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Speaker 1: Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. It's Cannabis

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Speaker 1: Talk one oh one with Blue and Joe Grande. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Boys and girls. We have a very very

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Speaker 1: special guest stepping up to the plate. He has uh

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Speaker 1: I've been conducting some serious battles out there, and he

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Speaker 1: will be moderated by the incredible Chancellor of osterdam Dale

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Speaker 1: Sky Jones. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up to the

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Speaker 1: CEO of Catalyst Cannabis Company and the Chancellor of Oaksterdam University,

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Speaker 1: Elliott Lewis. Alright, So, Elliott, I understand that you have

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Speaker 1: been doing this for a while. So I imagine that

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Speaker 1: you have an elevator speech that you share when you

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Speaker 1: walk up to have a conversation and with an elected official.

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Speaker 1: So I'd like for you to give this fine crowd

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Speaker 1: an example of how you introduce yourself, your brand and

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Speaker 1: your choice of business when you're meeting and elected. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on the terms that we're meeting

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Speaker 1: him in. I would say, you know, my first rule

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Speaker 1: of politics is you either want real friends or you

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Speaker 1: want people to fear you. Lukewarm friends and politics has

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Speaker 1: done nothing but give me in trouble, right, because they're

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Speaker 1: gonna stab you in the bag. So if you're my friend,

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Speaker 1: i'm your friend. I'll do whatever you want for your

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Speaker 1: district or whatever else. If you're gonna stab me in

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Speaker 1: the back, I don't trust you. I'd rather just go

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Speaker 1: all fear to me. That's a good way to do

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Speaker 1: the relationship. As far as like we're gonna open up

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Speaker 1: a new city, I like to bring him to the facilities,

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Speaker 1: show mo're gonna do, tell them about our community outreach,

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Speaker 1: you know. And sometimes people like to look at my

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Speaker 1: online person persona and they get a little worried at

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Speaker 1: first the political figures. But once they see what we're doing,

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Speaker 1: that we have good paying jobs, the catalyst cares things

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Speaker 1: we do as real ship um, and then we're redeveloping.

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Speaker 1: Here is we're using cannabis as an economic engine, whether

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Speaker 1: it be downtown and Long Beach. We're kicking off some

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Speaker 1: new stuff and uh pomona and creating culture. So I

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Speaker 1: think once they come, they go through the stores, they

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Speaker 1: get to know us, see that we know what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about on policy, they get a lot more comfortable.

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Speaker 1: That's a damn good answer. Yeah, what I can't hear you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a good answer. Hell yeah, So I want

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Speaker 1: to know what bad guy looks like. Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: I'll say anything or or. But like the free speech

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Speaker 1: part of it is easy. The hard part is the

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Speaker 1: political action. Right. So you know, we went to a

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Speaker 1: meeting in Redondo Beach. My attorney was present, and they

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Speaker 1: fucking disrespected him. We called it the red Wedding. So

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Speaker 1: did the opposition research. Turns out he's a cannabis an

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Speaker 1: attorney and he likes to steal from his clients. Allegedly.

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Speaker 1: The case is still pending. Uh, anyway, we recall them.

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Speaker 1: So now everybody knows he's up for a recall that

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Speaker 1: we will make that move. The cities that aren't passing cannabis,

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Speaker 1: we go out, we the signatures, We put them on

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Speaker 1: a ballot. Their constituency wants it. They don't want to

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Speaker 1: pass the law because they're unevolved baby bloomers, uh, hanging

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Speaker 1: out at swinky fucking cocktail parties and they they're toned

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Speaker 1: off to what's going on. So now they know if

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Speaker 1: we circulate an initiative, they best negotiate so they could

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Speaker 1: keep their local control. So I think it's the action

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Speaker 1: that that speaks. And if I'm in a tax reduction

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Speaker 1: uh discussion and I say to somebody, I'm gonna recall

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Speaker 1: every last motherfucker in your caucus until you're in a

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Speaker 1: minority that carries weight because we actually have done it

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Speaker 1: and continue to do it. That is it. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: change hearts and minds. You're bringing them in, you're showing

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Speaker 1: why do grassroots movements always win? The majority of the

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Speaker 1: But those are the good guys. So at some point,

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Speaker 1: and cannabis is really just a symptom. Right, this is

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Speaker 1: This is who we fight for. But it's just really

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Speaker 1: So we don't have enough power at the state to

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Speaker 1: really effectuate major change. But locally, in small elections, I'll

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Speaker 1: and we'll do the work. All politics is local, isn't hit,

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Speaker 1: my friend? Very true? And you do have to show up,

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Speaker 1: and you do have to play nice and mean business

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Speaker 1: because if they don't fear you, they know, especially this

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Speaker 1: they know that you come in, you line their pockets,

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Speaker 1: and there's twelve more right behind that's going to disagree

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Speaker 1: them to do. So this just world is just people

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Speaker 1: getting richer and you working harder. So I want to

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Speaker 1: switch gears real quick. Because I met your lovely, beautiful,

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Speaker 1: amazing wife. Yes, give her a shout out right there?

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Speaker 1: And cannak Cana my heart. And it does take that

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Speaker 1: And and like I will say this, there's like this

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Speaker 1: There's just no other way. You just need to exert

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Speaker 1: I hate it. But from that you keep going and

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Speaker 1: mentality that I try to pass down from catalysts on

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Speaker 1: We might be out funded, you know, we might be outgunned,

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Speaker 1: and keep advancing. To steal a line from Rocky five.

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, I do think this industry has come down

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Speaker 1: the other and show up. Thank you. Give it up

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Speaker 1: to Elliott. Thank you everyone, amazing conversation, my friend, thank you,

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Speaker 1: pretty thank you. And one more for amazing partners whoever,

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Speaker 1: to follow trends. Were and to drive those trends, and

425
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: you have to look at what everybody is doing and

426
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: then you have to push back against that. So you know,

427
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: you hear the buying trends is only purple gas. You

428
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: only want purple gas. You know, the spice of life

429
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: is variety, and so if everybody is trending towards purple gas,

430
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: you need to stick to your guns and start to

431
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: move in another direction. You know, you can't ignore the trends.

