1 00:00:14,836 --> 00:00:29,436 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi, I'm Phil Donahue and I'm Marlowe Thomas, and 2 00:00:29,556 --> 00:00:32,476 Speaker 1: we're going on a series of double dates to find 3 00:00:32,516 --> 00:00:40,876 Speaker 1: out what makes a marriage last. Some couples you feel 4 00:00:40,876 --> 00:00:43,676 Speaker 1: like you could just sit around the table with forever. 5 00:00:44,356 --> 00:00:49,636 Speaker 1: Case in point, Rob and Michelle Reiner interesting, smart, and 6 00:00:50,036 --> 00:00:53,796 Speaker 1: very very funny. We visited Robin Michelle at their stunning 7 00:00:53,876 --> 00:00:57,596 Speaker 1: New England type home in Brentwood, California, where they've lived 8 00:00:57,596 --> 00:01:00,756 Speaker 1: for close to thirty years. Before them, it was owned 9 00:01:00,756 --> 00:01:04,316 Speaker 1: by Norman Lear, whose series All in the Family was 10 00:01:04,476 --> 00:01:08,996 Speaker 1: Rob's first real acting vehicle, and before that, Henry Fond 11 00:01:09,276 --> 00:01:13,356 Speaker 1: lived there. His beautiful rose garden still flowers there each year. 12 00:01:14,556 --> 00:01:18,196 Speaker 1: Rob's whole life is so steeped in classic Hollywood it 13 00:01:18,196 --> 00:01:20,876 Speaker 1: would have been impossible for me not to ask about 14 00:01:20,876 --> 00:01:25,116 Speaker 1: his famous father, Carl and his mom Mastelle. Your folks 15 00:01:25,116 --> 00:01:28,676 Speaker 1: were married for a long time, Yes, almost sixty five years. 16 00:01:28,716 --> 00:01:31,436 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, so that has to have an 17 00:01:31,436 --> 00:01:36,316 Speaker 1: influence on well, yeah, I mean, my mother said, And 18 00:01:36,476 --> 00:01:40,796 Speaker 1: this was when they had their sixtieth anniversary and they 19 00:01:40,836 --> 00:01:44,676 Speaker 1: asked her what the secret was, and she said, find 20 00:01:44,756 --> 00:01:48,676 Speaker 1: someone who can stand you, not somebody you can put 21 00:01:48,716 --> 00:01:50,516 Speaker 1: up with somebody who can put up with you. And 22 00:01:50,596 --> 00:01:52,996 Speaker 1: I think that's the key when you see a role 23 00:01:52,996 --> 00:01:55,156 Speaker 1: model them. And I remember your parents very well. They 24 00:01:55,156 --> 00:01:58,396 Speaker 1: were in our house a lot and you and your 25 00:01:58,396 --> 00:02:02,196 Speaker 1: father loved your mother singing and he supported it. Him. 26 00:02:02,276 --> 00:02:04,996 Speaker 1: He was he was like her roadie. He really would 27 00:02:05,036 --> 00:02:08,756 Speaker 1: set up the music stand. He would you invite the friends. 28 00:02:08,836 --> 00:02:11,316 Speaker 1: He was like, he was like our manage. Yeah, and 29 00:02:11,356 --> 00:02:13,876 Speaker 1: we went and it was it was adorable. I just 30 00:02:14,236 --> 00:02:16,716 Speaker 1: had to love him for it. Yeah. And what about 31 00:02:16,756 --> 00:02:19,196 Speaker 1: your family? Well, your parents, did you have come from 32 00:02:19,276 --> 00:02:23,476 Speaker 1: a strong marriage? You know, but we're marriage really Well, 33 00:02:23,556 --> 00:02:26,396 Speaker 1: my mother was in Auschwitz and lost her entire family 34 00:02:26,556 --> 00:02:30,276 Speaker 1: and moved to the States, to Oklahoma of all places, 35 00:02:30,436 --> 00:02:33,276 Speaker 1: and then moved to New York and met my father. 36 00:02:33,316 --> 00:02:35,516 Speaker 1: They got married very very quickly, and it was not 37 00:02:35,596 --> 00:02:38,276 Speaker 1: a good marriage. So well, she must have had a 38 00:02:38,316 --> 00:02:42,156 Speaker 1: lot of scars. Yeah, I mean, my god, but not 39 00:02:42,156 --> 00:02:46,196 Speaker 1: not good role models. Yeah, and this is this your 40 00:02:46,236 --> 00:02:50,396 Speaker 1: first marriage? Yeah, so how did you get the courage 41 00:02:50,396 --> 00:02:54,476 Speaker 1: to do it? Um? The beginning didn't start around so 42 00:02:54,516 --> 00:02:57,836 Speaker 1: well because we were we were going to meet each 43 00:02:57,836 --> 00:03:00,236 Speaker 1: other and then it didn't happen. We have a good 44 00:03:00,276 --> 00:03:04,196 Speaker 1: story though of how it's a really good story. Well 45 00:03:04,236 --> 00:03:06,836 Speaker 1: because I, like I said, I've been single for ten 46 00:03:06,916 --> 00:03:11,796 Speaker 1: years and making a complete and utter mess of my 47 00:03:13,036 --> 00:03:17,956 Speaker 1: romantic life in and out of different relationships. And that 48 00:03:18,396 --> 00:03:21,036 Speaker 1: really became the basis for one Harry Matzali was the 49 00:03:21,076 --> 00:03:23,396 Speaker 1: whole idea of men and women and how do you know, 50 00:03:23,436 --> 00:03:25,596 Speaker 1: how do they get together in all this? And we're 51 00:03:25,596 --> 00:03:28,796 Speaker 1: in pre production and Barry Snenfeld was sitting there with 52 00:03:28,836 --> 00:03:31,036 Speaker 1: me and I look at this copy of Premier magazine 53 00:03:31,036 --> 00:03:33,076 Speaker 1: that's sitting on the table there, and there's a picture 54 00:03:33,316 --> 00:03:38,276 Speaker 1: on the cover of Michelle Pfeiffer, And I said, you know, 55 00:03:38,356 --> 00:03:40,396 Speaker 1: I heard she's getting divorced. You know, I had had 56 00:03:40,476 --> 00:03:43,676 Speaker 1: lunch with her like six months earlier on a professional thing, 57 00:03:43,756 --> 00:03:47,516 Speaker 1: nothing and yeah, lunch. And I said, you know, maybe 58 00:03:47,556 --> 00:03:49,356 