Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about
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Speaker 5: Sophia, you went through a lot in this episode, so
Speaker 5: I do think you should be the person to bring us.
Speaker 4: In herepis Rise. Let me just say, weird to have
Speaker 4: missed last week and be like, what did I meant?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Oh I missed, I missed a lot. But here we are.
Speaker 4: We've made it to season six, episode thirteen. Things a
Speaker 4: Mama don No. This originally aired January fifth, two thousand
Speaker 4: and nine. Wow, that's weird that we're in two thousand
Speaker 4: and nine. The synopsis, Friends, is that Peyton received some
Speaker 4: startling news that she must share with Lucas while he
Speaker 4: is still in La Lucas discovers that Julian has been
Speaker 4: keeping another secret regarding the movie. Nathan struggles in a
Speaker 4: new professional environment, and Brooks search for runaway Sam forces
Speaker 4: her to confront her own feelings about the night of
Speaker 4: her attack, and there's lots of ants, really moves out
Speaker 4: of Marvin's apartment. This was directed by our favorite Mike Leone,
Speaker 4: written by Karen Gist, And we have to talk about it.
Speaker 5: You were doing a different movie on this episode, Like
Speaker 5: what show? Completely different were we all making? We're making
Speaker 5: like ten different shows. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: It was like, is it full House? Is it like?
Speaker 3: Are we doing a party of five? A?
Speaker 4: It was The Wonder Years with the Little Boys. It
Speaker 4: was it was like a lifetime movie with Brooke and Xavior.
Speaker 4: It was very I had a rough time. I had
Speaker 4: that feeling watching this episode taking notes where I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is one of those moments that makes me embarrassed
Speaker 4: about what we do for a living.
Speaker 5: Guys. I love my notes at the house. Like I
Speaker 5: walked all the way down here to the garage. It's raining,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, I have to go get them.
Speaker 5: And then I sat down and was like, no, I
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't need those notes.
Speaker 3: You remember what happened, you know how you feel.
Speaker 5: I actually liked the episode, and I I think because
Speaker 5: at this point we'd kind of resigned ourself to crazy.
Speaker 5: It was like, I guess we're doing some crazy and
Speaker 5: so it wasn't shocking anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had really jumped the shark by this point.
Speaker 4: I I will say, having not been with you guys
Speaker 4: for the last one doing the recap, I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, what's going to happen? And I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe I didn't see it coming, but I really had
Speaker 4: no idea that this is when you were going to
Speaker 4: tell Lucas you're pregnant. And I loved it either.
Speaker 3: That was a big surprise, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you played it so well, Hill, because like you're
Speaker 4: so emotional and so hysterical, and I mean that in
Speaker 4: a good way, like not hysterical, like the way that
Speaker 4: people say that to women it makes me want to
Speaker 4: poke them in the eyeballs.
Speaker 3: But yah, hysterical.
Speaker 4: They are all hysterical, darling. It made the reveal really
Speaker 4: really fun. Yeah, that was a fun day on set.
Speaker 5: Because maybe that's why I liked this episode because I
Speaker 5: remember specifically what I was doing offset and I had
Speaker 5: a friend from high school, this guy friend of mine,
Speaker 5: and we were both just like going through it and
Speaker 5: he was like, I'm going to come visit Wilmington. I
Speaker 5: was like great, and so we came down for a
Speaker 5: few days and he came to set that day that we.
Speaker 4: Filled the pregnant scene.
Speaker 5: And this is a person I've known since I was
Speaker 5: eleven years old, and he I didn't know how he
Speaker 5: was going to react, but I knew he'd be saying
Speaker 5: if with Mike leone behind the monitor and like.
Speaker 4: It would be a friendly experience.
Speaker 5: And we left that day and he was so weirded out,
Speaker 5: just like Hillary, you just started crying.
Speaker 4: I've known you forever.
Speaker 5: It was just so weird to see you like farting
Speaker 5: around and that the second the yell action, You're just
Speaker 5: snot and sweat.
Speaker 3: And professional crier.
Speaker 5: And that was it was fun to have someone there
Speaker 5: for all this stuff, you know, and have a person
Speaker 5: from my real world like touch grass and.
Speaker 4: Be like that's weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was just a Peyton was having a
Speaker 5: great time this episode.
Speaker 4: She had good news so everybody else. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 4: the tables have finally turned.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, the boys were fantastic, right the boy
Speaker 5: How come the boys never have to fight anybody?
Speaker 3: I don't the boys have to cry.
Speaker 4: They they fight.
Speaker 5: But I love Chad's reaction to the pregnancy news, and
Speaker 5: I loved when Lucas came home at the end. I'm jumping,
Speaker 5: but I just remember really like being in tune with
Speaker 5: Chad with the baby stuff because that was new for
Speaker 5: us and we were pumped about it. It was almost
Speaker 5: like we were having a baby.
Speaker 3: I like that there any any hint that of fear
Speaker 3: that Julian might interfere with Lucas and Peyton completely is
Speaker 3: gone in this episode. Of course, it's like the moment
Speaker 3: she says I'm pregnant, that storyline moves immediately over to
Speaker 3: well to Brook because he shows up to you know,
Speaker 3: help her out. But yeah, that was fun. I also
Speaker 3: really loved the pregnancy reveal. I thought that was really
Speaker 3: well done. I did think it was going to be
Speaker 3: some big, horrible news and then and then you turned
Speaker 3: it your frown up right down. It was so cute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just you wait.
Speaker 5: And I like that Mia was there, like very early
Speaker 5: on in the episode to kind of the air because
Speaker 5: there was a lot of dark shit in the last
Speaker 5: episode that felt uncharacteristic of the relationships on our show,
Speaker 5: and so I'm glad that we just got to them
Speaker 5: and we're like.
Speaker 4: Never mind just kidding, Right, Well, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: It's never mind just kidding, because here's what's weird about
Speaker 3: it is. In the last episode, it felt like you
Speaker 3: were waiting on really on news, like you had heard
Speaker 3: that something was wrong and you were really upset because
Speaker 3: remember you took it out on me. You were so
Speaker 3: mad at her, you were really proud she, But we
Speaker 3: never clarified that. It was just like, now, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, you're pregnant or did I miss something?
Speaker 5: Honestly, I think Peyton went into the hospital thinking there
Speaker 5: was like a tumor, thinking there was like a thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they were testing you for ovarian cancer.
Speaker 5: But they make you pee as a woman every time
Speaker 5: you go to the It doesn't matter what it's like
Speaker 5: a dentist appointment, you should still be in this cup. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so I think that didn't even cross her mind, which
Speaker 5: is stupid. When I was in my twenties, I had
Speaker 5: like a pregnancy test in every drawing me too.
Speaker 3: It's obsessive about it. Yeah I still have. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you gotta keep one around.
Speaker 4: She didn't have a mother, she didn't know.
Speaker 3: Nobody taught her these things. I did love.
Speaker 5: That I'm glad to be in the mother category because
Speaker 5: I do think it gets you out of all the
Speaker 5: bullsh because Haley is now getting to do all this,
Speaker 5: like the full house stuff, like the sweet stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the you know, cuddling in bed, being sexy with Nathan.
