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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's a podcast. It's about stuff done by people. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest this week is

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Speaker 1: my friend Miriam Rocheck. How are you today, Miriam? Doing good?

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Speaker 1: How are you? I I didn't think anyone cared. I

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Speaker 1: always care. Okay, I'm doing good. Um okay. So my

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Speaker 1: my favorite way to describe Miriam is that Miriam is

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Speaker 1: a lesbian tall ship sailor who, once with the rest

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Speaker 1: of her crew, realized they weren't getting paid on their

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Speaker 1: tall ship, so they stole the ship from their bosses

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Speaker 1: and they sailed it off to continue to run tours

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Speaker 1: and kept all the money for themselves. I get that right. Um,

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Speaker 1: more or less there's yeah, I would say more or

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Speaker 1: less allegedly Okay, allegedly did all of these things? Obviously. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Statute of limitations ago in a fiction podcast, got it?

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Speaker 1: Check the statue of limitations on either work or takeover

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Speaker 1: of the means of production or piracy, whichever one you

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Speaker 1: feel like that is, well, speaking of work or takeover

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Speaker 1: the means of production and or piracy, we usually do

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Speaker 1: yeah okay, And then we also have on the call

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Speaker 1: our producer Sophie, how are you doing today, Sophie, I

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Speaker 1: am good. Allegedly Okay, we're all allegedly here. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: today we're gonna talk about a different lesbian who stole

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Speaker 1: a boat from their bosses. Only instead of a boat,

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Speaker 1: it was the entire city of Paris, and instead of

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Speaker 1: just one lesbian, it was one of modern histories first

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Speaker 1: and alongside the entire working class of Paris. That's right,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Louise Michelle and the Paris motherfucking Commune

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Speaker 1: of Miriam. Have you ever heard of the Paris Commune?

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Speaker 1: I have heard of it. Yes, What what have you

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Speaker 1: heard about the Paris Commune? Um? Okay, So I think

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Speaker 1: the things that I know about the Paris Commune are

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Speaker 1: Louise Michelle was involved. Um. I know, I know sort

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Speaker 1: of about her existence. I know that it ended badly.

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Speaker 1: What I know like a story about radical politics where

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Speaker 1: things end badly? Who could have foreseen? Um? I know

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Speaker 1: anarchists where black is in mourning for the Paris Commune.

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Speaker 1: to believe it anyway, because we're at hell. Oh and

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Speaker 1: I think I heard at some point that people after

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Speaker 1: the Paris commune um, after whatever happened to it, happened

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Speaker 1: to it, people were convicted of of having done things

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Speaker 1: during it because they took pictures of themselves doing things

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Speaker 1: during it, which may be the first time that that happened,

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Speaker 1: but a thing that I like to think about, um,

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Speaker 1: doing crimes. That's it. That's all my Paris Commune knowledge.

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Speaker 1: I assume it took place in Paris. It did, yes,

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Speaker 1: also in a commune um that was Paris. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: want to find more about these pictures of people doing crime.

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Speaker 1: Although there will be photographers in this story. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's possible that a radical lawyer just made that up

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Speaker 1: Paris Commune is to mythologize the Paris Commune and then

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Speaker 1: apply whatever you think to the Paris Commune. Uh. But

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Speaker 1: a council and they seceded from France. And for almost

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Speaker 1: free than others. Overall is pretty freaking cool. And then

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Speaker 1: every time on the show, like pretty cool people who

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Speaker 1: So it's the play lame Is. Where everyone calls it

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Speaker 1: But anyway, lame Is is a novel written by a

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Speaker 1: when people quite understandably decided, hey, what if we didn't

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Speaker 1: out these songs that I like. It goes pretty hard, yes,

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Speaker 1: more successful revolution of eighteen forty eight, when France got

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Speaker 1: aware of an Abba song called Sedan. I'm not aware

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Speaker 1: know that much abba ya. See. The problem is that

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Speaker 1: all right, you did all right Napoleon. But uh, he

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Speaker 1: Are we talking about pigeons? There are pigeons involved, but

427
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about fucking hot air balloons. Um amazing. I

428
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, they're okay, They're probably been airmail with

429
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: pigeons before this and everything whenever you're in histories like

430
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: this is the first time that's ever happened, and I'm like,

431
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 1: it's maybe the first time a white person did and

432
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: someone wrote it down, but that they had hot air

433
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: balloons and they had one of the greatest wing nuts

434
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: in history. Felix Nadair. Felix Nadair, Okay, you don't do

435
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: you know his name? No, but you've seen his work.

436
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: He is a portrait photographer, and he took all the

437
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: portraits of people that you've heard of in the nineteenth

438
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: century except Marx. Actually I couldn't find a Mark's portrait.

439
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: But he took portraits of like all the different artists.

440
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: He took pictures of all the different like like the

441
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: different anarchists and revolutionists. He's the guy who takes like

442
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: the pictures you've seen of these various people. And he

443
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: he was more of a social light than a socialist.

444
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: Clever thing and my thing. Thanks for laughing, okay, and

445
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: it's a good one. Yeah, thanks. But he was like

446
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: he liked hanging out with the cool like ne'er Dowells

447
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: in the Bohemians. The way I would explain if Felix's

448
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: work is like the friend that knows how to get

449
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: the good photos of your of like influencers when they're out,

450
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: like the friend that knows the right angles, and all

451
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: the shots are super glamorous for the time. I mean

452
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: there's like there's like like off the shoulder poses and

453
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: like even like the the manly men with the mustaches

454
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: look kind of glamorous and like have like a good

455
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: pose going very interesting aesthetic. I would say, yeah, And

456
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: there's lots of um. One of people's favorite things to

457
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: argue about is like, who's gay in history? And every

458
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: probably Yeah, at least there's like the pictures he's taken

459
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: where it's like the man is very central and has

460
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: his hand down his pants. Yeah, a lot. And then

461
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: there's like guys that have hands on on their nipples

462
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: and it's just it's a vibe. Yeah. Was the hands

463
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: down your pants pose like a popular nineteenth century look

464
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: or or was that just his aesthetic? I think I'll

465
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: find it for you. I'll find it for you, Miriam.