Speaker 1: I'll give her a call. I don't you know, I'm 59 00:03:49,396 --> 00:03:51,236 Speaker 1: like grasping at straws. I don't know what the hell 60 00:03:51,276 --> 00:03:53,396 Speaker 1: I'm doing. So maybe I give her a call. And 61 00:03:53,476 --> 00:03:55,316 Speaker 1: Barry says, no, no, no, no, you're not going to 62 00:03:55,396 --> 00:03:57,356 Speaker 1: call her. He says, I've a friend in New Yorker 63 00:03:57,436 --> 00:04:00,236 Speaker 1: name as Michelle Singer. You're going to marry her. He 64 00:04:00,316 --> 00:04:03,876 Speaker 1: says that like that, and I said, who is She 65 00:04:03,916 --> 00:04:06,996 Speaker 1: says a friend of mine. She's a photographer, I know. 66 00:04:07,876 --> 00:04:10,436 Speaker 1: And I said, does she's smoke? That's all I said, 67 00:04:11,436 --> 00:04:14,436 Speaker 1: because Penny was a big smoker. She smoked like four 68 00:04:14,476 --> 00:04:16,596 Speaker 1: packs that I mean, she was I couldn't stand it around. 69 00:04:16,956 --> 00:04:19,276 Speaker 1: And he said yes, and I said, I don't want 70 00:04:19,276 --> 00:04:20,996 Speaker 1: to meet her. You know, she has a smoke thirty 71 00:04:21,036 --> 00:04:22,996 Speaker 1: years but at the time, she did smoke. And that 72 00:04:23,156 --> 00:04:25,756 Speaker 1: was that. And he came back to me and he said, 73 00:04:25,756 --> 00:04:28,476 Speaker 1: do you want to meet Rob Browner. I was like, okay, yeah, 74 00:04:28,516 --> 00:04:31,116 Speaker 1: And I mean I didn't have an opinion one way 75 00:04:31,196 --> 00:04:32,636 Speaker 1: or the other. And then he came back and he said, 76 00:04:32,996 --> 00:04:34,796 Speaker 1: you know, well he's not interested because you smoke her. 77 00:04:34,836 --> 00:04:37,236 Speaker 1: I was like, I fuck it, you know, I'm serious. 78 00:04:37,236 --> 00:04:40,276 Speaker 1: That that was that. So then months goes by, and 79 00:04:40,276 --> 00:04:42,956 Speaker 1: now we're going through the picture and we're about three 80 00:04:43,036 --> 00:04:45,836 Speaker 1: quarters away through shooting and I'm doing this scene on 81 00:04:45,876 --> 00:04:48,956 Speaker 1: the Upper West Side outdoors and I look over across 82 00:04:48,996 --> 00:04:51,716 Speaker 1: the street and I see Susan Barry's at that time girlfriend. 83 00:04:51,716 --> 00:04:54,076 Speaker 1: Now they're married, and I said, and there's a very 84 00:04:54,116 --> 00:04:57,196 Speaker 1: attractive woman standing with I said, who's that woman there 85 00:04:57,236 --> 00:05:00,876 Speaker 1: and says that that's Michelle Singer. I said, that's cheer smoker. 86 00:05:01,076 --> 00:05:03,116 Speaker 1: I said that one. I said, what's she doing? He says, 87 00:05:03,116 --> 00:05:05,116 Speaker 1: We're just going to go have lunch when we break 88 00:05:05,556 --> 00:05:08,516 Speaker 1: in five minutes, we're gonna go lunch. I said, okay, 89 00:05:08,516 --> 00:05:10,996 Speaker 1: maybe I'll join you. And I really I wormed myself 90 00:05:10,996 --> 00:05:13,796 Speaker 1: into lung worm my way in. And now we're sitting 91 00:05:13,836 --> 00:05:16,796 Speaker 1: at this place docks on the upper west side. Michelle 92 00:05:16,876 --> 00:05:20,116 Speaker 1: is sitting next to Nora Ephron and I hear over 93 00:05:20,156 --> 00:05:23,036 Speaker 1: there Michelle is saying, well, I can make better vishy 94 00:05:23,076 --> 00:05:26,796 Speaker 1: swas than this, you know whatever. And I'm thinking, Jesus, Jess, 95 00:05:26,996 --> 00:05:30,116 Speaker 1: what a bitch, you know. But I'm really attracted to her, 96 00:05:30,316 --> 00:05:32,916 Speaker 1: you know. And so we walk back to the set 97 00:05:32,916 --> 00:05:34,516 Speaker 1: and I could kind of chat her up a little 98 00:05:34,516 --> 00:05:37,476 Speaker 1: bit and talk and that, and then you know, she 99 00:05:37,596 --> 00:05:39,676 Speaker 1: goes and then I say, with Barry, ask her. Maybe 100 00:05:39,676 --> 00:05:42,556 Speaker 1: I'll ask her if she wants to go out. He says, okay. 101 00:05:42,636 --> 00:05:45,036 Speaker 1: So we make a date. We make a date to 102 00:05:45,116 --> 00:05:48,836 Speaker 1: go to Cafe Luxembourg because I was going to shoot 103 00:05:48,836 --> 00:05:51,636 Speaker 1: the next day on Monday. This was a Sunday. We 104 00:05:51,796 --> 00:05:56,956 Speaker 1: get there and wed seated, and the first thing she 105 00:05:56,996 --> 00:05:59,476 Speaker 1: says is, look, if this doesn't work out, I don't 106 00:05:59,516 --> 00:06:02,516 Speaker 1: want this to hurt your relationship with Barry, your friendship 107 00:06:02,556 --> 00:06:04,876 Speaker 1: with Barry. And I'm thinking we didn't even order drink, 108 00:06:04,916 --> 00:06:08,396 Speaker 1: so it's already not working out, and I'm sweating. I'm 109 00:06:08,436 --> 00:06:12,236 Speaker 1: so nervous. She's running to the bathroom every fifteen minutes 110 00:06:12,276 --> 00:06:14,916 Speaker 1: because she knows I don't want smoking, and she's going 111 00:06:14,956 --> 00:06:17,516 Speaker 1: to smoke over there, and back and forth like this. 112 00:06:17,956 --> 00:06:20,236 Speaker 1: So it was crazy. Anyway, we got through that, and 113 00:06:20,276 --> 00:06:22,316 Speaker 1: then we started seeing each other a little bit through it. 114 00:06:22,516 --> 00:06:24,436 Speaker 1: But it's like that he's shooting one night and they 115 00:06:24,556 --> 00:06:26,636 Speaker 1: finished shooting and I go, let's go to this bar 116 00:06:26,716 --> 00:06:28,836 Speaker 1: on Canal Street and we go to bar. He's forty 