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How does a sixteen 11 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: year old girl end up dead in her own home? 12 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: And is the whole thing caught on a ring doorbell 13 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: security device? I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Crime 14 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. A sixteen year old girl dead 15 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: that's only four years older than my twins, John, David 16 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: and Lucy. And you think in your own home your 17 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: child is safe with this small Mississippi town is learning 18 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: another thing. First of all, take a listen to WLOX 19 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: news reporter John fits you. She was a beautiful young lady, 20 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: completely innocent of all these things that have happened to her. 21 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: She loved her music, and she loved her friends. She 22 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: had a big laugh, always enjoyed herself wherever she was. 23 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Her love of music is one of the things that 24 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: her cousin said he will always remember. It would do 25 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: this thing where we'd harmonize, and it was kind of 26 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: funny because we'd all harmonize at the same time and 27 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: we sing a song called Hey There, Delilah, and you know, 28 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: it just kind of like brought us together. Another of 29 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: Madison's passions was cooking. She loved the cook She loved 30 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: her spices. This recently she fixed me asteak and without 31 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: even thinking about it, I added pepper to it. That 32 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: was a mistake because she always had it spiced up. 33 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: Madison had told her grandparents she wanted to be an astronomer, 34 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: so they bought her a telescope for Christmas. But they 35 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: will never get to see if that was where her 36 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: passion would take her. She was a hard work or anything. 37 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: She said her mind too, she was a hard worker 38 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: at it gave her all. You were hearing our friend 39 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: at Wlox Knees, John Fiatz, you speaking with family members 40 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: of this young girl, Madison Harris. How does a girl 41 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: interested in music and cooking and astronomy, end up dead 42 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: in her own home. It's almost too much to take 43 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: in when you think of it this way. This young 44 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: girl just turned sixteen years old, a real homebody, even 45 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: being home schooled. With me an all star panel to 46 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. Derek Ellington, 47 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: certified fraud examiner, Mark Tate were now attorney out of Savannah. 48 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator 49 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Bobby Chaco, 50 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: former special agent FBI, screenwriter for Criminal Minds. Karen Stark, 51 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: New York Psychologists, joining us. She's at Karen Stark dot com, 52 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: but straight to Alexis Terreschuk joining US investigative reporter Crime 53 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: Online dot com. This girl, Madison Harris, sixteen years old 54 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: sounds like every parent's dream, you know, Alexis. Just last night, 55 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: since all of us have been on lockdown, Lucy is baking. 56 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: I wish I could teach her how to cook supper, 57 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: but she's baking. She makes banana bread, she makes cake 58 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: in a cup, She makes all sorts of simple recipes. 59 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: And then the other night Alexis. She got an apple, 60 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: wait for it, and she peeled it. She just cut 61 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: it just so, not peeled it. She cut it to 62 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: where it looked a thin slice of apple with a 63 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: tip of red peel on the edge. And she made 64 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: a flower out of it, like twelve flowers and then 65 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: drizzle caramel sauce on them. She's twelve. And to think 66 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: that this girl Madison was all into cooking and baking 67 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: and surprising people with her recipes. She's dead. She didn't 68 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: even leave her home. Alexis did not even leave her home. 69 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: Hold on, Alexis. Let me go to Karen start Karen 70 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: Stark dot com. Renowned psychologists joining us out of the 71 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: New York jurisdiction. Karen, we think of people getting gunned 72 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: down on the street and a dope deal, or they're mugged, 73 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: or they're killed by a dui. But how often do 74 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: you think of a little girl getting killed in her 75 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: own home. It's so it's sad and outrageous. Nancy, think 76 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: about the parents, Think about her family that are still there, 77 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: still in that home. They lost it used to a 78 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: child dying before you. And here we are in the situation. 79 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: It happened in her own home where she's supposed to 80 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: be safe and protected. And apparently what we're learning is 81 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: a lot of evidence was captured on a ring doorbell 82 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: Dear Ellington. For Christmas, I think it was two years 83 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: ago or birthday. Birthday, I gave my husband ring doorbells. 84 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: I kind of always give him something that I want 85 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: for the house, and so we got ring doorbells. They're incredible. 