Speaker 1: Did you fly across the country with that arm and
Speaker 1: that I did? Wow, I need did it get did
Speaker 1: you check it? Or did you take it and carry.
Speaker 2: And checked it and wrapped it in a bunch of clothing.
Speaker 3: It removed his kids? His kids like car seat.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, the kids are just riding loose in
Speaker 2: the back. I like to call it raw dogging highways,
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Speaker 1: they like doing a voice note and or are they
Speaker 1: just saying to the tune of to the creep And
Speaker 1: then you have to go to you And I.
Speaker 2: Am lazy enough that I will rarely go and re
Speaker 2: listen to the song to remind myself. So I just
Speaker 2: picked the ones that I can immediately. I'm like, oh yeah,
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Speaker 2: since it came out. I'm thrilled to be joined by
Speaker 2: a very special guest co host with the guest mo host,
Speaker 2: a hilarious and brilliant stand up comedian, writer, actor, improviser.
Speaker 5: Bitches. They didn't kill me, and.
Speaker 2: They tried, they tried, Reagan tried. The beef has started,
Speaker 2: and Reagan it's started well. Paulay, thank you, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining filling in for Miles once again,
Speaker 2: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 2: by a podcaster extraordinary, you know, from this day in
Speaker 2: esoteric political history, from radio toopia. He's also hosted thirty
Speaker 2: for thirty for ESPN, the five thirty eight politics podcast.
Speaker 2: He's the lead producer on The Puzzler. It's Jody Abergade.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a nice little yeah, yeah, I appreciated that, Dan,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. This is great and probably nice
Speaker 1: to meet you.
Speaker 5: Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: I have an AKA for you if you want if
Speaker 2: you want to.
Speaker 1: Oh you want to do it? Yeah, let's hear.
Speaker 2: Hey Joe doy Aver again, where are you going with
Speaker 2: that podcast? Mike and your hand?
Speaker 1: Ah Man? That one, that one was not suggested by
Speaker 1: a brilliant listener. That was just from the top.
Speaker 2: But I think you know, it's not all about the
Speaker 2: syllables actually fitting sometimes that's all.
Speaker 1: It's about the delivery about.
Speaker 2: It just like what pops into my head and it.
Speaker 1: Gets about the heart and believe. And that's exactly what
Speaker 1: Raygun told herself.
Speaker 3: How badly do you want?
Speaker 1: Just about the passion.
Speaker 2: It's just about believing in yourself, having that attitude where
Speaker 2: you're kind of like looking back at the judges just
Speaker 2: you know, can you top this thing them.
Speaker 3: Do you know what she reminded me of. She reminded
Speaker 3: me of like a Missy Elliott video reject you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the vibes I got.
Speaker 2: My early rounds of American idol type ery. Want one
Speaker 2: of our greats to ever cross the I don't know,
Speaker 2: but that's right. All right, Jody, We're going to get
Speaker 2: to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 2: we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things
Speaker 2: we're talking about today. We are, of course talking about
Speaker 2: the big Trump Musk interview, which I don't know I
Speaker 2: could have. I feel like I could have predicted most
Speaker 2: of the thing that were going to happen in that interview,
Speaker 2: the talking points, the technical problems, the technical problems both
Speaker 2: in terms of Twitter being able to stay up and
Speaker 2: also his teeth being able to stay in his mouth.
Speaker 2: We might get to Rey Gun, we might get to
Speaker 2: the mind of Hollywood. We'll get to Raygun. All right,
Speaker 2: we'll get to ray Gun, all of that plenty more.
Speaker 2: But first, Jody, we do like to ask our guests,
Speaker 2: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 2: who you are? Well?
Speaker 1: I just this morning actually it's going to come out
Speaker 1: in a week or two. Recorded an episode of my
Speaker 1: political History podcast where we looked at the history of
Speaker 1: like weird convention moments because the convention's coming up and
Speaker 1: we're just a fun episode to look at some strangs.
Speaker 1: So my search history is full of like videos of
Speaker 1: like Clint Eastwood talking to that empty chair in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: If you remember that, that was the moment moment iconic.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you that the one that has
Speaker 1: ingered with me the most. And we go back way
Speaker 1: back in time into like there's some amazing stories from
Speaker 1: conventions in like the twenties and thirties, but the when
Speaker 1: Al Gore kissed Tipper Gore for like an uncomfortably long
Speaker 1: amount of time in two thousand. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: And it kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I kind of do that. It left my
Speaker 2: brain too, and now it's come back and I'm like
Speaker 2: why again, and weirdly.
Speaker 1: Like it's the one that has just continued to rattle
Speaker 1: around in my brain.
Speaker 2: So you know, why did I do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know, I've had this reputation as being like stiff,
Speaker 1: and so I think they wanted to come out and
Speaker 1: show like I got a little this like it looked
Speaker 1: look we do it, we do a like real zupprudor
Speaker 1: breakdown of it on our show. But it looks like
Speaker 1: they hadn't decided they were going to do this, Like
Speaker 1: Tipper looks caught off guard and does that little uncomfortable
Speaker 1: leaning back thing and he keeps going in and it's
Speaker 1: like a solid three seconds. Anyway, it's, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: the one weird political moment that has got.
Speaker 5: The lean away from his wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they separated in twenty.
Speaker 1: Ten, twenty ten, but yeah, nobody know.
Speaker 2: It was, but they were on that. Yeah, two days
Speaker 2: in a row. We're talking Gore because real had Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had Rhiann and her mom on yesterday from the
Speaker 2: five to four podcast. Oh yeah, and we were talking
Speaker 2: about Bush v. Gore in the context of the upcoming
Speaker 2: election because the Supreme Court is poised. They kind of
Speaker 2: were ready to get involved in the last one. They
Speaker 2: were doing all sorts of funck shit like in the
Speaker 2: lead up to the last one, but they didn't have
Speaker 2: like Amy Cony Barrett was like only half through the
Speaker 2: process or like was just freshly on. So she was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to weigh in. But they were like
Speaker 2: throwing out mail in ballots and doing all sorts of
Speaker 2: wild shit, like along ideological lines. I just read a
Speaker 2: biography of like the first I guess forty years of
Speaker 2: JFK's life, and he fucks that guy fucks like too much.
Speaker 2: It's a problem, but it made me realize that we've
Speaker 2: been robbed of like an entertaining thing is probably not
Speaker 2: the best in terms of political order and like how
Speaker 2: things work. But like the conventions, like they used to
Speaker 2: determine who was going to be vice president, like.
Speaker 1: He was, I mean, it was like, yeah, we'd go
Speaker 1: in and it'd just be a sort of open.
Speaker 2: Question and then they would like fight for it.
