WEBVTT - How often do you actually need to shower? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.080 Hey, it's Devin. We are working on an advice episode, 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.360 and who more qualified to answer your questions than Man, you, 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.800 Noah and me Devin. So, if you have an argument 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:13.760 you're trying to settle with a spouse, you got a 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.479 debate you're trying to settle with for a friends, email 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.599 us at Manuoah Devin at gmail dot com, or you 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.840 can give us a call at the number in our 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:23.440 show notes. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:26.239 I'm Manny, I'm Noah, this is. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.440 Devin, and this is no such thing the show where 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.080 we settle our arguments in yours by actually doing the research. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.680 On today's episode, how often should you wash your legs? 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.920 I have no there's no no such thing. No touch, 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:51.760 thank no touch, thanks touch, thank no touch thank. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.440 So. I think a good place to start. This conversation 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.440 was one of our first conversations we had about showering. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.920 Okay, first conversations about show. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.160 Yeah, yeah, I remember. It's pretty. You know, it's a 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:09.800 core memory. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:10.920 Paint a picture for us. 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.560 We're all sitting in the old business inside our offices, 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.600 and one of our friends i'll say their name, but 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:26.800 we'll bleep it out, was talking about how her dad 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.200 is so crazy and you want to know, the crazy 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:31.360 thing that her dad does. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.360 Remind me really struggling to remember this moment. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.080 Her dad showers every day, right, So she was like, 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.760 my dad is so crazy. Guess what. He showers every 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:52.800 single day? Remember? And I said, okay, but what does 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.040 he do? That's crazy. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:57.320 He's playing basketball And. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.480 She was like, no, he just hours every day. Isn't 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.520 that crazy? And we were like no, like, we all 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:11.720 shower pretty much every day at least once at least minimum. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:17.120 And it was revealed that the time did not shower 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.000 every day. I think at that point she started to realize, Okay, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.200 she was in the minority here, I'm the crazy one 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.600 and the rest of us were showering on the daily. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:30.400 So we never quite found out how often showered, but 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:34.160 we do know it was not daily. Now, I will 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:39.440 say this, she did not stink. It was not a 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:40.840 situation when we were like. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.120 Oh, yeah, it makes sense, Yeah, no, of course not. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.680 In fact, I think I can recall a pleasant aroma. Yes, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.160 she smelled clean and perfume. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.799 Or whatever exactly it would you know if she had 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.560 not revealed herself in that moment, I never know. I 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.320 would have never known. But it bring to mind for 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:06.200 us this, you know, especially you know, being a black 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:10.040 man living in America. Sure, I've been learning a lot 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.720 over the last couple of years about other people and 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.640 other cultures living in America and how often they shower. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.959 So let's start here. All right, I'm sweating bullets, three 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:27.040 boys in a room. How often are we showering? Many? 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.160 I'm showering at least once a day, so like most days, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:38.120 it's just the one time morning or night morning, like definitely, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.200 not sometimes at night, but like not before bed. Like 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.720 it's not like I need a shower to get into bed. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.280 Start your day. You're showering, Yeah, when are you showering 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:48.000 twice a day? 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:48.920 Twice a day? 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:49.200 Really? 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:50.880 I mean it'll be like, all right, shower in the 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.160 morning anyway. But then let's say I go out, if 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.600 I biked here, for example, biked back, worked up a sweat, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:59.600 I'm not going to shower right when I get home, 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.040 but like later on, I'll feel kind of like, I 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.920 don't know, crunchy, yeah, and I'll just be like, all right, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.120 I just want to clean slate before I do the 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.120 rest of the day, if that makes sense. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.640 Okay, So it's like you said, it's not right before 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.320 you go into bed, but it's just like, oh, i've 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.240 been you worked out or something. Yep. You just like 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:19.960 your normal state to be kind of clean. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.559 Yeah, it's like more comfortable to feel fresh and clean. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.800 And if I don't feel like that, I'll shower. Okay, No, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.720 I'm pretty similar. Definitely, at least once a day in 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.120 the morning, that's the default. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.360 Yep. Yeah. