WEBVTT - Khamenei Dead After Airstrikes on Iran, Three Service Members Killed in Action 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:10.160 Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. Welcome to the Bloomberg 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:15.920 This Weekend Podcast with David Gura, Christina Raffini, and Elisa Matteo. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.560 Thanks for joining us for today's selection of conversations from 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:20.959 the show. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.479 You can listen to our favorite discussions right here on 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.800 the podcast, but also make sure to join us live 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.960 every Saturday and Sunday morning starting at seven am Easter. 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.760 We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business app, 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:38.240 bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, lifestyle, 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:40.720 and culture. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.040 Over the course of these last two days, we've been 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.200 reporting on these significant strikes on Iran, the fallout from 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.280 them in the region and yes here in the United States, 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.920 and again that latest headline crossing the Bloomberg terminal. Three 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.720 service members killed in action, five have been wounded in 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.800 On that note, I want to bring in Mark Warner, 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:58.840 the Senator from Virginia, the ranking member of the Senate 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.800 Intelligence Committee, whojoins us on this Sunday morning, and sir, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:03.960 I have to start there. We heard the President warn 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:05.560 that this could be something that might happen as a 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.120 result of these strikes. Your reaction to this news on 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.440 this Sunday that there have been casualties as a result 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:11.040 of these strikes. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:13.920 I'm heartbroken for the families. 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:23.200 I know our military will always perform exquisitely. The President 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.440 warned there would be these potential for casualties. This is 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.679 but it begs the bigger question, why did the President 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.400 choose to start this war? 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:36.240 And what are its goals? 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.880 I mean, a week ago we heard the administration talk 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.680 about stopping Iran's nuclear program, which, by the way, the 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:48.120 President claimed had been obliterated seven months ago. Then we 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:52.680 heard the president's people talk about Iran's ballistic missile capability, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.920 ability to shoot missiles at our basis or into Israel, 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:57.440 and now it's. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.600 Evolved into regime change. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.080 So what I know as a member of the Gang 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.960 of Eight on the Intelligence Committee that there was no 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.119 imminent threat to America. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.079 So what are his goals? 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.880 He owes it to not only the families as those three, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.320 to cease service members, there will unfortunately probably be more. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.320 He needs to make the case when you start a 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:32.360 war of choice, why it was so critical and is 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.440 the goal Around's nuclear capability? Is it's the ballistic missiles, 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.760 regime change, And let me acknowledge the fact that the 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.960 Iranian leadership, the Supreme Leader's taken out. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.600 I mean that is good news. I mean, this regime 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:45.800 is awful. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.920 But I can tell you from the intelligence standpoint, we 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:55.720 don't have great visibility about who or what comes next. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.120 So there is a very high probability that you could 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:05.000 have and more violent Iranian leadership come in and replace 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.600 the current leaders. You could have somebody that's even more 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.880 brutal to the Iranian people. And now that the president 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:16.320 is called on the Iranian people to rise up, and 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.040 if they do rise up and they are suddenly butchered 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.720 by the Iranian regime, do we owe an obligation to 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.359 go in on the ground and protect the Iranian people. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.280 This is why our system says before a president chooses 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.360 to go to war, you got to get a declaration, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.840 You've got to get make the case of the American people. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.320 You've got to ask Congress. None of that took place 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.680 as he chose to start this war Friday night. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.080 So snat ward two that point, I mean, we did 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.080 hear the president use war in his speech, which is 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.200 a power of Congress, not of the presidency. In your opinion, 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.000 was this an illegal Act. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.320 I will allow others to debate legality. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.360 What I do know is that the Constitution is clear 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.320 that when you go to war, the president has to 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.600 come before Congress. We don't have We're not in a 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.640 country where there is a single monarchical leader. We are 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:15.640 a democracy with co equal branches of government, and the 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.279 people's representatives, which are the House and the Senate, need 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.280 to weigh in, particularly as we now have crossed the 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:28.800 line into American casualties. And again, our history of wars 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.880 in the Middle East, at least in the last fifty 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:31.440 years is. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:34.000 Not great. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.200 And again the president promised his supporters that he wouldn't 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.239 get into a bunch of wars. This president has taken 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:45.280 eight different military actions in his second term, and ironically 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.960 as well, just a quick point out that when the 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.200 Iranian people rose up in early January and there were 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:55.840 literally hundreds of thousands on the street, the president set 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.080 at that point he might want to back those people, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.880 but he was unable to because the military assets that 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.520 should have been in the region were part of the 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.320 aircraft carry in particular, was off the coast of Venezuela 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.080 on another one of his military forays, and the European 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.760 allies that would normally be with US helping put pressure 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.440 on the Iranian regime were appropriately focused on the President's 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.279 I think crazy folly about trying to take over Greenland. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.919 So the idea that America is going into this conflict 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:32.839 with potentially only Israel I know there are some indications 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.120 of other nations flying, but it sure as heck not 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.200 the coalition of the willing that could have been brought 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.840 to bear if the President had made the case of 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.440 why now and why this was inevitable. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.000 The now late Supreme Leader warned in the run up 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:49.600 to all of this that if there were strikes, there 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.320 would be a regional war that would develop. You were 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.920 one of only a handful of lawmakers who have been 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.120 briefed by this administration. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:57.760 You remember the so called Gang of Eight. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.280 He received a briefing, as we understand it, on Tuesday 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:01.840 around the State of the Union from the Secretary of 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:06.160 State Marco Rubio. I'm very curious how what you were 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.479 briefed on forecasted what has come to pass here in 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.640 the days that have followed from what we've seen here, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.200 the way that this is widened, the prospects of this 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.440 lasting not just days, but maybe weeks or longer. Was 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.039 something that the administration seemed to have weighed going into 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.480 that briefing, that you had a few this and. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:22.680 Was that discussed in the briefing. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.840 Yeah, I can't go into what was discussed in the briefing. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.480 I can't say that there were a series of options. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.200 At that point the President had not made a decision. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.039 I was Do you believe that, sir? 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.839 Do you believe the President had really not made a 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.320 decision at that point. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:44.200 I will accept the word of Secretary Rubio. I was 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:50.000 recontacted on Friday, But the idea of what was driving 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.800 this was it our timeline was at Israel's timeline. You know, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.159 I have a lot of questions about and there were 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:03.479 clear questions raised by many about what happens the day after, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.800 the week after, the month after. I never got an 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:11.080 answer to any of those questions, and quite honestly, I 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.800 don't believe anyone, even in the administration knows the answer 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.520 to what happens next. We do not have that great 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:25.040 of visibility into Iran. This is again where the Israelis do. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.040 But this is where if we had not burned so 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.360 many of our relationships with our European allies who do 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:37.920 have a diplomatic presence in Tehran, more people in country, 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.600 I think we might have had a better visibility about 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.840 what the opposition looks like. It appears to me that 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:50.400 the opposition, while widespread, is not organized in a classic sense. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.920 So I'm not sure the president says rise up and 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.760 take over. I'm not sure who would rise The people 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.560 might rise up, but where is the leadership that takeover 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.240 when I think the more likely scenario may be that 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.480 you even get further hardliners that are going to be 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.160 even more brutal to the Iranian people and may then 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.760 take their proxies all across the region and strike at 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.160 American interest and just to go a. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:18.040 Little bit even further. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:23.360 You know, we have cash battel that the FBI distracted 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.120 flying around the country. We have the Director of National Intelligence, 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.760 Tolsey Gabbard, obsessed about reltigating. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.640 The twenty twenty elections. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.080 You know, what are we doing to make sure that 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.840 Iranian proxies potentially in our country or people inspired by 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.599 Iran or this war aren't going to take actions in 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:44.200 the home land. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.000 I hope that was factored in as well. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.040 You bring up Venezuela, and I think a lot of 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.760 people cautioned ust after that effort to remove the present 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.160 getting Madurou out of Venezuela, that it was not a 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.280 good analogy to look at what might happen in Iran. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.680 But there is the kind of similar sense of vacuum here, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.920 unwillingness of the administration, the Congress, the country to get 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.040 involved on the ground in a place like that. We 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.320 see how that's played out in Venezuela. Effectively, there's been 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.160 a shuffle of leadership, but a lot of the structure 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.560 remains in place. What do you make of the presidence 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.960 entreaty to Iranians that they should kind of make this 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.480 happen on their own. There have been these air strikes. 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.480 What are going to be or what could be the 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.760 forcing factors that do lead to some kind of leadership change. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.600 They're barring having US forces or others there to encourage 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.920 that happening on the ground. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.720 Well, my fear is that the president. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:39.840 Because the military executed the Maduro operation so brilliantly and 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:46.080 the bombing of the Iranian nuclear facilities was carried off extraordinarily, well, 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.240 it obviously didn't obliterate their program since they were trying 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:55.040 to reconstitute. But again it was done in a relatively 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.320 painless way. My fear is that the President thought, well, 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.640 that was easy, let me do this again in Iran. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.040 I think most of the intelligence. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.439 Would overwhelmingly say that will not be as easy. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:11.040 In Iran. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.640 There's not an organized opposition the way there was in Venezuela, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:21.760 the single strike against a single facility back in June, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.640 our bombers took off. But the idea of calling on 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:30.240 the Iranian people to rise up, if they rise up 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:37.160 and they are brutally murdered by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces, 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:43.280 what obligations does America hold to those Iranians who are 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:44.800 responding to the President's call. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:46.360 I don't think. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.800 I don't know the answer to that, and I think 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.000 again it's incumbent upon the President to tell the American people. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.440 On this morning, we learned that three service members have 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.640 been killed in action, five wounded. We have earstlive underline 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.640 of the European Commission warning that the risk of further 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.439 escalation is real. Great to spend some time here with 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.600 the ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Mark 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.320 Warner of Virginia, Thank you very much for your time 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:09.360 and for joining us on Bloomberg this weekend. Stay with 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.360 us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right after this, 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.560 where do you hear from a pair of lawmakers now 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:26.880 members of the House of Representative. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:27.560 You might not know this. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.600 Christina born and raised in Colorado. I was born in Boulder. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.840 We were insistent we get somebody from the centennial state 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.920 here as our guest this hour. Jason Crowe, of course, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.040 Democratic congressman from Aurora and its surrounding environs, joins us. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.680 Now he sits on the Armed Services and Intelligence committees. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:42.840 Congressman crow great to have you with us here on 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.800 this Sunday morning. And I look at the statement that 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.280 you issued after these strikes became public. You said, the 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:53.440 administration owes Congress and Americans' answers. Have you gotten more 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.760 here over these last few hours? And we've seen reports 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.360 this morning if there's going to be a wider briefing 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.880 of lawmakers, including members of your committees in the hour 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:01.800 to come, can you confirm that? And what are you 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.520 hoping to hear from this administration? 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.480 Good to join fellow Colorado's and the answer is, we 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.480 haven't got any answers. And that's a problem, a huge 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.480 problem for me. This is about accountability. Right We spent 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.720 over twenty years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. We 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:21.680 spent trillions of taxpayer dollars, thousands of American lives, tens 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:26.160 of thousands of others who bear the visible and invisible 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.000 scars and burdens of those wars. They ended poorly, and 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.360 that's I think because we stopped debating it. We financed 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:37.120 it with debt. There weren't votes, there wasn't an accountability loop, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.520 and that continues today. We started that same cycle again 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:45.080 of conflict after conflict, without real debate and without a 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.840 real decision by the American people about whether or not 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.559 this is in their best interest. So we're going to 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.560 keep on pushing the Department of Defense and the Administration 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.120 for answers for engagement. My imediate question right now is 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.600 what are we doing to protect our troops, the tens 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.400 of thouss of Americans who are serving in that region, 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.480 who are coming under tremendous assault by missiles and drones, 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.520 and what are we doing to protect that force? 