Speaker 1: We almost we almost got that this year, and I
Speaker 1: think we're getting I mean, I'll be curious to see
Speaker 1: if we've gotten enough of a taste this year of
Speaker 1: what it's like when you this isn't a year and
Speaker 1: a half long process where it's like there's all this
Speaker 1: energy at the end.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'd be curious if the parties come out of this
Speaker 1: and be like, you know what, maybe we should just
Speaker 1: kind of like lay low and then like the summer
Speaker 1: before the election, just go for it. Almost every other
Speaker 1: country in the in the world dies amazing.
Speaker 3: If they actually learned from this process, that would be beautiful.
Speaker 2: I thought I had like after the twenty twenty election
Speaker 2: and seeing like and it was really like, you know,
Speaker 2: after twenty sixteen with like Obama's popularity was like kind
Speaker 2: of low, and then you had it's just any sitting
Speaker 2: president becomes unpopular in the modern world, And so it
Speaker 2: made me wonder, like, will it become a thing? It's
Speaker 2: going to be a struggle between the incumbent who has
Speaker 2: a lot of power because they're the president, and I
Speaker 2: think like more and more party officials are going to
Speaker 2: be like, it does not make sense for you to
Speaker 2: be our candidate again. Everybody fucking hates you, like they
Speaker 2: just don't like, like, no matter what you do, if
Speaker 2: you have four years as president in our current media environment,
Speaker 2: people are going to hate you. And then yeah, if
Speaker 2: if Harris and Walls are able to like sprint through
Speaker 2: the finish line, I think you're right, like that will
Speaker 2: be even more reason for people to kind of change
Speaker 2: the way they approach this and just be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what if we what if we like switch things up
Speaker 2: all the time, What if you know, just throw throw
Speaker 2: a Wammie in there, throw a reverse.
Speaker 3: No, they just keep making the candidates get younger and
Speaker 3: younger until their babies.
Speaker 1: The president, right, but you only get to run for
Speaker 1: one term, so at the age two.
Speaker 3: To six, so they're like the baby is thirty or
Speaker 3: the president is thirty six months old.
Speaker 1: Now a lot of youthful energy.
Speaker 2: That's right, What Jody is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is underrated. This might be
Speaker 1: more what I've been listening to lately, but I was,
Speaker 1: but I've been personally riding the rated and overrated and
Speaker 1: underrated roller coaster with Charles Mingus lately. And that's because
Speaker 1: in part because of the Kamala stuff and all those
Speaker 1: pictures of her holding up all those records and one
Speaker 1: of them was a Mingus record, And do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, those those memes of her. So
Speaker 1: there was there was this video of Kamala Harris, like
Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago, and it started flying
Speaker 1: around when she was once she captured the nomination, and
Speaker 1: it was like her coming out of a record store
Speaker 1: and she had like some you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: great albums, and one of them was a Mingus album.
Speaker 1: And then someone made a little thing you could where
Speaker 1: you could like insert have her had like a photoshop
Speaker 1: automatically photoshop her holding up any album you wanted, and
Speaker 1: it was very clever, right But anyway, so it just
Speaker 1: Mingus has been one of my favorite urts for a
Speaker 1: long time and and seems weirdly criminally underrated. And it
Speaker 1: was nice to see Kamala buying a Mingus album and
Speaker 1: it's put me back on a very big Mingus kick
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks. A jazz musician, oh yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: jazz musician who also trained his cats how to use
Speaker 1: the toilet. But that's another story.
Speaker 5: Really, that's why I'm a fan of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually jazz work. I just you're a fan
Speaker 1: of the Charles Mingus a cat for toilet training your cats.
Speaker 1: You used to be able to write Charles Mingus a
Speaker 1: letter to a peel box in downtown Manhattan and then
Speaker 1: if you and enclosed two dollars and then he would
Speaker 1: mail you back a photo.
Speaker 2: Method method, the method with the Mingas method.
Speaker 1: It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, And do we have access to that method?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We did. I did a whole radio piece for
Speaker 1: it one time, and then tried to train a kitten
Speaker 1: using the Mingus method and it didn't work that way.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I talked to a cat. I talked
Speaker 1: to a vet and like sort of cat psychologist who
Speaker 1: validated that Mingus really had sort of tapped into something
Speaker 1: about cat psychology in terms of the method he was
Speaker 1: using to coax cats into using the.
Speaker 2: Toilet was one of the steps, like play just the
Speaker 2: smoothest jazz for them, like so that they get super relex.
Speaker 3: There's some joke about scatting in here.
Speaker 2: There is there is, It's in there.
Speaker 3: I saw Kamala won some Italian pasta making contests, like
Speaker 3: all of these things from when she was like from
Speaker 3: twenty twelve or something. All of these random facts are
Speaker 3: coming out about her, and it's just very surprising, Like
Speaker 3: what's being unearthed?
Speaker 2: That's cool. What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: Jody, Okay, here's what I've been thinking about a lot.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I think it's overrated underrate,
Speaker 1: but I've been sort of working through it. But I
Speaker 1: have maybe reached a saturation point on talking about vibes
Speaker 1: and like it's a phrase that I use a lot.
Speaker 1: I find it very useful I will very likely utter
Speaker 1: it at some point in our upcoming conversation. But I
Speaker 1: have been catching myself lately and been like, maybe this
Speaker 1: term has run its course and maybe its aura. Now,
Speaker 1: did you know right exactly? Yeah, yeah, but ora is.
Speaker 5: A little it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, in theory, it is right, but it doesn't aura
Speaker 1: feel like it's being used more to talk about individuals,
Speaker 1: the presence in a room and vib is.
Speaker 3: More more flexible. It be a person, or it can
Speaker 3: be like the general feeling in the room right or.
Speaker 1: In the country or whatever. Yeah, but you know, I've
Speaker 1: been hearing it. I mean, you know it's it has
Speaker 1: clearly reached a saturation point and maybe a played out
Speaker 1: point is the sort of what I'm identifying. But you
Speaker 1: know I'm hearing it like on fucking like Meet the Press,
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, calm of the vibes around common Like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's probably a flashing CD.
Speaker 3: You know, it's definitely like old head news now or
Speaker 3: head terminology. But I'm like, yeah, I'm definitely in the
Speaker 3: like embracing the hello fellow kids moment where I'm just like,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm still going to use it.
Speaker 5: It's still it's I don't care if it dates.
Speaker 1: Me, And it is very useful for when you kind
Speaker 1: of like I mean, I think like intuition, sort of
Speaker 1: that ineffable thing about like excitement and emotion feeling like
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a little hard to put language that in
Speaker 1: vibes is very useful in that case. But I also
Speaker 1: sometimes feel like people are just falling back on it
Speaker 1: way too much.
Speaker 3: I think it can also be like discriminatory, not because
Speaker 3: I do think that back like ten whatever years ago
Speaker 3: in Silicon Valley, they would always call it like we
Speaker 3: don't know how your fit will be at this company,
Speaker 3: and that was always like.