Speaker 3: It didn't feel like a like a dramatic version of
Speaker 3: full full house, like the whole Nathan and Haley stuff
Speaker 3: and the even with Dawn. I mean, I did love
Speaker 3: it with the little boys walking down the lake and
Speaker 3: seeing that the tip blossom, it was super sweet. But
Speaker 3: it also made me think, is this the time now
Speaker 3: when we're all of our fans starting to have kids
Speaker 3: that were our age, And so that's why they were like, well,
Speaker 3: this is now a family show that you can watch
Speaker 3: with your kids. I just couldn't figure out thinking the
Speaker 3: show that we started making. It seemed just jointed for
Speaker 3: a moment to be now watching a show about two
Speaker 3: little kids. Not that it wasn't sweet, just was weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it feels I definitely think it feels
Speaker 4: like a departure to watch the little boys. But also
Speaker 4: Jackson such a good little actor. Yeah, and so was
Speaker 4: the little boy playing Andre. Yeah. But I think they
Speaker 4: wanted to give him more to do. I think he
Speaker 4: wanted more to do. And you know, he'd really been
Speaker 4: put through his paces for two seasons now, and he's
Speaker 4: got big boy teeth. Yeah, and there's well and there's
Speaker 4: also something about the Flipper. But there's something about the
Speaker 4: way that Andre allows for the Quentin storyline to stay alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which and we Nathan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with Nathan wanting to wear number twelve, and you know,
Speaker 4: everything coming full circle with Brooks attack and the whole
Speaker 4: thing it, it certainly feels like they they leaned into
Speaker 4: it really hard so they could keep all of that moving. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think so top.
Speaker 5: Of Mind's what this episode was. It was all full circle.
Speaker 5: It's like if you go back, you know, you can
Speaker 5: go back a season, you can go back five seasons.
Speaker 5: Peyton and Lucas are finally together having a baby. You've
Speaker 5: got Nathan's playing basket dream. The basketball dream is finally
Speaker 5: coming true, Hailey's getting back into music, Brooke is taking
Speaker 5: her power back. You know, like all those full circle
Speaker 5: moments are happening in this episode.
Speaker 4: So it felt big.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, weird, but big weird.
Speaker 3: But I was surprised about uh, Julian's dad being the
Speaker 3: movie producer Gregory Harrison.
Speaker 4: Yes, uh huh, what an absolute dream boat he is.
Speaker 4: We spent we wound up spending so much time together
Speaker 4: over the years, and he is such a nice man,
Speaker 4: and I mean, my god, does he come in like
Speaker 4: an eighties villain in the you know, just like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: like that classically handsome You're like, does he own the newspaper?
Speaker 4: Is he gonna run for governor?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: Who's this bad man? And that made me giggle too,
Speaker 4: because it felt so it felt so weird watching him
Speaker 4: and Lucas together that that felt like its own show.
Speaker 4: I felt like I was watching like Days of Our Lives,
Speaker 4: and then I felt like I was watching full House,
Speaker 4: and then I felt like I was watching a Lifetime
Speaker 4: movie of the Week where like the assaulted woman enacts
Speaker 4: her revenge and I was like, what are we doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we should have talked more back then. We should
Speaker 5: have like done table reads or somebody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wouldn't that have been nice? I feel like a
Speaker 3: table read really could have solved a lot of problems.
Speaker 4: Table reads would have been nice for us. No way.
Speaker 5: The Gregory Harrison scenes are so great because this is
Speaker 5: a show that's had some pretty complicated daddy issues, and
Speaker 5: this guy comes in and connects with Lucas right away,
Speaker 5: and I thought Chad was so good in those scenes.
Speaker 4: He was really.
Speaker 5: Listening and communicating clearly with this man, and like it
Speaker 5: was like a healthy, non toxic male interaction. They're being
Speaker 5: vulnerable with each other. I liked it, and I thought like, oh,
Speaker 5: that's the dad that Lucas needed. And then when Lucas
Speaker 5: kind of schools him later, it's like I just found
Speaker 5: out I'm becoming a father and I'll give.
Speaker 4: My kid anything they want. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just thought how great for Lucas to have an
Speaker 5: opportunity with a dad that's not Dann Dan and doesn't
Speaker 5: carry the damage of the Keith relationship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is really nice. It's interesting that you picked
Speaker 4: up on that, because I think the thing I couldn't
Speaker 4: get past was why is this grown man telling this
Speaker 4: adult man that he doesn't know that his son is
Speaker 4: gonna try to because girlfriend, like I was, it felt
Speaker 4: so out of character and unprofessional and like petty to me.
Speaker 4: But that's obviously the writing. It's not sweet. Gregory who
Speaker 4: did a great job with it.
Speaker 3: He was playing opposite the intention, I think, which worked
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gregory just played it very like I know my
Speaker 4: son and he's a mess. He made it, you know, personal,
Speaker 4: and I thought his motivations were really good. But I
Speaker 4: was like, what movie producer would talk to a writer
Speaker 4: like that, like, what's happening? Oh, Sonny, you're helping win
Speaker 4: me over on it?
Speaker 5: Did you see the big picture in the office that
Speaker 5: was like the Warner Brothers water Tower, Like they modeled
Speaker 5: the studio executive after Warner Brothers, and then they hired
Speaker 5: the most handsome actor to come in and play like
Speaker 5: Peter Roth. You know, it was like what executive at
Speaker 5: Waterer Brothers? Were we trying to compliment with.
Speaker 4: That little that is so animal?
Speaker 5: Also, it's like a backhanded compliment of we're saying that
Speaker 5: he's super petty and god, yeah, you know, weird.
Speaker 4: But I do think the redeeming quality of it is
Speaker 4: who Lucas gets to be in response, and it is,
Speaker 4: to your point, so nice to see him talk about
Speaker 4: what he hopes would be his own course of action
Speaker 4: as a father. That's really winning. And maybe it wouldn't
Speaker 4: have felt quite as winning if Gregory hadn't been petty
Speaker 4: about Julian, you know, like maybe you need the device
Speaker 4: to make the payoff work.
Speaker 3: I like that Lucas it felt like he was well,
Speaker 3: I mean he did. He gave Julian the benefit of
Speaker 3: the doubt, which was unusual in that moment, especially since
Speaker 3: his dad wasn't a Danish sort of character. But maybe
Speaker 3: that's what it was. He was just triggered by this
Speaker 3: sense of care for another young man who's got a
Speaker 3: conflict with his dad and just wanted to stick up
Speaker 3: for him and make it okay.
Speaker 5: Well that's such a good point because while I was
Speaker 5: watching it hearing Julian described I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: Peyton Sawyer dated to Nathan Scott's. Like they're the same
Speaker 5: where they're winners, they have rich daddies, you know, and
Speaker 5: they're really trying to fight the stereotype of who they
Speaker 5: could be. They want to make art, they want to
Speaker 5: make things beautiful, they want to be like good family people, but.
Speaker 4: Those daddy issues are tricky.
Speaker 5: Same dude, and Brooke Davis has kissed both of them.
Speaker 3: Two Hey yay.
Speaker 4: But you know what's so interesting about you saying that
Speaker 4: is because we've recently had that storyline that I love
Speaker 4: where Brooke and Nathan as adults are starting to rely
Speaker 4: on each other as friends and communicate about their upbringings,
Speaker 4: and you know they're friends, and so it tracks for me.
