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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Dirk Durham and this week's episode, I

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Speaker 1: have a good friend who I've been watching his gear

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Speaker 1: reviews for quite some time now and I finally got

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Speaker 1: to meet him face to face when I moved to

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Speaker 1: the Boys area a few years ago. Backwoods Pursuit host

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Speaker 1: Gabe Garish, welcome to Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: It's good to be here, and good to meet up

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Speaker 3: and meet you face face. To watch your stuff for

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Speaker 3: a long time as well videos and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: And so great to meet you. Yeah, I had a.

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Speaker 3: Coffee a few times and I got to hang out

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Speaker 3: and whatnot. So yeah, it's been great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we've got to talk talk business, Yeah, video production stuff,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. So yeah, it's been It's been

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Speaker 1: fun getting to know you the last few years.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: I was watching your your elk cutting film. It's called

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Speaker 1: Chasing Tradition.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and excellent film.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: If if the listeners haven't watched this, go to YouTube,

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Speaker 1: go to Backwards Backwoods Pursuits channel and look up Chasing Tradition.

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Speaker 1: And if you like el cutting films, you're gonna love it.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I don't want to want to

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Speaker 1: give too much away, but I did.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: My mind had a little tear in my eye at

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Speaker 1: the end. So yeah, it's that good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably offended my wife by, uh, some of

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Speaker 3: the emotions on the film, you know, just because I'm

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Speaker 3: not an emotional person, but some of those events just

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Speaker 3: kind of, you know, took hold and laid out and

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Speaker 3: played out the way that it did. And you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes life happens like that.

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Speaker 2: So it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a good, a fun one to make, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: a real personal story and everything that went along with it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a special film to make.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's funny. You know, your wife probably was saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen that sign. I see these these these

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Speaker 1: reels on Instagram or Facebook. It'll show pictures of like

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Speaker 1: a man and a wife together and they're smiling for

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Speaker 1: then it'll show it'll flash to him like with a

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Speaker 1: big fish, or like him hunting with like he's got

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Speaker 1: And the guy has a gigantic smile. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: just like you know, time after time after time, but

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Speaker 1: with an animal, then it's like undoubtedly super super excited.

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Speaker 1: So that that kind of reminds me of that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Her wives are like, hey, you don't talk like that.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes.

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Speaker 1: You know, when we're in the elk woods, you know,

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Speaker 1: things happen and it brings out a different Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: certainly can. So my wife will say, Dirk is known

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Speaker 1: to bugle any sleep sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that could get awkward.

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Speaker 1: Some people are sleep talkers.

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Speaker 2: I'm asleep buglers.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully you don't have a bugle tube in your

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Speaker 1: No, I keep those well out of there. I just

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Speaker 1: do it with my mouth and probably I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: how good it sound.

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Speaker 2: Probably sounds like somebody calling hogs or something.

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Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I got some weird sleep happens. One

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Speaker 1: and I had to set of deer antlers I had

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Speaker 1: And she's like, you don't remember this now, but I

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Speaker 3: So that's good stuff, the things we're doing and we're sleeping.

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Speaker 3: That's needs to usually stay.

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Speaker 2: In the middle of the night and talk about yeah later.

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Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't have brought that up. So you've been a

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Speaker 2: Gosh, as long as I can remember.

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Speaker 3: So growing up, I actually liked waterfowl hunting and bird

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Speaker 3: hunting a lot more than big game hunting, even though

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Speaker 3: birds and deer in elk honey. Sometimes you can go

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Speaker 3: And back then, you know in Idaho here you could

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Speaker 3: pretty special. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. So but ever since then,

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Speaker 3: you don't think I've missed a season that I can

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: So you spend a lot of time in the woods

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Speaker 1: with your kids as well. How did you get them

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Speaker 3: No, And you know some are certainly more than others.

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Speaker 1: To Yeah, yeah, I feel like I feel like I

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Speaker 1: because I've you know, I've always been such a passionate hunter,

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Speaker 1: I found that, like if I kept you know, Snickers,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bribe them.

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Speaker 3: Here's an entire box of raspberry filled donuts for when

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Speaker 2: I love those things. I know they're terrible.

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Speaker 3: They're so good though, but yeah, yeah, try to keep

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Speaker 2: But it's a process of you know, obviously.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get to where I'm at now by going

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Speaker 3: and having a good time, and knowing when to call

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you got to make those calls. But yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My son, he he's he can either kind of take

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: In the last couple of years he's kind of got

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Speaker 3: pulled the team out and everybody was, you know, grading

440
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Speaker 3: different aspects of binoculars. We did have spotty scopes and

441
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Speaker 3: rangefinders and range finding monoculars and those kinds of things.

442
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Speaker 3: But then you have you can't get into a lot

443
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Speaker 3: of detail with each individual piece. Doing that, you can

444
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Speaker 3: get to some degree, but but gosh, I think that

445
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Speaker 3: article was thirty thousand words or some crazy.

446
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Speaker 2: It was so long.

447
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 1: It was a heavy read.

448
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 3: So you try to obviously keep them shorter than that.

449
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 3: But you can get into more individual detail, which which

450
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 3: you know, the comparisons are great. You can kind of

451
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Speaker 3: see how what features are going to fit your particular

452
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 3: needs and uh and needs that you have when you hunt.

453
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Speaker 3: But then if you're kind of narrowing it down. You

454
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Speaker 3: may want a little more detail on some of those

455
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Speaker 3: individual optics or pieces of gear, and so try to

456
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Speaker 3: cover as much of that as possible.

457
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Speaker 2: But it's impossible to cover everything out there.

