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Speaker 5: Oh well, hoping that uh that this is going to

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Speaker 5: somehow be therapeutic. Today it is Monday, January twenty seven,

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty, Episode two thirty four of the Anaky Florian podcast.

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Speaker 5: Just a bitter, awful, horrific weekend and the news that

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Speaker 5: Kobe Bryant and several other people are no longer with us.

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Speaker 5: Ray Longo is gonna be with us. Off the top

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Speaker 5: of the show, today, Ken flows in Cardiff, Wales doing

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Speaker 5: a jiu jitsu seminar. He'll be in the UK all

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Speaker 5: week long, so hopefully some of you are listeners over

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Speaker 5: there can can see him, you jiu jitsu practitioners out there.

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Speaker 5: But man, is this heavy today and I could have

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Speaker 5: canceled the show. We thought about doing that. It's really

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Speaker 5: this podcast because Kobe Bryant really meant a lot to

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Speaker 5: so many people. As you continue to see the outpouring

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Speaker 5: Raymond Peter Longo with me off the top today. Ray

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much you followed the NBA or

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Speaker 5: at all, but I feel like if you're any sort

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Speaker 5: and a lot of people across the globe, not just

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Speaker 6: My man.

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Speaker 3: No, obviously, John look at it. If you have to

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Speaker 3: But what a just you know, even you know, when

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Speaker 3: you're a father, you have kids, you have young kids.

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Speaker 3: You know, my kids are a little grown up. But

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Speaker 3: what are just a horrible tragic, you know incident, you know, especially,

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Speaker 3: I mean his daughter was thirteen. She didn't get a

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Speaker 3: you know, still tragic, But I don't know, I got

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Speaker 3: And it's more for the fact that just.

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Speaker 4: How young he was.

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Speaker 3: And you know again I did not know about his

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Speaker 3: We all lose loved ones and it's it's it's horrible,

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Speaker 5: Brian stand texted me this morning and the end of

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Speaker 5: his text said, it's a dark reminder to us all.

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Speaker 5: And I do feel like in some respects it is that,

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Speaker 5: to continue his legacy. Jerry West, the man integral in

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Speaker 5: since he was seventeen years old, you know, called Kobe

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Speaker 3: That's well, that's a great read. If you ever want

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Speaker 5: Musty Well, it's it is. It's to tell my daughters, right.

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Speaker 5: Well, we will certainly let you gloat in his presence

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Speaker 5: in this helicopter crash, and then later word filtered that

435
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Speaker 5: obviously there were nine victims and his daughter, and I

436
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Speaker 5: just I don't even know what to say.

437
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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: You know, we spent a lot of time with long

439
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 5: ago talking about it. This was a pang of sadness

440
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 5: and emotional pain that I just haven't experienced in a

441
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 5: long time. And it's not to say that I haven't

442
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 5: bury loved ones. And I'll never forget the only time

443
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 5: I called in sick to ESPN when my late father

444
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 5: in law, Andrew Cohle, fell down the stairs and passed away,

445
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 5: you know. And there's certain days and times in your

446
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 5: life that are just really sad. And this has nothing

447
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 5: to do with meeting Kobe Bryant in twenty seventeen, right,

448
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 5: But you just feel like you know someone when you

449
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 5: follow their career as intimately as we all did, and

450
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 5: when you love the player and follow the player, and

451
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 5: then if you get a chance to meet the player, great,

452
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Speaker 5: but just a giant of a man, as Jerry West said,

453
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 5: a man for all seasons and man just just a

454
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Speaker 5: tough day and tough hours here for a lot of

455
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Speaker 5: people across the world.

456
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, growing up, I remember watching the draft

457
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 8: when Kobe was drafted to the Charlotte Hornets and then

458
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 8: was then sent to the Lakers afterwards. And it's funny,

459
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 8: you know, when you grow up and you know, watching

460
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 8: him in that first dunk competition, you know, you don't

461
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 8: see guys think he was a rookie when he won it,

462
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, you know, I used.

463
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Speaker 7: To play basketball.

464
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Speaker 8: You start copying his moves, you know, you started drawing

465
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Speaker 8: fouls a little differently. Everything's now like, oh, I want

466
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Speaker 8: to shoot it like Kobe. I want to dunk like Kobe.

467
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Speaker 8: And you know it's not that this not to add

468
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Speaker 8: insult to injury, but the way this happened, it wasn't like.

469
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Speaker 7: He died at age eighty seven, lived his full life.

470
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Speaker 8: You know, age forty one is really you know, it's young,

471
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Speaker 8: and the way it happened is.

472
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Speaker 7: Like super tragic. It's horrific.

473
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Speaker 8: You don't wish that upon your worst enemy, and for

474
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Speaker 8: somebody who had a few bumps in the road in

475
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Speaker 8: the public, you know, with this and then turned it

476
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 8: around and really like you know, tried to make good

477
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 8: and then do so much to inspire so many people,

478
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 8: even beyond his you know ability impact on the game.

