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Speaker 1: to the final episode of the Draft Show. It has
Speaker 1: been a interesting journey, to say the least. We had
Speaker 1: our three day coverage of the NFL Draft. I want
Speaker 1: to thank everybody that listened commented all those things. It
Speaker 1: was very, very positive. It's very nice to hear from
Speaker 1: the fans that they enjoyed our coverage. That and I
Speaker 1: went back and you know, I'm this big body's trying
Speaker 1: to get back in running shape again because we got
Speaker 1: some half marathon we're supposed to do before the Kansas
Speaker 1: City game in November, so I've got to find a
Speaker 1: way to muster it up one more time. But I
Speaker 1: went back and listened to Yeah, six months, we'll work
Speaker 1: on that. But I went back and listened to the draft,
Speaker 1: the actual draft itself, you know, with with our coverage,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was an entertaining when you're when
Speaker 1: you're doing it, you're really not thinking about it, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not, You're just kind of reacting to what's happening.
Speaker 1: And I'm going, man, there's a lot of good information
Speaker 1: going on here, a lot of discussion, a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, cowboy angles. We got the trade back in
Speaker 1: on day three that we were trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: talk about how that was going to happen. But that
Speaker 1: was just a lot of fun. That was that was
Speaker 1: three days of fun. And I yeah, and someone goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were on the radio for eighteen hours whatever, and
Speaker 1: it didn't even seem like And even when it got
Speaker 1: down to the end, it didn't seem like it because
Speaker 1: then we had mister Irrelevant with Chad Kelly and all that.
Speaker 1: So there was still a storyline even with the very
Speaker 1: last pick, you know, and maybe this draft more so
Speaker 1: than any of the other ones we've done. I feel
Speaker 1: like we were we were better prepared, and therefore the audience,
Speaker 1: I hope was better prepared. I think this draft had
Speaker 1: the fewest number of curveballs, like every single guy, maybe
Speaker 1: with the exception of Ivy and Carol, who were your
Speaker 1: last two pits. But the big names were guys that
Speaker 1: we thoroughly discussed and thoroughly vetted on this show, all
Speaker 1: of them going all the way from Taco Shadobe. Even
Speaker 1: I mean Lewis maybe wasn't on our radar as much
Speaker 1: as other guys, but we covered him at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: We talked about him pretty thoroughly with the off field stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, even thinking back a couple of years,
Speaker 1: obviously we joke all the time about Swain kind of
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. Ryan Russell was a guy that
Speaker 1: I don't remember being on our radar as much as others,
Speaker 1: but this one, like, I felt like this was as
Speaker 1: prepared as I've ever been for the picks that they
Speaker 1: wound up making, whether it's Xavier Woods or even again
Speaker 1: even Ryan Switzer, who not a guy that's super high
Speaker 1: on your radar, but definitely a guy that we talked.
Speaker 1: I was a surprise though, you know that, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the first you know, they chose to go the
Speaker 1: direction that they did in the first and second round.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that we were surprised that Rivers
Speaker 1: was still on the board at sixty in bash them
Speaker 1: on the board, whether you want to be or not, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: officially you're in the camp Like now, oh, I am
Speaker 1: in that camp where when I think I've got the
Speaker 1: I've got the I've got the tent up and the
Speaker 1: fire out front. When I think about the twenty seventeen draft,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, all right, let's see how Kevin
Speaker 1: King Derek were absolutely albash and pan out. Absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: what the alternative reality could have been. See that that
Speaker 1: to me, and you know, they brought guys in and
Speaker 1: what we've learned. What we've learned is, you know, there's
Speaker 1: some guys that they brought in and just because they
Speaker 1: brought them in, you know, they alerted us. It said
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, Hey, don't don't feel like because we brought
Speaker 1: these guys in that we were going to select them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, though we go back with McDowell,
Speaker 1: Malik McDowell right, kind of getting a vibe that the
Speaker 1: interview process with Malik McDowell didn't go well while you
Speaker 1: bring them in. Yeah, Tankers Lee was another one. We
Speaker 1: were cheerleading for Tankers Lely a little bit. I'll be
Speaker 1: completely honest, and that you know, we've been doing this
Speaker 1: for a while, so you know, me at Kulpa, that's
Speaker 1: on me for not really putting that together. But the
Speaker 1: thought really didn't cross my mind that you're gonna hate
Speaker 1: some of these guys you bring in on thirty visits, right,
Speaker 1: They're not all going to knock again. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: I think a very valuable lesson that we learned that
Speaker 1: the thirty visits are important because you look at you
Speaker 1: look at you look at who they drafted. Taco was
Speaker 1: a thirty visit, a Woozier, a thirty visit, Lewis, thirty
Speaker 1: visit Switzer. No that Xavier was though, but Xavier was
Speaker 1: Ye was in consideration at one thirty three. Yeah, so exactly. So,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's kind of a guidepost for what
Speaker 1: they were doing. It's a great guide post. But it's funny,
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny to sit here and think, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about Tanker's leave a lot leading up to
Speaker 1: and a lot during the draft because he fell so
Speaker 1: far and we're like, hey, this this could be it
Speaker 1: because he's a thirty visit and there they they didn't
Speaker 1: want him, clearly taught me. Taught me into potentially pouring
Speaker 1: water on my fire and packing up my tent. About
Speaker 1: those first two picks, you know you were I'm under
Speaker 1: the oppression that I felt like that Lewis will probably
Speaker 1: be a better player than a Woozier. That's me. I
Speaker 1: just feel like watching the tape that you know, that's
Speaker 1: the one question, Taco. You know, Okay, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get what they were doing right, But the Woozier
Speaker 1: pick is the one that's kind of got me. And
Speaker 1: I'm glad they came back with the Lewis pick because
Speaker 1: I feel like that, you know, we might see Lewis
Speaker 1: playing and a Woozier being an inactive guy. Well, what
Speaker 1: do we talk about when a Woozier was drafted, was
Speaker 1: he's a great nickel. You know, he can play a
Speaker 1: little safety, he can play outside corner, but nickel really
Speaker 1: is where he could fit best as splitzer as you
Speaker 1: know that versatile athleticism that he has. And then they
Speaker 1: come back in the third and get Jordan Lewis, who
Speaker 1: better even better nickel. Yeah, probably the best nickel in
Speaker 1: this draft. So what does that mean for a Woozier?
Speaker 1: The fact that he can play safety, the fact that
Speaker 1: you know you're willing to try and put your best
Speaker 1: four or five six defensive backs on the field, and
Speaker 1: a Woozia is one of those guys. So it's just
Speaker 1: how do they mix and match? How do they get
Speaker 1: their best four or five on the field at one time?
Speaker 1: Because they're going to run a lot of sub package.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter if these guys start, No, the
Speaker 1: starting part of it, it's it's it's if you're on
Speaker 1: the forty six, what are you doing right? Well? I
Speaker 1: think that start stat can be a little deceiving because
Speaker 1: so much of what the Cowboys run will be subpackage,
Speaker 1: will be nickel, absolutely, and so it's percentage of snaps
Speaker 1: plate that is the more important stat here. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I think when they try to get your
Speaker 1: best five defensive backs out there, a Woozier will be
Speaker 1: one of them. How do you but how where does
Speaker 1: he line up? And? Yeah, how do they use them
Speaker 1: that that would be the key. It's interest. I mean
Speaker 1: that extends to the entire defensive back deepth chart. Really,
Speaker 1: Like I was talking about this with Right. You know,
Speaker 1: you know your football team. How do they line up that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's baffling because literally all of their
Speaker 1: corners now, like what he just said about a Woozier
Speaker 1: and Lewis like, you can play outside and shift a
Speaker 1: little bit, probably best at Nickel. Doesn't that describe like
Speaker 1: every single corner on the Endrick, Yeah, that's Scandrick's bag.
Speaker 1: We know Carol can do it. We saw Brown can
Speaker 1: do it as well. Like I don't know how to
Speaker 1: project who's gonna be where when the season starts. I
Speaker 1: would guess. I would guess that they'll give Carol a
Speaker 1: shot at one of the outside jobs because of what
Speaker 1: they're paying him and his veteran experience. I guessed despite
Speaker 1: what Dane just said, I guessed a Woozier as an
Speaker 1: outside corner first, because they said they want to start
Speaker 1: him on the outside because the easiest place to start.
