1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: The buddy with the regulator, who obviously had more money 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: than I did at that age, kid to pay for 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: my chicken sandwich. At the end of the day. I 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: get a phone call about ten o'clock that night. He said, 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: you got Google Maps. He said, yeah, sure, and he 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: says pull it up. He says, you see that line, 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: and immediately my heart sell up. One day, some red 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: actor a full K and a W D forty square temple. 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, I kind of feel bad for that kide. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: I sort of want to invest in Lizard Liquors. Good 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: mornings generate anglers. And welcome to Ben the Fishing podcast 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: that would love to be your co angler but conveniently 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: forgets its wallet when it's time to throw down half 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: of the tournament entry fee. I'm Joe Surmelie, and I'm 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: hating Sam Mack and Joe. I'll be your co angler anytime, 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: But you already you already know that I basically have 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: zero money to throw, but I'll split it six with 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: you if we win. Hey, there, you deal is a deal. Yeah, actually, 19 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: you say, I already know that we the collective we 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: listening already knows that we've been pretty vocal about your 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: lack of funds uh lately. But here's the thing, right, 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: people gonna think meat Eater isn't paying me, Well, that 23 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: is not the case. Again, I just like to point 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: out I'm very irresponsible with gear purchases. I wouldn't do 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: that to you anyway. I would never ask a poor 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: person to throw in money for a fishing tournament. Reason 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: being that there was a time when I was a 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: very very poor person and I did that. I threw 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: down and I regretted it deeply. Right because at six am, 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: you're sure you're gonna walk away significantly richer, like you 31 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: own that decision. You are fired up. But when the 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: day is over and you just got your ass completely beat, 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: you're dwelling on that money hard like you're upset. You know, 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I can relate it to. Man, 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: I know for certain that the ride to Atlantic City 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: is oftentimes significantly different than the ride back. Not to 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: be morbid, but like we I was just in Niagara 38 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Falls and they got all those casinos on the Canadian side. Now, like, boy, 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: that's a bad place to have a casino, like fifteen 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: steps away from Niagara Falls. So you know, we both know, 41 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't tournament fish, But I haven't really heard you 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: talk about it very much, do you. Yeah? No, no, no, 43 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: not really. In fact, just once in my life did 44 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: I fish a tournament where there was money on the line. 45 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: I fished a really fun bragging rights fly tournament years ago. 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: That's a great time. That's just beers and bullshit. But 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: I bought into an offshore at Turney one time, many 48 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: years ago, and I was I don't know, twenty two 49 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: or twenty three. So I threw in five hundred bucks, 50 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: which at the time, like that was half my annual salary, 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Um, But I didn't care, 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: like I felt like a badass. Like we went to 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: the captain's meeting. We had a plan, we're breaking the 54 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: inlet and my buddies regulator, but it was it was 55 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: just miserable out there, like people, there were guys on 56 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: the boat pukin. You know, one of those days you 57 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: had hang on for dear life. And we never touched 58 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: a fish, which meant the buddy with the regulator, who 59 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: obviously had more money than I did at that age, 60 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: like he had to pay for my chicken sandwich at 61 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: the end of the day. I had to. I had 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: to basically beg for dinner and it wasn't fun. Anybody. Yeah, 63 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: that's like some add some serious salt in the in 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: the old wound there. I mean to be honest, dude, 65 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: I've never this is just like personal hang up, but 66 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: I've never really understood like the allure of like competitive fishing. 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: Like you know, I've thought about it here and there. 68 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: You know, I was supposed to ender a bass tournament 69 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: one time with my dad, but you know, yeah, yeah, 70 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: it's it's not my thing either though. I mean, I 71 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: understand it perfectly, right, It's just that it doesn't do 72 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: anything for me. I fished to chill with friends, relax 73 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: and and have a good time. Um, immediately, we only 74 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: fish for food, man, yea, or or to supplement your 75 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: the elk in your freezer whatever. Um like that day 76 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: that I like that day that I fished that off 77 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: shore attorney, Um, you know, had it been a fun run, right, 78 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: we have never even opted to go out that day 79 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: in those conditions. You know, you're so like you're you're 80 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: putting yourself out there. It's already miserable and now there's 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: money on the line, and to be totally honest Um, 82 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: just shooting fishing videos adds a similar element of stress, 83 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: Like you're not entirely fishing just to catch fish anymore. 84 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: You're there to make a video, and when it's not 85 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: working out, it can be really stressful. Um, but I'm 86 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 1: getting paid for that no matter what. Right. So even 87 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: charter captains, if you think about it, you can have 88 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: ship days and and still get paid. But if you're 89 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: a professional tournament angler, it's another level. And while I 90 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: know I could never do it, while it's not my thing, 91 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: I have the utmost respect for the guys that can 92 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: do that. Oh yeah, man, you know, I I totally 93 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: respect somebody who can like consistently go and do that. 94 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: Like I Yeah, I'm not sure if I could handle 95 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: the pressure or not, But I think it's fair to 96 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: say that, like fans of competitive fishing, like bass fishing 97 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: in particular, don't fully grass what kind of pressure that is. 98 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, you tend to equate what you can 99 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: do on like the weekend. Like even if you're like 100 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: a pretty dialed hardcore angler who's like, you know, you 101 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: got your home lake dialed in, you're catching five pounders, 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: you're catching you know, the occasional six seven eight pounder 103 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: here and there. Uh, it's easy to equate that to 104 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: what the pros do on some level, but it's really 105 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: not like analogous. No, It's like, yeah, man, you might 106 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: be like the best basketball player in your pickup league, 107 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: but but like you get smoked in like a professional platform. 108 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: You know, their pro athletes and I don't know, man, 109 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: they just think differently. Yeah. No, And and now granted, right, 110 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the top level bass pros have other 111 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: sources of income. It's not like like the top tier 112 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: guys need to win to survive, but the root of 113 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: what they do is still competitive fishing. Everything else comes 114 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: from their ability to fish competitively. Yeah, a couple of losses, man, 115 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,559 Speaker 1: and like you know, your sponsorships start to dry up. Sure, 116 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: exactly something on the line exactly now, Whether you're a 117 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: fan of pro bass fishing or not, Um, I think 118 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: you're going to enjoy a very special smooth moves we've 119 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: cooked up um just for you. For the psychological aspect 120 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: of it, it's kind of like like drawing the curtain 121 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: back and exposing the less glamorous side of the sport. Yeah, man, um, 122 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this. Too, is like a means of 123 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: a little introductory uh, you know, preface. We recently got 124 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: to talk to elite pros Brandon Paul Nick and Carl 125 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Jocobson and and they were recently in Montana to record 126 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: the Mediator Podcast and we got to talk in a 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: little bit afterwards, and they were gracious enough to like 128 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: stick around to sit down with us for Smooth Moves 129 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: double feature. Uh, and you guys really want to hear 130 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: this one because it includes one of the most well 131 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: known smooth moves in all of fishing his street. Why 132 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: all right, So we're here with bass Master, Elite anglers 133 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: Brandon Politick and uh, Carl Jakobson and Joe. We're doing 134 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: like a little bit of a deviation on smooth moves. 