Speaker 4: As you say that that Julian has similarities to Nathan,
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, actually, I think Brooke and Nathan's adult
Speaker 4: friendship is probably in the energy part of what lets
Speaker 4: her see Julian too.
Speaker 5: As we're talking about this, I feel like it's ringing bells.
Speaker 5: Do you guys ever remember people describing Austin as the
Speaker 5: third Scott brother because he's especially a hybrid of Lucas
Speaker 5: and Nathan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I totally blanked on that until just this second.
Speaker 3: Yeah he does. He does sort of fit in both
Speaker 3: of those, both of those pockets. I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: how this unfolds. Though. As much as I disliked the
Speaker 3: whole movie storyline all together, I'm really glad that it
Speaker 3: brought us Austin and Julian, and I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: how this goes down with Luke. I was surprised that
Speaker 3: he stuck up for him, but I'm glad that he did.
Speaker 3: When does Gregory come back though? Does he just come
Speaker 3: on set for the movie? Is that the whole deal.
Speaker 5: I remember him walking into Red Bedroom Records because he Yeah,
Speaker 5: he came in with Greg when we were all like
Speaker 5: being introduced our producer Greg, and it was Greg and Greg,
Speaker 5: that's what it was. Yeah, And he was real, Like
Speaker 5: I liked the energy he put out because he was
Speaker 5: real like, I'm a family man.
Speaker 4: I go right home after work. I don't hang out
Speaker 4: with kids. And I was like, all right, cool guy
Speaker 4: did it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: He was just really clear about who he was and
Speaker 5: what his role was there, and it was super professional.
Speaker 5: And I remember the contrast between what we'd been exposed
Speaker 5: to and then this new guy coming in, and I
Speaker 5: really respected it. It was it was nice that he
Speaker 5: articulated it so clearly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Julian's back on the movie and then he's
Speaker 3: and then he's helping Brooke solve her massive problem. Right now, Well,
Speaker 3: Brooks seemed to have actually solved it really quite well herself.
Speaker 3: He just showed up. It's a little extra muscle.
Speaker 4: It was so odd to me though, why it was
Speaker 4: blocked that way, like Austin and Evan just standing in
Speaker 4: the doorway like looking around, pulling out a phone.
Speaker 2: Calling the cops.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, she's got this handled.
Speaker 4: I was like, this feels all of this feels weird.
Speaker 5: It all felt so someone told him that they were
Speaker 5: off camera.
Speaker 3: They were like, ways, can you see my feet? Are
Speaker 3: you mym on camera?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I loved Brooks line not a man. Let's start with
Speaker 3: the beginning of Brooke going cop, trying to find her,
Speaker 3: trying to find Sam, which is great. I really liked
Speaker 3: you in this episode. You you also like, very rarely
Speaker 3: don't wear makeup in for Brook, you know, she was
Speaker 3: always like done up. It was really fun to see
Speaker 3: you just lean into the whole distraught mom, like not
Speaker 3: concerned about getting makeup.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Also, there was so much pressure from the studio to
Speaker 3: have our hair and makeup and everything look a certain
Speaker 3: way that it was nice to be in a point
Speaker 3: in the seasons where we could just kind of do
Speaker 3: what we wanted, what was best for the characters. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that was kind of fun. But yeah, that was
Speaker 3: my fave. Not a man. Not a man. Let's just
Speaker 3: get her priority straight, like I'm looking for my adopted
Speaker 3: daughter who's disappeared. But by the way, not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's not let's not start there. Yeah. I love
Speaker 4: those little interjections of humor that like she just kind
Speaker 4: of can't help herself. Those were always really fun for
Speaker 4: me to play with the storyline. I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: weird to watch it back because it just feels so
Speaker 4: extreme it is, and watching it just makes me feel
Speaker 4: so uncomfortable. And it also made me think, like we
Speaker 4: get to the end of it and they have me
Speaker 4: repeat his line to him, like you have a nice
Speaker 4: night or whatever. And they always did that with us,
Speaker 4: like I think about in later seasons. Yeah, they would
Speaker 4: always make us like repeat what the bad guy said
Speaker 4: to us, Like I remember they whenever that was was
Speaker 4: it season eight when we did the big hurricane episode,
Speaker 4: and like they make Chantelle do it, yeah, and didn't
Speaker 4: Paul do it to Carrie? Yeah, Like it's just like, God,
Speaker 4: what are we doing? Why every single time do we
Speaker 4: repeat the thing the villain said, I don't know you guys,
Speaker 4: And the whole thing just like made me cringe. I
Speaker 4: was like, I can't.
Speaker 5: It's so psychedic all over again. It is like they
Speaker 5: knew that it was a moneymaker to beat a girl up.
Speaker 5: And the thing that was hard for me is like
Speaker 5: we were in our twenties when we got beat up
Speaker 5: by Psychoederic, like we were grown ups, but Ashley, it
Speaker 5: was like a kid. Actually was a little kid getting
Speaker 5: thrown onto that bed by grown man. Yeah and that
Speaker 5: felt gross? Ye, And yeah, I don't know that we
Speaker 5: needed to duct tape a little girl and put her
Speaker 5: in a closet to get our fan base invested. Our
Speaker 5: fan base was awesome, Like, we didn't have.
Speaker 4: To go to the extreme that way.
Speaker 5: And so Brooke is essentially doing the same exact thing
Speaker 5: she did in the prom episode, where now instead of Peyton,
Speaker 5: she's coming in and taking duct tape off of Sam's
Speaker 5: mouth and I'm not going to leave you.
Speaker 4: We're gonna do this together. You know.
Speaker 3: I wonder how those things get past the writer's room, Like,
Speaker 3: how is there no one that's going, well, maybe the
Speaker 3: whole room was going we already did this, and there was,
Speaker 3: you know, one person that was determined to make it happen.
Speaker 3: But I I don't understand why we had to go
Speaker 3: to the absurd extreme again. It just seemed so over
Speaker 3: the top. And my note here of watching a woman's
Speaker 3: squirm while a man looms over them over her, it's
Speaker 3: just so unnecessary and it doesn't fit our show. It
Speaker 3: doesn't fit the themes of our show. I didn't understand
Speaker 3: what the point was other than to make it salacious,
Speaker 3: and it felt really distasteful to me. I didn't like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just a lot of it felt like it
Speaker 4: leaned in a way that was just so uncomfortable. The
Speaker 4: way he was directed to throw her around, the really
Speaker 4: sexual tone of the conversation, like with me, going, do
Speaker 4: you think they're having sex? And like speaking of mouths
Speaker 4: as yours is nice, like gros. It was just like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just was like, what, why are
Speaker 4: we doing this? And it's not that women don't get assaulted,
Speaker 4: it's not that there aren't creepy men in the world.
Speaker 4: We've all had our encounters with them. But it's like,
Speaker 4: why is this what we're choosing to do on TV?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not teaching anybody anything through this experience. That's
Speaker 3: what was irritating to me. It was just sallacious. It
Speaker 3: was just soap opera. Oh, let's make him the bad
Speaker 3: guy by giving him gross things to say, and let's
Speaker 3: watch her be really uncomfortable because that's what happens to women.
Speaker 5: So he's a thief, murderer and rapist, he's all the things.
