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Welcome to the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: This Weekend Podcast with David Gura, Christina Raffini, and Elisa Matteo. 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for today's selection of conversations from 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: the show. 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 3: You can listen to our favorite discussions right here on 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 3: the podcast, but also make sure to join us live 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: every Saturday and Sunday morning starting at seven am Easter. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 4: We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business app, 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 4: bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, lifestyle, 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 4: and culture. 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: Over the course of these last two days, we've been 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: reporting on these significant strikes on Iran, the fallout from 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: them in the region and yes here in the United States, 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: and again that latest headline crossing the Bloomberg terminal. Three 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: service members killed in action, five have been wounded in 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: On that note, I want to bring in Mark Warner, 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: the Senator from Virginia, the ranking member of the Senate 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: Intelligence Committee, whojoins us on this Sunday morning, and sir, 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: I have to start there. We heard the President warn 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 3: that this could be something that might happen as a 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 3: result of these strikes. Your reaction to this news on 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: this Sunday that there have been casualties as a result 23 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 3: of these strikes. 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 5: I'm heartbroken for the families. 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 6: I know our military will always perform exquisitely. The President 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 6: warned there would be these potential for casualties. This is 27 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 6: but it begs the bigger question, why did the President 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 6: choose to start this war? 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 5: And what are its goals? 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 6: I mean, a week ago we heard the administration talk 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 6: about stopping Iran's nuclear program, which, by the way, the 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 6: President claimed had been obliterated seven months ago. Then we 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 6: heard the president's people talk about Iran's ballistic missile capability, 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 6: ability to shoot missiles at our basis or into Israel, 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 6: and now it's. 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 5: Evolved into regime change. 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 6: So what I know as a member of the Gang 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 6: of Eight on the Intelligence Committee that there was no 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 6: imminent threat to America. 40 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 5: So what are his goals? 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 6: He owes it to not only the families as those three, 42 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 6: to cease service members, there will unfortunately probably be more. 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 6: He needs to make the case when you start a 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 6: war of choice, why it was so critical and is 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 6: the goal Around's nuclear capability? Is it's the ballistic missiles, 46 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 6: regime change, And let me acknowledge the fact that the 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 6: Iranian leadership, the Supreme Leader's taken out. 48 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 5: I mean that is good news. I mean, this regime 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 5: is awful. 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 6: But I can tell you from the intelligence standpoint, we 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 6: don't have great visibility about who or what comes next. 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 6: So there is a very high probability that you could 53 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 6: have and more violent Iranian leadership come in and replace 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 6: the current leaders. You could have somebody that's even more 55 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 6: brutal to the Iranian people. And now that the president 56 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 6: is called on the Iranian people to rise up, and 57 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 6: if they do rise up and they are suddenly butchered 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 6: by the Iranian regime, do we owe an obligation to 59 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 6: go in on the ground and protect the Iranian people. 60 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 6: This is why our system says before a president chooses 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 6: to go to war, you got to get a declaration, 62 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 6: You've got to get make the case of the American people. 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 6: You've got to ask Congress. None of that took place 64 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 6: as he chose to start this war Friday night. 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: So snat ward two that point, I mean, we did 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: hear the president use war in his speech, which is 67 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: a power of Congress, not of the presidency. In your opinion, 68 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: was this an illegal Act. 69 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 5: I will allow others to debate legality. 70 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 6: What I do know is that the Constitution is clear 71 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 6: that when you go to war, the president has to 72 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 6: come before Congress. We don't have We're not in a 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 6: country where there is a single monarchical leader. We are 74 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 6: a democracy with co equal branches of government, and the 75 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 6: people's representatives, which are the House and the Senate, need 76 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 6: to weigh in, particularly as we now have crossed the 77 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 6: line into American casualties. And again, our history of wars 78 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 6: in the Middle East, at least in the last fifty 79 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 6: years is. 80 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 5: Not great. 81 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 6: And again the president promised his supporters that he wouldn't 82 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 6: get into a bunch of wars. This president has taken 83 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 6: eight different military actions in his second term, and ironically 84 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 6: as well, just a quick point out that when the 85 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 6: Iranian people rose up in early January and there were 86 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 6: literally hundreds of thousands on the street, the president set 87 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 6: at that point he might want to back those people, 88 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 6: but he was unable to because the military assets that 89 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 6: should have been in the region were part of the 90 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 6: aircraft carry in particular, was off the coast of Venezuela 91 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 6: on another one of his military forays, and the European 92 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 6: allies that would normally be with US helping put pressure 93 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 6: on the Iranian regime were appropriately focused on the President's 94 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 6: I think crazy folly about trying to take over Greenland. 