86 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: I love them because when the doorbell rings, the picture 87 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: a video actually of who's at the door pops up 88 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: on your phone. And when I have to travel for work, 89 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: I can actually log into the ring and see what's 90 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: happening at the doors. How does the ring technology work well? 91 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: And they are. They're an incredible tool and they can 92 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: be an incredible source of comfort and security when you 93 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: have them around your house. And basically, like any type 94 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: of smart device, it's always watching, it's always monitoring, and 95 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: when there's emotion detected or something like that, it can 96 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: alert you. It records the video of whatever's going on 97 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: and an obside that you can access and then when 98 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: there is a problem, you can go back and pull 99 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: that video and law enforcement or investigators like us can 100 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: use it. It's it's an incredibly powerful tool. It's incredibly comforting, 101 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: but it's not without challenges. It's not without security questions 102 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's it's it's kind of 103 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: a double edged sword. As you'd say, Alexis Terres shut 104 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: crime online dot Com inst to get a reporter. What 105 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: we are learning is that in this small town, Mississippi 106 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: town it's Biloxi, there was a home invasion while a 107 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: little girl is at home. And I just finished writing 108 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim, Finding Back against America's Crime Wave, 109 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: and one of the chapters it got to be very extensive, 110 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: was about being safe in your own home. Is about 111 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: being safe in your own home, and it includes home invasions, 112 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: and we don't expect it to happen, especially when you're 113 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: in a rural or suburban neighborhood. A home invasion even 114 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: when the doors are locked. I'm understanding that Alexis Terres Chuck, 115 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: this was a home invasion and the sixteen year old 116 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: girl was home. Let me ask you that narrow question, 117 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: is that what happened? Yes, that is exactly what happened. 118 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: To Bobby Chico, former special agent FBI screenwriter Criminal Minds. 119 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't think a home invasion is 120 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: going to happen in their neighborhood. But the examples I've 121 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: given the book Don't Be a Victim are nice neighborhoods. 122 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: One is down on the Panhandle with a huge family 123 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: that I think they had a car lot, they had 124 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: several businesses. I mean, it was a very low crime area. 125 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: And I cited several other examples of home invasions all 126 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: in residential areas. They're more common than people think. Bobbych 127 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: Con well, sure, I mean the criminals that conduct these 128 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: kind of crimes are looking for, you high value items 129 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: to steal, right, so they're going into you know, if 130 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: they're going to forcibly enter a home that's a high 131 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: risk activity, they're going to do it for a high payoff. 132 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: And that means that they're going into homes that they 133 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: feel have higher end electronics, higher and jewelry things like that. 134 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: And so yeah, we do find home invasions happen typically 135 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: in nicer neighborhoods, more expensive homes and things like that, 136 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: because it's a higher risk but also a higher reward. 137 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: And that's what we think happened to mass and Harris 138 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: is sixteen years old. Shot dead and her grandmother's home, 139 00:09:47,360 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Buloxee on a Monday afternoon Broad Daylight Crime Stories with 140 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, did doorbell home security video show suspects leaving 141 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: the home of a teenage girl following an alleged robbery 142 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: turned murder and this happens in broad daylight? Straight Out 143 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, an 144 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joe Scott, 145 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: you have seen literally thousands of crime scenes, as have I. 146 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: You're a death investigator. Every crime scene you went to, 147 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: unlike me, was a death, a murder. What do you 148 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: think about a home invasion where a sixteen year old 149 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: girl is shot dead in her grandma's time, that's where 150 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: she lived. I find that very unusual. It is Nancy 151 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: and I see. One of the things that really comes 152 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: to mind is why would this level of force need 153 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: to be used against a sixteen year old girl. I 154 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: think that that is something that really goes to the 155 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: heart of the matter. Here are we talking about an 156 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: experienced criminal. I'm reflecting back what Bobby was saying just 157 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: a moment ago. Motivations for going into the home and 158 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: this sort of thing. But you know what an experience 159 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: criminal actually go in and try to literally strong arm 160 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: rob at gunpoint a sixteen year old girl. It sounds 161 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: like there's more