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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off

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Speaker 1: live right here on Giants dot Com, presented by Corps Light.

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Speaker 1: We're back at our normal time after our four thirty

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Speaker 1: or so show yesterday. We hope you enjoyed it. It's

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Speaker 1: on the side that's up on the podcast network as well.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you check it out today. It's Schmelkin, Lance

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Speaker 1: Meadow talking football with you and I wonder what you

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Speaker 1: gonna want to talk about it five on three hashtag

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Speaker 1: Giants Chat and Lance. We'll start here because I got

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Speaker 1: most of my thoughts out on the trade last night, uh,

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Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon when we were on the show, and you

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Speaker 1: weren't on yet to talk about it, so I want

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Speaker 1: to give you the opportunity. But before we do that,

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure the fans understand exactly

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Speaker 1: what the Giants acquired and what they sent out. Um

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Speaker 1: the rumored Vernon Zeitler trade and Beckham trade ended up

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Speaker 1: being one big trade. So the Giants sent Odell Beckham Jr.

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Speaker 1: And Olivia Vernon to the Cleveland Browns. In return, they

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Speaker 1: get Kevin Zeitler, Jibbrol Peppers, the Browns first round pick,

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Speaker 1: which is seventeenth overall and the Patriots third round pick,

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Speaker 1: which the Browns had previously acquired from New England, um

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Speaker 1: which is the overall pick. Was that the Jamie Collins move.

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Speaker 1: That the right, That's what the Giants got from the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns for Odell Beckham Jr. And Olivier Vernon. Again,

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Speaker 1: you heard my take yesterday, Lance, What do you think, boy,

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Speaker 1: there's so many different try to hold five minutes. Well,

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Speaker 1: I will start off with this personally, and this is

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Speaker 1: just my personal opinion. I was surprised. I did not

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Speaker 1: see that coming like many. I thought that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham certainly was being able to maneuver through the

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Speaker 1: storm of all the rumors as well as the organization.

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Speaker 1: And we hear a lot about chatter over the course

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Speaker 1: of an off season, and there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: chatter with the Browns. There was. There was a lot.

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Speaker 1: And you know, where they're smoked, there's fire, as the

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Speaker 1: old cliche, I think, and once again this is my

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Speaker 1: interpretation of the Giants. I don't think they went into

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Speaker 1: the off season John saying we're going to move Odell Beckham.

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Speaker 1: I think they kept their options open like any general

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Speaker 1: manager should, and whenever Dave Gentleman had conversations with other executives.

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Speaker 1: I believe the mindset was making me an offer. I'll listen,

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Speaker 1: and he's no harm doing. He invited calls, he was

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Speaker 1: not making the calls. Those are two different things, and

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Speaker 1: you have to do your due diligence. John is an executive.

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Speaker 1: You've got to always think about how can I improve

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Speaker 1: the team? And and then I think it got to

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Speaker 1: the point where you know, Cleveland updates offer and gave

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Speaker 1: the Giants some food for thought. Now connected to that,

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Speaker 1: here's an important thing. On one side, you could say,

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Speaker 1: from a fans perspective, I'm disappointed Odell Beckham was a

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Speaker 1: guy that I was so tied into, so passionate too,

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Speaker 1: and you're upset to see him go. Totally understand. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, John, you can also say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, the Giants got good value in return for him. See,

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Speaker 1: those to me are not synonymous with one another. No,

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Speaker 1: you can. You can separate viewpoints and both things can

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Speaker 1: social media, I'm gonna rehash it on today's program because

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Speaker 1: everybody who follows the show was on social media, but

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Speaker 1: I went back and I looked at some of the

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Speaker 1: recent top caliber wide receivers in my opinion, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not here to debate Odell Beckham versus Antonio Brown if

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Speaker 1: if you guys and gals want to have that debate,

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Speaker 1: saving for another program, I'm talking about. These are all

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Speaker 1: premier wide receivers in my opinion, guys that made an

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Speaker 1: the last two years. March two thousand seventeen, Brandon Cooks

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Speaker 1: John was traded to New England with a two thousand

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Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen the Saints for Brandon Cooks. Jarvis

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Speaker 1: the Patriots got that? The Patriot Patriots? Yes, well no, no no,

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Speaker 1: this I'm I'm going back to when Cooks was traded

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Speaker 1: the initial trades. How that you changes? Now? That's fine?

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Speaker 1: Now you changes once the guys moved multiple times Landry

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Speaker 1: to perhaps helped bring back better values. So when you

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I get it because I hear

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Speaker 1: from Giants fans all the time, John, you do too.

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Speaker 1: Giants fans only look at it through their lens. And

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Speaker 1: I understand that fan is short for fanatical, So I

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Speaker 1: you're analyzing a team and analyzing a trade, you can't

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Speaker 1: just look at it what it means for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I think you've got to look at it, well, what

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Speaker 1: does it mean for the NFL? What has the market

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Speaker 1: been like John, what has been similar value for wide receivers? Instead,

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Speaker 1: the conversation is how does it impact the Giants? How

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Speaker 1: does it only look at Ldell Beckham and his value.

