1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: Then we are back. This is our number two of 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: the Drive. You're on the Steelers Audio Network and Matt, 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: as we've done here, will continue to do a little 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: Fantasy football focus looking at the Tears according to Real 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: Football Focus of different positions. 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: Today we're on tight end. 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 3: Okay, this is another one. I might go big and 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: get one of the top guys because I don't love 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: tight end eight nine ten. You know what you kind 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: of the riff raff you get. 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Well, let's see what we got here. 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So in tier one they have two guys, Okay, 18 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: Tray McBride and Brock Bowers. 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: To they McBride ahead a boer. Yeah, I can't get there, 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: but to me, they're clearly one and two. They're both. 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: They're both explosive. Bowers is almost certainly gonna lead his 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: teaming catches even though it's a new staff. McBride will 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: compete with Harrison to do that. Neither one scored as 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 3: much as you think, especially McBride. I think I had 25 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: one touchdown, Like that's gonna go up. Yeah, that's gonna 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: go up. 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 28 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: I just don't know if I'm willing to pay the price. 29 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: I mean, those guys are going like fifteenth overall, second round. 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: Tier two three guys, George Kittle, DJ Hawkinson, Sam Laporta. 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: Okay, I one hundred cent to understand that, and I 32 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 3: would be in on all those dudes, probably in that order. 33 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: But I think Kittle stands alone in his own tier, 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: especially with the wide receiver injuries like on A. He 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: was really good last year for Fantasy too, and there 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: are those games where he catches three balls for thirty 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: eight yards because Deebo and Hayuk went off or whatever, 38 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: So he's a little frustrating. 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: He also misses a little bit right almost every year. 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: But I'm back in on Hawkinson for sure. I mean 41 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: he kind of had that semi down year because injuries. 42 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: Laporta started the season injured, but as he got healthier, 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 3: it was much better in the second half of the season. 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but new coordinator Tier three, and this takes us 45 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: from six to twelve. 46 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 3: This is when you start to really have a disadvantage 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: against the top guys, at least in my opinion. 48 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: Mark Andrews. 49 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 3: Okay, that's surprising he's that high. Most lists have him 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: like eleven, which I don't understand. I don't understand that 51 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: he's still good. Now this was done before the trade. 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so Johnny Smith is seven. 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: I don't know he could be in the top twelve anymore. 54 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: I mean, he's not gonna catch eighty eight passes here. No, 55 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: you know, he was their third receiver. 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, then he had Travis Kelsey. 57 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: You buying him at that price. I think his snaps 58 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 3: go down. But third down in red zone and ring 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: around the rosy nonsense and stuff is still gonna be 60 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: out there. He's just not gonna have the volume. 61 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna have sixty catches. 62 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 3: From him, So you hope double digitized. 63 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: Seven and maybe double division. 64 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, because of the situation. 65 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: Nine is David and Joku. 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 3: I'm fine with that because they really scheme him up 67 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: and a lot of easy quarterback throws that I don't 68 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: think it matters whose quarterback is. He's good after the catch. 69 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: I don't think that's a bad price for him. 70 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: And you have Evan Ingram Yeah, okay, changing, yeah, changing 71 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: Sceniory there. 72 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: I mean he's fast, he's a former first round pick. 73 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: There's traits there, and his career has gotten a lot 74 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: better lately. Broncoes one other way to get him a 75 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: hard time. Putting all my chips in that basket. 76 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: Though, you know, and you have Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren. 77 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: I'm not there at all. 78 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: I can't do that. 79 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: I'm not even close to those minokies being starting fantasy 80 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: tight ends. 81 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: This is not Rock Bauer situations, not at all, because 82 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: the difference is, first off, I think Bower's better than 83 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: those two. Bowers was the focal point of the offense. Like, 84 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: there's no way Warren's going to catch more passes than 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: Pittman and Downs and Pierce is still in the mix, 86 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: and ad n I Mitchell and they want to run 87 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: the ball like crazy. Do you think loved One's gonna 88 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: have more catches than their top three receivers? No, no way, 89 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: I'm not paying any of those Probably, most contrary to 90 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: recent memory, rookie tight ends struggle. 91 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't tell me. Just because Brock, Bowers and 92 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: Pitts had decent years, that's not a thing anymore. 93 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: Then you had Tier four, Dalton Kincaid, Tucker Craft, Dallas, Goddard, 94 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: Jake Ferguson, Kyle Pitts, Brenon Strange and Isaiah Likely. 