1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: a break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely ready 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: for a break. Yeah, and so much for that. It's 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hi, guys, 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Cowboys Break. Football is 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: one step closer. Time is moving, it is moving fast. 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: OTAs have started this week. It started yesterday, but today 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: is the first time that the media gets to see 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: the whole team come together, where the rookies merge with 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: the veterans and see how that looks. But before we 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: get into OTAs and all that, I just wanted to 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: clear things up, well, try to clear things up with 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott and what happened with him in the incident 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, because a lot of people are asking 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: what's going on here, what's going to happen with him? 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: And wanted to get an update from you guys if 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: there is an update. Well, we probably made ourselves look 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: like fools two years ago trying to predict what was 21 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: going to happen with Zeke in a situation like that. 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: He was not arrested, He was not charged with anything. 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: Stephen Jones made that pretty clear on Monday afternoon after 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: that news surfaced the videos on Twitter. I bet you've 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: seen it if you're listening to this doesn't look like 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: a ton in terms of, you know, legal issues or 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: criminal issues. But I would I am hesitant to try 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: to predict what the NFL is going to do with 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: disciplinary matters at this point after everything that I've seen 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: in my time doing this. Yeah, I mean, it didn't 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: look that bad. He having the elbow out didn't help. 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: That's the only thing that I saw was the elbow 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: was out. But really, what I take from this is 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: it does it's probably and then you're right about being 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: hesitant on this, It's probably going to be okay for Zeke. 36 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't think it helps Crawford at all because I 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: think when you look now you're looking at videos to 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: compare Tyrone Crawford's, you know, that video is way worse 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: and in terms of and it draws more attention to 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboys that the team is like, Okay, what's going on? 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: So I you know, I actually talked to Tyrone over 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: the weekend, and he he said he felt like he 43 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: was okay legally, but again, you don't know NFL wise, 44 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: he was, you know, probably concerned by that, you know, 45 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: for missmissing a game or two or I would agree 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: with that. So and I just don't think maybe, and 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure the NFL or anybody would be like, no, no, 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: two things are the same, but I think that they 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: are in terms of okay, this one it's Zeke, you know, 50 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: and here he is again. But I don't think it's 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: just enough to to It doesn't look like enough. And 52 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: you know, there's uh, you know what was said right right? 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: Not no. He said something about like you know, why 54 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: are you in my face or something like that, and 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: the guy, you know, looked like a flop to me. 56 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: But also it really happened like he barely touched him 57 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: with a nailbow and he just fell back. I will 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: say this, I will. I mean that the video and 59 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily tell the whole story, you know, Like I always, 60 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: I hesitate to just have this ridiculously strong take just 61 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: based on forty seconds of video that I saw, and 62 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't there. Um, it doesn't it doesn't look like 63 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: enough based on what's there. But again it's I mean, 64 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell is the only guy that has to have 65 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: an opinion about this to change that conversation real quick. 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: You know what Zeke did last year as far as 67 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: coming back and play, you know, from the suspension and 68 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: kind of I don't know about turning things around, but 69 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: but he definitely, you know, had less incidents like that. 70 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: He showed a lot of signs of maturity and he 71 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: still does. But you know, the problem that I have 72 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: is is it's not so much that night, it's the 73 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: next day, Like that's again I'm just, if I'm being honest, 74 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: I have a problem with that of him having a 75 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: camp the next day and and treating it like well, 76 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: you know it should be like but he made it right, 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: he made it in Yeah. But if if the timeline 78 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: of events is as described, he was doing stuff in 79 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: Las Vegas at three am and then was here on 80 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: the Star at the Star doing a camp like less 81 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 1: than twelve hours later, right, I just you know, that's 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: that's not a great look. But it's like you do 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: whatever you want the night before. You know, he didn't, 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: he didn't do anything wrong. But I agree with Nick 85 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: that it's it's not an awesome look in my opinion. Yeah, 86 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: just just from you know, you think about it from 87 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: you know, parents that pay their kids paying good money 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: to get to go there. Pro Bowl running back again. 89 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: You don't want to you don't want to speculate, and 90 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: we're kind of getting a little close for that. But 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: but the three am, all I know is that usually 92 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: I found out at three am, I'm probably not ready 93 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: to go to work. Yeah that, and so now by 94 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: twelve whatever and were again. I think everything's gonna be 95 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: fine there. But you know, it's a it's a little setback. 96 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: Did one of you guys go to the camp? Not 97 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: that one? I didn't, So we don't really know how 98 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: it turned out with him or how much how he 99 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: acted his participation, you know, because if he was able 100 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: to participate enough, then it doesn't really matter. I've been 101 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: to work with a hangover before. I cannot. I cannot 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: to the Ranger game last night? Was that or it's 103 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: an a Mariners game? That was? It's a Mariners game 104 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: they lost? I was. It was a very tame night. 105 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm not hungover right now? Do you think Zeke does 106 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: this more than more than we know? About too, Like 107 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: I think he's used to this kind of thing, I mean, 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: staying out, coming to work, being a running back. It's 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: it's pretty He's twenty three years old, we know. I mean, 110 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: he likes to have fun, and that's his right. I 111 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: mean a lot of these guys do they you know, 112 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: they take trips all the time. I don't have a 113 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: single problem with that, good goodness, gracious, especially not in 114 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: the offseason. I mean, that's what you should be doing 115 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: if you're twenty three and have the type of money 116 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: that pro football players have. Um, and we talk about 117 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: this all the time though, the whole fact that this 118 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: is the situation, what we saw, it's something that people do. 119 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: Young people do that and go through those scenarios instead. 