Speaker 5: Coded racist terms or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it can be used like in that
Speaker 3: way too. So it's definitely fun that it's intangible, but
Speaker 3: it can also be used weaponized in a way that's
Speaker 3: not good.
Speaker 1: Right, You just say the vibes are off it. You
Speaker 1: don't have to really copey on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, not quite sure. It's just the vibes. Something
Speaker 2: about the vibes, toxic vibes.
Speaker 5: The vibe seemed ethnic.
Speaker 2: He's being called the vibes candidate, Like, I feel like
Speaker 2: that was every news lead on Tim Walls. For sure, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's any any way that you can like. Once it
Speaker 2: becomes adopted by establishment powers, then it becomes a tool
Speaker 2: for like you said, like on all the Tangibles they're great,
Speaker 2: but the Vibes category they were they scored a zero
Speaker 2: point five out of ten. And we're not sure why,
Speaker 2: but the you know, like it just gives you a
Speaker 2: new language for doing whatever the fuck you want.
Speaker 3: Essentially, they always said that a joke was dead when
Speaker 3: it hit late night, when like a late night host
Speaker 3: would start using it like an internet joke, and then
Speaker 3: you're like, all right, that's done.
Speaker 5: We're done with that.
Speaker 1: Oh and you know, Jimmy Fallon has been talking about
Speaker 1: vibes for a year and a half ages. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's dead. But I like zeitgeist. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a word that I find myself using a lot
Speaker 1: and what do you what's your tagline? And then showed
Speaker 1: the shared shared consciousness. That's a nice little I like that.
Speaker 1: But that's what it's kind of getting at. And I
Speaker 1: think it is useful to talk about that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And this is good because we're canceling our planned rebrand
Speaker 2: to be the American Vibes Cast. Was there a new.
Speaker 3: Title Vibes Cast USA.
Speaker 2: That's right, you're gonna be hosted by Casey case All right, Uh,
Speaker 2: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 2: talk some news. We'll be right back, and we're back,
Speaker 2: and the vibes of this show may never recover from
Speaker 2: the al Gore tipper door kiss that has entered my mind.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, like I wonder are we doing
Speaker 2: a disservice to our younger listeners, because I do feel
Speaker 2: like it had been somewhat purged from the shared consciousness,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it was where we were like
Speaker 2: we're actually doing a solid for ourselves for a mental
Speaker 2: well being, and we're going to pretend that never happened
Speaker 2: because he didn't win, so like you don't you don't
Speaker 2: have to like remember it. But yeah, that sucked.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to.
Speaker 5: Bed.
Speaker 3: I really hope I never get to a point in
Speaker 3: my life where someone sees me kiss somebody else and
Speaker 3: is like that sucks.
Speaker 2: Oh God, I guess watching watching people kiss is never great,
Speaker 2: Like even movie kisses. I'm always like, is that really?
Speaker 2: I don't know, like that it never feels great, but
Speaker 2: that that one is way way off, way off base,
Speaker 2: your way off bass Al Gore, all right, Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk, the Big interview vibes, So we are and
Speaker 2: by the way, we are completely just leaning in.
Speaker 1: On vibes and I apologize Judy's.
Speaker 2: The We will not be using it to fire anyone.
Speaker 2: During carrying this episode, it was this like to announce
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was back on Twitter, I couldn't. I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell, Like it seemed like that was part of
Speaker 2: what people were saying, like, was it just he's back
Speaker 2: because he's doing the interview.
Speaker 3: I don't, No, I feel like he came back and
Speaker 3: they interviewed. I don't know if it was in conjunction
Speaker 3: with that. I think it was definitely for Elon Musk
Speaker 3: just to kind of be on his dick, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 5: I think it was just for Elon Musk to tell.
Speaker 2: The trold why association, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Why he's voting for him and doesn't care about the
Speaker 3: comments he made about electric vehicles or anything. Right, So
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but it definitely is a move of
Speaker 3: desperation for him to come back to Twitter because the
Speaker 3: stuff he was posting on truth social was insane, and
Speaker 3: so now he's like, let me bring that back to Twitter,
Speaker 3: because Twitter isn't assessedool?
Speaker 1: But has he started posting posting again because his account
Speaker 1: got reinstated right by mostous was one of his first
Speaker 1: moves after he took over. And then yeah, I think
Speaker 1: this is clearly he's trying to do this and try
Speaker 1: and get him. It's funny how Trump posting on Twitter,
Speaker 1: like everyone thinks that's good. Well, I mean Democrats like, yeah,
Speaker 1: go for it. Yeah, I mean, you know what, love
Speaker 1: this guy to be. It's like you you being crazy
Speaker 1: fifteen times a yeah, right into people's feeds. And then
Speaker 1: Republicans are obviously like, yeah, you know, we don't want to.
Speaker 3: He has been posting insane shit on Twitter, like recently
Speaker 3: starting audio well, it was starting yesterday.
Speaker 1: Actually, there you go.
Speaker 5: He's so yeah.
Speaker 3: His first tweetback was like a like a two minute
Speaker 3: video of him speaking to crowds and stuff, and then
Speaker 3: the next one was are you better off now than
Speaker 3: when you then you were when I was president? Our
Speaker 3: economy is shattered, our border has been raised for a
Speaker 3: nation in decline. Make the American dream affordable again, make
Speaker 3: America safe again, America, make America great again.
Speaker 5: And then just a lot of.
Speaker 2: Like I want to see where he's going with this.
Speaker 2: That sounds pretty good. It was just like campaign talking points.
Speaker 3: It doesn't campaign talking points. A lot of really weird
Speaker 3: graphics of him and and I.
Speaker 1: Mean, life was great four years ago. It's a little
Speaker 1: it's a little hazy, but I feel like summer twenty
Speaker 1: twenty it.
Speaker 3: Kind of was because he did get COVID and that
Speaker 3: was fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: Ye may have been Twitter's greatest night ever.
Speaker 5: That was a wonderful moment for Twitter.
Speaker 2: So just big, big picture impressions. There seems to be
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about the word I'm seeing is slurring,
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was slurring. Yeah, it felt more like
Speaker 2: he was speaking without his teeth in, or his dentures
Speaker 2: were sliding out, or like becoming unstuck. It sounded like
Speaker 2: he had old prospector mouth going on, you know.
Speaker 5: Allations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the scourge of old prospector mouth that you have
Speaker 2: to a cordon off and quarantine year old prospectors if
Speaker 2: you notice it in your old prospecting community. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. It does feel like part
Speaker 2: of the energy that has been released from the switch
Speaker 2: to Kamala Harris is all the stuff that was bad
Speaker 2: about Biden we can now point out about Trump and
Speaker 2: him slurring and seeming incredibly old is one of those things.