479
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 8: It's just it's awful. And you got to feel for

480
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 8: his family. I mean, you know, his wife, you know,

481
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 8: you know it just to wake up this morning obviously,

482
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 8: to have to be a strong mother and have to

483
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Speaker 8: put her feelings to the side for now.

484
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Speaker 7: It it breaks my heart.

485
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Speaker 8: You know, I lost my father a few years ago

486
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Speaker 8: and to you know, to cancer and whatnot, and that

487
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 8: was you know, even though we knew it was coming.

488
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Speaker 8: You know, it doesn't the loss doesn't change, but something

489
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 8: like this is just different. And you know, and even

490
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Speaker 8: to all the other people on the plane as well.

491
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Speaker 8: I don't want to take away from that loss either.

492
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Speaker 8: I know the media kind of went down that direction,

493
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Speaker 8: but yeah, that yesterday was a tough day, man, really sad.

494
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Speaker 5: And for the surviving daughters and of course for Kobe's wife,

495
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 5: inessa right, they got the two little girls and then

496
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Speaker 5: another daughter who's seventeen, who will likely be charged helping

497
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Speaker 5: to raise the two little girls. And man, it's just

498
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 5: so heavy on so many different levels, and just the

499
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: nature of the accident and everything else. It's just really

500
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Speaker 5: really sad. One of our listeners on Instagram at Sliced

501
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 5: Brett wrote, what has made this especially difficult is the

502
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 5: general public has gotten an even closer look at the

503
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 5: individual after he stepped away from the game and let

504
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 5: his guard down. And I think that's a big part

505
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 5: of this is that we all see this version of

506
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 5: Kobe Bryant, the doting dad court side the basketball coach. Right,

507
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 5: it just I don't know, man, cut down too short

508
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 5: doesn't even begin to describe it. And I don't know,

509
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I'm really at a loss for words, truly.

510
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

511
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Speaker 8: Well look, you know, like I said, seeing that and

512
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Speaker 8: you know, seeing that video what was it last week

513
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 8: and went viral of him breaking down the game to

514
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 8: his daughter at the game, you know, it was kind

515
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 8: of like, you know, in a weird way. That last

516
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Speaker 8: thing is his public video was kind of beautiful the way,

517
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Speaker 8: you know, you guy, just the relationship, like you said,

518
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 8: seeing him as the father off the court. So I'm

519
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 8: still in shock, you know, obviously, I never I didn't

520
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 8: know Kobe and have the pleasure of meeting him. He

521
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 8: was a legend, someone I looked up to growing up,

522
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 8: you know, as an athlete.

523
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Speaker 7: And I think I said, just just a terrible tragedy.

524
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Speaker 5: You never know when when any of us is going

525
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 5: to go or be taken from this world, and you

526
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 5: never know how hard something is going.

527
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Speaker 6: To hit you.

528
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Speaker 5: You know, I've experienced so much recent personal loss right

529
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Speaker 5: with our UFC pay per view producer Bruce Connell, our

530
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 5: dear friend and colleague Adam Geller, my former boss at ESPN,

531
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 5: Anthony Moore Mile. You know, some of these names actually

532
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 5: will register with with UFC and MMA fans and our audience,

533
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 5: And I don't know, man. You know, that's one thing

534
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 5: they always say about getting older is that, you know,

535
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 5: you start to lose people in your life. And I

536
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 5: can't believe this is our reality, that Kobe is gone.

537
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 5: But uh, that's the world in which we live. And

538
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 5: in the nature of spinning and forward and trying to

539
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 5: be an outlet for our listeners, let's talk about Curtis

540
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 5: ra Blades. As hard as it was to sit this

541
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 5: morning and sort of focus on MMA, I was able

542
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 5: to watch his main event with you and your Dosantos

543
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 5: it went quite well for Curtis Blades. Your thoughts on

544
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 5: Blaze coming through as a big favorite, and ultimately what

545
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 5: you think this win does for him in the heavyweight division.

546
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 8: I think the fact that he and I was so close,

547
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 8: I said, third round TKO, and then when in the

548
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 8: second round, Now, I think we just saw a growth

549
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 8: and maturity out of what we've been looking for out

550
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 8: of Curtis Blaze against somebody who can change a fight

551
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 8: with one punch in Junior do Santos. His takedown defense

552
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 8: was still good. I think you know that uppercut. Everyone

553
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 8: kept doing the old oh every time Dosantos missed because

554
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 8: it looked like it was this close, and that's the

555
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 8: punch that you know he knocked out with were Doom

556
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 8: and other people. I just think Curtis is figuring out

557
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 8: his identity, you know, and I think the confidence is

558
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 8: huge there. Don't change who you are where the success

559
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 8: the path has been because you're going against a legend

560
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 8: JDS who can change the fight. Right, So he was

561
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 8: really using the jab was working great, as I said,

562
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 8: to set up for takedowns. That thread of that takedown

563
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 8: was phenomenal. His speed was there, and once he got

564
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 8: out of the way of that punch and even ate

565
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 8: one from Junior, he shook it off like all right,

566
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 8: this is nothing.

