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Speaker 2: Okay With that being said, Dan, what are we talking
Speaker 2: about today?
Speaker 4: So we're talking? I mean you've seen the title. It's
Speaker 4: the PAC twelve Autopsy Show. We've done sec AC in
Speaker 4: Big twelve, so now we just have the Big ten.
Speaker 4: In terms of Power five conferences, I'd like to do
Speaker 4: some group of five as well, but today's PAC twelve.
Speaker 4: We have Bruce Feldman, who has been on this show
Speaker 4: for basically as long as the show has existed. Yep,
Speaker 4: a good friend of the show. And before we get
Speaker 4: into that though, I just want to bounce things off
Speaker 4: of each other, please, with regard to where the PAC
Speaker 4: twelve not as much. I talked about this with Bruce
Speaker 4: a little bit. The end of it, the perception of
Speaker 4: the conference and all of the like, everything is crumbling,
Speaker 4: it's falling apart, the Roman Empire. Now to you off
Speaker 4: season stories, the way that you look back on how
Speaker 4: the PAC twelve season ended, the way you feel about
Speaker 4: things as you look way into the future about the
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen season for the PAC twelve. Is it just
Speaker 4: USC and upheaval there that's defining the moment? What else
Speaker 4: stands out to you?
Speaker 1: I think in light of what we saw on the
Speaker 1: recruiting trail, I'm very intrigued for the next chapter of
Speaker 1: the Chip Kelly era at UCLA. Ucla did not set
Speaker 1: the world on fire, had moments from a recruiting standpoint,
Speaker 1: I'm talking correct, Yes, yeah, did not set the world
Speaker 1: on fire there. I am way more interested, I think
Speaker 1: in what I see as turmoil with a few teams
Speaker 1: in the South. Not that I'm not interested in where
Speaker 1: Washington State goes now, and certainly Washington and Oregon, who
Speaker 1: I think could have a really good year, But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm interested in USC that next chapter. As you mentioned,
Speaker 1: what happens at usc UCLA, What is the next chapter
Speaker 1: for them? Colorado's got a new coach in mel Tucker.
Speaker 1: We talked about mel Tucker a couple shows ago. Brandon
Speaker 1: Huffman talked about how he thought that was actually a
Speaker 1: really good fit. It looked like it was working out well.
Speaker 1: And then you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I'm just real curious to know how Utah is going
Speaker 1: to manage to win nine games again, sure, and defy
Speaker 1: the odds despite I know, come August, we're going to
Speaker 1: look at you on say yeah they're seven and five team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'll be wrong like we are every every
Speaker 4: year they win nine games. I in my mind, UCLA
Speaker 4: is incredibly intriguing, not necessarily in the short term, but like,
Speaker 4: and you're you are in this business. You're quite literally
Speaker 4: in the business of when when a website gets redesigned,
Speaker 4: an app gets redesigned. Sorry excuse me, you are in
Speaker 4: the information technology business.
Speaker 2: You said that was better?
Speaker 4: That was better? Yes, when a website gets completely overhauled
Speaker 4: and redesigned, or a new operating system comes out, what happens.
Speaker 4: Everybody hates it, right, I was like, oh, this, where's
Speaker 4: Where's the menu, where's the and then a week later,
Speaker 4: two weeks later, it's either real still really bad, or
Speaker 4: people just get used to it, people just move on.
Speaker 4: I'm curious both as it relates to Chip Kelly and
Speaker 4: his career and his legacy as a college coach. And
Speaker 4: for UCLA what this whatever it is two point oh
Speaker 4: three point oh four point zero, redesign, reboot, refresh, What
Speaker 4: we end up thinking about at the end of twenty
Speaker 4: nineteen with it isn't that is incredibly intriguing to me.
Speaker 4: The USC turmoil upheaval, that's all well documented. I'm genuinely
Speaker 4: excited to see what their offense evolves into. With Graham
Speaker 4: Harrell the Arizona Schools. Is Kalil tap good again? What
Speaker 4: does ASU look like in your two of herm without
Speaker 4: Todd Graham? Guys, how deep are they really? Even though
Speaker 4: he has recruited pretty well. The melt Tucker thing is
Speaker 4: interesting to me, and you mentioned Brandon Huffman. Melt Tucker,
Speaker 4: I believe is the one new PAC twelve coach, and
Speaker 4: I think I am more excited than I am skeptical
Speaker 4: of him. But I'd like to see what they look
Speaker 4: like on the recruiting trail and how much they go
Speaker 4: about doing things in an even slightly unorthodox way. I
Speaker 4: would have loved for Colorado to have hired the Princeton
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator who ended up at Oklahoma State. Like I
Speaker 4: felt like that out of the box hire would have
Speaker 4: been really nice at Colorado because there it really doesn't
Speaker 4: seem like they're gonna be able to pull in top
Speaker 4: twenty classes, but it's a great place to go to school,
Speaker 4: and it's a picturesque experience in Boulder. I'm curious about
Speaker 4: that Utah. I don't think there's anything new to wonder
Speaker 4: about with Utah. The Utah's Utah under Kyle Winningham.
Speaker 1: I just look at this and I see a tale
Speaker 1: of two cities, with the North being the sim city
Speaker 1: with the cool arcologies, you know, and things are bright
Speaker 1: and sunny and looking up, and the South being just
Speaker 1: maybe that side that's going to have a tornado.
Speaker 4: Or the disasters are turned up to ten. A high
Speaker 4: crime rate in that area, it's just a rioting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot going on in the South that I
Speaker 1: think makes it more interesting on the surface.
Speaker 4: With Utah, just like Yep, they have a rent controlled
Speaker 4: building and things are going pretty well. Ye people are
Speaker 4: paying the rent. It's a nice little courtyard up north. Though.
Speaker 4: I'm in for sure optimistic about Oregon, but I am
Speaker 4: also very much in prove it mode. You tell me
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert's a top five pick. You tell me they've
Speaker 4: recruited super well. I saw what they looked like on
Speaker 4: the road last year. I am show me, prove it.
Speaker 4: Let's see it. Washington should once again be very good.
Speaker 4: Wazoo is the most fun wild card in the conference.
Speaker 4: And I'm worried Stanford is trending downward a little bit.
Speaker 4: I have some worry about that, But otherwise, I think
Speaker 4: in terms of variability, in terms of storylines, as we've
Speaker 4: seen year in and year out when we had the
Speaker 4: Big Twelve, sky is falling. They're going down to ten teams.
Speaker 4: They can't attract anybody to join the conference, and the
Speaker 4: only teams they can attract are from the AAC or
Speaker 4: from whatever conference that really isn't a huge market or
Speaker 4: a huge athletic program. And then suddenly they make the playoff,
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield goes number one on They're all coaching and over,
Speaker 4: and the Big Twelve becomes the most entertaining conference in
Speaker 4: college football. So what it tells me. It's not necessarily
Speaker 4: that it's cyclical. It's just hard to stay depressing for
Speaker 4: very long. In college football, things can.
Speaker 2: Change very quickly. Yeah, can change very very quickly.
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Speaker 1: On that note, Daniel did an interview with our good
Speaker 1: friend Bruce Felman from The Athletic in Fox Sports.
Speaker 4: Have a listen.