here than just simply kidding. Joe Scott, 162 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: you are not kidding, because think about it. I mean, 163 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, there's a really good example of this. Do 164 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: you remember our Belenda Temple in Texas who was I 165 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: guess eight months pregnant, had one child. The husband was 166 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: the football star and coach the local football team. She 167 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: ends up she's found cowering dead in the closet of 168 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: the master bedroom. And you think, why if someone comes 169 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: into burgle to steal stuff, why do you have to 170 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: kill the witness? Because in my experience, to Mark Tay, 171 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: you're the lawyer out of Savannah, typically when a burglar 172 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: comes in and they realize somebody's home, they leave right. 173 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: They don't want to kill anybody, they don't want to shooting, 174 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: they leave. That is my experience having a handle on 175 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: the low end ten thousand felonies for ten years. I mean, 176 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: burglar's leave jump in. Mark, I don't believe based upon 177 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: what this crime sounds like in the way it's been 178 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: described publicly, on numerous occasions that the motivation was to 179 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: go in and simply rob Madison of whatever she had. 180 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: As you know, there was a reported burglary at her home. 181 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: That laws for family to undertake some pretty good security 182 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: measures that bolting their windows, clothes and putting double side 183 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: and key only dead bolts on their doors and put 184 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: in up these cameras that in fact, I think the 185 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: prosecution is going to love here. Oh yeah, because they 186 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: totally tricked out the whole place. Alexis Terreschuk Crime online 187 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative journalist. A few weeks before the home invasion, 188 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: there had apparently been a burglary, and let's follow up, 189 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: I want Mark Tay, lawyer out of Savannah, Georgia, has 190 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: just said that after that burglary, which they reported to 191 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: the police, they totally tricked out the house. What did 192 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: they do to protect themselves? Well, they installed the ring camera. 193 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: They installed it on a couple of doors. You can 194 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: have it on wherever you want, and they have to 195 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: be just the front door. They put it on the 196 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: cardboard as well. The door at the cardboard they both 197 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: side as well, and they put in the as you said, 198 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: the dead bolt to the double locks so they were 199 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: really trying to lock this house down because they were 200 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: very afraid after the break in, and that they didn't 201 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: feel like the people were finished. They felt like they 202 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: were going to come back and they wanted to stop that. 203 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting and the psychopathy behind this, this 204 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: home invasion that turned deadly, gunning down a sixteen year 205 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: old little girl in the home. It's my understanding and 206 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: Alexa's correct me if I'm wrong that the dad was 207 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: actually in the backyard, raking Leaves. This was on a 208 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: Monday afternoon, broad daylight. Do I have my day's right, 209 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: Alexis Rustchuck, Yes, it was Monday. It was a Monday afternoon. 210 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: It was one forty eight is when the police got 211 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: the phone call and dad was in the backyard and 212 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: her friend, another friend was over. Bobby Chicone from our 213 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: special Agian FBI, I don't get it. And also earlier 214 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I think it was said, the level 215 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: of force you use on a team girl just for 216 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: a robbery, why do you have to kill her? And 217 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: my theory as it was, and they Belenda temple murder 218 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: was she's not rapeed, she's not sex assaulted. Nothing is stolen. 219 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: She had to be killed because she knew the perpetrator. 220 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: What about that, Bobby Chicone, Well, that's my theory too. 221 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: I might agree with you with you, and I think 222 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: that one of her family members actually told this to 223 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: the media. I think that that when you see one 224 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: of the suspects went in about thirty minutes earlier, and 225 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: then four additional suspects came in and within ten seconds, 226 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: he says, on the video of those four entering the house, 227 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: the shots are heard on the ring doorbell. So just 228 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: like that, it doesn't see It's like this was a targeted, 229 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: premeditated act of going in there and shooting this young girl. 230 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: What do you make of the brazen nature of this? 231 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: It's broad daylight and dad is right there in the backyard, 232 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Ray King leaves. What about at Joseph Scott Morgan, Yeah, 233 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean the boldness that's associated with this, because obviously 234 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: these individuals had to have an awareness that there were 235 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: other people present at the home. What's the driver behind 236 