466
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: If you start calling nineteenth century people gay, they're gonna

467
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: be like people who pop up who are like, actually,

468
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: it was extremely heterosexual for men to gaze at each

469
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: other with their hands down their pants back then, you

470
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: don't even know, and that's it was also very heterosexual

471
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: for men to tell each other I love you so

472
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: much and I want to sleep with you all the time.

473
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: You know, like this is what they do. This is

474
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: this is how they respond to you rightly calling people

475
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: in history gay. So you know, I just wanted to

476
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: preempt that question about the hands down the pants pose.

477
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: This is this is his self portrait with his hand

478
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: down his own pants. I mean, not as gay as

479
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: if it were down somebody else's pants. Fair enough. Well,

480
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: the people really get mad when people call people gay.

481
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: In history are going to love the second half of this,

482
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: uh this podcast, But okay, So he he invents aerial photography,

483
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: and I'm waiting for this photo to load, and then

484
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get totally distracted. He invents aerial photography, and

485
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: he took like the first underground photographs with artificial light,

486
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: and he he runs his portrait studio and he's wildly popular,

487
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: but he fucking hates it. He hates like taking portraits

488
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: of people all day. He finds it so boring, and

489
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: so instead he just really wants to like funk off

490
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: and do weird adventures like fly around in hot air

491
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: balloons and invent artificial lights and ship and I have

492
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: a lot of Oh, and the whole reason his business

493
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: didn't entirely fall apart is because his wife, Ernestine, who

494
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: goes entirely on the thank throughout history, like, kept his

495
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: whole business running and otherwise he would have been completely

496
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: broke a thousand times over. But I have like a

497
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: certain amount of sympathy because I think Miriam knows this

498
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: but for a while I made my living take tin

499
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: types of people. Uh, just taking tin type portraits, and

500
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: it was so boring. It started off cool because you're like,

501
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I'm taking photos but with ether, and then even the

502
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: fact that you get high on ether while you're developing,

503
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't make up for the fact that you're just

504
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: taking the same photo over and over again. I don't know.

505
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: They did look cool though. Um also, Sophie has now

506
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: sent me the sent us the picture of this guy,

507
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: and um, you didn't mention this bow tie was bow

508
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: ties the size of a small child. Yeah, I mean

509
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: I thought the hand down the pants was more important

510
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: to point out. But I see your point and you

511
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: were correct. Okay, So at one point, this totally heterosexual

512
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: man Felix in the air bill the world's largest hot

513
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: air balloon named the Giant or like in French, like

514
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't know eld giants or whatever. And I'm actually

515
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: studied more for punch than most of the languages, but

516
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna anyway. And so he and he launches

517
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: it from the park where the Eiffel Tower is going

518
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: to go, and like two thousand people come and watch

519
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: it take off. He's just this adventurer dude and so this,

520
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: but he's like this wacky one. So the second time

521
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: he takes off in an LD Giant, he just crashes

522
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: and almost dies and uh. And then he also hosted

523
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: the first ever exhibition of the Impressionists in eighteen seventy four,

524
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: after all the fuss that we're gonna be talking about today.

525
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: But during the Siege of Paris he organized the air mail.

526
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: There were sixties six hot air balloon flights out during

527
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: the siege. They carried like literally millions of letters, and

528
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: so they also brought pigeons with them so that the

529
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: pigeons could then go home with return mail. And it

530
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: had a really high success rate, and only only nine

531
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: of the sixty six flights got like either lost at

532
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: sea or shot down or I mean, I wouldn't want

533
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: to fly one of these things. These were these were

534
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: not I guess I was picturing like attaching letters and

535
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: pigeons to an unmanned balloon and sending it up. There

536
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: were people on these, I believe, I believe. So I

537
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: I've looked at a bunch of different things, and that

538
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: is my best conjecture I can come up with. And

539
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: one of the people who at least volunteered for this service.

540
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: I do not know. I cannot confirm that he did.

541
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: It was a four year old National guardsman who is

542
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: an anarchist named at least a Reclu, who's one of

543
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: my favorite characters in this whole story. And he goes

544
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: on already my favorite. He volunteered for an experimental wartime

545
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: hot air balloon flight, I know, and he goes on

546
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: to become one of the foremost geographers of his era.

547
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: He's like the most important nineteenth century geographer from France

548
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he's going to come up a whole

549
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: bunch more because he's cool. And they also use this

550
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: I know at least one person flew in one of

551
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: these hot air balloons. The Minister of War got the

552
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: funk out of Paris so that he could like keep

553
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: trying to run the war from outside a pair us

554
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: because otherwise there's no communication getting in and out until

555
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: our our wing nut guy sets it up for for

556
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: hot air balloons. And there's not really an agreement about

557
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: how to handle the war because the government wants to

558
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: give up, the people want to hold out, and so

559
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of like sorties where they run out

560
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: and try and break the siege and they have no

561
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: success with this, and then there's a kind of these

562
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that may or may not be true that

563
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: basically all of the sorties were planned to fail. It

564
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, if we send people out and they

565
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: all get their asses kicked, then people will be ready

566
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: to give up. And also during all of this, armed

567
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: socialists run up on the government like twice or three times,

568
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly, and they're trying and take it over,

569
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: but they don't succeed yet. And by January, the Third

570
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: Republic surrenders, they lose territory. They agreed to disarm most

571
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: of their army, and they agree to pay off some

572
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: like huge funk off fine. Like there's this story about

573
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: like when Bismarck is like, I want you to give

574
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: me this much money. They're like that it's too much money.