Speaker 3: So I think that's they still haven't gotten the memo though,
Speaker 3: because in that space, he was still attacking Biden, like
Speaker 3: he still didn't want to let go of his talking
Speaker 3: points about Biden, and then he kind of slipped Kamala's
Speaker 3: name in there, and it was like, you sound insane
Speaker 3: right now because you sound old, right and you're still
Speaker 3: attacking someone who isn't even there, Like he's not convinced
Speaker 3: he's in the current race as it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, he desperately wants to keep running
Speaker 1: against Biden. And I think it's like that campaign was
Speaker 1: like and it's sort of incredible that they didn't. It
Speaker 1: seems to have really not occurred to them that Biden
Speaker 1: would really drop out, and they were called flat footed,
Speaker 1: which is kind of stunning because I think it was
Speaker 1: pretty obvious for a while at least it was a
Speaker 1: big possibility. But the slurring lisping thing, I mean, my
Speaker 1: first instinct with stuff like that is that I tend
Speaker 1: to get a little I tend to be a little
Speaker 1: dismissive of it and get a little exasperated of it
Speaker 1: because it feels a little bit of like, you know,
Speaker 1: orange Man, bad Resistance, blue wave shugar kind of thing
Speaker 1: to focus on. And it's like, yeah, you know, why
Speaker 1: not just keep focusing on The guy is clearly aduled,
Speaker 1: And the thing that's adult that tells you he's addled
Speaker 1: is not some like slur that you may hear. It's
Speaker 1: like the actual words coming out of is the fact
Speaker 1: that they can't put together.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: But then and then I like, also the radio producer
Speaker 1: of me was like, yeah, microphones are really wonky things,
Speaker 1: and like sometimes connects to the combiny. We've all been
Speaker 1: on zoom calls where like you're talking to someone's like
Speaker 1: you sound like a robot, Like what's going on? So
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe it's that. But then I saw a
Speaker 1: video from like inside the room that was shot and
Speaker 1: presumably released on purpose by someone in his camp, and
Speaker 1: he's like kind of Lispian slurring, So now I'm like,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the denture thing. I don't know it's And
Speaker 1: like that's just such an encapsulation of this moment where
Speaker 1: it's like you want to be the rational one who
Speaker 1: doesn't go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. But then
Speaker 1: it's like maybe it actually is, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just very destabilizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The one thing I would say, the reason that it
Speaker 3: is important and that it's not just like blue wave Twitter,
Speaker 3: like it goes outside of that bubble is because how
Speaker 3: this election has been run has not been on policy.
Speaker 5: It's been on aesthetics.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so because we are playing the Republican's game,
Speaker 3: I think even though it's kind of been proven that
Speaker 3: voters don't really give a shit about hypocrisy, I think
Speaker 3: if we're going to kind of beat them at their
Speaker 3: own game, then you have to point out these inconsistencies
Speaker 3: and how he kind of fulfills.
Speaker 5: Their version of weak. Yea, because this whole thing has.
Speaker 3: Been I'm strong, law order whatever, this man's old, he
Speaker 3: doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 5: And then you have like, like.
Speaker 3: His whole thing is he came on Twitter not to
Speaker 3: have a contentious interview. This wasn't the black journalist you know, Caucus.
Speaker 3: This was this was a very easy interview, and it's
Speaker 3: still caused people to think he was weak as a
Speaker 3: presidential candidate. So I think that's why it's being emphasized
Speaker 3: so strongly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in terms of there was also the fact that
Speaker 2: it took them a good thirty minutes to get things
Speaker 2: forty minutes to get things up and running. Not a
Speaker 2: great look. This is the second time that they've tried
Speaker 2: to create a big like appointment viewing moment on x post,
Speaker 2: you know, Elon Musk and just like with the DeSantis
Speaker 2: announcing his candidacy, glitched out forty minutes late. A lot
Speaker 2: of like blame going round, a lot of denial that
Speaker 2: it was glitching out, a lot of you know, blaming,
Speaker 2: saying that Democrats were like trying to stop, yeah, launch
Speaker 2: a d DAWs attack, Which that.
Speaker 5: Was so funny.
Speaker 2: It was so funny to actually say that.
Speaker 3: I think, I don't know, I don't know what that was,
Speaker 3: but I think, like, if that's the case, I like,
Speaker 3: I just think it's so funny because you're saying that
Speaker 3: you're susceptible to that after being at Twitter for so long,
Speaker 3: you're saying that you're not as smart as the Democrats
Speaker 3: at reassuring the people using your platform that you can
Speaker 3: be secure against those types of attacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you specifically blamed that Democrats
Speaker 1: definitely floated the idea that they were under a DEDOS attack.
Speaker 1: And first off, I mean the Washington Post, who had
Speaker 1: a much better article about this than the New York Times,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, But the Washington Post like called someone
Speaker 1: at Twitter and was like, were you guys under and
Speaker 1: the guy and they were like no, every other part
Speaker 1: of Twitter was working just fine. Like you know, it's
Speaker 1: just not you know, I think you scratch at that
Speaker 1: excuse and it falls apart pretty quickly. But I do
Speaker 1: like the possibility that has put that into the zeitgeist
Speaker 1: as a possible excuse for when things are going bad.
Speaker 1: I'm going to start trotting out, yeah, I'm under addos
Speaker 1: account and attack anytime something goes wrong for me.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to look through Elon Musk's replies to see
Speaker 3: where he talked about the Democrats. This man I'm scrolling
Speaker 3: and it's just a few hours back from now. This
Speaker 3: man is constantly on Twitter. Yes, like he's not like
Speaker 3: I understand using, but doesn't he have a lot of
Speaker 3: work to do?
Speaker 5: Like this is insane.
Speaker 1: He just bought it to be Twitter Twitter guy number one.
Speaker 1: I mean just he literally bought the company because he
Speaker 1: just wanted to be able to tweet all day.
Speaker 2: And call it for Twitter. That's so wild in terms
Speaker 2: of the context of what they were talking about. It
Speaker 2: felt like a couple of billionaires gassing each other up,
Speaker 2: saying things that you would say if you didn't realize
Speaker 2: you were being recorded. And like at Davos, like Trump
Speaker 2: talked approvingly about Elon Musk's attempts to intimidate workers in
Speaker 2: a way that got them both sued the next morning,
Speaker 2: Like the UAW on Tuesday filed federal labor charges alleging
Speaker 2: that Trump and Elon Musk attempted to intimidate and threaten
Speaker 2: workers during their Monday evening interview on x And you know,
Speaker 2: from a political standpoint, it gave the UAW an opportunity
Speaker 2: to reiterate why they think Trump is really bad and
Speaker 2: why they do not endorse him. It was just again,
Speaker 2: you keep seeing these calls from within the Trump campaign
Speaker 2: and within Republican circles to like rein it in and
Speaker 2: like stay on message, and it's just like that is
Speaker 2: definitely not who you signed up with, you know, like
Speaker 2: that is I.