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: this psychologically where you've got people that would show up again, 237 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: I have to emphasize this sixteen year old child's home 238 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: with a firearm in hand, and not only that they're 239 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: apparently coming in forced. Nancy. It's not just one person 240 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: showing up at the house. So this gives us an 241 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: indication that they came armed, they came prepared for violence 242 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: and to do violence to this little girl with dad 243 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: in the backyard Raking Leaves, you know, to Karen Stark, 244 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: that's something that sticks in my mind. It sticks in 245 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: your mind. You know. I always attached to these little 246 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: tidbits or fragments of a crime because I remember when 247 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: my fiancee was murdered. I waved goodbye to him that morning, 248 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: and I went to school to take a statistics exam 249 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: and at the time he was murdered, I was in 250 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: that exam and this dad, it's going to forever. Remember 251 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: I was just right outside Raking Leaves, but my daughter 252 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: was murdered inside. And you turn it over and over 253 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 1: in your mind trying to think, was there something I 254 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: should have done, I could have done differently, and somehow 255 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: this wouldn't have happened. And I know that's what that 256 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: dad is thinking right now, absolutely thinking that he should 257 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: have been able to do something, Nancy, And that's what happened, 258 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: exactly what you're describing. You don't even it's not just 259 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: that you're saying you took an exam, but it was statistics. 260 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: That kind of specific memory really has to do with trauma. 261 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: You associate every single thing that happened, and it's very 262 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: very normal to blame yourself and think, even when it 263 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: makes no sense, I should have been able to do something, 264 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: I should have been able to help. And here he is. 265 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: He's actually there right outside raking leaves and he will 266 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: never get over the fact that that happened to him. 267 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: I just hate it so much for the dad, for 268 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: the family, because you think in your home that that's 269 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: where your children are the safest, and you don't imagine 270 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: that somehow, while you're right there at home, someone will 271 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: invade your home and murder your child. Alexis Terrestria just 272 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: a yes, no, was Madison sex assaulted or was there 273 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: actually a robbery? Did they actually take anything? She was 274 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: not sex assaulted. It was so fast, it was literally 275 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: under a minute that these criminals came into aled criminals 276 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: came into the house and shot and killed her and 277 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: nothing was taken. And there go your two main motives 278 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: for a burglary on ault or a theft crime. Stories 279 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace guys, we were talking about the death 280 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: of a sixteen year old little girl in her own home. 281 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Now brace yourself. Take a listen to our friend at 282 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: wlo X News. This is John Fitzhugh. Waldeck said some 283 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: of those charged were once considered friends. They were in 284 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: our house I thought as friends a number of different times. Yes, 285 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: they just lived two or three houses down and across 286 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: the street. But Waldeck said something had changed. We think 287 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: they were involved in a burglary at the house two 288 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Of course, the police were called and we 289 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: were pressing charges against that first crime, and we're afraid 290 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: that this may have been retaliation against us reporting their crime. 291 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: After the burglary, Harris's family was worried about another break 292 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: in and took special precautions. We screwed the window shut 293 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: so he couldn't get in there, and put dead bolts 294 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: on the doors. Said that they had to be locked 295 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: with a key to get Anne were out, but the 296 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: cardboard door was unlocked. We are talking about the death 297 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: of a sixteen year old little girl. Is it true 298 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: that the killers were her friends? Take a listen again 299 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: to WLOX John Fitzhugh. Madison. Harris had been living with 300 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: her grandparents for four years after her parents had divorced. 