't,

1025
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 4: I cannot. Anytime one had to go to the bathroom,

1026
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: he would have to get.

1027
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: All of them gone to take any time after one

1028
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: goes comes back, then the next one, Daddy all have

1029
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: to go.

1030
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: But they're little, so they all have to go at

1031
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 4: the same time. And it was stressing me out and

1032
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: me and everything I have going on. So I'm just

1033
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 4: curious how you are. What is your plan to curate

1034
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 4: and protect your peace?

1035
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: Guru of health and well being? You at least tell

1036
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: it you. I don't know how much of it you That's.

1037
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 4: What I because the Anzel talks about it. But I'm like,

1038
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 4: how much of.

1039
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: That are you really doing well?

1040
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 5: I have asked my therapist. I was like, I need

1041
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 5: to go back to weekly therapy session stopped. Yeah, No,

1042
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 5: it wasn't on purpose. It was just like it was

1043
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 5: so so like crazy with like our schedule, it just

1044
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 5: was impossible to schedule.

1045
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: So it's supposed to start today.

1046
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 5: And speaking of schedule, because we decided to shoot for

1047
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 5: a full day, I couldn't do it today. So I'm

1048
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 5: gonna start next Monday. But therapy for sure for the

1049
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 5: rage that I'm feeling about this election, the betrayal by

1050
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 5: the country, my own frustrations would just like places where

1051
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 5: I feel like I shouldn't be, you know, Like I

1052
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 5: just want to come to terms with that and accept it,

1053
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 5: and I think the acceptance alone will quiet some of

1054
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 5: the rage.

1055
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: I'm not there yet, honestly, Like I just am.

1056
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 5: I still am like what if there was what if

1057
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 5: it was stolen you know, you know, or whatever else,

1058
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 5: or like why with my mom, I just feel like

1059
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 5: this time of the year. Last Christmas, we were gearing

1060
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 5: up for the first Christmas without my grandmother being here anymore.

1061
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 5: She died one hundred and five the February prior and

1062
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 5: her birthdays on Christmas, so we did a big Christmas

1063
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 5: celebration for her. But my mom also wanted a big

1064
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 5: Christmas because she'd just been diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer.

1065
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 5: This Christmas, we were coming into my mom being completely

1066
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 5: whole and free and now coming back into well, now

1067
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 5: we have to do a liver biopsy to see if

1068
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 5: it might have spread. And the anger I feel to

1069
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 5: the system is like, why wouldn't you do a whole

1070
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: body scan without telling her she's clear, go to rehabilitation.

1071
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 5: So the thing that has been most joyful for me,

1072
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 5: and that is the moments for she's just like and

1073
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you moved back home permanently and not

1074
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 5: going back and forth.

1075
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: And that just feels precious. And what is what has

1076
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: been humbling to.

1077
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 5: Me about it is for everybody who I couldn't understand

1078
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 5: prioritizing the election as the most important thing. The moment

1079
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 5: things shifted with my mom's health, I got it. The

1080
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 5: moment it shifted, I got it. And so it's it

1081
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 5: deepened me into compassion for people who it might not

1082
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 5: be their parents, it might be their child. It might

1083
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 5: not be their child, It might be them, you know,

1084
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 5: it may it may have been a complete destruction on

1085
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 5: the other side of a hurricane, and we're like, why

1086
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 5: couldn't you just phoney up and get back home?

1087
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: Like it just humbled me.

1088
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 5: So I think that's where I'm at, just like tapping

1089
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 5: in with staying human, staying humble, staying available and open

1090
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 5: and accessible to perspectives and lived experiences that are completely

1091
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 5: different from mine. I feel like that's the only way

1092
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 5: to get to the other side.

1093
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sorry you feel like that might be

1094
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 4: where the piece is. On the other if I gotta

1095
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 4: listen to a bunch of foolishness like that, because that's

1096
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 4: going to disrupt my peace. No, you're saying you're open,

1097
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 4: saying open minded to listen to other perspectives. And it's

1098
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 4: like us is like that.

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Speaker 1: The suspending of judgment is where the piece is.

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00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: When you suspend with the judgment, I think then you're

1102
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: not you're not let up or let down by what

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00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: the person that has to say. It is just what

1104
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: they is. It's just what it is, is what it is.

1105
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: And I think for me, you know, early in couples counseling,

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00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, Jay would uh you know mentioned often to

1107
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: the councilor how you know, I would just sort of

1108
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: and fights, just sort of reserve myself, like not say

1109
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: a whole bunch and let her do the yelling at me.

1110
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: And then and this, that and the third, and I

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00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: remember the therapist saying that is still a reaction that

1112
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: even when you're in these fights, these heated moments where

1113
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the person you're arguing with is is yelling, screaming,

1114
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, looking like they're about to rip your face off.

1115
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: Your choice either not to meet them at that same energy,

1116
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: but you may be meeting them at a different level

1117
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: of energy. And what's your level of energy may be

1118
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: is dismissal for indifference or all these other things. So

1119
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: you are having a reaction, and just because you may

1120
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: not be emoting that reaction doesn't mean you're not having one.