Speaker 1: Mean, this is the message. There's no message to stay
Speaker 1: on I mean people haven't realized that by now. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I thought this after the NABJ thing, where honestly,
Speaker 1: my first thought when Trump gave that interview to that
Speaker 1: National Association back journalisty, you know, question whether Kamlo is
Speaker 1: actually black? And I had the same thought after this,
Speaker 1: I literally was like that probably went about as well
Speaker 1: as it could have, Like what else should we have expected?
Speaker 1: Like this is this is it for him? Like this
Speaker 1: is what we have. This isn't an aberration or a failure.
Speaker 1: It is just who the person is. And Americans don't
Speaker 1: like that person. And I think the more that person
Speaker 1: is in front of them, the more they remember that
Speaker 1: they don't like that person. And so you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see.
Speaker 2: He said, I mean, I look at what you do.
Speaker 2: You walk in, you say you want to quit, they
Speaker 2: go on strike. I will mention the name of the company,
Speaker 2: but they go on strike. And you said that's okay,
Speaker 2: You're all gone. I'm sure. Elon Musk was like, like,
Speaker 2: guess he's saying that. Likewise, it's like no, no, no, that
Speaker 2: would be illegal. That is that thing you just said,
Speaker 2: i'd you is not legal, but also said jokingly but
Speaker 2: in a way that while discounting global warming and climate change,
Speaker 2: you know, said that like, at most it's an eighth
Speaker 2: of an inch every three hundred years of sea level rise,
Speaker 2: which is like one to one thousandth of what middle
Speaker 2: of the road estimates are. And then he also said
Speaker 2: that it was going to create more beachfront property, like
Speaker 2: fucking lex Luthor, which is just like it's a thing
Speaker 2: that a rich guy would say to another rich guy
Speaker 2: in confidence, you know, and be like yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like fun joke, but just such a fucking wild thing
Speaker 2: to say that.
Speaker 3: That's also not the only time they joked about people
Speaker 3: dying and not giving a shit in this entire thing,
Speaker 3: right like, we'll talk about it. But later on they
Speaker 3: talked about Hiroshima and stuff in the same flippant way,
Speaker 3: like they did not care that people would die. They
Speaker 3: literally just look at it as property.
Speaker 1: I mean, so much of the GOP power base seems
Speaker 1: to be around this way, you know, where you described rightly, Jack,
Speaker 1: like just two rich guys chatting with each other, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole world of like these VC red
Speaker 1: pilled podcasts that seem to have like a lot of
Speaker 1: juice inside the Trump world right now, and then this
Speaker 1: was effectively that, right, So I guess I'm curious what
Speaker 1: you the two of you think about whether this then
Speaker 1: has an impact. I mean, are regular voters listening to
Speaker 1: this one or as Twitter just become a place where rich,
Speaker 1: red pilled people go to talk to each other and
Speaker 1: guess each other up. And two, if they are listening
Speaker 1: to this, what are they actually making of it?
Speaker 3: I'm kind of actually bummed because I don't think many
Speaker 3: regular voters are on Twitter and are definitely not active
Speaker 3: enough to understand how to use spaces, let alone stay
Speaker 3: in it for forty minutes or figure out the technical difficulties.
Speaker 3: So I actually think that this isn't going to get
Speaker 3: as much play or breadth of reception as I kind
Speaker 3: of hoped for, you know, people to hear him sound
Speaker 3: aesthetically like displeasing to his what you would think is
Speaker 3: constituents to want to hear. But I really I think
Speaker 3: this is just all of his interviews are just going
Speaker 3: to be like this, Like people are just gonna be
Speaker 3: like I hate it, I love it, whatever, you know.
Speaker 3: I feel like unless something happens, like I think with
Speaker 3: when he got COVID that really like struck a chord
Speaker 3: at his messaging, and that showed him in a light
Speaker 3: where he where he was vulnerable and incompetent in a
Speaker 3: way that like I think did affect like how voters
Speaker 3: felt about him, because it never is like I don't
Speaker 3: think people. I don't think the American people like I
Speaker 3: think they're more swayed by things like that than like,
Speaker 3: you know, specifics of policy because of how contradictory the
Speaker 3: legislative system is. So I think, basically I'm saying, I
Speaker 3: don't think it got to a broad enough audience for
Speaker 3: it to make a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think people were listening along and then
Speaker 2: like going to CNN and like looking at the twenty
Speaker 2: fact checks that they ruled were false claims in the conversation.
Speaker 2: I think some of the wilder shit that he said
Speaker 2: might make it out to people I didn't. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen much like come out of this interview that was
Speaker 2: like playing to his strength. Like the Drudge Report, I
Speaker 2: always check that website to see like how they're covering
Speaker 2: something because they are like probably the most powerful online
Speaker 2: kind of right wing media source, and like their headlines
Speaker 2: are Trump slurs through interview, increasingly bizarre claims Musk megamania.
Speaker 2: So I mean in the sense that I do think
Speaker 2: unfortunately Elon musk endorsement fucking matters, because yes, his his
Speaker 2: brand is very powerful, like in the way that people
Speaker 2: used to quote Einstein for anything smart sounding that they
Speaker 2: like heard someone say and maybe like, actually Einstein says
Speaker 2: the definition of stupidity is doing anything, Like I've now
Speaker 2: heard people do that with Elon Musk, where they.
Speaker 1: Do you really think that's still the case? I mean,
Speaker 1: after like three years ago, people were like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: Tony Stark in real life or whatever, but now he's
Speaker 1: like Howard Hughes late Howard Hughes. I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know that.
Speaker 2: That's broken through yet. Definitely for people who pay a
Speaker 2: lot of attention, right, I guess I'm talking about like
Speaker 2: whoever could still be these mythical undecided voters you know
Speaker 2: who were Yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I also think like, unfortunately, next to Trump, Elon sounds
Speaker 3: smarter even though he buys into the same effective policies
Speaker 3: or you know, things that could harm the America. People
Speaker 3: like they when they were talking about nuclear power, and
Speaker 3: it was very confusing about because Trump initially was talking
Speaker 3: about nuclear power, and then he talked about army tanks,
Speaker 3: and so it was unclear if he understood that nuclear
Speaker 3: power is different than like nuclear weapons.
Speaker 5: And then Elon was.
Speaker 3: Talking about his ability to like eat food around like plants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: It was just it was just confusing to Trump in
Speaker 3: a very obvious way that made Elon sound smarter. But
Speaker 3: then Elon was still like, Yeah, I'm gonna vote for you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna vote for this man who doesn't understand simple
Speaker 3: things that he should. For having nuclear codes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like they had nuclear power as one
Speaker 2: of the things to discuss, and Trump took it to
Speaker 2: be like the danger of nuclear powers, and so he
Speaker 2: was like, but to me, the big problem is the
Speaker 2: nuclear power. The power of nuclear is so great. When
Speaker 2: I talk about I'll prevent World War three, I will.