Speaker 2: We'll pick it up on the flip side.
Speaker 4: And with that we now bring in our long, long time,
Speaker 4: dear dear friend Bruce Feldman from the Athletic and from
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Speaker 4: Are you in any other mediums right now?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: That is it.
Speaker 3: You've covered my whole profile so great.
Speaker 4: I am glad to have done it. Here's my question
Speaker 4: before we start in with the PAC twelve teams. In
Speaker 4: our PAC twelve autopsy, a story came out that Larry
Speaker 4: Scott is staying in a seventy five, one hundred dollars
Speaker 4: a night suite in Las Vegas for the PAC twelve tournament.
Speaker 4: I have no idea how true any of these numbers are.
Speaker 4: What is the nicest hotel room you have ever stayed in?
Speaker 4: As somebody who is constantly in hotel rooms.
Speaker 3: You know, it's actually in the Vegas area. Okay, I
Speaker 3: had some buddies who had a hookup in like a
Speaker 3: Green Valley Ranch or Green Valley.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like Henderson, Nevada.
Speaker 3: It is in Henderson, Nevada. And you know, I think
Speaker 3: we had like eight flat screen TVs in the in
Speaker 3: the place it was. We got a deal and we
Speaker 3: got a deal for like five ninety nine at night,
Speaker 3: and that was a deal. I was like, wait, and
Speaker 3: this was I don't know, this is fifteen years ago
Speaker 3: or so, but it was an outrageously nice setup we
Speaker 3: had at that point that would be the nicest in
Speaker 3: terms of in terms of on the road with Fox.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, we did a big, big,
Speaker 3: Big twelve title game. We stayed at the Four Seasons
Speaker 3: maybe in Las Colinas, And when we were there, it
Speaker 3: was the same time the Redskins were playing the Cowboys
Speaker 3: on a Thursday night game and they were the Redskins
Speaker 3: were staying it hotel. It was a pretty awesome set
Speaker 3: up there, But again I would go with the one
Speaker 3: in Vegas that really really popped.
Speaker 4: What's the number one amenity you need? Is it a gym?
Speaker 4: Is it you know high water pressure? Is it a
Speaker 4: super comfortable bed, dependable Wi Fi? What is the one
Speaker 4: atop all amenity mountains?
Speaker 3: Oh? That's good. I would say a great gym really
Speaker 3: stands out. Our TV crew last year we would we
Speaker 3: would joke with the fittest crew in college football show.
Speaker 3: We would we love a couple of places we had
Speaker 3: that had like real big gyms and and set ups
Speaker 3: as the postig. Remember we had the Apple Cup and
Speaker 3: there were three of us in the in the workout room,
Speaker 3: which was like literally like a closet any place else,
Speaker 3: and so where you'd have to like stretch outside in
Speaker 3: the hall or outside literally while other people were like
Speaker 3: on the one elliptical. So I would say, probably Jim,
Speaker 3: that's that's the number one thing.
Speaker 4: This is you Joe Davis and Brady Quinn. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 4: now I can see that. I don't know who which
Speaker 4: crew would rival that. I'm trying to think of, like
Speaker 4: former linebackers that are in crazy shape. Chris Pielman is not. No,
Speaker 4: I think that's probably herb Street and Fowler is not bad.
Speaker 3: No, But I mean, like right now, Brady's still in
Speaker 3: pretty ridiculous shape. He looks like an NFL tight end.
Speaker 3: Mar'ting that many any analysts who are in that shape.
Speaker 3: Joe is young. I mean, Joe is like. I don't
Speaker 3: say it's half the age of Chris, because Chris is
Speaker 3: in really good shape, whether he's you know, thirty five
Speaker 3: or you know, fifty, but you know, Joe is like
Speaker 3: thirty one years old. So you know, I think we
Speaker 3: all are like huge workout people. So I think that's
Speaker 3: part of it. I'm probably dragging the dragging down that curve.
Speaker 3: But I did want to play basketball against Maria Taylor
Speaker 3: at TCU one day. She's there sideline.
Speaker 4: How'd you do Marie?
Speaker 3: It was a college athlete, she was sports there. I
Speaker 3: do remember, like, you know, her trying to post us.
Speaker 3: It's like, you need to get out of here. This
Speaker 3: is embarrassed.
Speaker 2: Wow. I like it.
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to football before you talk about
Speaker 4: embarrassing basketball stories. Give me a number between one and twelve.
Speaker 4: We will attack this randomly, and so I don't select teams.
Speaker 4: I want to talk about more than others and you
Speaker 4: do the same number between one and twelve.
Speaker 3: First number is eight.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're talking Stanford. Stanford, they have a lot to
Speaker 4: replace both with their offensive skill. I think the top
Speaker 4: three or four pass catchers gone new offensive coordinator that
Speaker 4: makes us all feel very old and Tavita Prichard, and
Speaker 4: I think they're replacing a lot on the back half
Speaker 4: of their defense. Question to you is, do you think
Speaker 4: kJ Costello is good enough to will this offense forward?
Speaker 4: I think I do? Do you?
Speaker 3: I do? We We did have done a couple of
Speaker 3: kJ Costello games. I'm a believer in him. You're right,
Speaker 3: they did lose some really good skill guys. The offensive line,
Speaker 3: which has some talent. You know, is the first year
Speaker 3: in the post Mike won Boom gern Era. I know
Speaker 3: a lot of people like Kevin Carberry. He's a Bill
Speaker 3: Callahan disciple that worked with in the NFL. He's the
Speaker 3: a line coach. I think they have talent there. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure to me they I don't want to get
Speaker 3: ahead of your script here, but I should think they're
Speaker 3: probably the third best team in the division. Ok. Costello notwithstanding,
Speaker 3: I think kJ Coussel is actually as good as any
Speaker 3: quarterback will be in the conference.
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, give me a number, another number between
Speaker 4: one and twelve, just not eight twelve, all right? Number
Speaker 4: twelve is Washington States. And they looked awesome last year
Speaker 4: and that was that was the grad transfer quarterback, a
Speaker 4: total new look coaching staff, replacing a bunch of big
Speaker 4: deal guys on both sides of the ball. Has Washington
Speaker 4: State reached the point where anything less than say, nine
Speaker 4: wins is a disappointment, especially in this version of the
Speaker 4: PAC twelve.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be, though, I mean, I would say anything
Speaker 3: less than eight wins should probably a disappointment. A nine
Speaker 3: wins is I mean, remember they won nine games in
Speaker 3: the whole four year Paul Woolf lun So, I think
Speaker 3: you got to be realistic. I think last year was
Speaker 3: somewhat of an aberration. They never won eleven games until
Speaker 3: last year. I think a lot of that was on
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew and kind of the magic quorra he brought
Speaker 3: to them. He's talented, and I thought he just reached
Speaker 3: and told me. I think before the Apple Cups he's
Speaker 3: the best leader we've ever had at a quarterback. And
Speaker 3: that included his time at Texas Tech. So the receivers
Speaker 3: are still really good. I think Max Borgy is going
Speaker 3: to be a really good player. For them to obviously
Speaker 3: lose Andre Dillard, who's their best offensive lineman, I think
Speaker 3: it's going to hurt them as much as anything. They're
Speaker 3: losing Peyton Paloor, who is a really good college player
Speaker 3: in the middle of that defense. I look at them
Speaker 3: and think they're going to be probably a seven or
Speaker 3: eight win team. I think Stanford, Oregon and Washington are better.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, Washington whipped them ever since Chris Peterson's
Speaker 3: got in the conference. Leach was four and one last
Speaker 3: year and games decided by six points. Sometimes that swings
Speaker 3: swings the other way. You know. I think the road
Speaker 3: schedule is not n easy. They got to go, you know,
Speaker 3: even those teams that I mentioned. And by the way,
Speaker 3: Cal has held them to less than ten points a
Speaker 3: game since Justin Wilcox has been the head coach though
Speaker 3: last two years. Yeah, So I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 3: I looked at the over under on the seat and
Speaker 3: win total, and I don't think Washington State's gonna I
Speaker 3: think they're gonna take a little.