575
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: There's no way we can give it to you. And

576
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: Bismarck is like, okay, well then my soldiers will go

577
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: and find that money. And France was like we'll come

578
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: up with the money, okay. Fuck yeah. So thus ends

579
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: the Siege of Paris, And now I want to talk

580
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: about Louise Michelle because I kind of always want to

581
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: talk about Louise Michelle. Okay, so I started all this

582
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: off with Victor Hugo, and he's going to weave his

583
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: way in and out a bit when he's not busy

584
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: eating sue animals. But I brought him up because today's here.

585
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: Louise Michelle kind of kicked off the whole Paris Commune thing.

586
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. And she was friends with him,

587
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: like when she was very she's like a teenager. She

588
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: would write him letters and became kind of a sort

589
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: of a mentee and a correspondent of Victor Hugo. Because

590
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: above it all, like, in addition to all the other

591
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: stuff that Louise Michelle wants to do, she's into being

592
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: a literary person. And if I were a proper historian,

593
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: it would be completely ludicrous for me to adjust that.

594
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: By therefore, Victor Hugo, who once saw a man arrested

595
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: for stealing bread and then wrote a book longer than

596
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: The Lord of the Rings about it, basically inspired the

597
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: Paris Commune. There'll be a wild leap for historian to make.

598
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: And I am not a historian. I'm a fiction writer. Uh.

599
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: I like the wild stories and strange connections that we've

600
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: throughout history. So I'm gonna go with it, even though

601
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: it's probably wrong or an exaggeration. A man stole bread,

602
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo saw him, wrote a book. Louise Michelle correspondent

603
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: with Victor Hugo, and kicked off the Paris Commune, and

604
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: therefore the first time in Western history at least that

605
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: the working class seized the city too, took over their

606
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: own lives. So limisop is about the Paris Commune, or

607
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: if the Paris Commune is about Limiserrop the second one, yeah,

608
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: the second one, yeah, And again probably not actually true,

609
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: but inspirationally true. And she's she's forty when when our

610
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: story starts, and I'm going to call her middle age

611
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: throughout because I don't know forty counts is middle age.

612
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: But since I'm a thirty nine year old woman, I'm

613
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: going to like own it. I mean, I would just

614
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: call her a grown up, like for a revolutionary, that's

615
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: an adult. Like they're always, you know, you're always looking

616
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: back at history. And it's like when he was twenty two,

617
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: he was in charge of the entire like whatever. It

618
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: makes you feel really inadequate, well, that's not even in

619
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: charge of my own life when I was twenty two.

620
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: Then you're going to love the Paris Commune. Almost everyone

621
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: that I'm going to talk about today is in their

622
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: forties and fifties and they're running around with a revolution

623
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: that is over by ten pm because people are tired. Exactly.

624
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: It is actually a very calm and stately revolution. But

625
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: we'll get to that love this already. Yeah. So Louise

626
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: Michelle was born of unwed parents. Basically, her her dad

627
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: was like a son of the house and then knocked

628
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: up the maid. But the the grandparents basically they were like, okay,

629
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: well take care of this kid. Anyway. She got a

630
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: liberal education and her whole thing was that she was

631
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: a radical school teacher. That was like, her entire thing

632
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: was that she's like, I'm separating out religion and patriarchy

633
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: out of the educational system in France, and by France,

634
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean everywhere she went, because she didn't actually have

635
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: enough sad to do it on the entire level of France.

636
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: Um And in the eighteen sixties her and a bunch

637
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: of other people started France's first feminist organization, which was

638
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: made of socialists and republicans and anarchists, which is a

639
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: mixture we're gonna see repeat itself soon. And since they

640
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: couldn't decide on like a single coherent political line, they

641
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: just decided to focus on the educational women, which is cool,

642
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: and it's good to get to occasionally focus on what

643
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: you have in common as a goal instead of just

644
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: fighting with each other about everything else. I think that's

645
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: sometimes true. So during Siegeaparish, she's all over the place

646
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: of the mutual aid societies. She's opening cooperative restaurants, which

647
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: I've heard referred to as soup kitchens, I've heard referred

648
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: to as workers cooperatives. I've heard referred to as like

649
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: working class restaurants. You know, I couldn't tell you the

650
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: entire economic model of how they functioned, but I think

651
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: that they were uh, mutual aid organizations that were workers

652
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: feeding workers. She ran schools and did childcare. She also

653
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: like worked tending to the wounded, and did all kinds

654
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: of ship And we're at January one. Sieges lifted the

655
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: Prussian army marches around those big open avenues and it's

656
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: just like parading around being like yeas a're sitting now,

657
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: and there's no resistance really, and everyone's like holding their breath,

658
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: being like, oh God, someone's gonna set all of this

659
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: crazy ship off and we're all gonna get slaughtered. Someone's

660
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: gonna like for a rock or something. And that doesn't

661
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: happen this time. The Republic finally gets together and they

662
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: hold elections and they decided to elect monarchists because most

663
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: of the electorate in France is rural conservative Catholics, and

664
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: they get this guy. He's not They don't actually make

665
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: him the president because it's like a it's a government

666
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: in transition or something. They put this guy named tier

667
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: at alf Tier in charge, and basically he looks at

668
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: Paris and he's like, oh, funck no, this is entirely

669
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: full of socialists and republicans and anarchists. And he moves

670
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: the capital to Versailles. It's always good things happen when

671
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: the government has moved to Versailles in French history. That's

672
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: one thing I know about history is what you've got

673
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: in Paris is a ton of like a funk ton

674
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: of working class people who all bought their own cannons

675
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: with their own money, who are pissed the government surrendered,

676
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: who are pissed that the government is now majority monarchist

677
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: and who are now used to meeting their needs through

678
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: various mutual aid societies. Uh. And suddenly everyone's rent is

679
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: due and the state runs around and confiscates everyone's stuff

680
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: and puts into a government run pawn shop to pay

681
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: back the people like the landlords and ship. The fact

682
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: of the government like having an organized like warehouse where

683
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: they would put everybody's stuff. Yeah, to pay back the landlords.