95 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 6: So the idea that America is going into this conflict 96 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 6: with potentially only Israel I know there are some indications 97 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 6: of other nations flying, but it sure as heck not 98 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 6: the coalition of the willing that could have been brought 99 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 6: to bear if the President had made the case of 100 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 6: why now and why this was inevitable. 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: The now late Supreme Leader warned in the run up 102 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: to all of this that if there were strikes, there 103 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: would be a regional war that would develop. You were 104 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: one of only a handful of lawmakers who have been 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: briefed by this administration. 106 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 5: You remember the so called Gang of Eight. 107 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: He received a briefing, as we understand it, on Tuesday 108 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 3: around the State of the Union from the Secretary of 109 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: State Marco Rubio. I'm very curious how what you were 110 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 3: briefed on forecasted what has come to pass here in 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: the days that have followed from what we've seen here, 112 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: the way that this is widened, the prospects of this 113 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: lasting not just days, but maybe weeks or longer. Was 114 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 3: something that the administration seemed to have weighed going into 115 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: that briefing, that you had a few this and. 116 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: Was that discussed in the briefing. 117 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't go into what was discussed in the briefing. 118 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 6: I can't say that there were a series of options. 119 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 6: At that point the President had not made a decision. 120 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 5: I was Do you believe that, sir? 121 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: Do you believe the President had really not made a 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: decision at that point. 123 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 6: I will accept the word of Secretary Rubio. I was 124 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 6: recontacted on Friday, But the idea of what was driving 125 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 6: this was it our timeline was at Israel's timeline. You know, 126 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 6: I have a lot of questions about and there were 127 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 6: clear questions raised by many about what happens the day after, 128 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 6: the week after, the month after. I never got an 129 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 6: answer to any of those questions, and quite honestly, I 130 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 6: don't believe anyone, even in the administration knows the answer 131 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 6: to what happens next. We do not have that great 132 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 6: of visibility into Iran. This is again where the Israelis do. 133 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 6: But this is where if we had not burned so 134 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 6: many of our relationships with our European allies who do 135 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 6: have a diplomatic presence in Tehran, more people in country, 136 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 6: I think we might have had a better visibility about 137 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 6: what the opposition looks like. It appears to me that 138 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 6: the opposition, while widespread, is not organized in a classic sense. 139 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 6: So I'm not sure the president says rise up and 140 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 6: take over. I'm not sure who would rise The people 141 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 6: might rise up, but where is the leadership that takeover 142 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 6: when I think the more likely scenario may be that 143 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 6: you even get further hardliners that are going to be 144 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 6: even more brutal to the Iranian people and may then 145 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 6: take their proxies all across the region and strike at 146 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 6: American interest and just to go a. 147 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 5: Little bit even further. 148 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 6: You know, we have cash battel that the FBI distracted 149 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 6: flying around the country. We have the Director of National Intelligence, 150 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 6: Tolsey Gabbard, obsessed about reltigating. 151 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 5: The twenty twenty elections. 152 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 6: You know, what are we doing to make sure that 153 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 6: Iranian proxies potentially in our country or people inspired by 154 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 6: Iran or this war aren't going to take actions in 155 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 6: the home land. 156 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 5: I hope that was factored in as well. 157 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: You bring up Venezuela, and I think a lot of 158 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: people cautioned ust after that effort to remove the present 159 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: getting Madurou out of Venezuela, that it was not a 160 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: good analogy to look at what might happen in Iran. 161 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 3: But there is the kind of similar sense of vacuum here, 162 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: unwillingness of the administration, the Congress, the country to get 163 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: involved on the ground in a place like that. We 164 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: see how that's played out in Venezuela. Effectively, there's been 165 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: a shuffle of leadership, but a lot of the structure 166 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: remains in place. What do you make of the presidence 167 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: entreaty to Iranians that they should kind of make this 168 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: happen on their own. There have been these air strikes. 169 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: What are going to be or what could be the 170 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: forcing factors that do lead to some kind of leadership change. 171 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: They're barring having US forces or others there to encourage 172 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: that happening on the ground. 173 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 5: Well, my fear is that the president. 174 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 6: Because the military executed the Maduro operation so brilliantly and 175 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 6: the bombing of the Iranian nuclear facilities was carried off extraordinarily, well, 176 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 6: it obviously didn't obliterate their program since they were trying 177 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 6: to reconstitute. But again it was done in a relatively 178 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 6: painless way. My fear is that the President thought, well, 179 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 6: that was easy, let me do this again in Iran. 180 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 5: I think most of the intelligence. 181 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 6: Would overwhelmingly say that will not be as easy. 182 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 5: In Iran. 183 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 6: There's not an organized opposition the way there was in Venezuela, 184 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 6: the single strike against a single facility back in June, 185 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 6: our bombers took off. But the idea of calling on 186 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 6: the Iranian people to rise up, if they rise up 187 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 6: and they are brutally murdered by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces, 188 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 6: what obligations does America hold to those Iranians who are 189 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 6: responding to the President's call. 190 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 5: I don't think. 