95 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: They're not all the same. To me, No, that would 96 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: be maybe the top three in their own tier. Like 97 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 3: I'll take craft Craft I'm pretty excited about. But there's 98 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 3: so many receivers are gonna catch the ball to. 99 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: I don't understand why Friarmouth wasn't at least in this group. 100 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: Free trade, right, yeah, I'm still taking I still probably 101 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: take friar Ruth over Strange. Yeah, Kidney, right, I mean 102 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: that guy's done nothing to. 103 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: Take Johnie Smith like, yeah, now they probably both catch 104 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: fifty plus passes. 105 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: Had a lot of end zone targets too. Yeah, that's 106 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: probably not going to change. Who are the top two there? Oh, 107 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: Goddard to me is really interesting. There's no way they're 108 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: going to run the ball at that extreme percentage this year. No, 109 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: they're just gonna be in closer games. They're gonna have 110 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 3: to throw the ball a little bit more. That pie 111 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: will grow. 112 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: And I actually like Jake Ferguson there, it's not bad, right, 113 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: like be solid, yeah right right. Dak Prescott throws at 114 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: the tight end. 115 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: He does, he does and I don't think Pickens kills him. 116 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: No. Tier five zach Ertz, Hunter Henry Chicken, Quonko. Then 117 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: you get path for our mouth, Mike Kisiki, Kateawt, and 118 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: Fulton Schultz. 119 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: I'm definitely taking Friarmouth number one of all those pre trade, 120 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: especially yea post trade. 121 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: Still, I'm like all I've Ben Schultz. 122 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: Schultz is pretty similar to Ferguson. Yeah, I mean good 123 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: quarterback passing offense, well, decent offense. Probably will catch plenty 124 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 3: of touchdowns. He's so vanilla and not fun. But Hunter 125 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 3: Henry is okay too. Yeah, and he might catch eight 126 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: touchdowns this year. They don't have anybody to throw the 127 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: ball to in general, though, I might not have a 128 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 3: second tight end as opposed to drafting those guys. 129 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't necessarily need it. 130 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: Yeah right right. And Kisiki, I don't like him as 131 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: a player, but I like him for fantasy. 132 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: He's essentially their third wide receiver and. 133 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: He probably will be again, and they gave him money. Yeah, 134 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: like if you this is non fantasy related, but it 135 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: overlaps as always, we talked about how they're running it 136 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: back in the first hour and they are fine, but 137 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: what I didn't understand. I understand paying Hey, I didn't 138 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: understand paying Kaseki. If you're gonna pay no, I mean 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: you could drafted one the third round in the fourth 140 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: round and Ben got exactly what you got out of Koseki. 141 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 3: But the fact that they did makes me like Koseki 142 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: better for Fantasy. Whether I agree with signing or not, 143 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get in their head, you know. 144 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Tier six, these are deep playing flyers. 145 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: Some of the rookies are kind of interesting though. I 146 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: assume they're gonna be in this neighborhood. Yeah, Arroyo's and 147 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: those type of dudes. Terrence Ferguson, Okay, Chitavian Son Sanders, 148 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: Mason Taylor, ron Da Gadson's the second Juan Johnson, Theo 149 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: Johnson no offense, Harold Fannin, and Elijah Roho. So a 150 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: lot of young guys. I would say the young guys are 151 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: kind of There's three young guys that are kind of 152 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: interesting to me that'll be like on my watch list. 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm drafting them. Taylor with the Jets, 154 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: he could be their second leading receiver. I mean it's 155 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: Wilson and a lot much else Arroyo with Seattle, he 156 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: was he would have been drafted higher and he had 157 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: clean medicals. So I think he's really a second round 158 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: prospect and he's a long way from me in fantasy relevant. 159 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: But theo Johnson is the tight end for the Giants 160 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: now right, they should have okay quarterbacks. 161 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: He's gonna get no attention. 162 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 3: He's getting no attention at all. They're gonna be losing 163 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: a lot probably, you know, like you could he might 164 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: be better than you think. Yeah, doesn't. I might take 165 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: a flyer on some of those real young guys, or 166 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: they have the first two good weeks this season put 167 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: in for them Tier seven. 168 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: No. 169 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 2: Agree, that's a sneaky one. 170 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 3: That's a sneaky one. 171 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: If you don't think that Kelsey is gonna be on 172 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: the field all. 173 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: The time, they have to make him a part time player. 174 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 2: No agree? 175 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: Is I know? Agree? Is it's clearly his job. I 176 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: think you mentioned it on Monday when we were talking 177 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 3: about it after the John new trade, and I don't 178 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: think it's coincidence. But the Steelers are right there with 179 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: like five of the best teams in the league with 180 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: the multiple tight end stuff in Casey's one of them. Yeah, 181 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: I mean they have they all, even with three good receivers, 182 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: they always have multiple times. They have a high percent 183 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 3: of multiple line camp block, line camp block and read 184 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: and other smart people realize tight ends are hard to 185 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 3: deal with. They put you in a. 186 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: Bindu cool comette. Tyler Conklin, Tyler Higbee, Ben Sinnott, Will Thissley, 187 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: Luke Musgrave, Austin Hooper, Dawson Knox, Taysom Hill. 188 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: I don't Tayso Hills and play footballs here yuck. Yeah, yeah, 189 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: maybe one of those guys becomes fantasy relevant. But all right, 190 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 3: quick one, where do you put Waller? I don't know 191 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: what to think of him? Like you have to and 192 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: in the last week you have to drop John who. 193 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: I don't move friar Mouth off that list any deeper 194 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: now even move them up. But is wall a top twelve, 195 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: top fifteen? 