Speaker 3: All the yeah, yeah, and it just yeah, it felt
Speaker 3: totally unnecessary because we weren't learning anything. We weren't teaching
Speaker 3: anyone anything. There was no catharsis. It wasn't it was.
Speaker 3: It was totally pointless. It really really frustrated me. However,
Speaker 3: I really did like watching Brook kick his ass see
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 4: That did feel that did feel cathartic.
Speaker 5: There was a GQ article that was written about our
Speaker 5: show by the guy who owned Peyton's house, and I
Speaker 5: remember he called our show a rape fantasy and I
Speaker 5: was so at the time. I mean he wrote it
Speaker 5: like when the show was still on the air, and
Speaker 5: I was so like what And he he was a
Speaker 5: buddy of mine, he was older than and I was like,
Speaker 5: that's what he took away from the show. But watching
Speaker 5: this episode, I'm like, oh my god. For an adult
Speaker 5: man who has a daughter that's living on one of
Speaker 5: the sets and the fan base is like watching rape fantasy,
Speaker 5: I can imagine his horror.
Speaker 4: I would be creeped out.
Speaker 3: You know, like, yeah, I wonder how Mike Leone handled this,
Speaker 3: because you know, he just like we all have to do,
Speaker 3: you have to completely commit to the job, you got
Speaker 3: to throw yourself into one hundred percent, whether you think
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous on the page or not. So as a
Speaker 3: director who has daughters, I just wonder we should ask
Speaker 3: him one day.
Speaker 5: Well, he kept the sets so light so that it
Speaker 5: never felt threatening.
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, Yeah, he was always had a very
Speaker 3: positive mindset and dialogue going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ashley kicked ass. She did, she was so good.
Speaker 4: And I do remember him talking to us about liking
Speaker 4: this dynamic that the girls were going to fight back,
Speaker 4: you know, and that he really wanted us to go
Speaker 4: for it. And I mean we choreographed a really gnarly fight, yeah,
Speaker 4: between Xavier and Brooke. It was violent, and Mike was
Speaker 4: really all in on you know, this woman kicking this
Speaker 4: man's ass. And I was like, yeah, that feels right,
Speaker 4: We're going to do it, Like, let's do it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And and so I do think that's that is part
Speaker 4: of it, right, is your job is to make the
Speaker 4: script you have, so it's in a way you're in
Speaker 4: a box, but you try to do your best inside
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 3: Did you was this post the hitcher for you or
Speaker 3: same time?
Speaker 4: Yeah? This was years later, Oh it was.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was wondering if it was like they saw that,
Speaker 3: you know, they felt like that was exciting and I
Speaker 3: saw the success and they were like, oh, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Just let's just get do it it again with Sophia.
Speaker 4: You know what, it would have.
Speaker 5: Made it better if you had had to teach Sam
Speaker 5: that cheer camp trick just real fast.
Speaker 2: Make a table, all force, all fours, tight cor.
Speaker 1: Cheerleadership.
Speaker 4: I would have fixed it. That would have been funny.
Speaker 5: I know though, Like you know when we would get
Speaker 5: scripts like this kind of that gut feeling of.
Speaker 2: Oh, I gotta do this.
Speaker 5: But you know they've been showing Brook with a gun.
Speaker 5: They've been showing Brook like possessing all of this trauma
Speaker 5: for so long. Yeah, I get full circle, like you're
Speaker 5: saying to just like get it over with, like okay, fine, yeah,
Speaker 5: let's fight.
Speaker 4: Let's be done. Yeah, Like, let's do it and be done.
Speaker 3: And is it after this? Does Brook start to kind
Speaker 3: of go back to normal or do you do you remember?
Speaker 4: I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Well, we know she put her head on Julian's chest.
Speaker 4: She just crumpled right in.
Speaker 5: It was like speed where they kiss at the end
Speaker 5: because it's just been such an extreme day.
Speaker 3: Kiss me make this day better.
Speaker 4: I've got to put my feelings somewhere in your mouth.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 4: It's also so funny because and I know we've talked
Speaker 4: about this, but obviously we had really tall boys on
Speaker 4: our show, and so we were always in heels. But
Speaker 4: because we'd been doing stunts, I was in converse. So
Speaker 4: like me leaning into Austin's chest, it's like my forehead
Speaker 4: goes into a sternum, Like it's the least sexy embrace.
Speaker 4: It just looks like it's like kid's sister being like, oh.
Speaker 3: Dark, No, I look cute.
Speaker 5: It looked cute, and then he like gives you a
Speaker 5: little pet, like a.
Speaker 4: Little pet pet. Yeah, they like it's okay, honey.
Speaker 5: No, it kept it like simplatonic but.
Speaker 3: Also like well spicy going on here.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was cute. It wasn't as cute as chasing
Speaker 4: me though. No, that was cutie, super cute.
Speaker 3: Fun to see that it's starting.
Speaker 4: How is she only eighteen?
Speaker 3: Wait? Is she is that what we figured out?
Speaker 4: That's what our kids? She says it. Oh, when she's
Speaker 4: teaching him to make Long Island iced teas, he's like,
Speaker 4: do you want my job? And she says I can't.
Speaker 4: I'm only eighteen, that's right, And I was like, excuse,
Speaker 4: but I guess we're all only twenty two, so I.
Speaker 3: Guess that's true. It seems like we're so much older
Speaker 3: for all the problems we're dealing with.
Speaker 4: It is so insane.
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't remember us driving around in the car.
Speaker 5: I don't remember chasing me immetingly. I think the element
Speaker 5: of surprise for me watching this was great because I just, yeah,
Speaker 5: somewhere else.
Speaker 4: There was a lot I didn't remember, but I wish
Speaker 4: I could remember why anyone convinced us that it was
Speaker 4: a sellable thing to do to stop the car just
Speaker 4: in the road, shoot the scene, and then keep driving. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, they couldn't have just put us on
Speaker 4: a process trailer.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, because we were already at Quinton's house.
Speaker 5: They're like, not only are the girls going to stop,
Speaker 5: they're going to stop at Quentin's house. Right.
Speaker 4: It must have been behind.
Speaker 3: It had to have been behind on the day. They
Speaker 3: just had to get it done.
Speaker 4: It was really terrible. I was embarrassed. I was like,
Speaker 4: I mean, we did it, we did our jobs, but like, why, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's on traffic. It's a residential neighborhood.
Speaker 3: You just stopped.
Speaker 4: I just need to say this here and then I
Speaker 4: can keep driving. When you literally say to me, you go,
Speaker 4: you're driving Brooke and we're stopped in the middle of
Speaker 4: the street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be fair, I did think from peripherally, I
Speaker 3: did think that it was you guys were at a
Speaker 3: stop late for a second, is it. Do you think
Speaker 3: maybe they were trying to make it look like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't watching it the way that you were,
Speaker 3: because you were there, so you remember.
Speaker 4: Every single thing. Just gave me the eck. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh god, I'm embarrassed. No, you were just looking so hard.
Speaker 5: By the way, just so every woman out there knows
Speaker 5: that bullshit about having to wait forty eight hours when
Speaker 5: someone's missing. I believed that for years until I started
Speaker 5: doing it couldn't happen here and met with law enforcement
Speaker 5: and they're like.
Speaker 4: Oh, no, that's just total bullshit.