1121
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: And I think what I would and what that leads to,

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00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: let me finish the thought. What that leads to is

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00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: these explosive moments where I have a real big reaction,

1124
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: real big feeling. And it isn't that moment that I'm

1125
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: dealing with currently that is causing it. It is the

1126
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: build up of all those moments where my choice of

1127
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: a reaction was okay, all right, and then that thing

1128
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: is through and over with because I know I'm angry.

1129
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: I know that there is a stirring in me, even

1130
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: at the point that I am choosing to keep it

1131
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: under wraps, and that's not helpful to my that's not

1132
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: helpful to my spirit, my physical health, it's bad for

1133
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: your physical health. It's not helpful to me mentally in

1134
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: some ways because I never get allow myself constructive release.

1135
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: The release is almost going to when it comes, is

1136
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: going to be one that's explosive and likely not for

1137
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: the moment that I'm in. The reaction is not going

1138
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: to meet the moment that I'm in. It's going to

1139
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: be explosive to the moment that I'm in. So in

1140
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: this conversation around sort of hire you better taking care

1141
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: of yourself mental and so for me, it's going to

1142
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: be trying to say the thing when I'm feeling it,

1143
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: and that still doesn't mean it has to be loud

1144
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: and explosive, but it could be a release rather than

1145
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: a bottling up, and that I think that will help

1146
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: me health wise, personal health wise, but also my mental

1147
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: state as well. And trying to be as present as

1148
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: I can in these moments, which again they say with

1149
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: kids that the days are long, but the years are short.

1150
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: As I look at my daughter's skyrocketing in her height

1151
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: and my son, you know, having intelligent conversations. You know,

1152
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: as he's playing the game boy over the phone, I'm

1153
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: listening to them like way to ease dropping, And I'm like, god, wait,

1154
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: that's I'm proud of you. Good thought. You know that

1155
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But that just in a flick

1156
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: a flicker of the light, that they'll be grown and

1157
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: gone right, and so that will bring me. I know

1158
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: that there's added piece to that as well.

1159
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 5: I tell you real quick, just real quick, because you

1160
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 5: brought up physical health on this physical health moment and

1161
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: even talk about my mom, think about my mom. I

1162
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 5: am overdue of just being accountable to the NWP FAM

1163
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 5: overdue from mammogram. But I have one that I need

1164
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 5: to get scheduled. I'm doing a colonoscopy. They say that

1165
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 5: we don't need them until we're fifty. The devil is

1166
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 5: a liar that cancer is spreading at much younger ages.

1167
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: We should do that. Then.

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00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 5: That's all because I went to a physical, got my physical,

1169
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 5: and that's those are the things they recommended.

1170
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: So I highly encourage everybody to do that.

1171
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 5: Also saw cardiologist doctor Puma in New York shout out

1172
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 5: to Lenard for the plug. My I was like, I'm

1173
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 5: worried because my my LDL cholesterol levels are high in

1174
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 5: these full lab panels, which I also understand is a privilege.

1175
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 5: So I'm acknowledging that it's not my cholesterol that's the problem.

1176
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 5: It's my very consistent high blood pressure that's the problem.

1177
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 5: So it's pre hypertension. So in the midst of us

1178
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 5: trying to protect our peace, there is a physical reasons

1179
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 5: why we have to protect our path.

1180
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1181
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 4: I think that's what both of you guys said. It's

1182
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 4: so good, you know what you said though, that struck

1183
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 4: me most about judgment, suspending judgment, and I think I

1184
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 4: don't believe people when they say don't have judgment, Like

1185
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 4: I think we just judge maybe different things. I know

1186
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 4: I judge myself the harshest. So when you were saying that,

1187
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I like, who do I judge?

1188
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, me, Like, I judge myself the harshest

1189
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 4: for sure, And so I think my piece has to

1190
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 4: come internally, like I you know, I don't believe, and

1191
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 4: I'm so angry and not having a response. You know,

1192
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 4: I was very angry this month at someone and I

1193
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 4: to me, it's like, well, don't even say anything. Like

1194
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 4: they don't deserve your response, Like to me, that's ego,

1195
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 4: Like if I don't get I have all this rage

1196
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 4: inside me and it needs to be positive. Somewhere where

1197
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 4: is the dignity? And I'm just gonna walk away silently

1198
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 4: and not say anything like no, I want you to know.

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01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 4: I think you're a shitty person for doing this thing,

1200
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 4: you know, and I want you to see the pain

1201
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 4: that you caused. I want you to see the trust

1202
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 4: you violated. I want you to hear it. And when

1203
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 4: you don't do that, I mean, it produces cortisole in

1204
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 4: your body, which causes inflammation, which causes illness, you know.