196 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: I take him over close in Loveland entire teller Warren. 197 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, again, I don't know what to expect of him. 198 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: He's been out of the game. 199 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: Is he gonna be their their number three option? 200 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: If so, that's we saw it with John who did 201 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: last Yeah? 202 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: Ye, he catches right right? 203 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: I mean this time last year, I was all excited 204 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: about John who Smith. I'm like, whoever the three is 205 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 3: in Miami, I don't know what position it is. It's 206 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: gonna be useful. 207 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: He got earn fifteen targets. 208 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, as long as Waller doesn't get the camp 209 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: and be like, I really don't want to play football 210 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: or I can't run or it gets injured or something, 211 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 3: you know, something older finish that he's not in. He's 212 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: gonna catch touchdown. He's the only big guy too, right, 213 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: you know, right, I've be out of interest. It definitely 214 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 3: be my top fifteen. Yeah, and ahead of the rookies. Yeah, 215 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: I would look at that. Yeah, Yeah, that's worth a Yeah, 216 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: that's worth a flyer. You're not gonna pay much for him, no, 217 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: you know, he's had a really good career, yeah. 218 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: For sure. But that's their list. It's it's okay, it's. 219 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: I don't know who I'm jumping up and down to 220 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: pick at cost. 221 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: I think it's in the grand scheme of things, better 222 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: than running back and maybe better than quarterback. 223 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, quarterbacks don't blowing me away at the moment either, 224 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: you know, of course, you can live with the fifteenth 225 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: ranked quarterback and he's gonna play. Yeah, but compared I 226 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: know what you're saying. You're saying compared to other tight 227 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: end years or you know what's the richest spots of 228 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: fantasy drafts right now? 229 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: Like I can draft one of those guys who are 230 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: twelve to twenty and get fifty catches out of them. 231 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be enough. 232 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: Am I gonna compete with Brock Bowers or no McBride 233 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: or no? But it could be good enough if I've 234 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: loaded up elsewhere. 235 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: And I like McBride a lot, and I'm pretty convinced 236 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 3: on Bowers, but I'm not sure McBride is Kelsey in 237 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 3: his prime either. I mean, like worth the first round 238 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,479 Speaker 3: pick type of guy Jones gives me such a huge advantage, 239 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: probably leaning towards like the Hawkinson neighborhood. But they're gonna 240 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 3: go pretty quick too, Yeah, I mean after the first 241 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: two go off the board, that next tier might go 242 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: quicker than you think. 243 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: I always have a tough time taking a tight end early. 244 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: I usually never do. Yeah, I might be even like 245 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 3: a Mark Andrews, someone's kind of been kind of out 246 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: of sight, out of mind. Sign me up. 247 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, let's get through a break. That's going 248 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: to do it for the Fantasy Football Focus, Matt and 249 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: I'll be back with more in a drive right after this. 250 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 251 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black 252 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio. 253 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: Matt on Steelers dot Com. I've been doing some position reviews, 254 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: oh cool heading in the training camp over the last 255 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: few weeks, so I have given my thoughts on some 256 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: of these different positions. 257 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: So these are reviews, not previews. Previews, oh previews Okay, Okay, 258 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 3: what they got going to camp? Good? 259 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: Okay, someone that gets your thoughts on some of these 260 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: positions where we're starting. We're gonna start the offensive line here. 261 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: You got Isaac sam Olu, Zach Frasier, Mason McCormick, Roger Jones, 262 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: Troy Fatano, Spencer Anderson, Ryan McCollum, Calvin Anderson, Max Sharping, 263 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: Dylan Cook, Gareth Warren, Doug Nester, and Aiden Williams. 264 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: Okay, so it probably worries me more than any position 265 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: on the team right now other than second wide receiver, 266 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 3: just because I think there's a lot of variants where 267 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: I think it could be really good, or what if 268 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: Roderick Jones doesn't live up to it, seamal new starts 269 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: to look old. I think the depth, as I've mentioned 270 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: many times, isn't what he has been the last year 271 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: or two. But I also look at Fraser and Faltanu 272 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: and think they might be stars. They might be two 273 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: of the best linemen they've had since pouncing Castro and 274 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: those type of guys as opposed to just the Dan 275 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: Mooor's of the world, who are fine, they might have 276 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: some stars. I often complain or worry about the depth 277 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: and a lot. 278 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: Of Here's the thing. If I look at the depth 279 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: Spencer Anderson, Ryan McCollum, Calvin Anderson, Max Sharping, and Dylan Cook. 280 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: The only one of those guys who's never played is 281 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: Dylan Cook. 282 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: See that's exactly what I was gonna say. You beat 283 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: me to it, because and then who's the last name too, 284 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: the one that you didn't mention after those five Sharping? 