191 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 6: I don't know the answer to that, and I think 192 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 6: again it's incumbent upon the President to tell the American people. 193 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: On this morning, we learned that three service members have 194 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: been killed in action, five wounded. We have earstlive underline 195 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: of the European Commission warning that the risk of further 196 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 3: escalation is real. Great to spend some time here with 197 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: the ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Mark 198 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: Warner of Virginia, Thank you very much for your time 199 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: and for joining us on Bloomberg this weekend. Stay with 200 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right after this, 201 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: where do you hear from a pair of lawmakers now 202 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: members of the House of Representative. 203 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 7: You might not know this. 204 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: Christina born and raised in Colorado. I was born in Boulder. 205 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: We were insistent we get somebody from the centennial state 206 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: here as our guest this hour. Jason Crowe, of course, 207 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: Democratic congressman from Aurora and its surrounding environs, joins us. 208 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: Now he sits on the Armed Services and Intelligence committees. 209 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: Congressman crow great to have you with us here on 210 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: this Sunday morning. And I look at the statement that 211 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: you issued after these strikes became public. You said, the 212 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: administration owes Congress and Americans' answers. Have you gotten more 213 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: here over these last few hours? And we've seen reports 214 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: this morning if there's going to be a wider briefing 215 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: of lawmakers, including members of your committees in the hour 216 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: to come, can you confirm that? And what are you 217 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: hoping to hear from this administration? 218 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 8: Good to join fellow Colorado's and the answer is, we 219 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 8: haven't got any answers. And that's a problem, a huge 220 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 8: problem for me. This is about accountability. Right We spent 221 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 8: over twenty years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. We 222 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 8: spent trillions of taxpayer dollars, thousands of American lives, tens 223 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 8: of thousands of others who bear the visible and invisible 224 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 8: scars and burdens of those wars. They ended poorly, and 225 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 8: that's I think because we stopped debating it. We financed 226 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 8: it with debt. There weren't votes, there wasn't an accountability loop, 227 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 8: and that continues today. We started that same cycle again 228 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 8: of conflict after conflict, without real debate and without a 229 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 8: real decision by the American people about whether or not 230 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 8: this is in their best interest. So we're going to 231 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 8: keep on pushing the Department of Defense and the Administration 232 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 8: for answers for engagement. My imediate question right now is 233 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 8: what are we doing to protect our troops, the tens 234 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 8: of thouss of Americans who are serving in that region, 235 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 8: who are coming under tremendous assault by missiles and drones, 236 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 8: and what are we doing to protect that force? 237 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: Congress from the other what are we doing question? I've 238 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: been getting a lot from folks in the last twenty 239 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: four hours, is what is Congress doing? And I know 240 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: there is an upcoming vote. I know Democrats are trying 241 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: to move it forward on the War Powers Act. Even 242 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: if that resolution is upheld, does Congress really realistically have 243 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: the power to stop this particular president from doing whatever 244 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: he wants to do militarily? 245 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 8: We do have the power. The question is, as you 246 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 8: point out, are you willing to take it right? We're 247 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 8: going to force a vote on Wednesday so that people 248 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 8: have to stand up and let their constituents know where 249 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 8: they stand on this issue. You know, thumbs up, thumbs down, right, 250 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 8: So we need to start taking a role, taking names, 251 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 8: and that's the beginning of that accountability process that I 252 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 8: was talking about. But Congress has all sorts of power 253 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 8: if it is willing to use it appropriations, pulling money, 254 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 8: pulling funding, putting guardrails on deployments. Congress actually can do 255 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 8: all of those things. The problem is not whether or 256 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 8: not it has the power. The problem has been in 257 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 8: my time in Congress, it's unwillingness to use it, which 258 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 8: is not just our responsibility, but it's actually our duty 259 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 8: to do that, to take that power back and to 260 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 8: put those guardrails in place. So in all of this, 261 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 8: the question is not whether or not the Iranian regime 262 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 8: was that it was a terror regime, it was awful. 263 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 8: All of those things are true, right, This was a 264 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 8: terrible rogue terrorists supporting regime, It killed American soldiers, destabilized 265 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 8: the entire Middle Eastern region. All of those things are true. 266 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 8: The question is whether or not this is the right response, 267 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 8: whether or not we should be spending tens of billions 268 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 8: of US dollars, whether or not regime change is something 269 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 8: we should be engaged in, and whether it's going to 270 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 8: actually turn out better for us in the end. 271 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: Earlier this morning, we spoke with Eric Watson, our colleague 272 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: wo covers the Capitol. In no doubt he's asked you 273 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 3: some pressing questions over the course of your career or 274 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: in Congress, and gazing into his crystal ball, he expressed 275 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: some He suggested that perhaps this war resolution isn't going 276 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: to pass, that Democrats are too divided on this issue. 