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.320 And then it's very similar to Manny. It's like, especially 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.719 if I go out, especially during the summer, warm months, 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.560 and I come back nice refresh, whether it's kind of 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.359 right when I get back or later more like you know, 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.080 eight nine before I start winding down for the for 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:52.359 the evening. But but yeah, for me, it's like it's 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.040 just a nice way to start the day to actually 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:56.480 like get up and be like, all right, now I'm 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.320 ready to go. So it's it's kind of just like 0:04:58.360 --> 0:04:59.280 having coffee or something. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:04:59.919 It's like I want to do. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.240 It's not like it's not like I wake up, I'm 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.920 worried I'm gonna be so dirty or something. But then 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.840 it's like then my hair is in better shape everything. Yeah, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.520 you just get a lot better anyway. And and just 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.920 the act of being in the shower I like not 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.240 just the end product of being clean. It's like, like 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:16.440 I like spending time in there. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.960 That's my thing about it. I also enjoy being in 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.960 the shower. It's like you're sort of forced alone. You know, 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.880 you can't be on your phone for a long time. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.200 Sometimes I play a little music. Oh yeah, maybe sometimes 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:28.400 I listen to a little podcast. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.880 And as we know from a previous episode, you guys 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.640 love hanging out in the bathroom. If I can extend 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.719 my time in there, I'll take any chance, like a. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.080 Nice little shower. Yeah, I'm I'm at least once a day, 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:45.360 sometimes two morning shower for sure. Yeah, you know, ideal situation. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.640 I'm getting up, I'm working out, I'm showering. You have 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.520 to work out start my day, and then when I 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.880 get home at night, I'll shower before I go to bed. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.320 Speaking of people not showering, so so, there is this 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:08.240 journalist who was at The Atlantic, James Hamblin, who in 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:14.120 twenty sixteen wrote about his decision to stop showering. 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:20.080 Every day, no period, period. Oh my god, that's not 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:21.480 why he's no longer in the Atlantic. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:27.200 We read what you just wrote. It just smells, he wrote, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.360 You know, he ended up. That was an article in 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.280 twenty sixteen. In twenty twenty, he had a book come 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:37.440 out called Clean, in which he was still not showering. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.320 He talks about how it was a gradual thing, right, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.640 He didn't wake up one day and go from showering 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.680 to not showering. He slowly tapered his way off of it. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.039 Your body sort of gets into more of an equilibrium 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.400 when you stop doing these things. And I don't recommend 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.240 that anyone do it cold turkey. You know, we've all 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.560 when I was in the same habit as everyone are 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.640 doing a lot of showering and a lot of application 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:01.359 of So if I went a day without it and 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.480 a day without theodorant, I mean I knew it. I 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:08.480 smelled terrible, I looked greasy. I felt bad. Over Over time, though, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.080 if you gradually do less and less, your body gets 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.320 used to it. It's sort of like training for a marathon. 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.760 He does not shower. He hasn't showered now. That was 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:20.760 in twenty sixteen. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.400 Oh so this isn't really, this is truly I have 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:25.600 not showered in years. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.000 I thought, he has not showered in years. Look, he 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.320 may you know, I don't. I don't know the man, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.760 he may have snuck a shower in here there, you know, 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.720 he've rolled around in some mud, maybe maybe snuck a 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:42.040 rinse or shower in. But yeah, he's no longer showering regularly. 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:48.480 He does not use soap outside of his hands, and 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.120 he does not wear yodurant yo. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:57.120 Tell us a little bit about why, okay, because that's disgusting. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.880 So no offense to people. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.600 Yhowers, but no offense to our listeners who haven't showered 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.520 in ten years. We still want you to keep coming 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:07.840 back to it. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.040 On the developed country, there's no excuse. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:11.400 What is it? 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:12.040 What's his reason? 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:17.800 So he talked about in his book in the article 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:22.280 that he started to calculate how much time we spend 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.440 in our lives showering. Here we go with the time. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.800 Yep, this is the same thing as sitting standing and peeing. 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:28.080 Yeap. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:29.680 What's the rush, guys? 