684
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: Um sucks. But also yeah, I can't imagine it combines

685
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: particularly well with the poor having cannons. Oh yeah that

686
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: did I mention that the poor head cannons. Wait, the

687
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: poor head cannons, the poor head canons, and the government

688
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: they were like, oh fuck, the poor have cannons. So

689
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: they decide on the night of March eighteenth, eighteen seventy one,

690
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: the government goes off to the army goes off to

691
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: confiscate the cannons, which are held in the different National

692
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: Guards sections of the different the neighborhoods of Paris. But

693
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: the thing is that the cannons aren't the governments. This

694
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: wasn't a like loan from the government that the people

695
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: bought these cannons. So one of the places they go

696
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: to get the cannons, whoever is in charge of, like

697
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: from the government, whoever whatever army guy was in charge

698
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: of bringing like horses and harnesses to haul away all

699
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: the artillery. Either forgot the horses or the harnesses, depending

700
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: on who you ask. Either way, they show up, they

701
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: nabbed the cannons, and then they're like left dicking around

702
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: in the wee hours of the night waiting for someone,

703
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: like waiting for all the ship they need to steal

704
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: the ship from the poor people. When who comes upon

705
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: the scene. But the hero of our story, can you guess, Miriam,

706
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: is it Louise Michelle? It is Louise fucking Michelle shows up.

707
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: She's not alone. She might have been the leader. History

708
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: fucking loves picking leaders, like everything is like and then

709
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: they were all led by and I'm like, I don't know.

710
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: It kind of seems like this was an angry mob.

711
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: But Louise Michelle is there. And there's like ten versions

712
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: of this story, but basically, Louise Michelle rolls in on

713
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: like on the net with the National Guard and is

714
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: in a National Guards uniform which is not really allowed

715
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: to be and I believe she sees the cannons being

716
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: stolen and they're like, everyone's like, now you don't get

717
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: to steal our cannons. And they say the army guys like, hey,

718
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't we like be on the same side here, And

719
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: so the general guy it's like, fun this shoot all

720
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: these people and the army is like, we'd prefer not to. Yeah.

721
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: So depending on the story, but Louise Michelle's version of

722
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: stories that the sun rises and then you know, as

723
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: dawn breaks, the like army refuses to shoot. And then

724
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: another story I heard which kind of sounds like a

725
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: story making fun of French people, but is that they

726
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: all sit down have wine and cheese and bread the

727
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: two sides. Um, that does sound like a British person

728
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: who hates French people made that story. Yeah, And I

729
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: have no idea if it's true, but they do have

730
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: really I can't speak to the cheese, but the wine

731
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: and bread are very good, so maybe. Um. And it's

732
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: more likely that it was like a long tent standoff

733
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: for more and more of the army slowly to acted.

734
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: But either way, um, they they defect the people nab

735
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: The general kept trying to get the guys to shoot them,

736
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: and they also grab another general. Later that day, he

737
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: was like skulking around in plain clothes. He claims he

738
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: was like trying to figure out what was going on,

739
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: but like, I think he was trying to run off

740
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: and they fucking execute them, and the Paris Commune starts

741
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: over gun confiscation. Interesting, Yeah, which makes me argue, you know,

742
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: there's that that Texas flague worths come and take it,

743
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: and it's a cannon. I would argue that, um, the

744
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: left has a strong of a claim to come and

745
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: take it with cannons. I'm also a little stuck on

746
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: the whole like plain clothes general idea. Yeah, Like I'm

747
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: just I'm picturing, you know, how undercover cops look, you know,

748
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: and I'm just picturing like that. But a general roll,

749
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: so I guess like he's still saluting everybody or still

750
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: waiting for Yeah, he's still wearing like the shiniest boots

751
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: you've ever seen, and right, but he has a rage

752
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: against the machine shirt on. He's wearing a hoodie. But

753
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: he's marching. Yeah, totally. He can't help but march uh,

754
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: just like you all should march off by the products

755
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: that support the show as long as they're potatoes. If

756
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: it's anything but potatoes, you should think to yourself whether

757
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: or not you want it. But if it is potatoes,

758
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: then you shouldn't think. Just by and we're back and

759
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: where we last left our our heroes. They had just

760
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: killed two generals and taken over the city of Paris.

761
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: The first group that comes to power in the in

762
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: the commune was called the Central Committee of the National Guard,

763
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: which sounds really fucking ominous, right, but they were actually

764
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: the most like uncoup coup that you could possibly imagine.

765
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: They immediately their first task was how do we abolish ourselves?

766
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 1: And that should always be everybody's first task. You'd think

767
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: that any organization should be asking how do we make

768
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: ourselves irrelevant? And they, I mean, unless it's a cool one,

769
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, well blanket statements. If you if you

770
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: seize power, I feel like once you've seize power, your

771
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: next step is to make yourself obsolute. And they actually

772
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: they do. They set out to abolish themselves, and they

773
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: do well. They don't abolish themselves, but they divest themselves

774
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: of power like pretty much right off, and maybe even

775
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: like the first thing they did is they were like, okay,

776
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: do we focus on one having elections or two do

777
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: we immediately take the fight to the enemy while they're

778
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: caught off guard and we have a ton of people

779
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: an attack Versall and overthrow France. And they picked elections

780
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: like like, God bless them, but it's possible the whole

781
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: world to be very different if they had decided otherwise. Um,

782
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: So they had elections and they picked a council. Did

783
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: say that these were grown ups running this revolution. That's

784
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: a good point. Actually, I see the twenty year olds

785
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: would have attacked Versai. Yeah, maybe that's why we let

786
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: twenty year olds run revolutions all the time. Yeah. I

787
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: think it's mostly because they don't realize their mortal yet

788
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: or that they need sleep. Yeah, totally. Okay. There's three

789
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: fun things of note about their elections. First, they're internationalists.