432
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: We know that potency pushes the market. We know purple

433
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: pushes the market. But you want to try to inspire yourself.

434
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: And so you know, four years ago, when the jel

435
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: and Aid was an unknown clone, we saw the purple,

436
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: we saw the gas, and we saw this unique lehmanine

437
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: turpin that was unlike anything else in the market, and

438
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: we curated it up, you know, over the course of

439
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: course of four years, slowly building the market to educate

440
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: people that they don't have to follow the one trend.

441
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: I think that everybody who's in the industry right now

442
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: has definitely to what the trend is and what's the

443
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: hot clone they need to acquire. And I think that

444
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: everyone right now can see that that is not a

445
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: recipe for success and that you want to try to

446
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: develop your own lane. Uh So, yeah, develop your own lane.

447
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: Have courage and and be a fan of what you're producing.

448
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: And if you're a true fan of what you're producing,

449
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: then the business is going to follow because if you

450
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: have integrity and you choose products that you enjoy, then

451
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: you're going to be a person that can inspire and

452
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna have other people following you. I was a

453
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: great answer. That's pretty much exactly what I was. You know,

454
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: you bring me back to the fact that the consumers

455
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: are ultimately the ones that are missing out with like

456
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: these hype trends and like what's trending um, you know,

457
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: purple and Gassie or everybody's pushing towards o G s. Again,

458
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: Ultimately it's the consumers that miss out right like because

459
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: they're not getting the whole taste, the rainbow experience. And

460
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: so I feel like the diverse city like no other,

461
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: no other plant in nature offers so much diversity, and

462
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: you can have all of these incredible flavor profiles and

463
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: you can have this relative chemo diversity. And so I'm curious,

464
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, each of you how you kind of I

465
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: would love to hear from Steve and from uh from Doc,

466
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: how do you guys predict trends? Upcoming or what you

467
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: want to bring in What what kind of trendmaking or

468
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: trend setting are you pushing with your cults of our

469
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: selection and what you're putting into production? A lot of it,

470
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, So we Hendrickson d r G worked together,

471
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, so we're always talking this conversation. I think

472
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: a lot of like what where I've stayed out is

473
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: I've stayed true to my lane. What I wanted to

474
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: do with the genetics I was working with a lot

475
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: of what I've created is for my own enjoyment. Same

476
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: thing with Dan, what he's working with stuff that is

477
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: it's his pushes his buttons. I don't know if there's

478
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: a better group collectively in our neighborhood of the people

479
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: that he sits with that I sit with at the

480
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: same table when we're evaluating genetics, we're talking about centuries

481
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: of experience with this plant. We can't sway it, but

482
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: we've stayed true to what we're doing. And now, like Purple,

483
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: Frosty and Gas, he's starting to go not down, but

484
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: it's picking its own path. And I've had more requests

485
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: than the last year of old school gen x. Man,

486
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: will you bring this back you guys bring that back.

487
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I think we're seeing this divide

488
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: in the road right now? Do I answer that? Right?

489
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. I've actually I wanted to have

490
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: a campaign that was like make weed green again, because

491
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: I feel like we've just had like such a it's

492
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: just been this crazy purple trend for the past couple

493
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: of years. What about you, Steve, do you have some

494
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, how do you make your decisions with what

495
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: you run in your lineup? You know, we have had

496
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: to try to run some colorful things to because of

497
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: market demand, but I've always just tried to stick with

498
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: the things that I really love that's proven theirself over time.

499
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: Were like what these guys are saying, Uh, I think

500
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: chasing trends to carefully is a big mistake. That's how

501
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: you lose your Granddaddy purple, or that's how you lose

502
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: the strains that a lot of people have lost their

503
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: favorite strain because they chose another one that had more demand.

504
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's smart to pick something that everybody

505
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: loves and like he's saying, try to create your brand

506
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: with it, or you know, people will follow along with

507
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: it if it's really good. Tasting and good effect, something

508
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: that everybody likes, then you should just run with it.

509
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: And if it's checking all the boxes, I like that answer.

510
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: I think it's I think going with what you love

511
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: is kind of the consensus I'm hearing here, and I

512
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: feel like that's what set me apart when um, you know,

513
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: I was with EBB and Flow for about seven years

514
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: and we won I think eleven cups in the time

515
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: that I was there, and we really tried to push

516
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: that selling what growing and selling what we believed in

517
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: as the as the genetics, and and the issue that

518
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: we started to come across is that our cut would

519
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: always be slightly different than other people's cuts because we

520
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: would do a lot of selection ourselves. And so when

521
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: you get into that, it kind of gets into the

522
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: issue of of provenance with the genetics. And so we

523
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: all know that you can go into a dispensary, like

524
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: everybody here could walk into a different dispensary and they're

525
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: going to tell you that wedding cake is wedding cake,

526
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: but ultimately you don't know, and nobody actually knows unless

527
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: you have some sort of authentication from the breeder, from

528
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: the nursery, and there really is no tracking of that

529
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: at this point, so it kind of leads me to

530
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: the next question is like, how do you guys feel

531
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: that we can utilize technology? And I'm curious what you

532
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: guys do at the nursery, Like how do you prove

533
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: the provenance that the genetics that you have in your

534
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: lineup are actually what you say they are? Yeah, I mean,

535
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: for initially it was the genetics companies are our first

536
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: years out there. We were a huge promoter of using

537
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: genetics companies to sequence your varieties and help validate what

538
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: it was. And you know, we can say the evil

539
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: you know company's name now because it's they don't. Philos

540
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: did a great job, honestly. They open source a ton

541
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: of genetics. You were able to put the name on

542
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: it that you identified with it, and it helped group

543
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: consensus create validation behind r O G cush, behind our gelato,

544
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: behind our Guerrilla Glue number four and our cb D.