135 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Do you care to explain? Yeah? I will. At first, 136 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: I gotta say I'm honored to have to have you 137 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: guys here, and I think it's it's only fair to 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: the Bent listener to explain how you're here. You are 139 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: in Bozeman for the big show, the Mediator Podcast, And 140 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: we were like, hey, wait one second before you guys leave, 141 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: just real quick, can we have you on Bent? So 142 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: I know you've already. It was the reverse of that, 143 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but no, I am. I am super 144 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: pumped that you guys are taking a little bit of 145 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: extra time for us. UM and I have not met 146 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: either of you guys personally though, Brandon I am, I'm 147 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm buddies with Oliver and I and we were just 148 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: fishing and talking about you. I I don't know if 149 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: I should name it right, but at a very specific 150 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: damn in Virginia? Does that does that ring about it? Yeah? 151 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: You guys are discussing, you're discussing that event and that 152 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: took place. And while we were discussing that, and I 153 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: was catching very very small stripers, Um, Oliver pulled like 154 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: a six and a half pounder right out from under 155 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: me at that place. So yeah, because that was after 156 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: the tournament, right, oh yeah, this was this was way 157 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: after the tournament. This was late September. But um, he 158 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this is the spot where Brandon just 159 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: destroyed right here. Um. And Carl, I mean, I think 160 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: we'd be remiss if we didn't mention that you are 161 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: the the first Australian to qualify for the Elite Series? 162 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yep? That's it? Yep. And I'm pumped 163 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: her here because and I can't fully explain this, but 164 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: believe it or not, VENT has a lot of Australian listeners, 165 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: which I don't fully get because I think the fishing 166 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: down there is cooler than here, Like I want to, 167 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: I'd rather be there catching a murray cod. But i'd 168 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: bet a bunch when we're gonna tune in. So, as 169 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: Hayden mentioned, smooth moves is normally where we have guides 170 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: and captains come on and tell the story about something 171 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous or funny that a client did. But seeing that 172 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: you guys fish for living, your tournament anglers, you're on 173 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: the road trailering boats all over, I figured we we 174 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: gotta get a smooth move from each of you. So hey, 175 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: and I don't think we care who goes first, right, 176 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that gives That gives a disadvantage to 177 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: somebody because it gives the other one more time to think. 178 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I can go because I'm in hands down. 179 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: I have probably like for me, I have one very 180 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: significant bone head move. And I won't go into all 181 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: the details because we're gonna trying to keep it shorter, right, 182 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: but this is will data back two thousand thirteen. I 183 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: am in a very tough position in my career where 184 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I've had a little bit of success, but still haven't 185 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: really fully broke out onto the tournament scene. Right I've 186 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: qualified for the Elite Series, I'm way down in the points, 187 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: not going to make our championship. And at that time, 188 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: we had win in your end. So if you won 189 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: a bass Master Lead Series event, you would qualify for 190 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: the bass Master Classic, which is our championship. And I 191 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: was way down the points, had to win an event. 192 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: We have three events left. Come into one of the 193 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: final events, I figure out a phenomenal smallmouth pattern on 194 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: the Mississippi River. Mhm. The tricky part with the Mississippi 195 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: River is it's winding, it's full of islands, and it's 196 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: a bordering water between Minnesota and Wisconsin. Sure date back 197 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: even further. I don't know what the exact date was, 198 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: but there was a law passed in Wisconsin that said 199 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to coal of fish. Once you put 200 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: it in the live will, you're not allowed to release 201 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: a fish. So when you put it in the live will, 202 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: you're done. That's it. You catch your five for the 203 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: tournament and you move on Minnesota, their state laws say 204 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: it on bordering waters. They just accept the most restrictive law. 205 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: So they accepted Wisconsin's law of not coaling. But our 206 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: tournament organization had a permit to be able to coal 207 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin waters, but because it wasn't a state law, 208 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Minnesota still said no coaling. So there's the ground rules 209 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: for what is about to happen. This is if you're 210 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: in the bass circles. This is a pretty famous smooth 211 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: move if you've if you have followed bass fishing, or 212 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: maybe if you're just a Minnesota slash Wisconsin resident, then 213 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: you might have heard this because some laws got changed. 214 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Uh So I'm, you know, way down the point. It's 215 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: gotta win. Figure out this amazing pattern. I go out 216 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: Day one, plan goes, you know, perfectly, flawlessly. I'm leading 217 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: the event. Day one, got a pretty sizeable lead and 218 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: away eighteen a half pounds on the Mississippi River, which 219 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: is a really big bag for there that time of year. 220 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: And Day two comes along and I'm catching all my 221 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: fish in the morning, we get a thunderstorm, we get 222 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: a delay. I roll out there worried that the that 223 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: bite window had passed, and I get out there, and 224 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: because of the cloud cover, everything just continued to work out. 225 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: It was like I was meant to win that event. Right. 226 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm fishing this area in what I assume 227 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: is Wisconsin, and I'm really have two main areas. There's 228 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: the main river channel and I'm fishing the main river channel. 229 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: Majority of the Mississippi River, the boundary between state lines 230 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: or county lines is the main river channel, you know, 231 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: the majority of that. That's how most rivers and lakes 232 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: and stuff are in the country. Well, I assumed I 233 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: was in Wisconsin. I moved in Minnesota to my other spot. 234 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: I catch five bass. Knowing that I cannot catch another 235 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: one in coal, I decided to leave it. I'll come 236 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: back to it on day three, Right, Like, why pressure 237 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: that area if I can't coal? Like, don't burn those fish. 238 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: So I moved back to the other side, the Wisconsin 239 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: side of the main river channel. I catch one more bass. 240 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: I let go my smallest one, and I cold. Because 241 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin we could call all is fine and dandy. 242 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: I go back. I weigh in. I have got an 243 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: even bigger bag than I have the first day, and 244 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: I've got a six pound lead going into day three. 245 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: So everything is setting up for me to win this event, 246 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: qualify for the Classic, and win a hundred thousand dollars. Great. 247 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: Two days left a piece of cake, Like I got 248 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: a six pound lead. I don't even have a Yeah, 249 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: I don't have to catch him as good as I 250 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: did the last two days. I can kind of just 251 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: slide by under the radar. And I get a phone 252 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: call about ten o'clock that night from our tournament director 253 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: from the organization, and he says, where are you fishing 254 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: in this area? And I said yes. He goes, did 255 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: you cool in this area? And I said yes, I 256 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: called one time. Uh, when I came back from Minnesota. 257 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: He said, you got Google Maps, you know, on hand. 258 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: I said yeah, sure, and he says, pull it up. 259 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: So I pulled up go to the area that we're 260 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: talking about, and he says, you see that state that 261 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: you see that line? And immediately my heart sunk. He like, 262 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: he like, really, they kind of walked you onto it, man. Yeah, well, 263 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I think just because he wanted to see, like because 264 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: they I don't know exactly how it got reported, right, 265 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: but from the way I understood it is that I 266 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: believe another angler or someone saw me fishing in this 267 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: area and said, hey, I believe he's fishing in Minnesota. 268 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: They didn't know whether I had cold in that area 269 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: or not, right, So I think they were trying to 270 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: understand and like what had happened so that they knew 271 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: how to proceed with, like what laws were broken or whatever. Right, 272 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean, like technically I didn't break any I guess, 273 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: but I did based on the tournament rules. And so, 274 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, instantly right when he said that, I realized 275 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: what that line was, and that line was the state line. 276 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, it comes out of the dam 277 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: um from Pool seven, runs down into Pool eight for 278 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: maybe a mile mile and a half and then decides 279 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: to divert from the main river channel and goes across 280 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: an island down into this back channel for about another 281 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: mile and then back out to the main river channel. 