277 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: I'm curious, when you look at your caucus, do you 278 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: think that it is going to be a piece of 279 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: legislation that gets the wide majority supportive Democrats in the House. 280 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 8: I do think we're going to get a lot of 281 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 8: support for it. I even think some Republicans are going 282 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 8: to vote for it. I don't think we're all that 283 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 8: divided on this issue. And people have different views on 284 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 8: regime change in Iran, but we are pretty united on 285 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 8: this issue of Congress retaking its war powers. Right, Because 286 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 8: regardless of what you think about any about any one 287 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 8: particular instance Venezuela, Sudan, Iran, Ukraine, what remains true is 288 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 8: that the American people, Americans really want there to be 289 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 8: checks and guardrails put in place. They're very tired of 290 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 8: no debate, no public discussion, no votes, no accountability on 291 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 8: all these conflicts. 292 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 5: Right. 293 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 8: They actually want us to be thinking about what we're 294 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 8: doing long term and whether or not it is in 295 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 8: their core interest. Is it making groceries cheaper? Is it 296 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 8: protecting them? Is it keeping their families safe? Is it 297 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 8: reducing the cost of health care? Is it helping them 298 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 8: afford homes? That is the discussion in the debate that 299 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 8: has not been happening, and that has to happen, and 300 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 8: that we're going to. 301 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: Force to pivot to exactly what you were talking about. 302 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: And that's because we do have a midterm coming up, 303 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: and all politics are local. Do you think this is 304 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: a liability for the president the longer this conflict continues, 305 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: because even in his world there is division about this 306 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: American expansion as in the Don Roa doctrine. Is this 307 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: something that Democrats are going to hit hard against their 308 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: Republican opponents come the midterms? 309 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 8: Absolutely? You know, I don't Trump realize something on the 310 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 8: campaign trail, something that I know deeply, and that is 311 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 8: there is a lot of anger and resentment in working 312 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 8: class America where I'm from, the people that I grew 313 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 8: up with and the people that I served with and 314 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 8: I fought with when I went to war in Iraq 315 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 8: and Afghanistan three times times. People are angry with this 316 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 8: lack of accountability by endless conflict and it not delivering 317 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 8: for them. So he actually campaigned as an isolationist. He 318 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 8: campaigned to end these wars and to end this constant 319 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 8: cycle of conflict, and now that he's in power, he's 320 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 8: just perpetuating the same thing. Right, seven countries bombed in 321 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 8: the first year alone, tens of billions of dollars spent 322 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 8: on these operations, where a lot of Americans are saying, 323 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 8: what are we doing. What are we accomplishing here? What 324 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 8: is the endgame? 325 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 5: Right? 326 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 8: Because Iraq and Afghanistan, Afghanistan was the same thing. Right, 327 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 8: we won. Here's an important point. We won every single 328 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 8: battle in the wars in Iraq in Afghanistan. We didn't 329 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 8: lose a single engagement, a single battle. We won all 330 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 8: of them. 331 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 6: Right. 332 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 8: But we lost the wars in the end, right, It's 333 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 8: because we didn't have a strategy, We didn't articulate what 334 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 8: our interests were and what we were doing, and we 335 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 8: didn't have an endgame. Right, And we're in the same 336 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 8: situation here now again, and people are pretty fed up 337 00:17:59,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 8: with it. 338 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 6: Yeah. 339 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 8: I do believe this is going to blow back on 340 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 8: the President, and we're going to see who's willing to 341 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 8: stand up and try to end the cycle of madness 342 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 8: versus those who are going to perpetuate it. 343 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: Harkson Jason Crowe joining us on this Sunday head of 344 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: that briefing he's scheduled to get from the Administration and 345 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 3: that vote on war powers in the House later this 346 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: week Wednesday. 347 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right 348 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: after this, we're going to turn now to the Great 349 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: State of Texas and Representative Mike McCall. He, of course, 350 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: serves on the Foreign Affairs and Homeland Security Committees and 351 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: is the Chairman Ameritus of Foreign Affairs. Congress than, thank 352 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. I know you're having 353 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: a busy day. I believe we are your inaugural zoom 354 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: interview on television. We are very very grateful for that, 355 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: and thank you to those who helped make this happen. 356 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: But I didn't know if you could here, Congressman Crow 357 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: his criticism towards the end, there is that in this 358 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: campaign there's no strategy and there's no endgame. What is 359 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: the president's strategy in Iran? Do you understand what it 360 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: is and do you support it? 361 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 7: Well, first, it's great to be on your inaugural Sunday show. 362 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 7: Thank you. You know, I think, look, the presidents trying 363 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 7: to negotiate, just like Maduro, the Iranians are very deceptive. 364 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 7: They're not good faith negotiators. I believe in his mind 365 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 7: he knew at the end of the day couldn't trust them, 366 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 7: and he went. 367 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 5: To Plan B. 368 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 7: This was what was interesting to me is the targets. 