545
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: At the time, it was clear from the seventy two

546
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: other O G cush submissions that R O G Cush

547
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: was O G cush, and we found that maybe s

548
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: f V O G cush or true O G cush

549
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: or Mendocino O G Cush or Skywalker O G Cush

550
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: was actually an identical clone of the what we considered

551
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: true I O. G. Cush. So for me, I still

552
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: believe in genetic testing. We have to find the right

553
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: ethical partners, and I think we need to take that power,

554
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: that power away from the private today organizations and pull

555
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: that towards us as farmers, as producers, as consumers. You know,

556
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: there are a million different validations out there for any

557
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: other kind of agricultural crop, and that's to become a

558
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: cultivar that's driven by the people and by the industry,

559
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: and we don't we can drive that industry and make

560
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: those choices ourselves. So I'm still a huge fan of

561
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: DNA sequencing. UM I just seem to see that we've

562
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: seen the wrong actors so far showcase it. Yeah, I

563
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: know that we've been working for the past couple of

564
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: years to try to UM be able to show providance,

565
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: to be able to show doc raise genetics are exactly

566
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: what they say they are. So like comes with breeder

567
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: authentication when it's coming through to the nursery. And I

568
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: personally believe that blockchain technology and a decentralized platform, paired

569
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: with genetic testing is going to be the keys to

570
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: the gateway that are going to give us the ability

571
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: to actually really, you know, prove what what Doc has

572
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: Doc bread to see there was a selection that went

573
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: to the nursery and um, then you know it could

574
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: go to your farm. So I really love the way

575
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: that we could do this and and that kind of

576
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: leads me to my next question. So, Doc, you're one

577
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: of the only cultivators I know that actually has really

578
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: solid IP protection for the genetics that you've bred. And

579
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's not a perfect science. We're

580
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: still working it out. We're working out the details, and

581
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: I think that personally, I believe that licensing of true

582
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: genetics to people is going to be part of how

583
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: the future of the cannabis industry is shaped through technology,

584
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: through the utilization of you know, quality IP protection. Because so,

585
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: could you speak a little bit about your your genetics

586
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: and their IP protection. Sure? Okay, So I've been doing

587
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: this for a really long time and I got out

588
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: of the game, and when I started looking at entertaining

589
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: the thought I was stupid enough to want to get

590
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: in a legal cannabis seven years ago, I already had

591
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: been Yeah, you know, we'd all been ripped off for

592
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: all the things we'd worked on. There's no way in

593
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: hell it takes two damn long. You know, I've got

594
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: decade sixteen years in my blue skunk, you know. And

595
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: and then anyway, I don wanta get too far off

596
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: the point. My point is is breeders, if we're if

597
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: we do what we do. You know, Dan's got years

598
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: and years and each one that he works with, and

599
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, when we're working with and we have so

600
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: much time involved, I was looking at all of the

601
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: how do I protect myself? Right? That's what got me

602
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: on the path of working with breeders best and Dell

603
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: being my guy and all that kind of jazz. Was

604
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: I didn't see a viable way to protect yourself as

605
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: a breeder other than this, because that's already what Okay,

606
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: this is agriculture, ladies and gentlemen, that's where it's going. Okay,

607
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: that's what people that do heirloom roses do, and do

608
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: you know wine grapes and all these different things, and

609
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: how these niche genetics to them that are attached to

610
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: them that create a premium price point. This is the

611
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: only way I saw to keep the value up on

612
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: what I had worked so hard on. I thought everybody

613
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: was doing what I was doing. Nobody really is That

614
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: was news to me until a year or so agoun

615
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: when when Hunt said down and Sting do. Yeah, man,

616
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: it's just you, you know, and there's other people doing

617
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: it now because the breeders Best Family has expanded more

618
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: and we've added more independent breeders into that, you know.

619
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: I like what we're talking about with using blockchain and data,

620
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: adding all the DNA from using the difference people that

621
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: we're talking to, and all that kind of jazz. But

622
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: I think right now, my path was the only thing

623
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: I knew how to do at the time. It was

624
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: a real difficult labor intensive, got years and freaking writing

625
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: little notes and stuff on every fucking one of them,

626
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: and mountains of data and photographs and all that kind

627
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: of jazz. I believe my way is the only way, really, honestly,

628
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm hoping that blockchain, what we're talking about

629
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: and DNA is the answer because I've seen what big

630
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: agriculture has done to a pound crop system. What the

631
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: hell are they going to do to even three pound crop?

632
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: That's very interesting because I was looking for a comparison

633
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: to the cannabis market in other agricultural crops, and considering

634
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: now that cannabis is it's like the fifth most valuable

635
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: crop in the United States at this point. And that's

636
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: not including like the more illicit market, that's like the

637
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: regulated market. And so we really are coming to a

638
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: place with um, We're coming to a place where we're

639
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: really embracing more traditional agriculture concepts, you know, even the

640
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: concept of the patent plants. They've patented blueberries agent. I mean,

641
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: here's the truth of it. If I don't do this,

642
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna lay claim to my genetics. They're gonna make

643
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: millions and millions of billions of dollars off of it.

644
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: Off the next thirty freak and fifty years, a hundred years.

645
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: Look at all the cultivators and breeders have created all

646
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: the really cool Now, how many is DJ short ever

647
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: gotten paid for blueberry on any magnitude of how it affects,

648
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: all the genetics around the world, ladies and gentlemen, all

649
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: the hybrid genetics, all the cornerstone I wil triangle stuff

650
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: has blueberries. One of the cornerstones. DJ never got you

651
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: know what you bought seeds for. That's at my point.