Speaker 2: The truth is that you have to because this is
Speaker 2: no longer army tanks going back and forth and shooting
Speaker 2: at each other, being being this the level of destruction
Speaker 2: and power that nobody's ever seen before.
Speaker 1: And then he also responds to a conversation about a
Speaker 1: nuclear power plant he just launched.
Speaker 2: He just launched into it. And then Elon Musk has
Speaker 2: to come in and be because I think they were
Speaker 2: talking about energy, and then Elon Musk had to come
Speaker 2: in and be like, Okay, so there's a bad side
Speaker 2: of nuclear which is a nuclear war, very bad side,
Speaker 2: but there's there's also I think nuclear electricity absolutely underrated
Speaker 2: and it's actually you know, people have this fear of
Speaker 2: nuclear electricity generation, but it's actually one of the safest
Speaker 2: forms of electricity generation. And then Trump was still like
Speaker 2: he finally like allowed himself to be talked down, but
Speaker 2: was still like, I don't know if Fukushima was really
Speaker 2: bad and you know, Three Mile Island, Like, I feel
Speaker 2: like he's not going to be somebody that you could
Speaker 2: actually bring over to the side of nuclear electricity. Well.
Speaker 3: He also people are starting to suspect that he thinks
Speaker 3: like asylum seekers are like people from an insane asylum. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and also that people who are looking for visas are
Speaker 3: looking for credit cards because of like the contextual clues
Speaker 3: of like what he has been saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could not be I mean even Trump.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I don't know, maybe maybe not,
Speaker 3: but it's just it doesn't seem I mean, he's not smart.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. So
Speaker 3: it's just really funny that we have given him such
Speaker 3: a benefit of the doubt that now we have to
Speaker 3: be like, wait a minute, this whole time, were you
Speaker 3: actually dumber than what we.
Speaker 5: Thought this all the time.
Speaker 2: I think the asylum seekers thing, and I haven't heard
Speaker 2: the visa thing. But I suspect, like so much of
Speaker 2: what he's doing is free association. I mean, he has
Speaker 2: like a recurring riff about fucking sharks because.
Speaker 3: He's in an improv warm up like it would be
Speaker 3: he would be zip zapsop in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So well, I suspect he's like also on speed
Speaker 2: and so his brain is just like banging between ideas.
Speaker 1: Well. That's another one of the theories, right that he
Speaker 1: that he he popped something right before because it was
Speaker 1: running late and he needed to pick me up with
Speaker 1: the energy. And I can't believe I'm this far down
Speaker 1: in this conspiracy rabbit hole. This is not how my
Speaker 1: brain normally operates.
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, oh, I don't feel like it's
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory that he is on.
Speaker 1: Like now I'm talking about the specific slurring, the source
Speaker 1: of the slurring. Last he had to pull extra pills
Speaker 1: because it was delayed by forty five minutes. Okay, what
Speaker 1: am I doing with my life?
Speaker 2: That I know your on air show American Vibe Cast
Speaker 2: And we're going to take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 2: be right back after this. And we're back. And it
Speaker 2: was recently reported that Apple is working on raining in
Speaker 2: some of their streaming spending, which I feel like makes
Speaker 2: sense considering that they've spent thirty billion dollars on original
Speaker 2: content but get fewer views in one month than Netflix
Speaker 2: gets in a day. And that's I didn't just say
Speaker 2: that as like like that. That's a quote from the
Speaker 2: get fewer views in one month then Netflix gets in
Speaker 2: a day.
Speaker 3: That is insane. They have so many good shows and
Speaker 3: they just refuse to tell us about it.
Speaker 2: They really do. They just don't promote.
Speaker 6: We all stumble on them even though we so those
Speaker 6: of us who have subscriptions, we also forget that they
Speaker 6: exist and that there's like good shows on there.
Speaker 2: There's a show called Hello Tomorrow Exclamation Points starring Billy
Speaker 2: Crudup as a salesman who lives on the moon, and
Speaker 2: it's like gotten solid reviews and like I had to
Speaker 2: google it just to make sure it wasn't like I.
Speaker 5: Never heard before ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it feels like they had the idea of
Speaker 2: investing content and like create some like a massive, broad
Speaker 2: powerful media company, but like didn't think of any of
Speaker 2: the steps after that.
Speaker 3: Like even Shrinking Shrinking was like known to people the
Speaker 3: TV show and like people enjoyed it. And I found
Speaker 3: out that season two is out because my friend.
Speaker 1: Is in it.
Speaker 2: And that's how I found out.
Speaker 3: I had no idea. I'm like, didn't you have a
Speaker 3: billboard up at some point? What's going on Apple TV?
Speaker 3: What are you inventing technology in the background and distract it?
Speaker 5: Is this like a front? What's happening?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know there's some good stuff on there,
Speaker 1: Like I really like that show in the midst of Chaos,
Speaker 1: you know that one with a never made that.
Speaker 5: That was a good one.
Speaker 1: That's the first second. But no, it is true, like
Speaker 1: people will be like my favorite show is this is
Speaker 1: I could never ever.
Speaker 2: Never talk to me about shows that are on Apple
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime, like even though I have Amazon Prime, Like
Speaker 2: I just it those shows go on there and just
Speaker 2: like don't exist as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1: So the theory of the case, I've always heard with
Speaker 1: Apple is they're spending a ton of money and they're
Speaker 1: going to get all this great content on there and
Speaker 1: then and everyone says, they're not marketing it. They're not
Speaker 1: marketing it, they're not marketing it, And there's an expectation
Speaker 1: or sort of implication that at any moment they could
Speaker 1: just like snap their fingers, slip a switch and market
Speaker 1: it and all of a sudden they would just dominate.
Speaker 1: And that second step it feels like those what's that
Speaker 1: meme of like step one s two to profit profit? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like, uh, why has there been this long
Speaker 1: running assumption that Apple can just like Marcide to have
Speaker 1: hits and turn all the and turn a profit and
Speaker 1: have this be success. And I feel like in the
Speaker 1: last six months a year it's been people have been
Speaker 1: calling bs a little bit on that idea that we've
Speaker 1: all had to know. Oh, it's Apple. They could just
Speaker 1: when they want to, they could just turn them into
Speaker 1: hits if they want to. They just don't want to.
Speaker 1: It's like, why would you not want it?
Speaker 2: Turns out, I guess the marketing part is hard.
Speaker 3: I guess it feels like Beyonce dropping an album, except
Speaker 3: they're not the Beyonce of television. Yet like they they
Speaker 3: have good content, but they don't have that reputation. So
Speaker 3: they assume that people will just word of mouth or
Speaker 3: figure it out and will be like their marketers. But
Speaker 3: that's not how it's going to work.