285 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: Maybe I think you did mention it. 286 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: I didn't mention him. 287 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: I say, at least those guys have played. 288 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: He's got a bunch of starts unders, right, Calvin Anderson's 289 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: got a bunch of stars unders. 290 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not superstars, but in an offensive line starve league, 291 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: and I would have loved for them to have a 292 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: third pick from this year's draft in the mix, but 293 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: they didn't know those kind of picks. Next year, I 294 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: bet they will. That's probably about the best you can do. 295 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: You know, guys have been around the block that aren't 296 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: gonna blow blocks because of mental stuff. Their technique is good, 297 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: but they're just not super gifted, you know, like you 298 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: can grind things out with those dudes, especially with a 299 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: smart quarterback, and the guy gets the ball out of 300 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 3: his hands too, you know what I mean. Now, multiple 301 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: injuries there would scare the multiple injuries. 302 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: But multiple injuries is gonna He's gonna kill you regardless. 303 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: Well it didn't last year though. I Mean, they were 304 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: so stocked the drafted. 305 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: But their injuries were more you know, one guard position 306 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: kept getting hurt and then they lose Daniels. But by 307 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: the time they lost Daniels, Sam Allers back right, So 308 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: it was never multiple guys out all at the same time. 309 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: No, but it still was one of the most injured 310 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 3: O lines in the league last Yearyeah, I mean in 311 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: terms of what you lost. Now again, Fraser probably would 312 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: have taken over as a starting center, but when Herbie 313 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: got injured, he was a starter. You know, it wouldn't 314 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: break my heart to have another, but I don't think 315 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: you're gonna find it. 316 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, to me, the biggest question mark remains Proderick Jones. Yes, 317 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: I think is going to be a star. 318 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: I do too. I think they do too. 319 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 320 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: I mean if you hang out around the facility. They 321 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: don't like put it on the big screen or anything, 322 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: but he just get this vibe. They're like, oh, we'll 323 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: be okay at right tackle. Yeah, you know, we're happy 324 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: about that. Let's just you know, maybe the whole right side. 325 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 3: I don't think McCormick will ever be a star, but 326 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: if center to right tackle was really good for the 327 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: next decade or next six seven years, yeah, okay, you know, 328 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: I think Samali will need replaced at some point, not 329 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: this year, of course. And Roger Jones is the big 330 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: wild card. 331 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think you'll benefit playing next to Isaac 332 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: sam All. 333 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it will be good for him. 334 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: That it was one of our mail bag questions or whatever, 335 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: you know, just being next to such a pro the 336 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 3: grunting and you do this you do that or hey, 337 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: what what I miss on that one? 338 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 339 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: Identification of yeah, yeah, absolutely, but that worries me. But 340 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: that's not uncommon for the league. 341 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. Let's move on to the 342 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: defensive side of the line. Okay, you got cam Aywart, 343 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: Keanu Benton, Dean Lowry, Isaiah Lottermilk to Marvin Leel, Logan Lee, 344 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: Derek Harmon, yah yay, Black Daniel he says, he Yoda Moyo, 345 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: Jacob Slade, and Dominique Davis. 346 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: So those last three to me are really swimming upstream, 347 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: you know. And then how many others did you say 348 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 3: there was there? Like nine or ten? Yeah, seven are 349 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: gonna make the team. I mean this reminds me of 350 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: the old line last year and the year before going 351 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 3: into camps, like you got more than just one too many, 352 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 3: You might have too too many in terms of NFL players. 353 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: Like louder Milk, Marvin Leel Guarantee nothing. 354 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean both, but especially louder Milk. To me, 355 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: better have a darn good camp. I think it sets 356 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 3: up extremely well because how many first round picks can 357 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 3: you kind of ease into things? No matter what position 358 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: they play. It's a perfect ideal situation. Benton to me, 359 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: is still a riser. Lee can be the lowry I 360 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: think for a long time. You know, they've seem to 361 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: have a confidence about him as well. When you're down there, 362 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: the other dudes are going to be scrapping and battling 363 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 3: for playing time and making Cam's life easier is the 364 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 3: beauty of it. I mean, the the depth, the star power, 365 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: cams of star mixed with the youth and the upside 366 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: is exactly where you want that to be, which we 367 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: talked about to no end with our draft coverage. You know, like, yes, 368 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: it would be a strength if they didn't draft two 369 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: of them, but if they had lasted till the third 370 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: and fifth round, wouldn't be the potential massive strength it 371 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: could be now right, you know. 372 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek Harmon was the closest thing to Cam Hayward 373 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: in this draft. 