301 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: James Waldeck, who was engaged to her grandmother, said the 302 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: family is struggling with grief after the shooting that took 303 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Madison away from them. Waldeck said he learned something was 304 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: wrong when his ring doorbell app showed an ambulance at 305 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: their home. He said the camera at the garage door 306 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: revealed much more about what happened inside his home. Madison 307 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: was here and her very good friend Paul and her 308 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: dad was in the backyard raking leaves, and one girl 309 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: came in. I saw on ring doorbell about a half 310 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: hour before, and then according to my ring doorbell, four 311 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: of them charged in an unlocked door here to carport 312 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: and within a mount of ten seconds to shooting and screaming, 313 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: and then them running out the door being chased by Paul, 314 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: her friend and then her dad. You know, it's almost 315 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: too much to take in to Alexis Urez Chuck Crime 316 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis so he doesn't realize 317 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: anything is wrong, James Waltcheck until he hopped us to 318 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: look down in his ring and see an ambulance at 319 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: his home. Exactly he got. That's overwhelming. Tell me what 320 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: you understand happened, Alexis. So, Madison is home. She and 321 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: her friend Paul are in the house. Dad is out 322 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: in the backyard raking. So Monday afternoon, one of her 323 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, one of her friends, comes over, and another girl, 324 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: a teenage girl, she comes in the house. A little 325 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: while later, four other teams come in. It doesn't trigger 326 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: anything that Dad's not running inside or calling the police 327 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: or anything. But then within ten seconds of their now 328 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: being five new friends in the house, they're screaming, they're shouting, 329 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: and Madison is shot with the guns. And then these 330 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: teams run out of the house, and this is seen 331 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: on the ring camera. The ring camera captures. It doesn't 332 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: film forever and ever and ever, but when there is 333 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: motion detected, its films for thirty seconds or a minute. 334 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: And so it caught all of this because it happened 335 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: so quickly. And so Madison's friend actually calls nine to 336 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: one one. He calls and says, please come, there's been 337 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: a medical emergency, and the police, the ambulance comes, and 338 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: this is what her grand her grandmother's boyfriend fiance sees 339 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: it on the camera. He lived there with them, and 340 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: he sees that the ambulance is there, and then he 341 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: realizes that something's happened. So the police get there, the 342 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: EMPs get there, they kick Madison, they rushed her to 343 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: the hospital, and then it's there at the hospital they're 344 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: performing surgery on her, desperately trying to save her life, 345 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: and it's at the hospital that she died. Dude, Joseph S. 346 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: Goot Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State and Death Investigator, what 347 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: do we know about her injuries? Well, Nancy, uh, this 348 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: this young girl was literally shot in the hip. And 349 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: when people hear hip they think that it doesn't sound definitely, no, 350 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't. And people think that, well, that's just the 351 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: upper leg. Listen artery. Yeah, it's one of the most 352 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: complex skeletal structures in the body. You've got all these 353 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: odd shaped bones. We've got the joint where the actual 354 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: femur goes in there, We've got the pelvis or the 355 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: pelvitt This is not the Indy five hundred. Slow down, brother, 356 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: what did you just say? Slow down? I'm just a 357 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: jd Okay, Yes, start at the beginning. What happened to her? Well, 358 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: she was shot there was apparently some kind of altercation 359 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: that went on in the room. Oh yeah, they home 360 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: invaded and shot or that's the altercation. She's mining her 361 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: own business in her room. Yes, And apparently during this 362 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: altercation that's ongoing, one of the subjects was holding the firearm. 363 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: The firearm discharged, striking her in the hip. Now as 364 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: they try to get her to the hospital, she's obviously 365 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: bleeding out Wendy's And I've seen this countless numbers of times, Namecy, 366 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: with people that are shot in the pelvic area. When 367 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: these rounds, these projectiles go through these odd structures, they 368 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: literally fragment and shattered this bone and it splinters off 369 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: in a variety of directions. But the bottom line is 370 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: the bone or the bullet splinters off. Both can, both can, 371 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: but particularly the bone. The bone literally becomes little bony 372 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: shards or little fragments okay, shrapnel almost if you will, 373 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: and it will pierce the little vessels that are just 374 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: integrated throughout the pelvic girl. And when the surgeon gets 375 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: in there, Nancy, they have a devil of the time 376 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: trying to determine the origin of the bleeding. They have 377 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: to work like mad because all the while can you 378 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: imagine this all the while they're trying to save this 379 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: kid's life or BP is dropping on the table and 380 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: blood is seeking out everywhere, and there's no way that 381 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: they can stem at many times. Okay, that was a 382 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: lot to take him. Let me understand this. So she's 383 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: shot in the hip. Do we know the caliber? I 384 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: do not know the caliber, Nancy. She's shot in the hip, 385 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: and that does make a difference, because if you've got 386 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: a twenty two, maybe not as much damage, depending upon 387 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: how far back you are. If you're talking about a 388 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: different type of ammunition or a high powered gun like 389 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: a glock or nine, you have a whole a mushroom bullet. 