567
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 7: And Junior just seemed like he was on.

568
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 8: His bike kind of the whole time, not a lot

569
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 8: of real aggressive offense.

570
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 7: I think he was just so worried about being taken down.

571
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Speaker 8: And then in that second round he landed that right

572
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 8: cross in the knees and then he finished, and that

573
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 8: was a big statement. I think finishing Giuliao Santos in

574
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 8: the third round really catapults him to the top, you know, not,

575
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 8: I don't think he's next in line, but I think

576
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 8: that cements him as a top three guy for sure.

577
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 5: I love the killer instinct with those knees, right, I mean,

578
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 5: obviously the right hand was the seminal blow, but to

579
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 5: go in there all vicious and violent with those knees.

580
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 5: He's super agile, right, great frame, I think for this division.

581
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 5: I don't know what he weighs in the two thirties

582
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 5: even less.

583
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's in the two thirty rings.

584
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Speaker 8: And you know what's funny, We've seen a lot of

585
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 8: guys at heavyweight outside of like the rock lesners that

586
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 8: are just super freak athletes.

587
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 7: Came to Alaskas was at his best at what two

588
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 7: thirty five.

589
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 8: You know, they maintained the size is there, their strength

590
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 8: is there, but that speed is such a factor at heavyweight,

591
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 8: and I think that's what makes Curtis very special. Super athletic, fast, big,

592
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 8: and he's putting it all together, I mean, not to

593
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 8: ramp it. When he first came into the UFC, he

594
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 8: was really just a strong wrestler with good ground and pounds.

595
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 8: That striking game, that white Thai game that he's worked

596
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 8: with Bang has really come a long way and it's showing.

597
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 5: It's really you've seen the physical transformation as well. Right

598
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 5: came in Little Podgy obviously for that UFC debut, and

599
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 5: again Francis and Goanner's the only man to beat this

600
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 5: guy Right and he happens to have done so twice,

601
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 5: and that has been a huge obstacle in terms of

602
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 5: a title shot for Curtis Blades. It's interesting to think

603
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 5: that he hasn't realized a title shot at this point

604
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 5: in time when you look at the body of work

605
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 5: and the takedowns. Right needs breakthrough signature wins like this

606
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 5: I understand he likely won't be next right steep A

607
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 5: and DC. Perhaps that trilogy fight will happen, Maybe not

608
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 5: if Steve A has anything to say about it. But

609
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 5: this is a very intriguing contender. You know, I was

610
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 5: taking notes as he was fighting today. It's just a

611
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 5: couple other words like altitude, right, trains at altitude. Obviously

612
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 5: that's a huge feather in his cap. Trains with these

613
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: day one coaches, has a tremendous team around him, and

614
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 5: he's got the attitude right like. I think he's developed

615
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: a mean streak. Certainly people will reference the Overreem fight,

616
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 5: but you certainly saw it this weekend, right, no problem

617
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 5: getting out of there once he hurts you.

618
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 6: So I'm excited to see what he can do.

619
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Speaker 5: I do believe when I watch him that we're looking

620
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 5: live at a future UFC heavyweight champion.

621
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Speaker 6: I really do.

622
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, when he.

623
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 8: Smelled blood in the water, he went for it and

624
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 8: he finished, and I think he saw the opportunity without

625
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 8: being concerned about Junior firing off, you know, one of

626
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 8: those wild hooks and look. I think for him, I

627
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 8: think he hopes that rosen strike beats Francis, because if

628
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 8: he does then Blades will go fight rosen Strike winner

629
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 8: then could truly fight the winner of Steve A versus DC.

630
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 8: Whenever that fight happens. I think Curtis wants to stay

631
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 8: away from Francis. That maybe kryptonite. But I think a

632
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 8: fight against Rosen Strike, if roses Strike can win, is

633
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 8: a awesome matchup for Curtis Blades because you know that

634
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 8: fight will go to the ground and Curtis will have

635
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 8: no problem going back to his wrestling.

636
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 5: Then in Ghanu is gonna be the champion at some point.

637
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 5: It just feels like an eventuality. And if he's the

638
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 5: champion and Blades gets that third fight with him, it's

639
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 5: gonna be an interesting build, right Not always the easiest

640
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 5: promotional build when you have a.

641
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 6: Guy who's lost to one guy twice.

642
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: But I don't know, man, when I'm watching Curtis Blades,

643
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 5: I really believe he's got all the tools. I mean,

644
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: from a competitive standpoint, If Blade is fighting steep A

645
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: next weekend, I'm not saying it's a Pickham fight, per se.

646
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 5: You don't think that's a competitive close fight right now?

647
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 7: Oh? I absolutely do.

648
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 8: I think Listen Steepe was getting you know, beaten decisively

649
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 8: by DC, and then that round that he won the

650
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 8: body shots for landing and he just caught DC at

651
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 8: the right moment. I think that the heavyweight division within

652
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 8: the top four or five guys, any one of them

653
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 8: could beat any one of them, just because of the

654
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 8: stylistic situation here, you know, I think that Curtis Blades

655
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 8: could put Stepe on his back. I think he can

656
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 8: also outstrike him. I think he would be the faster guy.