374 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: Absolutely where he aligns, how he wins all that stuff. 375 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: Maybe in the last few drafts. 376 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's the ideal heir apparent. 377 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 378 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if everybody as good as Cam, but 379 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: he's set up to be in a really good. 380 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: Sen If he can be seventy of what Kim has been. 381 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're talking about for his career, even this year. Yeah, yeah, 382 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: even for his career would be worth it. He's close 383 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: to that this year. Great fantastic. Give me some splash, 384 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: Give me a high energy guy coming off the bench, 385 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: mixed in thirty snaps of game. A sneaky pick though 386 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: is black. Yeah, he is power. He's a full grown 387 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: man now. I'm sure he'll bat some passes the line 388 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 3: of scrimmage. Maybe he gets a sacky year, you know, 389 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 3: throughout his career, but he's not fun to play against. 390 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: No inside runs and stuff like that. He's more than 391 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: He's not more than just an old school nose, but 392 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: he's important in that way, you know. 393 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he's I definitely think they got a better 394 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: group up front in terms of stopping the run. 395 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, but actually I don't think you miss Ogunjovi at all. 396 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: No. I think Derek Harmon has a potential the way 397 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: to shoot way past Oh. 398 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah. And I'll be honest, I should know 399 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: more about uk Lee than I do. I mean, he's 400 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: more nosey ish, more run stuffer, but he's a pro too, 401 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like we talked about the 402 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 3: backup O lineman, Like, I think he's better than most 403 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: of those backup O linemen. You know what he does 404 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: in terms of he's gonna be He's an NFL player, 405 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: you know, he's played a lot of snaps. You hope 406 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: you don't need to lean on him. Maybe he doesn't 407 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: make the team either, But if that's your seventh or 408 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 3: a dude. 409 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's really deep. 410 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 3: It is that that's the one position I could see 411 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 3: possibly trading somebody during camp. I mean, does Lowery makes 412 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 3: a little more than the LEAs of the world, Maybe 413 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: you trade him for a six round pick and open 414 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: up a little bit of cap space. Because so many 415 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 3: guys can make this team. 416 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's one spot if they try to 417 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: trade somebody, and that's Punner. 418 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you might be able to do it. I 419 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: mean you got two top twenty punters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 420 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: I think we talked about that earlier in the week 421 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: that yes, you're not going to get a ransom for him, no, 422 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: but if I can do the old weight minute a 423 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: seven for your six, oh you know you know right? 424 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I mean I think I think 425 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: the lines give them what they've invested in them over 426 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: the last few years look massively different. 427 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 3: Oh, it's clearly been Omar's number one goal. Yeah, there 428 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: hasn't been quarterbacks to get quarterback side. That's its own beast. 429 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 3: But because you've invested so much in these lines, it 430 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: sets up really well for the next quarterback. I think 431 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: they'll be back to some degree in next year's I 432 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: bet next year they draft O line once or twice, 433 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: depending how many picks they have. Now, I must say 434 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 3: in the first second round. I don't know if they'll 435 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 3: draft any big people on defense. I mean, this might 436 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 3: be the same group you roll back for the next 437 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: two years. 438 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, let's get to a break. When we come back, 439 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: we'll talk more position reviews. He's Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lowie. 440 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive. You're on the Steelers audiop. 441 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 442 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black 443 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 444 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: And we are back and Matt and I are going 445 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: to continue our look here at some Steeler position groups, 446 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: and then we're gonna move on to they're running backs. Okay, 447 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 2: you got Jalen Morren, Kenneth Gamewell, cord Erald Patterson, Caleb Johnson, 448 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 2: Evan Hall, Trey Sermon, Max Hrlman, and fullback DJ Thomas Jones. 449 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: So the fullback I don't think we can totally discredit, 450 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 3: and I've been kind of holding off talking about him 451 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: until we see training camp. Yeah, fullbacks at mini camp 452 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 3: and OTAs are yeah, shows you nothing, shows you nothing. Okay, 453 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: he moves around, Okay, you can catch the ball a 454 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: little bit, fine, but he's not runn through the hole 455 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 3: and blast in the linebacker or yeah, doing full back. 456 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: Stuff or running down on special team right. 