Speaker 4: Bit here, all right, A number between one through twelve,
Speaker 4: not number twelve or number eight, number one, number one,
Speaker 4: Let's talk USC. See we waited till the third team
Speaker 4: to talk USC. That's how democratic this is. And after
Speaker 4: last year ended and with how the offseason has gone,
Speaker 4: is there a sense that USC's twenty nineteen potential is
Speaker 4: maybe the word is capped or is there hope USC
Speaker 4: can almost overachieve with a downpack twelve and still a
Speaker 4: considerable talent advantage most of the time.
Speaker 3: If you're USC, overachieving is going to the playoff in
Speaker 3: this case, Okay, I mean, I know they won five games,
Speaker 3: but you still have better talent than anybody in your
Speaker 3: division at least. And they have three young players in
Speaker 3: there at all three levels on the defense who I know?
Speaker 3: You know people? I was at the up all combat
Speaker 3: two weeks ago and there are three guys were mentioned.
Speaker 3: They're all like freshman or last year. They have talent.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to see how the Graham Herald transition without
Speaker 3: a Lion coach, full line coach, who is you know
Speaker 3: he brought or has familiarity in the scheme they have.
Speaker 3: They have really good receivers. Their offensive line has been disappointing.
Speaker 3: I think they will be better with the Graham Herald there,
Speaker 3: but I and they'll have more of an identity. But
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to be more than
Speaker 3: an eight win team. Do you look at that first
Speaker 3: six games they have, it's rough. And if they're three
Speaker 3: and three and there's a blowout or two in there,
Speaker 3: which is entirely possible, and you look who they play,
Speaker 3: they can pull the plug on Clay help and try
Speaker 3: to get a head start on the coaching search. So
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not optimistic. I think I think
Speaker 3: eight to four is probably about as high as I'll
Speaker 3: go with that group.
Speaker 4: Is their belief do you think among the players in
Speaker 4: this coaching staff, obviously externally fans administrators, the belief is
Speaker 4: sort of wavering in the Clay Hilton staff. But do
Speaker 4: the players still buy in?
Speaker 3: Uh, that's a great question. I don't know what the
Speaker 3: real answer on that is. I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 3: I mean, from what I had heard before the start
Speaker 3: of spring spring football was that they had that some
Speaker 3: of the kind of message board kind of panic that
Speaker 3: you would usually have, that some of that has kind
Speaker 3: of seeped into the football building. And because you'd have
Speaker 3: kids in the go into the transfer portal and some
Speaker 3: of the other the other angst started to mount. So
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's that's the challenge is who who
Speaker 3: is the leadership and how strong is that there inside
Speaker 3: the locker room. I mean, people are going to be
Speaker 3: people are gonna be curious to see what's going on
Speaker 3: because there's gonna be all kinds of rumblings about when
Speaker 3: you're on such a hot seat there. But the leadership, BOYD,
Speaker 3: is real inside the USC.
Speaker 4: All right, let's stay in LA. I'll make you pick
Speaker 4: another number. But you feel like going into last year,
Speaker 4: you on this show talked about the Bruins just playe
Speaker 4: not having an even decent roster of Pac twelve caliber players.
Speaker 4: So how much closer are the Bruins now to having that?
Speaker 4: And overall do you believe this is what this is
Speaker 4: what Chip Kelly envisioned, what you know, what would they
Speaker 4: would look like between year one and year two?
Speaker 3: I think they are. They are closer to being a
Speaker 3: I think they're probably a Bowl team now, okay, and
Speaker 3: I think they're probably a seven win team. I don't
Speaker 3: think they have a ton of talent there, but they
Speaker 3: have pretty much everybody back on defense except for a
Speaker 3: Darius Pickett, who is a really good solid safety, and
Speaker 3: they got back They're going to get back Josh Woods,
Speaker 3: who might have been their best player, but he missed
Speaker 3: all last year with injury. They have a lot of
Speaker 3: young guys in the D line fit what they want.
Speaker 3: I think they're still probably not ready those players, but
Speaker 3: at least they have guys who have experienced in the
Speaker 3: system and they know what what Kelly and that staff want,
Speaker 3: not just on the field, but in every aspect of
Speaker 3: being UCLA football players. I think Dorian Thompson Robinson, he's
Speaker 3: talented and everything I've heard has been very positive of
Speaker 3: how he's how he continues to develop there. So I
Speaker 3: mean that's a big plus. As far as the skill
Speaker 3: guys to Saint Oregon, they do not have dynamic change,
Speaker 3: game changing guys, you know they have. They have a
Speaker 3: couple of guys who can do some you know one
Speaker 3: thing really well. Has Allen, who is I think Kelly's
Speaker 3: first recruit there. He's a He's a small freshman who's
Speaker 3: got a ton of speed, but I think you know
Speaker 3: that expression, he's a track guy, not a football player
Speaker 3: of vice versa. I mean at this point, it feels
Speaker 3: like he's a track guy, and so you know, where
Speaker 3: does where does that? Joshua Kelly in our game we
Speaker 3: did the USC UCLA game. He ran for almost three
Speaker 3: hundred yards against against USC. He's a former one double
Speaker 3: way back. It wasn't like he was a great running
Speaker 3: back in the one double A level, but he did
Speaker 3: some nice things and they got better in the last
Speaker 3: month of the season. I mean, you look, they average
Speaker 3: almost five hundred yards a game in the last month
Speaker 3: of the season and like three thirty or three fifty
Speaker 3: in the first two months. So I clearly shows there
Speaker 3: they're kind of getting a better graph of what this
Speaker 3: version of Chip Kelly is doing as opposed to you know,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people remember from the Oregon
Speaker 3: days and he's done. He does, you know, some things
Speaker 3: a little bit differently scheme wise, but you know, again,
Speaker 3: the personnel is still not great. I mean I would
Speaker 3: guess that their personnel they don't have any running back
Speaker 3: like JJ Taylor. They don't have the receivers that USC has,
Speaker 3: and they don't have the physicality on both lines and
Speaker 3: the maturity that Utah has. So you know, I think
Speaker 3: they're probably right now I think they go through three
Speaker 3: wins to maybe seven. You know, maybe they can get
Speaker 3: to eight. I don't know. But I think the key
Speaker 3: thing with him more than anything is development and guys
Speaker 3: who understand and believe in what they're doing. And I
Speaker 3: think that's when the transition has kind of been, you know,
Speaker 3: take us two steps forward, one step back in some ways.