120 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: But it just brings small light to him. It's tough. 121 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: It's tough because you want to be like, well, you 122 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't be in those types of situations. It's like we've 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: all been there. Yeah, I have been there a million times. 124 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: I agree all of that is is right. It's just 125 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: that you had a really big work day the next morning. 126 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing. That's that that's my only 127 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: issue with it. Again, and I you know, you get. 128 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: He has to realize that everyone's got a phone, everyone's 129 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: everyone's showing. You know, it's if you're gonna wear Lebron 130 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: James jerseys like that. I mean, really, who's gonna wear 131 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: a jersey like that? Yeah? Who would ever do that? 132 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it sucks. I mean, we had 133 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: the camera on you that day too. The rules are different. 134 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: The rules are different when you're Zeke Elliott, and it's 135 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily fair to him. But so, what 136 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: were some of the things that Stephen Jones? He really, 137 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: he really didn't say a whole lot. He said, we're 138 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: still gathering information, don't. I mean, he's right, which maybe 139 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: we should listen to him. He said, it's unfair to 140 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: really comment on it beyond the fact that we're still 141 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: learning about it. This was Monday, so I'd assume they've 142 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: got a pretty clear picture by now. I'm sure Jason 143 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: Garrett'll talked about it later today, Zeke may talk about 144 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: it himself. We'll see the locker room's going to be 145 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: open today. Not sure, it doesn't seem like a huge deal, 146 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: but it definitely is kind of a hiccup in what 147 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: had been a very you know, feel good offseason for him. Yeah. 148 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: Now moving on to OTAs that started yesterday. Obviously this 149 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: is far away from real football and we always talk 150 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: about it and it's not that exciting, but the media 151 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: is out there and we get to watch some of 152 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: the things that happened there. I wanted to get each 153 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: of your opinion and like, what are some of the 154 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: things that you're looking for today, and like what to 155 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: watch for during this first practice that we'll get to see. 156 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Even though you're not above doing it, I'll do it 157 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: for you. Plug your article for yesterday. Dave wrote an 158 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: article about five things to to really watch, so let 159 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: me I was kind of struggling by the end of it, 160 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, though, Like the time I 161 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: got to number five, I was like, ah, just because 162 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: it's probably because you know what she just said. You 163 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: know that it's not right real like you're not really 164 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: going to be able to see if Connor McGovern could bloak. 165 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: I don't want Yeah, oh, I could write twenty things, 166 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: but I want to try to be as honest as possible. 167 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: What was what was one number one for me was 168 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: just that this will be the first chance we get 169 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: to see the offense under Kellen Moore and like air 170 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: quotes big time because not really, but I mean it's 171 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: still you know, it's stuff that he's installing and stuff 172 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: that they're gonna use under him. I don't expect to 173 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: see anything, you know, juicy, but it's still get some 174 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: sort of look at like what he's trying to install 175 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: on what they're trying to look Yeah for me, and 176 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: I think this was on your list too, Like I 177 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: just want to see how we how we line up 178 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: on offense, the offensive line, yeah, first and second teams. 179 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: You just what are we starting with here? You know, 180 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: where's Frederick? Is he right there at the center spot? 181 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: And you know no issues there? Where's McGovern, Where's Suaphila 182 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: Looney those guys like that? Just just how it all 183 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: shakes out to start with, and then you know it's 184 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: all subject to change, especially with injuries and stuff like that. 185 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: I just want to kind of see where they where 186 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: they have these guys. That was my number that was 187 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: my number four, I think. I mean, Frederick is expected 188 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: to be limited, so you know, don't know how much 189 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: you'll see of him. McGovern can play center and I 190 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: expect them to work him there. It's some a little 191 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: bit in the In the next month, um Lyle Collins 192 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: had a surgery that he's still coming back from, so 193 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: that should be an opportunity for Cam Fleming. Yeah, I mean, 194 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: I know it looks based which we you know, even 195 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: though we work here, we didn't get to go to 196 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: yesterday's Ota, but based on photos and stuff, it looked 197 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: like he was the first string left guard. So I 198 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: don't know about that. Yeah, Connor was, um, so I 199 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: don't know about that. Yeah, I know that name. They 200 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: do this stuff on purpose, is like they get as 201 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: many similar names as they can. Um, you know, yeah, 202 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: so you know, I don't know if that'll happen, but 203 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: there should be some shifting and some different stuff they 204 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: can try out. That should be fun there. Um. One 205 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: other one for me is again you're not going to 206 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: see a lot of it, um just you know about 207 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: them tackling or anything like that. But I do want 208 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: to kind of see that Sean Lee you know, in 209 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: the in the sam position. You know, see what's going 210 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: to happen there. If he's gonna be I mean, it 211 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: sounds like he's going to be the starting strong side linebacker. Um. 212 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: You can definitely tell in the offseason that he has 213 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: changed his his physique a little bit. His upper body 214 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: looks very noticeable that he is he's gotten bigger there um. 215 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: So I'm anxious to see how how that plays out 216 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: and if he can play that position. I mean, you 217 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: can get those three linebackers on the field. I know 218 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: they say they don't play bass a lot, but they 219 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: might play it more of Sean Lee's there. I don't 220 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: even want to talk about this injury wise because I no, no, no, 221 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: it's but people mention it all the time. You know, 222 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: injuries and how these let's say hamstring injuries happen a 223 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: lot during this time, and what he could possibly mean 224 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: for a guy like Sean Lee who is trying to 225 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: get back it is known his past record of injuries. 