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Speaker 2: US fighter jets strike targets in Syria. Is this the

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Speaker 2: Second front? Welcome to the fastest show in politics. As

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Speaker 2: American jets hit two facilities believed to be used by

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Speaker 2: become a regional conflict if it isn't already. With James Jeffrey,

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Speaker 2: the former ambassador to Iraq and Turkey, now Chair of

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg Politics contributors. Welcome to the Friday edition of Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: Sound On. I actually had to check a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: It has been a week at least. We have a

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Speaker 2: about here today. As we begin with the situation in Israel,

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Speaker 2: of things ahead of what will likely be a ground invasion.

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Speaker 2: But we're seeing headlines now on extensive bombing to the

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Speaker 2: something here that is important. Massive air strikes underway now.

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Speaker 2: We learned as well the US was flying jets in

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Speaker 3: F sixteen's flown.

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Speaker 2: By the United States striking targets in eastern Syria, believed

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Speaker 2: questions about the scale of this potential military conflict. He was,

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Speaker 2: of course, the Ambassador to Iraq and Turkey, also Special

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Speaker 2: now at the Wilson Center, where he chairs the Middle

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Speaker 2: East Program. Ambassador James Jeffrey, Welcome back, sir. It's good

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Speaker 2: to see you. I wonder your thoughts when you hear

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on, Joe.

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Speaker 5: It's important to know this is as important as Ukraine

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Speaker 5: normally for the survival of a state, because that's what's

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Speaker 3: Well, the sure isn't.

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Speaker 5: Well, we've had, of course aircraft there for a long

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be cynical or satirical, but frankly,

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Speaker 2: Far, right, sending troops in and what they're referring to

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Speaker 5: As a farm of tank command, I recognize this doctrine.

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Speaker 5: It's called a tank raid. It is designed to another doctor,

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Speaker 2: Well, we may see more of these, I suppose, but

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Speaker 5: This will be an extremely complicated operation. Nobody would try

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Speaker 5: Everybody in the region, including Arab leaders who talk privately,

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Speaker 5: Everybody will stay out except the big question. Iran and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish we had a better internet connection, mister ambassador,

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Speaker 2: by the Wi Fi gods next time we speak. James Jeffrey,

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Speaker 2: As we assembled our panel, including Geny Shanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributor,

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Speaker 6: And this raises all sorts of challenges, domestic political challenges

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Speaker 3: Sure wonder, Rick. We spoke with retired General Wesley.

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Speaker 2: it was essentially saying, Rick that this is not hot,

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Speaker 2: it's warm, And I wonder your thought right now as

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Speaker 2: you look at this from a regional perspective, the things.

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Speaker 2: Well, we started this hour talking about Israel, and there

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Speaker 6: And so I agree with Rick that he's saying the

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Speaker 6: through as one package well, So Rick.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the administration needs to do a better

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Speaker 2: job messaging what this Ukraine money is for.

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Speaker 3: General Wesley Clark talked about it yesterday.

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Speaker 2: You just made reference to, you know, American defense contractors.

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Speaker 2: This is about also replenishing what we have here. Wouldn't

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Speaker 2: that be a better argument than simply saying sixty billion

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Speaker 2: for Ukraine.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think those conversations are being had within,

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Speaker 7: But again, I mean part of you know, President Biden's

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Speaker 7: job is to convince the American public that this is

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Speaker 7: important and that we are doing the right thing, because that,

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Speaker 7: of course helps reinforce his standing with Congress. I mean,

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Speaker 7: if the American public behind him, then it's a lot

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Speaker 7: easier to get these Rakalka Trent Republicans to do the

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Speaker 7: right thing on on Ukraine specifically, everybody wants to write

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Speaker 7: that check for for Israel and the emergency assistants and

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Speaker 7: the border assistance, those things are going.

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Speaker 4: To be easy.

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Speaker 7: The only thing that's going to be tricky is to

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Speaker 7: get a straight vote on Ukrainian assistance. And frankly, that

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Speaker 7: was what I thought was so smart about combining it,

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Speaker 7: because you know, they can they can just get that

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Speaker 7: done in one swell swoop and and ride on the

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Speaker 7: backs of those more popular measures.

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanze know our signature panel with

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Speaker 2: us on the Friday edition of sound On. We've got

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Speaker 2: some breaking headlines from Israel that we'll talk about. And

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Speaker 2: we haven't even gotten to this yet. Joe Biden has

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Speaker 2: a new challenger and can we call it the Democratic Primary?