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to Oregon. Then, because it's obviously
Speaker 4: Chips former school. The Ducks will get they'll get a
Speaker 4: lot of top of conference attention because of Justin Herbert
Speaker 4: and recent recruiting. But to what extent are you? Are
Speaker 4: you a believer and the rest of this team and
Speaker 4: this coaching staff as conference contender, Oh, this is gonna
Speaker 4: be good. This is the literation conference contender caliber, especially
Speaker 4: when they when they like face planted last year. They
Speaker 4: really face planted in those first halfs against Wazoo in
Speaker 4: Arizona and Utah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, look, they have good frontline talent. I
Speaker 3: think they're still building up the depth. They're gonna miss
Speaker 3: Dylan Mitchell. They had one really good receiver and he
Speaker 3: was it. I think they're going to be really good
Speaker 3: on the offensive line. That's a big plus. I like
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert as a as a guy. I think he's,
Speaker 3: you know, a great student. Off the field, He's got
Speaker 3: a lot of talent. I you know, you wonder if
Speaker 3: he's gotten you know, when people talk about him as
Speaker 3: the first pick in the draft part if he will
Speaker 3: come in. I'm a little skeptical of that. I don't think,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't see I don't see that at
Speaker 3: this point. Defensively, they're okay, you know, I like the
Speaker 3: hire of Andy Abolos, who did really well at Boise State. Well,
Speaker 3: here's what concerns me about Oregon. I think Oregon is
Speaker 3: the top twenty team. But here's what concerns me about them.
Speaker 3: They were not a good team on the road land
Speaker 3: you love. You know, they get drilled at Pullman, they
Speaker 3: get absolutely smashed by a very mediocre Arizona team. They
Speaker 3: get beat at Utah. That's not good. I mean basically
Speaker 3: the only place they went to that they won it
Speaker 3: was core Ballast. That isn't a far trip. And I'm
Speaker 3: sorry they did win. You know, they did win a
Speaker 3: cow so.
Speaker 4: I won a col Yeah, that's not that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that that part concerns me, especially when you
Speaker 3: look at now where they have to go, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: Washington State was a pretty good team last year, but
Speaker 3: but Arizona wasn't and they got blown out there. I
Speaker 3: mean they lost at Utah. That's not an easy place
Speaker 3: to play. But now you're talking about, you know, having
Speaker 3: to go to Washington, having to go to Stamford. Those
Speaker 3: are not going to be those are not going to
Speaker 3: be easy trips. So and they have a tough opener.
Speaker 3: But right now I'm pump the brakes on Oregon. I
Speaker 3: think they're a top fifteen ish kind of team. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're more than that. Until they showed
Speaker 3: that they can they can really do it on the road,
Speaker 3: I think that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that all sounds that. It sounds reasonable, And
Speaker 4: we can then talk about a team that has had
Speaker 4: a higher ceiling recently in Washington Oregon's i think chief
Speaker 4: rival at this point until Oregon State sort of gets
Speaker 4: back to a more respectable level. And even with losing
Speaker 4: what they lost this year, especially on defense, they've built
Speaker 4: a wrecking crew on that side of the ball. It's
Speaker 4: consistent coaching and recruiting. Why has the offense struggled to
Speaker 4: keep up is you know, they've built up the experience
Speaker 4: was it was it just sort of a Jake Browning
Speaker 4: has a ceiling and he is going to have two
Speaker 4: and a half total dud games every year, and that's
Speaker 4: that's sort of that. Is there something beyond that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. I think you
Speaker 3: also had Bush Hampden kind of growing into the role
Speaker 3: as a play caller there as offensive coordinator. I think
Speaker 3: the receiver play was pretty underwhelming. We'll see if Junior
Speaker 3: Adams comes in highly touted, what kind of impact he
Speaker 3: can make with a younger group of receivers. They've red
Speaker 3: shirted some kids who are very hyped. We'll see if
Speaker 3: they can deliver. They're One of the bigger storylines on
Speaker 3: the West Coast is going to be Jacob Eason, who
Speaker 3: was once ranked five star. Is he that or is
Speaker 3: he the guy some some folks inside the Georgia program
Speaker 3: are a little skeptical.
Speaker 4: Of what do you think.
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm I don't. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: he's going to be the five star guy. You know,
Speaker 3: I think some of the things, some of the things
Speaker 3: that the people inside Georgia or Leiria are the kinds
Speaker 3: of things that I feel like the recruiting guys may
Speaker 3: not see which is how well does he how well
Speaker 3: does he find open receivers? How accurate is he? I mean,
Speaker 3: no doubt, he's legit, big six', five and he's got
Speaker 3: a really really strong. Arm but if he can't connect
Speaker 3: with open receivers and see and see defense as, well
Speaker 3: that great arm isn't going to help him that, much you.
Speaker 3: Know AND i feel like the expectations are really really,
Speaker 3: high AND i would be a little more cautious on.
Speaker 3: That they also Lost Miles, gastrin who's the all time
Speaker 3: leading rusher. There SO i still think they're probably the
Speaker 3: best team on The West coast BECAUSE i think that,
Speaker 3: defensively even with the secondary guys they, lost they've recruited
Speaker 3: so well on the back, end AND i still think
Speaker 3: they got a bunch of you they have some really
Speaker 3: good young d linemen to couple that with the TALENT
Speaker 3: i think they have in the. SECONDARY i Think Jimmy
Speaker 3: lake Is i'd be surprised if he has a bad
Speaker 3: defense as long as he's you, know, There AND i
Speaker 3: think they have really good personnel and they have an identity.
Speaker 3: There they should be pretty good on THE o, Line
Speaker 3: SO i, think you, KNOW i think they have. Enough it's,
Speaker 3: just you, know if they're going to be a team
Speaker 3: that's going to make noise in the, playoff gets the
Speaker 3: playfrom to make, Noise jigbeeson needs to be the five star,
Speaker 3: guy but he was hyped to. BE i think they're
Speaker 3: a team that can win THE pac twelve just because
Speaker 3: this IS i don't think THE pac twelve is very.
Speaker 3: GOOD i think it's bad and the bad in THE
Speaker 3: pac Twelve, south AND i think THEY i don't. KNOW
Speaker 3: i think they just have an experience and a savvy
Speaker 3: that That oregon doesn't. Have AND i just don't Think
Speaker 3: stanford has enough firepower to. Overtake have you looked at.
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Speaker 4: Com another team without firepower and it's it's heartbreaking to
Speaker 4: watch them because the defense has been so good recently
Speaker 4: and has been good Against washington Is cal and they're
Speaker 4: another team With they just need the offense to be
Speaker 4: average to win more games because that, defense especially the back,
Speaker 4: end has been so. Good so are you buying at
Speaker 4: all into cal offensive improvement or is it just a
Speaker 4: matter of they need to they need to have at
Speaker 4: least like eleven fourteen more dudes that are HIGH pac
Speaker 4: twelve caliber until we can really talk About cal as
Speaker 4: like an.