117 00:06:28,876 --> 00:06:31,396 Speaker 1: one years old. He's never had a drink in his life, 118 00:06:31,396 --> 00:06:33,036 Speaker 1: and he's never ordered a drink in a bar. He 119 00:06:33,076 --> 00:06:34,676 Speaker 1: didn't know what to order, and I'm thinking, what am I? 120 00:06:34,796 --> 00:06:37,276 Speaker 1: What's going on here? You know? So he ordered a 121 00:06:37,356 --> 00:06:40,316 Speaker 1: port I don't know. I don't know what it is. 122 00:06:40,516 --> 00:06:42,956 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been to bars, but I don't drink, 123 00:06:43,076 --> 00:06:45,996 Speaker 1: you know, so anybody. So then after that, it just 124 00:06:46,076 --> 00:06:48,636 Speaker 1: I don't know, it just clicked and we never looked back. 125 00:06:48,676 --> 00:06:51,476 Speaker 1: I mean seriously, I never had any downs about it. 126 00:06:51,516 --> 00:06:53,436 Speaker 1: But also you change at the end of the movie. 127 00:06:53,476 --> 00:06:56,316 Speaker 1: I did because in the way we had it, initially 128 00:06:56,356 --> 00:06:58,876 Speaker 1: it was going to be just they were never going 129 00:06:58,956 --> 00:07:00,636 Speaker 1: to get together. They were going to see each other 130 00:07:00,636 --> 00:07:03,036 Speaker 1: and then go their separate ways. And then because I 131 00:07:03,076 --> 00:07:05,156 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how you ever got one anybody, And 132 00:07:05,196 --> 00:07:07,356 Speaker 1: then once we started again, I changed it so that 133 00:07:07,436 --> 00:07:10,956 Speaker 1: they wind up together. The Oh that's so romantic. Yeah, 134 00:07:11,116 --> 00:07:13,156 Speaker 1: what a Nora? Did you say to Nora, let's rewrite 135 00:07:13,156 --> 00:07:17,116 Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, yeah, we rewrote Yeah, to go back 136 00:07:17,156 --> 00:07:19,476 Speaker 1: to La. And then I said to her, come out, 137 00:07:19,516 --> 00:07:23,156 Speaker 1: you'll come out and and visit, you know, And so 138 00:07:24,036 --> 00:07:25,756 Speaker 1: she came out to visit. I think it was around 139 00:07:25,756 --> 00:07:28,916 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving or something like that. I can't remember. But you know, 140 00:07:28,916 --> 00:07:31,596 Speaker 1: it's the weird thing where we talked every day, you know, 141 00:07:31,716 --> 00:07:34,356 Speaker 1: every day, we would talk, you know, every night. But 142 00:07:34,396 --> 00:07:37,516 Speaker 1: then there's a thing where you haven't seen it somebody 143 00:07:37,516 --> 00:07:40,956 Speaker 1: in like a month, you know, and your mind is 144 00:07:40,996 --> 00:07:43,396 Speaker 1: your image, you don't know what. The minute you walked 145 00:07:43,396 --> 00:07:45,396 Speaker 1: off the plane, I was that I was madly in 146 00:07:45,436 --> 00:07:48,556 Speaker 1: love because I know that's that person, that same person. 147 00:07:48,636 --> 00:07:53,156 Speaker 1: So that's when I was going to be Okay, it's lovely. Yeah, 148 00:07:53,276 --> 00:07:56,476 Speaker 1: How did you know he was the right one, because 149 00:07:56,716 --> 00:07:58,636 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just knew it just felt right. 150 00:07:59,196 --> 00:08:00,876 Speaker 1: I think we just fell in love right a way 151 00:08:00,916 --> 00:08:03,116 Speaker 1: and never looked, like I said, never looked back. And 152 00:08:03,196 --> 00:08:05,596 Speaker 1: I can't explain it. There's nothing in my history that 153 00:08:06,036 --> 00:08:07,796 Speaker 1: you know, showed I was going to have you know, 154 00:08:07,796 --> 00:08:10,796 Speaker 1: I had terrible relationships before that, and I was already 155 00:08:11,196 --> 00:08:13,316 Speaker 1: like three, three years old. You know, it wasn't looking 156 00:08:13,356 --> 00:08:18,556 Speaker 1: good for me. So I don't know. I can't explain it. 157 00:08:19,356 --> 00:08:21,956 Speaker 1: When you got married, you were married within seven months 158 00:08:21,996 --> 00:08:24,996 Speaker 1: of meeting each other, right, and then it just happened 159 00:08:24,996 --> 00:08:27,676 Speaker 1: on the spur of the moment because we went to 160 00:08:27,716 --> 00:08:31,756 Speaker 1: Hawaii just to go on vacation, and you know, we're 161 00:08:31,796 --> 00:08:34,356 Speaker 1: sitting there said you know, maybe we should just get 162 00:08:34,396 --> 00:08:37,476 Speaker 1: married here was like that. It was very spur of 163 00:08:37,476 --> 00:08:40,516 Speaker 1: the moment. It's a it was a really big I mean, 164 00:08:40,596 --> 00:08:42,516 Speaker 1: I had to move from New York to California, which 165 00:08:42,556 --> 00:08:46,116 Speaker 1: is that was the worst thing ever. We were standing 166 00:08:46,116 --> 00:08:49,356 Speaker 1: there in Hawaii and we say said, oh, okay, you know, 167 00:08:49,596 --> 00:08:52,116 Speaker 1: let's uh, maybe we'll do this, and of course then 168 00:08:52,116 --> 00:08:55,436 Speaker 1: I got a terrible stomach ache and drink a lot 169 00:08:55,436 --> 00:08:58,676 Speaker 1: of pepto bismol after that. But then we said, well, 170 00:08:58,716 --> 00:09:01,036 Speaker 1: what do you do? I mean, don't we need witnesses 171 00:09:01,156 --> 00:09:05,116 Speaker 1: or something? And as we're talking about witnesses, an elderly 172 00:09:05,156 --> 00:09:09,556 Speaker 1: woman in a motorized cart comes up and looks at 173 00:09:09,556 --> 00:09:13,476 Speaker 1: me and goes The Princess Pride was a delight from 174 00:09:13,516 --> 00:09:16,636 Speaker 1: start to finish. I said, you want to witness a wedding? 