282 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: And that's and then the rest of the border is 283 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: the main river channel for as long as I can, 284 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, think of I'm sorry. So it goes into 285 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: this like inlet and like cuts down into the inlet 286 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: and then comes back out exactly so goes there's a 287 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: back channel, and it comes straight out of the main 288 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: river channel. Right. It runs through pool seven. I believe 289 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: the entire main river channels. The border comes down, goes 290 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: through the dam, runs another mile mile and a half 291 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: and then makes a forty five degree angle across land 292 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: to the back channel for another mile down the back channel, 293 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: and then back to the main river channel. And I 294 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: was a hundred feet, you know, give or take just 295 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: south of that place where it makes that forty five 296 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: degree angle, and you know, terminent director like has to 297 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: do what they have to do. They zero my weight 298 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: for that day, and that cost me a hundred thousand dollars, 299 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: cost me making the classic um you know, cost me 300 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: the hardware of the trophy. And that was a tough one, 301 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, and because when it all came down to it, 302 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: it was my own mistake, right, Like I didn't do 303 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: the homework to see where that state line was. I 304 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: just assumed that the you know border that water or 305 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: that border line was the main river channel. Yeah. I 306 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: mean obviously that could that cost you a lot, but 307 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: I think it's also just a great example, and you 308 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: see things like that happened all the time in hunting 309 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: and fishing, where it's an honest mistake, like you weren't 310 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: doing anything certainly devious. But I remember when this happened. 311 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: I was at fielding stream at the time, and while 312 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure privately you were fuming and like just losing it, 313 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: you were so praised for publicly just accepting that like 314 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: it happened and you owned it, and that That's what 315 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: I remember the most is how people said you took 316 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: that and sort of just said it happened and it 317 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: is what it is. But I'm sure, like you know, 318 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: and residents like, yeah, it was really bad. It still 319 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: was my bank account because I can still use that 320 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, And but I mean a lot of 321 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: good did come from it, and I mean I learned 322 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: a valuable lesson of any time we're in that situation 323 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: double triple checking. And then that law actually got rewritten 324 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: so that that doesn't happen now, because even in Wisconsin, 325 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: that law wasn't um specifically written for tournament anglers or 326 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: bass fishermen at all. It was written for salmon anglers 327 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: from a long, long time ago, and it was just 328 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: never revisited because that situation never occurred. And so now no, 329 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: it's uh, they created an up waring change. Well you 330 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean, you could either have like you know, 331 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: and it's very it's like super easy for me to 332 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: say this, like having being totally removed from that experience. 333 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: But on one hand, like you could have some additional 334 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: prize money attached to like a successful career, or you 335 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: could have like a legacy of like honesty attached to 336 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: your career, and you know, if it's more valuable. Yeah, 337 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: you know, I also have to say, uh, that that 338 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: is that is the most costly smooth move we've ever 339 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: had on here. I've had a lot of things breaking 340 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: stuff on guides, but I don't think any of it 341 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: cost anybody a hundred grands. So, uh, Carl, I've been 342 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: watching you that whole time. Have you have you been 343 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: thinking like you're like, I'm not watching you, Like have 344 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: you lost my key? Story? Like that's a hard one 345 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: to follow, man. Yeah, that's a tough one because that's 346 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: about as rough as it gets as a as a 347 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: pro angler. I've done, you know, a little similar things 348 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: like just recently let a fish guy that should have 349 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: been it was a fifteen inch limit. It was a 350 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: fourteen inch limit, and I was letting them go and 351 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: it was actually legal fish and it cost me you know, 352 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: three grand you know, in an open But story wise, 353 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: I think just I was thinking about like when on 354 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: that third day of Santi Cooper when I went through 355 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: all like stuff and prop to get back and then 356 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that was the biggest bonehead smooth move. 357 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah it last year Brandon and I went back and 358 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: forward at Santi Cooper and the bass Master Elites, and 359 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: like I was leading day one, he was second. Day two, 360 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: he's leading on second and so like it was just 361 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: awesome with like camp next to each other. We're both 362 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: like fishing kind of similar areas. We're both just cracking them, 363 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: and we'd figured out the pat and it was like 364 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: one of the funnest tournaments ever. But we both knew 365 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: like one of us is going to win this the 366 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: way it was figuring out. So day three roles in, 367 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: Brandon's back in the lead, and um, I go on 368 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: fish areas. I think I got one or two good ones, 369 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: and I run way back up in this creek that's 370 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: like super dangerous. There's just stumps everywhere. You can't um, 371 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: you can't run it. You have two idle in the 372 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: whole time you're idling, you're just running over logs, the 373 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: boats just up and down. Santi is famous for that, isn't. Yeah, 374 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: it's like one of the most like a prop killer. Yeah, 375 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: it takes, it takes. It takes lower units off every day. 376 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: It's bad. And so I go all the way back 377 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: into this area. Stuff's not working out. I catch like 378 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: my third one, and the weather and whatever was lining up. 379 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 1: It was tough fishing anyway, so I knew just like 380 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: catching four or five, I think I caught my fourth 381 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: and so I'm like, I need one more fish for 382 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: my fifth, and like I'm going to still be in 383 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: the hunt going into the final day to have a 384 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: shot to the wind. So it's all coming down to 385 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: the wire. I've had, Like didn't I have battery issues 386 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: or something? Battery ram flat for a couple of hours, 387 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: like all of this stuff. It was like one after 388 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: the other. After that, I was just like everything that 389 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: could go wrong was going wrong. But I battled through. 390 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: Now I got my fourth fish and I've had the 391 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: timing down perfect to leave this creek. I knew what 392 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: would take to get back. So I'm telling my cameraman 393 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: e k who's sort of famous in bass Master. Everyone's 394 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: had him fish with him. He's just well known and 395 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: I've put him through hell and back in some boat rides, 396 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: like he's been with me at chess Peak Bay. He's 397 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: had blood off, skin off all of his knuckles from 398 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: hanging on. He's like he's got stories with me where 399 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: he's like not not me again. And so like I'm 400 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: trying to look after e K and I'm like, man, 401 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna leave, like with seconds to go, and he's like, oh, 402 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: not again, this sort of thing. So I see this 403 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: point of grass and I'm like, we've got to go. 404 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm almost out of time. I could add five minutes 405 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: to go, and I put my foot down to try 406 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: and I was getting impatient trying to get to thing. 