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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that gets you

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Speaker 1: in the building more often than not. Here in the

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Speaker 1: Hunday Texans Radio studio, it's Texans All Access sometimes where

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Speaker 1: in the mobile studio today, where in the building players

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Speaker 1: have been working out? I see coaches a lot of activity, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: it feels like football season? How you doing it? Does

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Speaker 1: it feels like football season? The how long they've they've

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Speaker 1: got in last Monday and it was glorious. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean seeing guys now. I will say the off season.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this. I talked about this with Lovey

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Speaker 1: We were talking about that. I think it was actually

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Speaker 1: the day of offseason conditioning starting, and I said, Coach,

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Speaker 1: I've seen more players here this off season. Not all

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Speaker 1: of them rehabbing either, right, but guys in the building.

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Speaker 1: I've seen at least twenty five to thirty different guys

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Speaker 1: in this building this offseason that chose to work out here,

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Speaker 1: including Davis Mills. And as I was asking the question,

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Speaker 1: nodding his head like, yeah, that's huge. It's huge to

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Speaker 1: have that camaraderie and be able to build that and

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Speaker 1: have them here they work out with the guys that

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Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty interesting. But then on top

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Speaker 1: of that, you get everybody coming back. I went down

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Speaker 1: cafeteria at school. You know, those guys all over the

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Speaker 1: place and all sitting together again, which is something that

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Speaker 1: hadn't been allowed the last couple of years due to

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Speaker 1: COVID and such. So it was good to have everybody

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Speaker 1: back doing at least a little bit of football stuff

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Speaker 1: and for as you call it, the desert. And after

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Speaker 1: that training camp, here we go. How about that, here

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Speaker 1: we go in the draft. Of course, one week from Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I just said that. It's one week

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Speaker 1: from Thursday a Miller Outdoor theater. We invite you out

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Speaker 1: there and go to Houston Texas dot com for all

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Speaker 1: sorts of information on how to get in, and we

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Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you out there or you listening

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Speaker 1: to us, as we will be live on Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: six ten and the Texans app all over the world.

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Speaker 1: The Odyssey app it'll be Johnny andre Ware, Robert Hensley

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Speaker 1: and I Day one, night number one for rounds two

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Speaker 1: and three, Seth Payne joins the fray and then Saturday

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Speaker 1: Sean Pendergast, you, Clint Sterner on the early shift, and

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Speaker 1: then you and I take it home. We'll have Nick

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Speaker 1: on late in the draft when it's over. He might

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Speaker 1: jump in early if they decided to stop selecting players

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Speaker 1: at some point and trade the rest of the picks

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Speaker 1: or whatever they do, and then pursue undrafted free agents.

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Speaker 1: But we'll have all the coverage for you next week

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Speaker 1: on the air, and of course all our Texans social media,

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Speaker 1: digital media, every kind of media you can think of,

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Speaker 1: smoke signals coming from the building, whatever we can do

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Speaker 1: to get you the information out there. So that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be fun. All right. Last night you threw some draft

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Speaker 1: scenarios at me. I did, and I really wasn't prepared

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Speaker 1: for it, but I thought I did okay. Now you

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Speaker 1: did really well. I thought I did okay. The circumstances

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Speaker 1: and sometimes we do more likely to happen. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: adjust the game here and I'm just gonna go with

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Speaker 1: the first few picks here because I think we've addressed

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Speaker 1: this last night a bit. When you have this number

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Speaker 1: a lead pipe cinch, it's really interesting. It throws into

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Speaker 1: play a lot of different possibilities. But Johnny more likely

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Speaker 1: or player B whoever that might be. Well, I did

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Speaker 1: my mock draft one point zero a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: figured it was time to refresh it. So I'm I

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Speaker 1: am in the process. I am through pick number twenty two.

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Speaker 1: So I have done pick number one. I've done picks

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Speaker 1: three and thirteen. Now I have not traded. You know

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Speaker 1: that you and I had a long discussion about what

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Speaker 1: I did with number eight and number three. Made trades

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Speaker 1: last time I made I made. I made it. Yet

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Speaker 1: it's right that you two. Yeah, you dropped down. I

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Speaker 1: dropped down, drop down, and I dropped down. I went

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Speaker 1: went through all Ross blacklock was DK in that one?