226 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: What if something like that happens during this time. See, 227 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: that's why I think that it's a real interesting move. 228 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: They typically the strong side linebacker plays about twenty percent 229 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: of the snaps, and the way the system is now, 230 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: when it's Damien Wilson or god give me some other names, 231 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: that maybe oh geez, maybe Hitchens Wilbur did it for 232 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: a little while. I mean it's been Damien for the 233 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: last like four years and he doesn't play a whole 234 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: lot so and no Taco. So if it's so, if 235 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: it's not, you know, so if he's not out there, 236 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: it's it's something that they're used to playing with. Um, 237 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a good situation. It's almost like 238 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: win win, Like if he's out there and he's healthy, 239 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: they can do some different things. If not, it's not 240 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: going to be much different than what they've done in 241 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: the past, which that also speaks you know, and it's 242 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: exciting because they're back on the field, but it's may 243 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: and they'll probably limit what a lot of those guys 244 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: do for that very reason is you know, not to 245 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: set them back to the point where they might not 246 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: be ready for training camp. That's another thing is you know, 247 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: don't expect to see a lot of DeMarcus Lawrence. You know, 248 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: you know Kent now you can do the taco drop 249 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: because he's probably not going to do a lot there 250 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: we go. He just had an ankle surgery. So I 251 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: expect to see a lot of young guys, you know, 252 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, Connor McGovern should get a lot of 253 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: work at Center if Travis Frederick is limited. So I 254 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: think there should be some cool opportunities there for some rookies. 255 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: Mickey actually wrote an article about nine nine guys that 256 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: were on us have surgeries that aren't going to be 257 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: participate rating here. I didn't really you know, you hear 258 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: one or two here and you think, and I would 259 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: have thought four to five. And then you really break 260 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: it down to the Cindric Wilsons and all that I said, 261 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: Lyle Collins had something done. I mean a lot of 262 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: these happened a while ago. But again, you know, why 263 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: risk anything. Antoine Woods had a shoulder surgery. Byron Jones. 264 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: We're not going to see Byron. So there's an opportunity 265 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: for some of your young corners right there. I think 266 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: we'll see Woods. Antoine Woods. I would expect so because 267 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: he had his surgery in January. And that's why what's 268 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: interesting about that for me is it's really the same 269 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: surgery as what DeMarcus Lawrence had, and so you want 270 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: to see when he came back and he actually was 271 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: fortunate to have it right seasons over? Is it? You know, 272 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: where's this going to play? Because you go back to 273 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: that first game against the Giants and you think, I 274 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: think we talked about this last week who from the 275 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: defensive line. Do you are you sure is going to 276 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: be there? I mean, do you know d Law will 277 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: be there? Maybe you, Randy Gregory. There's no way you 278 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: can even predict that. And all signs would pointed probably not, 279 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford, probably not. Maybe. So you look at the 280 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: defensive end, that's three three guys there. That's I mean, 281 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: Jalen Jelks and those guys you know, Joe Jackson, Oran's Armstrong. Yeah, 282 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's although don't every year. Don't forget Quinn though, 283 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, oh yeah, I mean Robert Quinn for sure. 284 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, and this team has gotten really 285 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: good at saying, okay, well these players will play Week 286 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: one because we have a defensive starter that's going to 287 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: be suspended. I mean, what are we at six years 288 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: in a row? Now? Maybe? Yeah, I mean maybe yeah. 289 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's circul to the Rolando mcclean's and d Law, 290 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: David Irving, Gregory long list Gregory, uh Gregory, you know right, 291 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: Brandon Carr, Hey, hey, don't start listing never missed games. No, 292 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. I mean usually when you look at 293 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: I can't hear that. I just kind of a little bit. 294 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: I forgot you're not wearing your head I kind of 295 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: could hear a little bit. Car Clayborne and Scandrid Nice 296 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: anywhere are those headphones? Well they really go to that one. 297 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm waiting on Derek to come in. I was just 298 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: gonna say, it's really interesting because at first your initial 299 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: thought is to get kind of freaked out when you 300 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: see this this type of list of injured guys and 301 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: are recovering and all that stuff. But when what that 302 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: does it allows to create opportunities for these other guys 303 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: and allows the Cowboys to prepare this early on for 304 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: when the season starts and kind of figure out who 305 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: the backup guys will be and earned the spot. Yeah yeah, 306 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: and I mean it starts, it starts this month. Although 307 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, again what I don't Why do I always 308 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: apologize for sounding like a wet blanket, like that's what 309 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: I do. But I just remember last year, you know, 310 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: g hot Ward looked great and he was like the 311 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: starting He was a starter on the d line because 312 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Malie Collins was out out and people were real high 313 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: on him, and it clearly didn't work out. 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Now, 358 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: we found out not too long ago that the Buccaneers 359 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: released defensive tackle Jural McCoy, and I wanted to check 360 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: in with you guys if you thought that the Cowboys 361 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: have any interest in bringing him back, especially after with 362 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: this cause all day injuries and scenarios here. Yeah. I 363 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: think it was Adam Schefter from NFL or where is 364 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: Adam Schefter? Sorry? He um listed the Cowboys as some 365 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: potential teams that he would be you know, that might 366 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: be has some interest there. I don't think that the 367 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys have come out and said that they're you know, 368 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: I mean, Cowboys haven't said there's any interest. We'll see today. 