Speaker 5: That's just what we tell people so that you know,
Speaker 5: we're only dealing with real serious stuff. And so if
Speaker 5: you have someone who is missing, make them try to
Speaker 5: show you the code, because it's not real.
Speaker 4: It's not real.
Speaker 5: WHOA Now, if there is a child or a woman
Speaker 5: or anyone that is missing, just push hard. Yeah, because
Speaker 5: when that cop was all like, ladies, she's a runaway,
Speaker 5: she's also an at risk juvenile all get her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 3: Do you guys see the lady on Instagram who does
Speaker 3: lie for your safety?
Speaker 4: Have you seen this girl?
Speaker 3: I actually don't even know if I follow her, if
Speaker 3: I just she just keeps popping up in my feed.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a lie. It's life for your safety.
Speaker 3: It's like all the rules of how to things that
Speaker 3: you can say to make sure that if you're an
Speaker 3: environment where you feel in danger, that you know the
Speaker 3: right lie to tell you know, you're never home alone,
Speaker 3: You're never I don't remember all of them, but they're
Speaker 3: really good. Also, I should try and find some and
Speaker 3: send them over because it's something that I want my
Speaker 3: daughter to know about too. I feel like there's a
Speaker 3: lot of these sort of unspoken rules and things that
Speaker 3: you can do that, yeah, helpful so.
Speaker 4: You don't go missing. Right, of course needs to at that's.
Speaker 3: What Sam needs. She was so good. Ashley Ricard's man.
Speaker 3: I just love her work all the time. She always
Speaker 3: surprises me. I was also surprised by Millie and mouth
Speaker 3: in this episode, are we going for it? Move on?
Speaker 4: That was a rough made me sad.
Speaker 5: Beilification of Milly here didn't make me happy same, I
Speaker 5: didn't like it at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I get in the heat of the moment,
Speaker 3: it's a fight. Oh my god, I slept with somebody
Speaker 3: else and I was a virgin. It was supposed to
Speaker 3: be you like that. That's heated, that's intense. That's an
Speaker 3: intense thing to deal with in a relationship. I could
Speaker 3: understand why there would they would part ways in the
Speaker 3: moment and go, you know, stress out somewhere else. But
Speaker 3: like that last scene of her packing up her bags
Speaker 3: and leaving and I'm sorry, I'm sorry too, Like I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: you're such a slick you did this like off ew No,
Speaker 3: it made me really mad.
Speaker 4: Well and bothered me about it again. It's like it's
Speaker 4: the commodification of women and the excusing of men's bad behavior,
Speaker 4: which I mean, we know who wrote our show, so fine,
Speaker 4: but it's so crazy to me that he has been
Speaker 4: behaving the way he's been behaving, like leading on this
Speaker 4: woman having this really inappropriate flirtatious relationship, knows it makes
Speaker 4: his partner uncomfortable. And then continues it keeps going farther.
Speaker 4: He doesn't stand up for himself or for his partner.
Speaker 4: And then because she is like, I'm out, like it
Speaker 4: doesn't it doesn't matter, this idea that like she did
Speaker 4: the worst thing. I'm like, no, we were on a break.
Speaker 5: We were on a break weeks and months of being
Speaker 5: gas lit and like being lied to, and when you
Speaker 5: have the courage to articulate, you are me and the
Speaker 5: other person is just like, sorry, not sorry, you know
Speaker 5: you're blowing this out of proportion. Go sleep with all
Speaker 5: the bartenders you want.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 5: Go Milly go like I hate it for her that
Speaker 5: it was not a special moment and that it was like,
Speaker 5: of course, yah, maybe Owen showed her a good time.
Speaker 5: We don't know, we weren't there. Yeah we did Brook
Speaker 5: ever sleep with Owen.
Speaker 4: I don't know together, I don't think so okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look at this little dosey dough. Now Milly's shacking
Speaker 5: up with Owen and Brooke is making googly.
Speaker 4: Eyes at Julian and listen.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 5: There's that moment in Close Over Bros. Where Peyton clocks
Speaker 5: Julian and Brooke talking to each other about looking for
Speaker 5: Sam and that was fun.
Speaker 4: That was a fun moment. You're like, huh, you guys
Speaker 4: get a free pass.
Speaker 5: You're good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, enjoy yourself.
Speaker 5: We've just talk about nain m hmmm.
Speaker 4: Leather varsity jacket.
Speaker 3: So good.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: Why doesn't he wear that every day?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh yeah, I love it. I love
Speaker 3: seeing him. I like that. I'm so glad they're keeping
Speaker 3: basketball alive on the show because I was getting to
Speaker 3: I mean, slamball was great too, But yeah, we definitely
Speaker 3: need to continue that. I mean, I'm not surprised he
Speaker 3: made the Bee League. I knew he would only because
Speaker 3: I suspected it, not because I remembered. But that was fun.
Speaker 4: Why did they I don't know.
Speaker 5: Okay, this is a I am a little uncomfortable that
Speaker 5: every bad guy trash talker that Nathan runs into is
Speaker 5: a blackmail.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what the hell? Like, no, it's awful.
Speaker 5: It's pretty tone deaf and like, yeah, gross, yep, didn't
Speaker 5: like that, And it's happened over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: And what's frustrating is it like that's one of the
Speaker 4: things that you point out to the powers that be
Speaker 4: and they tell you you're being too sensitive and ridiculous,
Speaker 4: and you're like, but do you.
Speaker 3: Not, Yeah, because they have being inclusive. They're like, it's diversity.
Speaker 3: We're bringing in lots of people who have color. And
Speaker 3: you're going, okay, but in what capacity?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Just take a look. Yeah, you're like you really,
Speaker 4: you really haven't finished the sentence yet, have yet?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 5: Okay, But I thought that bad Guy was great, you know,
Speaker 5: did a good job.
Speaker 3: Kind of familiar to me. Why does that actor looks
Speaker 3: so familiar?
Speaker 4: I really liked that he he puts something underneath the
Speaker 4: combativeness mm hmm. Like so many people, you know, get
Speaker 4: a guest star rule like that and they're just supposed
Speaker 4: to be like, you know, the combative, angry whatever, and
Speaker 4: and he had something else going on. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he made it real unrelatable.
Speaker 4: You could feel the pressure and the goals, and it
Speaker 4: was really I thought it was a really beautiful performance
Speaker 4: that did more with that role than what was on
Speaker 4: the page. And I wish we could ask Mike Leone
Speaker 4: about it, like, you know, knowing our show so well
Speaker 4: and for our friends at home, Mike Leone, who directed
Speaker 4: this episode, was our script supervisor on the show, so
Speaker 4: I mean, there's literally no one who knows our scripts better. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I'd be so curious to know how he would
Speaker 4: think about, you know, how to direct people because of that,
Speaker 4: because these.
Speaker 5: Are grown ass men tearing each other's pictures up like that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was so dumb.
Speaker 2: I wrote that down in my notes.
Speaker 4: I was like, what adult men are ripping up each
Speaker 4: other's family photos? Like what are we doing?
Speaker 3: But not the kid? Like you wouldn't touch the kid,
Speaker 3: but the but the wife and the whole family. That's progress.