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Speaker 1: Derreck Henry taking second round. Um Dalvin Cook I think

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Speaker 1: to the top of the second round and took Rocky scene. Now,

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Speaker 1: see brought back Yanik and Gockway, So who knows, maybe

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Speaker 1: topic that we have to get into. Yeah, when you

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Speaker 1: look at those numbers put up in terms of forced

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Speaker 1: When you look at that cold defense getting in Gockway

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Speaker 1: to tackle first, right, right, but on your way. And

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Speaker 1: if you're pursuing the quarterback, if you're a pass rusher, hey,

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Speaker 1: get the ball out, right, don't just try to get

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Speaker 1: the quarterback down. Get the ball out. Who was it

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Speaker 1: that told us sacks are selfish? Maybe maybe John Grenard

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Speaker 1: who said that sacks are selfish because that's a stat

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Speaker 1: the team. I think that came from Lovey and he

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Speaker 1: that is Jacksonville at number one, and I think in

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Speaker 1: that mock draft I ended up putting Adian Hutchinson. And

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be Joe Burrow in twenty twenty, we

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Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna take Baker, and then all mocks became

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Speaker 1: I have this one's nuts. I saw somebody in Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: There's just so many different wrinkles to this and what

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Speaker 1: It's it feels very close to the vest like they're

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Speaker 1: not They're not divulging anything. So people are really guessing

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Speaker 1: at Jacksonville and that makes the rest of the mob

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Speaker 1: drafted total guests. You're filibustering here, Johnny, answer the question.

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Speaker 1: Tryvan Walker all right? So more likely to be Trayvon

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Speaker 1: Walker than Aiden Hutchinson in your opinion, I think, are

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Speaker 1: final product. Here's why I say this. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a what I think with Trayvon Walker you get

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Speaker 1: two for one. And here's here's my thought. Okay, the Jags.

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Speaker 1: We don't entirely know what to how the Jags will play.

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Speaker 1: Where there's foreman's surface. My guest is with my Caldwell

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Speaker 1: to be a foreman's surface. But either way, with Trayvon Walker.

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Speaker 1: You can move him inside and rush him inside and

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Speaker 1: have Josh Allen and Kayla on Chason on the outside,

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Speaker 1: and make the most of those two draft picks of

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Speaker 1: Chason and Walker. If you go Aidan Hutchinson, Hutchinson's the

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's in the outside. Chason has no home now.

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Speaker 1: Chason was not a Trent Bauckie pick. I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: I think it was one of the last of Dave Caldwell.

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Speaker 1: I think that said you'd like to be able. You

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Speaker 1: got a guy in house, it's pretty athletic. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: lived up to the hype as being a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: But if you take Hutchinson, you seemingly eliminate Chase On altogether.

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Speaker 1: But if you have Walker, because he can bump inside,

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Speaker 1: you can make use of both Walker and Chase On.

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Speaker 1: So talking myself into that, I'm going with Trayvon Walker

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Speaker 1: at number one with the Jacks. Okay, a little two

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Speaker 1: for one in that you get Walker's impact, but you

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Speaker 1: don't lose a potential impact from a guy going to

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Speaker 1: this third year and Chase. Yeah, Sean and Seth We're

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Speaker 1: talking a lot about that Peter kingpiece this week where

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Speaker 1: he talked about Walker and all the mocks or many

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Speaker 1: of the mocks late in the regular season had Walker

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Speaker 1: in the thirties, you know, a high second, low first,

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Speaker 1: and he's just shot up the charts. Does that mean

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Speaker 1: he's shooting up the draft boards with the various teams

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Speaker 1: around the league? Have they always had them where they've

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Speaker 1: had him wherever that might be? Was he down or

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you think is that just mock guys

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Speaker 1: He did. He did. Hutchinson not being drafted in Detroit

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Speaker 1: Oh you want Jordan Davis? I want the big fella.

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Speaker 1: How big is he? Six sixty three forty five? That's nothing?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to DENNI grade ever, dinner grade JJ

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Speaker 1: dans vertically mark. He's maybe the most athletic interior defensive

425
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Speaker 1: lineman i've seen. So he's crazy. He's on the interior.

426
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Speaker 1: But if Jermaine Johnson was there at thirteen and he's

427
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Speaker 1: a defensive vand would you go ahead and do it?

428
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Speaker 1: Or is he a little light? I'll put it this way.