652
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: You know my mentor you know, the guy that built

653
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: Rastleberry cush has been dead for twelve years. Nobody knews

654
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: that fuck Dave Cooper is you know. That's why we

655
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: need to tell the stories now of where we got

656
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: to with the genetics. I think storytelling and that's part

657
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: of why I like blockchain technology as a potential solution

658
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: because I think that you know, it's a storytelling application essentially,

659
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: and I think that there's a way that we can

660
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: are to pull these things together, like we can protect

661
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: the breeders in our space, we can help the nurseries,

662
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: and we can help the cultivators. You know, one of

663
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: the couple of the biggest issues I see in my

664
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: consulting practice. I have like a list of the most

665
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: commonly asked questions, and one of the most commonly asked

666
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: question is, like, you know, making sure that your genetics

667
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: are coming from a clean source. Also because with that

668
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: like hype cut thing, everybody wants that new cut. We're

669
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: definitely spreading pathogens through the industry. And we were going

670
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: to have Jeff from Jeff Jones from Oaksterdam was going

671
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: to join us today, and I really had some questions

672
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: for him because we do a lot of work with

673
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: Oaksterdam University around making sure that you know, we're sharing

674
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: open source information for the cannabis cultivation community for best practices,

675
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: you know. And then then there's a fine line between

676
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: what's intellectual property, um, you know, that's going to make

677
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: your business successful or your business successful, and then also

678
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: the common wealth of the community and how we can educate.

679
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: And I think that right now is a very important

680
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: time for us to start to educate around pathogens and diseases.

681
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: And if we're bringing in genetics from just unbeknownst non

682
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: third party certified, that's a quick way to bring in

683
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: something like hop Laton viroid into your facility. So I'm curious, Um,

684
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: you know, the other question I get asked a lot

685
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: also is around yield. So you know, if you guys

686
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: want to speak a little bit about best practices for

687
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: your facility, you know, and the things that you feel

688
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: set you apart. So Steve, would you want to talk

689
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: a little bit about, um, you know, how you kind

690
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: of keep pest pathogens and help uh, you know, maybe

691
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: just a little on that. We'll be right back with

692
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk

693
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: one oh one. So, as far as a hop viroid,

694
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: like you're hop Latin viroids certainly going around like crazy

695
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: right now. One of the reason I don't like to

696
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: chase after the hype cuts it seems like you're probably

697
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: gonna get it or it's probably carrying it. And have

698
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: to be extra careful with all our clony practices and everything.

699
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: Lately when it comes to any new plant, it's gotta

700
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: you missed the hype train because you've gotta run one

701
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: or two of them to make sure it does good,

702
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna yield good, doesn't start looking sick halfway through

703
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: and branches falling off if you haven't tested it. And

704
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: uh so that's a big part of it, just trying

705
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: to stay diligent with that. Um and what was the

706
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: other subject? I'm sorry, Um, well, actually I want to

707
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: hear what so, Yeah, I think we'll circle back to that.

708
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: What about you, Daniel, do you have um, you know,

709
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: do you guys do third party certification testing for hot

710
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: laton viyroid with your Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean

711
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: one of the things that I have seen shockingly very

712
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: few times when doing the tours, and I've seen every

713
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: type of facility across the entire state, in every region,

714
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: big and small. You never see the simplest stage, which

715
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: is just quarantine. Okay, you get the new hype cut

716
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: from somewhere and they immediately take it into their nursery

717
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: with all of their other valuable stock and oh, the

718
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: guy got it from tissue culture or you know, they

719
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: take word of mouth. It's it's absolutely the wrong decision.

720
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: You have to isolate and test and it's so simple,

721
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, and cheap. It's like not expensive. That's the

722
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: thing that's like it surprises me where I go to

723
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: facilities to and I'm like, really, like you, it's not

724
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: even expensive. You just don't want to take the time

725
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: to do it. It's the exact same technology that we

726
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: use to COVID test. It's rapid PCR identification. You take

727
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: a little sample and it can tell you in a

728
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: matter of minutes you know whether or not you have

729
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: hops late and yroid present. And in our case, what

730
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: we do is we bring in single plants. We're not

731
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: if you've got ten clones of the prize clone, we

732
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: don't want them. We just want one we're gonna bring

733
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: that one clone up. We're gonna get it to a

734
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: size where it's testable, which is ideally young. We're gonna

735
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: take petials from all over the plant high low inside,

736
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna homogenize that to get the best result.

737
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: And if there's one indication you know, of hops late

738
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: and viroid, if that's what comes back from our third

739
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: party lab, because we don't use our own lab, we

740
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: don't use our own internal practices. We usually rely on

741
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: the nextternal lab. If there's any indication that there's hops

742
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: late and viroid, the plant is gone. We're not gonna

743
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: use it. There's zero chances going to make it into

744
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: our nursery. And and that stage one, you know, I

745
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: recommend after it even enters your nursery, before you go

746
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: up into what is like your commercial production. If it's

747
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: a hundred clones, if it's fifteen clones, if it's fifteen

748
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: thousand clones, test again from you're already clean verified mother stock.

749
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: Because that's what the hops latent part of hops latent

750
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: viroid is is that the viroid is latent and one

751
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: express itself necessarily until later on. So yeah, corn tine

752
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: and testing it's it's really not that complicated. You can

753
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: use a tent, a grow tent. That was a great answer,

754
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's such a pivotal important time

755
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: for the cannabis community to kind of rally around and

756
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: recognize that we are an agricultural crop. We're going to

757
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: be faced with more pests and diseases over the coming years,

758
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: and the more that we can share that information amongst ourselves, um,

759
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, and amongst the community is really really important

760
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: for us. And I think that, you know, we're going

761
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: to see other things. They're on the horizon, and I

762
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: don't like to think negatively. I think it's more of

763
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: a preventative that we can start to learn and look

764
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: towards the future of the best practices and working with

765
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: trusted partners, I think is a really really big deal.

766
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: I've realized. For me, it's like, I don't if you're

767
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: not going to do everything internally yourself with production, finding

768
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: a trusted nursery partner is key. And on that note,

769
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, i'd be curious the thoughts on you know,

770
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: I see the future. Sure of there's a lot of

771
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: talk around tissue culture and how I think it holds

772
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: a very important place in the cannabis industry. But I

773
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: also realized that as far as legal cultivation goes, it's

774
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: only about two per cent of the plants are grown

775
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: right now are coming from tissue culture. And for those

776
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: of you that aren't familiar, you know, there's a few

777
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: different forms of propagation, and TC is a great way

778
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: like maristem, tissue culture is a great way to clean

779
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: plants from pathogens, it's a great way to store plants.