657
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 8: You know, Stevee obviously is super resilient, has had something,

658
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 8: has overcome a lot of adversity in fights like the

659
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 8: over Roam fight, you know, and I just yeah, man, listen,

660
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 8: I'm good with any one of these guys fighting each other.

661
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 7: I think DC deserves the trilogy fight.

662
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 8: I love that Rose and Strike is getting this fight

663
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 8: against Francis. And I think that Curtis Blade is gonna

664
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 8: sit there and he's gonna really have an interesting couple

665
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 8: of options in the next three months really decide which

666
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 8: way he wants to go. And I just think that

667
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 8: he wants anybody but Francis in the situation, right.

668
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 5: Can you imagine if if Jarzeno Rosen Strike goes into Columbus, Ohio,

669
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 5: on Marll please, and I mean, can you imagine having

670
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 5: what they did in twenty nineteen he go knocks out

671
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 5: that fucking guy.

672
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 7: Can you imagine if he wins and knocks him out.

673
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 8: I then feel for him because then he's going against

674
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 8: a wrestler and Curtis Blades where you know it's coming

675
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 8: to do all that work to just get taken down

676
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 8: and probably beat up on the ground for five rounds

677
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 8: as rough. But I'm really looking forward to that fight

678
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 8: with Rosen strike. He can't be counted out. And I

679
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 8: think this is the first time you're seeing two guys

680
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 8: that we know this fight's.

681
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 7: Not going to the ground.

682
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 8: You know this is gonna be like rock'm soccerm robots

683
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 8: at its best and somebody's going to sleep that over

684
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 8: under probably fifty eight seconds.

685
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 7: At best for the first round. Wow.

686
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 5: Crazy that that's actually still two full months away. But

687
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 5: congrats to Curtis Razor Blades bona fide heavyweight contender. Anything

688
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 5: for us on Junior Dosantos on the other side, certainly,

689
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 5: Daniel Cormier called his fin IQ into question, if you

690
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 5: want to call it that, just in terms of going

691
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 5: back to the well with that upper cut without much

692
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 5: of a setup. Any thoughts on JDS in this heavyweight

693
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: division and what he needs to do to sort of

694
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 5: get back into contention. Did he do an interview with

695
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: DC after the fight? No, he was out of there.

696
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 7: No excuse me, you passed your caugh over to me? No?

697
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 7: He uh he didn't.

698
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 8: You know, I think for JDS, it's just like I said,

699
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 8: at this point in his career, some of these guys

700
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 8: the heavyweight division, these top guys are evolving, whether it's

701
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 8: the power, whether it's the speed. And I said from.

702
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 7: The get go, I know Kenny had JDS because of

703
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 7: the power.

704
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 8: I just think that Curtis is a different type of heavyweight.

705
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 8: We go back to the speed. I think he's very

706
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 8: well rounded. And you know, I think for Junior, if

707
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 8: he is a continuous career in the UFC, I don't

708
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 8: see him ever getting back to a title. As much

709
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 8: as I love the guy, he smiles. If you want

710
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 8: to go watch a clip of him with Dancing with

711
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 8: the Stars, that dude was as happy as a pig,

712
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 8: and shit, it was hilarious. He was really so happy.

713
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 8: Like the over exaggerated dance. He's like, oh it's yeah.

714
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 6: In his wheelhouse, man so in his.

715
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 8: Wheelhouse, and you know, I hate to see him get

716
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 8: ripped apart the way he did. But listen, he may

717
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 8: have to become a gate keeper at this point. You know,

718
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 8: I still think there are some winnable fights. I'd love

719
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 8: to see him fight Derek Lewis at some point, you know,

720
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 8: I think that's a cool stand up.

721
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 7: We'd see happen. And who doesn't want to see Derek

722
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 7: Lewis get a win and get back on that mic.

723
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 6: So I think jadas the main event in wichitav And

724
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 6: I'm not mistaken, not all.

725
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 7: Oh correct, you're right, my my mistake.

726
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm stunned. I remember that honestly.

727
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, you know what a good call. That's a

728
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 7: good call on that one. My apologies.

729
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 8: But I just think that maybe towards the bottom part

730
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 8: of the top ten, it's still competitive for him.

731
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Speaker 7: I think he's going to be a gatekeeper. I don't

732
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 7: know how.

733
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 8: Much more he has left O At DC's point, there

734
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 8: wasn't a whole lot of evolution in that game to

735
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 8: really prepare himself for the new breed of heavyweight per se.

736
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: By the way, you know, I want to cater to

737
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: the audio and the listeners, and not always the video,

738
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 5: but I do love this visual of you, presumably getting

739
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 5: ready to pick up a child. Here in about twenty

740
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: four minutes, I see the sippy in the uh in

741
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: the car seat behind you, and I can roll.

742
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 6: That's gross, world.

743
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 5: That's my daughter's miilt from this morning. I guess I

744
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 5: thought it was water. Now I'm I don't think it's

745
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 5: so cute.