Speaker 1: Top of that, he's now the biggest corner on the
Speaker 1: team right Physically, he's got that Brandon Carr type of
Speaker 1: build where he can deal with those outside guys. Um,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. And then but then you think
Speaker 1: about if you talk about a Woozier and Lewis, if
Speaker 1: they're both good enough to play right away, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Anthony Brown, who were also high on, is
Speaker 1: like your fourth or fifth corner. That's crazy, Like I
Speaker 1: don't really know how it all shakes out. That is
Speaker 1: really their biggest corner. He's six one two o two
Speaker 1: I think, or he's just shy of six one, he's
Speaker 1: just shive six foot. He's just six foot okay that
Speaker 1: even still oh they play was short. But yeah even
Speaker 1: at five okay, even if I thought he was six foot,
Speaker 1: even at five eleven two o two, he's still like
Speaker 1: their stockist guy. I mean, Anthony Brown weighs like right
Speaker 1: right buck eighty and five or Scandrick is you know
Speaker 1: Scandricks on the shorter side. He's I mean, he's certainly
Speaker 1: one of their two biggest corners right now. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: it's you know, you back to what kind of you
Speaker 1: were talking about, how curveballs and we didn't really we
Speaker 1: weren't thrown off by a lot. When you look at
Speaker 1: their draft, they drafted nine players really only three positions
Speaker 1: defensive backs, wide receivers, defensive line. Oh but we thought that,
Speaker 1: didn't we go in And that's why we were kind
Speaker 1: of thinking there might be there might be a running
Speaker 1: back in there possible. We thought that maybe the bits
Speaker 1: are kind of pills that he fits that bill of
Speaker 1: what we were looking for though, like he's not gonna
Speaker 1: line up at running back, but he kind of fits
Speaker 1: that bill. As I asked somebody that was in the
Speaker 1: war roomaget back on that day three, I asked him
Speaker 1: about Pumphrey was in the discussion and then he went
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia. I mean he was in the discussion with Switzer.
Speaker 1: They kind of said that, yeah, they were, they didn't
Speaker 1: know what to do, and then Philly made it easy
Speaker 1: for Yeah, they were there. But the discussion that Pumphrey
Speaker 1: was potentially the fact that didn't the react action we
Speaker 1: didn't see there in the Ford Center warroom camp, the
Speaker 1: fact that they didn't react when pump Like nobody just
Speaker 1: went ballistic when Pumphrey was picked. They had an idea
Speaker 1: of what they wanted to do. Sorry, go ahead, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna I think Switzer fits them, Like I said,
Speaker 1: he fits the bill of a lot of what we're
Speaker 1: talking about. But would you rather have Pumphrey just because
Speaker 1: he kind of he legitimately can address two positions, well
Speaker 1: three if you count return. Well, Dane will argue with
Speaker 1: me that we haven't seen him as a returner. We haven't.
Speaker 1: That's facts that that is true. Give me the get
Speaker 1: i've seen. Now, we've seen him at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen him work, you know, pro team
Speaker 1: work him in the drills and stuff, look comfortable doing it.
Speaker 1: But we've seen, oh, I've seen Ryan Switzer as a returner.
Speaker 1: And Stephen Jones said the same thing after the draft
Speaker 1: was over, and I think I tried to I asked
Speaker 1: him about it. He didn't really give me the answer
Speaker 1: I wanted. But I think that extends to their entire draft.
Speaker 1: Like with the needs that they had, this entire draft
Speaker 1: was about give me the guy that I've seen do
Speaker 1: it on tape. I'll, you know, give me the less
Speaker 1: athletic Oh that's why the T. J. Watson. Give me
Speaker 1: the less athletic end who has played end his whole career,
Speaker 1: as opposed to the guy who maybe is a good
Speaker 1: end but has never played it before. It's really interesting
Speaker 1: that they've kind of gone away from what we thought
Speaker 1: that this front office was kind of trending towards, you know,
Speaker 1: spark in the athletic profiles, and you know, they went
Speaker 1: with the football character, right guys. You know, the less
Speaker 1: questions give us the better football players, maybe not as
Speaker 1: much upside as some other players. So that part's interesting.
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you about this wide receiver
Speaker 1: depth chart of these four receivers. Do you think all
Speaker 1: four will make the roster at a training camp? Between
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, Switzer, Lucky Whitehead, and Butler. See that's where
Speaker 1: I don't think they're married to the last two. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're married to Lucky, and I don't think
Speaker 1: they're married to Butler. Oh there's well, I mean logic
Speaker 1: and you know, just crunching the numbers tells you they're
Speaker 1: not married to him. Lucky he's got a year left
Speaker 1: on an undrafted deal, and Butler's one year. It's basically
Speaker 1: making he's thinking a little more than VET minimum, but
Speaker 1: not a substantial amount of money at all. And Noah
Speaker 1: browns a seventh rounder or you know, a late round pick.
Speaker 1: So it's not like they're married necessarily to him, but
Speaker 1: I think they depending on what he shows in training camp.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it'd be a shock if
Speaker 1: they kept Noah Brown over a white head or Butler
Speaker 1: let me. I kind of look at Noah Brown like
Speaker 1: they did with Cavon Frasier, right, you know, I look
Speaker 1: at him and old guy. Yeah, I think they keep
Speaker 1: me him spreadshirt. Yeah, if he's not good, he's your
Speaker 1: fifty third. I could see. Maybe I could, and it's
Speaker 1: sneaking him through. Might not be. I'm saying that right now.
Speaker 1: I think I could see them keeping six receivers for
Speaker 1: that very reason, and I don't think it would be
Speaker 1: that hard to do based on two quarterbacks, just that
Speaker 1: you got. I don't think you're going to carry a
Speaker 1: third quarterback. I think they're gonna go light on offensive
Speaker 1: line like they like to do. Your linebacker depth charts
Speaker 1: pretty much set today as far as I'm concerned. I've
Speaker 1: kind of I've been looking at this, and there's ways
Speaker 1: to do it. If you really if you really feel
Speaker 1: like you're not comfortable leaning on Brown as a rookie
Speaker 1: and you don't want to let Butler go or whatever,
Speaker 1: I think you could do six receivers on this team
Speaker 1: if you really had to, or you know, between between
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and Andy Jones, one of those guys you
Speaker 1: can sneak through the bell. Andy Andy Jones is the
Speaker 1: one guy that has been here. Yeah, he's the one
Speaker 1: guy that they they understand. Andy Jones had a darned
Speaker 1: good chance of making this football team last year and
Speaker 1: then he the very end, he hit the rookie wall
Speaker 1: and couldn't finish the deal. Who's better Noah Brown Randy Jones?
Speaker 1: I take Noah Brown myself. I'm and this happens everything.
Speaker 1: I've seen Noah Brown play a bunch. I like Noah Brown.
Speaker 1: I I went on they guess say on. I was
Speaker 1: on Sean and RJ on one oh five three and
Speaker 1: I said something about the route running. How a big
Speaker 1: body lee. He remind me of Dez Bryant running those
Speaker 1: those inside routes and stuff like, that's all you have
Speaker 1: and that's and that's what people. Yeah, they picked that up,
Speaker 1: of course they did. Nationally picked that up. That's okay.
Speaker 1: He's a big body guy running routes, very physical, very physical.
Speaker 1: That's that's why that's why City reminded me of Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be better than Bryce and Butler
Speaker 1: by the end of training camp, but I think his
Speaker 1: up he's tough, for his upside is just yeah, freaking
Speaker 1: his hell, which is why I would not. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll see how training camp shakes out. Maybe he has
Speaker 1: five nine guy I wouldn't. I wouldn't cut this guy. No,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be. He was supposed to be
Speaker 1: the guy at Ohio State last year or two fifteen.
Speaker 1: Broke his leg in the summer, so he missed all
Speaker 1: of two fifteen, came back this year. At Ohio State offense,
Speaker 1: the passing on the quarterback was awful. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how much it was. I mean, j T. Bart was
Speaker 1: definitely part of the problem. Part of it was the
Speaker 1: offensive line. I think part of it was on Noah
Speaker 1: Brown when you watched the film and he just wasn't
Speaker 1: getting open consistently. I mean, it was everyone involved. So
Speaker 1: now seeing Noah Brown here in an NFL training camp,
Speaker 1: eager to see how he responds to that. I think
Speaker 1: you're right about needing almost a red shirt year miss
Speaker 1: a player who was a red shirt sophomore at Ohio
Speaker 1: State probably only one season of experience, so he's I
Speaker 1: don't think he's quite ready to face you know, he
Speaker 1: is very physical. I don't think he's ready to face
Speaker 1: press NFL corners on a consistent basis. Like to see
Speaker 1: if he bullies to these guys in training camp. I
Speaker 1: think it battles, because what will happen is Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: will take a liking to this kid because he looks
Speaker 1: like him. He does, he looks he looks like Dez.