780
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: And there's also I see maybe a couple issues with

781
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: the lag time in the early weeks of nursery. So

782
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: I see where it has a place in the industry.

783
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: But I'm very curious what your thoughts are on the future,

784
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: like all of you, what the thoughts are on like

785
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: tissue culture, clonal propagation, and then also where seeds fin

786
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: in for the future of the industry, because we're talking

787
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: about genetics. You know, we have micropropagation and we have

788
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: these other techniques. But I do really I'm I love seeds.

789
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's like for me, I have a passion

790
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: for seeds. I love selection, and I feel like in

791
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: the future they're going to have a deep place in

792
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: the industry. But it's specific targeted. So I'm just curious

793
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are on tissue culture, seeds and clonal

794
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: propagation in the future. Yes to all of the above,

795
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: Mr Hendricks, on some level. I mean, we're doing it

796
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: all honestly. I mean you Okay, I'll back up a

797
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: little bit. You pick up who's my source Hendricks Farms.

798
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: Why Because Hendrix Farms the first got one of the

799
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: first nurseries to find the virus. They're also one of

800
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: the first nurseries to put protocol in place. They're also

801
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: one of the first nurseries to test for it and

802
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: guarantee that the clones that come out of them are hot, latent,

803
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: viral load free. Man. That's what again, That's why I

804
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: think he's a genius. You know, that's part of this

805
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: whole step of this thing. You know, it's like those

806
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: protocols in place. What we're talking about. Okay, now we

807
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: have great source getting clones out. Now we're talking about

808
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: how are we going to get season too production. That's

809
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: the c collective. That's part of what we're working on

810
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 1: that to ramp it up to where what he asked

811
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: me in part one of our conversations. Now we've got

812
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: to get it all the thirty thousand Is that what

813
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: you asked me, sir, You need to get them into

814
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: thirty thousand seas Is that what you said, right? Yeah,

815
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: thirty thousand seeds right. I think there's I think that

816
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: there's a great story, and I think the tissue culture

817
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: why I need you. I think culture is going to

818
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: have an increased presence in the industry. I think that

819
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: it's great for long term plant storage. I think there's

820
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: going to be emerging technologies around tissue culture. They're going

821
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: to push the sophistication of it further. And you know,

822
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: if I were a tissue culture expert, I'd be able

823
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: to speak more on it. But there's a great story

824
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: about bananas that, like, I think and reflect how we

825
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: look at clones and seeds and the entire genetic library

826
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: of cannabis and so, you know, in the forties and

827
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: fifties there was kind of one banana cultivar that dominated

828
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: the global market. It was called Grow Michelle for Big Mike, okay,

829
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: and so Big Mike was being produced all over Southern America.

830
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: It was bananas are a lot like cannabis, to get

831
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: a stable flavor, yield, production that you want. It's a

832
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: clonal propagation that's like promoted up, and you can use

833
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: conventional cloning or tissue culture, but an identic replica. And

834
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all over South America and Panama

835
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: they started having this disease. They really started affecting yields,

836
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: and early on they called it Panama disease and yet

837
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: identified what it was. Much like we had to deal

838
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: with the hobslate and viroid, we call it dutting before

839
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: we actually discovered what it was. And we were seeing

840
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: this problem, and so Panama disease eventually was identified to

841
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: become fusarium, which is a common plant pathogen. We everyone

842
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: knows about fucium now. And in order to fix the problem,

843
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: they couldn't use any of the plants that they were

844
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 1: using all over the world to breed bananas, because we'd

845
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: all mono cropped bananas with this groomy shell. All the

846
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: genetics were the same, and there was enough genetic diversity

847
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: to create something that was fucerium resistant, and so they

848
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: had to search the botanical gardens in India, the botanical

849
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: gardens in Great Britain, and they had to combine genetics

850
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: from all over the world in these recesses of like

851
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: genetic libraries to recreate and breed with seeds something new

852
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: and pheno hunt what is now the Cavendish and the

853
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: dwarf Cavendish, which again dominate two thirds of the world's

854
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: banana population. So we're mono cropping again in banana. We're

855
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: doing the same thing in cannabis. Diversity is everything, and

856
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: so seed preservation, isolating you know, genetics and not corrupting

857
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: them from what the outside trend. Don't take your special

858
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: thing that you've had for thirty years and not introduced

859
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: any other genetics. Don't take it and crossed it with

860
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: ice cream cake and wedding cake and something purple and gassy.

861
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: You've absolutely corrupted your genetic line and you want to

862
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: maintain that. Because we haven't even scratched the surface. We

863
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: don't even know what we're testing for. We were just

864
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: talking with John McKay, uh extractor and you know, expert

865
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: on molecules. He understands that right now we look at

866
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: things so binary with th HC and CBD, and we

867
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: don't even have the technology to test th HC for

868
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: what it really is, which is dozens of different THC molecules.

869
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: So right now we're all looking at things in this

870
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: binary view, and it's going to be decades from now

871
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: when we actually are able to look at what we

872
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: even have and find out what the potentials are and

873
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: the different effects they have. So preservation is a huge component.

874
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: Breeding is going to be a huge component, and and yeah,

875
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: hanging on to what we have in every form, I

876
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: feel is really critical. That's really important. And I really

877
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: like that you brought it in with another agricultural crop

878
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: because I personally feel that there's a lot of people

879
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: who are breeding themselves into corners with a lot of

880
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: the hype and exotic genetics, and they're actually high orrying

881
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: people to breathe them back out of those corners. And

882
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly important right now that we actually

883
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: don't know what we're we're even looking at in the plant.

884
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: Like even in the past few months, they've just come

885
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: out with research talking about the trip to phanic compounds

886
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: in the leaves, and so we're always learning more things.