790
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: They let foreigners vote like anyone, Like, uh, you're foreign

791
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: guy living in France, you're living in Paris, you get

792
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: to vote. Why should someone's place a birth determine whether

793
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: or not they have a say in decisions that affect them,

794
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: So you're like, okay, fantastic, Okay. Second, they did not

795
00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: give women the right to vote. Uh, don't even know

796
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: if it occurred to them that they like could give

797
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: the women the right to vote? Um, like, would women know?

798
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: How would would women? Are women physically capable of voting?

799
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Who's to say? I'm not sure. They all said, uh,

800
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: do we know any women? I don't even know any women. Um,

801
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: so we we'll let these four I mean, like, I

802
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: am very pro them letting foreign people vote. Don't get

803
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: me wrong, totally okay. And then third, the rich basically

804
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: like refused to participate in the elections more or less

805
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: because Versailles was like, these elections are bad, don't vote

806
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: in them, and the rich will, I go okay, And

807
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: some some of the rich did vote, and some of

808
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: their candidates got in. And then but the candidates who

809
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: got in who are rich, just fucked off immediately. And

810
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: so basically even more rich people funck off from from Paris.

811
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: So who is that? Leave? Who made up the Paris Commune? Well,

812
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked Miriam. I'm glad you asked me

813
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: who made up the Paris Commune? I'm waiting I was

814
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: waiting for you to ask. I thought I already had

815
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: asked it made up the Paris Commune Margaret Well. Broadly

816
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: three different categories of people. There's three different political parties

817
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: sort of that that get in. First, there's the neo Jackbins,

818
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: who are basically trying to relive the Revolution of seventee

819
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: all over again, and they sometimes get called Every history

820
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: book is going to call all of these factions different things,

821
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: except the Blanchiest. They just get called blanchiest. But then

822
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: the Jacobins, they're the independent Revolutionaries. They're the largest chunk

823
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: on the council at least, and they're kind of they're

824
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: kind of the liberals if I have to map them

825
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: to anybody, And they get their name from the Jacobins

826
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: from the Old Revolution, who in turn got their name

827
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: because they met at a place called Saint Jacques and

828
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: they didn't really care about social change. They just want

829
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: political change. The social stuck can come later, I guess.

830
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: So they're the Republicans basically. And then you've got the Prodnists.

831
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: These are the sort of anarchists, the proto anarchists, and

832
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: they're the second largest chunk of people in the broadest sense,

833
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: the perdonists. They're excited about workers cooperatives, credit unions run

834
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: by the people, and market socialism in general, uh, and

835
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: not government. They don't really like government. They want to

836
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 1: keep money, but they want to get rid of wage

837
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: labor where someone can profit off of your work. So basically,

838
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: if if you're not hiring someone to do your work

839
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: for you, it's chill. And they're also kind of ironically,

840
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: especially to how anarchists are generally positioned themselves, now, they're

841
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: the least radical of all of these in terms of

842
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: how they want this social change to happen or this

843
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: political change to happen. They're actually they're by and large

844
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: their gradualists, and pretty much they're like, oh, well, well

845
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: make worker cooperatives and slowly take over the economy. And

846
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: I guess we accidentally took over the entire capital of

847
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: France too. And these people are named after a guy

848
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: named Pruden, who's not my favorite person in history. He's

849
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: not a cool guy who did cool stuff. He's a

850
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: piece of ship, misogynist, anti semite, homophobe who managed to

851
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: be the first person in history in the Western tradition

852
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: at least to call himself an anarchist back in eighteen forty.

853
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: And we'll all have been embarrassed since. Um. Though actually

854
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who came after, including these protonists,

855
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: or at least some of them, fucking hated him for

856
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: his misogyny as anti semitism. Another early anarchist. Yeah, like

857
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: people were calling him out at the time. Louise Michelle

858
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: called him out. This guy Joseph de Jacques said, basically,

859
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: speak out about man's exploitation of women, or do not

860
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: call yourself an anarchist. And so the more I read

861
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: about him, the more I kind of want to call

862
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: him a proto anarchist more than an anarchist. I'm with

863
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 1: the Jacques on it. If you don't speak out about

864
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, it's like you can't be like,

865
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm a product of the time. You're fucking buds knew

866
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: what was up right, And it's you know, if you're

867
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: if you're in favor of getting rid of most forms

868
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: of oppression but not a particular one that you benefit from,

869
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: you're not an anarchist, you know. If you're a anarcho capitalist,

870
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: you're not an anarchist. Yeah. And I don't think we're

871
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: like one true scotsman in this. I think that it's like, no,

872
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: you're like, well, do you do you have this criticism

873
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: of hierarchy or fucking not and speaking of historical figures

874
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: who may have been gay. Though. UM, I spent way

875
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: too long this week reading about how much of his

876
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: misogyny and homophobia. I I hate that everyone's like every

877
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: every homophobia is a closet case, but like our dude

878
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: was probably a closet case. Um, internalized homophobia is gonna

879
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: fuck a person up. Yeah, I just you know, you

880
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: don't have to take it out on everybody else, just

881
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: develop some weird fetishes or whatever. I know. Uh, but

882
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: Prudon did the world a favor and died in eighteen

883
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: sixty five, so he's actually not part of our main story.

884
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: And I don't know whether I don't know whether the

885
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: people on the council who I'm calling Prudona specifically would

886
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: have called themselves this or mutualists or anarchists or whatever.