175 00:09:17,196 --> 00:09:19,756 Speaker 1: And she was there having a vacation with a friend 176 00:09:19,756 --> 00:09:22,516 Speaker 1: of hers from Liverpool, another old lady, and they stood 177 00:09:22,596 --> 00:09:25,756 Speaker 1: up for us on the beat, these two women. She 178 00:09:25,876 --> 00:09:30,996 Speaker 1: was a retired professor from Stanford. After you did that, 179 00:09:31,436 --> 00:09:35,556 Speaker 1: was there anything underneath that you still felt? I'm not 180 00:09:35,716 --> 00:09:38,436 Speaker 1: quite sure about. No. It's not to say they weren't 181 00:09:38,516 --> 00:09:41,476 Speaker 1: problems at the beginning, you know, you know, family stuff 182 00:09:41,476 --> 00:09:43,516 Speaker 1: and whatever that we had to go through. What didn't 183 00:09:43,556 --> 00:09:49,636 Speaker 1: work with the families, Well, she wasn't fully accepted. I mean, 184 00:09:49,756 --> 00:09:53,036 Speaker 1: I mean they family, yes, by my family, And why 185 00:09:53,156 --> 00:09:57,036 Speaker 1: was that you know, jealous? I don't know what it is. 186 00:09:57,116 --> 00:09:59,356 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and I tried for like twenty 187 00:09:59,436 --> 00:10:01,596 Speaker 1: years to make it work. And it just did. My 188 00:10:01,716 --> 00:10:04,876 Speaker 1: father was never like that. Well, the Phil's mother was 189 00:10:05,316 --> 00:10:09,876 Speaker 1: a very nasty woman, and she was nasty to you. 190 00:10:10,156 --> 00:10:13,636 Speaker 1: She was nasty like around me. You know, she wouldn't 191 00:10:13,676 --> 00:10:15,876 Speaker 1: be mean to me. Would she'd say that she hated 192 00:10:15,956 --> 00:10:20,676 Speaker 1: my house? You know? Well, of course what I say 193 00:10:20,716 --> 00:10:23,676 Speaker 1: to Phil, I don't care, honest to God. And he 194 00:10:23,796 --> 00:10:25,756 Speaker 1: was sensitive enough to say, you know, did that hurt 195 00:10:25,756 --> 00:10:28,436 Speaker 1: your feelings? And I'd say it, really, it really didn't, 196 00:10:28,796 --> 00:10:31,716 Speaker 1: because I thought she was so mean to him, so critical. 197 00:10:31,956 --> 00:10:35,236 Speaker 1: Did that bother you that she would do that? Did 198 00:10:35,276 --> 00:10:37,596 Speaker 1: you feel, let me put it this way, did you 199 00:10:37,756 --> 00:10:42,276 Speaker 1: feel caught in the middle between your mother and Marlowe? No? 200 00:10:42,596 --> 00:10:47,236 Speaker 1: I was hurt a lot by my mother. Nothing I anybody, 201 00:10:47,596 --> 00:10:53,276 Speaker 1: especially her children. Nothing we said was ever validated, you know. 202 00:10:53,556 --> 00:10:57,476 Speaker 1: I mean you could say I'm I'm tired and my 203 00:10:57,516 --> 00:11:00,556 Speaker 1: mother would say we're all tired. That's like normally. Or 204 00:11:00,596 --> 00:11:03,156 Speaker 1: when he first got when they had the first induction 205 00:11:03,236 --> 00:11:05,596 Speaker 1: into the Television Hall of Fame and it was Walter 206 00:11:05,676 --> 00:11:08,556 Speaker 1: Cronkite and Lucille Ball and he was in that group 207 00:11:08,636 --> 00:11:10,956 Speaker 1: and he told his mother, you know, I'm getting this 208 00:11:11,036 --> 00:11:13,756 Speaker 1: induction into the Hall of Famous mothers as well, if 209 00:11:13,796 --> 00:11:17,036 Speaker 1: that's what they want to do. You know, it's like, 210 00:11:17,316 --> 00:11:20,716 Speaker 1: you know, there's never any kind of acknowledgment. I would say, though, 211 00:11:20,956 --> 00:11:23,236 Speaker 1: because the reason I asked that question because for years 212 00:11:23,276 --> 00:11:27,716 Speaker 1: I try to broker rock roche momp between you know, 213 00:11:27,836 --> 00:11:31,716 Speaker 1: my original family and now Michelle and all that, and 214 00:11:31,916 --> 00:11:34,516 Speaker 1: I just could never do it. I could never do it. 215 00:11:37,796 --> 00:11:52,876 Speaker 1: We'll have more after a quick break. We're back to 216 00:11:52,956 --> 00:11:57,036 Speaker 1: our conversation with Rob and Michelle Reiner. They've been together 217 00:11:57,156 --> 00:12:00,516 Speaker 1: for more than three decades, which is no small feat 218 00:12:00,596 --> 00:12:03,396 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, so we wanted to know some of their 219 00:12:03,476 --> 00:12:07,196 Speaker 1: biggest challenges as a couple. I would say it's, you know, 220 00:12:07,716 --> 00:12:10,916 Speaker 1: certain issues with the kids. I mean that, you know, 221 00:12:11,156 --> 00:12:13,076 Speaker 1: we have different ways of going about it. I mean 222 00:12:13,116 --> 00:12:15,156 Speaker 1: we try, we're on the same page a lot of times, 223 00:12:15,156 --> 00:12:18,116 Speaker 1: but a lot of times we have different approaches, and 224 00:12:18,676 --> 00:12:22,556 Speaker 1: that can be a source of you know, discipline, approaches, 225 00:12:22,796 --> 00:12:26,196 Speaker 1: discipline and yeah, those kind of things. I give you 226 00:12:26,236 --> 00:12:29,236 Speaker 1: the perfect example. I'm like the grandfather. When the boys 227 00:12:29,236 --> 00:12:31,236 Speaker 1: were a little they were like I don't know, four 228 00:12:31,236 --> 00:12:33,876 Speaker 1: and six before our daughter was born. I said, we 229 00:12:33,956 --> 00:12:35,756 Speaker 1: really need to make, you know, teach them how to 230 00:12:35,756 --> 00:12:38,396 Speaker 1: make a bed and are all of