887
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: I liked what you said earlier, Steve, about that we're

888
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: not all you know, the term master grower is so

889
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, kind of it's ridiculous to me too. I

890
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: feel like somebody introduced me once like that and I

891
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: was like, nah, no, Like I'm a I'm a lifelong

892
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: learner of this plant, and I know that you know,

893
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: Doc is a lifelong learner, and we've all kind of

894
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: got that um. And I think that there's such an

895
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: important moment. We're at a pivotal moment in history where

896
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: we fully we don't fully understand the plant, you know,

897
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: with the plant has so many compounds, and when you

898
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: look to like the research in Israel and the rare

899
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: cannabinoids that we're kind of starting to find, and there

900
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: are literally like CANi flavians and the flavonoids, Like we're

901
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: not even testing for a lot of this stuff when

902
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: we're actually seeing that how the plant interacts with our

903
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: our body, you know, we don't fully know and even

904
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: beyond chirpings, there's just so much more to learn about

905
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: this plant. And so i'd like to, you know, take

906
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 1: a little bit of around and see what you guys think.

907
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: You know, maybe we could just do like a little

908
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: bit of a closing round and we can all talk

909
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: for a minute. Maybe I'd like to maybe any ideas

910
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: you have around helping other cultivators to you know, bring

911
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: up their chirping levels or you know, improve their yield.

912
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: Anything you want to throw out there to the community

913
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: or future forward where you feel like things are headed,

914
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: because we really don't know with this plant. And that's ultimately.

915
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: You know, one thing that I feel like I can

916
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: humbly admit is I don't fully understand the plant, and

917
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: I study it all the time, and I keep studying,

918
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: and there's always a new research paper coming out. So

919
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: with that in mind, you know, maybe we could just

920
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: do a little round and talk about where we see

921
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: things going based on where we're at, and any advice

922
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: to people out there. Oh yeah, I got a really

923
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: good tip. This is like how I changed my whole

924
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: perspective on the plant is Google Scholar. So I went

925
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: on Google Scholar and I set different cannabinoid terms cannabis genetics,

926
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: cannabis cultivation, cannabis humboldt, cannabis microbiome, and I set Google

927
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: scholar to send me an email with a summary of

928
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's published using those terms in the

929
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: peer reviewed journals. And then here's the really good tip.

930
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: You can take that journal and whether it's open source

931
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: or not, you can use PSI hub to crack it.

932
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I do that, but I'm saying

933
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: it's a very useful tool to get any kind of

934
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: scientific publication you want, um without paying the enormous fees,

935
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: because I think education should be free to everybody. Well,

936
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: that was some free wisdom there from Daniel Hendrix. Thank

937
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: you for sharing that. Uh, anything else you want to

938
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: add to that, Like for the no, I could go

939
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: on all day, Yeah, I know we could probably. We

940
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: could probably sit here all day until they come cut

941
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: us off and talk about growing. How about you, Steve, Like,

942
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: what about some future forward thinking or helping some advice

943
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: for the for the audience. Oh yeah, for any other

944
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: cultivators out there, I think, make sure you keep loving

945
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: the plant and uh if you don't focus on the

946
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: plant itself instead of you know, uh, Now, it's not

947
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: a one size fits all type of thing where you

948
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: get this magic nutrient, you put the exact amount in

949
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: it and you're gonna have perfect success. You gotta stay

950
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: reading it and just keep trying to learn what the

951
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: plant itself fast it's hits you in your gardens. I

952
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: like that. That's in a nutshell, brother, I mean if

953
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: you don't listen to what she's telling you, you're never

954
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: gonna get good at it. So there's not a one

955
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: trick fits anything. Everything is each Each genetic line is different,

956
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: each plant is different. They all I have four different

957
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: things that I'm working with right and how that I

958
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: work with, you know, and they're all different. If you

959
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: don't listen to her, you're not going to get where

960
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: you want to get with it. If we can't. We

961
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: could give all of our little trip tips and tricks

962
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: how I fix bricks and you know, create swell and

963
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: make it richer and sweeter and all that, but if

964
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: you don't listen, it doesn't matter. So you gotta listen

965
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: to mother Gange at first. Because mother don't she don't

966
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: listen to you. You've got to listen to her brothers

967
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: and sisters from the old man's well, that's a that's

968
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: a great piece of advice. I feel like I find

969
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't actually listen to the plant.

970
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that people could say it's

971
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: woo or whatever, but ultimately, if you walk into a greenhouse,

972
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: they've actually scientifically proven that the plants do communicate. They

973
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: make a frequency emission when they're thirsty, so it's like

974
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: a real thing that you actually are listening to the plants. So,

975
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think that there's no there's no bounds

976
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: with what science is actually slowly proving everything we know,

977
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: and I think we have a little bit more time.

978
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: So actually i'd like to, you know, maybe just do

979
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: one final um, you know, I'd like to projection. I'd

980
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: like a four, Like, let's do a little crystal ball action.

981
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: I think that's really kind of I would love to

982
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: hear where you guys think that cannabis cultivation will be

983
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: because I foresee personally, I see a lot of the future.

984
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I see that there's going to be, you know, a

985
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: lot more plant factories. I kind of see indoor tending

986
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: towards this more Japanese plant factory model, and that we're

987
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: going to change the course of how we grow. And

988
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: I think that i'd like to focus this question with

989
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: the idea of sustainability in mind, so, you know, in

990
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: the future, because a lot of the state legislations are

991
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: we're coming to a point with humanity, and personally, I

992
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: feel like cannabis we could leave a legacy for future

993
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: generations cannabis and I have a background with like organics,

994
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not opposed to salt. Like a

995
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: joke that I wouldn't have any friends if I didn't

996
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: have friends that were salt growers, um, But personally I

997
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: prefer to smoke cannabis that was grown organically with living soil, sustainable.

998
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: I teach permaculture like that's my jam, and I personally

999
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: prefer that so much more flavor profile wise everything. But

1000
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: I also have had to learn how to do other things.

1001
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 1: I've had to learn hybrid systems, I've had to learn

1002
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: how to run with salt. I've learned all the different ways.