Speaker 3: Team, YEAH i think they're well. COACHED i. DON'T i
Speaker 3: just don't think you SAID i don't think they have the, firepower, right,
Speaker 3: now they don't have enough. Receivers they don't Have like
Speaker 3: a couple of years, ago when you, Know Sonny dykes
Speaker 3: was there And Jake staviogal was, there they had some
Speaker 3: really good young. Receivers they don't have that right, now
Speaker 3: and quarterback plays been. LIMITED i think they're going to
Speaker 3: Miss Patrick, laird who is very solid for the last
Speaker 3: couple of. Years you, KNOW i THOUGHT i thought they'd
Speaker 3: gotten about as much out of their roster as anybody
Speaker 3: on The West, coast with a possible exception Of Washington.
Speaker 3: State you, KNOW i just And i'm not SURE i
Speaker 3: see it going up much more than. THAT i, mean
Speaker 3: are we looking and, saying, okay you, know you, Know
Speaker 3: Chase garber's Or Devin mobster are going to turn out
Speaker 3: to be you, Know Gardner. Minshew i'm not seeing. THAT i,
Speaker 3: mean SO i don't know at this. POINT i, MEAN
Speaker 3: i think they'll be they'll be, competitive and they'll be
Speaker 3: tough for they'll be but you, know the have a
Speaker 3: pull a couple of. Upsets BUT i think they'll probably
Speaker 3: a six or seven win. Team JUST i just don't
Speaker 3: think they have enough firepower to be much more than.
Speaker 4: That all, right and a team with and it's been
Speaker 4: a while since we've been at this, Point but the
Speaker 4: clear best receiver in The pac twelve Is Laviska. CHANALT
Speaker 4: i don't even know if anybody can argue. THAT i
Speaker 4: don't know who.
Speaker 3: CAN i would say he's the clear best player offensive
Speaker 3: player in the.
Speaker 4: League, YEAH i THINK i think that's a there's a
Speaker 4: pretty easy argument to be. Made and they finished the
Speaker 4: SEASON i think AVERAGING i want to, say thirteen points
Speaker 4: a game in their last three or four. Games and
Speaker 4: now they start over with a new, staff Mel, tucker
Speaker 4: do you lean in the direction Of colorado being re
Speaker 4: energized with health and good experience back on offense With
Speaker 4: chanalt And Steven montes or is it sort of like
Speaker 4: a take your lumps kind of year with another it's
Speaker 4: a pretty brutal back half of twenty.
Speaker 3: Nineteen, YEAH i THINK i think Mel tucker will will
Speaker 3: be a Good and WHEN i say short term, SIX
Speaker 3: i don't mean he's going to fall apart two years from.
Speaker 3: Now BUT i just think he can hit the ground.
Speaker 3: Running Because, montez there's a lot to like there in
Speaker 3: a consistency sometimes is, shaky but he's very. TALENTED i
Speaker 3: LIKE i SAID i Think channel is the most is
Speaker 3: the best offensive player in the, league and, Uh Katie
Speaker 3: nixon is a IS a is a really good you,
Speaker 3: know he's a fire plug and a really dynamic. Player
Speaker 3: they have concern because you, know they get a Grad
Speaker 3: france for the last year From Virginia tech who really
Speaker 3: gave a boost to the run, game and now they got,
Speaker 3: to you, know resort that out AND i Think Meal
Speaker 3: tucker is going to want to be. Physical AND i
Speaker 3: don't know how he finds that run game to what
Speaker 3: he's been used, to whether when he was In TUSCO
Speaker 3: us certainly you know the last couple of years In
Speaker 3: georgia where they had stud running. Backs they have some
Speaker 3: talent on, Defense they have some guys who can really.
Speaker 3: RUN i don't know if they have much depth behind,
Speaker 3: it BUT i think there are some pieces for him
Speaker 3: to work. WITH i think they're Their bowl, team, okay
Speaker 3: BUT i don't. Know you, know, AGAIN i Like Stephen,
Speaker 3: montes but they got to help him more with a run.
Speaker 3: GAME i don't know where they how they manufacture. That
Speaker 3: so maybe they're maybe they're a six and six kind of,
Speaker 3: team unless somewhere along the way they find like a
Speaker 3: stud to kind of really take some of the pressure
Speaker 3: off of off Of La. Visca AND i, mean LIKE i,
Speaker 3: said they have some otherwide receivers are good, players BUT
Speaker 3: i just don't know if they can you, know it
Speaker 3: feels like they'd be a little more one. DIMENSIONAL i
Speaker 3: don't Want Stephen montes to be the biggest threat in
Speaker 3: the backfield running either or on the jet sweep stuff
Speaker 3: whatever they do in the riscame.
Speaker 4: Right fair another player WHO i think has the potential
Speaker 4: to be the best player in the conference offensively because
Speaker 4: of what he did two years. Ago it's probably Still khalil.
Speaker 4: Tape he decides to come back To arizona after there
Speaker 4: are rumors of him transferring, elsewhere and the story last
Speaker 4: year was how comfortably is he is he in this?
Speaker 4: Offense is how beat up is? He you, know there
Speaker 4: were rumors of injuries and he did sit out a.
Speaker 4: Game so do you think there's there's confidence from the
Speaker 4: coaching staff after he didn't transfer that he's turned a,
Speaker 4: corner especially after he had a really Good november last.
Speaker 3: YEAR i heard there, was but, again you, know we
Speaker 3: need to see him be really dynamic and, look these
Speaker 3: are the things that made you, great don't diminish them
Speaker 3: LIKE i. SAID i, mean you, KNOW Jj taylor is
Speaker 3: just fantastic running. Back they have some some playmakers around.
Speaker 3: Him if he's the guy he was in twenty, seventeen
Speaker 3: they're a top twenty five. Team if he plays like
Speaker 3: he did in the first month of the, season they're
Speaker 3: not going to go. Gold so, again what does he
Speaker 3: want to? Do AND i don't have a great read
Speaker 3: on that BECAUSE i don't until we see what he's
Speaker 3: doing in the games and how you, know dialed into.
Speaker 3: That that's a that's a, big BIG x factor for.
Speaker 3: That you, know they're such a hard team to. READ
Speaker 3: i think because of you, Know, kevin someone's had some
Speaker 3: great runs with guys like this and then he's you,
Speaker 3: know had some head scratching moments and this is WHERE
Speaker 3: i don't know where they're going to be right.
Speaker 4: Now that's all that seems. FAIR i JUST i really
Speaker 4: want twenty Seventeen khalil, tape just because we don't have
Speaker 4: anybody else right now in college football who is that
Speaker 4: kind of dynamic threat at his. Best.
Speaker 3: NO i mean that's the, thing is you wonder with
Speaker 3: somebody in his head, saying, hey don't do it this.
Speaker 3: WAY i don't know the answer to, that but it
Speaker 3: was definitely definitely a little bit of it. That, okay
Speaker 3: it was a big.
Speaker 4: Disappointment so let's stay in. STATE asu was they were
Speaker 4: actually quietly pretty good down the stretch they ran away From.
Speaker 4: UTAH i think that was When Tyler huntley got.
Speaker 1: Hurt.