369 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 7: It was no longer about inviscerting the nuclear sites, but 370 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 7: rather going into regime change. I mean to see the 371 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 7: compound of the Isola just completely blown up. And we 372 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 7: know that not only was he taken out of his 373 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 7: top advisors and the IRGC, this was a significant event 374 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 7: and I don't want to diminish the sort of greatness 375 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 7: of this moment. Since in nineteen seventy nine, there's been 376 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 7: a dark veil that descended across the Middle East, and 377 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 7: that shroud has now been lifted and the people of 378 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 7: Iran now have a chance for freedom and a chance 379 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 7: to take back their country. And since nineteen seventy nine, 380 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 7: we've seen what Iran has done as the largest state 381 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 7: sponsor of terror. You know, they've had their proxies and 382 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 7: it's not just Israel. Everybody talks all about Israel. They 383 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 7: also send drones to kill Ukrainians. They also fuel China's 384 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 7: imperial war war machine. And you know what's interesting, lastly, 385 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 7: Christina is you know the typical allies here. They have 386 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 7: completely turned off the Gold States from them. I mean, 387 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 7: with this miscalculation of hitting not only our military bases 388 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 7: but hotels in the Gulf States surrounding Iran. They are 389 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 7: now aligned with the United States and Israel against Iran, 390 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 7: and where is China and Russia? They're nowhere to be found. 391 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 7: So I understand a veterans standpoint Iraq Afghanistan. I understand 392 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 7: all that. The difference is Iran is all alone now 393 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 7: and there's no one there to save them, and their 394 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 7: leadership is completely decapitated such that there's no serious governance 395 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 7: that can take place. I do think it's time for 396 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 7: the people rise up. I think the big question for 397 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 7: me is what do we have in place to help 398 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 7: these people? 399 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 5: Right? 400 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 7: So, what is Israel doing? 401 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: Let me go there if I could, because that's my 402 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 3: question of the morning, which is the government maybe out? 403 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: You have this vacuum. How does the US encourage that 404 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: to happen here without boots on the ground, which I think, 405 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: dare I say you and others in the Congress are 406 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: probably reluctant to have be the case going forward here? 407 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 3: How does the US and Israel encourage the growth of 408 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: a new administration, new government in Iran? Barring that? 409 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 7: That's a great question. I think it is the question 410 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 7: of the hour. I think we got us in trouble 411 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 7: in Iraq. If I can go back to Iraq, in Afghanistan, 412 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 7: we had a chance to kill Ben Laanen early on, 413 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 7: and we missed him. Here we did, we killed the Ayatola. 414 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 7: He has gone. Our presence there voked to the Jahadas. 415 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 7: So it was our boots on the ground in Iraq 416 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 7: and Afghanistian that drew like a magnet. The jahadis to us, 417 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 7: We're not going to see that in this case. And 418 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 7: I have to think that Israel is probably the one 419 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 7: in the best position to effectuate, you know, help with 420 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 7: not only communications but weapons and leadership, and those are 421 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 7: the three elements I talk about a lot. I don't 422 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 7: know who the next leader of Iran's going to be. 423 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 7: I don't see weapons right now, but that's possible. In 424 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 7: the communications, we got to get star Link in there. 425 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 7: I know they were trying to, but Iran was taking 426 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 7: out those you know, those terminals. I think that's going 427 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 7: to be a big change when Starling gets back up 428 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 7: and they can communicate amongst themselves. 429 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: Now. 430 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 7: I remember the last strike in the day or the 431 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 7: ten day War or whatever it was that, you know, 432 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 7: I was surprised at what the presence of the assets 433 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 7: Israel had on the ground in Ron to take out 434 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 7: these targets. Yeah, and I think everyone in the intelligence 435 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 7: community was equally surprised by the presence they had. So 436 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 7: I do think Israel's probably in the better position. If 437 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 7: it does need boots on the ground, certainly Israel's better. 438 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 7: I don't see this present putting American boots on the ground. 439 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 5: Chustin. 440 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, there's been some reporting that 441 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: members of Congress are going to be getting some briefings, 442 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: maybe as soon as today or tomorrow. I'm wondering if 443 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 2: there's anything you can say about that. What briefings are 444 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: information you've received from the White House so far. And 445 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: then I also want to ask you about this War 446 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: Powers resolution that some of your colleagues are trying to 447 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: send to the floor, and whether or not you're supported. 448 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 7: Sure, so a couple of things, More Powers Act has 449 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 7: been invoked. This was a military the use of our 450 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 7: military in the foreign land in a strike situation. So 451 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 7: that prong has been fulfilled. Therefore, within forty eight hours 452 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 7: of notification has to come to the Congress notifying us 453 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 7: of the circumstances, the legal justification, and the extent and 454 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 7: duration of the conflict. If the conflict exceeds sixty days, 455 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 7: it needs authorization from Congress. Now Congress can do that 456 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 7: prior typically it has not in the past. We do 457 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 7: have briefings scheduled this week that will be classified briefings 458 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 7: in what's called the skiff, that's a classified briefing space. 