887
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: But history calls them prudonas mostly to distinguish them from

888
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: the larger history of anarchism that is growing up around

889
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: this time, because no one is really accusing anarchism in

890
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: general of being gradualist. Um. Other history books will call

891
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: them internationalists also, because they're all part of the international

892
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: and all this other ship. Okay, then you've got the

893
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: third group, or the smallest in number but have kind

894
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: of an outsize impact. And they're the Blanchists. And they're

895
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: named after a guy named Blanchie who was in prison

896
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: at the time because basically all his all he likes

897
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: doing is trying to start a revolution. That's like his

898
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: entire politics is like, there should be a revolution um.

899
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: And they're authoritarian socialists. They're not Marxists. They actually are

900
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: almost more like proto lenin Ists without the marks. And

901
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: they believe that a secret society of socialists should force

902
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: a revolution and then impose socialism from the top down.

903
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: They're vanguardists. Yeah, like that's their whole thing, is the

904
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: revolutionary vanguard. Uh, the kind of almost I already don't

905
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: like them, I know, but Louise Michelle at this point

906
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: is a blankyist. Alright, I'm prepared to I'm prepared to

907
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: like them. You don't actually have to like what. You

908
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: don't have to like them. Uh, there's a reason that

909
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: she became an anarchist later. Okay, so you three wanna

910
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: I want to hear I want to hear what they did.

911
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: I'm I'm usually not well disposed towards vanguardists. But let's

912
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: let's see how this auth in general. It's like not

913
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: my Thingum, everyone is there, king, but I gotta like

914
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: somebody in this story. The guy who volunteered to go

915
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: on the hot air balloon hasn't shown up for a while,

916
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: so be here. So you've got the historical reenactment liberal Republicans,

917
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: you've got the gradualist proto anarchists, and you've got the

918
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: secret Society proto Bolsheviks, and I can call them that

919
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: and then pist off everyone who's listening who has a

920
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: dog in this fight. All three camps please now be

921
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: mad at me, But that is the best I can

922
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: figure out how to describe them. And oh and during

923
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: all of this, Louise Michelle writes Karl Marx and says,

924
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: if you have any guts, you put down your pen

925
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: and come join us. He did not. So let's talk

926
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: about what they wanted. They've got the city. What does

927
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: this motley assortment of working class folks working working together

928
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: in a weird coalition want? And the best way I

929
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: can describe it is that they wanted socialism, democracy, and

930
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: regional autonomy. They wanted Paris to function as an independent

931
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: city and coalition with other independent jurisdictions. Atlie's reclue Um,

932
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: which I keep bringing him up because I like him

933
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot, he he am at that the world war

934
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: work best with society interwoven into four different ways of relating,

935
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: and this relates to the Paris Commune. So first and

936
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: most like intimately, you have your micro community like a

937
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: family or an affinity group. And Elie's reclu was Reclu

938
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: was really into this because he was one of like

939
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: fourteen kids and him and his his brother Ellie work

940
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: together their entire lives. And then you've got the autonomous commune,

941
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: which is the most important level from this point of view,

942
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: like the Paris Commune, so they would from an anarchist perspective,

943
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: they would practice direct democracy. However, the commune was practicing

944
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: representative democracy. Eliza said that you should be able to

945
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: delegate your power to others, but not be represented by others,

946
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: so you're allowed to say, like, hey go tell him

947
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: I said this, not hey go make up my mind

948
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: for me, you know. And then all the communes would

949
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: act together in solidarity with one another in a free federation.

950
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: Then you've gotten sort of intersecting federation, which is the

951
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: Workers International. And I don't totally understand how they conceived

952
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: of it in Paris, so I don't want to linger

953
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: there um. But it's basically it seems like it's like

954
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: allegiance in addition to your geographic communion, also have allegiance

955
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: to like your essentially your workplace union type thing and so,

956
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: which was theoretically help prevent conflict between different areas because

957
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: people would have multiple sets of allegiances. You can't go

958
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: to war with that other place because the Mason's over

959
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: there and the same union as me or whatever. Um.

960
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: And if that is how they did it, I want

961
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: to know, and don't know whether or not it was

962
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: like consciously taken from the hood and Shawnee indigenous folks

963
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: in North America who had a similar set of intersecting

964
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: stateless interesting ship. Okay, then you have the Universal Republic

965
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: above all of this, and that was like a big

966
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: thing in the commune. Everyone's into the Universal Republic. And

967
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: for Reclue and a lot of other people, I think

968
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: it would tie into this fifth level, which would tie

969
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: in the entire earth community and ecological restoration, and Reclu

970
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: is really into animal rights and and nature and ship.

971
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: I really he's fucking cool. Not everyone wants the same thing.

972
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: In general. They want Paris to be an autonomous democracy,

973
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: and for a little while they get to be an

974
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: autonomous democracy. One thing they did not want at the

975
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: start was a dictatorship. Um. Actually they never wanted a dictatorship,

976
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: and they were but at the start they're all about

977
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: pluralism and the guaranteed right to free speech and the

978
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: free press. And we'll get to why I say at

979
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: the start. Eventually, do have to keep reminding myself that

980
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: this is going to end badly because I'm getting hopeful now.

981
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm at the part where I'm like, maybe it'll turn

982
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: out that everything is great and Paris is an independent

983
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: and self governing commune to this day, and I know

984
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: that's not true. It's I don't think so. I think

985
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: we would have hurt. Yeah, that's probably true. Okay, what

986
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: did they actually do? And they did some cool ship. Okay,

987
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: So the first thing they do, and my favorite thing

988
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: they do, is they abolish the death penalty and they

989
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: burned the guillotine and effigy in the public square. Fuck.

990
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: And so when I was like walking around Paris, of

991
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: the European anarchist That was like one of the first

992
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: things she wanted to point out is like, this is

993
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: where we were, not we, but you know where we

994
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: burned the fucking guillotine. And and it might make people

995
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: sad right who are listening to it, because people are

996
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: like really into the guillotine, um, but it's it's a

997
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: representation of the revolution at its worst. It was used

998
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: by a bourgeois revolution to murder fucking everybody left and right.