Speaker 2: Has anyone ever bought an iPhone because of an Apple
Speaker 2: TV production? Like that? That's the thing that I don't understand, Like,
Speaker 2: was that the theory of the case when they first
Speaker 2: decided to get into it, that there would be like
Speaker 2: this free platform that you could watch on Apple products?
Speaker 1: And oh, I don't know if they're pushing to have
Speaker 1: to be watched. They're not quit they're trying to just
Speaker 1: be stream It's just.
Speaker 2: Just their own separate streaming thing that they then have
Speaker 2: just totally neglected too.
Speaker 1: But I also think like and I've and I worked
Speaker 1: in a very small, weird corner of the Disney Corporation,
Speaker 1: so saw a little bit of this play out when
Speaker 1: I was at thirty for thirty at ESPN. But it's
Speaker 1: like there are some parts of these massive companies where
Speaker 1: it's like you're here to just like burnish our reputation
Speaker 1: and like if we win a couple Academy Awards, off
Speaker 1: of this and we win some awards and we get
Speaker 1: to say we worked with these with Billy Krutdup and
Speaker 1: Jennifer Anderson and whatever like that has its own value
Speaker 1: to companies like this, Like it's just like we get
Speaker 1: these famous people to come romans and we get to
Speaker 1: say we're doing this. So it's like, you can't just
Speaker 1: look at it as the money they're spending in the
Speaker 1: audience they're getting, but thirty billion dollars for fewer viewers
Speaker 1: in a month and Netflix that's in a day. I mean,
Speaker 1: it does feel like there's some hard questions getting asked
Speaker 1: about what exactly they're up to here, And I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, I'm curious what the two of you think about,
Speaker 1: Like why what does it take to get a platform?
Speaker 1: Like is Apple TV? Like in your rotation, like you
Speaker 1: sit down, you don't really know what you want. You
Speaker 1: have a sort of half formed thought in the back
Speaker 1: of your head. Is it on that list the places
Speaker 1: that you open and search for? And why is it not?
Speaker 1: And how does something work its way into that routine?
Speaker 5: My log in is so annoying.
Speaker 3: When I log into Apple Tea, it's not as smooth
Speaker 3: as Netflix or Hulu for some reason. I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but it's like it's more annoying to log into. That's
Speaker 3: one thing, it's a multi step thing. And then the
Speaker 3: other thing is it didn't start as quickly as Netflix
Speaker 3: and Hulu did. So those tend to be the two
Speaker 3: main ones that I open because those are top of
Speaker 3: mind streaming. When I think Apple, I think products before
Speaker 3: I think streaming. When I think Amazon, I think products
Speaker 3: before I think streaming. And so I think until they're
Speaker 3: willing to come to the forefront and market themselves. Maybe
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like a change of name
Speaker 3: or something else, but unless they're willing to kind of
Speaker 3: redefine what they're known for, they're not going to be
Speaker 3: the top of mind streamers.
Speaker 2: Like create us just a separate brand or something. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's not Apple. Yeah, and thank you now
Speaker 2: we get to my pitch. Yeah everything. Yeah, they're just
Speaker 2: so far from that. And when you look at the
Speaker 2: streaming like numbers, which nobody does, like that's always been
Speaker 2: interesting to me. We used to look at the ratings
Speaker 2: on TV like the you know, every week and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: this was the top show, this was the top that
Speaker 2: has all gone away, nobody looks at the streaming because
Speaker 2: it comes out a month later. But it's all like
Speaker 2: the top ten is all Netflix, and then there will
Speaker 2: occasionally if there is a Game of Throne, like a
Speaker 2: new season of Game of Thrones, like one episode will
Speaker 2: pop into the top ten and it will like go
Speaker 2: up to six and then immediately drop out. It's wild
Speaker 2: how dominant Netflix is. It just feels like they have
Speaker 2: kind of cornered, like Paul of You is saying, they've
Speaker 2: sort of cornered that part of people's brains. And then
Speaker 2: everything's gotten more expensive, so people can't really afford six
Speaker 2: different streaming services and so it's just a it's a
Speaker 2: mess for all these other streamers who are trying to
Speaker 2: break in.
Speaker 1: Poulla, I, I think I buy your argument, and I've
Speaker 1: kind of tended to It's just something I feel like
Speaker 1: I've learned and seen, and it's just like companies tend
Speaker 1: to just do one thing, you know, and like there's
Speaker 1: just yeah, I just think that like most places they
Speaker 1: have a DNA and it's like this is what we're
Speaker 1: about and everything else you can kind of tell that
Speaker 1: it's a side hustle or whatever. And I feel like
Speaker 1: there's something there's something to that with Apple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that book Good to Great that the study
Speaker 2: of like companies that go from like good to being
Speaker 2: like generationally like they just last and do well. And
Speaker 2: like some of those companies no longer are like doing
Speaker 2: as well as they were when that book came out,
Speaker 2: but like.
Speaker 1: The one party.
Speaker 2: Exactly, these companies actually sucked. But the one thing that
Speaker 2: they found was that, like the companies that had sustained
Speaker 2: like success had a very specific focus and like definition
Speaker 2: of their mission. They called it the hedgehog principle, very
Speaker 2: business speak, but it was like, you know, a fox
Speaker 2: is clever, and it like knows how to do all
Speaker 2: these different things. A hedgehog just knows how to like
Speaker 2: roll up into a ball and survive, and like it
Speaker 2: does that better than anyone else. And like that, they
Speaker 2: were like, if your company can just like figure out
Speaker 2: the one thing it does better than anyone else and
Speaker 2: just do that, and yeah, all the entire stream wars
Speaker 2: seemed to have been, to a large degree a illustration
Speaker 2: of that principle, because the companies that have consistently like
Speaker 2: poured the most money in and gotten the least results
Speaker 2: are Apple and Amazon, and they're like, yeah, well that's
Speaker 2: not what you guys do. You're just like trying to Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's also what they originally branded themselves as. It was
Speaker 3: almost like they were too good to do anything else,
Speaker 3: especially Apple. They prided themselves on their products. So for
Speaker 3: them to kind of diversify, it's just I think harder
Speaker 3: for the audience to buy it. After all the like
Speaker 3: all the work that Steve Jobs put in to be like,
Speaker 3: this is our main thing is phones. Our main thing
Speaker 3: is these computers, and then for them to be like,
Speaker 3: we're artists too, Now we understand culture in that way,
Speaker 3: I think it's harder for their market to buy into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rebranding, Yeah, I think that's right. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It feels like Netflix is just getting more and more
Speaker 2: ingrained in its position, as.
Speaker 1: Though like a year ago there was a lot of
Speaker 1: talk about Netflix being on shakier ground or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then maybe it's like two years ago and then they
Speaker 1: just kind of snap.
Speaker 3: Well, if they're doing so good, let us share passwords again.
Speaker 3: Damn it.