369 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: But I don't think you just talking to some people 370 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: that there would be Tristan Hill. They drafted him and 371 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: they have the money for it. But I just I 372 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: just don't see that as a as a guy that 373 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: they would they would turn in here, because, like I said, 374 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: they know they have some young guys that they liked there, 375 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: and I think the focus would be on just so 376 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: many other players that you did you have to sign. 377 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: He's not going to get a big deal, but you know, 378 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: I just I just see there would probably be teams 379 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: with more money, with maybe a better fit for him. 380 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's totally conceivable that they could get out bid. 381 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: He is a six time pro bowler. And it doesn't 382 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, just from being around here, it doesn't sound 383 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: like there's a whole lot of interest. I don't really 384 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: get it. I think this is the rare example of 385 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: a guy that would be Taylor made to go after. 386 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: He's thirty one years old. He's had some injury issues 387 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: that should keep his price relatively low. Tristan Hill is 388 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: the only defensive tackle of the significance on this team 389 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: that's under contract beyond this season. And I know they 390 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: feel when they always feel good about their guys. I 391 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: know they love to say that, but like, which of 392 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: the guys that's on this team is definitively better than 393 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: a six time pro bowler? Right now? Let me ask 394 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: you this question, Dave. When you say go after are 395 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: you are you willing to go go in on a 396 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: multi year deal for significant money or when you say 397 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: go after is it if it falls to you, you 398 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: make it known to him and his agent. Hey, we're 399 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: interested talking, but it's only if the deal works that 400 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: it's just a one year for relatively little money. I 401 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to sign him for more than two years, 402 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want to pay him more than like 403 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: even like ten sounds like a lot like somewhere if 404 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: he wanted to sign between you know, six and nine, 405 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: and it's you know, the rap woars and the chefters 406 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: of the world have made it known like he wants 407 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: to play for a contender. He wants to play for 408 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: a team that can get to the playoffs. He's never 409 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: been in the playoffs in nine years in Tampa, so 410 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: it's conceivable. And from Oklahoma City, by the way, grew 411 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: up a cowhos Fane went to OU. Like I said, 412 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons why it sounds plausible that 413 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: he might be willing to sign here on a fair deal. 414 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys are interested. I don't really 415 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: get the feeling that that would happen, but I would 416 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: try to make it happen if I were them. Yeah, 417 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you. This is a question 418 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: of will they or should they? I think Nick was 419 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: pretty clear, and I think that's everything that all of 420 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: us have heard is is it doesn't look like they 421 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: want to. But when you talk about it from a 422 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: standpoint of should they, I kind of agree with Dave 423 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: that this is an opportunity if it should fall to you, 424 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: if you get the money right and you can get 425 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: him for a year, two years, then to me, he 426 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: is better than right now. He is better as a 427 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: three technique than anybody you have on your team. And 428 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: I saw a fan put this out there. I'm not 429 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: sure you may know the ramifications of this, but you 430 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: look at a guy like Tyrone Crawford and the amount 431 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: of money that he makes, would there be some relief 432 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: if you were to release him to be able to 433 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: sign a guy like that that would replace at least 434 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: the role defensive tackle. Now there is the issue of 435 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: is Crawford more of a defense to end yeah, as 436 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: it currently sits, because they got a lot of defensive 437 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: tackles on this team defensive ends. I don't know if 438 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: they got enough to start to see they like having 439 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: a guy like that can switch back, yeah, versatile, so 440 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: Tyrone can provide that, and he's been here, and I 441 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: think they have enough ends. I don't think that they 442 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: have enough ins that we just talked about that they 443 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: can count on for Week one, right, and that that's 444 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: the issue. But yeah, I think they have plenty of 445 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: defensive ends and I don't know if they have enough 446 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: tackles there, but they don't have a lot of tackles 447 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: that are under contract, and which you know, in a 448 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: perfect world, you would sign McCoy to a one year deal, 449 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: which that doesn't really alleviate the problem of not having 450 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: any guys under contract. But he's a two time All Pro. 451 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: He's never had less than six sacks in a season 452 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: at defensive tackle. How many big number, how many guys, 453 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: how many guys on this team can say they've had 454 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: six sacks in a season. Yeah, and it's like Quinn 455 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: Lawrence and but I don't think anybody else draft in 456 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, and is should be the reason that you 457 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: would consider it more than a reason that you wouldn't. 458 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: Here's a young guy that that is you know, he's 459 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: he's still he's gonna be raw, obviously, and he's gonna 460 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: learn from Marinelli and Lee Unlett. That's great, But in 461 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: the trenches they're getting to learn from a guy like 462 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: like Gerald McCoy. I think that would that would be 463 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: even better. Is that a position where you would expect 464 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: a quick impact that he could learn? You know, boy, no, no, 465 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: Tristan about quick impact? Um, if he's if he is 466 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: the badass they make him out to be. It's mean 467 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: Malie Collins stepped in and there was a reason why 468 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: they picked him where they picked him. If this was 469 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: a guy that was picked in the top ten a 470 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, then yes, you would expect that he would 471 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: immediately step in. Defensive tackle is not a position where 472 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: he couldn't immediately step in and give you immediate production. 473 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna there's a reason why the second round he's 474 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: gonna produce if he can. If he and this is 475 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: why I think if you signed someone like a McCoy, 476 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: he would produce. Tristan Hill would produce even more because 477 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: if you ask him to play all these snaps in 478 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: there and he has to play against the run time 479 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: in and time out, he's gonna he's gonna have some problem. 