a sudden, Jake goes, 231 00:12:38,756 --> 00:12:41,036 Speaker 1: but Daddy, you don't make your bed, and Rob went. 232 00:12:41,396 --> 00:12:45,076 Speaker 1: You know, He's right, all right, that's it. That was 233 00:12:45,196 --> 00:12:49,436 Speaker 1: that's the discipline history of this household, right, And even 234 00:12:49,436 --> 00:12:52,156 Speaker 1: the kids complain that there's there aren't enough boundarieson that 235 00:12:52,196 --> 00:12:54,516 Speaker 1: they weren't disciplined enough. And that's something that I got 236 00:12:54,556 --> 00:12:57,476 Speaker 1: from my parents. My parents didn't discipline me either. But 237 00:12:57,596 --> 00:12:59,636 Speaker 1: maybe you know, I didn't act out or whatever. I mean, 238 00:12:59,756 --> 00:13:01,996 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but I never got disciplined, 239 00:13:02,356 --> 00:13:06,116 Speaker 1: really no, And so you just don't understand how why 240 00:13:06,636 --> 00:13:09,676 Speaker 1: light needed. No. You got your kids, You love your kids, 241 00:13:09,676 --> 00:13:12,876 Speaker 1: and you know hopefully they do the right thing. Are 242 00:13:12,916 --> 00:13:17,116 Speaker 1: you are your boy slabs? No? No, they're not. Really. 243 00:13:17,756 --> 00:13:20,756 Speaker 1: My husband is a slab. You know. It's amazing still 244 00:13:20,876 --> 00:13:25,116 Speaker 1: to this day, Oh yeah, to this day, the towel 245 00:13:25,156 --> 00:13:28,396 Speaker 1: doesn't get picked up off the floor. I'm better at that. 246 00:13:29,716 --> 00:13:32,316 Speaker 1: I mean I was, I'm pretty neat. But she said, 247 00:13:32,676 --> 00:13:35,716 Speaker 1: she said to me, put the towel back, fold it back, 248 00:13:35,756 --> 00:13:38,436 Speaker 1: and put it on the thing. So I do that, right, 249 00:13:38,756 --> 00:13:41,276 Speaker 1: I mean, the little things. Well, his parents would come 250 00:13:41,316 --> 00:13:43,756 Speaker 1: into the house, never say hello, never say goodbye. I 251 00:13:43,756 --> 00:13:45,316 Speaker 1: had to teach him how to say hello, how to 252 00:13:45,316 --> 00:13:47,356 Speaker 1: go and goodbye. I had to teach him how to tip. 253 00:13:47,916 --> 00:13:50,436 Speaker 1: I mean, all right, tip a lot, but how you do? 254 00:13:50,596 --> 00:13:54,116 Speaker 1: Sometimes I forget. I mean, you know, she basically helped 255 00:13:54,196 --> 00:13:57,036 Speaker 1: raise me. That's such a nice thing to say she did. 256 00:13:57,316 --> 00:14:01,716 Speaker 1: She did. So. So how do you fight? When you fight? How? 257 00:14:01,876 --> 00:14:05,996 Speaker 1: How very loud? Loud? Very loud? Yeah, too loud. Jews 258 00:14:06,916 --> 00:14:11,596 Speaker 1: that can go because a big it is a big 259 00:14:11,636 --> 00:14:14,836 Speaker 1: important thing. When people say, well, we never fight, I go, oh, well, 260 00:14:14,836 --> 00:14:18,356 Speaker 1: then you're probably so repressed, yeah, and probably not have 261 00:14:18,436 --> 00:14:21,276 Speaker 1: a good marriage, right because you do fight. I mean 262 00:14:21,356 --> 00:14:24,916 Speaker 1: that's what happens. We don't fight a lot, but we do. 263 00:14:25,356 --> 00:14:28,956 Speaker 1: So when you fight, you both screaming yeah, yeah, there's 264 00:14:28,956 --> 00:14:32,356 Speaker 1: a there's a quick escalation. You know, it goes from 265 00:14:32,436 --> 00:14:38,556 Speaker 1: zero sixty year very quick. And who makes up? I 266 00:14:38,596 --> 00:14:42,316 Speaker 1: think it's it's probably even I would think, don't you think. 267 00:14:43,556 --> 00:14:46,276 Speaker 1: But we get through it. Usually I walk out of 268 00:14:46,316 --> 00:14:48,076 Speaker 1: the room. I'll walk out of the room. That's the 269 00:14:48,156 --> 00:14:51,236 Speaker 1: big complaint. So that's how I go cool off. And 270 00:14:51,276 --> 00:14:54,276 Speaker 1: then I come back in and you're saying, there's no 271 00:14:54,356 --> 00:14:59,156 Speaker 1: way you could like if if I'm set off, there's 272 00:14:59,196 --> 00:15:01,756 Speaker 1: no way to know. Once I'm set off, that's it. 273 00:15:01,836 --> 00:15:05,636 Speaker 1: I mean, then I feel horrible afterwards. And then what 274 00:15:05,756 --> 00:15:09,276 Speaker 1: happens to me is I feel like I don't want 275 00:15:09,116 --> 00:15:12,196 Speaker 1: want to not be with this person. I can't. That's 276 00:15:12,196 --> 00:15:17,436 Speaker 1: a horrible thought, you know. So sometimes I have crossed 277 00:15:17,436 --> 00:15:21,236 Speaker 1: the line. It's a horrible thing because you can't unring 278 00:15:21,356 --> 00:15:23,476 Speaker 1: the bell, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. 279 00:15:23,476 --> 00:15:25,716 Speaker 1: All you can do is say how much you love 280 00:15:25,756 --> 00:15:29,636 Speaker 1: somebody and be sorry that that you did what you did. 281 00:15:29,676 --> 00:15:32,876 Speaker 1: And that's another misnomer. Love is never having to say 282 00:15:32,876 --> 00:15:37,676 Speaker 1: you're sorry. Bullshit is always having to say you're sorry 283 00:15:37,756 --> 00:15:41,116 Speaker 1: if you are right when you say you crossed the line. 284 00:15:41,156 --> 00:15:46,116 Speaker 1: Do you ever throw out the divorce word? Um? No, 285 00:15:46,316 --> 00:15:49,356 Speaker 1: I mean she will say, what do you want a divorce? 