1003
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's my preference, you know. I

1004
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: know that's what winds cups also is like the thing

1005
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: so if you really care and you're really doing the

1006
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: right thing with your food, I think that's really the

1007
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: ticket and bringing the chirps up. But I feel like

1008
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: we're getting to a point where we need more sustainability

1009
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: because no matter what we are, mono cropping, whether we're

1010
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, even the most organic sustainable farm, essentially we're

1011
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: still mono cropping if our primary crop is cannabis and

1012
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: there is crossover with hemp for disease and pests. So

1013
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: I think we are becoming an agricultural commodity and we're

1014
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: gonna need to start looking towards the future of how

1015
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: we can keep these diseases in check, how we keep

1016
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: the pests in check, how we keep genetic diversity in play.

1017
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: And so I'm very curious, you know, predictions for like

1018
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: the next one to five even if you guys want

1019
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: to go crazy and go ten years out, what do

1020
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: you see happening with the future of cannabis and cultivation?

1021
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: And doc go want to start with you craft robotic farming. Oh,

1022
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: the man said, craft robotic farming. Okay, So so tell

1023
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: me about your your cultivation robots duck okay, okay. So

1024
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: I've talked to some guys in Spain right now that

1025
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: do large scale rose production and they're shifting into cannabis

1026
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: and they do robotic rose production cultivation beautifully, but they're

1027
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: moving into our genetics. That's our thread, that's what we're

1028
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking to them about. So this is where it

1029
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: could be. I mean, what we do already is cutting

1030
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: edge from where it was forty years ago. You know,

1031
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: I run closed loop aarrow pontic high pressure aero pontic,

1032
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, with gas and LEDs and doors. Man, I

1033
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: use no soil, less water, less nutrients, less labor, you know,

1034
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: and still do it all organically because of my due

1035
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: treent regime that I work with. That to me, I

1036
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: think with water being critical is huge, you know. So

1037
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: I've tried to work in my realm. But in the

1038
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: same breath, cultivators have to improve and embrace technology as

1039
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: it comes out and over and over and over again.

1040
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I mean we're I'd really believe robotics

1041
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: and scale on cultivation is something and the coming in

1042
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: the next twenty years, fifteen years, five years. Well I

1043
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: love that. And personally, I'm such a huge fan of automnation,

1044
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: like automating everything, automating our technology, automating. I mean I've

1045
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: we've run with elipot for years, so I mean we've

1046
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: done we could do like eighty thousand seeds a day,

1047
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: makes the pots does the thing, and for large scale

1048
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: nursery operations that really it makes a huge difference. So

1049
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I mean, I used to be super anti

1050
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: robot My my best friend when I was a teenager

1051
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: had a band called robot Killer. But I've come around.

1052
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm cool with it now, So

1053
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean plants and robots is kind of like, I

1054
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: guess that's kind of the direction blockchain. You know, what

1055
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: do you what do you guys think, Steve, would you

1056
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: want to take a moment there and give us a

1057
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: little future projection what you see wrapping my head around

1058
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: the craft robot farmers still might armays catching our heads

1059
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: for a while. And now that's true that you know,

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00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: you've got to learn to be very efficient. You're gonna

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00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: need some degree of automation and pretty very hard to

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00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: be successful without it. Considering where the prices have fallen

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00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: and everything. So uh, I guess it's interesting to see

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00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: where it's all gonna go. I kind of think genetics wise,

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00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: people are gonna start seeking are already are starting to

1066
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: old school flavors. Everybody's reminiscing about them, and I think

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00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: we're getting sick of the same things crossed with the

1068
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: same things. That makes the best looking photo but not

1069
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: necessarily the best and enjoyable smoke to have. And it's

1070
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: getting one to mention also, maybe I'm being hopeful, but

1071
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: I see it splitting back a little back towards the

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00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: old school stuff, and everyone's gonna be trying to get

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00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: some actual variety. I think eventually, I really love that

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00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm still waiting for the train Wreck

1075
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: come back personally, like I'm like, bring back the train

1076
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: Wreck or just bring back some of the old school.

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00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a huge fan of like the old school hazes,

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00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of those things are lower yielding, so

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00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: it's a little bit hard for me to like justify

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00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: running them in production, but I'm a huge fan and

1081
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm hoping that's right. So we

1082
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: got robots and we got old school come back, and

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00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: then I feel like, what do you think, Daniel, Okay, yeah,

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00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: I I I just want to comment on that too,

1085
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: that I really like the idea of us getting changing

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00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: the genetics and taking control over that because I if

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: if there's a prediction that I see there around genetics

1088
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: and what types of genetics, it's how does the plant

1089
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: make you feel? Because I know that like a lot

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00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: of us have started to look to our diet and say,

1091
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: what are we eating and how does it make us feel?

1092
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: And we've changed the way that we go and get

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: the vegetables and the meats that we, you know, choose

1094
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: to put in our bodies. And I think that that

1095
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: connects to the local like aspect of it. And I

1096
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: think that if there's a prediction I see for cannabis cultivation,

1097
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: it's the right to farm, and that you'll see Hendricks

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00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: tags and plants at your local nursery and you'll be

1099
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: able to buy it, you know, without restriction. I think

1100
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: it's the number one hobby in America as home gardening,

1101
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: and that who doesn't want to try growing a little ganga?

1102
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: And so free the plant and and and fight your

1103
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: local you know, whatever city council because it's it's your

1104
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: right to farm and and it's the most restrictive component

1105
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: of the industry right now is that US licensed cultivators

1106
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: are getting all the fun. And you guys deserve that too,

1107
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: So if you're a consumer, you know, fight for that right.

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01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: I do have a thought on that, doc, I want

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01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: to hear. Okay, So we all where we all started,

1110
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: all of us started from. We were growing home cultivation. Man,

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01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: we all started growing our own first for ourselves. So

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01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of grow your own. So that's all.

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01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm just glad you said that Yeah, I want to

1114
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: say that too. If I think that if people have

1115
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: issues when they start to do your legislation in your state,

1116
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: if it's not I think that having home grow ability

1117
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: for everybody. I think people should be able to grow

1118
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: their own medicine. I think it's incredibly, incredibly valuable and important,

1119
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: and I think that we really need to fight for

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01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: that right and do advocacy right by standing up having

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: our voices heard. And I feel like, you know, Dale

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01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Sky Jones was here earlier on the panel, and she's

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: such an advocate for homegrow and I've had a vision

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: on that note, Daniel, that you know, I see plants

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01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: in you know, very commonly like and I do feel

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01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: like that maybe auto Flowers is a place where I

1127
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 1: see a prediction that auto flowers will be make home

1128
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: gardening much more accessible for people because they're so easy.