480 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: If he can come in on Nickel situations and get 481 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: over that center and rush him, that's where he really 482 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: is going to be effective right away. So I think 483 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: the less he has to play three downs, I think 484 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: that the better he can be. And you get some 485 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: guys in here like that, but he might be better 486 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: than you're Antoine Woods and maybe even Malie Collins. So 487 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm not making more sense the more we keep talking 488 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: about it. I think that's the thing. I think everybody 489 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: that I've at least heard talk about it, I think 490 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: it makes sense. I just don't think I think the 491 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Cowboys are at least what I think. I think they're 492 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: kind of too far down the road. Is in their 493 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: own opinions. They feel like they've already gotten that position solidified. 494 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: They feel like they have quality players at the defensive 495 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: tackle position, and I just don't think they're necessarily looking now. 496 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean this couldn't get fluid. If he's sitting 497 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: out on the market, come training camp and nobody's willing 498 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: to pay him, and the Cowboys and say, well, this 499 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: guy's just sitting out there, we can get a really 500 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: favorable deal. I know they're opportunistic, right, I just think 501 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: that's some point, at some point in a span of 502 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: three to four years, I mean, every every few years. 503 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: It's good to sit there in fold hands every now 504 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: and again and play you know, little pots here, but 505 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: everyone once in a while you just want to push 506 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: him in, push all the chips in in the middle, 507 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: and say, look, I'm all in. I'm all in on 508 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: this team on this year. I got a great young team, 509 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: this guy could fit. Got offensive line that's really good, 510 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: I got great skill players. Let's go get this thing. 511 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what would be the problem 512 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: with doing that. Let's assume let's assume what Dave said. 513 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: Let's assume if they end up paying him, they want 514 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: to do it. They're gonna be willing to pay him 515 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: nine million over a year or two years or whatever. 516 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: Does that affect their ability to sign some of these 517 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: longer term deals that they are talking about right now, 518 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: particularly DAK where you're talking million plus back. In fact, 519 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: if they sign those deals, it would be easier to 520 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: get a deal like McCoy because those first couple of 521 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: years aren't going to be as as I mean, you 522 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: can actually lower some of the base salaries. I don't 523 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: know about the thirty I mean, I don't know about 524 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: that with DAK because there's really no way to structure 525 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: it mathematically, you can't do it with that, but you 526 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: can certainly do it with him because he right now 527 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: he's making what less than a million, right he's making 528 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: two millions because he readjusted his two million. There's no 529 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: way to do this thing where he's gonna average thirty 530 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: million a year and the I mean, but isn't that 531 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: the point? Though? If if now all of a sudden, 532 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna go from one million to thirty million, do 533 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: you have the room to be able to do that? 534 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: Even if even you do, you do and Cooper's deal, 535 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you need to get Cooper's deal done. You 536 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: can Looper Cooper's accounting for fourteen million. You could lower 537 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: that to like you know, you could lower his cap 538 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: hit to like six six and even though and they 539 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: have had me pay for it right there, they have 540 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: twenty million in space right now. And for the record, like, 541 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: even if they were to sign Gerald McCoy, I wouldn't 542 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: advocate cutting Tyrone Crawford. I mean, he he plays an end. 543 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: Keep him, he's a captain. You can worry about that 544 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: next year. Next year is a much better time to 545 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: release him. I think you could. I think you would 546 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: save eight or nine million next year. This year, I think, 547 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: if I look right, I think this year is more 548 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: of a wash. You don't get anything. It's about the 549 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: same to keep him, to cut him. And by the way, 550 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't saying you cut him. I know. I saw 551 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: that on Twitter and it made me think, is that 552 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: a is that? Would that be a swap in this 553 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: instance to where what you get back would be what 554 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: you pay out? And it didn't, you know, I didn't 555 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: really know the answer. I don't know if that would 556 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: be a better fit for you. I mean, I really don't. 557 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: I know that sounds these six time pro bowler. I 558 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: don't know if that's a better fit just because of the 559 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: the versatility, right, versatility what he brings for the team 560 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: and all that, which I agree with you. The thing 561 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: is signing a guy like that, like I don't even 562 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: think of it as going all in because I think 563 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: I might be wrong. I mean, he might sign somewhere 564 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: for forty million next week, and if that's the case, 565 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: then I'm like, never mind, Like yeah, same same thing 566 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: with Earl Thomas. When you when you show me the 567 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: price tag and it's going that high, I'm out. But 568 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: assuming you could get this guy on unreasonable deal. It's 569 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: little risk with high reward. And again, these contracts are 570 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: gonna push you up against the caps soon. Bobby Wagner's 571 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: trying to break the linebacker market. Jalen Smith sees every 572 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: bit of that coming his way. You're gonna you are 573 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: eventually gonna be hard up against the cap. You are 574 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: not right now, so why not try to maximize the 575 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: next season or two where you can still get away 576 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: with it? Well, if if my understanding is correct, you 577 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: can actually roll over salary cap money. So if they're 578 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: at it doesn't mean you have to just go ahead 579 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: and spend it this year. That means if you don't 580 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: spend it this year, you actually have it for those futures. 