286 00:15:49,756 --> 00:15:52,956 Speaker 1: She'll say that, right, you know, to stop you from 287 00:15:52,956 --> 00:15:56,476 Speaker 1: being crazy? Yeah? Yeah, And then I'll go, I'm not 288 00:15:56,516 --> 00:16:03,076 Speaker 1: saying that right now, but that's good. Yeah. Yeah, that's emotion, 289 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:07,036 Speaker 1: that's fashion, that's that's that's alive. We wake up at 290 00:16:07,036 --> 00:16:09,876 Speaker 1: three in the morning and start yelling about but assassin. Yeah, 291 00:16:09,916 --> 00:16:13,716 Speaker 1: we're both obsessed with the Kennedy assassination for over fifty 292 00:16:13,796 --> 00:16:18,796 Speaker 1: years now. Yes, it was, no, no, it was. I mean, 293 00:16:18,836 --> 00:16:20,596 Speaker 1: we've done a lot of reasons. We actually had a 294 00:16:20,676 --> 00:16:23,076 Speaker 1: project that we're trying to you know, put together, you know, 295 00:16:23,436 --> 00:16:25,236 Speaker 1: but we'll get up at three o'clock and the more no, 296 00:16:25,316 --> 00:16:28,516 Speaker 1: wait a minute, the entrance fool, wasn't you know, the 297 00:16:28,596 --> 00:16:31,276 Speaker 1: grassy and we're we're into it, you know, at three 298 00:16:31,276 --> 00:16:33,316 Speaker 1: in the morning, go to sleep. Well you have no no, 299 00:16:33,356 --> 00:16:36,196 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I'm thinking about that. Couldn't that shot 300 00:16:36,276 --> 00:16:41,116 Speaker 1: couldn't have come from the book depositors. Yeah, yeah, we 301 00:16:41,196 --> 00:16:44,516 Speaker 1: have a lot of that. And it's interesting because you know, 302 00:16:44,596 --> 00:16:49,276 Speaker 1: we've worked on political things together. We have very similar 303 00:16:49,396 --> 00:16:53,196 Speaker 1: exactly the same political take on things. And she's more 304 00:16:53,236 --> 00:16:57,756 Speaker 1: the driving force than me. I mean, she is, she's what, 305 00:16:58,236 --> 00:17:03,836 Speaker 1: she's an irate citizen. Basically, there's just too much injustice 306 00:17:03,836 --> 00:17:06,916 Speaker 1: in the world and she wants to fix it all. 307 00:17:07,516 --> 00:17:09,796 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm you know, we work together. We 308 00:17:09,876 --> 00:17:12,116 Speaker 1: try to find the things we can actually work on. 309 00:17:12,236 --> 00:17:16,556 Speaker 1: But but that's where we've always worked very closely together. 310 00:17:16,556 --> 00:17:18,796 Speaker 1: Where there was marriage equality, which we saw, you know, 311 00:17:18,836 --> 00:17:23,996 Speaker 1: we start start the first yeah, the first yeah, the 312 00:17:24,076 --> 00:17:27,916 Speaker 1: first federal lawsuit on that, or on early childhood where 313 00:17:27,956 --> 00:17:31,316 Speaker 1: we passed some legislation here in California to start investment 314 00:17:31,356 --> 00:17:35,556 Speaker 1: in early childhood. We stopped a city from being built 315 00:17:35,556 --> 00:17:38,196 Speaker 1: in the Santa Monica Mountains. You know, we've done a 316 00:17:38,236 --> 00:17:41,716 Speaker 1: lot of different things, so that's the thing that we 317 00:17:41,716 --> 00:17:45,556 Speaker 1: always we worked well together. I'm impressed with how self 318 00:17:45,596 --> 00:17:49,356 Speaker 1: aware you both are. A lot of therapy, lots and 319 00:17:49,516 --> 00:17:54,796 Speaker 1: lots of therapy. Really, that's oh yeah, together, We've done 320 00:17:54,876 --> 00:17:59,636 Speaker 1: some together. But mostly what I think is that you 321 00:17:59,916 --> 00:18:03,996 Speaker 1: each person has their problems and their issues, their neurosis 322 00:18:04,076 --> 00:18:07,516 Speaker 1: that they bring to the marriage, and the only way 323 00:18:07,516 --> 00:18:12,036 Speaker 1: you can improve things is to identify your own you know, 324 00:18:12,156 --> 00:18:14,916 Speaker 1: work your side of the street. But then ultimately it's 325 00:18:14,996 --> 00:18:17,876 Speaker 1: up to each of us to work on that so 326 00:18:17,916 --> 00:18:22,356 Speaker 1: that we don't bother each other as much about you know, 327 00:18:22,516 --> 00:18:25,396 Speaker 1: it's not going to be no bother, but it'll be hopefully, 328 00:18:25,956 --> 00:18:28,276 Speaker 1: you know, tempered a little bit. This is a weird thing. 329 00:18:28,316 --> 00:18:29,836 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but it's like, there 330 00:18:29,876 --> 00:18:31,836 Speaker 1: are a lot of things that bother me about him, 331 00:18:31,916 --> 00:18:34,076 Speaker 1: and I'm sure if vice versa right, but somehow we 332 00:18:34,156 --> 00:18:36,636 Speaker 1: put up with each other. If it was just a girlfriend. 333 00:18:36,636 --> 00:18:39,316 Speaker 1: I go, I can't take this anymore, and not for this. 334 00:18:39,556 --> 00:18:41,876 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what that is. I don't 335 00:18:41,876 --> 00:18:45,316 Speaker 1: know what makes that work. But well, because I think 336 00:18:45,316 --> 00:18:48,756 Speaker 1: there's more things that you love about a person than 337 00:18:49,356 --> 00:18:52,076 Speaker 1: bothers you about a person. It's funny because I was 338 00:18:52,116 --> 00:18:54,236 Speaker 1: on the phone with my friend the other day and 339 00:18:54,636 --> 00:18:56,956 Speaker 1: we were in the city and we were talking about 340 00:18:56,956 --> 00:19:00,196 Speaker 1: the fact that her boyfriend and Rob it just it 341 00:19:00,196 --> 00:19:02,956 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what it is. You'll say, I just told 342 00:19:02,996 --> 00:19:05,836 Speaker 1: you that two minutes ago. We were just there