457 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: Exactly, I see, you know, because they've definitely flirted with fullbacks, 458 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: even Green, the former center. I mean, like the it's 459 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: in the the thought process. It's just a hard position 460 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 3: to keep if you're not a great teamer. And I 461 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: would bet if he makes a team, Connor Hayward wouldn't. 462 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a one for one or not, 463 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: but I wanted to address him that he's different than 464 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: the rest in this room. Yeah, and has a path, 465 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: you know, where some of the guys to the bottom 466 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: the list probably don't have a path, like any position. 467 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 3: At least he has a path. I think Sermon and 468 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: Hull are really interesting. I didn't adore either one coming 469 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: out of Ohio State or Northwestern, respectively, but they were 470 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: third and fourth round picks, right, you know, they had 471 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: really good college Big Ten careers. Yeah, and frankly, shame 472 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: on me. I have no clue if they've become special 473 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: teamers or not. For their sake, they have to. Maybe 474 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: that's why they Maybe they're not quite good enough running 475 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: back to do the Benny Snell third running back slash 476 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 3: real good special teamer and if not, then they're not 477 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 3: long for the league. But that's what I kind of 478 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 3: like about them, is it's now or never for these 479 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: dudes and their third and fourth round picks. They can 480 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 3: carry the football and might have good preseasons. 481 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: Well, you say third running back, but Jalen Moore and 482 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: Kenneth Gamewell that's thing, and Caleb Johnson our team team 483 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: right right? 484 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 3: Exactly? Yeah, I guess that's the wrong way of phrasing it. 485 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: Snell was a third running back. They can't get to 486 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: that point without an injury, but they could hang around, 487 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: and we know people get hurt that position. They could 488 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 3: revitalize their career. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something. There 489 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: might be something there with those guys. 490 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: The wild card to me and maybe a stash him 491 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: on the practice squad is Max Hurlman. 492 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 3: He's another Dame kid. 493 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: Huh, another Dame kid. Okay, catches the ball really well. Yeah, 494 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: and they were utilizing him in a lot of different 495 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 2: ways at OTA's in mini camp. 496 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 3: It's funny you you brought him up a couple of 497 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: weeks ago. I'd never heard his name before in my life, 498 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 3: and someone tweeted me directly. He knows I have a 499 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: connection with Ross Tucker and I used to host a 500 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: podcast together. He went to Ross's high school in Why 501 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: I Was Missing Pa or whatever the wrong side of 502 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: the state, and he had him on the show and 503 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 3: so I listened to it. He's super easy to root for, Yeah, 504 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 3: I mean he is a do it all, Taysom Hillish 505 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: kind of guy. Almost. I'm sure he'll do all the 506 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: special team stuff, tough as could be. Went to Notre Dame. 507 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't like a nobody. He's definitely gonna 508 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: be somebody we'll talk about a camp. 509 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. 510 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: I didn't realize he was with the running backs because 511 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 3: he will run routes too. Yeah, so he's an interesting dude. 512 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: He may be in like direct competition with quarter All Patterson. 513 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: I'm shot Patterson still on the team. They haven't needed 514 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 3: the money. Maybe I'm just off base on that. I 515 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: thought he would be one of the first cuts, but 516 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: he isn't. Okay, Yeah, I'm not saying he's bad. I 517 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: just thought when there was cap cutting time that he'd 518 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: be one of the first guys to go. Maybe he 519 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 3: still will be. Maybe he won't get the case. It's 520 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: not a ton. Yeah, he is a kick returner. He 521 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 3: has some unique traits. Him and Smith have a history, 522 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 3: and he did well with the Falcons. Maybe he's around. 523 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 3: I don't know. Is he need an injury to make 524 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 3: the team though, I don't know, because I do think 525 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 3: the top three are pretty much sentenced doone. Yeah. Yeah, 526 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: he's not gonna be Gamebow. 527 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: No, it's interesting. It's just it's a again, it's a 528 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: situation where Omar Calm went out and gut not just 529 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: one too many. They might have two or three too many. 530 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, they might. They might the guys that will be 531 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: in the league, and if Gamebells are three, he's a 532 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: different type of three than a Snell or a hammer type. 533 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: But he's been a lot of big games and he's 534 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: had a pretty good career. Yeah. 535 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 536 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 3: If Johnson's a little slow to get it, which I 537 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: know we all just think third round running back, just 538 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: plug him in. He's gonna lead the team in rushing. 539 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 3: He's gonna have speed bumps too. Yeah, rookies take a 540 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: while to get trust. 541 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: And despite his size, game is actually pretty good in protection. 