390 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you have a whole range of potential harm 391 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: done to this child. But you keep saying how serious 392 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: it is if she's shot in the hip or pelvic 393 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: region of Why. Well, the reason is that there's just 394 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: if people can just imagine a network of these little vessels, 395 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: and there's countless of them, including one major one, the 396 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: Femberle that you mentioned just a moment ago, where well 397 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: it runs along the inside of the thigh and actually 398 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: there's what is there's actually what's referred to as a 399 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: for Rayman. It's a it's a medical term for a 400 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: hole in the pelvis where it kind of leaches back 401 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: up through the top of the pelvis and goes into 402 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: the A order, which is the largest vessel in the 403 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: body that comes off of the heart. So that vessel 404 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: itself is supplying the total I mean the totality of 405 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: the lower body with oxygenated blood. And when you clip 406 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: that vessel, When you clip that vessel, it's got a 407 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of pressure on it, and it's the heart's 408 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: just pumping out volumes of blood everywhere the hip is 409 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: filling up. That area, in that area where the surgeon 410 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: is trying to stem this bleeding is filling up, and 411 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: that's why it's so difficult, particularly if the bonus fragmented 412 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: and it's clipped other little vessels. It's an absolute medical nightmare. 413 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: I would compare the femoral artery to the jugular up 414 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: below your chin and your neck as to the in 415 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: a sense that it's pumping blood. These are your main arteries, 416 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: and if you slice one of these arteries, you're dead. 417 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: That's just all there is to it. If you slice 418 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: the federal artery. But they try to save or how 419 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: would you even try to save a slice to the 420 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: federal artery, Joe Scott, how do you even do that? Well, 421 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, they have to make a rather large incision 422 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: in this area because, like I was talking about, Nancy, 423 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: there's so many vessels that are involved in this area. Literally, 424 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: this is the scary thing. Literally, while they are attempting 425 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: to stem the flow, they're having to do an exploratory 426 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: surgery here to determine what vessels have been affected. Obviously, 427 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: the first when you want to go to is inspect. 428 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: Inspect a continuity or the integrity of the femoral artery, 429 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: if it's if it's got clipped anywhere along the way, 430 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: if it's got a little defect in it, you try 431 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: to tie that off as quickly as you can. But 432 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: all the while, if again the bone has fragmented, you've 433 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 1: got these other little vessels that are also springing blood 434 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: all over the place. That's why this is such a 435 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: hellish have a chance that ambulance pulls up to try 436 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: to rush it to the hospital, but with a punctured 437 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: femoral artery, Madison didn't have a chance. Crime stories with 438 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Why does a sixteen year old girl die 439 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: in her own home bleeding out. I think I listen 440 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: to our friend at wk RG and NEUS five reporter 441 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: Brianna hollis their heartbro game. But it only does seem 442 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: to be shock over anything else right now, because those 443 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: family members say they have seen these suspects in their 444 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: house before they were in our house. I thought as 445 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: friends a number of different times. Yes, they just lived 446 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: two or three houses down and across the street. But 447 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: when those five teens came over on February twenty four, 448 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: it went much differently. They left in handcuffs. Sixteen year 449 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: old Madison Harris left for dead. James Waldeck, who was 450 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: engaged to Harris's grandmother, says he found out something was 451 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: wrong when he got an alert on his ring doorbell, 452 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: charged him an unlocked door here to carport and with 453 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: an amount of ten seconds to shooting and screaming and 454 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: then them running out the door. These are the five suspects, 455 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: Yakishia Blackman and Joquas Porter. They're all between fifteen and 456 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: seventeen years old. We think they were involved in a 457 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: burglary at the house two weeks ago. While Deck reported 458 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: the crime to police and he thinks Monday's violence may 459 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: have been in response to that, and we're afraid that 460 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: this may have been retaliation against us reporting their crime, 461 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: retaliation for reporting a burglary. You are hearing the fiance, 462 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: the grandma's fiance. That's where she's living, Jane Waltchick talking. 