746
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 7: Oh all right, so it's listen, it's an air conditioning card.

747
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 8: Let me ask us if I take a sip of

748
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 8: this right now that the punishment paid off for Kenny.

749
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 6: Can you actually put the spoiled milk can back in the.

750
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 8: It's not spoiled, listen. I pledged fraternities up in all,

751
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 8: but I drank way worse shit than well.

752
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 5: See that's the thing. Like, and you and I both

753
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 5: pledge fraternities. I guarantee that your hazing was was tougher

754
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 5: in mind. Mine had its challenges. But see I wouldn't

755
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: have like ingested a bunch of shit against my will,

756
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 5: right like I had to drink beer and do some

757
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 5: really unpleasant things. But if I was told to like

758
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 5: drink and these are things that I know people have done,

759
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 5: right like drink a bottle of chilled soy sauce like

760
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 5: as fast as I can, like fuck off, Like, oh, here's.

761
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 6: This bowl of mayo.

762
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 5: It's like I, actually, I'll just see myself out of

763
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 5: your fraternity house and go find another place to go party. Right,

764
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 5: So they would get us to the brink, but never

765
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: stuff that was just so absurd that you wouldn't do it.

766
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 7: You know, mine was pretty absurd.

767
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 8: I honestly did things because I was so afraid of

768
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 8: what would happen if I did try to leave. And

769
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 8: like there were guys that were literally like I obviously.

770
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 7: I'm not a big guy.

771
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 8: You see me having five to seven I was probably

772
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 8: one hundred and twenty pounds soaking wet freshman year in

773
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 8: college when I did this.

774
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you're and these dudes, Yeah, no, I was

775
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 7: a wrestler.

776
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 8: But some of these guys were state champion wrestlers and

777
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 8: they weigh two thirty. They were all on steroids. They

778
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 8: were definitely all yoked up before they came into the basement.

779
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 8: You know, yeah, listen, you know it just yeah, they

780
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 8: tell you to line up, and you gotta you know,

781
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 8: and you know, like I uh, one time.

782
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 7: They said either you you. I think it was eat

783
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 7: a bowl.

784
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 8: Of may or drink someone's bomb water, and I'm a

785
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 8: bad vomit guy. Dude, dude, I've taken you know what

786
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 8: I used to when I used to smoke weed. I've

787
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 8: definitely thrown up from bong hits. So when I smelled

788
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 8: the water and I gagged, I said, what's my other option?

789
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 7: The guy goes. The guy goes, I'll.

790
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 8: Put you on my dog cage and I'll treat you

791
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 8: like one of my dogs. And I was like, oh,

792
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 8: I'll go in a dog cage. And then he kicked

793
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 8: it down like seven step while I was in a cage,

794
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 8: and I was kind of like, when I got to

795
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 8: the bottom of this, I go, Man, if there wasn't

796
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 8: like three weeks left, I probably would have like lost it.

797
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 7: But yeah, that stuff's gross.

798
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 8: But I listen, I definitely ate some stuff, drank some

799
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 8: stuff to like save us.

800
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 7: From having a two more.

801
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 8: I was the hero, was like, yeah, I'll eat that

802
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 8: six week old grilled cheese you found in the couch, because.

803
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 7: The minute I ate it, I would turn around just

804
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 7: fucking cuke it. While you're throwing up. They leave you alone.

805
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just if you chug the bong line and

806
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 5: spit it all out or whatever you gotta do. But uh,

807
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 5: this content is free, ladies and gentlemen. By the way,

808
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 5: one day, if if you're interested, it's all free.

809
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 7: Try the deal.

810
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 5: Michael Kissa, The Ultimate Fighter lives Michael Kissa, and by

811
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 5: the way, here Toofore, when Bruce Buffer introduces him, he's

812
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 5: not gonna say the Ultimate Fighter Season fifteen winner. No,

813
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 5: it was not Season fifteen. It was the Ultimate Fighter live.

814
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 5: It was the only live season. It was the most

815
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 5: treacherous season for those athletes. And here is Michael Kissa

816
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty, a bona fide welterweight contender, realizing success

817
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: in the weight class he should have been competing in

818
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 5: for a long time, and now he gets a win

819
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 5: over a still game Halfayel dos Angos. Certainly, if you're

820
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 5: looking at the biggest winners over the weekend, Michael Kiasa's

821
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 5: front and center for me.

822
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 6: Kidd.

823
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, So when Kenny and I did this breakdown, I

824
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 8: pretty much said that he's gonna be the much larger guy.

825
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 8: Halfael dos Santos, I'm sorry, Dosanjo sorry, does not have

826
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 8: the best takedown defense.

827
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 7: And also Cardio wise.

828
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 8: We sometimes see him fade later in the rounds, and

829
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 8: Kiasa just doesn't stop, you know, very similar to like

830
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 8: a Kolby Covington, but with not as good of hands.