Speaker 4: Though they Took oregon to the wire And. Eugene but
Speaker 4: as we as we enter into year two of this,
Speaker 4: staff do you expect things to lean? Again this is
Speaker 4: the lump thing THAT i was talking about With, colorado
Speaker 4: but this is year. Two do they take lumps after
Speaker 4: losing some some really Big Todd graham, guys or or
Speaker 4: do they build on their strong finish with some interesting
Speaker 4: pieces on the back half of that. DEFENSE i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i, mean Many wilkins played a ton of football for, Them,
Speaker 3: Obviously Nikhil harry was just a real go to. Guy
Speaker 3: hm they still, have you, Know, BENJAMIN i feel. Weird you,
Speaker 3: Know i'm saying it's just BECAUSE i wasn't on The
Speaker 3: herm bandwagon to start, with and he delivered better THAN
Speaker 3: i thought he.
Speaker 4: Did they were really competitive all.
Speaker 3: Year they, were and they Beat Michigan, state which was
Speaker 3: a good, win maybe not a great win and repspract
Speaker 3: but it was about as good an out of conference
Speaker 3: win as anybody else. HAD i don't. KNOW i don't
Speaker 3: know if they're going to get much, better, THOUGH i really.
Speaker 3: Don't i'm Still, county still skeptical on.
Speaker 4: This, okay and that team that they did beat Comfortably.
Speaker 4: Utah they come out of the gate last year scoring
Speaker 4: like eight points a, game and then they score something
Speaker 4: like forty a game In, october and then it was
Speaker 4: a nightmare Against washington And. Northwestern they are the most
Speaker 4: consistently pretty good team in the. Conference are they getting
Speaker 4: any closer to that on offense, now especially that they
Speaker 4: lose their offensive. COORDINATOR i think they.
Speaker 3: ARE i think they're the closest thing to a sure,
Speaker 3: thing not necessarily sure, thing like they're going to win the,
Speaker 3: conference but like, YOU i feel like you know what you're.
Speaker 3: Getting they have key, injuries and they still kind of
Speaker 3: play through because because they're so tied into his identity
Speaker 3: of being. Physical bradley AND i is one of the
Speaker 3: best defensive, line best defensive players in the. Conference they're
Speaker 3: going to lose some good guys in the middle of
Speaker 3: the defense who could run down a bunch of plays
Speaker 3: and make. Plays BUT i still think with, them and,
Speaker 3: again you, know they had key injuries at quarterback and
Speaker 3: running back and they still played for the conference title
Speaker 3: and we're right there Against washington and they were close
Speaker 3: to winning. It SO i think they're the. Team And
Speaker 3: i've said this before just from when you do games
Speaker 3: and you're on the sideline for, games there is no
Speaker 3: team is more of an eye opener to watch play
Speaker 3: Than utah if you just kind of, like, OH i
Speaker 3: don't know how they, winning un your good coach on
Speaker 3: how he does. It when you see him from field,
Speaker 3: level you know exactly how they do it because they're super.
Speaker 3: Physical they don't they're a good tackling, team and they're
Speaker 3: pretty much tougher than just about everybody they. Play so you,
Speaker 3: know If Tyler, huntley who does some really good, things
Speaker 3: if he really can stay healthy and continue to build on,
Speaker 3: it they, can and not only can they play for
Speaker 3: they're a top fifteen, team then you know THEY i
Speaker 3: don't know if they're more than, that but AGAIN i
Speaker 3: think THEY'RE i think they're very very good AND i
Speaker 3: think they'll be very very. Good.
Speaker 4: Again final team Is Oregon, state whose limitations are pretty.
Speaker 4: Clear but what are the positive takeaways from a pretty
Speaker 4: brutal twenty eighteen and are are any of those meaningful moving?
Speaker 3: Forward Jamar Jefferson. Yep probably the best kept secret on
Speaker 3: The West. Coast there's a there's a defense CORTERNATY i
Speaker 3: talked to you about about talent and he was, LIKE i,
Speaker 3: said who's the best running back you? Saw And Jamar
Speaker 3: jefferson's name came. Up he's big time and that's a
Speaker 3: good piece For Jonathan smith to. Build he's had a
Speaker 3: couple of grad transfers WHO i think will help. Them you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i think they're they're going to get. BETTER i
Speaker 3: don't know how, much how much further they're going to?
Speaker 3: Go you, know can they push past What cal? Is
Speaker 3: and that's a that's a pretty heavy division right. NOW
Speaker 3: i MEAN i know that That it's not like there's
Speaker 3: An alabama right now in there where you have a
Speaker 3: consistent playoff. Team But washington's very. GOOD i think you
Speaker 3: look at How Mario Crysto ball is recruiting At oregon
Speaker 3: now and you know that they're going to have. Talent
Speaker 3: they're going to be. Good stanford's not going. Away Mike
Speaker 3: leach is always going to be a, problem AND i
Speaker 3: Think Justin wilcock just showed you know that a. Coach
Speaker 3: so here we are, NOW i, mean you have a
Speaker 3: really good running. Back what are the other pieces you have?
Speaker 3: AROUND i don't. Know is that is that? ENOUGH i
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't out at this.
Speaker 4: Point, man it doesn't seem like it, now but could
Speaker 4: be interesting. Later big, picture this has been an off
Speaker 4: season in the conference that has been characterized by some
Speaker 4: combination of disappointment and perceived. Disappointment you know is The
Speaker 4: Big series and The oregonian About Larry scott AND pac
Speaker 4: twelve expenses and they're not winning, enough And Rick newheisel
Speaker 4: says it's because they're not enough three hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: pound dudes that are. Good where do you fall? On
Speaker 4: the sky is? Falling It's defcon. One THE pac twelve
Speaker 4: has a nightmare on its. Hands are you are you
Speaker 4: fully bought into an emergency situation or do you think
Speaker 4: it is slightly?
Speaker 3: DIFFERENT i think it's slightly, different AND i think that
Speaker 3: there are there is enough dey line than in THE
Speaker 3: pac twelve footprint to be as good as you need to.
Speaker 3: Be the key is recruiting the right ones and not losing. That.
Speaker 3: NO i Mean, lsu a guy From Salt Lake city
Speaker 3: that one of the coaches in THE pac twelve told
Speaker 3: me things might be the best defensive tackle in the.
Speaker 3: Country you got to win that refruiting battle and keep him.
Speaker 3: In maybe maybe three years, ago that kid's A usc.
Speaker 3: Trojan now he's An Lsu. Tiger you. Know he's six
Speaker 3: three two two six three three, sixty really explosive and.
Speaker 3: Physical and that's the kind of guy that you need
Speaker 3: to keep in the, conference you. Know AND i think
Speaker 3: so those are those are. SIGNIFICANT usc has some of
Speaker 3: those kinds of guys that are they just have they
Speaker 3: don't have enough of, them and they have struggled to
Speaker 3: develop them or keep them on, track, Right AND i
Speaker 3: think that's what's, hurt you. KNOW i mean the uh
Speaker 3: there's two guys who start for The SAN francoo forty
Speaker 3: nine ers defensive line who are as good, looking, deep you,
Speaker 3: know specimens as you're going to. See they both played At, oregon,
Speaker 3: right you, know where's where's A Lote nata?
Speaker 4: From?