1205
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 4: And so I think what I'm concluding is I have

1206
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: to curate spaces around me that do not invite toxicity

1207
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 4: and be responsible for that. I don't owe anybody my piece,

1208
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 4: whether we're blood related or not. I can cut off

1209
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 4: a relationship that doesn't service either of us, you know,

1210
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: all of those things on my phone, As y'all know,

1211
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 4: I've been on my phone a lot lately, and I

1212
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 4: have felt it, you know. Again, I'm looking at puppy

1213
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 4: videos for hour, these vegan videos, and it's like you

1214
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 4: could be reading, you could be writing, you could be walking,

1215
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 4: so really trying to do better with that. I was

1216
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 4: doing well for a while. I'm not now, And it's like,

1217
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 4: just stay away when you want to. You don't owe

1218
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 4: anybody at peace. You don't owe anybody an explanation, like

1219
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 4: you grown like you were off the grid for twenty

1220
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 4: four hours and that's what it was. And then letting

1221
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 4: the tears flow when they need to. My therapists keep

1222
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 4: telling me I have a problem with tears. I don't

1223
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 4: feel like I do, but she says no, like you

1224
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: like to talk it through and you try to like

1225
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 4: get it together. But that's because I'm paying for this session.

1226
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 4: I could cry at home. Let's get to this, you know,

1227
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 4: like let me swallow this, just get out what I'm

1228
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 4: gonna say. I'm gonna cry when I leave. So yeah,

1229
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 4: I haven't figured it all out, but those are things

1230
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 4: that I'm thinking about, you know, twenty twenty five. Can

1231
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 4: I go and putting things in their proper context because

1232
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 4: I'm also very regimented. I'm very detailed, and so had

1233
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 4: you said today like hey guys, we need to push

1234
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 4: taping time back or we're gonna take Tuesday instead, that

1235
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 4: would send me like, oh, I'm like, my anxiety is

1236
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 4: through the roof now, and I plan my days meticulously.

1237
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 4: I even put on there, like from nine to twelve,

1238
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 4: I'm writing, you know, and so trying to manage that.

1239
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 4: You know, with anybody, if you say, hey, let's meet

1240
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 4: at four o'clock and I'm there at four o'clock and

1241
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: you show up at four twenty, I got an attitude

1242
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 4: because I'm like, I could have sent that email, I

1243
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 4: could have done laundry, I could have done this, you know,

1244
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 4: all the things I was rushing to get here, so

1245
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: all these little things to seem to be eating away

1246
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 4: at my piece. So I don't know, I'm figuring it out.

1247
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 4: You guys gave some good input, but those are just

1248
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 4: some things that I'm trying to do. But I'm open

1249
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 4: to suggestions.

1250
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm trying to contribute to your piece and be more

1251
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: on time this year.

1252
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 4: Then well I was late today, so you were, yeah,

1253
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: But I don't even mean this like that can be

1254
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 4: you know, I'd be late. No, But that's like mildly frustrating.

1255
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 4: Frustrating is if you're like, tip, let's get something to eat,

1256
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 4: let's meet at four, and I'm sitting there at the

1257
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 4: spot and you ain't there at.

1258
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: Four o clock. But I mean that too, I mean

1259
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 3: for the podcast, and generally I'm track it off. Why

1260
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 3: showing up, Probably.

1261
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 4: Because were leaving together, even making me late. So yeah,

1262
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 4: that's good.

1263
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 6: I try to.

1264
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: But your point where you were was you were inviting

1265
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: other feedback I think from folks.

1266
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 4: I want to hear from how other people are maintaining

1267
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 4: their peace.

1268
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 3: Tell me you're going to get your mammogram and your colons.

1269
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: I want to hear about that.

1270
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: And you can't know about the colon. I've never had

1271
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 4: a column.

1272
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 3: I've never had one either.

1273
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: You do it? Yeah, I will.

1274
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 5: Why don't we all do them together? I mean not

1275
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 5: in the same moment, you guys, let's all get them.

1276
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 4: We're broadcasting live on the podcast, all of us together.

1277
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 5: No, And I think I'll keep my motey to myself,

1278
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 5: but I would like to say that we would.

1279
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 3: We are.

1280
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 5: I think we're all committing to doing that. We are

1281
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 5: going into Can we commit to the first quarter of

1282
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 5: the new year?

1283
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: My daughter can get me on you look at it well,

1284
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 4: because I don't know for other reasons which I will

1285
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: share offline.

1286
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right? Heard, Well, we're gonna try.

1287
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll try. I exactly. I'm not afraid to do

1288
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 4: like I want to. It's some other issues, understand.

1289
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: All right, y'all, this has been a real episode. We

1290
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: should take a breath together when we're not recording.

1291
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 4: Umb holding Umbo holding hold y'all, don't know that.

1292
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 3: Peace be still. I know that that sounds like Tina

1293
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: also known as Angela Bassett.

1294
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: Yes, that was Numbia holding Tina Turner. What's love got

1295
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 4: to do with it?

1296
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: What?

1297
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 4: Remember she was? She was talking about Laurence Fis versus.

1298
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 4: I don't do that, Jackie.

1299
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 3: You don't know how many days is?

1300
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 4: How many?

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01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: Oh? How about this? There are six hundred and eighty

1302
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: four days to the midterm elections. Y'all. As always, we

1303
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you for being a community

1304
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: with us. During today's episode. I thought it was particularly special.

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