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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big

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Speaker 1: life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they

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Speaker 1: mean for our psychology. Hello everybody, or welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, or welcome back to the podcast. New listeners,

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Speaker 1: old listeners, wherever you are in the world, I am

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Speaker 1: so glad that you are here. Thank you for tuning in,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Psychology of Your Twenties. This week, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about something that is highly personal to me at the moment,

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Speaker 1: and something that I have never spoken about on the

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Speaker 1: show before, despite it being a massive part of my

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Speaker 1: value set, despite it being a massive belief of mine,

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Speaker 1: a massive ethos. And that is why we should take

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Speaker 1: risks in our twenties, Why it is so important to

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Speaker 1: of what we think we are capable of, to just

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Speaker 1: see what happens, to explore the possibilities that this life

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Speaker 1: and this earth and this decade really provides us. This

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Speaker 1: has been really on my mind recently. For those of

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Speaker 1: you who don't know, I don't do this podcast full time.

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Speaker 1: I have a job. I have a full time job.

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Speaker 1: I work nine to five in an office, and that

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Speaker 1: was until recently I have quit my job. I resigned,

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Speaker 1: and it has really made me rethink my relationship with

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Speaker 1: risk and reinforce how important it is to take advantage

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Speaker 1: of the opportunity that this decade provides, and that is

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Speaker 1: to make mistakes, that is, to really go out into

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that it's not just

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Speaker 1: me saying this from a personal perspective, but so much

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Speaker 1: of the psychology and the science and the unconscious explanations

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Speaker 1: that science provides us really justifies this, and it justifies

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Speaker 1: this pattern of behavior to take control of your twenties

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Speaker 1: and use it, and use this time, and use these

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Speaker 1: opportunities to take risks and see what's out there. I

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Speaker 1: think it's such a valuable decade for many reasons, one

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Speaker 1: of them being that our twenties is so unique in

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Speaker 1: that the only person when normally and I would say

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Speaker 1: usually only accountable to is ourselves. We don't have children,

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Speaker 1: I would say for most of us. Of course, there

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Speaker 1: are instances in which people get houses young, or they

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Speaker 1: have financial debt from taking out student loans, or they

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Speaker 1: need to look after a parent who was ill. But

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Speaker 1: I would say in general, this decade is defined, it

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Speaker 1: is characterized by freedom. So I really want to explore

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Speaker 1: that today, and I really want to encourage people through

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Speaker 1: this podcast, through what I'm going to speak on, to

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Speaker 1: take risks, to embrace being uncomfortable in this decade, to

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Speaker 1: embrace the unknown. I want to talk about why it's

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Speaker 1: absolutely crucial that during this decade we embrace the opportunity

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Speaker 1: of freedom, we embrace the opportunity of being I think,

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Speaker 1: not tied down. We're going to talk about identity, about

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Speaker 1: unbounded versus bounded risk, existential dread as your friend end

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Speaker 1: rather than your enemy, and about regret and how the

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Speaker 1: psychology of regret actually should compel us to take risks

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Speaker 1: rather than avoid them. Like I said, it's just such

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Speaker 1: a pertinent topic for me. It's just so crazy how

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Speaker 1: life works out. You know. The job that I was

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Speaker 1: of got to a point where I realized it wasn't

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Speaker 1: to have amazing conversations with people using this platform, that

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Speaker 1: was my dream. And life changes in an instant and

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Speaker 1: sometimes you need to really have the courage to grasp

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Speaker 1: because of COVID, a lot of us in our twenties

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Speaker 1: And we've had this realization that we've lost valuable years,

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Speaker 1: valuable years of our twenties that we want to make up.

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Speaker 1: And part of that is a reframing of our narrative

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Speaker 1: and our perspective towards our lives to be more risk taking.

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Speaker 1: a huge job that we have to do in this

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Speaker 1: we want from our lives, figuring out our identity, and

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Speaker 1: that doesn't always come easy. I think previously, in past

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting to me to think about the people

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Speaker 1: have who I have made the leap, who have made

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Speaker 1: that those decisions are so valuable during this decade. I

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Speaker 1: reason why our twenties are so formative and so important

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Speaker 1: is it's because when a lot of our identity is established,

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Speaker 1: twenty five. So that early part of our twenties, especially

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Speaker 1: that period is when your brain is still developing, and

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Speaker 1: impact your life. Those decisions, like I said, are not

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Speaker 1: always going to be easy this decade, and I think

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Speaker 1: often some of those decisions will involve risk, and that

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Speaker 1: cost versus benefit. It's something to really consider, especially when

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Speaker 1: risk adverse. Essentially, what this means is that they are

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Speaker 1: this spectrum of risk adverse, risk neutral, and risk positive.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where you sit on this spectrum. Maybe

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Speaker 1: It's just not possible because you're not providing your brain,

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Speaker 1: of existential dread. We've talked about this before, and I

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Speaker 1: know that people will be thinking existential dread is really scary.

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Speaker 1: It's about contemplating our mortality, how we are finite, how

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Speaker 1: an incredible motivator towards taking that risk, taking a leap

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Speaker 1: of faith. We can consider the fact that we are

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Speaker 1: all only on this planet for a limited amount of time,

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Speaker 1: that our purpose is not always provided to us. It's

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Speaker 1: not always easy to understand that death is inevitable, and

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Speaker 1: that realization can be really scary. That's existential dread. And

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Speaker 1: love it. I think there is so much valuable information

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