five 343 00:19:05,916 --> 00:19:08,236 Speaker 1: minutes ago. What is it? And it's like the same 344 00:19:08,276 --> 00:19:11,916 Speaker 1: thing there there. My sister, first to its domestic, add 345 00:19:12,476 --> 00:19:14,676 Speaker 1: that it's like, you know, they can't remember the writer, 346 00:19:14,796 --> 00:19:17,476 Speaker 1: the producer, the thing, where when who wrote it up? 347 00:19:17,716 --> 00:19:20,796 Speaker 1: And anything like it's like, honey, we're the diapers, you know, 348 00:19:20,796 --> 00:19:22,916 Speaker 1: after the third kid. It's just you know what I mean, 349 00:19:23,276 --> 00:19:25,556 Speaker 1: It's constant like that. And she said, look, you just 350 00:19:25,596 --> 00:19:28,196 Speaker 1: have to let it go. And you know, don't just 351 00:19:28,316 --> 00:19:30,036 Speaker 1: know that that's what it's like. And I had just 352 00:19:30,156 --> 00:19:32,796 Speaker 1: texted him. I was coming from the Lorrie side. I said, 353 00:19:32,836 --> 00:19:34,356 Speaker 1: can you go ahead and get some coffee. I'll be 354 00:19:34,396 --> 00:19:36,036 Speaker 1: there in a couple of minutes and I walk into 355 00:19:36,036 --> 00:19:37,876 Speaker 1: the apartment. I go, did you get the coffee? And 356 00:19:37,916 --> 00:19:40,076 Speaker 1: goes no, I thought we were going together. It's just 357 00:19:40,196 --> 00:19:44,236 Speaker 1: it's not even it's just not paying attention. I guess 358 00:19:44,276 --> 00:19:46,916 Speaker 1: you just can't get mad about it anymore. Again, I 359 00:19:46,996 --> 00:19:51,436 Speaker 1: don't know how long have you been married? Thirty? Yeah? Yeah, 360 00:19:51,436 --> 00:19:54,396 Speaker 1: that's a lot. Yeah, that's really a lot. This happens 361 00:19:54,396 --> 00:20:00,116 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Yeah, right. I hate to be 362 00:20:00,196 --> 00:20:04,836 Speaker 1: the person has to edit this. It's fun, it's really fun. 363 00:20:05,956 --> 00:20:09,516 Speaker 1: We've enjoyed it. It's we're learning a lot. Every time 364 00:20:09,516 --> 00:20:11,956 Speaker 1: we walk away from a couple weeks say we should 365 00:20:11,956 --> 00:20:14,036 Speaker 1: do that, that's a really good thing, or let's never 366 00:20:14,116 --> 00:20:18,596 Speaker 1: do like, why did you learn tell me something? Well, 367 00:20:18,636 --> 00:20:24,116 Speaker 1: I had to work on something, which is I am 368 00:20:23,076 --> 00:20:28,956 Speaker 1: a fixer. I want to make everything better, right, even 369 00:20:28,956 --> 00:20:31,556 Speaker 1: if you don't want me to write, So Phil will 370 00:20:31,596 --> 00:20:33,996 Speaker 1: tell me something. We took this took years, I mean 371 00:20:33,996 --> 00:20:37,036 Speaker 1: maybe fifteen of our forty years for him to say 372 00:20:37,036 --> 00:20:39,356 Speaker 1: to me, I'm going to tell you something now. And 373 00:20:39,396 --> 00:20:42,236 Speaker 1: I don't want you to say anything, and I don't 374 00:20:42,276 --> 00:20:45,276 Speaker 1: want you to reach for the phone. Just listen to me. 375 00:20:45,676 --> 00:20:49,196 Speaker 1: I need to tell you this. He just wants you 376 00:20:49,236 --> 00:20:52,636 Speaker 1: to hear what want says. He wants you to hear that, 377 00:20:52,956 --> 00:20:56,196 Speaker 1: and he doesn't ask you anything except to just listen 378 00:20:56,236 --> 00:20:58,556 Speaker 1: to what I am. I don't want any advice, and 379 00:20:58,636 --> 00:21:01,236 Speaker 1: I don't want you to call anybody. I don't want 380 00:21:01,236 --> 00:21:03,596 Speaker 1: you to do anything. I just want to unload this. 381 00:21:04,156 --> 00:21:07,756 Speaker 1: And that was that's extremely hard for me. I mean, 382 00:21:07,836 --> 00:21:11,676 Speaker 1: you know, your impulse is to make things better for him, right, 383 00:21:12,156 --> 00:21:14,636 Speaker 1: And what you have to get to the point is 384 00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:19,796 Speaker 1: that doing that doesn't necessarily make it better for you. 385 00:21:20,316 --> 00:21:22,036 Speaker 1: That what will make it better for him is for 386 00:21:22,076 --> 00:21:24,476 Speaker 1: you not to do exactly. And that's a that's a 387 00:21:24,676 --> 00:21:28,476 Speaker 1: that's counterintuitive in a way, in a way, that's accommodation. 388 00:21:28,676 --> 00:21:30,916 Speaker 1: I think we accommodate all all the time because I 389 00:21:30,996 --> 00:21:32,716 Speaker 1: know that he's very different than me in a lot 390 00:21:32,716 --> 00:21:37,036 Speaker 1: of ways, you know, And I think he can sit 391 00:21:37,076 --> 00:21:38,956 Speaker 1: on the couch all day and not move and I 392 00:21:38,996 --> 00:21:41,196 Speaker 1: have to move constantly and keep doing things and be 393 00:21:41,276 --> 00:21:43,316 Speaker 1: busy all the time. And that's what I like to do. 394 00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:47,716 Speaker 1: And we're like, well like that. Yeah, Milo walks into 395 00:21:47,796 --> 00:21:53,596 Speaker 1: my office, she starts fixing, I mean, putting this year 396 00:21:53,676 --> 00:21:57,076 Speaker 1: and putting this away and talking all the time about 397 00:21:57,116 --> 00:22:01,876 Speaker 1: something else. I mean, she really is a control freak 398 00:22:01,956 --> 00:22:05,716 Speaker 1: in that way. And I'm the I guess nanty irishman. 