459 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: Information will you be looking for in those briefings? What 460 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: questions do you have for the administration? 461 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 7: I think for me next steps? Look, this was once again, 462 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 7: like Venezuela, a masterful military executed plan, flawless, no Americans 463 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 7: that were killed. What I'm looking for is what's the 464 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 7: overall objective moving forward. It's clearly not just taking out 465 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 7: military sites now it's about regime change, and I would 466 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 7: like to know what objectives are in hand and what 467 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 7: is what are the next steps in place? And how 468 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 7: long we're all all involvement take place? If I can say, 469 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 7: as Chairman of Foreign Affairs Committee, I was trying to 470 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 7: update these old aumfs from the two thousand and one. Yeah, 471 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 7: Jason Crow is part of the thing. The sticking point, 472 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 7: Christina was I couldn't get the left or the right 473 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 7: to agree to add Iran and their proxies on to 474 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 7: the two. 475 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 5: Thousand Conerson, we got to go. 476 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, thank you so much for taking time 477 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: with us. We really appreciate it. 478 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 4: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right 479 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 4: after this, we're talking. 480 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 3: A lot about politics, yes here in the US, the 481 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: fallout from these strikes over the weekend, of politics in 482 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: the region in Iran as well. And I want to 483 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: bring in to Garshimali, formerly of the US Mission to 484 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 3: the UN, now affiliated with the Atlantic Council and with 485 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 3: Columbia University. She's here on set with us along with 486 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: Joe Matthew, the anchor of Balance of Power on Jeff Mason, 487 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: our White House correspondent here at Bloomberg News regard, let me. 488 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 5: Turn to you. 489 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about the vacuum that's erupting here, 490 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: the Supreme Leader killed in these attacks and what might 491 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: happen next. The President of the United States encouraging Iranians 492 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: to step up and take advantage of this opportunity. How 493 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 3: are you watching and thinking through what's happening on the 494 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: ground now and what's going to film inn to perhaps 495 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: lead to some major changes here and iron going forward. 496 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 9: Sure, well, there are three things that I'd be looking for. 497 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 9: So first, is one for greater protests and are those 498 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 9: protests are going to They're going to grow. We've seen 499 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 9: a lot of Iranians celebrating in the streets. You've also 500 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 9: seen some Iranians going at the US embassy and protesting 501 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 9: the other way. But when when it comes to Iran, 502 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 9: it's hard to know when they express support for the regime, 503 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 9: if they're paid, if they're scared, or if you know 504 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 9: how genuine it is. So one thing we'll be looking 505 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 9: for is protests, celebrations, how big those become. Another thing 506 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 9: I'd be looking for is the direction of the IRGC. 507 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 5: So we're hearing some stories. 508 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 9: And I don't want to over emphasize these, but small 509 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 9: stories of low level defections, folks that won't fire on 510 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 9: people and such. When you have that, it's showing cracks 511 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 9: and fissures in the IRGC. You want to see more 512 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 9: of that to indicate that the regime is going to fall, 513 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 9: because a dictator is only as strong as the military 514 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 9: is loyal. Now there is no real dictator. There is 515 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 9: a new named newly named Ayatola. But that said, there's 516 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 9: the leadership has been decapitated. As Representative McCall said, so 517 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 9: hard to see what that really, what really happens there 518 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 9: so IRGC and then the third and this is a 519 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 9: really important one that I don't think receives enough attention 520 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 9: except on Bloomberg, which is the economic situation which has 521 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 9: been done yeah, super higher in Iran. In October, one 522 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 9: of their biggest banks, Bank Ayande Bank, collapsed. It's the 523 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 9: regime absorbed it into Bank Melli, a state run one 524 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 9: of the biggest lenders in Iran. They printed Rial's inflation skyrocketed. 525 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 9: That is what precipitated the protests. And there are about 526 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 9: five other banks that are about to face very similar situations. 527 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 9: So when you have an implosion like that, it means 528 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 9: the regime doesn't have an economic leg to stand on. 529 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: I want to ask you what we know about popular 530 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: sentiment in Iran. It's obviously not a place that we're 531 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: going to be getting very accurate or even possible pulling. 532 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: So we have these two camps, if you're mentioning, we 533 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: have people inside Iran who are hemmed in by not 534 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: being able to speak out openly in the regime. At 535 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: the moment, internet and phones I've been cut. I was 536 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: talking to a friend. She hasn't talked to her family 537 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: in twenty four hours. She doesn't know if they're in 538 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: the city. You just know if they're outside of the city. 539 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: And you have this very vocal XPAC community, many of 540 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: them in the including the Shaw's son, who has been 541 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: making videos and would very much like to sweep back 542 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: into power. Is that at all a possibility? Is there 543 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: a third player in addition to folks inside the regime 544 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: who would be naming themselves the new leader, former Shaw's son. 545 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: Is there a third player in there or is that yet. 546 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 5: To be determined? 