831
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 8: You know, he just doesn't stop. And I felt like

832
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 8: if he could make this dirty against the cage literally,

833
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 8: I said, he could put his left leg in, sit

834
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 8: against the cage, ride the back. He almost had the

835
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 8: submission when he flattened Hi out in round one. That's

836
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 8: exactly how I saw the fight going. I didn't think

837
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 8: that RDA was gonna knock him out or land because

838
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 8: Kisa fights very smart.

839
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 7: He knows he's not a good boxer.

840
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 8: You know, those punches he throws, he throws them with

841
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 8: caution even to set up to take down.

842
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 7: But he also has such a good.

843
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 8: Strong reach most of the time that when he gets popped,

844
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 8: by the time these guys actually reach his chin, the

845
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 8: power is really not there he's getting you know. So

846
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 8: for Kiasa, this was a really if anyone the top

847
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 8: five or top seven to take on and being underdog,

848
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 8: I thought this was a good matchup for him.

849
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 7: I really thought he was gonna take advantage of the

850
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 7: ground game and uh man, that pacey set I love

851
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 7: the exit interview, bold call out.

852
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 8: You know that's gonna be a you know, that's a crazy,

853
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 8: crazy grappling match, but great win for him. And by

854
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 8: the way, it's funny you mentioned the Live Ultimate Fighter.

855
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 8: To this day, I remember the best bet I think

856
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 8: I made it an mm A was Alia Quinn to

857
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 8: underdog to Miles Jerry. He was plus two twenty five

858
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 8: and I was like, holy shit, I could bet on

859
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 8: the Ultimate Fighter, Let's go.

860
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 5: That was really the first time I remember James Vick

861
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 5: ended up placing a big bet on Michael Kisa against

862
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 5: Ali Quinton the final because James I had just finished

863
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 5: competing on the season. They were all broken down, but

864
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 5: physically Iya Quinta was limping around the palms, could barely walk,

865
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: and it was a nice hit by James Vick went

866
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 5: when Kisa was the underdog against Ie Quinta in that

867
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 5: tough Live final.

868
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 8: But yeah, it does it blow your mind that Kisa

869
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 8: used to really make fifty five because I swear he

870
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 8: weighed like but what they say one ninety three in

871
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 8: the cage that night, this past Saturday night.

872
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 5: For me, it's a long line of these guys that

873
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 5: stare death in the face to make that weight class

874
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 5: and just next to no body fat and just really

875
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 5: just sad state of affairs that it happens as often

876
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 5: as it does. But I think we're trending in the

877
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: right direction. When we sit down in our fighter meetings

878
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 5: on Thursday, we're sitting across from a lot of guys

879
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 5: who are competing at their natural weight class and sometimes

880
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 5: doesn't work out in their favor and they're inclined to

881
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 5: move down. But I digress. But yeah, Kisa welterweight, I

882
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 5: think can be a real problem. You say, you know

883
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 5: he knows he's not a good boxer, and I do

884
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 5: agree there are limitations to his stand up game. Are

885
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 5: you saying there's a definite ceiling to Kisa and welterwaite

886
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 5: and that you don't necessarily like him against guys like

887
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 5: Covington and Ousman and Mosfeedal and everybody else, or what.

888
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 8: I think it's for him, it's gotta really be the

889
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 8: right matchup. You know, if he goes against someone that

890
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 8: has great takedown defense and has the cardio, he's gonna

891
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 8: have to stand up and fight, and his stand up,

892
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 8: his whole stand up is to set up the grappling game,

893
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 8: and if he can't get to the fight to the ground,

894
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 8: I don't know how many guys could truly out box.

895
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 8: I'm not saying it can't get better, you know, I

896
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 8: think that he has to. I don't know who he

897
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 8: trains with sparring wise and just boxing. You know, sometimes

898
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 8: when these guys get to a certain level, they don't

899
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 8: get the right guy standing opposite side of them. But

900
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 8: in a fight against someone like Ousman, I do not

901
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 8: see him winning that fight.

902
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 7: I don't think he's gonna overpower Usman.

903
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 8: You know, Kabari is one of the bigger, you know,

904
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 8: guys in that weight class as well, you know, and

905
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 8: he will have better boxing than Kisa, So you know,

906
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 8: it's I think it's something he has to really look at.

907
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 8: I think this dials really gonna make the matchup. Like

908
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 8: if he were to fight maybe Nate Diaz at one seventy,

909
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 8: you know, Nate throws a lot of output, not a

910
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 8: ton of power.

911
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 7: I think Kisa could have success against Nate.

912
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 8: Diaz, and you know it because he just again, he'd

913
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 8: have the size and Nate's really a fifty fiver.

914
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 7: You know that. That's kind of where I'm at with Kisa.

915
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 8: I think, listen, he did absolutely beautiful work Saturday night.

916
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 7: You couldn't have asked him for a better performance.

917
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 8: He was happy, he was healthy, and the way he

918
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 8: did it executed the game plan. I don't know past

919
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 8: this point if that game plan is going to work

920
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 8: against anybody else, though.