458
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Speaker 1: So oh yeah, I remember watching your review of stabilizing binoculars,

459
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Speaker 1: and as I watched, I'm like, man, you brought up

460
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff that was I would even

461
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Speaker 1: not even not even thought about. That's like, man, this

462
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Speaker 1: is really this is a good review. So yeah, I

463
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Speaker 1: encourage anybody if you're into like gear and you like

464
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Speaker 1: to tinker a little bit, you know, and you're curious

465
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Speaker 1: about gear, I definitely get on back What's Pursuit channel

466
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Speaker 1: and YouTube channel, watch the videos and then you also

467
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Speaker 1: have articles on your support on your.

468
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Speaker 3: Website as well. Yeah, we do back What's pursuit dot com. Yeah,

469
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: so we do try to do a compilation of both, uh,

470
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Speaker 3: because some products are better reviewed on video. Sure, some

471
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Speaker 3: are better reviewed in articles, and you know, some it

472
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter, but but yeah, we try to publish. The

473
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Speaker 3: goal is to publish a video each week in an

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Speaker 3: article each week, and so it's a lot to get

475
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Speaker 3: that put out there. But most of the time, we're

476
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Speaker 3: able to get that done, and sometimes, you know, we

477
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Speaker 3: miss a few, but that's typically the goal. And and

478
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Speaker 3: and yeah, so it's it's a little easier to get

479
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Speaker 3: into details in articles without making you know, a video

480
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Speaker 3: that's really really long and hard to digest. So sometimes

481
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 3: you know, try to compliment each other and bed the

482
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Speaker 3: video in the article if it's if it's a complimentary

483
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Speaker 3: kind of thing.

484
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Speaker 2: Mm hm.

485
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Speaker 3: But yeah, cover them, cover them both as much as

486
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Speaker 3: we can. And and uh, you know, build out charts.

487
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Speaker 3: Things are visual are helpfult least for me to see

488
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Speaker 3: comparisons and you know, field of view comparisons between a

489
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Speaker 3: few pairs or whatever we're looking at and put that

490
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Speaker 3: into articles and or videos.

491
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I can imagine doing all these reviews you have.

492
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Speaker 1: You probably go into it with a thought in your

493
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Speaker 1: head like, oh, I'm really gonna like these ones. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 1: and then as you start, you know, dissecting and evaluating

495
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Speaker 1: and stuff and like what I like them, but right,

496
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Speaker 1: and I really like these other ones more I thought

497
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Speaker 1: I didn't know I would like this other you know

498
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Speaker 1: thing what more you know brand x y Z.

499
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's kind of a.

500
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Speaker 3: Something I learned over the years to go into any

501
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Speaker 3: review regardless of brand, just kind of with an open mind,

502
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Speaker 3: or even if it's a product there's no way I'm

503
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Speaker 3: gonna like this.

504
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't. I can't see it.

505
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: And but just say give it a fair shake, you know,

506
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: because the reviews themselves. We don't accept sponsorship, money or

507
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Speaker 3: anything for the reviews, and so the products just have

508
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Speaker 3: to speak for themselves and do our best to bring

509
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Speaker 3: that objectively and and you know, call it like we

510
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Speaker 3: see it and don't always get it right for sure,

511
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Speaker 3: you know, but try to bring it in a way

512
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Speaker 3: that's helpful for every consumer researching a particular products. So

513
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Speaker 3: if it's you know, something's important to me, Let's say,

514
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Speaker 3: in optics of binocular I need a super big field

515
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Speaker 3: of view because of the type of hunting or glass

516
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Speaker 3: thing I do, But someone else doesn't really matter, you know,

517
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Speaker 3: Stabilized binoculars have a much smaller field of view. So

518
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Speaker 3: is that a big deal for you or is it not?

519
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: You know, I can say it is for me or

520
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: if it isn't, but for you maybe not, And maybe

521
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: it is, you know, So try to just give that

522
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Speaker 3: information and data in a way that's it gives you

523
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Speaker 3: the the the ammunition you need to make a good

524
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Speaker 3: decision on the on a purchase.

525
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's good to be able to put

526
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Speaker 1: all that information there for people to kind of get

527
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: behind the driver's seat without getting behind the driver's seat,

528
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Speaker 1: to think about like the things are important.

529
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Speaker 2: To them, and then have you highlight it.

530
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Speaker 1: And then then you know, some some folks, some of us,

531
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Speaker 1: we just don't live around an area where we can

532
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Speaker 1: run down a local sporting good store and pick up

533
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: any brand of optic or whatever it is that you're evaluating,

534
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Speaker 1: right and look at through them, you know, at the store,

535
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Speaker 1: or even handle them or try to try on the

536
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Speaker 1: gear or whatever. So it's good to have someone you

537
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Speaker 1: know do that depth.

538
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Speaker 2: Way or even a part of the country, right. Yeah.

539
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: So and you know, back east, I've noticed there's a

540
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Speaker 3: lot of folks feel say, oh, this optic has you know,

541
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Speaker 3: great edge of edge clarity, and I've looked at it

542
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Speaker 3: and like, no, it doesn't, you know. And then but say, well,

543
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Speaker 3: how far were you looking? Oh, yeah, I was looking

544
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Speaker 3: at my back, my back porch to two hundred yards.

545
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Speaker 3: You can't tell much at two hundred yards, right, versus

546
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Speaker 3: two miles up in the foothills where you can tell

547
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Speaker 3: you get outstretched out there, you can really see those differences,

548
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: and so some of it's relative to where you're at,

549
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: and so in in back east, you know, maybe some

550
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: of those things aren't really that important versus out here

551
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: where you're looking at wide space and big spaces, it's

552
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Speaker 3: much more important.