547 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 6: Now? 548 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 9: This yet to be to be determined. I would say 549 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 9: so the Shaw's son, I would I'm personally loath to 550 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 9: endorse any one person, and in particular the we're for endorsements, right, 551 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 9: or the son of a former monarch too, right exactly. 552 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: I mean, this was not a flawless regime, and there 553 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: seems to be a little retrofitting of history going on 554 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: among his supporters, right. 555 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 9: And I could see that, you know. And I met 556 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 9: him actually at the Munich Security Conference, and he's very 557 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 9: well spoken, very smart. He's been in the United States 558 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 9: since he was literally seventeen years old. 559 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 5: And he seems to have a. 560 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 9: Great vision for how things could unfold now. So, but 561 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 9: I can't speak to I don't know if the majority 562 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 9: of the Iranian people support him. We do know that 563 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 9: he has some support, He has very strong support outside. 564 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 9: He does have some support inside. But that said, he 565 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 9: has talked about anyway that he would if if he 566 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 9: were the one to try and install a constitutional monarchy 567 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 9: and bring in democratic reforms, that he would bring in 568 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 9: a very diverse group, you know, representing the diverse elements 569 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 9: of Iran. So there's hope there. He has met with 570 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 9: the White House several times, but there also you can 571 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 9: see very loath to endorse any one person, in particular 572 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 9: Jeff Mason. 573 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 3: Let me ask you about what the president wants to 574 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: see happen here. I'm going to go out on a 575 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: limb and bet that he's been scrolling through social media 576 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: as we all haven't seen these videos pop up of 577 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: dubious legitimacy. Who knows if they're real or not. We 578 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: have verified all of them, some of the protests and 579 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: celebrations that Gar's talking about just a moment to go. 580 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 3: What does he want exactly? What does he want this 581 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: to lead to in Iran? 582 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 10: I don't have the answer to that, because I'm not 583 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 10: sure that he does I'm going to say, does he 584 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 10: have the answers exactly? I think that. I mean, it's 585 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 10: a good question. He indicated in one of the interviews 586 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 10: that he did that the US could sort of sweep in, 587 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 10: or the US could wait and watch how things happen 588 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 10: and come back back again in three years. I think 589 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 10: he said if Iran were to pursue nuclear weapons again. 590 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 10: So I think it's an ambiguous answer. I think it's 591 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 10: also interesting to compare what happened now and around versus 592 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 10: what the US did in Venezuela, taking out the leader 593 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 10: and then really having what seemed so far to be 594 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 10: a pretty decent relationship with his successor, despite the fact 595 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 10: that they went in and took out Maduro, which of 596 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 10: course the Maduro regime and the government there was not 597 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 10: happy about. So big contrast there, but also big question 598 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 10: marks in terms of what does happen next and what 599 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 10: implications does that have for the country, for the region, 600 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 10: and for the President Trump. 601 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: Jim Matthew, We had John Bolton on the show yesterday 602 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: and he said, this is the most consequential decision of 603 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: President Trump's presidency. 604 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 5: Do you agree with that? 605 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 11: Well, yes, we'll see how that goes in the next 606 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 11: couple of weeks. I mean, I guess there could be 607 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 11: a Venezuela version of this, but that seems to be 608 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 11: pretty unlikely, even if everybody packed. 609 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 5: Up their toys and went home. 610 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 11: Right now, Remember the president a couple of weeks ago 611 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 11: is really interesting following the capture of Maduro and the 612 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 11: questions about, well, why Delsi Rodriguez and he pointed the 613 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 11: debathification of Iraq. This is something I'd love to know 614 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 11: who it was he was talking to the night before 615 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 11: when that was implanted in his brain, because that was 616 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 11: the approach there, and I wonder how that will inform 617 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 11: what's about to happen next in Tehran? 618 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: Can you explain that to those of us who may 619 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 2: not be completely familiar with the debatification? 620 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 5: Is the argument there that they did it wrong? 621 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 11: And this is tu one was Yes, by removing everybody 622 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 11: that made our situation in Iraq worse. Why don't we 623 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 11: keep the people who are there who have institutional knowledge 624 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 11: and maybe we can have a relationship with them. But 625 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 11: to duplicate that in Iran might be frankly impossible. 626 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 3: Kart, Let me draw on your past experience at the 627 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 3: UN at the US mission to the UN, and we 628 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 3: did see the Iranians call for a meeting of the 629 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,239 Speaker 3: Security Council yesterday that came to pass. We heard from 630 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 3: Mike Waltz, the current US Ambassador to the UN, making 631 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 3: the case they're in that body for what's happened here. 632 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 3: How do you think about the role of foreign leaders 633 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 3: and international diplomats at this moment in time, as all 634 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: this unfolding, and our focus is so squarely on because 635 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: of the immediate danger of it, the strikes that we're 636 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: seeing taking place yesterday and continuing today. 