Speaker 3: YEAH i mean you have where's Dmkan su? From those
Speaker 3: guys they didn't grow up In. Georgia i'm not saying
Speaker 3: there aren't guys like, that Because lord, knows there's a
Speaker 3: ton of guys like that in The. Southeast but there's
Speaker 3: there's plenty of those guys who are in all over
Speaker 3: The West. Coast there's a bunch In, california there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of In, utah there's a handful in The Pacific.
Speaker 3: NORTHWEST i mean the THING i would, say And i'm
Speaker 3: curious to see your thought on. This, YEAH i feel
Speaker 3: like the recruiting evaluator, guys AND i think they do
Speaker 3: a good. Job we're talking about the online recruiting, world
Speaker 3: not the, coaches BUT i think they do a good.
Speaker 3: Job BUT i think they are usually more resourced in
Speaker 3: The southeast and in that part of the country then
Speaker 3: they're on The West, coast WHERE i feel like it's
Speaker 3: It's Brandon, huffman It's Greg, biggins and there's a handful
Speaker 3: of other, guys, RIGHT i feel like THEY i don't
Speaker 3: know if they miss more on The West, coast but
Speaker 3: Like Vita vea with a three star guy From milpitas In.
Speaker 3: California you look At, VITAVEYA i mean he's a did
Speaker 3: any defensive lineman who's, come you, know a big defensive.
Speaker 3: LINE i don't think it's Overly Jadavian, clowney but you,
Speaker 3: know he's a massive, guy who's a freaky, athlete who
Speaker 3: is a dominant guy at times At. Washington but he
Speaker 3: wasn't like a blue chip, recruit, Right, SO i mean
Speaker 3: he's From. California those guys are. There it's just, AGAIN
Speaker 3: i think it's it's it's keeping him in the. CONFERENCE
Speaker 3: i really think it comes back to. That lord, knows
Speaker 3: there's plenty of quarterbacks out here AND. USC i, MEAN
Speaker 3: i mean there's very few schools have had anywhere near
Speaker 3: is going to run or receivers AS usc has in
Speaker 3: the last. Decade, right you, know it's Hug Smith, Schuster
Speaker 3: It's Robert, Woods It's mark Peace, lee you, Know Nelson.
Speaker 3: Aguilar there's a bunch of. Dudes the guys that have
Speaker 3: now are. Good you, Know Michael pittman's. Good so you,
Speaker 3: Know i'm On, Ross Saint brown is. Good there are
Speaker 3: guys out. Here it's, just, uh it's JUST i, think you,
Speaker 3: KNOW usc is tay off in a big. Way AND
Speaker 3: i think that's highlighted.
Speaker 4: It here's my big picture, thought AND i probably hurt myself,
Speaker 4: thinking AND i don't try to think too hard about college,
Speaker 4: football but WHEN i saw, THAT i thought it. Ignored
Speaker 4: WHEN i see that, CRITICISM i think it ignores some
Speaker 4: pretty obvious realities of THE pac. Twelve and one of
Speaker 4: them is IF usc Beats Washington state two years ago
Speaker 4: In pullman and makes it into the playoff at whatever
Speaker 4: twelve and one are we having this conversation if THE
Speaker 4: pac twelve has a premiere program on a national stage,
Speaker 4: consistently AND i Know washington was in the, playoff and
Speaker 4: this will come across bias BECAUSE i can't help but
Speaker 4: be biased as An oregon, FAN i think on The
Speaker 4: West coast because you are so far. Away unless you
Speaker 4: are a team who has been good and has built
Speaker 4: up goodwill amongst national college football fans for years and,
Speaker 4: years LIKE Us seed did Under Pete carroll And oregon
Speaker 4: did Under ballotti And Chip, kelly that it will take
Speaker 4: time for people to care about A West coast. Team
Speaker 4: and so If arizona runs the table this, YEAR i
Speaker 4: don't think anybody will care. Nationally If utah runs the,
Speaker 4: TABLE i don't think it will move a. Needle AND
Speaker 4: i Think washington And Washington state being. GOOD i think
Speaker 4: they both finished in the top twelve this past. YEAR
Speaker 4: i think people just don't care because they're not you,
Speaker 4: know people Know Mike, leach BUT i don't think they
Speaker 4: fully Trust Washington state because of how bad they were
Speaker 4: not too long. Ago AND i think they don't Trust
Speaker 4: washington because when we've seen them on that national, stage
Speaker 4: whether it's in the, playoff whether against it's Against, auburn
Speaker 4: whether it's Against Ohio state this, year whether it's AGAINST
Speaker 4: usc on that Big saturday night GAME i think that
Speaker 4: was On, fox they've always come up. Short AND i
Speaker 4: don't think there's trust. Yet and that short of Either
Speaker 4: oregon OR usc as a top five to seven, TEAM
Speaker 4: i think The pac twelve has a, really really tough.
Speaker 4: Climb but if they do have one of those, TEAMS
Speaker 4: i don't think anybody freaks.
Speaker 3: Out, Yeah AND i think that's it's hard to say,
Speaker 3: say but, right, look if if you, know If oregon
Speaker 3: doesn't lose in the last second field goal To, auburn
Speaker 3: you know there's a national title, there AND i think
Speaker 3: people do that change the. Perception, no BUT i think
Speaker 3: THERE'S i think there's little things because people can write
Speaker 3: off well that year That utah Beat alabama in a bowl.
Speaker 4: Game Well, alabama you, know they were A Mountain west
Speaker 4: team then, TOO i.
Speaker 3: Know BUT i mean it's still it's still you, know
Speaker 3: it's like people write that stuff off when it's like
Speaker 3: a one off or it's hard for, them you, know
Speaker 3: to get, around you, know the, reality because people are
Speaker 3: entirely going to believe what they want to, believe, right
Speaker 3: and those perceptions don't happen, overnight, right you, know like
Speaker 3: If i'm A Notre dame, fan like The orange has
Speaker 3: been really good except when they played you, know teams
Speaker 3: that are more talented and they've gotten absolutely. Pummeled, sure
Speaker 3: and that's you, know you can say whatever you, want
Speaker 3: but it's like it's a perception, game, Right and when
Speaker 3: you're a top, team which used to BE, ufc when
Speaker 3: they're not very, good you, know like you can knock
Speaker 3: like you can knock THE acc all you. Want right,
Speaker 3: Now clemson's is, good if not better than everybody. Else
Speaker 3: the rest of the. Division the rest of the conference
Speaker 3: doesn't look very, good but at least at the, top they're,
Speaker 3: strong and that's the stuff that people pay attention. To
Speaker 3: once you start sorting, out like how good or how,
Speaker 3: bad Like arkansas was horrible this. Year nobody really cared,
Speaker 3: though because you, know you have you have these other
Speaker 3: teams that are heavyweight. Teams you, Know it's like you
Speaker 3: very rarely have an argument whether Whether Oregon state Or
Speaker 3: arkansas Or minnesota Or rutgers are the worst. Team, Right
Speaker 3: it's it's about the top of the division and top
Speaker 3: of the. Conference AND i think that's where it. Hurts
Speaker 3: where like you, said some of The washington, games you,
Speaker 3: know If Buddha baker picks Off jalen hurts at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the playoff, Game, yeah it's that a different.
Speaker 3: Game now With, washington are they playing from the? Lead
Speaker 3: is you know who? KNOWS i mean my guess is
Speaker 3: it's probably not. Different but you, know one big play
Speaker 3: can make a big. Difference we've seen plenty of examples of.