407 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: So I'm starting to run and the engine bang just 408 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: slams this log and I'm like, I'm not on pad. 409 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: It just drops off and I just run to the front, 410 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: put my trollermotor down and start fishing. And I don't 411 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: even check the engine. I'm just like I don't even care, 412 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: like I need my fifth to stay in it. And 413 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: I flip into this mat again, don't I set the hook? 414 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: I boat flip it. It's like a three and a 415 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: half pounder I throw it in. I'm like, yeah, your stuff, Ek, 416 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: We've got to go, and like we're going to be late. 417 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: So he's like getting his stuff and I start the 418 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: engine and I put my foot down and the prop 419 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: is fully bent so like it won't even get on pad. 420 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: The whole engine da da just shakes, won't even get 421 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: on pad. So ek like we're done. And I'm like 422 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: we're in this like swamp so you can't get out 423 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: of the boat. And I'm like, hell nos. I jumped back, 424 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: trim the engine up, I get the tools out, I 425 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: take my spare prop off. I'm leaning over the back 426 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: like k has got my feet and I'm like in 427 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: the water and I'm like I'm just taking this prop 428 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: off and like the split pin won't come out. I 429 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: get it out. I get the thing off, the props jammed, 430 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: I wedge it, the prop comes off. I put it back. 431 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: I put the new prop on, like screw the nut down, 432 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: and I had the other plate was underneath it so 433 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: the nut wouldn't go over the thread. So I've unthreaded 434 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: at taking the prop off, got that little winch bit 435 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: back and you know, times like ticking, like if every 436 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: minute you're late is one pound, and then after fifteen minutes, 437 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: you got your whole catch disqualified. So I'm like, I'm 438 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: thinking I'm done. And so but I've got an idol 439 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: out of this entire creek, and then through this stump 440 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: field that's just like the most dangerous thing you'll ever 441 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: go through, Like you no way you can run it. 442 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: And and I'd had one track that I idled it 443 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: and I never hit anything, and so I was always 444 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: taken that. But every now and again you would just 445 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: hit something. And so I get the I get the 446 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: prop off, I screw the nutdown, and like I'm trying 447 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: to put the split pin in and the split pin 448 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: won't go, and I just throw it in the boat 449 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: and I'm just like we've got no time. I jumped down. 450 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 1: I jump on pad and Ek looks at me, like 451 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: are you going to ride on pad? And I'm like 452 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: we've got to I'm like, well, I'm going to be late. 453 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: So I'm on pad. I'm like, hold on because we're 454 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: gonna like slam a log. So I'm just one running 455 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: on pad. And then we come through this stunt field 456 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: where there's both gripped and it's just waiting on the 457 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: whole lower unit to go, and I come out the 458 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: other side, nothing going, and I go flat out, wom fine. 459 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the time. I'm like, I'm like looking 460 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: at it and I'm trying to figure out the timing. 461 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: And I come to the this bridge and we jump 462 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: got off pad and we've got the main lake to go. 463 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: It's like a big main lake and it's probably how 464 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: many miles from the bridge to close to and it's wide. 465 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: It's just this big, open flat lake and it's known 466 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: for getting super rough. So I drop off Pad and 467 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm going under the bridge and I look and I'm 468 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: working it out, and I go, we're gonna make it 469 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: in any case, Like yeah, We're like high five and 470 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: fist bumping and we're like talking cloud nine and I 471 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: coming under the bridge and the boat's going up and 472 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: down and I like getting I'm like, oh man, it's 473 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: a bit rough. And I get the boat on pad 474 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: and it's like the lake is the roughest that I've 475 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: ever seen, like a lake in my life. Like Clark 476 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: when Lett said that, and he's been fishing for thirty 477 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: forty years, that it was the worst boat ride he's 478 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: ever had in his life. And so I start running 479 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: and like these are ginormous waves just coming down the lake, 480 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: and they got worse and worse and worse, and I 481 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: just kept my foot down. I was jumping too waves 482 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: at a time. It was I was spearing waves and 483 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: it was blowing rods from underneath my rod strapped down 484 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: into the console. There was just baits and lewis everywhere. 485 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: It was like one of the worst probably fifteen. It 486 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: was eighteen minutes I had to go. So it was 487 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: the worst seventeen minutes seconds of my life because I 488 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: came around the corner and e K told me I 489 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: turned into um Lieutenant dan off Forest. Come, you know 490 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: when he's on the front of waters. Come And he's like, 491 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: is that all you got? I came around the corner 492 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: and I was just screaming. When we come around, I 493 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: jumped off pad and I made it in with five 494 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: seconds to go, and then piped rand and I was 495 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: in first and he was in second going into the 496 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: final day. But just that and like we landed and 497 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: like I looked like I've seen a ghost. E K 498 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: looked like he just never wanted to fish again. And 499 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: I had rods everywhere. There was Lewis e k was 500 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: stuck to the seat because Lewis were like in his 501 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: pants and in the seat. He couldn't stand up because 502 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: Lewis had calmed down and his fate was stuck to 503 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: the ground as he filmed with you again since he 504 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: actually has but he's forgiven me. That was on Santee 505 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: Kopa and then that's Brandon one and I come second. 506 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: Right in the video show, he was gonna say, if 507 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: listeners are interested, h b MP fishing. Uh, you guys 508 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: put together like kind of like a day in the 509 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: life sort of doc about that tournament, right, Yeah, we 510 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: I've filmed every Elite Series event for the last five years, 511 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: so that event is one of them that is on there, 512 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: and it's actually probably my favorite one just because of 513 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: like all the off the water stuff, like that camaraderie, 514 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: right of like the black rifle, coffee chuck. That's a 515 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: whole another story of how amped up I was when 516 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: I got up there. But just the fact that like 517 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: you're competing at the highest level with one of your 518 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: best friends, you know, like you're competing against each other, 519 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: but at the same time, like we're camped right next 520 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: to each other eating dinner at night together like that. 521 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: It made it just such a cool event. And that's 522 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: one of my favorite videos, dude. I mean these these 523 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: were both legendary stories. I think the overriding message though, like, um, 524 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, there there's so many bass fishermen out there 525 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: that want to do what you guys do. They idolize you, 526 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: they think they can do that, they want to pursue that. 527 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: But it's funny listening to these stories. It's like a 528 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 1: miscalculation for the average guy might be a ticket maybe, 529 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, a banged up prop for the average guy 530 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: might just be a ruined ay. I feel like the 531 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: things you're talking about here are the things that those 532 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: guys might not consider. Where these these things that would 533 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: not have that much significance to a guy who just 534 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: enjoys bass fishing, like that can be the difference between 535 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: serious money for you guys. And I can't imagine what 536 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: that pressure is like in those situations changing yeah yeah, yeah, 537 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: but yet we still make smooth move and and thank 538 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: you so much for for taking the time and coming 539 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: on and uh, I think it's one of my favorite 540 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: smooth moves ever. Joe, me too, Me too. I appreciate 541 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: you guys taking the extra time. Man, we cannot thank 542 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,239 Speaker 1: Brandon and Carl enough for chatting with us. They are 543 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: extremely cool dudes, and we're we're honored to have them. Um. 544 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: We hope you guys enjoyed that that little extended play there. Uh. 545 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: And you know what us we're honored to have. Uh. 546 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: Thirteen Fishing is our sponsor. Damn skippy, And I know 547 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: it's cold season for a lot of you, but there 548 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: is still time to ask Santa for an inception or 549 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: inception sc bait caster from thirteen. I'm talking to you 550 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: bass fans. What's the difference between those two? Uh? The 551 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: s C is screaming shar Truss. The other is gray. 552 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: That's it. No, No, I'm kidding. The SC also has 553 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: uh like juiced up spool bearings and what they call 554 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: ocean armor to make it a bit more salt friendly. Um, 555 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: the SC has a little more tech in it. But 556 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: they are both badass reels. I have tortured my SC. 557 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: Uh just just tortured the thing. Great real you know. 558 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of