999
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: And I was into the guillotine as a symbol for

1000
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: a while because I thought, because I was dumb, dumb,

1001
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: that that everyone knew that it was a symbol that

1002
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: like carries its own critique inherent in it. It's like, oh, yeah,

1003
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: we're all into guillotines because we like both believe in, like,

1004
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, bringing the fight to the rich, but we

1005
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: also realized that it can go wrong and we have

1006
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: to always be careful of that. It turns out most

1007
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: people are into it because they were into revolutionary tear

1008
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: without any nu once. Yeah, I think you're giving giving

1009
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: people too much credit there, I know, but I'll give

1010
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: that credit to the fucking Paris Commune because they burned

1011
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: the fucking guillotine. After the two generals they shot, they

1012
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: stopped killing anyone until once again, right before the very end,

1013
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: they suspended rent again, which is cool. I do have

1014
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: a question that they burned the guillotine in effigy, not

1015
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: they didn't burn the actual guillotine. Sorry, they burned the

1016
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: actual guillotine, but they like as a symbol, sure, sure,

1017
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: the guillotine as an effigy of capital punishment, they burned.

1018
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: I got you. So they suspended rent again, which is cool.

1019
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: And they they went and they returned a lot of

1020
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: the stuff from the National pawn Shop, like all the

1021
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: confiscated ship except gradualists. They didn't return all of it.

1022
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: They returned all of the items like under a certain value.

1023
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: And you know, so they took your like your petty stuff. Yeah,

1024
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: you get it back. But they abolished conscription, which is

1025
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: actually kind of cool because when they I mean, what's

1026
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: always cool to not make people give fight by telling

1027
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: them if you don't fight that you throw them in jail.

1028
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: But they they abolished conscription, and yet for a long time,

1029
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: the National Guard stays huge because everyone's like, yeah, but

1030
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: we're in this, you know, we care. And they also

1031
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: abolished all the interest on loans. They declared that any

1032
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: factory that had been abandoned by its owner could be

1033
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: taken over as a cooperative, but they didn't necessarily go

1034
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: super far with it, and they also said you have

1035
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: to like buy out the owner later, like you take

1036
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: over the factory like ohem for the stuff you took,

1037
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: just like um and it. It kind of pre sages

1038
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: what happened in Argentina in two thousand three when during

1039
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: the financial crisis, factory owners just like fucked off and

1040
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: left their factories empty and the workers were like, well,

1041
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: we know to do this, and they just started running them.

1042
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: But they're actually there, weren't. People talked about this chunk

1043
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: of it a lot. But apparently Paris of the time

1044
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: was not actually a big factory talent. It was more

1045
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: of an artist an economy. People were like oppressed workers

1046
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: on a small decentralized scale. Instead, so forty three different

1047
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 1: work or cooperative businesses opened. They didn't like force cooperativization

1048
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: or collectivization on anyone. The council members were paid an

1049
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: average wage and they were recallable at any time, and

1050
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the power was actually held in these

1051
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: popular clubs. And various federations basically these sort of unions,

1052
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: but there were also unions like the Women's Union, the

1053
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: Artists Union, and the Women's Union fought for equal pay

1054
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: for women, and by some accounts it was the largest

1055
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: single organization within the commune. They did this whole thing

1056
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: another attempt at feminism, not like suffrage or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: But they also said that if you if a National

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01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: guardsman has like a kid with someone who they're not

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01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: married to, the kids still gets supported by the state

1060
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: even though they're not married. And they granted free in

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: secular education or the guaranteed free in secular education to

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01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: all kids. They ended night baking. Is this that everyone

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01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: was like, go ahead, night baker. Yeah, right, So like

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01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: whenever you listen to anything or read anything about the

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01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: Paris Commune, they're always like and they ended night baking

1066
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: as if it was this like grand thing that they did.

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01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: But what it was that like bakers didn't have to

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01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: work at night, um, because you know, it's like if

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01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: you want fresh bread in the morning, the baker is

1070
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: like working all night to give you a fresh bread

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01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: in the morning. And so they got rid of that,

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: and maybe it was a particularly hard job or something.

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01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit confused by the way everyone focuses

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01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: on night baking, Like working at gray yard shift is

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01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: like not my favorite. But but that's because like we're

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01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: in the twenty one century where where people are working

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01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: all kinds of ridiculous and unpleasant hours. Whereas you're talking

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01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: about like pre electric lighting. I bet it was actually

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01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: really unusual for for bakers to you know, I bet

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01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: bakers were the odd guys out having to work nights. Yeah,

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01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: that's probably true. Um or I don't know though, because

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01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: the phrase night baking to me just like suggests it's

1083
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: four am and I can't sleep, so I'm gonna make cookies,

1084
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: which I'm sure isn't what it was. I'm sure it

1085
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: was the other thing I said. You know, the National

1086
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: Guard went door to door to make sure that no

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01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: one was making cookies at night. It was an important

1088
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: part of their their practice. So do you know that

1089
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: painting It's called the Origin of the World, and it's

1090
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: like a closeup of some ladies like Lady Bits. Oh yes,

1091
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: I do know that painting. Oh man, you all should

1092
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: look up the Origin of the World. It's not safe

1093
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: for work. Yeah, okay, So the guy behind this painting,

1094
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: Gustav Corbett. He was a communard and also not young.

1095
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: During any of this, he helps organizing the Union of Artists.

1096
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: They demand that the museums stop. He basically he's like,

1097
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to democratize the arts, or the entire union

1098
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: says we're going to democratize the arts. He just was

1099
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: the most famous of them, so it all gets attributed

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01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: to him. Afterwards, they demanded that the museum stopped prioritizing

1101
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: the famous artists, and they did like a bunch of

1102
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: work to figure out how to get rid of all

1103
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: of the art world as elite snobbish bullshit, even though

1104
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: he totally was one of the famous artists who was

1105
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: benefighting from all the elite snobbish bullshit. And he also

1106
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: fucking ruled because later he sides with the anarchists and

1107
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: the others when it comes time to oppose the revolutionary

1108
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: police thing that ominous events that they keep referring to.