429
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: Picked number fourteens of Baltimore Ravens in my newest mock

430
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: about to come out, and they selected defensive and slash

431
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Speaker 1: outside linebacker Jermaine Johnson Florida State. Okay, so I went

432
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: with Davis on the inside. Now, I I agree, either's

433
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: got to find guys that can rush the edge, and

434
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: maybe that's a little bit more important because you are

435
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: bringing back in the league, you are bringing back Roy.

436
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: I just think Davis can be a game changer inside.

437
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: And the way that he keeps gone thirteen right, I

438
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: don't think I've seen I would say it's probably sixty

439
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: forty that he's not, maybe even seventy thirty that he's not.

440
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: I've seen Davis from beyond thirteen. Some people don't think

441
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Speaker 1: he's going he's going into the twenties because they think

442
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Speaker 1: he's a one right one tricker, stop the run part.

443
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: Both corners gone by thirteen, yes, yes, I and Hamilton

444
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: they're all three gone. Yep. I have I have Stingley

445
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Speaker 1: at seven, to the Giants sauce to the Seattle at nine,

446
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: and I have the commanders ruining the party and taking

447
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton eleven. All right, what about receivers? Do you

448
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: have Wilson gone by thirteen? Do not have Wilson gone?

449
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: I have two receivers prior to the Texans taking a pick,

450
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: my wide receiver, my wide receiver one. I mean I

451
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: went with it. I went totally opposite what I had

452
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: said at my first mock, just changed things up and

453
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Speaker 1: kind of thinking, you know what, I don't know. These quarterbacks, yeah,

454
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: are gonna be such a hot topic. So I don't

455
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Speaker 1: have a quarterback going until number nineteen. The first quarterback

456
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Speaker 1: is I have at night? Is that nineteen? And it's

457
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Speaker 1: not Malique Willis. So with the eighth pick, Atlanta takes

458
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. They take Crystalalabbe from Ohio State. They

459
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: have nobody Mark listen, listen to Atlanta's wide receiver corps

460
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: and tell me, I mean it could be it could

461
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: be brutal in Atlanta this year. There's no A j M.

462
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: There's no um Uh, no Julio Jones, there's no Ridley.

463
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: Here are the receivers in Atlanta. Tell me if you

464
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: heard any of these guys out and Tate, Demir Bird,

465
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Speaker 1: alamde Is, Zakias, uh Cadero, Hodge, Frank Darby, oh Chet

466
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Speaker 1: Hanson h and Austin Trammell. Those are the receivers in Atlanta.

467
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, they gotta take the receiver. That's a

468
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: good point pass on quarterback. They take a lobby at eight.

469
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: And then I got to the Jets, and the Jets

470
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: is where I the Jets, I went back and forth

471
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Speaker 1: about Jordan Davis or somebody else, and then I looked

472
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Speaker 1: at the receivers. They went receivers with Elijah Moore. They

473
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Speaker 1: signed Corey Davis, so I think has been okay. And

474
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: then they've got um and they tried to trade for

475
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: you know who, right, So I gave them the kind

476
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: of opposite of Tyreek Hill. I feel like they needed

477
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of size because they got Braxton Barrios

478
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: and they got Elijah Moore, both kind of five nine

479
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: and under guys. I gave him Rake London from USC,

480
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: the rebounder. He had a workout, probably work at USC,

481
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: and they they could use a guy of that ilk.

482
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: So I had London. So I had two receivers going

483
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Speaker 1: on to top ten. I had two corners going to

484
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Speaker 1: top nine. I had the three tackles by six, but

485
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: I did have a quarterback till number nineteen. And the

486
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints and guests who I mocked to the

487
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Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints. Oh, not Malik Willison, not Kenny Pickett,

488
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh your boy, Ritter, yep Ritter from just have a

489
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: hunch about New Orleans and cincinnat I just have a

490
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: hunch with Ritter. And a lot of people think his

491
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: stock is soaring. But again, these things are inexact, to

492
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: say the least. Coming up what Bill Polian had to

493
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: say about the three big dbs, the two corners and

494
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton the safety and see if Johnny agrees we're

495
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Speaker 1: gonna get into that. And then some here I'm Texans Radio.

496
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: It's Texans All Access. Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you.

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Speaker 1: Great to have your listening. Draft is a week from

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. To start it off, we'll cover all of

499
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Speaker 1: it for you. And we were in the midst of

500
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Speaker 1: a conversation many covers stations really on the NFL Draft.