553
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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely a different application for sure. Yeah.

554
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Speaker 1: Has there ever been a category of gear that was

555
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Speaker 1: really challenging You're like, man, okay, you're really gonna have

556
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Speaker 1: to dig in deep and like understand this, and you know,

557
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Speaker 1: is there anything that was that stood out that was

558
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Speaker 1: really tough? I know, I didn't put that on.

559
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, that's a good question to put you

560
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Speaker 2: on the spot.

561
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's anything that I'm not that I

562
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Speaker 3: by default don't really know well obviously, And some things

563
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: are are a lot more technical than others. So like

564
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Speaker 3: those when we we did a couple of videos on

565
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Speaker 3: those Zeice thermal monoculars, those are there were something that

566
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: hadn't played much with thermals because just I don't use

567
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Speaker 3: them a whole lot. So that was there's a big

568
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Speaker 3: learning curve. You know, what do some of these terms

569
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Speaker 3: mean that are associated with with thermal optics. I've always been,

570
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: like I mentioned in the film, grew up hunting with

571
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Speaker 3: a rifle, but it was more of, you know, go

572
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Speaker 3: out shoot a few times before season, make sure we're

573
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Speaker 3: you know, shooting three inches high at one hundred, and

574
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Speaker 3: then we're good to go.

575
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's.

576
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Speaker 3: Like a lot of people, which is fine, But in

577
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Speaker 3: the last couple of years started you know, diving more

578
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: deeply into rifles and custom builds and those kinds of things.

579
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Speaker 3: So that's a big learning curve to could you know,

580
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: the folks in that do a lot of custom builds

581
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: and really know the rifles. They know the rifles, and

582
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 3: they are going to know if you don't know what

583
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Speaker 3: you're talking about. And so try try the best to

584
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Speaker 3: to cover those things in an educated way and do

585
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Speaker 3: my homework so that can present good data for folks.

586
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 3: And so that that's been a big learning curve there,

587
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 3: and it's been awesome to get into that and have

588
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: some good team members that are helpful and help walking

589
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: me through some of those things. And and so I

590
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: can always say, hey, Roger, how do we go through

591
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Speaker 3: this process or what is what are these some of

592
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Speaker 3: these terms mean I'm not quite familiar with them or

593
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: you know, somewhere. They're just good to have some people

594
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Speaker 3: to lean on that they know more than I do

595
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: in some areas that if it's not my wheelhouse and

596
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Speaker 3: I can call someone.

597
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you really have to invest a lot of time

598
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: and efforts on some of these products. I'm sure to

599
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: like fully understand them. It's not just you can't just

600
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: like but open a box and do an unboxing video.

601
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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the box.

602
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: So it's got a caringcreational lanyard. Oh I look through it.

603
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: There's stuff in the dark there. Right, It's got to

604
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: be like very in depth and you have to have

605
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: a good understanding of it.

606
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Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure, and appreciate the.

607
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Amount of time I'm sure you invest in yeah, and

608
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: getting to know these different products.

609
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it can take a while sometimes depending on

610
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Speaker 3: what it is right right now.

611
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Speaker 1: Speaking of people saying, hey, you don't know what you're

612
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Speaker 1: talking about? Do you ever have any negative nancies comment

613
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Speaker 1: on your videos? Ever?

614
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Speaker 2: Ever? Such a nice guy?

615
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Why do that?

616
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it's inevitable.

617
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: You know, you always get some folks that are you know,

618
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: say oh this you know this review was sponsored, like

619
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Speaker 3: well it wasn't the reviews aren't sponsored, or just because

620
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: my favorite brand wasn't in there, you know, or whatever

621
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Speaker 3: those kinds of things. And sometimes brands just say yeah,

622
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Speaker 3: we don't want to we don't want to be a

623
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Speaker 3: part of that review. It's like okay, you know, that's

624
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: that's fine. And so yeah, sometimes you get some of

625
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: that and it's like, well, yeah, we'll do what we

626
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: can do the best we can to include that X

627
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Speaker 3: y Z brand next time, you know, m So, you know,

628
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Speaker 3: there's sometimes there's ability to try to look at any

629
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Speaker 3: of those negative comments and see if it's just some

630
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: controlling or if it's there's legitimate motive behind it to say,

631
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: you know, this product should have been in there, And

632
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: sometimes like yeah, I probably should have, but they didn't

633
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Speaker 3: want to be or should we miss that?

634
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Speaker 2: You know, we'll get it next time, you know.

635
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: So, Yeah, sometimes there's some good information, try to pull

636
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Speaker 3: whatever I can from that. And sometimes it's just people

637
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Speaker 3: being mean.

638
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: So do you ever just like like turn off or

639
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: hide those people from your channel that are extra mean

640
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: or you just let them talk and just like we'll

641
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: let the algorithm pick it up and let maybe somebody

642
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: will hey man, quite being a jerky You know, what

643
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: do you what do you do in a situation like if.

644
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: It's someone that's just clearly trying to stir something up,

645
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: and you know, cause problems, just don't respond, you know.

646
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: I try to respond to the comments, and and for

647
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: the most part, definitely been blessed to not have much

648
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: of that, you know, But I just, you know, don't

649
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm just not going to engage in that keyboard warrior stuff.

650
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: It's just it's not worth it. You know, You're not

651
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: gonna do any good there. But for the most part,

652
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: you know, people have been you know, in kind and

653
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: and uh just you know, try to stay humble and

654
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: look where you're where you're missing. Sometimes you miss it

655
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Speaker 3: on reviews, and sometimes you just don't get it right,

656
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: or you miss a critical area you should have covered.