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg sound On podcast. Catch us

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Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern, Bloomberg dot Com, the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on demand wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcast.

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Speaker 2: There is another a Democrat running for president.

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Speaker 3: His name is not Gavin Newsome.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Biden is losing sleep over it,

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Speaker 2: but the representative from Minnesota, Dean Phillips, is running. The

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Speaker 2: ad is up. The exclusive interview has been had. Here's

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Speaker 2: what it sounds like.

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Speaker 4: You ready.

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Speaker 10: I'm Dean Phillips, and I'm running for president of the

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Speaker 10: United States of America, and I'm coming to New Hampshire

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Speaker 10: to answer your questions. I love New Hampshire. I spent

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Speaker 10: my summers as a kid in the White Mountains, going

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Speaker 10: to camp, got to canoe the Saco River, learn how

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Speaker 10: to fish, learn how to shoot a gun, got to

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Speaker 10: climb the presidential.

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Speaker 2: Rule including Mount got the gun reference in there. I

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Speaker 2: used to go to New Hampshire as a kid. I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine that really being the way I introduced myself

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Speaker 2: to the nation running for president. But he had more

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Speaker 2: to say when he sat down with CBS News. Here

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Speaker 2: is again, Dean Phillip.

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Speaker 3: Are you running for president?

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Speaker 10: I am? I have to I think President Biden has

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Speaker 10: done a spectacular job for our country. But it's not

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Speaker 10: about the past. This is an election about the future.

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Speaker 10: I will not sit still and will not be quiet

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Speaker 10: in the face of numbers that are so clearly saying

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Speaker 10: that we're going to be facing an emergency next November.

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Speaker 2: An emergency in a hypothetical race against Donald Trump. Let's

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Speaker 2: reassemble our panel with Genie Shanzano at the table here

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Speaker 2: in Washington and Rick Davis Bloomberg Politics contributors.

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Speaker 3: Genie, are you shaking in your boots?

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Speaker 2: Here is Dean Phillips, the next Democratic nominee.

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Speaker 3: What's he thinking?

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Speaker 6: Having climbed Mount Washington many times since spent many summers

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Speaker 6: on the presidential range. I have to say I do

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Speaker 6: like that introduction. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I went to six Gun City as a kid. Does

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Speaker 2: that count White mountains?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely? And it's beautiful. So he knows what he's doing

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Speaker 6: when he's putting that out. But you know, there's a reason,

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Speaker 6: as you said, Gavin Newsom and and you know, some

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Speaker 6: of the other very popular governors who he let's not

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Speaker 6: forget not that long ago said, should consider running. There's

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Speaker 6: a reason they're not running is because number one, it

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Speaker 6: is very very late at this point, and number two,

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Speaker 6: it's going to be difficult to get name recognition, get

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Speaker 6: yourself out there against an incumbent president. And number three,

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Speaker 6: I think biggest of all is that no Democrats want

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Speaker 6: to be spoilers and help Donald Trump get elected. So

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Speaker 6: you know, there's a lot of reasons they aren't running.

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Speaker 6: That said, I think Phillips has a point when he says,

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Speaker 6: looking at the polls, almost seven out of ten Democrats

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Speaker 6: are concerned about Joe Biden's health, about his age, and

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Speaker 6: they are looking for new leadership, particularly young people and

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Speaker 6: African Americans. So he is trying to build on that.

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Speaker 6: I don't think Joe Biden's worried at this point, nor

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Speaker 6: should he be, but I do think it's something Democrats

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Speaker 6: have to take seriously.

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Speaker 3: The polls have.

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Speaker 6: Been unswavering and unwavering. I don't think swavering word, but

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Speaker 6: on wavering on this point about concerns about Joe Biden's

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Speaker 6: ability to serve another four years, and he is taking

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Speaker 6: that mantle and running with it.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Rick, should we take this campaign seriously?

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Speaker 7: You know, I don't think you can take it seriously

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Speaker 7: from the point of view of Joe Biden losing the nomination.

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Speaker 7: I think you can take it seriously from a Democrat,

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Speaker 7: you know, who has credibility with independent voters because he's

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Speaker 7: in the president's own party. Criticizing the president's age, which

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Speaker 7: they care about already, is probably one of the most

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Speaker 7: important things that's driving their vote preference. So this is

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Speaker 7: a horrible thing for Joe Biden, but that kind of

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Speaker 7: set it up for themselves. I mean, this idea of

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Speaker 7: bypassing Iowa, New Hampshire and oh, we're going to start

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Speaker 7: the primary in South Carolina, I mean this is.