torture, it is now time to torture our 559 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: listeners with whatever shitty story Joe dug up for this 560 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: week's edition of fish News, fish News that escalated quickly, 561 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: so we were lucky enough to get a few high 562 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: level pro anglers on the show today. Um, but I 563 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: hope you guys aren't forgetting about another pro angler buddy 564 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: of ours, Ja Siemens. And of course Jay isn't. He's 565 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: not attorney pro, but he's a pro in my eyes. 566 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: And the third installment of his new series, The Canadian 567 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: Angle drops today on Mediata's YouTube channel, and he's actually 568 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: teaming up with may Amigo, Oliver and I and doing 569 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: a little small jaw fishing. And I recommend that you 570 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: watch that. Yeah, I love that dude, And uh, you know, 571 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: while we're on it, if you missed last week's episode, 572 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: go back to check that out. To be super good man, 573 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: you and I have been talking about my dream trip 574 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: would be like remote Wallye. There's not a ton of 575 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: pressure in a bunch of eater size fish. Well that's 576 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: exactly what Jay goes out and does. He gets dropped 577 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: off by a float plane on on like a remote 578 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: shield lake and he camps out with like minimal gear 579 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: and just like rails on Walleye from from like a 580 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: doss boat. Like he even mentioned he's like This is 581 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: like doss Boat Season two. At first he has to 582 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: check to make sure it floats. But I know, I 583 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: know that's kind of your dream. That's why I knew 584 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: you would dig that. Um there were some big pike 585 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: in that lake too. It's all, it's all very cool stuff. 586 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: And JA just has cool friends, right, Like I can't 587 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: get most of my friends to invite me out offshore 588 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: fishing for a day. And like he's got a pilot 589 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: buddy with a float plane that will just drop him 590 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: off in remote places. So like that's how you do 591 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: it good. We can take my float plane out any time. Man. Uh, 592 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm joking, of course, but like I've wonder stop it, 593 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: you just knock it off. Man. I do wonder though, 594 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: like what that dynamics? Like? Do you chip in in 595 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: the same way that you might for boat gas, oh, 596 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: for plaining fuel? You mean, I have no idea. I 597 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: don't have friends that fly. I don't know. We should 598 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: ask you how that works. Uh. Speaking of how things work, 599 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: there is one thing I can summit succinctly for you, 600 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: and that's how fish news works. You like that, do? Yeah? Um? 601 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: Now we had a special report last week, but now 602 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: things are back to normal, Joe, and I do not 603 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: know which news story the other guys bringing to the table, 604 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: and at the end are smart and clever Audio engineer 605 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: Phil will pass judgment and declare a winner your lead 606 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: this week, man, Yeah it is you know me. I 607 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: love fun, but I wouldn't really call this story I 608 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: have here today fun. But it's an important story, perhaps 609 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: one of the most important fish related stories happening in 610 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: the country. Um. And it's actually a follow up, right, so, 611 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: way back in July, we covered the story when the 612 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: Army Corps of Engineers released the draft proposal that would 613 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: set the course of Florida's water management for the next 614 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: ten years. Right, um. And and the news within that 615 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 1: news was that the Army Corps, Yes, was that the 616 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: Army Corps set up a direct email for the public 617 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: to write in. And um. When we hit that on bent, 618 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: we asked you guys to please do just that, right. 619 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 1: It was kind of like the general public's one chance 620 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: to be heard with a direct line to the Army 621 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: Corps regarding you know, years of water mismanagement. Now, we 622 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: haven't the time to rehash every detail of what's been 623 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: going on in Florida for well over a decade. But 624 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: here's the quick gist, just to give it context. Right, 625 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: I feel like we have to do this very quickly. 626 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: Lake Okachobee collects freshwater in the center of the state. Historically, 627 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: before the meddling hand of man, that water flowed back 628 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: out and drained to the south, right, and all that 629 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: fresh water is what fed the Everglades, providing nutrients, necessary 630 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: area for aquatic vegetation, growth, fish, crustaceans, you name it, right, 631 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: it was. It was the main artery for the glades. 632 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: The majority of Lacos water has since been diverted to 633 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 1: the east and west, predominantly to support agricultural interest, mainly 634 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: sugar and the huge corporations that grow sugarcane in the region. 635 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: What and everybody just refers to them as big sugar, right, 636 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: that's the enemy. Um And of course they have deep 637 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 1: pockets political ties, and they get their way. The byproduct 638 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: of them getting their way is that the Everglades have 639 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: been starved. If you talk to anyone that that grew 640 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: up fishing the Everglades, they'll tell you they are a 641 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: shell of what they once were in terms of health 642 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: and biodiversity. Meanwhile, uh, freshwater that's that's being polluted and 643 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: influenced right by the agricultural industries. It's being pushed east 644 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: and west instead of south, creating all sorts of salinity issues, 645 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: toxic algae blooms, just to name a couple of the 646 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: problems in the St. Lucy River and the Kloosa Hatchie River. 647 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: So basically, back in July, the Army war was kind 648 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 1: of saying, Okay, we're ready to refigure this whole deal, 649 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: and we want to hear from you, and whatever plan 650 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: got put in place, it was pretty much what Florida 651 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: would just have to live with for the next decade. 652 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: So in mid November, the Army Corps finally announced their 653 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: Optimized Lake Schedule Model run for the future Lake Oka 654 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: Chobe System Operating Manual. They've shortened all that to l 655 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: o SM and it's very confusing. The Army Corps is 656 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: not good at like truncated abbreviations. It's always like bt 657 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: F y six eight one two nine at B anyway. 658 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: I'm getting all this information, of course, from the website 659 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: of Captains for Clean Water, who have been instrumental in 660 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: this fight, right, huge incredible work they've done. So here's 661 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: a quote from the piece regarding the new Optimized Lake 662 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: Schedule Model run. It was a huge decision in the 663 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: l o SM process because the selected model run will 664 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: serve as the framework for the final operational plan. By 665 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: the line, it looks significantly better than the current operational plan, 666 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: which has plagued our coastal estuaries with harmful discharges and 667 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: starve the Everglades for the past dozen years, and that 668 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: goes on. Technically, this still doesn't mark the end of 669 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: the process. For the next year, the core will and 670 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: this is a quote I guess from the Army Corps 671 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: wrapped the words around the numbers, turning the scientific model 672 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: they've selected into a usable operations manual. However, with this selection, 673 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: the course is mostly set for how the plan will 674 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: be written and what it will mean for the distribution 675 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: of water in South Florida. So Captains for Clean Water. 676 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: To to break it down for us lay people, they 677 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: sort of compare the whole thing to a goose being 678 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: cooked in an oven. They say, quote The dish will 679 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: continue to develop for some time, but all the ingredients 680 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: have already been selected and set in the oven. From 681 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: now until the final operations manual is released, in late 682 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: or early there is very little opportunity to be designed 683 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: into the process that would result in significant changes to 684 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: the way the final plan will distribute water. Right, So, 685 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean take that for what it's worth. Right, They 686 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: can still mental and change and tweak, but the the 687 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: root of the recipe is should not be changing. UM. 688 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: So definitely a scenario where this is not over. But 689 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: this is by far the largest battle one in this war, 690 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: and UM seems to point at least to an improved 691 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: future for the Everglades. Now, the current operational plan right yeah, 692 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: was devised in two thousand eight, and it it favored 693 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: the interests of Big Sugar and UM, I mean captains 694 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: were clean water, it says themselves like it was written 695 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: at the time without enough widespread public involvement or concerns. 