Speaker 3: That was so strange. Yeah, I don't know, do you
Speaker 3: guys do this in like in sports, because you're gonna
Speaker 3: like you guys, we.
Speaker 4: Are talking about an episode in which grown men ripped
Speaker 4: up each other's family photos and I pistol whipped someone.
Speaker 4: What is happening? Like, what is happening?
Speaker 5: And the thing is, though, you know when you go
Speaker 5: to a restaurant and they put all the shit together
Speaker 5: that shouldn't go together, like eggs on a donut on
Speaker 5: a pizza, and you taste it and you're like.
Speaker 4: I mean all right, yeah, no, I love it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what our show is at this point. It
Speaker 5: is just yea eggs on a donut on a pizza
Speaker 5: and the salt sugar mixed together, and you're like fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fine, whatever, just just it's all going to the
Speaker 3: same place.
Speaker 4: You're like looking at it makes me feel a little sick,
Speaker 4: but it is delicious.
Speaker 3: Okay. So this is bj Britt. He was in Vampire Suck,
Speaker 3: Agents of She and Peaceful Warrior. Maybe Shield is when
Speaker 3: I I don't know, but he was. He was really good.
Speaker 3: I was glad to see what you said, Sophia as well,
Speaker 3: that there was something underneath it, and it made me
Speaker 3: want to see more of him me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I wonder are they going to become friends,
Speaker 4: because that would be cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, is it that sense of healthy competition where
Speaker 3: he knows they're going to be trash talking him from
Speaker 3: the other team on the court, so they they sort
Speaker 3: of give each give it to each other in practice
Speaker 3: so that they're used to it and build up their immunity.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sporty either, I don't really know.
Speaker 4: I love the immunity to the trash talk.
Speaker 5: Community, to trash we're going to go put on little shorts, jockstrap,
Speaker 5: little say nasty things to each other.
Speaker 4: Like I just that's what my child does theater go on?
Speaker 4: Now talk feelings? Do that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: The toxic team mentality is not good for anyone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but this coach, this coach has been in so
Speaker 5: many episodes and all I ever hear called coach and
Speaker 5: I'm like, what is this character's name?
Speaker 4: It's making me know who is he? Because he's a
Speaker 4: good actor.
Speaker 3: The blonde guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hockelmbrook didn't kiss him, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't kiss the hot doctor. I didn't kiss the
Speaker 4: cute coach. What are we doing?
Speaker 3: I'm still mad about the doctor doctor.
Speaker 4: It was a real missed opportunity.
Speaker 3: We have a fun quote from Jackson, was it?
Speaker 4: Jackson?
Speaker 3: Sometimes people have to cry out all the tears to
Speaker 3: make a room for a heart full of smiles. I'm sentimental.
Speaker 3: I thought that was really sweet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the little kids processing grief together. Really it just
Speaker 4: cuts to the quick of the issue in a very
Speaker 4: interesting way. And I know it's strange to kind of
Speaker 4: watch those Wonder Years scenes, but I liked it for
Speaker 4: what you saw Jackson process, for the way that it
Speaker 4: kept Quentin top of mind for Nathan, and then for
Speaker 4: what it offered to Dawn, you know, her being able
Speaker 4: to have this moment where she realizes that her young
Speaker 4: child is seeing more than she thinks he is, because
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the truth for every parent, right like
Speaker 4: my God, In my adult years, as I've done therapy,
Speaker 4: like all of us have, you know, I've taken some
Speaker 4: things to my parents and they're like, what do you
Speaker 4: You weren't there or you remember that? And I'm like, hello,
Speaker 4: I've been in therapy for thirty years. What are we
Speaker 4: talking about? And it's like, we don't often get to
Speaker 4: see that when a kid gets to look at a
Speaker 4: parent and say I am affected by this. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: I thought, I don't know. I thought that that was
Speaker 4: really special, and I thought it was a sweet device.
Speaker 3: I definitely feel that as a parent that I'm constantly
Speaker 3: surprised by how much she notices and remembering how at
Speaker 3: such a young age, when they're is grief to process
Speaker 3: and there are hard things you find. You try and
Speaker 3: find ways and quotes and isms and metaphors and just
Speaker 3: ways to make it really simple for a child's mind
Speaker 3: to process things that are hard. So I think that's
Speaker 3: also why I really loved that quote, because it felt
Speaker 3: so so simple and yet so poignant and real. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's true.
Speaker 4: The kids.
Speaker 3: Kids see everything, they notice everything, they just don't know
Speaker 3: what they're looking at all the time.
Speaker 5: Down coming from a comedy background and doing such heavy
Speaker 5: dramatic work in this, I don't know if that's like
Speaker 5: the secret trick, you know, like Steve Carell has that thing,
Speaker 5: Jim Carrey did it, and we're like, you're a funny person.
Speaker 5: I was obsessed with don when she joined our show
Speaker 5: because I was a kid that grew up on a
Speaker 5: different world, and then I was obsessed with Tenth Kingdom
Speaker 5: and she plays one of the trolls in Tenth Kingdom,
Speaker 5: which was a mini series that came on like senior
Speaker 5: in high school.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, wait was this like the ABC Sunday
Speaker 3: Night movie that was like a three parts.
Speaker 4: John there kat Oh cool, Yeah, she's one of the trolls.
Speaker 3: I have to go back and watch this.
Speaker 5: And so Dawn had done all of this comedic work
Speaker 5: and she comes on to our show and there is
Speaker 5: zero funny about what she's doing, and she just nails it.
Speaker 5: And I loved that she wasn't despondent, she wasn't in
Speaker 5: her room locked up. She's still functioning in the kitchen
Speaker 5: doing the very best that she can. Yeah, and the
Speaker 5: kid is still clocking the energy.
Speaker 3: In the cleanest house I ever saw.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but there have been so many pictures of her
Speaker 5: on the internet lately. We have some mutual friends and
Speaker 5: she's doing the reunion tour for a Different World right now.
Speaker 5: So she's out there and like what like her cute
Speaker 5: outfits dancing on stage with the.
Speaker 3: Whole cat go to the reunion tour for Different World?
Speaker 3: Where is that happening?
Speaker 5: That show is so good and I watched so much
Speaker 5: of it as a kid, and I'm like, what's the
Speaker 5: equivalent of that now?
Speaker 3: I don't know, But I had such a crush on
Speaker 3: Malcolm Jamal Warner. I love that show. Was he on that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He came in like halfway I think he did. Maybe
Speaker 3: he did like a guest well because it was wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Where Denise Denise goes to college?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he would come in and I think he
Speaker 3: came in on like for a season or something to visit.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 5: Such a cool, cool cast and so yeah, Dawn, I'm
Speaker 5: glad we kept the Fields family as long as we did.
Speaker 5: When we started we started this season and like Quentin
Speaker 5: dies so quickly. I was like, what I thought there
Speaker 5: was more, and so I'm glad. I'm glad there was more.
Speaker 5: I hope there's more and more they say.
Speaker 4: I know. It's like, I want to see the parallel
Speaker 4: universe of our show and see what Robbie would have
Speaker 4: done in season six if we had not made that
Speaker 4: terrible mistake.
Speaker 5: We have to make the point though, that Devin McGee
Speaker 5: was given a storyline and he was given work to do,
Speaker 5: and he did such a good job being a creep.
Speaker 4: Oh so trutally terrifying.