657
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: You know, I got Craps already published. What do I

658
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: do now I miss that? You know, dang it? Yeah.

659
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, but it's just always trying to learn and

660
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: and and get better and take the negative to get

661
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: used it to get better. And but I made I

662
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: had I don't think that I've really deleted comments on videos.

663
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: The only one other than if it's just you know,

664
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: something that's nefarious. It's like, we don't need we don't

665
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: need that link here, I don't think.

666
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of that weird scammy stuff out there. Yeah,

667
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: So for gear, are you actively contacting companies or companies

668
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: reaching out to you?

669
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: How do you get your gear both? You know? So

670
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: it depends.

671
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: I get multiple requests every day for reviews, and a

672
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: lot of them are maybe just one unboxing video on this,

673
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: and like, don't really do those. I mean, that's there's

674
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: not to me, there's not a lot of value in there.

675
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: There is some depending on on what it is. If

676
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: it's a brand new product and people like, hey, what's

677
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: this all about?

678
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: What?

679
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's there can be sometimes we'll do a

680
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: little bit of that, or you know, here's introducing this

681
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: new product, and if maybe get an early sample of

682
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: it and have a few weeks a few weeks with

683
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: it to play around and actually do a little bit

684
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: of of of comparison with it or something like that,

685
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: then you know, I'll try to put out a little

686
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: something on that. But for the most part, don't don't

687
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: entertain too much of that. You get a lot of

688
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: people it seems like when people reach out they'll say, hey,

689
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: can you do a video on this?

690
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: Do review?

691
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: We need it turned around in a month. It's like

692
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: that's just not enough time to get familiar with the product,

693
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: film something, edit it and get it put back, turn

694
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: it around in a month.

695
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: That's just an unboxing video, you know.

696
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: And so again, don't do a whole lot of that,

697
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: So try to keep the reviews, you know. Kind of

698
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: what we set out to do is to be in

699
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: depth and cover the product and get to know it

700
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: really well, be able to speak intelligently about it, and

701
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: and I put together a review that's going reflect that.

702
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: So so yeah, sometimes do get contacted by companies, and

703
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 3: companies are already have an established relationship with a lot

704
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: of times they'll reach out and say, hey, we got

705
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: this new project coming out, and you help us test

706
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: it before it launches and I'll get an early sample

707
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: of something, get to play with it, and be able

708
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: to put some content out around the time when they

709
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: launch it. So that sometimes we'll do that, Or if

710
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: I have a project that I'm working on, then say

711
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: I'm working on a compact spotiesco Privy right now and

712
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: have been for a while.

713
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: So all the little lightweight ones, little teeny ones, you know, I've.

714
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: Been working and playing on playing with those. So we've

715
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: been working on that. So but I'll reach out to

716
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: the companies say hey, this is a project we're working on.

717
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: You know, we'd love to have one of your products

718
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: in this if if you want to be a part

719
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: of that.

720
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, so both ways, yeah.

721
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: Good, Well you probably make some good industry contacts that

722
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: way for sure, and some companies maybe you haven't worked with.

723
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: Is it sometimes hard to get through the just the

724
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: door and talk to the right person there to be

725
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: like you might have to talk to three different people, right,

726
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: it'll it'll just go to somebody's.

727
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: In box and die. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

728
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: It's it's gotten a lot easier over the years. Of course,

729
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 3: you know, started out, I think the first first product

730
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: reviewed was like a little backpacking pill or something that

731
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: probably wasn't even you know, worth the time of doing,

732
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: but it was you know, what was available, and and

733
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: and so as that's grown, Yeah, it's gotten. The contexts

734
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 3: have been made and and I know who to contact

735
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 3: now and have the email addresses or phone numbers to

736
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 3: to acquire product lot easier now for the reviews, but

737
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: still there's there's so many avenues and categories. You know,

738
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: one of my team members is back East, and he

739
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: does a lot in the you know, turkey hunting and

740
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: white tail hunting and and those those fields that that

741
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: I just are not my wheelhouse, and so I defer

742
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: to him on on those things. And and so breaking

743
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: into that is just getting to talk to someone is difficult,

744
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: right because it's a different it's not Western hunting right right,

745
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 3: So it's it takes a lot of time to make

746
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: that initial contact and find out who you need to

747
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: talk to and establish that relationship. But once once you

748
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: have that relationship build obviously, if as long as you

749
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: do good work and you're coming through on your promises,

750
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: what you're delivering, what you say you're going to do,

751
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: and then usually that gets easier along the way.

752
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's good. And I'm sure probably with that

753
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: big network of people, you might say, hey, do you

754
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: know anybody that you know this other brand? You know,

755
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: I want to do this something completely unrelated to.

756
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: What you do. Do you know anybody?

757
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: Then oh, yeah, I know so and over there, because

758
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: like what I found is like the hunting industry, it

759
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: seems like it's big, but it's not really. Especially once

760
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: you start doing trade shows, whether it's consumer shows or

761
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: like vendor shows, pretty soon you start seeing the same

762
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: people every year, so you start getting to know a

763
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: few people, and it probably does make it a lot easier.

764
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: For sure.

765
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: I have guys that are on the team, or there's

766
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: I think fourteen of us now that that help write

767
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: articles and do videos and whatnot. A lot of times

768
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: the guy I will shoot me a message or phone call,

769
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: but not I say I've heard about this new product,

770
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: and like, no, actually I hadn't you know.

771
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: So they'll you'll.

772
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: Keep me on my toes that way too, which is

773
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: which is awesome because I certainly can't keep up on

774
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: everything myself.