696 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: So now this time around, thanks in part maybe to 697 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: some of you guys listening that wrote in UM, science 698 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: and public concern are factored into the new plan. And 699 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: there's here's another quote from the story. This selected model 700 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: is predicted to significantly reduce harmful dish arches to both 701 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: the east and west coast, as well as send over 702 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: three times more water south to the Everglades. Um. It 703 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: will also considerably improve minimum beneficial flows to the Kloosa 704 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: Hatchie River estuary during the dry season, which is important 705 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: to maintaining salinity levels in the estuary. So oh yeah, 706 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: it's all it's all good things, right. Um. The next 707 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: steps in the process will essentially be as putting the 708 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: meat on the bones is how the article puts it. 709 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: The core will now finalize the operational guidance that will 710 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: accompany this selected model, and right the water control bland 711 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: based on this model, creating a usable manual. So you know, 712 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: to break it down, what's the bottom line here, right, 713 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: so much damage has been done. Will the Everglades ever 714 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: get the full flush of water back? No, Like it 715 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: would be very unlikely because these agricultural industries are not 716 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: going away. But even three times what's running down there 717 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: would be a huge wind compared to what's been going on. 718 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: So um, I'm sure that the partying it captains for 719 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: clean water was strong after this drop and that that's 720 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: a that's a big congrats for everybody involved and those 721 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: guys in particular. So when it comes to the Everglades 722 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: in particular, man, there is like I want to say, 723 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: like very rarely good news, but a lot of the 724 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: stuff to get excited about is like few and far, 725 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's not or it's confined to small places 726 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: like well this this cool thing is still happening over here. 727 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 1: We've still got a good thing going here. But if 728 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: you if you, if you zoom out and look at it, 729 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: um you and I will probably will will never experience 730 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: what the Everglades were in the seventies or eighty. You know, 731 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: it's well, you know, I have hope for all sorts 732 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: of solutions to a lot of our problems going forward. 733 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: I think that the Internet's ability to like bring these 734 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: issues the attention they deserve from the public is going 735 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: to make a lot of conservate national change is more 736 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: viable in like the coming years, and I think a 737 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: lot of uh, I think a lot of the problems 738 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: are going to find themselves. You know, I believe in 739 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: technology for a lot of this stuff, and I genuinely 740 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: believe we're like there is a brighter future. So we 741 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: just saw that last week with the special report on 742 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 1: the Madison right. One of the one of the takeaways 743 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: was like you can hate on on social media all 744 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: you want. Look how quickly that got that many people 745 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: amassed to go down there and help. Um, you know, 746 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: do we know for certain how much of that public 747 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: input that was asked for moves a huge When we 748 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: first reported this, it was a huge social media campaign 749 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: that captains for clean whatever spearheading. They were like basically like, 750 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: holy shit, here is a direct line that somebody at 751 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: the Army Corps is supposed to be reading, like now 752 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: this is your chance, Like this is your public meeting, 753 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: Like do it now? And do we really know how 754 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: much that influence what's going on here right now? We don't. 755 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: We don't have the numbers on that, but would like 756 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: to think that that was a contributing factor to to 757 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: revising all of this. You know, so, Um, I think 758 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: you're right, it's an it's another win. This would have 759 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: been much more difficult with out the technology making it 760 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: easy for us to weigh in. Yeah. And I think 761 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: that's how a lot of these problems were like kind 762 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: of born in the first place. Man. The bottom line is, 763 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: if you care enough about something, have the belief that 764 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: you can like affect change in you know, whatever way 765 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: you're able to. Because I think we're getting to a 766 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: point where like that is a reality. Yeah, And it's 767 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: it's been affected here. We don't know what the ultimate 768 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: effect looks like, but this is great news for Florida 769 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:48,919 Speaker 1: and a and a huge win. Let's see one point five. 770 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: What's one point five times twenty three? One point five 771 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: times twenty three. I just wrote those two numbers down, 772 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: as if I can do that fast enough. I don't know, dude, 773 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: I don't do math. I think it's about what like 774 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: thirty four thirty four and change to the power of eight. 775 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk because we both talked about how we suck 776 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: at math. That's why we right, Let's talk about an 777 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: approximately thirty four and a half inch win in the 778 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: way of twenty three tiny little loach fish. I think 779 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: ben listeners are gonna like this one. I'm happy to 780 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: report that recently scientists have found batman batman. Okay, so 781 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: actually that's not entirely true. What they did find, however, 782 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: be pretty cool though, was the What they did find 783 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 1: was the batman river loach, a fish feared to be 784 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: extinct until recently. Now, before we get started here, man, 785 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure that it's pronounced like botman or something, but 786 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: because it's funnier, I'm going to keep rolling with bad man. 787 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: What country is this in Turkey? Yes, I don't know 788 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: what a Turkish accent? Right, it's probably Bottman. Yeah, that's offensive. Anyhow, 789 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: how about just Batman? Um? I don't have anything just 790 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: that man, nothing residential. He lives in a layer. This 791 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: rediscovery was part of an ongoing effort by the folks 792 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: over at SHOAL. SHOAL is a conservation organization focused on 793 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: the preservation of fresh water fishes. And it's something that 794 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: really kind of desperately is like, it's something that's desperately needed. 795 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: Since nine there's been an eight percent decline in populations 796 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: of monitor fresh water species, according tos made by the 797 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: World Wildlife Fund for Nature Now, the Batman river loach 798 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: is a fish that finds itself on Shoal's list of 799 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: ten most Wanted fishes. Ten most wanted fishes. What's that? What? So? 800 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: How's that list devised? So? The SHOAL organization has this 801 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: program called the Search for the Lost Issues. I'm gonna 802 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: read you some ship from their website real quick. Um. 803 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: The abstract is all around the world, freshwater fish face 804 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: multiple stressors that have caused populations to plummet, and for 805 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: all kinds of reasons once discovered species have fallen off 806 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: our radar. These lost fishes are species that have gone 807 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: unseen for years, even decades, and our feared to be 808 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: possibly extinct. In order to save these species, we first 809 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: need to find them. Um. So that's kind of the 810 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of the juice. So I most wanted they 811 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: mean like we want to find these the most, like 812 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: we would love to see these again. Is that? What 813 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: is that? What that means? I thought it meant like 814 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: most coveted, like their most popular in pet stores or 815 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,399 Speaker 1: snaked snaked snaked it snaked. I can show you where 816 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: they are they're not. Yeah, that's easy. I heard you could. 