463 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: He first learned there's something wrong because he sees an 464 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: ambulance at his home on his ring set on a 465 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: cell phone. Alexis Urez Chuck. These are all juveniles that 466 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: she thought were her friends. Is that correct, Alexis, Yes, 467 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: that's why these kids were there. These were friends of her. 468 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: She also had her other friend, Paul, who was in 469 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: the house at the same time. They all knew each other, 470 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: and so then coming in seeing your friends perhaps wasn't 471 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: as scary as it would have been if it was 472 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: five people that you didn't know. What did they want, Alexis, 473 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: What did they want to steal? Well, it seemed like 474 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: that they when the kids were arrested, When all these 475 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: teenagers were arrested, they told the police themselves that they 476 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: wanted to steal marijuana from her. So they think this 477 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: little girl may have marijuana. They come into the home, 478 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: they don't get anything, All this over nothing. There's nothing 479 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: like that there, and now the little girl is dead. 480 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: So these five teams desperate to find dope breaking a home. 481 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: There's nothing there in this subdivision with dad in the 482 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: backyard raking leaves, and there's nothing for them to steal 483 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: if that's what they want. These are friends of the 484 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: little girl, you know, Karen Start, You've heard me say 485 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: many many times that sometimes I would be more concerned 486 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: about what a juvenile would do as opposed to an adult, 487 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: because I don't think the juveniles get the consequences of 488 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: pulling that trigger, and then the persons didn't. That's right, 489 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: they don't get the consequences. Their brains are not fully developed, 490 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: so morally they don't make those kind of decisions. They're 491 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: not Why think about it, five people supposedly break into 492 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: that house for the sake of stealing marijuana? Why five? 493 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: To begin with? Why? Violence like that? A gun? None 494 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: of that makes a lot of sense. And what they 495 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: have done something like that if they actually understood that 496 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: they would be killing someone and the consequences of what 497 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: that would do, and they I doubt it. I doubt 498 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: that they could think that through. None of it makes sense. 499 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: And Mark Tate lawyer trial lawyer joining me out of 500 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Savannah at Tate Lawgroup dot com. The reality is this, 501 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: with a case like this, they're going to be bound over. 502 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: This is what we call one of the seven deadly 503 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: far different from these seven deadly sins and Canterbury tales. 504 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: It's like slaw grade prod lust, gluttony, jealousy and anger. Well, 505 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: I can't believe we got all seven. The seven deadlies 506 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: in the Criminal Code are murder, rape, sodomy, aggravated assault, 507 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: child molestation, arson, and did I say I'm driving? Ah, 508 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: thank you kidnapping, So it's gotta thank you Mark Tate. 509 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: So it's a very very different interpretation when you're talking 510 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: about the seven deadlies under the law. Those seven deadlies 511 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: are DFA's designated felonies under the Designated Felony Act, which 512 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: means if a juvenile commits one of those, they are 513 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: almost immediately bound over to adult court. There's no discussion. 514 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: In fact, there has to be a be hearing if 515 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: they're not going to be treated as adults. So while 516 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: Karen start in her Ivory Tower in Manhattan, somewhere in 517 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: her posh pad and a high rise is talking about 518 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing. They're seventeen years old. 519 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: They knew you had a pull a trigger. And this 520 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: little girl is dead. She didn't have any marijuana. She's 521 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: in there baking cookies for Pete's sake. It wouldn't matter 522 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: if she did have no, it wouldn't It would not matter. 523 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: Mark Tait the right. So, in my mind, seventeen years 524 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: old is not so. Yes, of course their brains aren't 525 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: done forming. But they had a gun. You know, my 526 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: dad was a Marine Corps drill instructor and I had 527 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: a rifle in my hands when I was six years old, 528 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: and the very first thing I ever learned is you 529 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: never point a gun at anything that you do not 530 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: want to be dead. And these kids either knew or 531 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: should have known that, and they didn't care. I don't 532 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: think this is a matter of not understanding for these people. 