501
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: It's just going on and on and on. We need

502
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: this thing to get here, but work to be done,

503
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: analysis to be made, and you need to listen. Johnny

504
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: Bill Paulian, great evaluator of talent. It's put together. He's

505
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: put together some squads. You gotta give them credit for that.

506
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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say, and I'm just gonna

507
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: paraphrase here on the three big dbs early on in

508
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Speaker 1: this draft, Stingley, Sauce, and Hamilton. Okay, first of all,

509
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: he said Stingley, he said, they're all awesome athletes. It's great,

510
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean wonderful. He gave you all the positives. I'm

511
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: going to give you the warts here, Okay, he said.

512
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Speaker 1: The injury history for Stingley is definitely a concern, but

513
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: there's talk that maybe he was just waiting to get

514
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: into the league. So what is it. It's what I've said,

515
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: That's what I've said all along. He had that year

516
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and he knows he's got two more years.

517
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he showed in twenty nineteen that he was

518
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: He would have been the best. And I can't remember

519
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: the corners that came out in twenty twenty in that draft.

520
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling you he would have been a number one

521
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: corner off my board. He would have been a top

522
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: five player in twenty twenty. He as after his true

523
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: freshman year. So then Covid hits and did have a

524
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: great year in twenty twenty, it's all over the place.

525
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: The team is not that good. The team is a

526
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: total just you know what, bliep just mess. And then

527
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: he gets to twenty twenty one, it's still that same

528
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: sort of mess. And then he gets to this franc injury.

529
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: So it would I think you can connect the dots

530
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: A to B to C. And I think this happens

531
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Speaker 1: with some young guys that you know, and they hear

532
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: it so often, like, oh, man, you're destined for the league. Man,

533
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: you got everything the league's looking for. You're a top

534
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: three guy. You hear that forever and you start to

535
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: I know, I know a guy I This is my opinion.

536
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: Couldn't have been more polar opposite from twenty twenty twenty.

537
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: I thought he's a top five pick. Twenty twenty one.

538
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: I watched him, what, oh, he's going to the league.

539
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: He's going to the league. He's saving himself, Like you

540
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: could see it. You could see the way he was playing,

541
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: like there were times where he could have just finished

542
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: a running back and he would like pull up and

543
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: not hit the guy. You can just start seeing little

544
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: things like that. I'm not saying who that was, not putting,

545
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: not putting that out there, not putting, not putting that

546
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: out there on that particular player, but the point being,

547
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: I do think that players go through that process, and

548
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: I think Stingley, I think Stingley may have if you

549
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: get comfortable with the injuries that Okay, it wasn't always

550
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: a nagging thing. He was begging out whatever team's gonna

551
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: have to get comfortable with with that sort of thing.

552
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: I kind of got that feeling from Patrick's chertal a

553
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: little bit from Alabama. Now, he didn't have quite the

554
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: disruption it had COVID in twenty twenty, but you know,

555
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: dad played in the NFL. Everybody talked about him going

556
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: to the league. I feel like there were times Traymon

557
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: Dix did this with Alabama too. I feel like times

558
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: he was just kind of like, whatever, I'll show up

559
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: for the big games and just kind of make it

560
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: through and then I'll get to my third year and

561
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: then I'll be out of here. And that kind of

562
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: gave me a feeling it's ter tan. Last year, I

563
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: wasn't totally sold on him. I thought he's a good,

564
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: really good player. But I think he played better at

565
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Denver than maybe I anticipated, because you got the league,

566
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: he's finally getting paid. He's kind of where he's kind

567
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: of where he needs to be. But yeah, that's something

568
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: to think about with Stingley, for sure. What do you

569
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: say about Sauce? All right? With Sauce Gardner, it was

570
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: about the guys. Awesome, He's probably gonna be great, but

571
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: he's handsy and in college he polly and went into

572
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: this long dissertation about how in college it's getting handsier

573
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: than ever and it's it's an epidemic and they've got

574
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: to do something about it. And maybe the fifteen yard penalty,

575
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: This is me, not him saying this. Maybe the fifteen

576
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: yard penalty versus the spot foul for DPI has something

577
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: to do with that. Also, you just don't have the

578
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: time to coach as hard as you do in the NFL.

579
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: The attention to detail, the technique, all of it. Definitely

580
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: better than high school obviously, but it's just it's one

581
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: step below the National Football League. So Sauce, while really good, hands.

582
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to learn how to play without his hands,

583
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: because they will call that stuff in the NFL. But

584
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: he was confident he would have the ability to learn,

585
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: and he thought his athletic ability would carry him through.