399 00:22:05,796 --> 00:22:08,596 Speaker 1: You know, I put something down, it's there for four 400 00:22:08,636 --> 00:22:14,676 Speaker 1: and a half, you know where it is there. I 401 00:22:14,796 --> 00:22:18,556 Speaker 1: know she likes to keep moving and keep doing. And 402 00:22:18,716 --> 00:22:20,796 Speaker 1: I live a lot in my head. I do live 403 00:22:20,836 --> 00:22:23,156 Speaker 1: a lot in my head and thinking about stuff. And 404 00:22:23,196 --> 00:22:28,036 Speaker 1: I can be comfortable sitting and just thinking about stuff 405 00:22:28,036 --> 00:22:30,156 Speaker 1: and that will come out in the work or you know, 406 00:22:30,316 --> 00:22:33,476 Speaker 1: there's a divot in the couch where he sits. Yeah, seriously, 407 00:22:33,956 --> 00:22:39,316 Speaker 1: that's amaze. But she's great because she sometimes you know, 408 00:22:39,556 --> 00:22:41,996 Speaker 1: like we go SOMETI she'll push me to go out 409 00:22:42,076 --> 00:22:44,596 Speaker 1: or whatever, and I'm always happy that I did. I 410 00:22:44,636 --> 00:22:46,996 Speaker 1: think part of it we let each other be, you 411 00:22:47,036 --> 00:22:49,036 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, I think that has 412 00:22:49,036 --> 00:22:50,796 Speaker 1: a lot to do with it. So well, he's lumping 413 00:22:50,796 --> 00:22:53,316 Speaker 1: out on the couch, I'm running around, and he doesn't 414 00:22:53,316 --> 00:22:56,236 Speaker 1: never say come in here and sit with me. Where 415 00:22:56,236 --> 00:22:58,276 Speaker 1: you're going? What are you doing? He just lets me be. 416 00:22:58,636 --> 00:23:00,956 Speaker 1: Then I let him be, and we just there's sort 417 00:23:00,996 --> 00:23:04,116 Speaker 1: of a synchronicity, even though we're on opposite ends. Of things. 418 00:23:04,196 --> 00:23:08,556 Speaker 1: So right, that's a very comforting Yeah, I think I 419 00:23:08,636 --> 00:23:11,236 Speaker 1: think what you said it is a big deal. It's 420 00:23:11,316 --> 00:23:16,996 Speaker 1: it's you get a lot of You get a lot 421 00:23:17,036 --> 00:23:19,916 Speaker 1: of strength from the fact that somebody lets you be 422 00:23:20,076 --> 00:23:22,396 Speaker 1: who you are, right, I mean, that's part of it too. 423 00:23:22,436 --> 00:23:25,556 Speaker 1: You have to accept you accept the person. If you 424 00:23:25,636 --> 00:23:28,196 Speaker 1: love them, you're not You're not going to be them. 425 00:23:28,476 --> 00:23:31,476 Speaker 1: They're not you. You have to accept them, and if 426 00:23:31,516 --> 00:23:35,036 Speaker 1: you can, that makes another person feel better, right, just 427 00:23:35,116 --> 00:23:37,436 Speaker 1: the fact that you accept them to be whatever they're 428 00:23:37,716 --> 00:23:41,316 Speaker 1: they're doing. Right. Yeah. There's also a certain kind of 429 00:23:41,396 --> 00:23:45,916 Speaker 1: ethic values that he comes with, you know, being raised Jewish, 430 00:23:45,956 --> 00:23:49,596 Speaker 1: I mean not religious, but the Jewish ethics of things, 431 00:23:49,676 --> 00:23:52,636 Speaker 1: you know, and also you know, the study of the 432 00:23:52,716 --> 00:23:56,276 Speaker 1: questioning of things that talmudic you know, reasoning and logic 433 00:23:56,356 --> 00:23:58,716 Speaker 1: and all that. What do you think you get from 434 00:23:58,796 --> 00:24:04,516 Speaker 1: Rob that you don't get anywhere else. He's the nicest 435 00:24:04,516 --> 00:24:08,676 Speaker 1: person ever that my life. He's the smartest and very 436 00:24:08,676 --> 00:24:13,036 Speaker 1: talent you know. I can tell you from my standpoint, 437 00:24:14,476 --> 00:24:17,796 Speaker 1: I get strength as neurotic as we both are, and 438 00:24:18,196 --> 00:24:22,676 Speaker 1: we can be. I never worry that she will be 439 00:24:22,996 --> 00:24:26,196 Speaker 1: She'll be okay, I mean she may get upset, she 440 00:24:26,236 --> 00:24:28,956 Speaker 1: may get hysterical, she may get really upset about something, 441 00:24:29,156 --> 00:24:32,116 Speaker 1: But underneath, I know she'll be okay. She's going to 442 00:24:32,156 --> 00:24:39,116 Speaker 1: be okay, and that gives me strength. That's Robin Michelle Reiner, 443 00:24:39,316 --> 00:24:43,116 Speaker 1: and that's a solid marriage. They have their differences of styles, 444 00:24:43,436 --> 00:24:46,196 Speaker 1: but there's no question they are on the same team. 445 00:24:46,236 --> 00:24:48,876 Speaker 1: And what a fun time we had. Next time I'm 446 00:24:48,876 --> 00:24:50,876 Speaker 1: awake at three am, I think I'll give them a 447 00:24:50,916 --> 00:24:54,516 Speaker 1: call until next time. I'm filled on to you and 448 00:24:54,596 --> 00:24:57,356 Speaker 1: I'm Marlowe Thomas. If there was a young couple here, 449 00:24:57,876 --> 00:25:00,476 Speaker 1: I was about to be married, What have you learned 450 00:25:00,476 --> 00:25:03,036 Speaker 1: that you'd like to pass on? Find a best friend 451 00:25:03,036 --> 00:25:07,396 Speaker 1: that you can have sex with. That's a good idea, 452 00:25:08,116 --> 00:25:13,956 Speaker 1: and what about you? Father? Double Day as a production 453 00:25:14,036 --> 00:25:17,796 Speaker 1: of Pushkin Industries. The show was created by US and 454 00:25:17,916 --> 00:25:23,156 Speaker 1: produced by Sarah Lilly. Michael Bahari is associate producer. Musical 455 00:25:23,196 --> 00:25:27,316 Speaker 1: adaptations of It Had to Be You by Stellwagen, Simfinette, 456 00:25:27,836 --> 00:25:32,156 Speaker 1: Marlo and I are executive producers, along with Mia Lobell 457 00:25:32,396 --> 00:25:37,956 Speaker 1: and Letal Molad from Pushkin. 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