533 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 1: It is a eason horrific, horrible attack. And I think 534 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: this was a revenge tactic undertaken by thug kids who 535 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: falsely befriended this poor girl, and when she started raising 536 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: Kane about the previous robbery of the house, burglary of 537 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: the house. Rather, I think these kids were connected to it, 538 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: and I think that's what the investigation is going to 539 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: bear out. And we all know that Mississippi loves the 540 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: death penalty, and I think the way this was carried 541 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: out demonstrates very clear in my mind, premeditation. They're not 542 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: going to get the DP. Mark. That's the only thing 543 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: I disagree with you on well, because under US Supreme 544 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 1: Court ruling eighteen and under, you cannot get the DP 545 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: in our country under eighteen, they're seventeen, but they can't 546 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: get life. Yeah, and my point was, yes, you're exactly right. 547 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: Month The point is, traditionally would be would be a 548 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: death penalty crime. Totally have so many young there are 549 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: so many relatives of this victim alife. Sometimes the death 550 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: penalty belonged them is heard because over the next twenty 551 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: years that will be appeals please for Clemens appeals out 552 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: the ying Yang. And you know what's heartbreaking, especially on this, 553 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: is that this girl is being homeschooled, so she doesn't 554 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: have all the school friends that a lot of children have, 555 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: a lot of teens have, and she thinks these teens 556 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: are her friends, and they befriend her the whole time. 557 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: Alexis Terres Chuck Crime online because they want to get 558 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: in the home. And I don't think they were looking 559 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: for pop. I think they had burglarized the home before, 560 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: and then the family reported the burglary and they came 561 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: back in to seek vengeance, in revenge, I think that's 562 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: what happened, Alexis Terreschuk, Well, I might actually disagree with you. 563 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: I think, okay, I think that they did want to marijuana. 564 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: They broke in the first time, they didn't get what 565 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: they wanted, and they came back a second time saying 566 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: to this girl, we know you're hiding it, and we're 567 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: gonna get it this time. And it seemed like there 568 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: was a scuffle. And I am not your whole young 569 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: innocent woman, but they Let me ask you a question, Alexis, 570 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: did they go into the home with a gun? No? 571 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: Where did the gun come from? So the gun came 572 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: from the friends who were in the at a window 573 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: outside and then pass the gun into the house. So no, 574 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: they didn't. Okay, let me rephrase my question, Alexis to 575 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: s Chuck. Once entering the home, did they get a 576 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: gun from the outside and bring it into the home. 577 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: Once the gun handed to them, can I break it 578 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: down any more? Simply for you, Yes, the gun was 579 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: handed to. Let me ask you another question, Alexis. And 580 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: again this is a yes no. This is what we 581 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: call cross examination, not direct for you launch into an 582 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: unrelated story, Alexis. Shurez, Chuck. Have you ever visited someone's 583 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: home then put your arm out in the window and 584 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: gotten a gun? Have you ever done that? That's a yes, no, no, good, 585 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: You're you're a tough little cookie. Long story short. They 586 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: come in looking for pot that they couldn't find the 587 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: first time, and they come back after that burglary was reported, 588 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: and now this girl is dead, her friends killed her, 589 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: Bobby chicin way in. So one of the suspects went 590 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: in thirty minutes before the other four came in. My 591 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: theory would be that they went in that first person 592 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: went in to either talk to her about testifying in 593 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: the previous burglary case or what she knew what she 594 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: intended to do. She probably texted back to the other 595 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: four saying she wasn't having much success talking her out 596 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: of you withdrawing the charges of the previous case. I 597 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: would look at that one's suspects texts and emails and 598 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: the other witness, Paul her friend who was there, witnessed 599 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: that conversation but few minutes something happened during those thirty 600 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: minutes that told the other four to come in and 601 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: within ten seconds kill that young girl. My theory is 602 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: that they tried to talk her out of or they 603 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: tried to get her withdraw the burglary charges and it 604 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: was unsuccessful, and then they decided to eliminate the witness. Wow, 605 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes Stories, signing 606 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: off Goodbye Fact