542 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: Yes, and he's he can do some inside runs and 543 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 3: some short yard and stuff for you. That's not he's 544 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 3: not trumbattis no. Yeah, but he's an accomplished number. It 545 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: was Barkley's backup, right, Yeah, I mean on the Super 546 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: Bowl team. That's that's not a nothing pick up. 547 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 548 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, not at all. 549 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: Let's move on here. 550 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 3: And I like the top two. No, he kind of 551 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 3: brushed over the top two, but I think everybody knows. 552 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 2: Everybody knows that. 553 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 3: I think Warren is a better year than last year. 554 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: Moving on to outside linebacker. 555 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: Okay, you got T. J. 556 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: Watt, Alex Highsmith, Nick Herbide, Jeremiah moon Jack Sawyer, Julius Welshoff, 557 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: and Echo Liota. 558 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: I didn't hate Welshoff in camp. 559 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: By the way, he had a good kid. 560 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: Right right. I don't know anything about Leota, but Welshoff 561 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: to me will hang around and be on the field 562 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 3: in preseason games and meaningful snaps and go from there. 563 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: Moon Shirt in like the drafting of Slawyer. That hurts him, 564 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: but you can keep five, you can. And he has 565 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: a strong special teams background. But I don't know if 566 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: he's one of their best special teams or because if 567 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: he isn't, he's in trouble. But maybe he looks on 568 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: somewhere else or practice squads. It I didn't see the 569 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: Sawyer pick coming at all, but boy, it adds up. 570 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: And I don't think it's because they're not going to 571 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: resign Watt and they're going to trade him and all 572 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 3: this Schefter report. What's going to be on the team? 573 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: J What will be a Pittsburgh Steeler for a long time? Yes? 574 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: Yes, forever? Reason since this latest trade, I've been getting 575 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 3: that question left and right, And I know if you 576 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: read Schefter's tweet, he's very very smart of how he 577 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: does it. Yes, is teams are now. People didn't think it. 578 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: Mica could get traded and could watch get traded. Not 579 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: the Steelers are shopping wild or interested in trade at all. 580 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 3: Teams are considering could they get Wash Yeah, put in 581 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: the long way from him leaving town. 582 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: They probably had those talks before any of that stuff 583 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: took place. Yeah, yeah, because you do. 584 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: You're not a good GM if you're not turning over 585 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: those stones, you know, right, if you're the Packers or 586 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 3: the Lions or whoever. I was even asked, I mean like, 587 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: I'm not trading them for the Lions first round pick 588 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 3: or the Packers first round pick. I mean, it's not 589 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: part of the plan. And even this latest trade implies 590 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 3: that it's even less part of the plan. You know, 591 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: like it's not rebuild time at all. You have enough 592 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: assets going forward. I mean, he's not going anywhere, nor 593 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: should he. 594 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: No, Right, you know, when you look at those guys, 595 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: when Pro Football Focus put together their top thirty two 596 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: edge rushers in the league, what high Smith and Herbig, 597 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: we're all in the top thirty two. 598 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: They're on top thirty two. Yeah, and even they're just 599 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 3: their pass rush grade from Pro Football Focus of the 600 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: edge guys, those three were all in the top eight. 601 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: You know, like keep a strength of strength, right, Yeah, 602 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind watts that count going down by five 603 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: percent or high Smith rotate those dudes in, but you're 604 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: loaded up there. It's kind of like the d line conversation. YEA, 605 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: be great up. 606 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: Front, the problem becomes and I think this is why 607 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: they drafted Sawyer. Herbig is not a good run defender. 608 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: No, he says, I'm saying his pants. Yeah, and you 609 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: would still be really, I mean, even though we've even 610 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 3: though there's three then in the top list, Herbig can't 611 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: be an every down player, you know, And that's the problem. 612 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: If if high Smith or Watt stubs a toe let 613 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: alone is out for stretch, he can't be in every 614 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: down defender against the Ravens. 615 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: I think he's fine. He's fine as a run and 616 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: chase guy. 617 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, or for several plays. 618 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but if somebody is running right at him, 619 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: that's problem. That's trouble. 620 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: Somebody's taking on offensive tackle, yeah, that's he's given up 621 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: eighty pounds to them and a lot of power and 622 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: technique and all that stuff too. So again, I didn't 623 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 3: see the Sawyer pick coming, but they kind of told 624 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: us this when they traded for Preston Smith. I didn't 625 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: see the Preston Smith trade, same big body, play the Ravens, 626 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: you know, eat up some snaps, be physical. He's much 627 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 3: different than her Big. You know, watching those two walk 628 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: out on the field together a couple of weeks ago, 629 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: Sawyer and Herbig, they don't look the same. And Sawyer's 630 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 3: not going to bend the edge like them either. 