Speaker 1: He's a six three two twenty pound guy, and Dez
Speaker 1: will take and this kid will watch Dez get violent
Speaker 1: with these corners, and these corners will fight him back,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and all of a sudden, Noah
Speaker 1: Brown will be a guy. It's like, whoa, I can
Speaker 1: I can get away with this. I can bully these
Speaker 1: guys a little bit. I can just and I'm calling
Speaker 1: my shot. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can just see
Speaker 1: during the season when you do your inactives on Friday,
Speaker 1: he's an inactive the guy he's in slot number one
Speaker 1: as ye like, I'm he's too good to let go. Oh,
Speaker 1: I understand. I would be impressed if he if he
Speaker 1: really earns a significant role, right, so you know, and
Speaker 1: it's it would just project fifty three. I mean, just
Speaker 1: if you had to, if you had to bet right now,
Speaker 1: fifty three on the fifty three. Brown, Yeah, no, Brown,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, I think so. Because he's not
Speaker 1: going to make it on the practice squad some of
Speaker 1: the team I think would scoop him up. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think he'll make the fifty three. And I
Speaker 1: think this team carries six receivers and like I said,
Speaker 1: a minute, it's interesting. I mean two quarterbacks probably four
Speaker 1: running backs, eight linemen. Maybe you get away with three
Speaker 1: tight ends to help you out with that if you
Speaker 1: want to, depending on James Hanns. No, actually I take
Speaker 1: that back. They have to carry four tight ends. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think I think Rico makes the fifty three. This
Speaker 1: we're not talking about this Marquez White at all. No,
Speaker 1: he is. And see that's what that's is the forgotten man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could. You could go a lot of different directions
Speaker 1: with this draft class, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you look down there at pick two, sixteen in the
Speaker 1: sixth round, and nobody's talking about this guy. Anytime I
Speaker 1: have to list the picks off or getting I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: who was that, Oh, Mark Quaiz White, That's right, like
Speaker 1: every single time. But and I think he's a good
Speaker 1: player too. It's it's not fair to him. Just I think, well,
Speaker 1: I just in the sixth round though, I think we
Speaker 1: had him on our one oh five three board in
Speaker 1: the fifth and I think we were a little high
Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, I'm just to me. I just I
Speaker 1: had more negative notes than I did positive notes about him.
Speaker 1: He's a traits prospects. I mean, you're drafting for the
Speaker 1: traits and you want to develop those traits. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a foreign basketball player. Watch him be the best
Speaker 1: corner out of this group. Hey, if he does Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: that would actually probably that would make their life a
Speaker 1: living hell because then you're talking about you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can cut a sixth round pick, but if he's
Speaker 1: out playing guys that you spent, that you invested in,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's I'm worried about. Was he a
Speaker 1: I am worried about I'm worried about him in what respect.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if he could be a great player that I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he could be a steady But I loved
Speaker 1: I love Lewis. I love Jordan Lewis. I think that
Speaker 1: I feel more confident in that pick than I do
Speaker 1: a woozy A. Well when you especially when you consider
Speaker 1: the value. I hope I'm wrong. Sixty. I hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're alone in that though, And I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I'm more nervous about what kind of player he
Speaker 1: could be. I think if you and I have, I've
Speaker 1: been pulling people in the building since the draft, just like, Hey,
Speaker 1: which how do you feel? Who'd you like? Who's your favorite?
Speaker 1: And Lewis is the answer more often than not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But that's like Dane said, that's a value thing too.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about Dane. I'm sorry. We were
Speaker 1: talking about what we were talking about white and you
Speaker 1: get him at ninety two. Yeah, we were talking about white.
Speaker 1: So it's just about all the corners, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you brought it up. Hey, we're talking about keeping six receivers.
Speaker 1: Here's a fun exercise for anybody listening at home. Go
Speaker 1: cut this dB depth chart down. Yeah, you're you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna keep ten. That's the standard. But although, like I
Speaker 1: just said, I think you could finagle it to keep
Speaker 1: eleven if you really have to, but I think you
Speaker 1: have to. Another thing too, is you're gonna hear a
Speaker 1: lot of You're gonna see a lot of tweets coming
Speaker 1: from camp from the rookie camp this weekend. Just kind
Speaker 1: of tap the brakes on all that. Just wait till
Speaker 1: you get to training camp. Wait till you have full
Speaker 1: team roster, Wait till you have everybody has the opportunity
Speaker 1: to learn what's going on, and then when we get
Speaker 1: out there and get competitive out in Oxnard, because a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of snap judgments are gonna be made
Speaker 1: this weekends playing these guys are even gonna be going
Speaker 1: against each other really no, no, but the but the
Speaker 1: the rookie guys, I mean with the rookie is going
Speaker 1: against rookies. That's what I'm bout. Like, I feel like
Speaker 1: they're gonna limit the competitive portions of this came. You're
Speaker 1: gonna say, just more teaching. Yeah, it's been that way
Speaker 1: in that way the last year it's on air. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, if you want to get excited about
Speaker 1: Xavier Wood high pointing a ball during and drill like
Speaker 1: against nobody, I'm just saying, you just have to be
Speaker 1: a little bit careful about that, Yeah, because we tend
Speaker 1: to like somebody will see something on Twitter and they'll
Speaker 1: make a snap judgment about it. It's you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean they kept five five corners and five safeties
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, and they've done six and four in
Speaker 1: the years before that. I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: with this right now. And you know, if a guy
Speaker 1: like Mark Wez White out plays his status on the day,
Speaker 1: I mean, that'll only make it even more challenging. I
Speaker 1: got you like interesting. All right, Well, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our first break and when we come back, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get We're not gonna do any Twitter on the twenty. Uh.
Speaker 1: We just talk about I want to get into around
Speaker 1: the league and the drafts and how who you thought
Speaker 1: did very well, maybe somebody that didn't do so well
Speaker 1: on your board. We'll get into that. We're gonna also
Speaker 1: want to take your calls. I mean, I'll make up
Speaker 1: for it if you want to call us at the end,
Speaker 1: we'll tap. We'll leave some time for some of your
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Speaker 1: two one four nine four one eighty three is the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com drafts back here on the draft
Speaker 1: show for the final time from the s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: Studios Brian broad Us, Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Kent Garrison.
Speaker 1: Uh with you today. Uh, I want to get into Dane.
Speaker 1: And I was listening to the while I was out
Speaker 1: getting again this big body around a track. I was
Speaker 1: listening to Trust the tape. Yes, Jeff Kavanaugh on myself,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh. And it's a podcast that everybody should listen to.
Speaker 1: And hopefully you guys do it throughout. No, you're talking
Speaker 1: about doing it, you know, once a week. Yeah, seeing
Speaker 1: how the fans support would be on it, we'll probably
Speaker 1: take off, you know, May or something. We'll be back
Speaker 1: in June and we'll all get ready for the season
Speaker 1: start talking about NFL college football. Yeah, definitely plan on
Speaker 1: doing it. So and you guys got into more so
Speaker 1: your winners the losers in the draft. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know it's hard to say losers because I had had
Speaker 1: a personnel man, tell me one time after the ninety
Speaker 1: eight draft, you heard this story before God rest his soul,
Speaker 1: John Gohler. I'll call you out on that, John Golder,
Speaker 1: who was taken over in Philadelphia for US. He goes.