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Speaker 3: Like a gift.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if he can't win a state that the

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Speaker 7: president's not even on the ballot, then he should really

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Speaker 7: wrap up his political career. But the bottom line is,

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Speaker 7: you know, it's sort of misstep after misstep by the

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Speaker 7: Biden camp in pain and and and now they've got

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Speaker 7: they got to pay the piper, and and and this

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Speaker 7: is this is not a shock that somebody would come

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Speaker 7: out of there in a different generation who wants to

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Speaker 7: content it, contest us. And by the way, they are

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Speaker 7: dying to get uh uh uh Donald Trump to be

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Speaker 7: the candidate against them next November, because you look at

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Speaker 7: every other match up with people like Nicky Haley and

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Speaker 7: it's a lot worse for President Biden. So I think

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Speaker 7: if they can set this table the way it is now,

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Speaker 7: they'd be happy to try and run. But as you've

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Speaker 7: seen from our own Bloomberg polling, you know, even that

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Speaker 7: is looking pretty grim from a targeted state basis, where

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Speaker 7: in places like Arizona and Georgia, Donald Trump's already got

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Speaker 7: pretty tough fall for the president right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, Dean Phillips said in his interview with CBS Genie

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Speaker 2: that he was alarmed, as the word he used, by

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Speaker 2: the prospect of Donald Trump beating Joe Biden after studying

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Speaker 2: polling data that compelled him to make this move are

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Speaker 2: you alarmed when you look at the numbers.

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Speaker 6: Now very alarmed and the Bloomberg poll showing that in

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Speaker 6: those seven swing states, Donald Trump is beating Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: in five of those, they are tied in one, and

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Speaker 6: Biden assume Joe Biden, I do not, and I agree

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Speaker 6: with Rick. It has long been the view of the

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Speaker 6: Biden folks that get Trump on that ballot. In fact,

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Speaker 6: the only way we can win is against Biden, against

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Speaker 6: Trump rather because we can show him as crazy and

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Speaker 6: him as you know, unable and and somebody who should

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Speaker 6: not be re elected to the presidency. So let's get

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Speaker 6: him on the ballot. But the danger here is is

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Speaker 6: be careful what you wish for, because in these matchups,

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Speaker 6: in this Bloomberg poll, Trump is winning, He is overperforming

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Speaker 6: in those states. It is an enormous concern and the

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Speaker 6: biggest concern for Biden putting Israel, Ukraine. Everything aside is

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Speaker 6: the state of the economy for people in their daily lives,

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Speaker 6: living expenses, inflation, the price of gas, the price of groceries,

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Speaker 6: and housing, mortgages. Young people can't get mortgages. Their mortgages

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Speaker 6: are seven to eight percent, as you know, So you

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Speaker 6: know Boomers are looking at three and four percent because

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Speaker 6: they were lucky enough to get in early. All of

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Speaker 6: that votes very poorly for the president, and they have

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Speaker 6: to take that seriously because those constituencies are critical for

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Speaker 6: them to win, and they are not feeling good about

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Speaker 6: where the economy is right now. It's not to say

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Speaker 6: the president hasn't done some really important things, but the

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Speaker 6: economy is still it and it is not a good

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Speaker 6: sign for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: Rick, we only have a minute left.

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Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about a no Labels candidate, about

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Speaker 2: even Cornell West campaign. Do you put Dean Phillips in

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Speaker 2: the same category as a potential spoiler?

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Speaker 7: No, I mean I think that the reality is he'll

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Speaker 7: be long gone by the time the general election occurs,

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Speaker 7: and people like Cornell West and Robert Kennedy and the

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Speaker 7: no Labels candidates, if they have them, are going to

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Speaker 7: have actual impact on votes that would otherwise be cast

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Speaker 7: for Trump or Biden. So no, he will be the

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Speaker 7: sort of you know, winter candidate, the winter soldier of

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Speaker 7: the Democratic Party, and all of the you know, sort

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Speaker 7: of heroes of the Democratic Party will emerge in January

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Speaker 7: and February and March to ensure that this Winter Soldier

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Speaker 7: gets beat just like it but was a Marvel comic.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's brutal.