631 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 632 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: Right, But we've talked about this too. Herbig's been a 633 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 3: core special teamer, correct will that keep up? Or is 634 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 3: he getting too valuable for that? 635 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: But if he's a backup, I think Sawyer is not 636 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: going to be a c And that was question special 637 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: because I don't think he ever did at Ohio State 638 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: and he was like a five star recruit and I 639 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure he has no background with that or minimal, 640 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: but he's going to have to. 641 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: I mean, so we'll see. Yeah, I mean, I just 642 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: don't It's not good or bad. It's just didn't complete. 643 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you picked your spots still with her Big. Yeah, 644 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: but I think Sawyer takes on more of that load, 645 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: which may and they're helping a guy like Jeremiah Moon. 646 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: Good. Good If Lawyer struggles as a special team or 647 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 3: Slawyer's gonna make the team, maybe you keep moon right 648 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: at least kephim in the mix and one of the 649 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: two is inactive early on and see how it goes 650 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 3: from there. Yeah, or maybe her big even instead of 651 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 3: being the four core teams, maybe plays two to them. 652 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 3: You know, maybe he's punt team only or whatever, you know, 653 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 3: whatever he's best at or wherever your weak is that. 654 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 3: But he's a good one. I mean he's been to the 655 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: top of the team and special team snaps for a 656 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: couple of years. 657 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: And that's that's why moving back to the running backs, 658 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: I got like DJ Thomas Jones, Yeah, has to show 659 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: that he's good on teams because Connor Hayward is. 660 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 3: He is, He's one of the best two or three, yeah, 661 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 3: five or whatever. He's check that box times a thousand. 662 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: That's the biggest reason to steal her, right, not because 663 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: of his last name or his versatility and. 664 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: Off I still get that question. I get to you know, oh, 665 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 2: Connor Ayward's only on a team because his name's Hayward. 666 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 3: No, no, side note, we haven't gotten to this. But 667 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: speaking of a little bit of nepotism, Brunner is going 668 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 3: to be a core special. 669 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,479 Speaker 2: Team will be a core Yeah. 670 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: Special to me that's his whole existence in the league'll 671 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 3: he could be a Matti Kaevich. 672 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, for a long time, for a long time, right, Yeah, 673 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: so you look at that. I mean, they take that 674 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: very seriously. 675 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 3: Very seriously, and they should. There's a lot of competition 676 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 3: for who are the five guys that are here for 677 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 3: special teams? Yeah, you know, Pierre can play some corner. 678 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 3: He probably didn't love the Ramsey trade, but if he's 679 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 3: one of your gunners, you know, Scronic probably wouldn't love 680 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 3: if they traded for a receiver. But if he's one 681 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 3: of your. 682 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 2: Gunners, you need guys like that on your roster. 683 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 3: I mean, Brunner might have a better chance of being 684 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 3: active on game day than guys drafted ahead of him 685 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: this year. Oh yeah, if he's a great special team 686 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 3: or which he definitely projects to be. 687 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did do unlike Sawyer, he did do a 688 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: lot of special teams tons in Washington. 689 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 3: Right right right, every unit, every unit. And you know, 690 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: Mark's son and all, I mean, you know he knows, 691 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: although not that Sawyer doesn't know how to get on 692 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 3: the field obviously. Yeah, but Brunner was not a five 693 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 3: star recruit. Now go to Ohio State. 694 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that's uh, it's a really good group. 695 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 2: It's deep, it's talented, it got deeper. 696 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 3: Right right, right, you know, So give a nice blend 697 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 3: of guys in their prime and some youth. Herbig's in. 698 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 3: I mean it's two years away, but Herbig's gonna be 699 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 3: hard to resign. 700 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: Yes, someone's gonna throw a bunch of money out him. 701 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and probably will not get a second contract 702 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: with the Steelers, but he might get your third round 703 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 3: pick comp right, you know what I mean? And who 704 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 3: knows what's high Smith and water like at that stage 705 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 3: of his career. It's two years away. That's a lot 706 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 707 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 2: Also, why you draft Sawyer right. 708 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 3: Exactly. I always want to have a cheap rookie contract 709 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 3: guy because your starters are expensive. Yeah. 710 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: You know when you even talk about high Smith, he's really. 711 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 3: Good too, he's very good. Yeah, Yeah, he really is. 712 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 3: He might be the tenth best edge guy in the week. 713 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. So they're pretty loaded there, But Matt, that's going 714 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 2: to do it for today's show. Good stuff. Absolutely, a 715 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 2: lot of fun. Like to thank Brian la Martine had 716 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: a big dog in today. Yeah, absolutely bringing in the 717 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: big guns there but for my partner Matt Williamson. I 718 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: am Dale Lalli. We want to thank you for listening 719 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 2: to this edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio 720 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: Network