Speaker 1: You just had the worst draft in the history of
Speaker 1: the National Football And I said, you want to give
Speaker 1: it a couple of years. He says, nah, you had
Speaker 1: a bad draft. Three years later for the eight picks
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl. We traded for Hugh Douglas. So
Speaker 1: it worked out pretty good. So if Andy Reid, I say,
Speaker 1: Andy Reid did it pretty good. You know, once they
Speaker 1: drafted Don mcnad, they worked out. I'm not bitter. I
Speaker 1: just I wish it. I'm not bitter. I just wished
Speaker 1: that people would give, you know, give these drafts an opportunity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, let him materialize. But right now we can,
Speaker 1: you know, we can have a little fun with it
Speaker 1: because you take your board. I like to take my
Speaker 1: board and look at Okay, who had a good draft
Speaker 1: according to my board or my top fifty or my
Speaker 1: top one hundred. Right, it's very self serving. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just winners and this it's just based
Speaker 1: on how we individually graded players. Right. You know, one
Speaker 1: of your winners might not be a winner for me,
Speaker 1: just based on how we grade the player. Oh no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was my my number one winner,
Speaker 1: and I'll just give it to you right now. Is
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers, that was my number one team.
Speaker 1: Their average if I looked at their board just real
Speaker 1: quick as off my draft board or one oh five
Speaker 1: three draft board, their average election was two point eight
Speaker 1: of the players that they took. I'm bad, no right there, Hey,
Speaker 1: I was we were talking about on the draft day,
Speaker 1: you know, need to Tom told they need to have
Speaker 1: a good draft out there. And Los Angeles they got
Speaker 1: Mike Williams to start, and then didn't they draft like
Speaker 1: two starter calibers, four slam eight overall like eeny Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was incredible. That's a that's a hey,
Speaker 1: nobody likes us in our new home and let's yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're giving some help, if if you know,
Speaker 1: if if they in fact do fire that general manager
Speaker 1: out there, I think just looking at my I'd like
Speaker 1: to step been there. If they've got the if they've
Speaker 1: got Mike Williams, Fort Lamp, Dan Feeney, Ray, Shawn Jenkins
Speaker 1: safety from Miami who we liked, Desmond King about Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Sam the kid Sam Tavilla, I always say his name
Speaker 1: wrong to hey, Teddy, excuse me, to yeah, Sam to
Speaker 1: be from Utah and Isaac Rochelle. On my board they
Speaker 1: went one two, two, three, two seven three. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a draft. I mean that's a draft for me. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with this cat.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely that's great, and I think they got good
Speaker 1: value on all that. But I think to Dane's point, it,
Speaker 1: I mean it is kind of self serving. You you
Speaker 1: love those guys, somebody else hates those guys. That's okay.
Speaker 1: Somebody hating my draft in ninety eight, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: And John Goehler, it's it's a great away really afterwards.
Speaker 1: It's a great stat that Stephen Jones provided us with
Speaker 1: on Saturday night. He's I think four of their picks
Speaker 1: were in their top six eight. Everybody likes to draft. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, duh, they're high on your board,
Speaker 1: that's why you picked them. Yeah, so I mean bad,
Speaker 1: how good they are? We know how many players they
Speaker 1: had on their board overall. I mean it could have
Speaker 1: been und by the way I got confirmation Cook was
Speaker 1: the last first round grade they had on their board.
Speaker 1: When they Cook at twenty eight, I could have sworn
Speaker 1: on Thursday night they said it was Oh, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a corner two. But it but a guy
Speaker 1: told me it was it was cook. Why even put
Speaker 1: a first round like not that you not that you
Speaker 1: think he's undraftable, but why not just take him off
Speaker 1: your board? Then you know you're not going to draft
Speaker 1: him in the first round if he was there at
Speaker 1: sick No, that's you gotta you gotta do your board.
Speaker 1: You gotta put your names up there. Isn't that window
Speaker 1: dressing your board to have a first round grade on
Speaker 1: a guy you know you're never gonna take and put
Speaker 1: the names up there. I see your point. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I understand there's no chance. And it's always an argument
Speaker 1: the best player and all. I get it and that
Speaker 1: and if I think you have to put your board
Speaker 1: up there, that's another happens on top of the thirty
Speaker 1: visit lesson. Not every thirty visit's going to be a
Speaker 1: guy that they want. The other lesson that I really
Speaker 1: learned is to a certain degree, and there's it makes
Speaker 1: sense and it's a worthwhile strategy. But the whole BPA,
Speaker 1: you know what your grades, it's all lip service to
Speaker 1: a degree because it's some there's a list available, need
Speaker 1: there's a line where you're like, you're not just gonna
Speaker 1: take a guy because I'll argue with you and I'll
Speaker 1: lose every time. Yeah, and I'll lose the argument because
Speaker 1: it it doesn't work out there way you said. Mike mcagnan,
Speaker 1: And on the Trust to Tape, he drafted two safeties
Speaker 1: and two wide receivers. He he believes the best player available.
Speaker 1: He really does, but not every GM does what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: all right. I think the top ten this year kind
Speaker 1: of showed that. I mean, how many skill players went
Speaker 1: on the top ten this year? I mean Corey Davis.
Speaker 1: I like Corey Davis. He's not the fifth best player
Speaker 1: in the draft. Mike Williams. I like Mike Williams's seventh
Speaker 1: best player in the draft. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just the way the skill players kind of went
Speaker 1: off the board this year. Who saw that coming. I
Speaker 1: would also argue at Mike mcagnan is a good example,
Speaker 1: and at the Cleveland Browns right now are another pretty
Speaker 1: good example. There are only so many teams that have
Speaker 1: the luxury to do that. Again, and you talk a
Speaker 1: lot of it in the city. You talk a lot
Speaker 1: about Jerry Jones having comp you know, he can do
Speaker 1: what he wants because he's not gonna get fired. Well,
Speaker 1: if you're confident that the Jets know they're going into
Speaker 1: a rebuild right now, you can make those types. But
Speaker 1: that GM might get fired. Yeah, but GM and coach
Speaker 1: you never know what that But they do with the Bears,
Speaker 1: you know what, they get the quarterbacks. The head coach
Speaker 1: thinks he might be getting fired. Well, and that's why
Speaker 1: they went and got Glenn and paid them all that money.
Speaker 1: So yeah, keep the head coach happy. But you know what,
Speaker 1: you hopefully we don't see Trubisky this year only in
Speaker 1: mop up duty. Maybe, you know, on same thing with
Speaker 1: Mahomes mop up duty. Bears are gonna be like way
Speaker 1: out in front of some people, or we might see
Speaker 1: him the whole month of December, mop up the blood
Speaker 1: bath after they're losing. Yeah, yeah, okay, I talked about
Speaker 1: the Chargers give me, give me your three. Well, kind
Speaker 1: of back to your original point about you know, how
Speaker 1: we view these things differently. I loved I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I really like what the Chargers did, but they didn't
Speaker 1: even make my top five. So it's just it's interesting
Speaker 1: how it works. Enjoy that mint chocolate chip ice cream.
Speaker 1: Dave I like. I like Dane's top five a lot.
Speaker 1: I already I read it after the draft. Cowboys made
Speaker 1: it a number five. You know, Taco Charlton was four
Speaker 1: point two on my board. Yeah, you know, in which
Speaker 1: where had that rank overall? Kind of middle of the road,
Speaker 1: middle of the road. Yeah. Actually, if you want to
Speaker 1: just go nfcast Philadelphia four point one, Dallas four point two,
Speaker 1: Giants four point three, and the Redskins were four point eight.
Speaker 1: But they had multiple selections. They had ten selections. Just
Speaker 1: wait to we get to the Redskins. But see, I
Speaker 1: like the Woozia and Jordan Lewis a lot more than
Speaker 1: you did. You know, both those guys were top fifty
Speaker 1: from me, that's the question. And that Yeah, that kind
Speaker 1: of that moves the needle. So the Cowboys came at
Speaker 1: number five, number four. The Lions for me, I liked
Speaker 1: what they did on defense. See, the Lions were one
Speaker 1: of the worst. For me, I had them at five
Speaker 1: point three. Order like, just let that's fine about twenty twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's funny. I mean Jared Davis, I love the linebacker
Speaker 1: from Florida, second round pick, first round grader on me
Speaker 1: tease Taber you like the more n I did like
Speaker 1: in the second round. Yeah, Kenny Galladay. Who for those
Speaker 1: of you that play fantasy football, keep an eye and
Speaker 1: Kenny Galladay. Yeah, you know he's not gonna get drafted
Speaker 1: his highest Corey Davis and Mike Williams. Kenny Galladay stwhere
Speaker 1: in your face sweeper getting him? Heck yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be their number three yr sive you think he's gonna
Speaker 1: score eight touchdowns this year? Kenny Galladay? Yeah, Kenny Golladay, Um, okay,
Speaker 1: number three the Redskins. I mean, look at this value,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen and at seventeen overall, Ryan Anderson, we can
Speaker 1: debate in the second round, Sure we can. Uh, Fabian
Speaker 1: Moreau in the third. I like that one. That one.
