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Speaker 1: thank the Lord in heaven. This neighbor was paying attention

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Speaker 1: nother can of worms. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Francy Haykes, what about it.

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Speaker 1: It's incredibly disturbing, though not surprised to hear that he

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Speaker 1: This is what we might refer to as a kit

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Speaker 1: Exploitation Prevention and Interdiction. A lure kit. I've heard of

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Speaker 1: killed kits, I've heard of rape kits. A lure kit.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start at the get go guys with me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel. I just can't say it enough.

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Speaker 1: Starting with former FBI Special Agent Jeff Cortez, a renowned

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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst and boys, she's seen it all working out there

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Speaker 1: on Rodeo Drive aka Rodeo A doctor Bethany Marshall joining

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Speaker 1: us from La Francy Haigs, as I said, the National

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Speaker 1: Coordinator for Child Exploitation Prevention and Interdiction, Ashley Wilcot, judge

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer at Ashley Wilcott dot com, joining me right

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Speaker 1: now from WFIE Evansville, Indiana fourteen News. Joseph Peyton, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I hardly know where to start when I

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. Joseph Peyton, fourteen News. What

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Speaker 1: happened and not interstity Evansville, but in a pretty quiet

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Speaker 1: He said hi to her a few times. There's neighbors

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Speaker 1: Peyton is describing Joseph Peyton with fourteen kneews, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to what the mom says, Yeah, like she just

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Speaker 1: all pedophiles are predatory, but this is predatory. This is

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Speaker 1: predatory quality, Nancy. He's grooming her, that's what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy? Brian Williamson just

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Speaker 1: Joseph Peyton, Well, npty. He's had a history. He's a

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Speaker 1: for him for what he's trying to do. And the

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00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: way that the cops are actually able to figure out

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00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: who he was. They start being very observant and they're

429
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Speaker 1: looking at him and they're looking around and they're starting

430
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Speaker 1: to figure out, Okay, things aren't adding up. He's not

431
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: in our system under this fake name that he gives.

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00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: And so they noticed he had a tattoo on his

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Speaker 1: shoulder and it was a tattoo of the Tasmanian Devil,

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00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: and they started running that back and asking people back

435
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 1: at headquarters at the police station, do we have anyone

436
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: that we know has the Tasmanian Devil tattoo on their shoulder?

437
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: And lo and behold they figured out Brian Williamson. Does

438
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: they start looking into it and it matches up. Of course,

439
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: they see the previous conviction. It matches up with the

440
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: call that they're on right there where he's talking to

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Speaker 1: an eight year old little girl, and and that's how

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00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: they were They were able to identify him pretty quickly

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00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: at that point in time. Well, during all this, where

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00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: was mommy? Did she come out from the vacuum cleaner?

445
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Did she notice cops were in the backyard? Mom is

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00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: inside at hey man, it's it's a really small front

447
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: yard and at a really small house. And really you

448
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: could you could probably hear a lot of what was

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Speaker 1: going on if a child was outside playing and being loud,

450
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: but a small, quiet conversation that she was probably having

451
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: with Brian Williamson, the mom wouldn't have been able to

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00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: hear that. And so the mom says she was inside

453
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: just doing normal things in the kitchen. It was about

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Speaker 1: six seven o'clock in the evening, and yeah, she was

455
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: just outside planning with trampoline for fifteen twenty minutes, and

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Speaker 1: you know this happened. Well, you know what I can't

457
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: say in all honesty, I can't say that my children

458
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Speaker 1: have never gone in the yard. And I came in

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00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: to do X Y or Z, get a drink, get

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00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: a treat for the dog, I turn off the stove.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what, so before I rail on the

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Speaker 1: mom too much, we've all done it. I think we've

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00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: all done it, and that includes me. So okay, this

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00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: is what I'm gathering, Joseph Peyton that this guy not

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Speaker 1: only had an open arrestaurant in Tennessee from the Dunlight

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Speaker 1: Police Department, but also he had the child molestation conviction

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Speaker 1: in Indiana. So that's telling me he had more than one.

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00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: Let me just say you formistically brush with the law

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00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace a small front and backyard.

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Speaker 1: Mom is inside just a matter of fifteen twenty minutes,

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Speaker 1: and it's around six or seven o'clock. That means it's

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Speaker 1: still daylight. You know, I've got another question to you,

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. We know that he has this guy,

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Speaker 1: Brian Williamson approached the eighth the same eight year old

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Speaker 1: little girl three times at least. How do I know

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00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: there's not more? How do I know he hasn't already

477
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: molested her in some way, and not only that they're

478
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: like roaches, sexific child sex offenders if they have If

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00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: he has been approaching this little girl three times, I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you there are others. Like a route, where there's one,

481
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: you see one, there's a hundred, you just can't see them. Well, Nancy,

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00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: the research backs this up that there are multiple victims,

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Speaker 1: especially when you have an extra familial offender, meaning this

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Speaker 1: little girl is not a part of his primary family,

485
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: and you have an intrafamilial offender, meaning he molested a

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Speaker 1: three year old who is his own biological relative. When

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00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: you have intrafamilial offenders, the offender the victim count goes

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Speaker 1: way up. So yes, we have multiple victims. And also

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Speaker 1: even if he didn't touch her, just the fact that

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Speaker 1: he approached her seduced her and she engaged in conversations

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Speaker 1: with him. She knows he's creepy. I mean, she began

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Speaker 1: to become a victim before he ever laid a finger

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Speaker 1: on her, So she is already a victim. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's also interesting Doctor Bethany Marshall and Anity Shrink. I

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00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: may need a whole team from Vienna on this one.