586
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: So I was talking about buddy Eric Crocker. We were

587
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: talking about Sauce because he had mocked Sauce. This is

588
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: probably about about five or six weeks ago. He had

589
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: mocked Sauce to the Texans. And he was like, what

590
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: do you think? And so I started going through and

591
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: I he had played. Crocker played in the NFL for

592
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: a year. He played arena ball, so he knows, he

593
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: knows the position. He coaches kids, trains kids at corner

594
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: like he knows he knows the position. And so he said,

595
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: what's your concern with Sauce? And I said, exactly what

596
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: Poleon said. I said, the one thing Sauce has got

597
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: to do, he's got to change his mindset. When he's

598
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: up playing press and jamming, he's not He's got good feet,

599
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: but he didn't trust him. The first thing he does

600
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: he grab, He goes to grab, and I said, I said, Eric,

601
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: it's like he goes, he goes hands before feet and

602
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it's got to be the other way around.

603
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: And I look and he's like nodding, like yes, yes,

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00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: that's exactly it. It's got to be feet beforehands. And

605
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: there are times when Sauce does that, well you go,

606
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: that's the guy. But then you see times where the

607
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: feet aren't always tied in with the hands and the

608
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: levers and he's grabbing, he's clutching, and you're right. I've

609
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: said this a million times about Sauce. There's gonna be

610
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: a defensive holding at some point in the game if

611
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't change that along the way. I love the

612
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: fact and he's from Detroit. Now I had this. I

613
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: had this thought the other day. Hutchinson is a Detroit homeboy,

614
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: but it's like an arbor homeboy. Sauces Detroit City. So like,

615
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: if they wanted to keep a homeboy, like a true

616
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: Detroit kid around, they would draft Sauce number two. And

617
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: the Lions could use it, especially because they haven't got

618
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: anything out of jeff Olkuda. Aaron would love that. It

619
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: would be awesome, But Sauce has got to change that part.

620
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: That has got to continue to evolve, and that's a

621
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. I mean, I'm bla Poleon pointed out,

622
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: because I've been saying that from Jump about sauce, and

623
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: that's a big concern. They let guys get away with

624
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: nearly everything in college, I mean everything. It's it's a

625
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: full on football war going on with guys running routes

626
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: down the field. I mean, it's it's nuts. Dbs are

627
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: grabbing towels and jerseys. It's crazy what they get away with.

628
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: And then you watch one of our games and it's like, oh, man,

629
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: can't do it. You're not getting away with that. Your

630
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: technique better be pristine. Well, this league likes a lot

631
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: of points. That's that they don't in college. But it's

632
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: just a different deal. And don't call that at all.

633
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Speaker 1: It's gotta be brutal. All right, here's Pollian. This is

634
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: my paraphrase, not a cut. It sounds like I'm about

635
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: to go in to a cut. Pollion on Kyle Hamilton

636
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: said he's a classics center fielder. This guy has the

637
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: natural instincts, can't be coach type instincts to play deep

638
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: and patrol things in the defensive backfield. He does take

639
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: some bad angles on the run game. He didn't think

640
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: this speed thing was going to be a concern at all.

641
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: He runs fast enough, he can make good decisions, but

642
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: the run angles have to be improved. But he was

643
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: really high on him. He thought, Yes, this guy's gonna

644
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: be a starting safety in the NFL and a really

645
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, he's gonna be excellent. I do think

646
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: he can be. He can be a little reckless, not

647
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: finishing tackles, not reckless or not not scared. I mean

648
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: he's fearless. He'll hit anything. I mean he's he'll hit

649
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: anyone finishing that tackle sometimes. And some of the tackles

650
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: and some of the plays he gets to that other

651
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: guys won't because it was football IQ. I think that

652
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: stands out to me more than anything else. When you

653
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: watch him, you can tell this dude's priest. He's smart.

654
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: He is really smart. What he sees, what he knows.