Speaker 1: I love the Redskins draft. I think it might be
Speaker 1: my favorite of all of them. Som J P. Ryan
Speaker 1: in the fourth. Yeah, okay, and then that's where it ends, right,
Speaker 1: My got no way. My guy ends shoplifter Sprinkles and
Speaker 1: Jerry Sprinkle. Okay, it's a fifth round guy on my board.
Speaker 1: He went in the fifth round. Chase Ruler. Ruler was
Speaker 1: a seven. From there on out, it's six and sevens.
Speaker 1: Give me I like what they did. Give me the
Speaker 1: first five. I think the first five me Alan. I
Speaker 1: like Anderson more than a lot of people like him.
Speaker 1: To Moreau is your baby, like you're oh. And then
Speaker 1: add in a guy like p Ryan who can certainly contribute,
Speaker 1: if not start right away, and I like sprinkle. I
Speaker 1: think that's a great haul right there. I don't even
Speaker 1: care about the right I agree. Rand Anderson's one of
Speaker 1: those guys where I'm not sure exactly where he plays.
Speaker 1: The athletic testing was in, but yeah, I was. He's
Speaker 1: he's got their bodies hidden somewhere. He's yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, maybe he's like a two down linebacker who
Speaker 1: has a limited role, but he's gonna knock the snot
Speaker 1: out of people's and just be He's gonna be the
Speaker 1: guy that gets in a yelling match with Dez on
Speaker 1: the fifty before the game. It's kind of like a Woozier,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, right, did you did
Speaker 1: you say Cincinnati, I'm on number three or I'm sorry, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: go ahead number two? The Cleveland Browns with five picks
Speaker 1: in the top sixty five, they should have done well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that actually the Browns here ten selections. They had
Speaker 1: ten selections. Their average on my board was three point nine. Well,
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett. The moment they took Myles Garrett number one overall, boom,
Speaker 1: they were all winner. But then you have drill peppers
Speaker 1: like I guess. The one thing I had an issue
Speaker 1: with the Browns draft they traded away from Millie Cooker.
Speaker 1: Oh that rush him for that though? I do that
Speaker 1: rush him on the on the podcast. Yeah, because that
Speaker 1: I'm not trading away from the second best player in
Speaker 1: the draft. In my opinion, you would have got one
Speaker 1: two on your board if they would have done absolutely.
Speaker 1: And but a part of this is they picked up
Speaker 1: a first round or next year. We'll have to wait
Speaker 1: and see what that first round or next year it
Speaker 1: turns into maybe that they used that to go up
Speaker 1: and get a quarterback. Maybe they you know, who knows
Speaker 1: what that first pick for the Texans will be next year.
Speaker 1: So that that's part of that discussion. Uh Na Joeku
Speaker 1: in the first round at twenty nine, you know he's gonna,
Speaker 1: I think contribute right away. Fifty two overall, Deshaun Kaiser
Speaker 1: one of my favorite picks in the draft. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: knew this was coming. Well, Look, I don't see a
Speaker 1: huge difference in terms of uh upside in terms of
Speaker 1: being starting quarterbacks in the NFL between Deshaun Watson and
Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser. And so you can get Deshaun Kaiser forty
Speaker 1: picks after not give up a first round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after forty picks after Watson goes off the board at
Speaker 1: that kind of value outside the top fifty picks, give
Speaker 1: it to me all day. So we argued on draft
Speaker 1: day about what Watson might do this year. So if
Speaker 1: they're that close, I mean, how many games are you
Speaker 1: expecting Kaiser to start this year? We'll see him just
Speaker 1: because the Browns need to need to see him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there gonna be picking there's one to go up
Speaker 1: there and get a quarterback. It's not gonna look like
Speaker 1: a great pick if they go after Sam Darnold next
Speaker 1: year or who well, and that's that's why they need
Speaker 1: and that's why that's Browns well the quarterba it's a
Speaker 1: quarterback graveyard. It suri is it is, it is. They
Speaker 1: they're the one team. If I was the owner of
Speaker 1: the Browns, if if I was, I would ask my
Speaker 1: general manager, what is our problem with evaluating quarterbacks here, what,
Speaker 1: let's do a study. Why do we miss quarterbacks so much?
Speaker 1: They did, and they the answer came up, we should
Speaker 1: draft Teddy Bridgewater and they didn't. They drafted Johnny Manziel. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just look, it doesn't They've gone through
Speaker 1: so many different decision makers and people in the front
Speaker 1: office that they make it painful there when they evaluate quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: They might as well just skip the day. You know.
Speaker 1: Part of this is Kaiser is a fifty second pick overall,
Speaker 1: a lottery ticket with those odds. That's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I understand. I was just gonna give him
Speaker 1: Draft Peterman here, you know, watch what's gonna be all
Speaker 1: day over Peterman? What's gonna I know, But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I was. I was agreen with your lottery quarterback bit.
Speaker 1: What'll be painful is when our guy Kessler beats him
Speaker 1: out like easily, like Jie Kessler for days. Look, Kaiser
Speaker 1: is twenty one years old. How many twenty one year
Speaker 1: old starting quarterbacks are there? You know, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: there's there's not many. No, Kaiser won't start the season.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't. I hope he doesn't. He needs a little
Speaker 1: bit of time, but we'll see him at some point
Speaker 1: during the season. For no other reason than the Browns
Speaker 1: need to know. Hey, what do you got kids? Month
Speaker 1: of December? What if five games? Four games? Pro bowler
Speaker 1: Cody Kessler and I sell anybody on that vision. Maybe
Speaker 1: if twelve quarterbacks get hurt in the FC yikes, Oh damn.
Speaker 1: I like when Dane throws shade. He doesn't do it,
Speaker 1: not very often, but when he does, it's particularly hard
Speaker 1: to get your five there. Number one Sincinnate Bengals, number
Speaker 1: one since SAT Bengals. Look, I don't disagree with they're
Speaker 1: they're going for it. Andy Dalton is basically in his prime.
Speaker 1: You know who he's ready to go. Mervin Lewis has
Speaker 1: been a coach there for thirty two years now. It's
Speaker 1: been a long time. He's got something going there. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So John Ross top ten. Oh, I like it. Risk reward,
Speaker 1: I mean year, Joe Mixon risk reward in the second round,
Speaker 1: plus they traded back pick up another fourth round or
Speaker 1: that's not Josh mull I didn't know they traded there
Speaker 1: Cincinnat I didn't think their phones worked. Hey, I've never
Speaker 1: made a trade with Cincinnati. They just don't like you.
Speaker 1: They don't they well they're they're probably not aggressive making
Speaker 1: those calls. They'll take them, okay. And yeah, so the
Speaker 1: Vikings went up and got Dalvin Cook, Bengals went back
Speaker 1: on Mixon. Interesting how that works, and then on defense
Speaker 1: in the third and fourth rounds, Jordan Willis, Carl Lawson.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a great value. I had a
Speaker 1: one on Ross, one on Mix and three on Willis,
Speaker 1: one on Lawson, five on Malone. That's another one those
Speaker 1: teams four point six on the average on eleven picks,
Speaker 1: a lot of picks. And the fifth round center they
Speaker 1: got JJ Dealman. That was that was a Steel. I
Speaker 1: think he can start for them one seventy six. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right about that. So Bengals to me came out
Speaker 1: as the top team. And just in terms of players,
Speaker 1: I liked what the value and not only instant contributors,
Speaker 1: but down the road, what this team could be made.
Speaker 1: Dalton has to be pretty happy with what they did
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds. Yeah, oh, I bet he's thrilled.