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Speaker 1: I feel that somehow that the fact that she had

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Speaker 1: a cast on her foot, that purple cast. I feel

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00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: that in some way that ties into him picking her

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Speaker 1: because I mean, look at, for instance, Cherish Perriwinkle, her

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Speaker 1: mom raining Periwinkle Cheras, she was taken out of a

501
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: superstore buy a perp, brutally, brutally tortured and murdered. He

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00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: picked her out because she had a problem. She was

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00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: in an underprivileged family, a single mom who was overburdened

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00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: at that moment, trying to buy clothes for three all

505
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: little bitty girls didn't have enough money. He picked her out.

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Speaker 1: Like a hawk up in the sky spots a rat

507
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: under a leaf. They see an infirmity, they see a

508
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: problem and issue a deficiency, and they zone in on

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Speaker 1: that child. I think that's absolutely true. But not only that,

510
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: but it gives gives him something to talk about. Oh

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00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: tell me about your cast. Oh what did you do

512
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Speaker 1: to your foot? Oh can I autograph your cast? I

513
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: mean there's two layers to it. A little girl who's

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00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: in her front yard on a trampoline without the parents,

515
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: so extremely vulnerable, and she now cannot run away. I

516
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: mean she is a sitting duck. So yes, I do

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00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: think that they prey on children who have vulnerabilities, and

518
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: not just sadly a child with a cast on their leg,

519
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: but children who have maybe mental defects, are anxious, shy,

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00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: unable to defend themselves. Oh, Nancy. They prey on whole

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00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: families who are vulnerable, like single moms, and as you

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00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: pointed out, families who don't have enough money. Anything that

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00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: makes the family weaker in society makes them more attractive

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Speaker 1: target for the perpetrator. Joseph Peyton fourteen needs fie question

525
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: to you. We know of at least three prior instances

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00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: where this convicted child sex offender, Brian Williamson, age thirty one,

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00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: had approached this little girl three priors. This would make

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00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: the four mom and daddy on those instances, because I mean,

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00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not a mathematician, but in my mind this

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00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: means there are now four instances of this child being unsupervised,

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Speaker 1: unwatched while a convicted sex predator gets close enough to

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00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: her to get her phone. It's around her long enough

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00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: to download an app. And who knows what else? Am I?

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00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: Am I wrong in my math? Or is this not

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00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: the fourth time she has been unsupervised? And this perv

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00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: is around this little angel. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And

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00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: what's wild about it is when I was talking with

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00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: the mother, she had no idea this was, you know,

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00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: another encounter that she had with this man, until after

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00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: it had already happened. Of course, this little eight year

541
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: old girl didn't think to even tell her mom. You know,

542
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: obviously you heard the mom say in the story there

543
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: that she thought this man was a friend. Now she

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00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: did mention it to her grandmother, is what the mom

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00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: told me. The little girl had had a conversation with

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00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: her grandmother that you know, a man said hi to her.

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00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: But people just must not have thought that there was

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00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: anything too it. Obviously, people in the neighborhood that were

549
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: watching thought maybe this is a little bit suspicious, but

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00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: they must have just given this man the benefit of

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Speaker 1: the doubt. And one other thing I wanted to mention

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00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: that is even more scary about this, since there's a

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00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: four foot fence in this yard, but the trampoline fits

554
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: even with that fence. So really, if this man was

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00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: sitting right in front of her as she's on the

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00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: trampline talking to her, there was nothing preventing him from

557
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: just going ahead and grabbing her and taking her wherever

558
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: he wanted to. I've managed to get to the bottom

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00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: of a few more facts about Brian Eugene Williamson. He

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00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: is classified as a violent against children's sexual offender. He's

561
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: been convicted of child less station in Indiana. In April,

562
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: he was arrested by the Dunlap Police Department for indecent exposure.

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00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: He was released from custody on that offense just a

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00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: few months ago. And here he turns up in Evansville, Indiana,

565
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: approaching an eight year old little girl. What what? What? What?

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Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott. This is the fourth instance of this little

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00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: eight year old girl being unsupervised that we know of.

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00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: And I find it very hard to believe. One of

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00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: the few math classes that I remotely liked with statistics, okay, statistically,

570
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: I find it very hard to believe that on four

571
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: occasions only he managed to find this little girl and

572
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: have conversation with her and get close enough to download

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00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: apps on her phone. How many times has he been

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00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: around her? What may have happened that we don't know about. Well,

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00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: that's what really worries me, is especially to do the

576
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: downloading of apps. It means that a parent is not

577
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: just saying like all of us do, like, Oh, it's okay,

578
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: they're out playing on the trampoline. I'm gonna vacuum real

579
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: quick and then grab them. All of us do those

580
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: things with our kids. However, it had to have been

581
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: to an extent that he had the opportunity. These perpetrators

582
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: picked their victims. They prey on those who are vulnerable.

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00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: He knew he had already identified that this little girl

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00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: was left alone more than once was available for him

585
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: to not only see, not only sit next to, but

586
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: to spend time grooming. And that's the problem. This child

587
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: was vulnerable because he knew she was left alone too often,

588
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: too long, and he could groom her to Joseph Peyton

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00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: fourteen years w FIE, Evansville, Indiana. What now? Where is he?

590
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: Right now? He's being held without bond in the Vadeberg

591
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: County jail. And after the search warrants came out and

592
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: they found all these images on his phone day, they

593
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: bumped his charges up. He's facing federal charges now, so

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00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: of course he could serve a pretty steep penalty for

595
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: all of this. So right now he's not going anywhere.

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00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: They're keeping him without bond in the VanderBurg County Jail,

597
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: where he belongs. If you have any information on this

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00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: or any other offense toward a child, or if you're

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00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: eating suspicious dial one eight hundred four a child one

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four two two four four five two Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,