581 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: But see, but I mean you do you're right. But 582 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: if you could get a six time pro bowler on 583 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: a manageable salary on a team that looks pretty good, 584 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: it sounds it sounds smart to me. I win on 585 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: a one year deal. I mean, you're kind of you're 586 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: kind of going in already. Yeah, I would maybe their 587 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: go in player for this year. Yeah, we've already done that. 588 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: We're not willing to try for Quinn And they gave 589 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: a pretty decent amount of ring of Randall cop The 590 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: Rams never stopped. You know, the Rams just got Sue 591 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: and Donald of course, and then you know they kept 592 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: adding guys going bad guy, but I mean they just 593 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: kept adding guy. It helped there were a couple of 594 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: plays away from winning a Super Bowl. Yeah, you like 595 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: I said, like, even if even if they even if 596 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: they extend Dak, Let's say they extend Dak and Amari 597 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: this year, they will still have one to two seasons 598 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: before those hits really start to affect their cap because 599 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: we Amario'll lower it and Dak's big numbers won't kick 600 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: in for a year or two. So you'll have a 601 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: short window where you can still add talent to this 602 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: roster without really having to worry about you know, Jalen 603 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: doesn't need a new deal till twenty twenty one, YadA, YadA, YadA. 604 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: I'd say try to maximize this short little window you 605 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: have before these huge contracts start coming home. And by 606 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: the way, in twenty twenty one, I think is the 607 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: year that they're going to have to have a new CBA. 608 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: So who knows what the CAP's gonna look like, how 609 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: much money is gonna be guaranteed, like they'll have to 610 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: they'll have to give to players. It may change everything economically, 611 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: so so that there's a lot that would be a 612 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: part of that. I don't think they're gonna do it, 613 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: but I think they should. I feel like they would though, 614 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: because looked at what they have done so far. They 615 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: have given so much importance during this offseason to the 616 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: whole defense. During free agency, during the draft, they used 617 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: a lot of their draft picks just on defense. So 618 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: clearly they're trying to rebuild and reinforce and build on 619 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: what they already had last year, which was pretty good. 620 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: So I think they're they're deciding to make that final 621 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: push and turn it over to hopefully an elite defense. 622 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: We'll see what The longer he gets the air, the 623 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: longer he goes unsigned, the better it is probably for 624 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: your hopes of it happening, because it means that the 625 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: price he wants probably isn't out there. And literally twelve 626 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: hours after the Bucks cut him, they signed Sue. And 627 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: I believe like his deal is worth up to ten million, 628 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: which means that's incentive based. So if you can sign 629 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: in Dominican Sue for seven to eight then I would 630 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: think McCoy is probably similar because they're same age range. 631 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: I think at this point in my opinion, I think 632 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: McCoy's a better player than Sue personally, but I'm not 633 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: going to tend to have watched tape of them. I 634 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: just know that they're both pretty good. I Sue, to 635 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: me is the class Like it's so obvious. Sue turned 636 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: it on in the playoffs last year, like he just 637 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: got plays when he wants to. Yeah, he went through 638 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: the motions until they got to the playoffs and then 639 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: was like, oh wait, I'm actually still really good, which 640 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: and I may need to get a new contract. Everything 641 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: I've ever heard about Gerald McCoy is that he's one 642 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: of the highest character players in the NFL. So I 643 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: don't think maybe what I'm talking about that I would 644 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: I would have liked to get sued here because this 645 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: whole turn it on, turn it off thing. If Rod 646 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: Marinelli is is the guy that everyone says he is 647 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: and in the way he coaches and we see the 648 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: way he coaches, he'll keep it on, he'll turn it off. 649 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: But I also think also think that Rod Marinelli wants 650 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: guys that showed that propensity at least the things I've 651 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: heard about him, even during the draft process. He particularly 652 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: looks for guys who are high motor guys and actually 653 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: shuns guys that are not motor. So my thought would 654 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: be to him, Yeah, my thought would be he would 655 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: probably be the one of the people to say we 656 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: don't need Sue. I think Rod would shut that down immediately, yeah, 657 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: which I mean because and for other reasons too. He 658 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: thinks Tristan Hills that underdog type guy. He likes those guys. 659 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: He does because it makes him look better if he 660 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: can coach him up. You can't coach up Sue. I mean, 661 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean that's the like you probably can't, especially at 662 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: this point in his career. I'm not saying he can't 663 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: coach him up. What I'm saying, if if he has 664 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: this great year, I don't think anyone's gonna be patting 665 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: Rod on the back. And that's what he wants, That's 666 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: what all coaches want. I don't know about that, because 667 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: I think I think the narrative around Sue right now 668 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: is he's a guy that by for the most part, 669 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: did not play great throughout the season last year, played 670 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: well in the playoffs, did not play great. So if 671 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: Rod could get him to play with a high motor 672 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: at this point in his career. I think that would 673 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: be a pat on the back for us. So Gerald McCoy, 674 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: same thing is that gonna be? Is that gonna fit 675 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: into the I just think did he call him? I 676 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: forgot the orphans orphans that I'm not calling him that anymore. 677 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: Even if they don't sign Gerald. Now, they got played, 678 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: they put too much. Yeah, they got players, line, they 679 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: got players. But I think I think it would make 680 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: the team better. And I agree there's nobody that you 681 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: would have to cut Gerald McCoy for that you just 682 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: can't bear to part ways with. Like I would throw 683 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: him in there and be like, you know, we're probably 684 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: gonna keep four defensive tackles. So that's two of them 685 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: right there. This good luck to the rest of they. 686 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: I'll find them. There's two other roster respects, No, just 687 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Nil is going to be here. Hill will be here 688 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: and if he were to sign, McCoy will be here. 689 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: And the other guys can figure it out. Who else 690 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: did Collins? Woods? Woods and Collins probably gonna be one 691 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: techniques then Colin probably you know, um Hyder figured out Coton, 692 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: Covington figured out have fun. That's what I'm trying to bring. 