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.640 And he said, based on his calculations, we spend two 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:38.400 full years of our lives washing ourselves. And to him, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.280 it just he doesn't enjoy the act the showering obviously 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.520 like we do. And he was just like, why are 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:49.240 we doing this? He thought, you know, it's not medically 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.960 necessary for us to shower. We're just doing it because 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.760 that's what we do as a society. And he was curious. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.000 If he just slowly stopped doing it, his body naturally 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.120 adjusted and it wouldn't be necessary to do it anymore. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.040 I don't know why we have to pretend that it's 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.120 about like the amount of time at the end of 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.600 your life, you spent two years, how many how many 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.280 years you spend watching TV, or like how many years 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.439 you spend commuting to work. It's a bad way to 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.199 think about things. What it's like, what are you doing 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:20.120 with those two years? 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:24.800 That's so so great, that's so much more fun than thanhower. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.320 We spend two years being you know, like toddlers, Like 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.640 we're not doing like it's not that long. It's not 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:32.480 that much time to me. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.600 Yeah, why don't kids start working in the In the 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.679 minds again, it's about wasting time doing other stuff. It's 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.880 like having fun playing factory, do something productive for one. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.320 I don't like this at all. So what I hear 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.079 about like how much time it saves? I kind of 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.480 roll my eyes. But I am curious about like some 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.920 of his other reasonings that might have more weight to them. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.400 Yeah, you know, he talks a lot about it not 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.320 being you know, medically necessary. There have been a lot 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:02.920 of conversations about actually we shower too often nowadays, you know, 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.119 like I haven't done any research yet. 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.080 And I could easily believe that we might be showering 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.920 too often. I remember during COVID when when we learned 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.920 that we were putting hand sanitizer on too often and 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.400 how that actually harmed our hands over time. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.560 Well, yeah, yeah, that's what I was curious about, Like 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.440 how much it dries out skin by just doing the 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.320 water and rints and all that with the soap, like 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.840 ye versus I'm assuming I'm imagining by not showering, eventually, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.319 you're gonna your skin's gonna build up some more tolerance 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:30.040 maybe or something. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.319 Yeah some stink ye a nice good sting. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.720 And I think another aspect of this that we haven't 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.800 really talked about yet is how do we shower right? 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.960 It's not only how often, what are we doing once 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.000 we're in there right by play? So there was another 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:55.920 moment in culture in twenty nineteen where a user this 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.960 this tweet is now deleted, okay, put out a poll 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.920 asking when you go and shower, do you wash your legs. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.160 You all remember this conversation. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.640 I remember this. I thought it was from before twenty nineteen. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:14.240 Now it's twenty nineteen, and it was revealed through that 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.280 pole and subsequent conversation that a lot of white women 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.679 did not wash your legs when they shower. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.640 So if you do, you have an up opinion. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.000 I don't wash my legs in the shower. Do you 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:27.280 wash your legs in the shower? 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.520 We're bacta Taylor Swift who was just telling me about 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:31.960 washing her legs in the shower. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.920 I couldn't hear you. Did you say you do wash 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.160 them or you don't? I do? 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.400 Because when you shave your legs, isn't that shaving cream 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:39.040 is like soap? 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:39.280 Right? 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.640 Yeah, I mean you don't clean their legs well, but 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.160 you're sticking a shower regardless, So I mean it's not 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:47.559 like it's not getting clean. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.520 I mean you only got to do washing your legs, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.880 meaning like going through the effort of actually scrubbing your legs. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.080 Yes, okay, yes, you know you're go in the shower, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.760 you're soaping up, whether you're using you know, this is 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:58.240 another thing. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.800 Yeah, all right, we need to get into there's a 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.360 lot of right there's it gonna be a long This 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:03.160 might be a three parts. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.160 As you know, as a black band growing up in 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.240 this country and we where I was growing up, we 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.760 had something called the washrag. I know it maybe foreign 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:18.280 to some of our listeners, but a washrag is exactly 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.520 what it sounds like. It is a rag that you 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.440 would put some soap on and then use the rag 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.640 to clean your body. You know, you would change out 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.480 the washwrag every couple of days because it really, you know, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.200 it starts to get a little stink to it if 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:36.560 you don't. But you're using something Some people use loofahs. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.040 you know there's an African uh ba bathing that whatever 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:40.559 you call it. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.040 Yeah, as long as it has some coarse materials that 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.079 kind of exfoliates. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.800 But and you know, I learned this from an early 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:56.360 age from sleepovers at some of my friends' houses who 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.640 happened to be white. We don't want to make any assumptions. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.840 When they would give me, uh, okay, I'm gonna go shower. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.960 Here's your child, I said, okay, thank you, I need 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:12.120 that to dry off. Where's the washrag? And they're like, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:17.400 wash rag? What is that? You know? Like so a 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.840 lot of white people don't use washrags. They just use 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:21.959 their hand to clean everything. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.880 Yeah, it's like it's like finding out that my white 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.640 friends used to talk back to their mom. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.920 Yes, yes, yes, I didn't know that was an option. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.840 What kind of that kind of alien world? 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.880 So we say all that to uh bring us to Noah, Yeah, 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:43.480 no do you Yeah, if you're just listening, you're not 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.480 watching it on Instagram? Do you use a washrag? 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:46.840 So? 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.360 I use now, but growing up I actually did use washrags, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:52.439 like we always did have. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.360 A small one in there. Yeah, I would use that's beautiful. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.000 Yeah, that's why I never really thought to be I 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.760 didn't know. I didn't want to assume all did, just 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.640 the ones I was interacting with. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.679 Just to circle back a little bit, I remember that 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.199 discourse online end up being surprised at the amount of 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.800 people who didn't wash their legs or would say something 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.240 along the lines of like, I'm washing my you know, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.520 kind of the problem areas, and then the soap is 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.839 going to run it down. I remember, Yeah, and like, 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.760 I guess clean my legs on the way down to 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.520 the drain. Yes, which just doesn't make sense to me. 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.720 What you brought up a really good point when we 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.040 were talking about this. I don't know if you remember this, Manny. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.600 No, I fried my brain, you said, since then. 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.160 I think about it once a week now. Oh, it's 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.400 one of those things. Well you were like, how actually 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:40.840 every time I washed my legs I think about this. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.880 You're like, how long do you think this takes? 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:44.720 Exactly? 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.000 It takes less than thirty seconds still, wipe your legs. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.200 Less than that is we're acknowledging soaps running down your legs. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.000 You need to run, you need to rinse that off. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:59.200 Yeah, just that it doesn't take much the same amount. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.640 Of time to make sure there's not still bubbles all 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:01.120 over you. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.200 Yes, as to actually watch it and not take not 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.240 It doesn't add that much time to your shower. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.360 Maybe twenty seconds total. Yeah, how long are your showers? 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.640 By the way, Oh that's a really good question. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.400 So let's say the primary main shower in the morning. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.960 My my normal no rush shower about ten minutes. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.000 Yeah, I think I'm about that. I think the same. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.280 There are instances where like, maybe it's a night in 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.120 I've got nothing going on, you know, I'll just be 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.120 kind of day dreaming in there. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.480 Oh yeah, definitely, if no one else is around, so 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.080 I know no one's like a way, it's about. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.840 The something like I can definitely take long. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.480 Yeah, I'd say my standard's probably eight to twelve, yes, 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.520 and then yeah, if it's a nice one I'm chilling, 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.680 then close to twenty probably, yeah, if I'm just going 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:44.280 to take our time. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.520 Really, I'm the follower of the method of like, you know, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.840 really focusing on the quote unquote problem areas right, like 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:56.120 your your pits, your crotch, whatever, but your butt, yeah, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.640 and then doing a much lighter version of that for 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:00.080 the rest. 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:02.680 Of your boxactly. Yeah, you start with those. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.080 You know, five to ten minutes this thing. Maybe you 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.240 do a second round. I guess that's what I do, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.400 Like yeah, yeah. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:15.640 But like you got it once yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.160 I think like, you know, if you only did one 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.680 round in there, which sometimes I'm late or whatever, I 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.560 think you're you're a perfectly hygienic person. Oh yeah, So 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.680 if it's only taking five minutes in there. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.480 Yeah I could do. If you said, oh yeah, hey 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.840 you only got five minutes to shower, I could do it. Yeah, 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:34.280 I could do it. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:35.240 It could be pretty thorough. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:35.480 Yep. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.120 But maybe that's not exactly what this episode is about. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:40.960 Maybe I did a derail. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.680 No, No, it was good. Well, I think a lot 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:49.560 of that conversation ended up being too which also came 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.960 to mind from me, which is like the sort of 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.440 like acceptability politics of like what's allowed in certain cultures 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.960 versus what is not allowed, So like black culture is 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.520 very important to always be presenting yourself in the best light, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.560 which is like your clothes need to be iron right, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.280 they need to be clean. You can't go outside if 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.439 you stink, right, Like, it's it's a lot of you know, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.919 some of this is like respectability politics, but it's like 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.680 your parents were always like, you know, when people see you, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.280 they're not just judging you, they're judging all black people 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.240 exactly based on how you are presenting our family. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:27.240 And then also. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:34.680 Yes, black people whereas who's dak Shepherd and his who's 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:39.600 his wife? Oh yeah, Kristen Bell. They came out, and 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.359 the thing I love about these stories is that the 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.320 people just kind of volunteer this information. They said, they 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.399 only washed your kids when they start to stink, so 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.840 you know, like once a weaker some kids, I forgot 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:52.239 about that. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.200 We had to start saying like, hey, when's the last 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.040 time you bathe them? Yeah, forget sometimes. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.000 Five six days goes along. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.200 I mean they don't smell, so so you know it's 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:01.920 hard people. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.120 Well they do. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.720 I'm a big thing of waiting for the stake. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:12.159 With that's that's biology's way of letting you know you 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:13.080 need to clean it up. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.719 And it became a whole thing, right, It's like, so 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.600 I think, like, I think part of this too is 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:23.960 a cultural thing of like expectations around what is acceptable 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.879 versus what is not acceptable. And I'm not even saying 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.960 that like the black point of view here is correct, right, 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.200 Like I don't believe in respectability politics, but that on 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:38.480 the pod. Yeah, so I'm not saying like showering every 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.080 day like gives us, you know, a better chance of 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:45.119 getting equal, right, But I think it is part of 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:49.400 the equation of you know, not only what we're doing 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.640 in our homes, but also how comfortable we feel sharing, right, 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.400 Like there there's probably lots of black people who aren't 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.200 still doing the things that they were taught as kids. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.600 But they're not going to go on the internet say 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.679 oh yes, I also don't wash my legs and I 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.600 shower you know, once every two weeks, and you know, 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.560 to make it clear, James talks about this a bit 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.320 and his article in this book about like, hey, I'm 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:19.919 a white guy, great education, Like I have certain advantages 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.760 that allows for me to go on this journey of him. Yeah, 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:33.680 without it like completely ruining my status. Okay, we're gonna 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.720 take a quick break, and when we get back, we're 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.120 going to hear about a king that only took two 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.920 baths in his entire life, and hear from a dermatologist 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:54.840 about how often we should really be showering. All Right, 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:55.639 we're back. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.440 I'm Manny, I'm Noah. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:02.320 This is Devin. All Right, fellas, it's been a few 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:07.040 weeks since we last chatted about how often we should 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.840 be bathing. So in that time I've spoken to a 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.200 dermatologist who does have an answer. But before we get there, 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:19.080 I want to take a brief detour and figure out 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.920 how we got to where we are today in terms 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.760 of showering. So we're going to do a little abbreviated 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.199 history of bathing. Okay, So I called up someone who 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:30.240 read a whole book on it. 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.320 My name is Catherine Astenberg, and I wrote a book 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.760 called The Dirt Unclean and unsanitized history. 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.560 So Catherine came out with the idea for the book 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.200 after a trip to the museum. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.240 This book first came to me in a museum in 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.280