Speaker 1: Well, part of doing good is that that, Yeah, get
Speaker 1: that experiment worked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a rousing success in them.
Speaker 3: So fucking mad about how there are commercials in everything now,
Speaker 3: Like we we're just used to commercials in Netflix now,
Speaker 3: that's insane.
Speaker 1: We're we're used to commercials for the entirety of your
Speaker 1: life until like five years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't want to go back. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: paying for these streaming services. We have the technology of this, and.
Speaker 2: They get to pretend like they're innovating by reinventing commercials.
Speaker 3: It's literally like watching Elon play with Twitter, destroy it
Speaker 3: and then bring it back again.
Speaker 1: Well as all of us, all of us in some
Speaker 1: part or another our careers to commercial to advertising funded media.
Speaker 1: So you know this part of me that's like, I'll
Speaker 1: take the commercials. Yeah, very nice to have some of those.
Speaker 5: That's their problem.
Speaker 2: I do get mad when I'm trying to watch a
Speaker 2: video and an at comes up, like in a way
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense and it is completely irrational.
Speaker 3: Particularly movies, particularly movies on Netflix, because the whole reason
Speaker 3: that Netflix is such an advantage is that you get
Speaker 3: to you know, going to the movie theater is an experience,
Speaker 3: it's a very communal thing. Netflix is consuming the media
Speaker 3: uninterrupted and in a more efficient way. And then when
Speaker 3: you have commercials in the midst of movies. I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is I just want to go to the theater
Speaker 3: now again. I don't want to watch this here anymore.
Speaker 3: It's interrupting the whole thing.
Speaker 2: You're not going to like my pitch to AMC about
Speaker 2: damn it. So this is the most captive audience.
Speaker 1: You bring the lights up to the audience.
Speaker 2: Jarital a guy just comes out and pitches Jared tal
Speaker 2: to you. We're just gonna keep going back and back
Speaker 2: and back until it's like, you know, this movie brought
Speaker 2: to you by coughing powder or what.
Speaker 5: Like cocaine and you're so na.
Speaker 2: That's right. Well, Jody, what a pleasure having you as
Speaker 2: always on the Daily Zeigeist. Where can people find you?
Speaker 2: Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned my political history show, and I'm produced
Speaker 1: Trevor Noah's podcast What Now, so people should go listen
Speaker 1: to that, and then I'm also but the big news
Speaker 1: is with my political history podcast, we're doing our first
Speaker 1: ever live show, So for listeners in Boston or anyone
Speaker 1: who knows someone in Boston on September thirteenth, we are
Speaker 1: doing a live show at w b u R has
Speaker 1: this really cool event space there, So I would love
Speaker 1: to have people come out to that. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really fun, and we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: a little bit about the history of October surprises, kind
Speaker 1: of last minute things that happened in that up end
Speaker 1: elect And so Friday, September thirteenth, if you're in Boston,
Speaker 1: I know someone in Boston, encourage them to come out.
Speaker 2: What's the biggest October surprise?
Speaker 1: And I mean the big one that's always tried it
Speaker 1: out is the is the is the hostages and you know,
Speaker 1: Reagan arranging for the hostages to not be released until
Speaker 1: after the election, you know, and that's a big one.
Speaker 1: But you know there's stuff like, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: what we'll get into on September thirteenth, Friday, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like does the Access Hollywood tape kind of count?
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a last minute thing, the sort
Speaker 1: of up ended things that really did have an effect.
Speaker 1: But some of some of it is like shenanigans, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of like withholding information or revealing information at
Speaker 1: the last minute, and there's long history of that. And
Speaker 1: then some of it is just like news that breaks
Speaker 1: at the last minute and destabilizes things right right cool?
Speaker 2: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying, Jodie.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not gonna talk about Raygun, so I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about right now.
Speaker 2: We missed No no, no.
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I'm playing a how deep
Speaker 1: does this rabbit hole go role on this show that
Speaker 1: I normally don't but I gotta say, the Raygun thing
Speaker 1: keeps keeps giving to me. And like at first I
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, you know, she had an off day.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. And then I'm like, now
Speaker 1: I'm like weeding these Reddit threads about how she was
Speaker 1: the one who who and you know what was the
Speaker 1: head of the organization that picked the thing and her
Speaker 1: she put her husband in this, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: a I don't know, how deep does the ray Gun thing?
Speaker 2: I don't know. This one goes all the way to
Speaker 2: the top of Australia's break dancing community.
Speaker 1: But it is. It is remarkable how there were so
Speaker 1: many other memes and like characters in the Olympics and
Speaker 1: then she just came storming at the last and completely
Speaker 1: took over. It is. It is amazing.
Speaker 2: It is Paul of where can people find you as
Speaker 2: their working media.
Speaker 3: You've been enjoying I'm at Vegan Alan p A L
Speaker 3: L A v I G and A L A n
Speaker 3: I a show at the Comedy Store Facial Recognition Comedy.
Speaker 3: Next one is August twentieth one. After that, it's September
Speaker 3: twentieth in the belly Room. It's going to be super fun.
Speaker 3: I can't find the person who tweeted it, unfortunately.
Speaker 5: I think it.
Speaker 3: Refreshed and I lost it, but it was it was
Speaker 3: The quote was when I sing both parts of that
Speaker 3: evanescent song and it was Jdvans and as regular clothes
Speaker 3: and then Jadvanson drag.
Speaker 5: I really enjoyed that one.
Speaker 2: Amazing. You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore
Speaker 2: O'Brien tweet I've been enjoying. Jamaine Clement from Flay Concords
Speaker 2: tweeted I've been to Australia. That was their best dancer.
Speaker 5: Very very key. We coded that's right.
Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeicheist. We're
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Speaker 2: we post our episodes and our footnote where we link
Speaker 2: off to the information that we talked about in today's
Speaker 2: episode as well as a song that we think you
Speaker 2: might enjoy. Super producer Justin Connor, is there a song
Speaker 2: that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 7: Yeah, this song will put you in the mindset of
Speaker 7: a spy on the run in like a seventies pulp
Speaker 7: noir movie. It's an instrumental but it has a whole
Speaker 7: narrative arc. There's tension and suspense and relief all expressed
Speaker 7: through composition and musical skill. It's a song called The
Speaker 7: Trader and it's performed by this collective of artists who
Speaker 7: are from groups like the Dap Kings, the Roots, the
Speaker 7: Black Keys, and they're called the Menihan Street Band. And
Speaker 7: that song again is called the Trader, and you can
Speaker 7: find that in the footnotes.
Speaker 1: Footnotes Trader t R A I t O R A.
Speaker 2: I t O R Yes. Yes, would be my tour
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Speaker 2: That is going to do it for us. This morning.
Speaker 2: We are back this afternoon to tell you what is trending,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you all then.
Speaker 1: Bye bye bye