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.240 Congress from the other what are we doing question? I've 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.480 been getting a lot from folks in the last twenty 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.480 four hours, is what is Congress doing? And I know 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.960 there is an upcoming vote. I know Democrats are trying 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.079 to move it forward on the War Powers Act. Even 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:28.080 if that resolution is upheld, does Congress really realistically have 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:32.000 the power to stop this particular president from doing whatever 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.480 he wants to do militarily? 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.800 We do have the power. The question is, as you 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.880 point out, are you willing to take it right? We're 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.480 going to force a vote on Wednesday so that people 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.040 have to stand up and let their constituents know where 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.839 they stand on this issue. You know, thumbs up, thumbs down, right, 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.559 So we need to start taking a role, taking names, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.280 and that's the beginning of that accountability process that I 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.320 was talking about. But Congress has all sorts of power 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.160 if it is willing to use it appropriations, pulling money, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:07.640 pulling funding, putting guardrails on deployments. Congress actually can do 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.360 all of those things. The problem is not whether or 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.920 not it has the power. The problem has been in 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.319 my time in Congress, it's unwillingness to use it, which 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.240 is not just our responsibility, but it's actually our duty 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.400 to do that, to take that power back and to 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.040 put those guardrails in place. So in all of this, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.840 the question is not whether or not the Iranian regime 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.000 was that it was a terror regime, it was awful. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.400 All of those things are true, right, This was a 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:37.960 terrible rogue terrorists supporting regime, It killed American soldiers, destabilized 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.560 the entire Middle Eastern region. All of those things are true. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.200 The question is whether or not this is the right response, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.280 whether or not we should be spending tens of billions 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.440 of US dollars, whether or not regime change is something 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.920 we should be engaged in, and whether it's going to 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.760 actually turn out better for us in the end. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.360 Earlier this morning, we spoke with Eric Watson, our colleague 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.040 wo covers the Capitol. In no doubt he's asked you 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.160 some pressing questions over the course of your career or 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.080 in Congress, and gazing into his crystal ball, he expressed 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.720 some He suggested that perhaps this war resolution isn't going 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.360 to pass, that Democrats are too divided on this issue. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.160 I'm curious, when you look at your caucus, do you 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:13.720 think that it is going to be a piece of 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.800 legislation that gets the wide majority supportive Democrats in the House. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.200 I do think we're going to get a lot of 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.200 support for it. I even think some Republicans are going 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:22.960 to vote for it. I don't think we're all that 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.840 divided on this issue. And people have different views on 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.000 regime change in Iran, but we are pretty united on 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:34.320 this issue of Congress retaking its war powers. Right, Because 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.760 regardless of what you think about any about any one 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:44.560 particular instance Venezuela, Sudan, Iran, Ukraine, what remains true is 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.160 that the American people, Americans really want there to be 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.600 checks and guardrails put in place. They're very tired of 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:56.560 no debate, no public discussion, no votes, no accountability on 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:57.560 all these conflicts. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:57.760 Right. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.720 They actually want us to be thinking about what we're 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.440 doing long term and whether or not it is in 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.760 their core interest. Is it making groceries cheaper? Is it 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.320 protecting them? Is it keeping their families safe? Is it 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.640 reducing the cost of health care? Is it helping them 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.200 afford homes? That is the discussion in the debate that 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.040 has not been happening, and that has to happen, and 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:17.800 that we're going to. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.600 Force to pivot to exactly what you were talking about. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.400 And that's because we do have a midterm coming up, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.520 and all politics are local. Do you think this is 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.000 a liability for the president the longer this conflict continues, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.600 because even in his world there is division about this 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.720 American expansion as in the Don Roa doctrine. Is this 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.560 something that Democrats are going to hit hard against their 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.040 Republican opponents come the midterms? 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.000 Absolutely? You know, I don't Trump realize something on the 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.120 campaign trail, something that I know deeply, and that is 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.440 there is a lot of anger and resentment in working 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.080 class America where I'm from, the people that I grew 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:56.800 up with and the people that I served with and 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.840 I fought with when I went to war in Iraq 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.920 and Afghanistan three times times. People are angry with this 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.960 lack of accountability by endless conflict and it not delivering 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.199 for them. So he actually campaigned as an isolationist. He 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.240 campaigned to end these wars and to end this constant 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.440 cycle of conflict, and now that he's in power, he's 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.399 just perpetuating the same thing. Right, seven countries bombed in 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:24.600 the first year alone, tens of billions of dollars spent 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.840 on these operations, where a lot of Americans are saying, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.159 what are we doing. What are we accomplishing here? What 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:30.120 is the endgame? 