Speaker 5: You know, the light switch thing that happens when he's like, Sam,
Speaker 5: you better keep your mouth shut. And then he's having
Speaker 5: that creepy conversation with Brooke where he's like, I'm trying
Speaker 5: to get my work done.
Speaker 4: And he's being really like almost a mirror. Yeah, he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm really so understated and small.
Speaker 3: It's weird. That's hard to do. It's hard to pull
Speaker 3: that off. I would think I haven't had to play
Speaker 3: a real creep, but I would think that's pretty difficult
Speaker 3: to do where you're like trying to I guess it's
Speaker 3: kind of like playing drunk. Were you trying to play sober.
Speaker 5: You know, you can see him trying to play normal,
Speaker 5: and it's.
Speaker 3: So great exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, he did such a good job, and I love
Speaker 5: that he does conventions, and I love that there are
Speaker 5: fans that are like, I gotta give me a picture
Speaker 5: with him.
Speaker 4: I need my villain picture.
Speaker 3: I'm starting to miss deb I really miss Moira, just
Speaker 3: their presence on camera, and I feel like I need
Speaker 3: some more of that soon. I'm even starting to miss Dan.
Speaker 3: I feel like we haven't seen him in a while either.
Speaker 3: I know what's going on. I need them back.
Speaker 4: Did we miss any storylines? Well, the only one that
Speaker 4: we haven't talked about is Owen breaking his sobriety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really curious.
Speaker 4: I thought that the sort of collision course of Owen
Speaker 4: and Millie was cool, just because they're both great actors
Speaker 4: and it was interesting to see them as characters sort
Speaker 4: of run into each other with their pain. I do
Speaker 4: wish we'd seen a little more of what happened, and
Speaker 4: I want to understand.
Speaker 3: I don't know what did you guys.
Speaker 4: Think about the way they handled him breaking his sobriety,
Speaker 4: because I didn't understand why it was happening, and then
Speaker 4: only when Chase comes does he say, you know, they
Speaker 4: gave him pain pills because he got hurt and slamball,
Speaker 4: And I was like, wait a second, this could have
Speaker 4: been like a big deal. Yeah, this could have been
Speaker 4: a really good storyline for him, and instead it just
Speaker 4: seemed like he went rogue and then threw it all away.
Speaker 3: It's one of the hard parts I think about being
Speaker 3: on a show with a big ensemble cast, and also
Speaker 3: one of the puzzling things because we did twenty two episodes,
Speaker 3: so there was plenty of time to tease out some
Speaker 3: of these some of these character development pieces instead of
Speaker 3: doing random violent storylines. Again, so it's confusing as to
Speaker 3: me as to why they didn't take the time to
Speaker 3: draw that out. But considering all the other things they
Speaker 3: were packing in, I feel like we sometimes ended up
Speaker 3: with caricatures of characters rather than and who they really are.
Speaker 3: And I wish I'd have been able to see Owen
Speaker 3: have some of his own moments outside of his connection
Speaker 3: to other people that are core members of the show,
Speaker 3: because we were at a point now in the series
Speaker 3: where I would have been fine. I mean, Joe's compelling
Speaker 3: to watch. He's interesting, he's a good actor. We knew
Speaker 3: enough about his storyline, his interactions with you and Rachel,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I would have been fine watching him have
Speaker 3: his own arc in an episode outside of his relation
Speaker 3: to any of us.
Speaker 4: Same.
Speaker 3: I wish they would have done it.
Speaker 5: It makes me feel better to hear that you wanted
Speaker 5: to see more of what actually happened with Millie and Owen,
Speaker 5: because that was my gut instinct. And I didn't know
Speaker 5: if I was being like voyeuristic, but I wasn't looking
Speaker 5: for sexy.
Speaker 4: I was like, what happened? Did he cry? Because he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: did she cry because she was truck? How did they
Speaker 4: say goodbye to each other?
Speaker 5: Like all of those things really inform.
Speaker 3: But that wasn't the point. The point was Million's a slut.
Speaker 4: That's the point exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's why we didn't get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't get any real payoff.
Speaker 5: No, it's all shapes how she's reacting to mouth the
Speaker 5: next day, like what was that experience?
Speaker 4: Was it sad? Was it mean?
Speaker 5: Was it scary? Was it actually like kind of nice?
Speaker 5: Which makes her feel guilty, Like we have no idea
Speaker 5: and to not get a hint at that, But you're
Speaker 5: right to get the violence over and over again when
Speaker 5: we could have had something that was really telling us a.
Speaker 4: Story, substantive stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do we think happened? Do we ever find out?
Speaker 4: I don't know. But the thing that I think about
Speaker 4: in terms of the million Owen dynamic is like Owen
Speaker 4: wouldn't sleep with brut right, Remember he was like, I'm
Speaker 4: not doing that. Oh yeah, he has a whole thing
Speaker 4: about himself and I think about his sobriety, and I
Speaker 4: would like to think that if they had that conversation,
Speaker 4: there would have been a lot of like are you sure?
Speaker 4: I don't know how I feel about it. I would
Speaker 4: have loved to have seen her go. All that waiting
Speaker 4: has done is made it seem like a bigger deal.
Speaker 4: Everyone's paranoid. I don't know what to do, you know, like,
Speaker 4: let them have a real conversation about why she might
Speaker 4: just want to get this thing over with and let
Speaker 4: him ask her questions, let them make a decision, like
Speaker 4: it's not something I think he would be flippant about,
Speaker 4: given what we know about him as a character. And
Speaker 4: I actually think it would have been such a cool
Speaker 4: dynamic to see two grown adults have a conversation and
Speaker 4: like make a decision, and was it then funny and awkward?
Speaker 4: Like did they have kind of a good time? Was
Speaker 4: she then? Like, well, it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't
Speaker 4: with someone I'm in love with? Like how do I
Speaker 4: process that? You know? I would have liked to have
Speaker 4: seen real exploration of intimacy and the way we make
Speaker 4: our decisions.
Speaker 5: We got it with mouth mouth got to have those
Speaker 5: conversations with like Shelley and with Rachel, you know, like
Speaker 5: he got to have these let's let's talk it out,
Speaker 5: let's think about it.
Speaker 4: With Erica, marsh Mill is just the the angel to
Speaker 4: the whores. So fast, girl, it's terrible.
Speaker 3: It's such a bad cliche. Bad look, what a bad look.
Speaker 5: See I liked it when she got her double bag
Speaker 5: and got the out. I was like, yeah, girl, you
Speaker 5: gotta go live on your own do some things.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, bad look on the writing, But yes,
Speaker 3: I was down for Milly.
Speaker 4: By the way, That's what Hailey tells me, is like,
Speaker 4: you gotta go out and live a life. You can't
Speaker 4: write songs if you don't have any stories.
Speaker 5: Right points are made, so everybody's got stories this week.
Speaker 3: Speaking of making stories, we have a question from Kate.
Speaker 3: Can you speak to how you direct an episode that
Speaker 3: you act in as well and how do you get
Speaker 3: support for the scenes you're in. That's an interesting question,
Speaker 3: thanks Kate. So how did you find that did you
Speaker 3: enjoy it?