775
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah.

776
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: So filming, do you sell film? Do you have a

777
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: camera person? Do you have that you make one of

778
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: your kids, your wife run the camera.

779
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: When for reviews.

780
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: Most of the time of self film and tripod and

781
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: set the camera up and then go to work that way,

782
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 3: depending on the video. Sometimes if it's an active type video,

783
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: there a tent setup or something like that, I'll I'll

784
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: grab my youngest he likes to come out and help

785
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: with that and so have him run the camera and so.

786
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: But most of the time for the reviews, you know,

787
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: just do it in my studio. They're putting built in

788
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: the garage and or out in the field, depending on

789
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: what it is, and to sell film those for the

790
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: most part, and of course obviously the hunting films, I

791
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: don't do that. That's beyond my skill set to do

792
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: and do that that good equality.

793
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, so John John Abert Nethews, your camera guy

794
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: on your Help film. Yeah, he's such a good guy.

795
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: I've been around him on a few hunts and he's

796
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: just like always such a happy, go lucky fella. And

797
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody nerd out so much on cameras,

798
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: like and getting the shots and like he gets so

799
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: tickled and like, I just love being around that guy.

800
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's such a fun guy. Yeah him.

801
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: So we're editing this film. You know, he did he

802
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: did most of the he did all the camera work,

803
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: and he was there for the hunt and then his

804
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: good friend and I've gotten to know him well over

805
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: the last several months here, Louke Canduzenbury. He films it

806
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: does with a bunch of folks, you know, in the industry,

807
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: you go hunting.

808
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Work as well.

809
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: And and so he's he's there on not on retainer,

810
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: but he said he's like, I could call him up,

811
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: so if he's available to film any of my hunts

812
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: coming up, if he's available, he'll do it. And yeah,

813
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: but they they we all got together and we're doing

814
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: a bunch of the editing on this film and and

815
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 3: so they start talking camera gear and they nerding out

816
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: on that, and I'm just sitting there like that sounds

817
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: like a cool thing, but I don't know what you're

818
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: talking about.

819
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: Just way over my head, way over my head. And

820
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: I like the talk cameras a little bit. Yeah, these guys,

821
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: it goes right over my Yeah. Yeah, they start talking

822
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: about bit rates and all this stuff.

823
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know what you're talking about, right, Yeah.

824
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: I can fake it a little bit. Yeah, I can

825
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: run a camera good enough to get myself in trouble.

826
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

827
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: That's that's scary moment when you think you've gotten to

828
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: the point where I can run this on full manual.

829
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: You know, I don't need an auto, and so you

830
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: start messing with everything and and uh so yeah, that

831
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: was that's that's me. Just a few years ago. It's like,

832
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 3: I can run this on manual and that's an accomplishment

833
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: right there.

834
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, But for me, like you get to that point

835
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh dang, it's like a Rubert's

836
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 1: Q excue. How do you put it back? Everything looks

837
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: terrible now I can't get it back to where I started.

838
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's funny. Back to your elk

839
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: hunting field. Yeah yeah.

840
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: So you said this was a draw tag here in Idaho.

841
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: What was your opinion on the hunting area? You know,

842
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: people always have this pre preconceived notion or notion about

843
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: draw tags, like they think, oh, man, there's gonna be

844
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: giant bowls running all over the place. Uh like where

845
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: there where the elk number is good and where they're

846
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, the maturity level and balance of age class

847
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: of bowls.

848
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: How was it? No, the elk numbers were not very good.

849
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 3: In fact, going into the hunt, based on the time

850
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: it's spending the unit leading up to the hunt, I

851
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: was pretty nervous actually going you know, going into it,

852
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: you know, drawing the tag, I was like, oh, this

853
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: is gonna be awesome, right, you know, the the draw

854
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: I drew a tag kind of syndrome, and you know

855
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: it's going to be great, you know, leading up to

856
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: those that spending the time in the field out there,

857
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: you know, looking looking around, do a lot of glassing.

858
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: Just wasn't seeing what I was expecting and hoping for.

859
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 3: And so if you're if you have seen the film,

860
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: or if you're if you see that the bowl that

861
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: we see on opening morning, yeah, it was a nice bowl,

862
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: especially for for this area because it's not a monster

863
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: trophy unit.

864
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: It's not.

865
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: It's just it it's a draw tag. But if that

866
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: just means there's a fewer hunters. Sure, So that that

867
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: was that was the biggest bull it's seen the entire year.

868
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh dang, opening morning right there, you know,

869
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: so I think that was actually bigger than the one

870
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 3: that they killed.

871
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: Uh we were like two miles.

872
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: Away, right, It's a long way is a way to

873
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: really be able to tell for sure. But that one

874
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: and then the one that I killed were the only

875
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: two six points we saw.

876
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: Wow.

877
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

878
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: And so we saw a few raghorns, you know, a

879
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 3: couple five points, some spikes, you.

880
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: Know whatnot, But yeah, numbers overall were We're not very good.

881
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: And that's that.

882
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: Uh they were better then than when I was in

883
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: the unit during September looking around and whatnot. So so

884
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: that was at least good because going in September, we're like, man,

885
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: there's what is wrong?

886
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're the elk you know. It was it was

887
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: they were so maybe it was just.

888
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: A late rudder or whatnot, you know, and so that

889
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: helped us a little bit. But yeah, no, numbers were

890
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: not great and and uh so I was pretty thrilled

891
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: with with the bull ended up killing to to be

892
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: able to find find that goal. And this is only

893
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: the but the third day, fourth day whatever it was,

894
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: so it wasn't like a long Ruelly hunt, you know.