693 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: We're trying to increase the level of competition, and you 694 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: would have just done that. I agree a bit. Yeah, 695 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: still don't think they'll do it. Having said all of that, 696 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,959 Speaker 1: we spent a whole segment in now I don't think 697 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. Well, we'll see what happens here. 698 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: But now switching up things a little bit, well, not really, 699 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: let's stay on defense. Jordan Lewis. It's a guy that 700 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: I've we've talked about and how he has become kind 701 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: of like the black sheep of the group and and 702 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: just not really being asked involved just because of his 703 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: size and what christ Shart wants. I saw an interesting 704 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: question from a fan about the possibility or thought of 705 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: moving Jordan Lewis to the safety position and maybe trying 706 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: him out there to where he can actually be on 707 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: the field and do something for the Cowboys, you know, 708 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: a skill set wise, I still think he's a better 709 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: cover guy. You've never shown the ability to be a 710 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: like a real physical player. Not that those guys are, 711 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, in the safety position or lightening people up really, 712 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: but I mean, I just think he's a he is 713 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: a corner. I think that's a skill set all the way. 714 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: M Is he a corner here? Maybe? Maybe not, but 715 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: you know there's a place for him. I mean, there 716 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: really is a place for him here, and they showed 717 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: it last year. I mean kind of a spot duty. 718 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: You know, I think there's okay to have a preference, 719 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: but I don't think. I don't know if he's the 720 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: guy that's getting pushed out of the door, like I mean, 721 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: you say that, but I mean I haven't really seen 722 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: that yet. Yeah, And honestly, I mean he's not better 723 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: than Cheeto or Bryan Jones. So he's the third quarter right, Yeah. 724 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: And I think last year, in my opinion, if you look, 725 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: if you want to find yourself, especially in the secondary, 726 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: find yourself an MVP of that Saints game, he was it. 727 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean the way that they used him on Kamara 728 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: coming out of the backfield, I thought was really really smart. 729 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: And having that kind of depth allows you to do that. 730 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: Some teams don't have that kind of depth where they 731 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: could use a corner to be able to cover a 732 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: running back coming out of the backfield, but they had 733 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: that depth. So I think he's valuable to this team 734 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: and Now when it times comes down first contract, that's 735 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: a whole different ball game. They will figure out whether 736 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: they want to keep him or not, and whether he 737 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: wants to stay here or not. But the fact of 738 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 1: the matter is, I think he still is a valuable 739 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: a valuable piece in that second well from what we 740 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: saw last year. But when you start, you know, seeing 741 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: the corners that were brought in by Chris Rashard basically 742 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: in his preferences, and when you see that whole group, 743 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: then the question begins to rise even more to where, okay, 744 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: where does that leave Jordan Lewis and what do you 745 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: do with him? What you said is going to be 746 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: put to the test, and it'll be fascinating because we're 747 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: not going to see Byron Jones until September. I won't 748 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: be surprised if he misses a game. That's just me. 749 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: That's conjecture for the record, But I won't be surprised. 750 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: So who's going to get those reps of training camp? 751 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: Cheeto will? What do you do with Anthony Brown? What 752 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: about these gigantic corners that Amber just mentioned that they 753 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: brought in. Where does Jordan Lewis fit in that new 754 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: pecking order? Because you would think that a three year 755 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: vet who's got starting experience would be pretty high up there. 756 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: But if he's not getting reps outside over the likes 757 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: of Mike Jackson, what does that say? Yeah, No, you're 758 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: you're right about that. And the interesting thing too, is is, 759 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, you start looking at down the road and 760 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about corners, corners that are going 761 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: to be on this roster next year. You know it's 762 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: Byron Jones gonna be on the team next year. What 763 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: about Anthony Brown? Anthony Brown, I have a hard time 764 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: thinking he will be, So you know, Jordan would have 765 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: that extra year. I just don't think there's any reason 766 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: to just kind of fade him out. Now you get 767 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: to the end of the training camp and someone wants 768 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: to throw a fourth round pick at you to get him. Maybe, yeah, 769 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: depends on how Jackson and who else are we talking 770 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: about these gigantic corner I mean, Mike Jackson, Chris West. 771 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: But that's also my point on all of that is, Yeah, 772 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: they brought in all these guys, but it wasn't a 773 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: priority because most of those guys were either late picks 774 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 1: or undrafted guys. Yeah, so they're bringing in guys because 775 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: of what you said, like they don't have future right 776 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: now a corner A lot of the guys are gonna 777 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: be up on their contracts over the next couple of years. 778 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: But then you don't know what zury shard turns to 779 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: mean too. Yeah, I get that, but I'll believe it 780 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 1: when I see it. But you're gonna take an undrafted 781 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: free agent cornerback and this year he's gonna be a 782 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be playing over Jordan Lewis. Maybe it happens. 