Speaker 1: Nine is a little high for me for John Ross,
Speaker 1: but because the injuries, the injuries, and then I don't
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean I'm scared of what might happen
Speaker 1: with that. You also already have aj Green, so do
Speaker 1: you need Yeah, but they have anybody that can really know,
Speaker 1: they need other receivers and they what if I told
Speaker 1: you he is going to average which fourteen starts a year,
Speaker 1: first rookie contract? Is it worth in top? How many
Speaker 1: yards per catch? As well? You don't know that. You
Speaker 1: just know he's gonna be. He's gonna play, he's gonna
Speaker 1: line up. I'm also I feel like he's gonna get
Speaker 1: his butt kicked by like bigger NFL corners. Man, it's
Speaker 1: hard to him, Okay, you catch him. Yeah, well it's
Speaker 1: a good point. It's hard to get your hands on smoke.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I don't love that pick, but I can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't argue with the which pick do
Speaker 1: you like the least? Mixon or Ross. I'm very confident
Speaker 1: Mixing is going to be a very good player, so
Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't worry me from that standpoint, But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to draft him. So I still like
Speaker 1: Ross more than him. Yeah, I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to take very long for Mixon to establish himself as
Speaker 1: the second best back in that division behind Levon Bell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't be high praise. It's really I don't even
Speaker 1: know that it is though. You think about what else
Speaker 1: is in that the Ravens don't I mean, Kenneth Dixon
Speaker 1: and the Ravens. Yeah, they got not a lot the
Speaker 1: Browns Isaiah Crowell. The second best back in the division
Speaker 1: right now other than rookies is probably Jeremy Hill. I'll
Speaker 1: probably take roll over him, but yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's we're debating between Hill and Crowel. So, yeah, did
Speaker 1: you have one team, just one team that you didn't like? Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm saying, I'm just saying you didn't like
Speaker 1: him from there that they had a terrible draft, But
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I know, you talked about on on
Speaker 1: your podcast about what the Giants did with the titles.
Speaker 1: I get that we would documented, but this the's somebody
Speaker 1: else that you went through and you kind of said, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I get it, but I don't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there wasn't anyone that really stood out, just and I
Speaker 1: think that really speaks to the depth of this draft,
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't mean to put you on
Speaker 1: the spot but I'll say my old buddy's Green Bay.
Speaker 1: I didn't think Green Bay did very well select I
Speaker 1: know that they were kind of low for you, but
Speaker 1: even I kind of liked what Kevin King a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my pet cat. I think Jamal Williams is gonna
Speaker 1: could be or Howard Yep. I mean, even though, like
Speaker 1: I know, in terms of value for your board, did
Speaker 1: you know, I still and I think again, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what that's all. But that's what where I'm getting at.
Speaker 1: I know, this draft, the depth this draft, even though
Speaker 1: the guy or the teams that you didn't love, they
Speaker 1: still got some D'Angelo Yancey, Aaron Jones, those are fifth
Speaker 1: round yeah right, I mean I was down on him
Speaker 1: all during the draft. There were teams that did things
Speaker 1: in the middle of the draft. It actually helped themselves. Sure,
Speaker 1: I mean drafted a bunch of seventh round guys in
Speaker 1: the fifth round. That's not helping yourself. No, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: well we'll see. I don't know. I Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: gonna turn Malachaidu Pre into a total stud. Just watch
Speaker 1: you think, Yeah, if if the pre makes the roster,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna make an NFL roster. He's in a
Speaker 1: great situation right there. All right, how about Oakland Conley?
Speaker 1: As you say, the fella fon wou Banderdoo's David Sharp,
Speaker 1: Marquel Lee. You know obviously it really just hinges on
Speaker 1: that first round pick. I mean, that's they'll baffles me.
Speaker 1: I don't never you're happy about You're happy about Oakland.
Speaker 1: No can their first round pick play? Do we know
Speaker 1: that for sure? Yeah? That's I mean, I hope they
Speaker 1: know something I don't. Well, that's the same thing with
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis here. You know, you just yeah, that's more
Speaker 1: than what's been reported at this point. But listen with
Speaker 1: Gary and Conley, it's not even like it's not Gary
Speaker 1: and Conley was a top ten pick, you know, like
Speaker 1: a so you're getting good value at twenty four. I
Speaker 1: mean I thought he was a middle late first round pick,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where Oakland took him. And so
Speaker 1: I think he was basically drafted where he should have
Speaker 1: been drafted. But he also has all his baggage hanging
Speaker 1: over his head, and that's he could not be he
Speaker 1: might not be playing. Oh yeah, you just never know.
Speaker 1: I feel like the allegations surrounding Conley, not to make
Speaker 1: light of what's going on with Jordan Lewis, but I
Speaker 1: like they're too do. I mean, no, Conley allegations are
Speaker 1: worse and there's no questions. So there's that, and Lewis
Speaker 1: is as bad as well. But yeah, it's just you
Speaker 1: just hope that these teams, and these teams put a
Speaker 1: lot of money into investigating and you know, doing the
Speaker 1: background work and sure so there's no doubt these teams
Speaker 1: no more than we do. Hopefully they just know enough. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anybody you like any drafts? Well, I mean I said
Speaker 1: I love I love the Redskins draft a lot. Honestly.
Speaker 1: I thought the Redskins and Eagles both had really good drafts.
Speaker 1: The Giants gave me a flip. Again, I would say
Speaker 1: the Eagles over the Redskins. But that's okay, that's just me.
Speaker 1: Eric Barnett, what Sidney Jones's I mean, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a red shirt in your second with your second round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Eric Barnett, Sydney Jones or shul Douglas I really like
Speaker 1: and Mac mac hollins that was a fourth rounder for
Speaker 1: you best free. There are some teams that Sheldon Gibbs obvious,
Speaker 1: We've we've covered a lot of them. Like overall, classes
Speaker 1: are really strong. Um I thought, I mean when you
Speaker 1: read it all out loud, the Bengals class is great.
Speaker 1: But I just love like individual picks where you just
Speaker 1: look at it and you're like that is a oh yeah,
Speaker 1: a great value or a great spot. I mean, Jordan
Speaker 1: Willis and Carl Auston both going to the Bengals, that's insane.
Speaker 1: It's like Billings going there last year unexpectedly. Uh. One
Speaker 1: that I really, I really love is Pittsburgh getting Juju
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster. I think that just the just the pick
Speaker 1: you just the toughness of the gay right there, everything
Speaker 1: about him adding to what they already have there. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: let's stick with the same team t J Watt in
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah. That to me, that's the perfect
Speaker 1: marriage between skill set and then defense, what they want
Speaker 1: to do, the culture they have their absolutely one thing
Speaker 1: that stood out to me Carolina really want to see
Speaker 1: the Christian McCaffrey, Curtis Samuel dynamic. Carolina is gonna be
Speaker 1: must see TV this year. I want to see how
Speaker 1: they how do they uh you know, use those touches
Speaker 1: between the two. Do they both line up in the
Speaker 1: backfield at times? Will they both be out in the slot?
Speaker 1: How did they kind of you know, I know Curtis
Speaker 1: Samuel is probably more a slot receiver than a running
Speaker 1: back for them, you know, for better or for worse.
Speaker 1: But it's eager to see how they make that whole
Speaker 1: dynamic work. I liked what they pick they did in
Speaker 1: the in the fifth round at one fifty two corn
Speaker 1: Elder Cornelius third round grade on him. If you're were
Speaker 1: those teams like, Okay, mccaffreendo you were, you were hiring
Speaker 1: on mccaffree and I was two two three five the
Speaker 1: Hall pick, I'd just say the Panthers probably would have
Speaker 1: made my top five winners if they wouldn't have drafted
Speaker 1: Hall except for DaShan Hall. Yeah, in the third round
Speaker 1: they took them, what seventy seven overall? Yeah? How about
Speaker 1: how about the Cards getting your guy Hassan Reddick and
Speaker 1: my guy Buddha Baker. That's that's that's an interesting one
Speaker 1: too when we talked about it during the Draft show,
Speaker 1: because Buddha Baker. If there was a honey Badger in
Speaker 1: this draft, it was Buddha Baker. And so How do
Speaker 1: they have those two players play on the same defense.
Speaker 1: How does that work? It's just interesting to see the fit.
Speaker 1: But the Cardinals, they're notorious for not necessarily taking the
Speaker 1: prototypical player. They all they got a vision for players absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean they did it with Daon Buchanan, with Tyron Matthew.