1109
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: But he also at one point he proposed demolishing Tierre's house,

1110
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: the guy in charge of France whos trying to kill

1111
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: them all, who lives in Versailles, you know, his houses

1112
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: in Paris, or it was in Paris. But then they

1113
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: demolished it. They went and demolished his house, and they

1114
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: confiscated all of his art. And he also proposed demolishing

1115
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: this like big funk off piece of public art called

1116
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: the Vendome Column, which was made of melted cannons of

1117
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: places that France had conquered or whatever, and of like

1118
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: a statue of Napoleon the first on top. And it's

1119
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: possible that he proposed moving it, not demolishing it, but

1120
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: he I think he said that because that's what he

1121
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: argued in court to not get put to death. Uh

1122
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: So it does sound tacky, it's it's a very tacky

1123
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: statue yum. And and what's cool is when they when

1124
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: they demolish it, it's just like a bunch of quarry

1125
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: workers with rope just go and fucking tear the thing down.

1126
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: And it had been a kind of like pet project

1127
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: of his for a long time, is that he wanted

1128
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: to see this like symbol of militarism come down. He

1129
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: had actually written a letter to the government being like,

1130
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: can we fucking take this thing down and move it?

1131
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: It's ugly and bad um, which did not go well

1132
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: in his court case that he had already argued for

1133
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: the destruction of this thing, or at least the moving

1134
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: of the thing. But in the end Corbett, after the

1135
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: fall of all this, he gets six months in prison

1136
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: and a fine. They probably didn't kill him because he's famous.

1137
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: That's going to come up a couple of times too.

1138
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: And but they decided he's on the hook for the

1139
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: cost of rebuilding the entire fucking monument. So he foxs

1140
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: off to Switzerland and he spends the remaining year. He's like,

1141
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: this guy is not paid for that. Yeah, there's no way. Yeah.

1142
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: But what he does is he goes to Switzerland and

1143
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: that he starts painting things like a trout caught on

1144
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: hooks that's bleeding from the gills and they're like self portraits. Yeah. Um.

1145
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: And then he dies of alcohol related ship at fifty eight,

1146
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: which is I guess the other thing to do if

1147
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: you avoid firing squads and don't die tuberculosis. There's other

1148
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: things though, that they didn't do. They were, like I said,

1149
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: they're democratic revolutionaries, gradualists. They didn't rob the bank. They

1150
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: the huh yeah, the gold reserves of the Bank of

1151
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: France had already been moved to Versailles, but there's still

1152
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: a ton of gold coins and paper money inside. Not

1153
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: only did they not rob the bank, fifty National guards

1154
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: men who like had previously worked at the Bank of

1155
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: France guarded the bank during the Paris Commune, which is

1156
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: the opposite of robbing it. Yeah. This is like when

1157
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: people guard starbucks is during riots. Yeah. Yeah, if the

1158
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: Starbucks was full of gold. Um. And basically the one

1159
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: thing everyone loves arguing about what went wrong with the commune,

1160
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: Every different faction is like, oh, they should have done this,

1161
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: they should have done that. But everyone agrees on one thing,

1162
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: which is they should have robbed the fucking bank and

1163
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: spent the money. And they didn't because despite the fact

1164
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: that they sees the city by force, they didn't actually

1165
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: expropriate stuff like they didn't. Um, they didn't actually seize

1166
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: the means of production and distributed to the workers. They

1167
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: didn't really see as much of anything. Um. It was

1168
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: kind of the mildest revolution the world is seen. Right.

1169
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like factory owners still own their factories, the

1170
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: bank is still in control of the bank. The government

1171
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: has left, and so they're doing the government's job. But

1172
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: they haven't. It doesn't sound like so far that they're

1173
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: doing a lot of the the things that might be

1174
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: considered like seizing power in a in a revolutionary way,

1175
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: right exactly. But we're gonna we're gonna leave it here

1176
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: for today. I was gonna say this week, but actually

1177
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: it'll be Wednesday that you can hear the second half

1178
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: of this. We'll leave it here at this high water

1179
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: mark where Paris is in charge of itself and the

1180
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: great god Guillotine lies in ashes on the cobbled streets. Miriam,

1181
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: how are you feeling about the communards so far? I'm

1182
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to feel too hopeful because you keep

1183
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: alluding to trials and things like that that will happen

1184
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: after the fact. So, um, things seem cool right now?

1185
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: Not try not to be too optimistic. Well, fortunately, next

1186
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: week it just stays good gets better. They abolish capitalism

1187
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: in the state. Paris has been at utopia ever since.

1188
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know what you're talking about, but there's

1189
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: like bloody weak thing. There's no nothing in history called

1190
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: bloody weak that relates to Paris. Oh well, I'm not optimistic,

1191
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: note Mirror. Is there anything you want to plug at

1192
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: the end here? Um? No, not particularly. I don't want

1193
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: anybody to find or communicate with me in any way.

1194
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: I love that so much. It's beautiful, Margaret, you plugs anything. Well,

1195
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm continuing to plug my new podcast, Cool People Who

1196
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: Did Cool Stuff, as well as the fact that you

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01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy and

1198
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Margaret Killjoy. And I have a book

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Speaker 1: coming out later this year that I don't remember the

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01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: name of off the top of my head, so I

1201
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: guess I successfully plug that. It's called We Won't Be

1202
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: Here Tomorrow and it's a collection of short stories, and

1203
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: it's not available for preorder yet, which is why I

1204
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: haven't plugged it previously on this podcast. Well, when it is,

1205
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: we'll plug it properly and then we'll be back on

1206
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: Wednesday with part two. I can't wait to hear what

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Speaker 1: happens I. Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a

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