921
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 5: Well, I always like betting on the Cardio guy, and

922
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: he is certainly that. You saw how fresh he was

923
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 5: after second round. And it's interesting when he talks about

924
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 5: a potential fight with Kobe Covington in July, because you're

925
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: sort of calling out the consummate Cardio guy, and if

926
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 5: that were a three round non main event, that would

927
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 5: feel like fifteen minutes would just rip off the clock

928
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 5: between those guys potentially, But we'll see what they do.

929
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 5: I mean, he's put himself in prime position here in

930
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 5: the welterweight division, and certainly I got to spend I

931
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 5: shall place in my hot for all those Ultimate Fighter

932
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: Live guys. So very happy to see Kiesa start to

933
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 5: realize a little bit of welterweight greatness here. Obviously, I

934
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 5: ha Quinta fighting Kabibe was a big moment for that

935
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 5: Live season's cast. But we'll see how far Kisa can

936
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: take this thing. But good head coach, good team and

937
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: happy for Team Kiessa. Anything else for us on the

938
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 5: UFC Raleigh card Angela Hill, you gotta feel good for her.

939
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 5: Domina Cruz has always said that he feels like she

940
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 5: among all the litany of women at Alliance MMA that

941
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 5: have been there over the years, whether it's Kats than

942
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 5: Ghana or Beck Rawlings, Lauren Mueller, Lauren Murphy, I believe

943
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 5: it's I know Laura Murphy wasn't there, but maybe she was,

944
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 5: a lot of different women have been under that roof.

945
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 5: Angela Hill, he believed showed the most potential and starting

946
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: to realize it staying active. There have been short notice fights,

947
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 5: but big, big finish over a very tough hann Of Ciphers.

948
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 5: I wanted to shout out, Angela Hill, you got anything

949
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 5: else for us? On North Carolina?

950
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 6: My men?

951
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 8: I mean Trevor Witman said it best against Angela Hill,

952
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 8: and everyone said it from day one. You know she's

953
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 8: got the athletic ability, the strikings there. It's just more

954
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 8: about finding what works best for her. And even in

955
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 8: this fight it against Hannah cipherst remember what I said,

956
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 8: don't let it be a brawl keep the distance, utilize

957
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 8: your striking.

958
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 7: And what was surprising and.

959
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 8: Impressive was the way that she instead of when she

960
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 8: did the klanch thrown a knee which Hannah expected, she

961
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 8: then used it to sweep and landed in a great

962
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 8: position which was to finish.

963
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 7: Seeing her finish, Hannaho, Hannah.

964
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 8: Is tough seeing it be because of a takedown and

965
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 8: on the ground, I think, listen, Angela Hill's got She's

966
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 8: got a lot of potential, you know. I think again

967
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 8: to to come down to certain matchups. If she goes

968
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 8: against strikers, she's got a great shot against somebody who

969
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 8: had is fully well rounded top to bottom.

970
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 7: I still think she'll have trouble. But listen, she phenomenal win.

971
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 7: She finished. Can't really ask her anything more out of

972
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 7: her and in that fight.

973
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 5: Was great, certainly starting to find her style and just

974
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 5: happy for a good egg. Angela Hill with a big

975
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 5: win over the weekend in the strawweight division. All right,

976
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 5: before we let you fly by man, So we didn't

977
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 5: get your thoughts on Connor McGregor a week ago, so

978
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: don't necessarily need any thoughts on the performance unless you

979
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 5: have them. But give me the shortened sweet on who

980
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 5: might be next. How realistic you think the Mosfeedal fight

981
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 5: is the calendar, which is a big part of this

982
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 5: equation as well. When do we see Connor McGregor and

983
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 5: who do they lock that door behind him with.

984
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 7: I think scheduling is going to be everything right now.

985
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 8: I actually liked it he said that the Habib fight

986
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 8: will always be there.

987
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 7: I agree. If Hibeeb fights wins, then you have Robin on.

988
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 8: Connor doesn't want to wait till what see he's at

989
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 8: September or something like that, if I'm.

990
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 7: Correct, I honestly think that a fight against.

991
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 8: Masvidal or Uspin is the way to go, you know,

992
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 8: because whether or not, if he loses any one of

993
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 8: those fights, we still have that Nate Diaz trilogy waiting

994
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 8: for us whatever we want it, you know, And that's

995
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 8: what Connor did by setting this up. You know, it

996
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 8: depends on what Connor wants. Does he won a title

997
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 8: at one seventy? Does he see the style of Kamora Usman?

998
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 8: Is he I really think the best fight for him

999
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 8: right now is gonna be Mazwdal because that fight won't

1000
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 8: go to the ground. That will be a striking fight,

1001
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 8: and you know, a stand up fight and listen. One

1002
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 8: thing Connor shows us. The man could keep that fight standing.

1003
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 8: He could beat anybody.

1004
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 7: You know.

1005
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 8: And I have been very hard on Connor McGregor on

1006
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 8: an overall standpoint in regards to you know who he's

1007
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 8: fought matchup style wise, and people talk about Justin Gaechie.