Speaker 1: Of course with the Son Reddick and Buddha Baker this year.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely interesting. They're gonna be fun. Just real quick,
Speaker 1: before we go to break my top three, I said
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers Jacksonville an average of three point
Speaker 1: one in Miami at three point one. I feel like
Speaker 1: most people consider Jacksonville a loser in this draft. So
Speaker 1: that's interesting to hear. But see, that's a great thing
Speaker 1: about the draft. Yeah, I'll see these players different ways, right,
Speaker 1: They probably are think Jacksonville is a loser of the
Speaker 1: players they select the positions that they select. Let's Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournette at fourth overall, they could have had Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: at in the second round. Yeah, at that page. So
Speaker 1: it's just you know, you never know. I mean, it's it,
Speaker 1: but I just I don't know Jacksonville. To me, it's
Speaker 1: a team. I keep an eye on. One of the
Speaker 1: team that I think is being talked about really highly
Speaker 1: about what they did that I didn't necessarily love was
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. I mean, yeah, Solomon Thomas, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: they traded back Sloman Thomas, the same guy that we're
Speaker 1: gonna take it too, um and then to trade back
Speaker 1: in and get Ruben Foster. Not enough is being talked
Speaker 1: about how Ruben Foster might need another surgery. Yeah, that one.
Speaker 1: That one was that one was low on my list too, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot going on with Ruben Foster. And
Speaker 1: then I love Weatherspoon in the third round, but then
Speaker 1: they also cj Bethird uh round. Yeah, you made you
Speaker 1: made your point about that. Joe Williams, who I would
Speaker 1: not have drafted him. I mean he might retire in October. Again,
Speaker 1: he didn't like football. Maybe Peter King reported that he
Speaker 1: wasn't even on their board. Yeah, that going into the
Speaker 1: day the day that they picked him, Shanahan called that basically, Joe,
Speaker 1: I think Joe Williams might be the biggest uh boom
Speaker 1: or bus pick in that zone deef or a zone
Speaker 1: run offense that they they're gonna run with. Shanahan he
Speaker 1: could have a huge rookie year, or again he could
Speaker 1: retire and he just never never know. Okay, we got
Speaker 1: to take our final break. When we come back, we're
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Speaker 1: is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys the Clock. Well,
Speaker 1: we are on the clock for the final ten minutes
Speaker 1: of the twenty seventeen draft season. Once again, we appreciate
Speaker 1: everybody out there that has followed along since right before
Speaker 1: when we started, when we were going to the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's we've enjoyed this every step of the way and
Speaker 1: hopefully we've we've educated like we thought we would and
Speaker 1: you're able to understand these players a little bit better. Kent,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn it to you. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we have any calls yet. Your luck, we do, we do, okay,
Speaker 1: very good lighting up, give us a call eight at
Speaker 1: eighty five, two to nine seven. We're gonna start with
Speaker 1: Phil in North Carolina. What's up? Phil? Hey, guys, Hey Phil?
Speaker 1: Three quick points I wanted to make. I'm notoriously kind
Speaker 1: of hard to police as far as a draft, but
Speaker 1: I was actually pretty satisfied this year because I felt
Speaker 1: like a lot of the guys that we got were
Speaker 1: on better scheme fits, specifically for Rod Mary Nelly. So
Speaker 1: I think when you have a core of a team
Speaker 1: that's already built to win, sometimes it's more important just
Speaker 1: to get those guys that could feel rolls, and I
Speaker 1: feel like they did a good job of that. And
Speaker 1: also the second point is a credibility standpoint. This regime was,
Speaker 1: you know, with the GM and the coach and M
Speaker 1: and McLay and those guys, you know, they've just built
Speaker 1: up a certain level of credibility with me with the
Speaker 1: draft and Travis Frederick when a lot of people were down,
Speaker 1: and just built an overall depth as far as for
Speaker 1: agencies concerned. And third, is it more of a question
Speaker 1: just our human questions? Last year I was thinking this
Speaker 1: was before all of the coverage you guys do now
Speaker 1: with Ezekiel Elliott's pick. It always had me wondering, what
Speaker 1: was Maurice Clarette's draft round projection from you guys. If
Speaker 1: you don't have it, that's fine, but I've just been
Speaker 1: curious about that lady lately. Thanks. Thanks, appreciate that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he said everything about you know, McClay and
Speaker 1: all that Clarette. We weren't doing the draft show, oh Clarette.
Speaker 1: Where we God, No, that was I mean I actually
Speaker 1: was working for the Cowboys. I mean exactly, I was
Speaker 1: sitting there. I grew up a couple of blocks away
Speaker 1: from where Maurice Clarette was. Uh made my hometown of Warren, Ohio.
Speaker 1: And so I've followed him religiously, you know, just because
Speaker 1: I've known him for a while, and you know, I
Speaker 1: never thought he'd go in the third round, but he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Broncos Mike Shanna had took a chance on him there
Speaker 1: when he ran like a for eight at the combine.
Speaker 1: I know, he was terrible. I mean he's arrested shortly
Speaker 1: after his cut. Didn't couldn't make it out of training camp.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought he was a late round pick
Speaker 1: at best. But he was a visit here. He was
Speaker 1: a visit here for the Cowboys, and and he was
Speaker 1: one of those guys that didn't work out. The visit
Speaker 1: didn't work out very well. No, Yeah, he had the attitude,
Speaker 1: character and all that stuff they were we were trying
Speaker 1: to get to. But yeah, he was a guy that
Speaker 1: was off the board. So I but the talent, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you watched him his freshman year at Ohio State. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a big part why they won
Speaker 1: the national title that year. And then if people remember,
Speaker 1: the next year, he tried to petition to Yeah, suspended,
Speaker 1: so he tried to go to the NFL, couldn't do it,
Speaker 1: so basically had to sit out until he could enter
Speaker 1: the draft. And yeah, he was out of shruble rookie deal.
Speaker 1: He had to make the team to make any money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a bad situation. Heard he's doing well though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Motivational speaker him, Jim Trestle. I think it was a
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty or something like that. It was really
Speaker 1: Uh he's a Youngstown guy. Since you know he's actually
Speaker 1: still around that area, is good? Yeah? Good? All right,
Speaker 1: kemp Chan in Oklahoma, go ahead, Yeah, guys, I just
Speaker 1: want to give you a big thank you for all
Speaker 1: your draft coverage. Appreciate that. I was kind of bummed
Speaker 1: this year. I was. I went over to Germany to
Speaker 1: visit my brother during the draft weekend, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of bummed to miss it, but then I remembered
Speaker 1: the Draft show there. Yeah, we got up at two
Speaker 1: am Friday night, well would have been Friday morning for
Speaker 1: us to watch the first round, and at one am
Speaker 1: the next morning to watch the second round. So thank
Speaker 1: but yeah again, thanks for that. Also, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys have ever thought about it, but I
Speaker 1: just want to run an idea by you guys. Have
Speaker 1: you ever thought about having like a Draft show contest?
Speaker 1: Because I would pay an unridiculous amount of money to
Speaker 1: come be with you guys to Draft weekend and and
Speaker 1: just kind of listen with you guys and kind of
Speaker 1: give my two cents. I don't know if that would
Speaker 1: ever be a possibility, but like some kind of maybe
Speaker 1: we could do like a do you like a mock
Speaker 1: draft contest or something event. I think that'd be so cool.
Speaker 1: You bring someone in you guys have some kind of
Speaker 1: contests an ultimate fan because I follow all your guys
Speaker 1: the show as I got I bought Dan uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Holy Grail of guide books and all that stuff. I
Speaker 1: love the Draft that anyway, thank you, and my only
Speaker 1: question to you guys, really besides that is just what
Speaker 1: do you think will rank in the division right now? Um?
Speaker 1: If I I'm I'm an optimist. But I like to
Speaker 1: think the Giants, with what they did at uh Marshall
Speaker 1: and that receiver Ingram and then what they're already stout
Speaker 1: being just what the troubles they gave us last year,
Speaker 1: I would probably say they're the favorite. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I know we won the division last year, but I
Speaker 1: just like to see where you guys stack us to
Speaker 1: see in the division. And I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, thank you, Yeah, thanks. I mean I pretty
Speaker 1: much agree with him, all right. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a wide gap. And I mean not like the Giants
Speaker 1: are without their flaws. They or they did not address
Speaker 1: their office at Oh yeah, they are basically banks. The
Speaker 1: Waddy I think was one of their picks. They are
Speaker 1: banking on Eric Flowers to be the guy that they
Speaker 1: drafted him to be. Justin Pugh's still there. He's a
Speaker 1: good player. Um signed Fluker they did, and um Weston
Speaker 1: rich Rich He's a solid play. I mean, so they've
Speaker 1: they've got talent what I mean running You got Paul
Speaker 1: Perkins at running back. Did they draft one? Uh? They did,
Speaker 1: Wayne Gallman. That's right, Okay, So honestly, I think the
Speaker 1: Giants have fewer questions than the Cowboys right now, even
Speaker 1: even knowing that their offensive line might not be great.