655
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: He can see the whole field. He understands what teams

656
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: are doing in front of him. He's physical. I think

657
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: the tackling aspect has got to got to improve. I

658
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: think it always can improve. And that's one of the

659
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: things I think about with with with Love's defense. When

660
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: this team tackled well last year, it played well and

661
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty common, but I feel like it's that

662
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: much more because of the style that they play and

663
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: what they demand when they're playing Tampa two demand of

664
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: those corners to come up and make tackles on wide

665
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: runs and be involved in the run defense, and asking

666
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: safeties to come up and not only be physical, but

667
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: to finish plays such that they're not coming up and

668
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: throwing their body into somebody and then break a tackle

669
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: and it turns into another five seven yards before somebody

670
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: can bring a ball area down. That is obviously something

671
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: with Hamilton he's gonna he's gonna have to work on it,

672
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: continue to work on being a good tackler. But everything

673
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: that he's talked about is those are all Those are

674
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: all the things that we've been talking about about. Those

675
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: three guys, you can live with those things. The one

676
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: that would be the artists to live with if you

677
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: found evidence to the contrary of Stingley's not so much

678
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: the injury stuff, but if you found out that there's

679
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah, if you found out that that was

680
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: a problem and that was a big problem, and you're like, man,

681
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: now you're gonna give this guy millions of dollars. Do

682
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: you trust that he might not Week twelve and the

683
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: season not going great, and he's like, I don't know

684
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: if I want to be here. I don't get that sense.

685
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: But if you found out that, I would be truly

686
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: worried about that for anything else? All right, coming up?

687
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: Is there a thinking Man's Pick at Corner that we

688
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: haven't talked about much. And the USFL they're under way.

689
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: They screwed it all up. I'll tell you why. It's

690
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: Texans All Access, Mark Vandermarin, John Harris, Texans All Access.

691
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: As we talked draft other stuff, Johnny thinking Man's Pick

692
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: at Corner, we talked about the top two rated corners. Yeah,

693
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: the popular picks of Sauce Gardner of Stingley. But as

694
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie thinking, yes, I love Trent McDuffie. Now the

695
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: Washington by the way, Yeah, from Washington went to Saint

696
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: John Bosco. And I'll bring it up because there is

697
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: there's this thing on YouTube called under the Radar and

698
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: they will go to these big high school games. They

699
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: started in California. They go these big high school games

700
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: and they get down on the sidelines and they film everything.

701
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: But they film in a field level and they take

702
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: the game and they put it basically down in like

703
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: a fourteen fifteen minute video, so you essentially get a

704
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: chance to watch the game, but it doesn't come with

705
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: rosters or anything, so you gotta look stuff up. And

706
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: so a few years ago there was a game between

707
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: Saint John Bosco and Mottern Day. Quarterback from motter Day

708
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: was Bryce Young. Saint John Bosco had a corner by

709
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: the name of Trent pick duffy. And there are players

710
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: all over the place. I mean, this thing is ridiculous.

711
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: It is, And so I started watching Trent mcduffee. Then

712
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: when he's with Bosco and so at Washington, he is

713
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: you know who he is to me now that I

714
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: think about, He's Kareem Jackson. I always felt like Kreem

715
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 1: was the smartest dude on the field. Physical, could run,

716
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: turn and flip his hips, could play any position in

717
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: the secondary and be successful. The one thing I don't

718
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: think Cream ever did really, really well, which kept him,

719
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: I think from being a tremendous corner was be a

720
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: man cover guy. I think mcduffey could be a little

721
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: bit better in that way. But if I had to

722
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: compare McDuffie to a player I would think it would

723
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: be Kareem Jackson. Kind of the same size, same same mindset,

724
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: everything smart high football IQ. I love the fact that

725
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: he played at Bosco, then he played Washington for Jimmy

726
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Lake was a really good dB developer. I would I

727
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: love Trem McDuffie. You could take Trem McDuffie or Andrew

728
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: Booth from Clemson. He's going through some physical stuff. He's

729
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: gonna be ready apparently by training camp. But I like

730
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Andrew Booth and Clemson. They're kind of the same way,

731
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: built a little differently. But I really love you're talking

732
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: about thinking man's Those would be those if you want

733
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: the true thinking man. Third round, fourth round, my man's eye.

734
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm a column from out of sam Houston, Oh graded

735
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: as the best athletic performance by these guys that do

736
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: all these different metrics at the combine ever ever ever

737
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: at his size, his weight, best combined performance ever four

738
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: three three to forty a six point four six three

739
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: cone and a three point nine to six shuttle on

740
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: top of great position drills four three three at six

741
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: two two hundred pounds. Oh yeah, that is major, and

742
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: he'll go higher. He'll go higher based on that. I

743
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: but I would I've got him at number seventy seven, Okay,

744
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: third round, I mean, oh god, I would love to

745
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: have him. I would love to have him brother too,

746
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: Saftey Tristan McCollum. That'd be fun at Sam Twins. Yeah,

747
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: they call them. They just called the Twins from Galveston.