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Speaker 4: Rick.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Rick Davis and Jeanie Shanzino, our signature panel

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Speaker 2: in a great conversation on a Friday.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: We learned a lot this week and we live through

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Speaker 2: it with Rick and Jeannie and Kayley's on the way.

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Speaker 2: Next hour two of sound On starts right now.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch the

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Friday, an hour two of Bloomberg Sound On.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington alongside Kaylee Lines.

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Speaker 3: She is with us. Now we made it to the

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Speaker 3: end of the week. It's good to see you. I'm

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Speaker 3: just trusting myself that it is Friday, because I thought

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Speaker 3: that a few times over the last couple of days.

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Speaker 3: It better be.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, at least we got a speaker that got done

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Speaker 2: and we heard from and saw the speaker in action.

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Speaker 2: He sat down with Sean Hannity did an extended interview

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Speaker 2: on Fox in which I learned probably more about Sean

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Speaker 2: Hannity's views on things than the new speaker, But that's

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Speaker 2: sometimes the.

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Speaker 3: Way it goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're going to talk about a couple of

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Speaker 2: the breadcrumbs he left for us here, beginning with a

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Speaker 2: continuing resolution, Kaylee, this is the very thing that basically

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Speaker 2: got Kevin McCarthy fired. That's correct, the short term bill

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Speaker 2: that would keep the government from shutting down in this

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Speaker 2: case on November seventeen. But it sounds like there could

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Speaker 2: be some strings attached to this one.

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Speaker 11: That was his suggestion. He acknowledged that he's working against

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Speaker 11: a clock or they only have about three weeks or

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Speaker 11: so to get something done. So it does seem like

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Speaker 11: a continuing resolution, another stop gap measure is going to

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Speaker 11: be what has to happen while they continue to try

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Speaker 11: to pass single subject appropriations bills. And what he said

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Speaker 11: was you got Byron Donald's and Chip Roy working things out,

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Speaker 11: and there's going to be conditions. We don't exactly know

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Speaker 11: what those might be. The Speaker last night suggested that

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Speaker 11: they would be ones the American people could live with.

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Speaker 11: But basically, Joe, there's going.

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Speaker 3: To be a catch, that's right.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it not sure what that is. It's

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Speaker 2: almost like you watch the interview.

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Speaker 11: All forty one minute.

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Speaker 9: We're going forward, a Chip and Byron are at the

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Speaker 9: table with others. We're working through this with the ideas

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Speaker 9: and trying to ensure that if another stopgap measure is required,

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Speaker 9: that we do it with certain conditions. And I think

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Speaker 9: there will be a conditions that the American people can

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Speaker 9: live with and the consensus that we can build around

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Speaker 9: here in the House.

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Speaker 2: And so this is where we begin our conversation with

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Speaker 2: Congressman Tim Burchett. He's back with us, the Republican from

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Speaker 2: Tennessee's second district.

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Speaker 3: Congressman. It's good to see it.

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Speaker 2: You're probably really glad to be home after the throws

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Speaker 2: of the last weeks here in Washington, d C. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you're glad to have a speaker. And I wonder

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Speaker 2: to what extent we should read into certain conditions and

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Speaker 2: what a package here might look like.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if you want to read too much

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Speaker 12: into all that. The reality is is that a continued

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Speaker 12: resolution was original. I believe the history of it was

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Speaker 12: under an emergency situation and then it just got abused

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Speaker 12: by the swamp or whatever you want to call it

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Speaker 12: both parties. This is an emergency, and I was going

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Speaker 12: to say this could be an emergency.

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Speaker 4: You know that we ran up against the barrier last time.

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Speaker 12: If you remember, we took off as we've done under

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Speaker 12: Democrats and Republicans, the whole month of August and two

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Speaker 12: weeks into September, you know, and we pushed it right

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Speaker 12: up against the September thirtieth deadline.

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Speaker 4: So this is a little different.

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Speaker 12: This speaker had just taken over, and obviously he's getting

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Speaker 12: his feet wet up to about his the top of

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Speaker 12: his hairline, I guess, but he I think he's done

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Speaker 12: pretty well because yesterday passed a very tough appropriations bill.

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Speaker 4: And it got through with.

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Speaker 12: Overwhelming Republican support, which is something you didn't see under

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Speaker 12: the prior speaker. So I think, as I've stated, you

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Speaker 12: got a new sheriff in town. His name is Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 12: and he's.