895
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was beautiful, this beautiful bold.

896
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, the film, the film was so time.

897
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: It's just there's a lot of really great cinematography and yeah,

898
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of good scenery. And I

899
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: just encourage people, you got to you gotta watch it.

900
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to give it. I don't want to

901
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: give it away, but you watch. This is such a

902
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: good film.

903
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: Oh thank you.

904
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: It's it's so much fun to make too. You know,

905
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: I think I mentioned in the film, Uh, you know,

906
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: we have like a lot of us these aspirations like

907
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: I should film someday, right, but as you know, it's

908
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 3: not very cheap to do it well, right, anybody can

909
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: film with the cell phone or whatnot and just have

910
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: fun doing that. That's that's totally fine. But to actually

911
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: have it professionally filmed, and and and there's a certain

912
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: amount of stress that goes along with it. You know,

913
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: you're thinking, it would be really good to kill something

914
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: on film. We can get the shot, you know, do

915
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: I shoot a small one just so you have a

916
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: kill shot on film. All those things go into it.

917
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: And and then this, you know, while we've had those

918
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: aspirations growing up up, how we can if we can

919
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: film hunt? You know, my brother's and I because we

920
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: always hunt together every year we have a family annual

921
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: family hunting trip that they come up from out of

922
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 3: state and well hunt together.

923
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: And but.

924
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: This is the first time though, that's actually a film

925
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: to hunt and and just pulled the trigger and done it,

926
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: you know.

927
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: So it was a little bit like, Okay, I don't

928
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: know what to expect here.

929
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've done a lot of film work for reviews,

930
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 3: but that's different than narrating. That's different than trying to

931
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: adequately relay what's going on with what just happened, and

932
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: you know, do it on the spot and not have

933
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 3: an outline that I'm going through for a review.

934
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: So it's just different, you know. So but it came

935
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: together well.

936
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure John did a lot of editing to make

937
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: me look not so quite so so bad on film.

938
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: Makes you look great, I think too. If if you're

939
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: comfortable with who you are, who's filming you, Yeah, that

940
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: means like a lot. I know my camera guy, Dusty,

941
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: and when I get along so good and we like

942
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: to giggle and joke. Man, if you could if we

943
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: could just film him and I as shnanigans and the

944
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: silly crap we laugh about and joke around. I don't

945
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: know if I don't know if anybody ever watch it,

946
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: but there'd be a lot of content. But they'd be

947
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: like these guys are like in their fifties and they

948
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: act like fifteen year old school boys.

949
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: You know.

950
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: Just it's fun though, you know, cause that's kind of us.

951
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: You know, My Brother's night and then Dad get together

952
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: and that we're just we're just constantly you know, horsing around.

953
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 3: You know, a few rocks may have been thrown down

954
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: mountains when we get frustrated and can't find it al

955
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 3: those kinds of things, you know, the old boulder roll,

956
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: you know, when we're thinking we're not coming back here.

957
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: Let's just we can't hunt these elk.

958
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: Nobody can't.

959
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: Never done that before, right, No, But now we have

960
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: a good time and you know, try to keep you know,

961
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: elkanning is fun, it's awesome. It's for for us and

962
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: for me, it's it's just much about the relationships and

963
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 3: the time spent out there as it is about chasing elk.

964
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: And even though that's that's why we're out there, you know,

965
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 3: but we keep it fun, keep it light, and try

966
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: not to take ourselves too terribly serious.

967
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. How much scouting you did? You talked

968
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: about preseason scouting. How much scouting did you do? Did

969
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: you do summer scouting? Did you do September scouting?

970
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: So this year I didn't do any summer scouting. Because

971
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: there's some little bit of backstory for this film is

972
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: that this was apparently my year to draw tags. I

973
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: hadn't drawn any decent tags really ever, and then I

974
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 3: drew and early seas an archery mulder tag, Oh wow,

975
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: which was another new thing. I hadn't really dedicated much

976
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 3: time to archery mulder hunting, and it's you know, not easy,

977
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: you know, come on.

978
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: To kill with the bow.

979
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: So and this was a good unit, right that that

980
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: you're you're thinking, I've got a chance at a mature

981
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: buck with this unit. And so so I went into

982
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: that knowing that I was going to be taught lots

983
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: of lessons, blowing lots of stocks and that kind of thing.

984
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: So so I put more time into that because that

985
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: was a completely new area.

986
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: Never even gone there before.

987
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I'd been in this elk unit before,

988
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: so I kind of knew some areas, you knew it

989
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 3: a little bit, so so that was helpful to focus

990
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: more time on that. So but I did spend some

991
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: time you know, scouting for this on as well, and

992
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: so then that's why I was a little nervous about

993
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 3: what I was seeing.

994
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So yeah.

995
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: I would definitely be a little unnerving. Oh man, I've

996
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: finally got a chance with this tag.

997
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah right right, And that's unfortunately seeing the numbers that

998
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: have come out with fishing game after that, and that

999
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: that's what what the numbers are saying to the numbers

1000
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: are down, the blow objective, they're cutting tags back, Okay,

1001
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So so it's an I wasn't

1002
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're out there like is it just me? Am

1003
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: I just a terrible hunter? Can I not find animals right?

1004
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 3: Or are they just not here?

1005
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: You know? So I think maybe.

1006
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: Both you guys made it look easier.

1007
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: We had a good time.

1008
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: So what's next? I imagine you keep on doing reviews now.

1009
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: I know we talked before about some new things on

1010
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: the website that are coming.

1011
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: Tell me about that. Yeah, So.

1012
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: Amongst you know, getting this film ready to go, been

1013
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: working tirelessly to put together a membership portion of the site.