Speaker 4: I did? I enjoyed it. I think you know the
Speaker 4: way that I did it, and I would imagine you
Speaker 4: did much the same. Was you know, our on site producer,
Speaker 4: Greg was on set every day when we were directing,
Speaker 4: and you know, he was one of the people who
Speaker 4: directed the most episodes of our show. And essentially, you know,
Speaker 4: you would still spend your week doing prep and pre
Speaker 4: production and location scouts and all the things you needed
Speaker 4: to do, and then you would block scenes and for
Speaker 4: the ones you were in, you would block them with
Speaker 4: your actors, tell people what you wanted to do. Your
Speaker 4: stand ins would watch as normal, but then you'd step
Speaker 4: out and you'd watch the stand in do the scene
Speaker 4: with all the actors and make sure it was looking
Speaker 4: and then that would be it. And so when when
Speaker 4: we would have to act in scenes, Greg would call
Speaker 4: action and cut. You know, we would converse in detail
Speaker 4: about did the camera move happen the way I described it?
Speaker 4: Did it feel really fluid?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: Did the reveal work because you had to trust someone
Speaker 4: else to be your eyes? And then obviously for all
Speaker 4: the scenes you're not in, you just get to singularly
Speaker 4: focus and be the director. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not enjoy it because I prefer to
Speaker 3: just be totally in the moment. So I want to
Speaker 3: be totally focused with what I'm doing, whether I'm directing,
Speaker 3: I want to be totally focused on that. If I'm
Speaker 3: in a scene, I don't want to be looking at
Speaker 3: the other actor thinking about what they should be doing
Speaker 3: differently to make the scene better, or what I should
Speaker 3: be doing differently because I can't tell because I'm it's
Speaker 3: That was not fun for me. I didn't like that.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be there and like experience.
Speaker 4: You've directed stuff after the show, right, I did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of short films and commercial and some stuff.
Speaker 3: I'd like to do more, but I'm just not at
Speaker 3: that point in my life right now. Have you directed yet?
Speaker 4: Hillary? No?
Speaker 3: Why you should? Yeah, you really would be very good
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 4: Well, that's nice, thank you.
Speaker 5: I have a complicated relationship I think with scripted television,
Speaker 5: and I'm realizing that as we go through this process
Speaker 5: because my husband loves it in a way that I
Speaker 5: still feel this resistance too. I had a person be like, Hillary,
Speaker 5: what do you watch?
Speaker 4: What do you love?
Speaker 5: And I was like, I strictly watch documentary, and so
Speaker 5: I have some documentaries to direct that are in the
Speaker 5: pipeline right now. But there's something about telling true stories
Speaker 5: that feels really safe to me and feels like I'm
Speaker 5: not manipulating anybody, like, because I think we were manipulated
Speaker 5: so much on sets that really stuck with me, and
Speaker 5: so in documentary, making sure that we are really like
Speaker 5: trying to uncover the truest version of the truth because
Speaker 5: everybody has a different truth. That feels that's safe, that's better. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we should just do documentaries on our characters, but like
Speaker 5: they're real people, like remember those MTV documentaries?
Speaker 4: Yeah, true life totally.
Speaker 3: I think that you should consider at some point doing
Speaker 3: a film or short film or something that's that is fictionalized,
Speaker 3: because you do have such a strong grasp on reality,
Speaker 3: the way that reality looks and feels on camera, probably
Speaker 3: because you're watching documentaries all the time.
Speaker 4: It's like just in your in your blood.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if you're not doing anything, I'm heavily involved
Speaker 5: with the middle school production of A Midsummer Night's Dream, So.
Speaker 3: You know, Julie ta more look Out.
Speaker 4: Razzle dazzle. Uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird how we all were groomed to do
Speaker 5: the same job as kids, and how that that changes.
Speaker 5: Everybody takes that one ball of clay and they turn
Speaker 5: it into different stuff as we grow up, and that's cool,
Speaker 5: you know. Yeah, and directing yourself sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 5: It's awful, awful, Kate, why'd you bring it up? So
Speaker 5: honorable mention? Like, what did we love? Because I for
Speaker 5: all of the stuff.
Speaker 4: That we're like, this is weird, this is weird, this
Speaker 4: is weird. I did really like this episode you did.
Speaker 3: I liked don I thought she was great. I would
Speaker 3: give my honorable mention to her or b J Britt.
Speaker 3: Actually there was something really like cool about I mean,
Speaker 3: he made me want to come back for more of him.
Speaker 3: So anytime somebody makes me want to come back for more,
Speaker 3: I'm in.
Speaker 4: I'd give my honorable mention to you Hill that that
Speaker 4: reveal in the beginning that it's not cancer, it's a baby.
Speaker 4: I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 4: You know, we all have, like Peyton, a sad trauma,
Speaker 4: and I was so it was so happy and then
Speaker 4: you were just like bumbling and overjoyed, and I loved it.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, this, I needed that. I needed
Speaker 4: a misdirect from like fear to happiness.
Speaker 5: Well, guess what, guys, the pendulum's going to swing back
Speaker 5: in the other direction and you are going to be
Speaker 5: all happy, perky, everything's great, and Peyton's will be like, dude.
Speaker 5: So we had our break.
Speaker 4: This is the top of the mountain.
Speaker 5: I really liked these little kids talking to each other.
Speaker 5: The only other time we've had real little kid action
Speaker 5: is when we had little Dan and little Keith hanging
Speaker 5: out in the tree.
Speaker 3: It was so creepy graveyard. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, this was like earnest. This was loving.
Speaker 5: Our fan base had all become parents. They were like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: and I that it meant it's a break from the sexy,
Speaker 5: it's a break from the violence. It meant that the
Speaker 5: powers that be were saying, this softer dynamic is valuable, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope it grows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was nice, even though they were afraid of it,
Speaker 3: so they had to put it in an episode with
Speaker 3: lots of ridiculous violence.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine the little boy that plays Quentin's little
Speaker 5: brother Andre, and he's like, classmates, I'm in this.
Speaker 4: Episode of One Tree Hill. You should watch it.
Speaker 5: And everyone in the second grade at his school is
Speaker 5: watching pistol whip someone like. It's not the elementary school
Speaker 5: watch party.
Speaker 3: It's just spin a wheel, we do.
Speaker 4: We have to spin the wheel? All right? What if
Speaker 4: we just say whatever it is. We don't know what
Speaker 4: it is yet, but whatever it is, it's Millie.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, it's yeah, most likely to be a contestant
Speaker 3: on Jeopardy that is Milly one hundred yeah, and maybe
Speaker 3: Lisa in real life.
Speaker 5: Honestly, yes, the flowers this episode, poor Milly. We still
Speaker 5: believe in you. We don't think you're a slut. We've
Speaker 5: done worse.
Speaker 3: No, not at all, although sof actually you really should
Speaker 3: be on Have you done like a celebrity Jeopardy or anything?
Speaker 5: Yet?
Speaker 3: No, come on, thank you. I would pay money to
Speaker 3: see that front row. I would be right there so
Speaker 3: you can do it. You'd kill it. You'd be amazing.
Speaker 3: Next episode, Season six, episode fourteen, A Hand to take
Speaker 3: Hold of the scene.
Speaker 4: That's a weird one.
Speaker 3: All right, folks, We'll see you next week. Hey, thanks
Speaker 3: for listening.
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