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Speaker 11: Doing a good job indeed, and I would say he's

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Speaker 11: not necessarily just getting his feet wet. He might have

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Speaker 11: just been thrown right into the deep end. Congressman, as

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Speaker 11: we talk about continuing resolution, which I know historically is

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Speaker 11: something that or an idea, a concept, you haven't been

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Speaker 11: ultra supportive of. What conditions would you need to see

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Speaker 11: in order to vote yay on that bill.

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Speaker 12: I'd like to see some borders, some real border security,

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Speaker 12: not with the President's putting down more bureaucrats to allow

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Speaker 12: illegal aliens to get further into our country and never

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Speaker 12: show up at court, you know, just their permit. And

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Speaker 12: i'd like to see some of these funding single issue

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Speaker 12: funding bills, things like that, I mean, just on down

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Speaker 12: the line. But I think I think he's going about

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Speaker 12: at the right approach. He's asking us his opinion, our

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Speaker 12: opinion and not telling us his opinion, and so I

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Speaker 12: think that's a different style and leadership, something we're not

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Speaker 12: used to. And I think i'm and it's some honesty

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Speaker 12: too that we're not used to.

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Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you're going to have some conversations

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Speaker 2: about the forum that this takes. As he says, Chip

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Speaker 2: Roy and Byron Donald's are authoring something.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how soon you think you're going to

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Speaker 3: see it.

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Speaker 2: But there's also a supplemental budget request worth more than

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Speaker 2: one hundred billion dollars coming your way from the White House,

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Speaker 2: and last evening, Speaker Johnson made it clear that he

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Speaker 2: does not want to address Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan on the

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Speaker 2: border all in one package. I'm going to let our

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Speaker 2: listeners and viewers get a sense of this in his answer, Congressman,

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Speaker 2: and hear your reply.

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Speaker 3: Here's the Speaker.

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Speaker 9: I told the staff the White House today that our

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Speaker 9: consensus among House Republicans is that we need to bifurcate

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Speaker 9: those issues. I agree with your assessment in Ukraine, and

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Speaker 9: that's why the American people are demanding some real accountability

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Speaker 9: for the use of those dollars. Now, we can't allow

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Speaker 9: Vladimir Putin to prevail in Ukraine because I don't believe

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Speaker 9: it would stop there, and it would probably encourage and

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Speaker 9: empower China to perhaps make a move on Taiwan. We

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Speaker 9: have these concerns, We're not going to abandon them. But

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Speaker 9: we have a responsibility of stewardship, responsibility over the precious

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Speaker 9: treasure of the American people, and we have to make

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Speaker 9: sure that the White House is providing the people with

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Speaker 9: some accountability for the dollars.

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Speaker 2: So he said a lot there, Congressman, And I'd like

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Speaker 2: to hear you speak to accountability when it comes to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: What that would look like.

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Speaker 2: What kind of system can be put in place that

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Speaker 2: might make you feel better about accountability and auditing maybe

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Speaker 2: the money that's already been spent.

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Speaker 3: But let's start with Israel.

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Speaker 2: If the Republican Conference, if the speaker brings that to

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Speaker 2: the floor as a standalone, knowing that the is it,

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Speaker 2: the White House don't support it that way, do you

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Speaker 2: worry that that would slow down potentially money getting to Israel?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't you know.

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Speaker 12: They already have pretty much on auto check three point

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Speaker 12: eight billion dollars that we supply we've just sent over.

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Speaker 12: It hasn't been much reported, and it's out in the

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Speaker 12: public domain, so I can talk about it. But there's

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Speaker 12: been two more of the Iron Dome implements have been

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Speaker 12: sent to Israel that we had. We've got the Gerald,

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Speaker 12: our four carrier group probably. I mean, that's the biggest,

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Speaker 12: you know, that's the biggest dog in the park. You

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Speaker 12: put that thing in the Mediterranean, everybody knows it's there,

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Speaker 12: plus six more probably mercenaries on the ground everywhere, And

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Speaker 12: so I think Israel knows where we are and the

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Speaker 12: last thing they really want is our military presence on

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Speaker 12: the ground. There boots on the ground in god So

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Speaker 12: because of our rules of engagement and their rules are

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Speaker 12: totally different.

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Speaker 4: You know, our rules of engagement.

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Speaker 12: At the end of Afghanistan got a bunch of people

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Speaker 12: killed because they wouldn't take out a bomber, a suicide bomber.