1014
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: So I've been working on I had the idea a

1015
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 3: while ago, but I've been putting that together for probably

1016
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: better part of the last year, intermittently as I've.

1017
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: Been able to.

1018
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: So so yeah, we're kicking that off here shortly and

1019
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: depending on when this podcast dropped and might already be live.

1020
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: But but it's real close, so there can be a membership.

1021
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: They're gonna be some cool things with memberships and some

1022
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: great gear discounts and a kind of garage sale store

1023
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: for some gear, great deals on gear. There some consultation

1024
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 3: offers for gear consultation. So if you're really like really

1025
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: wanting to dive deep into you know, picking the right

1026
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: set of binoculars or whatever it is, then you set

1027
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: up a consultation for that and and that kind of thing.

1028
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: So we got a bunch of cool things there with

1029
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: with that and a forum starting a forum, there's gonna

1030
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: be a public forum for just gear discussion, discussion amongst unters,

1031
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, so that that'll be on the

1032
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: on the website as well. So yeah, I a bunch

1033
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: of stuff dropping over there and gear auctions and all

1034
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: kinds of fun stuff.

1035
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, it'll be a little fun

1036
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: of to finally launch that. It's been a long process.

1037
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: That's so much work.

1038
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how much time and effort you

1039
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: have put into bringing that to fruition.

1040
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's awesome, but yeah, it'll be fun. Yeah.

1041
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: I always wonder, like these guys that do gear reviews,

1042
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: what do you do with all that gearty Soon I

1043
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: can't move You've got so much. I just you know,

1044
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: because I get a fair amount of gear not to review,

1045
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: but you know, working with the Phelps team, you know,

1046
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: first light. We get all the new gear that comes

1047
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: out of here, and it's like, man, I'm just running

1048
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: out of room, right these hunting clothes.

1049
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the same.

1050
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: It's so busy with writing reviews, editing, filming, editing, maintaining

1051
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: the website, trying to you know, things break and go

1052
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: wrong and try to fix that or contact my developer

1053
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: or whatever the.

1054
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: Case may be.

1055
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: And then it's just you know, figuring out what to

1056
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: do with stuff, the gear that I have that they

1057
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: can't possibly use it.

1058
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: All that kind of comes very lowest priority, you know, right.

1059
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: So hopefully this will motivate me to to stay on

1060
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: top of that little better and I have over the

1061
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 3: last seven years.

1062
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's exciting. And what about hunting films?

1063
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: You got anything coming out or anything in the works

1064
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: for more hunting films?

1065
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1066
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna continue on and we've got some more

1067
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: planned for twenty twenty five. Here, I've burned my Colorado

1068
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 3: points this year to Colorado, Mule Deer and Elk down there.

1069
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: That's the plan. We're gonna film that. John's gonna come down.

1070
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: It'll be so fun. I'm gonna do a nine day hunt.

1071
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Yeah, it'll be a long tree rifle rifle.

1072
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1073
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so we're gonna do that and got another one, uh,

1074
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: most likely depending on draws.

1075
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: You know, everything can change when.

1076
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: Draws come out here in a few weeks, months, whatever

1077
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 3: it is. So some of the rest of it's holding

1078
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: pretty loosely. But I've got the points for sure to

1079
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: draw this tag, so so that that one's for sure

1080
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: on the calendar, and one or two other possibilities depending

1081
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 3: on draws and how that all comes out.

1082
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and even if you don't draw a

1083
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: tag and I don't, I'm sure you'll have a hunt

1084
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: of some kind. And yeah, you know, maybe they have

1085
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: to film it.

1086
00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: That's the plan.

1087
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 3: And I have a backup plan for if nobody drives

1088
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: anything that that we really want to film. We'll get

1089
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: some ideas there that I'm hoping to do to do

1090
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: the Colorado Hunt, and and one other and and being

1091
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: a nine day hunt, you know, let me you may

1092
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: turn into two or or may just be one, depending

1093
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: on how it plays out, and so we'll have it

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00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: should be fun though, It's gonna be a fun season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: Colorado is amazing place. It's so pretty and depending on

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00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: where you go. It's it's one place is a different

1098
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: kind of pretty compared to the next. So yeah, I've

1099
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: only hunted there twice, but it's it's it's a beautiful place.

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00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.

1101
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be fun. I've been hunting there once and

1102
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: it was that year with fires and so it was

1103
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: just kind of a perfect storm of the fires came,

1104
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: so consolidate everybody to one unit that that could hunt

1105
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: one union in the group that we were hunting. And

1106
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: then it was super cold, a cold snap hit, but

1107
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: there was still a fire and from the fires, so

1108
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: it was minus sixteen. Now you couldn't build a fire,

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00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 3: so we were we were suffering for that.

1110
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Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Yeah, So that was it was a

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00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: rough year.

1112
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: And then the hunters everywhere because you know, there were

1113
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 3: three units conduncetne down to one and over the counter

1114
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 3: kind of tag so it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a tough hunt. So that sounds brutal.

1116
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, So hopefully this this time is hopefully we call

1117
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 3: round redemption hunt.

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00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there you go. You got you got

1119
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: a theme, right, you got you got you got a

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00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: storyline there?

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00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, man, I look.

1122
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to your your videos, this this fall

1123
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: and appreciate it and your video reviews and your website

1124
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: updates and stuff, and it's a lot of exciting stuff.

1125
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: And this is this is your site getting This is

1126
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: not even what you do full time, You're what do

1127
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: you do for full time?