748
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's go back to the more brothers. Okay,

749
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: except get him on the same team, all right. The USFL,

750
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: they screwed it up. Here's how Look the Breakers. I

751
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: used to live in a dorm that overlooked Nickerson Field

752
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: where the Boston Breakers played, So this is near and

753
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: dear to my heart. Yes, the Breaker unis were awesome,

754
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: and they changed them to the point where that helmet

755
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: was perfect. Just bring back the old helmet. Same with

756
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Stars. They're playing the Philadelphia Stars the other

757
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: day in Birmingham with no fans and attendance because of

758
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: the bad weather. And look, I get it. They want

759
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: to play in a bubble, they want to cut down

760
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: on travel, whatever. But when they had weather blow whatever,

761
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: fans there were out of the building. When they came

762
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: back to play, there was nobody in the building. So

763
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: you got to pipe in the fake crowd noise and

764
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: go COVID at that point, just to make an atmosphere,

765
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: so at least for the national television audience. And the

766
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: stars used to have pretty good looking uniforms. They kind

767
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: of looked like the forty nine ers but not. It's

768
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: hard to explain. They screwed it up. They made the

769
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: gold yellow. It's just awful looking, right, And I felt like,

770
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: if you're gonna use these brands, use the brands. They

771
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: weren't antiquated looks all right. Obviously, the old uniforms had

772
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: giant coffee table shoulder paths like the ones Andre used

773
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: to wear and everything like that. I get it, you're

774
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: gonna play the uniform, but not the uniform design too

775
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: much anyway, and I thought they did that. As far

776
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: as the ratings, though, Saturday Night Birmingham, the Stallions were playing,

777
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: so that contributed to whatever home crowd they could get.

778
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: But they averaged white two point eight million viewers between

779
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: the two networks. That's about what these NBA playing games

780
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: were getting in primetime. That's pretty good, Johnny, that's a

781
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: good number right there in primetime. I know they were

782
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: on major networks, but hey, that's that's a nice piece

783
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: of work right there. We'll see where they go from here.

784
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: There's always been a hole in the market for spring football.

785
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: They've got to make it work. I still think it's

786
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: really expensive. And was it McClain who said last week

787
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: the most simplistic statement rich people don't like to lose money,

788
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: you know. I think he said that, and he's absolutely right,

789
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, they don't like to lose money. No fun

790
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: at all, no doubt. I'm with you. If you're gonna

791
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna go all on the USFL name and use

792
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: the names of the teams, go all the way in. Yeah,

793
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: go all the way in. I mean rep especially the Stars.

794
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: The Stars are the most successful team in the USFL.

795
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: They were recognizable. I mean that that that said, we'll

796
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: see weeks. I don't know, three four five, that is

797
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: going to be the key. I've I've watched a little

798
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: bit and I think it's it's decent football. The problem,

799
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: let's say problem, Spring leagues are running up against more

800
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: than they ever have. The Premier League has been more successful. Um, shoot,

801
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: even F one is more successful because of what's going

802
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: on on Netflix with their documentary. They're on Netflix. It

803
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: feels like you got all of Netflix, all of Netflix

804
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: and all the streaming and all that. He's more fragmented

805
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: than ever anyway. Right, you've got more going on against

806
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: spring football than ever before, and it just gets in there. Now.

807
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: If you continue to put up, you continue to have

808
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: a show, and it's the show every single week, then

809
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: all right, people keep coming back. But that's what I

810
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: hope that happens. I'd like to see it fly. I mean,

811
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: there's some good people in the USFL league, not the

812
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: ones that cut the running back because he wanted a

813
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: pizza instead of chicken cell. But that's a story for

814
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: a different day. Exactly. Well, you don't want to overload

815
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: too much on cars. Yes, we all agree with this, right, okay, Johnny,

816
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: thank you very much. All Right, tomorrow we'll have another

817
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: draft show, because why not. It's a week from Thursday.

818
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Miller Outdoor Theater. Looking forward to bringing it all to

819
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: you live. Thanks so much for being a part of

820
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: the festivities tonight. Thank you Austin for producing. Have a

821
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: great night. Go to the Texans app for this show

822
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: and a few and plenty of other great content for

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00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: you to ingest. Go Texans