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Speaker 12: And I talked to the steiper who had him in

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Speaker 12: his sites twice. What was told by you know, the

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Speaker 12: war pimps at the Pentagon that he couldn't take this

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Speaker 12: guy out. So Israel doesn't need that. But I think

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Speaker 12: Israel knows who we are. But why would you, knowing

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Speaker 12: that there's going to be an objection, why would the

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Speaker 12: President of the United States allow that bill to come

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Speaker 12: out with Ukraine money tied to it? Because he wants

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Speaker 12: to put somebody in a political spot. And that's the

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Speaker 12: only reason we've had. You know, we haven't been doing anything.

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Speaker 4: We haven't.

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Speaker 12: It's been probably the most productive twenty some odd days

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Speaker 12: really if you want to look at overall outcome by

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Speaker 12: electing Mike Johnson our speaker. But what's the Senate been doing?

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Speaker 12: They haven't been doing anything. We haven't even seen this.

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Speaker 12: They haven't even sent the bill over yet, so you know,

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Speaker 12: it's just it's just politics as usual in Washington. Cut

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Speaker 12: the bs. Send three different bills over. Send one with Ukraine,

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Speaker 12: send one with border security, or so called congressman, send

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Speaker 12: one with Israel. That's all you got to do. Three

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Speaker 12: sheets of paper, and yet they want to politicize it

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Speaker 12: and want to try to tie it up. They're the ones,

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Speaker 12: I submit to you, They're the ones tie it up.

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Speaker 12: Let's get the business, let's cut the garbage out and

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Speaker 12: do what's right for the people of Israel.

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Speaker 11: But Congressman, arguably the reason why the White House is

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Speaker 11: trying to tie these together is because there is a

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Speaker 11: certain resistance to you continuing to fund Ukraine within your

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Speaker 11: party in the House of Representatives. Are you saying if

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Speaker 11: the White House were to send three separate packages, that

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Speaker 11: that Ukraine bill could pass on the House floor.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean all the Democrats had vote for it,

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Speaker 12: and you probably you know, we had one hundred I

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Speaker 12: don't know, one hundred and some odd votes I think

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Speaker 12: in favor of Ukraine the last time something came through.

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Speaker 4: That's stupid. Just send it over there. Separate. If they

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Speaker 4: want to really pass it, do it separately.

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Speaker 12: I would vote against Ukraine funding again because there again,

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Speaker 12: it's not our war.

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Speaker 4: Show me the reason we're over.

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Speaker 12: There, if you know, if we're going to say that, look,

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Speaker 12: we got dictators down in Central America that are abusing people.

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Speaker 12: The Chinese are putting the Wiger population in concentration camps.

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Speaker 4: Why are we not going to war with China over it?

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Speaker 12: If we're If we're so ethically challenged on this front, ma'am,

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Speaker 12: this is just policed.

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Speaker 2: I'm not the guy with answers. But the administration says

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Speaker 2: that if Vladimir Putin succeeds in Ukraine, and I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of Republicans on the Hill agree with him,

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Speaker 2: that it would be a national security problem for the

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Speaker 2: United States and our allies in Europe. And is that

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Speaker 2: part of the argument that you disagree with.

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Speaker 4: I disagree with that premise.

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Speaker 12: The GDP of Russia is somewhere between France and Canada.

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Speaker 12: This is a European situation. Let them decide it. Europe

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Speaker 12: needs to be kicking in more money.

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Speaker 4: They're not.

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Speaker 12: They The number two contributor to this whole thing in

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Speaker 12: the beginning was Estonia. We were profiting off of both

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Speaker 12: sides because of me, and we were fund excuse me,

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Speaker 12: we were funding both sides of this war in the

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Speaker 12: beginning because of.

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Speaker 4: The oil situation.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 12: You know, this thing and the shady dealings have been

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Speaker 12: going on between between them and people in Washington had

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Speaker 12: been going on too long.

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Speaker 4: And eventually we'll get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 12: It'll probably our grandkids that you know, have made for

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Speaker 12: TV special or something, if TV is even around then.

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Speaker 12: But I just it's a crooked country and they and

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Speaker 12: and people are getting fat. I get too many reports

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Speaker 12: of stuff from people that are there in Ukraine telling

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Speaker 12: me that the stuff what.

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Speaker 2: About the people who are starving, who are who are dying?

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Speaker 2: That the civilian and death has been overwhelming, has it not?

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Speaker 4: What about this?