Speaker 4: That, Yeah AND i think if YOU i don't think
Speaker 4: it's actually unique to THE pac. Twelve AND i still
Speaker 4: think THE pac twelve has a number of distribution and
Speaker 4: network and perception issues regardless of the on field and
Speaker 4: the top of the. Conference BUT i don't think anybody you,
Speaker 4: know hearkens back to the day When Georgia tech Played
Speaker 4: Wake forest in THE acc championship. Game that was not
Speaker 4: a STRONG. Acc that was not a good time for
Speaker 4: THE acc because of what it looked like at the.
Speaker 4: Top if we see AN sec championship game OF i don't,
Speaker 4: Know missouri And, arkansas are we going to? Think, man
Speaker 4: THE sec is in a great. PLACE i don't feel
Speaker 4: like we're going To AND i just, think you, know
Speaker 4: the teams outside of THE pac, twelve the power, teams
Speaker 4: it's probably harder because of their their local talent to
Speaker 4: really fall like some of the team and THE pac twelve.
Speaker 4: Have BUT i don't think the dynamic of THE pac
Speaker 4: twelve having these issues is necessarily unique to THE pac.
Speaker 4: Twelve AND i think you're, right it's just what and
Speaker 4: who is at the.
Speaker 3: Top, Yeah i'm that drives the BUS.
Speaker 4: Yep all, Right, bruce thank you very much for your.
Speaker 4: Time everybody should listen to the audible With bruce And Stu,
Speaker 4: mandel who is a lot of people consider to be
Speaker 4: the most dangerous man in college football. MEDIA i can't
Speaker 4: say too much, why but don't Cross, Stu that's ALL
Speaker 4: i will.
Speaker 3: Say, NO i, MEAN i don't think people Know stu
Speaker 3: has a black belt And brazilian jiu. Jitsu it would surprise.
Speaker 3: Them but that's why the most dangerous guy.
Speaker 4: You'll be on the sidelines this. Fall that's the. Plan
Speaker 4: that is the. Plan, yes that is the. Plan and
Speaker 4: obviously you are all over the place for in a
Speaker 4: good way for The. Athletic and really liked your piece
Speaker 4: about The alabama coaching staff just sort of disappearing in
Speaker 4: the middle of the night or at Least Dan, inos
Speaker 4: their offensive. Coordinator AND i really hope that we get
Speaker 4: to see more of you doing those types of stories
Speaker 4: all over the.
Speaker 3: COUNTRY i appreciate it that story That alabama coaching Staff
Speaker 3: saban transition story that got probably more ine twice as
Speaker 3: much Interests i've made any Story i've done in. Years
Speaker 3: so if people haven't read, it it's actually the thing
Speaker 3: That i've pinned on My twitter. Page so check it
Speaker 3: out if you, haven't AND i appreciate you saying.
Speaker 4: That Perfect all, right go go Follow Bruce fveldman On.
Speaker 4: Twitter it's very easy to find him and read. Him
Speaker 4: if you are not a subscriber To The, athletic you
Speaker 4: are one percent missing. OUT i just read a piece
Speaker 4: About Klay thompson's career At Washington state and oral history
Speaker 4: of all of his, weirdness and it's probably worth the
Speaker 4: subscription just for. That So, bruce thank you very much
Speaker 4: for your time and we will talk to you.
Speaker 3: Soon thank, You.
Speaker 4: Dan all, Right, dan we are.
Speaker 1: Back that Was Bruce felman again the Athletic Fox. SPORTS
Speaker 1: i enjoyed the conversation at the, Top, yeah talking about
Speaker 1: his opinion that his crew is in the best.
Speaker 4: Shape it's a PRETTY i, mean it's not a tough
Speaker 4: competition because there are just older former coaches and former
Speaker 4: players that it's going to be tough to hang with
Speaker 4: a younger crew when you Have Joe davis And Brady,
Speaker 4: quinn Although Brady quinn is now moving to the game
Speaker 4: day competitor That fox is doing mostly out of the.
Speaker 4: STUDIO i, think, okay which is an interesting.
Speaker 1: CONVERSATION i was trying to rack my brain for who
Speaker 1: might be better than, them AND i was really kind
Speaker 1: of coming up empty AS i was listening back to.
Speaker 4: THAT i, mean we have a very young play by
Speaker 4: play announcer who calls into the show or leaves a
Speaker 4: voice meal and that leads me to believe because we
Speaker 4: are so simpatico with food on the road that perhaps
Speaker 4: his first priority is not hitting the. Gym, yeah slim
Speaker 4: trim guy at. HIM i mean, sure but priority is
Speaker 4: elsewhere where it is for. Us so that was it
Speaker 4: was obviously great to Have bruce On what is your number?
Speaker 4: WELL i Asked bruce this too though with the gym.
Speaker 4: Stuff what is your number one amenity in a hotel?
Speaker 3: Room?
Speaker 4: Yeah so is it bed? Comfort is? It water pressure
Speaker 4: in the? Shower is its you, know size of the,
Speaker 4: room is it having a suite in? Space is?
Speaker 1: It CAN i get very CAN i get very super?
Speaker 1: Specific a bar by all, means my number one amenity
Speaker 1: is not going to be listed on any, Pamphlet. OKAY
Speaker 1: i prefer, well WiFi is always, important but that's like.
Speaker 1: Electricity at this. POINT i prefer a hotel room that
Speaker 1: doesn't have outlandishly hard.
Speaker 4: Water, okay and that's very difficult to. Find and hard
Speaker 4: water is water that is extremely. Acidic what is? It
Speaker 4: it's the.
Speaker 1: Water that when you like hop in the shower and
Speaker 1: you soap yourself.
Speaker 4: Up, oh it's mineral.
Speaker 1: Content, yeah you feel like the water is sticking to
Speaker 1: you that, sure you know what you're, Talking that, grimy
Speaker 1: sticky feeling that you get when you use the water
Speaker 1: in a hotel, Oftentimes, yeah that's hard. WATER i like
Speaker 1: when you can come out of the shower feeling refreshed
Speaker 1: and not like you got to peel the water off.
Speaker 4: Yourself minor all water. Related it is that shower water.
Speaker 4: Pressure it is if there's an indoor pool. AVAILABLE i
Speaker 4: love that because living somewhere where winter can be particularly
Speaker 4: aggressive AND i don't get to go swim in a whole.
Speaker 4: BUNCH i love that. Ability don't really go in the
Speaker 4: hot tub too, much BUT i will happily do a
Speaker 4: quick sea ball into the pool and then just your
Speaker 4: your luxurious bed. TY i JUST i want to sink.
Speaker 4: In there's just something about a great hotel bed fun.
Speaker 1: Interview thank you again to our Friend Bruce. Felman yep
Speaker 1: again the Athletic Fox.
Speaker 4: Sports did you just send an email to me AS
Speaker 4: i was talking about a? HOTEL i, Did, YEAH i.
Speaker 2: Did, actually my, gosh.
Speaker 1: Not about, that not about the show at, all unrelated
Speaker 1: business my, god.
Speaker 4: Bulletin, yeah SOMETIMES i feel like you just do not
Speaker 4: take me seriously on that.
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