1129
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: There's no photo period sensitivity, and I could just easily

1130
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: see them on people's decks and patios, and I, you know,

1131
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: something I'd like to see my personal perception of what

1132
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: I'd like to see in the future here. And my

1133
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: little prediction is that I think cannabis has one of

1134
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: the most complex supply chains in the industry like it.

1135
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,959
Speaker 1: Just in general, we have such a complex supply chain.

1136
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: You know, things go from the breeder to the nursery,

1137
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: it gets third party certification, we get you know, from there,

1138
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: it goes to a producer, and then from there we

1139
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: have you know, lab testing. There's so many different places

1140
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: along the way. And then from there it goes to wholesale,

1141
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: It goes to distribution, It goes to the dispensary, the

1142
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: consumers get it. Sometimes it can go to processors and

1143
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: get processed into the next thing. I personally feel like

1144
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: we could teach the world a little bit about origin

1145
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: stories and about how how to actually track, Like somebody

1146
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: could tell me this is what it is. But the

1147
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: only thing I'm just taking it a face value, you know.

1148
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I trust terms because it's doc but

1149
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: there's no certification for me to actually know it is

1150
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: what it says it is. And so for me, I

1151
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: want to start to see the future. I want to

1152
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: see supply chain traceability for all things for humans because

1153
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to start carrying a little

1154
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: bit more about sustainability and about farm and about local

1155
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: and I want to know for sure it is what

1156
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: it says it is. You know, I believe that America

1157
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: has lost its way and the West has kind of

1158
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: lost its way with origin stories, and I think cannabis

1159
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: can teach us again to connect back to the source

1160
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: and there and we could use technology to storytell that application.

1161
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: So that's my like hope and prediction for the future

1162
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: is we're going to start to get some transparency into

1163
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: supply chain and that hopefully we can train other industries,

1164
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: is one of my hopes. So I kind of think

1165
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: that we might be I'm not sure time wise if

1166
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: we're like good to just keep wrapping, but I kind

1167
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: of feel like, does anybody have any closing words they

1168
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: want to like share something I love that? I mean,

1169
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: just yeah, the supply chain over complicated, and I think

1170
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: your heirloom tomatoes at the farmer's market taste better because

1171
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: all the people that picked them and prepared them and

1172
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: even brought them down to the market loved their job

1173
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more than the person that just was hired,

1174
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: you know, to pick per acre and then that got

1175
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: transferred onto a truck and they were in traffic, and

1176
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: there's an energy around that, and that like, if we

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01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: shorten the supply chain and you know, you're able to

1178
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: actually consume something that was harvested fresh and processed fresh

1179
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: by the same person who grew it. Uh, you might

1180
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: just see a little bit more love in the plant.

1181
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that, like you know, producers can get

1182
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: the plant to you a lot faster if they don't

1183
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: have so many hoops to jump through. So we do

1184
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: need to reduce the complexity, you know, in our California

1185
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: supply chain. And I think we can take control over

1186
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 1: that as citizens, So it's all right to change those things. Yeah,

1187
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: and you know you helped me kind of you bring

1188
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: a couple of points up for me because I feel like,

1189
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're required by the state and by law

1190
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: to use the CTS system, which is the cannabis tracking system,

1191
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: but personally, I feel like even with their r F

1192
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: I D tags and you know, we tag the plants

1193
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: and we tagged the product, but I still feel like

1194
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: the supply chain traceability is kind of a missing link,

1195
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: and so I think that bringing it back. I was

1196
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: super thrilled with California being able to have, uh, you know,

1197
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: a farm to table option for people, for farmers, connecting

1198
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: farmers to consumers, whether it's indoor outdoor greenhouse, however, is

1199
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: so important and to be able to have that interaction

1200
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: is you know, it's kind of a missing link with

1201
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: cannabis right now, and I think we really need to

1202
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: take back, like there needs to be a little bit

1203
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: of roots coming up. And also I feel that, you know,

1204
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: sustainability in general really needs to be kind of brought

1205
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: to the forefront because you know, most people I know

1206
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: don't actually know the impact of the type of agriculture

1207
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: they they do and what it has on the local community.

1208
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 1: And you know, same with extraction all these other things.

1209
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: Like when we're growing at scale, because we really are

1210
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: now growing at scale agricultural crop, I feel like we

1211
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: need to start looking towards what impact that has on

1212
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: the environment. And you know, I believe in Oregon it's

1213
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: like over fifty of the electricity is used for indoor cultivation.

1214
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: And as more states come online, we're going to be

1215
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: faced with more and more queries around how to grow

1216
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: cannabis sustainably and ethically, especially when it comes to indoor

1217
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: electricity use. And I think that there will also be

1218
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: a lot more led and that's kind of the plant

1219
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: factory vision. So I feel like I feel like we

1220
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: need to really start to change the way the conversation

1221
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: goes because when federal legalization comes down the pipe, it's

1222
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: up to us as cultivators and as the cannabis community

1223
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: to actually have a voice collectively. Otherwise we're handing that

1224
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: voice over to big tobacco, big alcohol, the pharmaceutical companies.

1225
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: And if there's any way for like the legacy, the

1226
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: legacy community, or the you know, roots cannabis community to

1227
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: actually have a voice, it says we can bond together

1228
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: and have a collective voice that's going to impact federal

1229
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: legalization and advocating for things like homegrow or more sustainability,

1230
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,479
Speaker 1: and so really the next couple of years, I also

1231
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: predict it's time for us to like rise up our

1232
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: voices is really important. So if anybody wants to add

1233
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: anything to that, that's kind of how I feel about it. Okay, yeah,

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01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: here here, Okay, cool. I think we're I think we're

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Speaker 1: a rap. Thanks everybody, that's awesome. Thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: to Cannabis Talk one on one on the I Heart

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