817 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: So anyway that I'm just gonna run down because it's 818 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,760 Speaker 1: like kind of fun. Uh, the ten most wanted lost 819 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,479 Speaker 1: species are. Yeah. What's interesting too is all these fish 820 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: are pretty darn small. A lot of them were like 821 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: like sickly size. But uh, the animite barb, the batman 822 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: river loach, the duck build bunty bunt in bun bunting, 823 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: the duck billed bunting, the spinach pipe fish, the Mesopotamian barble, 824 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: the the sire dar. It's a shovel nose sturgeon, the 825 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:41,720 Speaker 1: titty coca r s ts, the hat of the k fish, 826 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: the Tassi sicklid, and the fat catfish, which was the 827 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: fat catfish. That's what it's called, just the fat catfish 828 00:45:53,719 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: or f u f f okay. Yeah. So anyway, that's 829 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: their like list of ten fish. And you know, the 830 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: idea has stated in their mission is that if they 831 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: can find these fish, they can start to like understand 832 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: the ecology of them and you know, hopefully make strides 833 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: in the conservation of these species. So now back to 834 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: the Batman river loach. The Batman River loach makes its 835 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,399 Speaker 1: home in tributaries of Turkeys, Batman and Ambar rivers. It's 836 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,240 Speaker 1: a small fish, an ambar nice nice. It's a small 837 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: fish growing to a maximum size around an inch and 838 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: a half that has last been seen in four so 839 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: it's been a little bit almost fifty years. That's a 840 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah. Based on an article by the Guardian, 841 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: it appears that the find was made by doctors. I 842 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: don't know why I do this to myself. Are you gonna, 843 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: oh man, you're gonna do I do? I do? I 844 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: detect a name reading a name listing? Coming up here, dude, 845 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: this is a this is gonna be a name butchering man. Um. 846 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even think it's worth it other 847 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: than the comedic value. But now you have to, so 848 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: go right ahead. I would like to say that I 849 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: deeply respect these people, and I value their fines, and 850 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 1: I value their dedication to conservation, and I am truly, 851 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: truly sorry. Um, this has not been a widely you know, 852 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 1: I didn't hear this. I'm reading it. I know doctors 853 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: count kun yet Kaya okay and moon ever oral Oral. 854 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: It's Oral, moon Ever Oral okay, both professors at the 855 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: risk up taiep or Dogan University. Yeah, we'll just call 856 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 1: that the uh you okay? Great? Get back to the loaches. 857 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: So not only did these research find a batman river loach, 858 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: they actually found twenty three of them, hence the math 859 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: at the beginning this between the two tributaries, which is 860 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: great news. Yeah. Um. That said, the conservation of this 861 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: species is still in obvious peril. Um. The trouble with 862 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: such a rare and threatened fish is that a lot 863 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: of their ecology remains unknown. Right, so it's harder to 864 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: identify potential threats, which makes it harder to kind of 865 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: perceive and proceed in their work. And that's the whole 866 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: reason that you know they're going to such lengths to 867 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:38,280 Speaker 1: like identify these species they're strongholds and uh and potential 868 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 1: threats because then they can identify, like how much of 869 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: a risk certain invasive species posed to their continuation. So 870 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: to that end, in this case, researchers and conservationists are 871 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,360 Speaker 1: focusing on more obvious threats like pollution and dams and ships. 872 00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's what's up with Batman. Batman? Yeah, Batman story. 873 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: But Man, so I you know, I I had a loach. 874 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: I had several loaches in my tanks growing up. Maybe 875 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: it was the tiger loach or the clown loach or 876 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: something like that. Um, they're cool fish. But I also, 877 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: I think we both understand that we're not really talking 878 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: about something people go out and target here. But we 879 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: run these stories because even though the fishing question might 880 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: not be something that we we chase as anglers, I 881 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: don't know that there's always bigger implications to what you 882 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: see here, right, Like a lot of these stories we 883 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: used for fish News, it's less about like the thing 884 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: itself and more about the story in a broader context 885 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,800 Speaker 1: in this case, that that would be the conservation of 886 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: freshwater species, regardless of the species. You know, a lot 887 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: of folks don't get why we give about like twenty 888 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,399 Speaker 1: three inch and a half long fish in Turkey. It's 889 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,399 Speaker 1: because conservation is a slippery slope, and once we start 890 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,280 Speaker 1: defining like what animals are and are not worthy of 891 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 1: saving su uh. You know, everybody has a different interpretation 892 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,760 Speaker 1: of that. There are plenty of people, plenty of folks 893 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 1: who don't see the value in the thing, Like, uh, 894 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: what was the deal with like Trump and the minnow 895 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: in in California? Do you remember this? I should know, 896 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: but I don't remember anything about a California minnow. We've 897 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: covered a lot of minnows and loaches and things on here, 898 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: So maybe I think there was like some sort of 899 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,879 Speaker 1: minnow they like kind of got involved in like an 900 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,879 Speaker 1: economic project, and part of it couldn't We had one 901 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,280 Speaker 1: not too long ago that like because of some small species. 902 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: I forget if it was a gobi or like it 903 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: ultimately ended up shutting down an entire reservoir, like they 904 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,799 Speaker 1: like they didn't damn a reservoir or something like that. 905 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 1: But I think this might be that story that wasn't California, 906 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,319 Speaker 1: but maybe I don't know. Again, all the all the 907 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 1: micro micro fisherman like, so anyway, so say you let 908 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,799 Speaker 1: that slide, well, eventually you're going to get to the 909 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 1: point where, you know, people don't understand why why steel 910 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: head in the Pacific Northwest are worth saving. You know, 911 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: obviously they're like quite a few steps between those two examples, 912 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,360 Speaker 1: but like, that's the way this works. Our buddy Clay 913 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: Newcombe likes to talk about guarding the gate and reference 914 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: to the idea that non science based bear hunting restrictions 915 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,959 Speaker 1: are the first step in anti hunters getting what they want. 916 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,760 Speaker 1: This is kind of similar in the way that apathy 917 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,439 Speaker 1: and conservation of a certain species, uh, you know sort 918 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: of so what species will catch up the species that 919 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: are more universally cared about, So this is sort of 920 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: the fresh water fish conservation guarding the gate. That's why 921 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 1: I care about these kind of things, and that's why 922 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,720 Speaker 1: I think that other folks should care about them too. 923 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,439 Speaker 1: Oh dude, I totally think these stories about these sort 924 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: of oddball species are are always worth including here or 925 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: at least time to time, because they do they do 926 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 1: paint a bigger picture, um, and the connective tissue for 927 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about, is there. So we'll move 928 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,320 Speaker 1: off of the tiny loach and I'll just say, since 929 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: we we had Brandon and Carl on the show kind 930 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: of doing the bass pro thing, um, I thought, you know, 931 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: it's been a it's been a good long while since 932 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: we checked in with our resident bass pro Rants Stimpkins. 933 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 1: So we're gonna hear from Phil um see see what 934 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: captured his heart, the the loach or the revitalization of 935 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 1: the entire Everglades. I don't know. I don't want to 936 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: jump to conclusions on that, So we'll see who took 937 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: the win this week and then find out how life's 938 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 1: been going for young Rants. Sorry, Joe, the Wind's going 939 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,280 Speaker 1: to Hayden this week. I just found it so interesting 940 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,720 Speaker 1: that they found the Batman fish by taking its parents 941 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: out and do an alley and murdering them. If they 942 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: ever wanted to find the spider Man Fish, they could 943 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,320 Speaker 1: just take its uncle out into the street and murder 944 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: him and the iron Man Fish. Just make it a 945 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,400 Speaker 1: child star, give it a really bad stint on SNL, 946 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of cocaine, wait for its have to fall apart, 947 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: and it will eventually come crawling back to become the 948 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: highest paid fish in all of fish to Hollywood. Yeah, 949 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm getting inspired just thinking about it. Hey, y'all, professional 950 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,359 Speaker 1: bas angler Ranch Stimpkins here, calling in real quick, just 951 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: to thank everybody for the love and support they showed 952 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,800 Speaker 1: me this tournament season. I can't talk too long because 953 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: my break here at the Mattress Firm is only twenty 954 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,920 Speaker 1: minutes and I'm the only fellow that got work in 955 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: the loading dock. That's all right, I figured by next season, 956 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: the other body strength I'm gaining will help me add 957 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,279 Speaker 1: at least a thousand more casts a day. They'll be 958 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: calling me the Tungsten Terminator next season, you'll see. Anyway, 959 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 1: I've had a few low loads this year, no doubt. 