1008
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 8: You know, the thing is Geegee doesn't utilize as wrestling

1009
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 8: at all. If he did, I think he'd be a

1010
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 8: very dangerous opponent for Connor. But I think the fight

1011
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 8: with Masvidoal is probably what happens next. I think Mazvedoal

1012
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 8: wants money over Kamar Usman. Is Usman injured? I know

1013
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 8: that was a rumor that came.

1014
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 7: Up, but he he kind of disputed that. I don't know, no,

1015
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 7: I know he just competed it.

1016
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think he was saying a cast if

1017
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken. But let's also not for that he

1018
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 5: had the surgery after the Woodly fight, competed last month

1019
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 5: in a five round near five round, just growing. I mean,

1020
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 5: get him timing and you got to go pick up

1021
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: your kid anyway, don't you.

1022
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 7: I got I got some time.

1023
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 8: If listen, if you're gonna throw enough money at Usman,

1024
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 8: he'll he'll heal up real quick.

1025
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 7: For Connor, oh, I think they do.

1026
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 5: Aljamer Sterling, sorry to cut you up, but sort of

1027
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 5: had this cryptic tweet right about, oh I might be

1028
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 5: back sooner than expected, and Longo was sort of trying

1029
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: to break some news without breaking news on the show today, right.

1030
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 5: But Yeah, certainly guys can be incentivized, whether it's a

1031
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 5: financial thing or a main event or money or you know, opponent,

1032
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 5: whatever it is, they can be coaxed into coming back

1033
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 5: sooner than his ideal.

1034
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 6: And certainly for Usman.

1035
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 8: I mean, listen, if you're Kabara Usman, they say, hey,

1036
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 8: we're gonna give you Connor an eight minutes.

1037
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 7: You're good. Fuck.

1038
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's getting up off the couch and he's going

1039
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 8: into the gym. However, I do think the masvid All

1040
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 8: fight is gonna be what happens would it be?

1041
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 7: When I don't know?

1042
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 8: I think that's the fight to make you know, a

1043
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 8: lot of people if I don't, If you don't mind

1044
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 8: me addressing this real quick, A lot of people forget

1045
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 8: the whole fix thing.

1046
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 7: That shit wasn't fixed.

1047
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 8: If you watch that fight closely enough, when boy ducks

1048
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 8: that left cross a thigh of Connor hits him right

1049
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 8: in the face, threw Cowboy off those shoulders strikes added.

1050
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 8: Cowboy never recovered the kick was there. Connor implemented his

1051
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 8: game plan whatever. I just think that right now people

1052
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 8: should give Connor the credit. He beat Cowboy in forty seconds,

1053
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 8: regardless of whether you think Cowboys washed up.

1054
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 7: However you want to call it crazy, Connor did the

1055
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 7: right thing.

1056
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 8: He did it showed the respect. I love this Connor.

1057
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 8: I love this humble, respectful Connor. He could sell fights

1058
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 8: without being an asshole. You know, It's kind of nice

1059
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 8: to see. But like I said, I think the Masvedaal

1060
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 8: fight is what we get next. I think both of

1061
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 8: them wanted the two biggest stars right now, and like

1062
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 8: I said, I think it's a even if Connor loses,

1063
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 8: he still has a Nate fight. I think we speak

1064
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 8: for everyone where we want that trilogy to happen before

1065
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 8: both guys retire.

1066
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 7: Regardless.

1067
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 5: I just want the turn and burn. I want the

1068
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 5: quick turn for McGregor. I want the fighting season to continue.

1069
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 5: But uh, I know it's five options for Connor McGregor

1070
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 5: and we got to get out of here. Thanks to

1071
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 5: everyone out there listen watching the show helping us get

1072
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 5: the word out. The new YouTube channel is live and

1073
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 5: we are back with you full force. Next Monday, February,

1074
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 5: the third Ken Flow is back. Full preview predictions for

1075
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 5: UFC two forty seven Jones Versus Rays that is coming

1076
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 5: up Saturday, February eighth from Houston, Texas live on pay

1077
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 5: per view with Afriyan Parker, Ray Longo, TJ. DeSantis, Mike Heck,

1078
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 5: John Ansan. So long for now. We will talk to

1079
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Speaker 5: you in less than seven days. Until then, be well,

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Speaker 5: be healthy, be safe out there, don't text and drive viewing.

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Speaker 8: Sports betting is sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus, and.

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Speaker 2: Wagering Week is your antidote.

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Speaker 8: I'm Tom Martin, and I'm a veteran sports analyst and

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Speaker 8: respected sports handicapper.

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Speaker 7: Who will help build ESPN's brand. I've been recognized and.

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Speaker 2: Awarded by Pro Football Weekly.

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Speaker 7: And Gaming Today Magazine as the honest handicapper.

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Speaker 8: Let the other guys give you the same old, boring

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Speaker 8: sports dock with the same tired storylines. I'll give it

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Speaker 8: to you straight here every Friday on Wagering Week. Don't

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Speaker 8: gamble with other podcasts, let Sportscard Network's Wagering Week help

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Speaker 8: your bottom line