783 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. Necessarily, I'm not buying necessarily. A Lumba 784 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: is a nice player. He showed a little something at 785 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: training camp last year. He's a practice squad guy. So 786 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think you just have to let's 787 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: just let's let's pump the brakes a little bit on 788 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: that for you know, just for the what's gonna happen 789 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: this year? Maybe in the future, Well, what's gonna happen 790 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 1: this year? It wasn't a priority. If Westy makes the team, 791 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: then Chris Richard is even a better coach than I 792 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: would even give him credit for it. And the thing 793 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: about it, and there's nothing against Westy, but he there's 794 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: a reason why he didn't get drafted. I mean, six's four, 795 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the fluid movement hips that you 796 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: would look for in a corner. Why haven't they moved 797 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: him to safety? If there's a reason for all that. 798 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 1: He even says why he's not a receiver. He says 799 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: he can't catch. He said it. I mean, so if 800 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,959 Speaker 1: he can turn him into a guy that can play 801 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: corner in this league, that that will be phenomenal. That 802 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: it's really an uphill battle for him. He looks great. Oh, 803 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: look at Westy, but you know he should be playing 804 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: safety or another position typically, So we'll see if he 805 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: can he can make it. But the guy, I think 806 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: you still need to know how to catch playing that 807 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: well position, you know, but if you knocked balls down, 808 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: you get paid. Yeah, to answer to answer the question, 809 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: because we didn't really like Jordan. Jordan's probably like six fifteen, 810 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: twenty pounds underweight for what you would want a safety 811 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,479 Speaker 1: to be at, Like he's like one eighty. His height 812 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: isn't necessarily a problem, but I think his weight is, 813 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: especially because what we keep saying they want is a 814 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: box safety and Jordan like he's a tough dude. That's 815 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. But I just don't know if 816 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: he would hold up doing that, you know, week after week. 817 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: I would be surprised if they tried to do that. 818 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: What I would I mean really like to see out 819 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: of him. And maybe this is something he's working on, 820 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: because if he can be the slot corner, if he 821 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: can really work that in there, that's such a big position. 822 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, um, Christopher Shard wants a slot guy. 823 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how big you are on the outside, 824 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: that's one thing, but on the inside you can cover. 825 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: I've that's maybe I'm disillusioned because I thought that's what 826 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: he would be. Like I thought he would be the 827 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: number three corner last year and he wasn't his And 828 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, he was great against the Saints. It was 829 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: eight snaps. His participation dropped from seventy five percent in 830 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen to eighteen percent, and that was probably a 831 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: jump in that game versus a lot of games. Play 832 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: did a lot of games this season. He didn't get 833 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: on the field. I mean, the numbers are stark, and like, 834 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't think there's like this anti Jordan Lewis agenda, 835 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: Like he's a great dude. I think everybody likes him. 836 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: Chris Rashard even said, you know, he's a good player. 837 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: We've just got these guys above him. But if you 838 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: can't find a use for him, it would And I 839 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: don't think they're trying to push him out the door, 840 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 1: but it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to find 841 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: something for him in the future and like a trade 842 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: like you know, Roster gets. I will send you to 843 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: elaborate on that. Yeah, you meant another team, Yeah, if 844 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: you know somebody else's death. I mean the Cardinals sent 845 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: Ben abin Wickery here two years ago. I could see, 846 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: you know something similar. I think one of the issues 847 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: that that's that's keeping him from playing more is on 848 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 1: special teams. He's really not He hasn't been a good 849 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: special teams player. And from what I would have been told, 850 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: strength is a problem there. Strength just to go in 851 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: safety's out of the fALS double team as a gunner 852 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, being a 853 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: safety would be tough. And you know, going back to 854 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: what you said about Byron Jones this training camp, by 855 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: suspicion is that means that Jordan's probably gonna be day 856 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: one a camp, a starting cornerback on this team. So 857 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: if that's the case, he's gonna you don't think so, 858 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would be shocked. If I would 859 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: be shocked, and what I mean by that as one 860 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: of the top three, I would be shocked if he's 861 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: not out there starting day one of training camp getting 862 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: reps with the first team defense at least when they're 863 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: in nickel And if that's the case. If that's the case, 864 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: then I would bet you he would be the starting 865 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: slot with Anthony Brown outside. So that being said, that 866 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: being said, I think he's gonna have every opportunity to 867 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: be able to move the doubters wrong. So let's see 868 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: what he can do. If you can get out there 869 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 1: and show him something. Maybe Christian Shard says, you know, 870 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: this guy's got a little more than I thought he had. 871 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: If he doesn't, then you're right. Maybe at some point 872 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: they they didn't consider the fact that, especially one of 873 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: those young guys steps up. Maybe they consider the fact 874 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: they don't need him one hundred percent, right, Because if 875 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: you start training camp on the first day and Mike 876 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: Jackson or a Lumba, a Lumba is getting more snaps 877 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: than we know the writings on the wall, like okay, 878 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: he's gone, like he won't be here. Last year on 879 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: training CAM, I cannot remember very well. I didn't really 880 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: stand out in my opinion. Yeah, I just remember, barely 881 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: remember anything. I just remember being like, okay, today, they'll 882 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 1: give him some reps. Today, they'll give him some reps. 883 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: And like I, you know, I sympathize with fans. They 884 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: were asking about it, and I was curious about it. 885 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,760 Speaker 1: And it's not how the dominoes fell. But I'm interested 886 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: to see when they get to camp. I really believe 887 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: he'll be one of the top three. If he's not. 888 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: Like you said, Nicko, Man, it's not looking good for him, 889 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: not for him, but it would be good for somebody else. Yeah. 890 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: How you guys say the writing is on the wall, Yes, exactly, 891 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 1: how we see. That's not nice. It's not there yet. Sorry, 892 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,439 Speaker 1: started writing, were right on the wall, paint on the wall. 893 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: We write on the wall here. All right, Well, we 894 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: we have to go, guys, because coach Garrett. Yeah, I 895 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: guess he has to get on there and do a 896 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,919 Speaker 1: press conference. I guess. So we'll see if he says 897 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: some interesting things. Maybe he will. He will all right, 898 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for joining us. For Derrek Kingleton, 899 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: Nicki Man, David Hellmet King Garrison back there a Burgarcia. 900 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: This has been the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 901 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 902 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club