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Speaker 12: What about people dying in this country because we don't

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Speaker 12: have the guts to preserve our own or our own board.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to get into it a what

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Speaker 2: about conversation with you? We're just talking about Ukraine.

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Speaker 12: No, I know that, but I'm just saying, you know,

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Speaker 12: our priorities are out of whack. We we put the

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Speaker 12: focus on Ukraine, and yeah, it's awful, but there's stuff

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Speaker 12: going on all over the world that's awful. People are

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Speaker 12: starving to death in Africa. We've got these dictators down

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Speaker 12: in Central America. There's people that are that are being

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Speaker 12: brutalized in Central America, Mexico for instance, on our borders.

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Speaker 4: They're they're at the wheel of the cartels.

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Speaker 12: People getting raped and murdered every day, and yet we're

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Speaker 12: not doing anything about that.

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Speaker 4: But we're all the way off.

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Speaker 11: Congressman. Congressman, there's people being killed in bowling alleys just

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Speaker 11: this past week. What should the response be to yet

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Speaker 11: another mass shooting in the United States.

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Speaker 4: It's a mental health issue.

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Speaker 12: You've got a guy who apparently, from what I understand,

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Speaker 12: got these guns.

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Speaker 4: He was a.

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Speaker 12: Reservist in our own military. There's obviously a problem there.

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Speaker 12: Every The thing that ties into every one of these

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Speaker 12: folks together is mental health issues. It's a mental health crisis.

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Speaker 12: They could do it with a gun, they could do

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Speaker 12: it with a knife, they could do it with an automobile.

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Speaker 12: You remember, the one of the largest mass killings in

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Speaker 12: this country, Oklahoma City, was done with ammonium nitrate fertilizer

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Speaker 12: you could buy at Walmart literally, and diesel fuel and

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Speaker 12: he killed over one hundred people. And so it's just

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Speaker 12: a we've got a mental health issue in this country,

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Speaker 12: and until we address that, this will continue. It'll just

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Speaker 12: move into another avenue. We lose more people to drunk drivers,

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Speaker 12: and then we have the mass shootings. But nobody's wanting

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Speaker 12: outlaw alcohol or cars.

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Speaker 11: All right, Congressmen will on the subject of things that

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Speaker 11: are against the law, or at least people have been

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Speaker 11: accused of breaking the law. Just yesterday, several of your

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Speaker 11: colleagues from New York introduced an expulsion resolution for a Congressman,

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Speaker 11: George Santos, who of course has been indicted on a

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Speaker 11: number of counts. When that comes to the floor next week,

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Speaker 11: would you vote to expel him?

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Speaker 12: Probably not, ma'am. It's we've got a court of law.

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Speaker 12: Let's let it work.

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Speaker 4: It's it's let's let it work.

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Speaker 12: You're still innocent until proven guilty, and you can have

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Speaker 12: dozens of.

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Speaker 4: Accusations you can indict.

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Speaker 12: I remember old Democrat buddy of mine, who was a

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Speaker 12: very prominent lawyer in Nashville and was a state senator

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Speaker 12: as well. He just tell me, said, Tim, you can

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Speaker 12: indict a cheese I am in cheese sandwich, and I

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Speaker 12: never really thought anything of it, but I did, you know,

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Speaker 12: an indictment is just an accusation until he goes to

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Speaker 12: court and is found guilty. That's then that's another issue.

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Speaker 12: But indictment is.

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Speaker 3: Gus as some pretty wild accusations. Though for you is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it a process issue? Would you feel the same

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Speaker 2: way if you had a wider majority.

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Speaker 12: No, I wouldn't change it one bit. It's I mean,

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Speaker 12: and I'll be honest with George is my buddy. George

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Speaker 12: is a friend of mine. You know, I I worry

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Speaker 12: about folks.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I've lost friends to suicide and other things.

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Speaker 4: And you know, and and I don't.

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Speaker 3: Wit to worry for for George Santos.

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Speaker 4: No, but I don't. You never know. You never know.

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Speaker 12: And I always said I always tell him, I say, George,

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Speaker 12: you know, I tell the other guy.

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Speaker 4: I've told other members of Congress.

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Speaker 12: That both parties that have been going through indictments or

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Speaker 12: troubles at home or or things. I say, you know,

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Speaker 12: other kind. I'm a Christian. I'm not a very good one,

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Speaker 12: but I worry about people. I worry about their soul.

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Speaker 3: Congress. I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 4: Sir I wish we had more of it.

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