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00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: I was super super exciting compared to this in a

1129
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 3: compliance right, so mortgage compliance. Yeah, so it's it's different

1130
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: than gear review and website development and content creation. So

1131
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: but you've been doing that for twenty two years now.

1132
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: I think it is so wow a long time that.

1133
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: Compliance that you have to I feel like you have

1134
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: to be a pretty patient person to work in the

1135
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: field like that because there's so much stuff flying about it.

1136
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, especially in regulated industries. Yeah, it's a lot

1137
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: to deal with there. So yeah, that's it mixes things up,

1138
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 3: which is good, you know. So I can stop working

1139
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: and then start working, but it doesn't feel like I'm

1140
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: starting working on the side gigs so yeah.

1141
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it's definitely a passion Yeah, passion project, I'm sure. Yeah,

1142
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: or you wouldn't have been it wouldn't have done it

1143
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: so long.

1144
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: No, No, I definitely don't do it for the money. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,

1145
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: that's awesome. Well where can people find you?

1146
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 3: The websites Backwards Pursuit dot com and uh YouTube channels

1147
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 3: just backwards pursuit of course, Instagram, Facebook, if those are

1148
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: all there as well, Backwards Pursuit, Yah, yeah, I think

1149
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 3: I think we're on X as well, but I don't

1150
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: do a whole lot over there, post reviews and whatnot.

1151
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, those are the main channels there.

1152
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never got on X. I don't know what

1153
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I don't know how tol it works.

1154
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're supposed to do.

1155
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: Like you just get on there and it's funny, like yes,

1156
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: like Elker better than Mule there changed my mind, right, yeah,

1157
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: you know, and you just get on there to argue

1158
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: with people. I don't know. But then I see where

1159
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: some people will share something like you to share, you know,

1160
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: just little tidbits information from a hunt or whatever, kind.

1161
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 2: Of like LinkedIn.

1162
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: LinkedIn is kind of weird too, so people share a

1163
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: lot of stuff on there, and I never shared a

1164
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: thing on there.

1165
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: But it's kind of like figuring out the difference between

1166
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: the long form YouTube video and the shorts and what

1167
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: makes them pop. Because I've done some shorts. I like

1168
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: god to be cool and then it's like, nope, nope,

1169
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: that did not hit the other hit.

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00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, shorts are crazy. My buddy Tom Schneider from

1171
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: Stuck in the Rut, he was telling me that shorts

1172
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: have been great for them. Of course they've got a

1173
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: lot of bang flop type videos, you know, yeah, shoot

1174
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: the animal goes down, and those are of course every

1175
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: really click on those. But he's like, it's crazy, like

1176
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: they've gotten some great track, like a million views on

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00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: some videos. He's like, some of the ones he thought

1178
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't even go good, yeah went gangbusters. So I feel

1179
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: like once you find that recipe or capture that that moment,

1180
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, then it could go viral for you.

1181
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1182
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: So the only thing that I've been able to determine

1183
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: the YouTube algorithms and what's going to make certain videos

1184
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: do well or not. And this is sarcasm, but the

1185
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: less time you spend on it, in the poorer quality

1186
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: it is, seems to do better than the more time spend.

1187
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: Well. I think there could be something to that.

1188
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people.

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00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: They'll say it in the comments, like this is over

1190
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: too much fancy, Yet it's I hate the music. It's like, okay,

1191
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: well what was it about the music?

1192
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: Was it?

1193
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: The genre? Was it?

1194
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: The frequency was at the sound level? Was it? Because

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00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm always looking like, well, what didn't you like about

1196
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: music exactly? Could be specific or it looked at genre,

1197
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: But okay, well that's you know, that's just personal taste

1198
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: for sure. Some people like opera, some people like rap,

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00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: you know, tomato tomato.

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00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: Right exactly.

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00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's it's good to kind of figure

1202
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: out what what makes a tick. But back to the point,

1203
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of people, like there's different

1204
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: viewers on YouTube. There's the ones that like, you know,

1205
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: fulfil feature film stuff like like your Elk hunt. And

1206
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: then there's people that like just the quick and dirty,

1207
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 1: you know, just like it quick edit, you know, eight

1208
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: minutes long, nothing fancy, you know, music just you know,

1209
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: maybe the camera's a little shaky. The place for both,

1210
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: I think I think there is, yeah, and maybe maybe

1211
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: we can maybe a filmmaker can do both. It's like,

1212
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: all right, this is going to be the maybe I

1213
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: shoot it myself and take you guys along with me

1214
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: on the hunt. Yeah, and then this is the one

1215
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: that I had my good friend John Abernathy Common film

1216
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: and edit, and it's gonna be a work of art,

1217
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: right right exactly. I like I like both.

1218
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there I do too too, So they're both fun

1219
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: to watch in different ways, you know, yeah, in different ways.

1220
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.

1221
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: Well, man, I just keep rambling on here, but appreciate

1222
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: the conversation absolutely, And yeah, good luck with this new

1223
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: new next level on your on your website and reviews.

1224
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's it'll be a lot

1225
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: of fun. And I'm sure it'll be like everything, there's

1226
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 3: learning curves with all of it. And just keep plugging

1227
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: away and keep popping out the reviews. And got a

1228
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: great team of guys that that I love doing the

1229
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: reviews and help out a ton and and so that's

1230
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: that's awesome to have them. And so when I need

1231
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: to focus on you know, the we have inside of

1232
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: things and they can't dive into reviews myself as much,

1233
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: then they keep rolling on that too.

1234
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's been good.

1235
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: Perfect, Well cool, Well we'll catch you and everybody else

1236
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: on the flip flop.

1237
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you appreciate you having me on.

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00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: It's great chatting yet, thank you