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:30.600 Right? 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.760 Because Iraq and Afghanistan, Afghanistan was the same thing. Right, 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.840 we won. Here's an important point. We won every single 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.400 battle in the wars in Iraq in Afghanistan. We didn't 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.840 lose a single engagement, a single battle. We won all 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:45.240 of them. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:45.680 Right. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.520 But we lost the wars in the end, right, It's 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.480 because we didn't have a strategy, We didn't articulate what 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.720 our interests were and what we were doing, and we 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.800 didn't have an endgame. Right, And we're in the same 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.679 situation here now again, and people are pretty fed up 0:17:59.680 --> 0:17:59.879 with it. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:00.240 Yeah. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.080 I do believe this is going to blow back on 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.720 the President, and we're going to see who's willing to 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.760 stand up and try to end the cycle of madness 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.359 versus those who are going to perpetuate it. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.560 Harkson Jason Crowe joining us on this Sunday head of 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.359 that briefing he's scheduled to get from the Administration and 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.159 that vote on war powers in the House later this 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:17.840 week Wednesday. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.800 Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:37.320 after this, we're going to turn now to the Great 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.880 State of Texas and Representative Mike McCall. He, of course, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.359 serves on the Foreign Affairs and Homeland Security Committees and 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.840 is the Chairman Ameritus of Foreign Affairs. Congress than, thank 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.400 you so much for joining us. I know you're having 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.120 a busy day. I believe we are your inaugural zoom 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.879 interview on television. We are very very grateful for that, 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.560 and thank you to those who helped make this happen. 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:02.000 But I didn't know if you could here, Congressman Crow 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.560 his criticism towards the end, there is that in this 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:10.040 campaign there's no strategy and there's no endgame. What is 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.240 the president's strategy in Iran? Do you understand what it 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:14.359 is and do you support it? 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.920 Well, first, it's great to be on your inaugural Sunday show. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:23.320 Thank you. You know, I think, look, the presidents trying 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.560 to negotiate, just like Maduro, the Iranians are very deceptive. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.800 They're not good faith negotiators. I believe in his mind 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.640 he knew at the end of the day couldn't trust them, 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:34.000 and he went. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:34.800 To Plan B. 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.960 This was what was interesting to me is the targets. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:42.679 It was no longer about inviscerting the nuclear sites, but 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.399 rather going into regime change. I mean to see the 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.960 compound of the Isola just completely blown up. And we 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.040 know that not only was he taken out of his 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:58.879 top advisors and the IRGC, this was a significant event 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.680 and I don't want to diminish the sort of greatness 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.160 of this moment. Since in nineteen seventy nine, there's been 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.479 a dark veil that descended across the Middle East, and 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.399 that shroud has now been lifted and the people of 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.240 Iran now have a chance for freedom and a chance 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.840 to take back their country. And since nineteen seventy nine, 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.640 we've seen what Iran has done as the largest state 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:27.080 sponsor of terror. You know, they've had their proxies and 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:31.000 it's not just Israel. Everybody talks all about Israel. They 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:37.320 also send drones to kill Ukrainians. They also fuel China's 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.760 imperial war war machine. And you know what's interesting, lastly, 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.679 Christina is you know the typical allies here. They have 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.920 completely turned off the Gold States from them. I mean, 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:56.080 with this miscalculation of hitting not only our military bases 0:20:56.119 --> 0:21:00.400 but hotels in the Gulf States surrounding Iran. They are 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:04.359 now aligned with the United States and Israel against Iran, 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.159 and where is China and Russia? They're nowhere to be found. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:14.680 So I understand a veterans standpoint Iraq Afghanistan. I understand 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.080 all that. The difference is Iran is all alone now 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.920 and there's no one there to save them, and their 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:27.920 leadership is completely decapitated such that there's no serious governance 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.240 that can take place. I do think it's time for 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.679 the people rise up. I think the big question for 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.840 me is what do we have in place to help 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:36.560 these people? 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:37.360 Right? 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.320 So, what is Israel doing? 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:40.960