Speaker 1: Eli Manning is capable, the receiver Cords gross in a
Speaker 1: good way. That I mean, they just drafted Evan Ingram.
Speaker 1: They added Dalvin Tomlinson too. They lost, and then you
Speaker 1: look at you look at that defense. Yeah, but exactly,
Speaker 1: I mean they drafted to replace that, and then you
Speaker 1: add basically, you know, three Pro Bowl caliber players on
Speaker 1: the line. Landon Collins all of a sudden is a monster.
Speaker 1: U who else you got? I mean there, I'd get
Speaker 1: the Giants, I would I would give them. They're the
Speaker 1: one team that gives Dallas a lot of problem obviously
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, two games. Having said that, I
Speaker 1: do think it will be it. I think the East
Speaker 1: will put two teams in the playoffs this year. I
Speaker 1: think the Redskins, Cowboys and Giants are all capable of
Speaker 1: winning this division. I think, and then depending on the
Speaker 1: Eagles can go as far as Carson Wentz develops, so
Speaker 1: how he does. But I would say I would have
Speaker 1: like the Giants one A and the Cowboys one b
Speaker 1: It's not like huge gap, but yeah, it's out in front.
Speaker 1: Can't we got another one? I'm sorry, no, I'd agree
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, it really depends on Dak what we're seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, what's inspect Yeah, can't another one? Johnny in
Speaker 1: North Carolina, go ahead, Johnny? Hey, how y'all Don Frothers, Hey,
Speaker 1: Brian Brothers, David hell Man. I just want to give
Speaker 1: y'all a good shout out, man. I love how y'all do.
Speaker 1: How y'all work for work really well together. Y'all compliment
Speaker 1: each other very well, like Pete Burn Jackie Man. Just
Speaker 1: a quick question. Haven't heard a lot about Robert bland
Speaker 1: Um and what what excels for Lucky Whitehead? Knowing that
Speaker 1: we got Ryan Switcher coming in and one more thing,
Speaker 1: the actual when y'all, when y'all do the overlook for
Speaker 1: rookie Mini camp, I love it, um. I love how
Speaker 1: y'all get the explosive. That's how y'all get up and
Speaker 1: close the training camp live. Y'all was going to do
Speaker 1: that again this year training camp live or live. They
Speaker 1: might have put the kebbas they don't like us doing
Speaker 1: that because because other teams around the National Football League.
Speaker 1: We're really enjoying our Yeah, other teams. Other teams started
Speaker 1: telling the front office they liked our coverage we had.
Speaker 1: We had guys. I had scouts walk up to me
Speaker 1: and say that, Hey, the guys over in Atlanta really
Speaker 1: enjoying the training camp live today. So sorry everybody, but yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry about that. We're not gonna might not be featuring
Speaker 1: though we won't be doing that this year. That goes
Speaker 1: back to the point I was trying to make about
Speaker 1: Robert Blanton, which, like I said, cut cut this depth
Speaker 1: chart down to taff for me, because I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got all your You drafted three cornerbacks, you drafted a safety.
Speaker 1: So four defensive backs overall. Heath and Byron are here.
Speaker 1: They're not going anywhere, U Scandrick and Brown and Carol
Speaker 1: aren't going anywhere. And I mean you can talk trade
Speaker 1: rumors if you want, but dealing just in facts. So okay, Byron, Heath,
Speaker 1: Cavan Fraser still here, Xavier Woods. There's four right there.
Speaker 1: You keep a fifth with Robert Blanton. We could go
Speaker 1: five and five. Yeah, you could go five and five.
Speaker 1: Do you want six corners instead? And I think the
Speaker 1: idea for Blanton is that he's primarily more of a
Speaker 1: special teamer who can play safety if he needs to,
Speaker 1: which comes in handy if you're planning on upping Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath's defensive snaps. But in May, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to answer that question. I think it's just gonna depend
Speaker 1: on play it out. Yeah, who performs well in training camp.
Speaker 1: We got a couple of minutes behere, we have to
Speaker 1: end this. Think, uh Dane, talk about though twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: a little bit. The big thing is going to be
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. I mean, at this time last year, we're
Speaker 1: talking about Miles Garrett. He was the number one pick.
Speaker 1: We felt pretty good about that. Even at this time
Speaker 1: last year, I feel pretty good saying that the number
Speaker 1: one overall pick next year will be a quarterback. It's
Speaker 1: just you know which quarterback will be. Could be Shim
Speaker 1: Darnold from USC Rosen UCLA. And then of course we
Speaker 1: have Josh Allen from Wyoming, who's really talented but so raw,
Speaker 1: he needs so much work. You also have, of course
Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy winner with Lamar Jackson. So the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are really going to be driving the discus should like
Speaker 1: like it always does. But we will have several top
Speaker 1: ten quality quarterbacks. Uh, and then real quick at running
Speaker 1: back to the debate between sa Quon Barkley and Darius Guys,
Speaker 1: that'll be a fun one. S Quon Barkley, I can't
Speaker 1: help watching him and think, oh gosh, he's got a
Speaker 1: little Ladanian tomments too. I mean, he's a really good player.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Darius Geis could be a better
Speaker 1: player than four Nette and we'll have to see how
Speaker 1: that plays out. The runs so angry. He really looks
Speaker 1: pissed off when he hits the whole. It's great running blocking.
Speaker 1: I mean he really does. And so there's a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean, Derwin James, the safety from Florida State,
Speaker 1: how does he come back from his injury? He could
Speaker 1: be a top guy. Uh, Texas the long Horns. I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna make a comeback offensive tackle, Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: a lot of Jefferson Football the linebacker. So and then
Speaker 1: Alabama of course will be well represented with Minka Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: the corner safety. I think he has a chance to
Speaker 1: be a top ten pick. So there's plenty of talent
Speaker 1: for next year. A lot of us. Calvin Ridley, see
Speaker 1: he's draft eligible. He will be draft eligible. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he's a He's not in that. He's not in
Speaker 1: that kind of As a freshman, he looked like he
Speaker 1: was on that traject from what I was going to say,
Speaker 1: and then this past year, I don't know, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't take that next step in his development. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what he does as a junior if he can.
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a Day two player at
Speaker 1: this point, but we'll see. Was the top receivers next
Speaker 1: year on my list Christian kirk a and m and
Speaker 1: then a local kid, Sutton Uh from SMU. There you go, Hey,
Speaker 1: gotta keep gotta keep out small school guys to look
Speaker 1: forward to next Here we go. Any offensive tackles is
Speaker 1: with the with the offensive line group be better. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams from Tacky. We talked about Mitch Higatt from Clemson.
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown, Zeus's kid at Oklahoma. Wow. Uh, he's all
Speaker 1: every bit of three forty, so a huge kid, plenty
Speaker 1: of that offensive tackles will make a little bit of
Speaker 1: a comeback. And then of course have to talk about
Speaker 1: top edge rusher Lsu arden Key. Arden Key, He's about
Speaker 1: not on the team right now. But that's okay, forty
Speaker 1: pounds uh less than Miles Garrett Wade, but of course
Speaker 1: a little bit of it better of an athlete has
Speaker 1: some explosive way he can bend the corner. So what
Speaker 1: the lake there? All right? Well, that'll do it for
Speaker 1: the draft show for today and for the twenty seventeen draft.
Speaker 1: Once again, we appreciate everybody out there for this was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah it again. Thank you guys. I want to thank
Speaker 1: Dame Burglar, David Helm and you guys always make this fun. Well.
Speaker 1: I thank Kent Garrison as well for always keeping us
Speaker 1: on the air, Ed k Hill for creating us, Derek
Speaker 1: Eagleton for always believing that we can do this show
Speaker 1: anytime and it'll work out just fine. Uh. We'll be back,
Speaker 1: like I say, keeping keeping conduct. Hopefully this guy to
Speaker 1: my right, we'll be with an NFL team when we
Speaker 1: reconvened again. We hope that's my hope. But if not,
Speaker 1: they'll be in that chair with us. So for everybody
Speaker 1: out there, thanks again and we will see you in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen for the NFL Draft. Take care of