960 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: I mean, losing my lower unit right out of the 961 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: gate on Grand Lake during that little shotgun start incident 962 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,279 Speaker 1: didn't help nothing. So since I was limited to my 963 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: trusty Seers Trolo motor for the rest of the season, 964 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm pretty proud of myself. I mean, I didn't finish 965 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,800 Speaker 1: in the money one time, but what I learned about 966 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: fishing close to the ramp was invaluable. From my long game. 967 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 1: Mostly I learned to be patient and just wait for 968 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,360 Speaker 1: the shore fishermen to clear out before I snuck in 969 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: there to back clean up. It was trying at times. 970 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,240 Speaker 1: Ship One day, some bread deck through a full can 971 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: of w D forty and caught me square in the temple. 972 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: I blacked out for a little while and ended up 973 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 1: drifting all the way across the lake. But everything happens 974 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: for a reason, my friend, and turns out that stump 975 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 1: field I got hung up on was loaded with one pounders. Anyhow, 976 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: I was also calling because I heard y'all had that 977 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 1: Brandon paling It guy on the show. I ain't certain 978 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: if his Instagram account is down or what, but I've 979 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: been tweeting at him for six months now with no reply. 980 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,399 Speaker 1: Hey Brandon, if you're listening, remember when we bumped into 981 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,840 Speaker 1: each other at that rest stop in Texas. He was 982 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 1: running in to grab a mineral water or something, and 983 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,800 Speaker 1: I just happened to be in the middle of pumping 984 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: chili onto my hot dog. I said hey, and I 985 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,879 Speaker 1: think he said hey back, but maybe that's just how 986 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm remembering it. Anyway, I'd love to talk with you 987 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 1: about some baits have been developing with my friend Kenny 988 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: and his uncle Wes. We're calling them Wizard Liquors and 989 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 1: they're gonna blow your mind. So please hit me up. 990 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: You know, I kind of feel bad for that kid, 991 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: like I sort of want to invest in Lizard Liquors, 992 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,560 Speaker 1: just like just to help him out. That's the fun 993 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 1: is that you can't help but feel bad for him. 994 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,840 Speaker 1: But how are you gonna do that? You don't have 995 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,759 Speaker 1: any money. It would be a modest investment if you 996 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: if you really want to help rants, find him a 997 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: job somewhere other than the Mattress firm. Are you Are 998 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 1: you familiar with the mattress Firm conspiracy? I don't know 999 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Okay. We're not going to dive 1000 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: into it in full here because it'll just eat up 1001 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,359 Speaker 1: too much time, and I also don't want to get 1002 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: sued for defamation. But if you're just like killing time 1003 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,560 Speaker 1: with work, right, look up Mattress Firm on whatever map 1004 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: you use on your phone. Look it up. Joe told 1005 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,439 Speaker 1: me to kill some time. Look it up and then 1006 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: note the number of them in your area, Okay, and 1007 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 1: then do some internet digging on the Mattress Firm conspiracy 1008 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely excited to look this up later off the clock. 1009 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 1: You should be. It's fascinating and smart, and so is 1010 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,239 Speaker 1: the tackle hack we're gonna close with this week. Week 1011 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 1: we started out talking about high pressure tournament fishing, and 1012 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,279 Speaker 1: if that's your jam, right, it's critical that every piece 1013 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 1: of tackle from the biggest of the tiniest harmonizes to 1014 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 1: make sure you capitalize when it counts. Now, maybe you're 1015 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 1: not attorney guy, but my good buddy and frequent guests, 1016 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,080 Speaker 1: Conway Bowman, has a little hack that will help you 1017 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: be a little more efficient with high value toothy critters 1018 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 1: on the line muskies as an example. I'm getting hacks 1019 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:35,319 Speaker 1: coming from inside the city. Hike up flood with me 1020 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: today for tackle hacks, my buddy Conway Bowman from Southern California, 1021 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: Mako Shark Pioneer, among many other things. What's going on, brother, 1022 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,920 Speaker 1: Good to see you again. Not much man, I'm excited 1023 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: to get a tackle hack from you because you do 1024 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,600 Speaker 1: some you do some different stuff. I mean, you do 1025 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: you chase fish that not that many people chase um 1026 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,480 Speaker 1: and you've done you fish for so many different things 1027 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 1: like this. This tip could I don't really know where 1028 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,680 Speaker 1: we're going here, So surprise me. What do you got 1029 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,920 Speaker 1: for something big gamey? Perhaps, yeah, it's big gaming, but 1030 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: it's it can be applied to any sort of kind 1031 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,600 Speaker 1: of toothy creator. So it's perfect when you use it 1032 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,840 Speaker 1: a steel leader. And this is for a single strand 1033 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 1: stainless steel wire, not multiple strand. Okay, So with single 1034 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,120 Speaker 1: strand stainless stel you have to make do a hay 1035 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,640 Speaker 1: wire twist, which takes practice. And took that intuitive. It 1036 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,520 Speaker 1: took me a long time. So once you master the 1037 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,680 Speaker 1: hay wire twist, okay, the the end that goes to 1038 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: your tip. It A lot of a lot of anglers 1039 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: will do an al Bright special to make that connection. 1040 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,439 Speaker 1: And I did that for many, many years. But it's 1041 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 1: time consuming. You know, it takes a long time to 1042 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: do that. So what I do now is I use 1043 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: a light welded ring, so it's like a light welded 1044 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: tuna ring, not a split ring, right, a solid ring. Right. 1045 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: So I'll put that on the end of that that 1046 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,400 Speaker 1: haywire twist loop for quick connections, and it works great 1047 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: and it's been for me. It's better than a swivel 1048 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,120 Speaker 1: because it's not his bulk. So you know, it's a 1049 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: little more streamlined. So the smallest welded ring you can get, 1050 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 1: so whether it's a twenty pound, thirty, forty whatever, and 1051 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: you would size that up to whatever you're targeting. So 1052 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 1: if you're doing muskie, if you're doing barracuda, or if 1053 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: you're doing makoes, like I'll use a forty pound welder ring. 1054 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 1: But a forty pound welder ring is very small, and 1055 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,439 Speaker 1: so you can make a very quick connection with whatever 1056 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: or not you use. So whether it's you know, like 1057 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 1: I use a San Diego jam not, or you can 1058 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 1: use I mean you can use that just you know, 1059 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 1: an improved clinch. So when you're using the wire, that's 1060 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,200 Speaker 1: the tip I would advise people to do. Dude, that's 1061 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: a terrific tip, man. And it's funny because I never 1062 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: thought about that. I know those loops exist. I don't 1063 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 1: have a ton of use for them except for like 1064 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: sometimes changing out like butterfly jigs and things like that. 1065 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 1: But you're right, they're super small, but they're super super strong. 1066 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 1: And if you do the all bright k not things, 1067 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 1: single strand tends to get kinked up after a while. Anyway, 1068 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: you end up just changing your leader because it gets 1069 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: kinked up from just fly fishing and casting and pulling 1070 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,800 Speaker 1: stuff over weeds. So that is a terrific tip, man, 1071 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,840 Speaker 1: um leave it to the shark guy to come up with. 1072 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: There you go, man, appreciate it, dude. That's a great one. 1073 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,760 Speaker 1: So that's all we got for you this week. If 1074 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,440 Speaker 1: you're building a strategy for the next club, tourn him 1075 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,200 Speaker 1: into the County Park pond. Remember the glory may not 1076 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,480 Speaker 1: be fully captured if you've scared the ship out of 1077 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,240 Speaker 1: your onboard photographer. Nothing says you're a fan of a 1078 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 1: particular pro angler like chucking a can of w D 1079 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,480 Speaker 1: forty at his head and even your most stinging fish 1080 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,320 Speaker 1: loss likely did it cost you a Yeah, whatever your losses, 1081 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,120 Speaker 1: you got over it a lot faster than Brandon Polinic anyway. 1082 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: Thanks again to him and Carl Jakobson for joining us 1083 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: this week, and thanks again to you for keeping those 1084 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,760 Speaker 1: bar nominations. Seven items, awkward photos and your questions for 1085 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,360 Speaker 1: our upcoming new Q and a segment coming to Bent 1086 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: at the meat Eator dot com. And uh, finally, if 1087 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,000 Speaker 1: you're aspiring Torny pro looking for sponsorship, what license the 1088 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Bend logo for fourteen dollars and get you a smoking 1089 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 1: deal on a serious rolling mode