637 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 9: Well, but David, you're asking me at a unique moment, because, 638 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 9: on one hand, I feel we've never seen the UN 639 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 9: be more feckless. The Iranian ambassador went to the Unsecuity 640 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 9: Council blatantly lied through his teeth as they as the 641 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 9: regime often does. You saw the Secretary of General Antonio 642 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 9: Gutirez take a few hours. It took him a few 643 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 9: hours to come out and condemn these strikes, whereas it 644 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 9: took him over a week to come out and condemn 645 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 9: the regimes of mass force against their own people. And 646 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 9: so they're not exactly looking very credible at the moment. 647 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 9: You also had as soon as these strikes started, you 648 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 9: had European leaders that came out obviously against this, and 649 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 9: they've been largely ignored, ignored and even made fun of, 650 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 9: certainly on the internet, but by the administration as well. 651 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 9: And so what you're seeing there that's really all a 652 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 9: symptom of a larger situation of this, where is the 653 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 9: international world order going? It's you know, and I don't 654 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 9: want to get too nerdy here, but those rules are 655 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 9: not being respected by anybody, and so that's crumbling. You're 656 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 9: seeing leaders try and want to exercise some kind of 657 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 9: influence and frustrated that they can't. And so a lot 658 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 9: of these examples of Venezuela, Iran, you're seeing the United 659 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 9: States taking matters into their own hands because that system 660 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 9: is not working. And so when you see these other 661 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 9: more middle powers, if you can call them, they are 662 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 9: feeling irrelevant, and so they're trying and what you might 663 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 9: see is that they later might unite and carry forward 664 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 9: other practices of the international world order, But in the 665 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 9: meantime it's not going to weigh heavily. Where I would 666 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 9: keep my eye on as the golf, because the regime 667 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 9: is making a huge mistake is super dumb strategy to 668 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 9: be striking countries in the golf, countries that actually implored 669 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 9: the United States not to pursue strikes, and that's only 670 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 9: going to pivot the golf even further to double down 671 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 9: on the United States. 672 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 2: First of all, this is a safe space for nerdy, 673 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: so never apologize for that. But I think you do 674 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 2: make a good point, and that's about the international world order, 675 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: something that has almost been President Trump's nemesis for as 676 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: long as he's been in office, and now we see 677 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 2: him trying to build almost a parallel structure to the 678 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 2: United Nations with this peace or that bord of peace. 679 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: Thank you, it's so basically can't. 680 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 11: Remember the name of it, Jeff. 681 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: But the odd thing about this is at the same 682 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 2: time he abhors some of these multilateral uizations organizations. We've 683 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: seen the US POL out of the World Health Organization. 684 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: He almost never has anything nice to say about the 685 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 2: United Nations. Why does the president still seem to want 686 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: some form of legitimacy from the international community, things like 687 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 2: the Nobel Peace Prize, a good speaking slot, a seat 688 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: at the table. 689 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 5: Talk to us about that balance? 690 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 10: Well, I mean, President Trump is someone going back to 691 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 10: his real estate days in New York, who likes to 692 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 10: have validation, and I think that that applies to whether 693 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 10: he's working on his business career working in his political career. 694 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 10: That said, the sort of jekylin Hyde aspect of that 695 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 10: is he's not someone who waits for permission. He is 696 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 10: somebody who is absolutely taking control of the international order 697 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 10: and reframing the United States and the world in his vision. 698 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 10: And that is exemplified by this attack. It's exemplified by 699 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 10: how he's dealt with tariffs in terms of the economic 700 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 10: world order. It's exemplified by how he's dealing with universities, 701 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 10: law firms, the media on a domestic side in the 702 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 10: United States. So he does all of that, but you're 703 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 10: not wrong that he also wants to be padded on 704 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 10: the back. And that's just kind of his mo shoe. 705 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 2: We got about a minuteleft. 706 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 11: Yeah, It's just it's an ironic sort of split screen 707 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 11: that he talks about how many wars he has stopped 708 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 11: when you've got Congressman Crow on the year counting how 709 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 11: many countries he has shot lest So I'm not sure 710 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 11: that many people are keeping score in that regard, but 711 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 11: it is pretty remarkable. The extent to which hemispheric influence 712 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 11: and now I guess worldwide influence is awfully important to 713 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 11: this president who came into office elected on three big things. Right, 714 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 11: the economy, affordability has got an issue. There, immigration where 715 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 11: we're running into issues, and I'll remind everybody that we 716 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 11: have a partial government shut down still underway. 717 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 5: And then it was no New Wars. 718 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 3: Joe, of course, the acropouns power here on Bloomberg Television 719 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 3: and Radio. Jeff Mason, our White House correspondent with us 720 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 3: here in New York this weekend, which is a treat 721 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 3: at Garshmolly, thank you very much for coming in. She's 722 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 3: affiliated with the Atlanta Council with Columbia University. Of course, 723 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 3: before that was at the US Mission to the United Nations. 724 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on today's Bloomberg This Weekend podcast. 725 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 2: Don't forget to tune in live for the show every 726 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday morning, starting at seven am Eastern. 727 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 3: We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business App, 728 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 3: bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, 729 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 3: lifestyle and culture.