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Speaker 1: You can't look it in a bubble. I just can't.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's exactly what I said yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: funny that we both came out to the exactly and

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Speaker 1: So this deliance was just not serious and he just

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Speaker 1: just wide receiver trades Lands, you look at every star

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Speaker 1: of a star player, you do not see a return

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Speaker 1: that's significantly better than this. You could argue that clear

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Speaker 1: Mac return was a little bit better, but the Bears

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Speaker 1: also to give back a two in that trade, so

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Speaker 1: then trade the guy You got more for him because

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Speaker 1: he was under a long term contract. If you're training

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that the Browns now control him

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Speaker 1: for a team coming off a five eleventh season. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that that's my opinion. That's an excellent point, John,

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Speaker 1: But I'll even keep it within the wide receiver conversation.

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Speaker 1: so that impacted. Why don't you think Miami, you know,

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Speaker 1: gotta work out a new deal with Jarvis Landry. I

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Speaker 1: right John? So Oakland, Mike Mayock, first time GM. He's

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Speaker 1: saying to Kevin Colbert, Yeah, I understand you guys want

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Speaker 1: but you're still not having the flexibility to address other needs.

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Speaker 1: you read the article, if you go to the New

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Speaker 1: York Post and Paul Schwartz's article this morning, I think

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Speaker 1: he did a really good job kind of going through

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Speaker 1: it and balancing both sides of it. So take a look,

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Speaker 1: give it a read. That's kind of our take. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's do your calls at two, five, one, three, and again,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, great job yesterday, guys. I

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Speaker 1: know we started later than we were supposed to. We

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Speaker 1: had a full bank and calls the whole show. We

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Speaker 1: have a full bank now and we'll take your calls

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Speaker 1: all long. Let's do this. Scott New Mexico will lead

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Speaker 1: us off. What Scott, Hi, guys, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to relitigate all the moves that were

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Speaker 1: being made. Uh. One thing that I've been watching a

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Speaker 1: number of the shows on ESPN and the NFL network,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people are are vilifying Dave Gentleman

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Speaker 1: right and left, and I have a different slant on

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. Um, you know, people look at Dave Gentleman.

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Speaker 1: They think they look at him as a saint and

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Speaker 1: he can do no wrong, and then they look at

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Speaker 1: him as a devil and uh, and he can do

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Speaker 1: no right. And he's neither a saint nor a devil.

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Speaker 1: He's a man, and he makes mistakes. He made some

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Speaker 1: mistakes in the beginning of the season. I think that

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Speaker 1: are acknowledged with him, Momma and with Stewart and maybe

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Speaker 1: thinking that the Giants had more on the table than

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Speaker 1: they really did, especially when he came out and when

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Speaker 1: the reporter asked him, you're going to win. You know,

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Speaker 1: this team was built to it now and obviously it

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Speaker 1: wasn't what Scott. Look the bottom line is and this

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Speaker 1: all built to win now thing last year. Did Dave

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Speaker 1: Geentleman make moves to try to win last year? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he did. He did. No one's arguing that.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't make those moves and it's too and

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Speaker 1: jeopardize the future in the process, you know what I mean, right?

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Speaker 1: But my point is this, and I think both of

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Speaker 1: you have acknowledged it. And I wanted to get and

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Speaker 1: I know you have a lot of calls, so I'll

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Speaker 1: try to keep it short. Uh. Both videos said that

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Speaker 1: Dave Geentleman really doesn't give him. I'll use this word.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't give a damn about what people think. As

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Speaker 1: a manager and as a former manager, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's necessary a good character trade. I think he needs

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Speaker 1: to take in other opinions. Maybe he does, but the

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Speaker 1: opinion that sometimes I get is that he doesn't do that.

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Speaker 1: He's his own man, and that does bother me a little.

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Speaker 1: We'll Scott thanks to the calling, by the way different.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that first of all, I

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Speaker 1: want to let you know we're gonna try to do

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Speaker 1: rapid fire to him. The calls. Man, We're gonna want

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Speaker 1: to get a lot in. We're gonna go an hour.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure I get as many in

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Speaker 1: as I can. So try to make your big point.

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Speaker 1: Either ask your question and make your comment. Will let

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Speaker 1: you go unless you do something factually wrong, and then

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Speaker 1: which case will correct you. Will let you go. Say

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. And then we want to

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Speaker 1: get onto as many calls as possible. Dave Gettleman, when

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Speaker 1: I when we say he doesn't give it, you know

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Speaker 1: what about what other people think? I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: talking heads on TV. I'm talking about the people on

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Speaker 1: the outside. He talks to Kevin Abrahams, he talks to

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Speaker 1: more CON's, he talks to Kenny Sternfeld and the other

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Speaker 1: people in the pro personel department. He talks to Chris

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Speaker 1: Pettitt and the people in the draft room. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: just take all their advice and information and throw it

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Speaker 1: in a trashman and do whatever he wants. That's not

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. I'm talking about the heat that

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Speaker 1: you're talking about. You know you're watching the NFL network. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I got ripped off all this and that, this and that.

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Speaker 1: If you think he cares with some former player or

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Speaker 1: reporter says in NFL network about what he's doing, that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't care about. He does care about what the

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Speaker 1: people in the building are saying and giving him advice

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Speaker 1: on what he should do, because that's their job and

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Speaker 1: that's what he paced them for. Yeah, those are the

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Speaker 1: people you trust. Those are the people who should be

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Speaker 1: listening to You shouldn't be scrolling through Twitter and listening

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Speaker 1: to the social media gms. That's what we essentially mean

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Speaker 1: by that. And I would say that philosophy should be

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Speaker 1: adopted by every single general manager in the NFL, not

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Speaker 1: just Dave Getleman. He's not on an island. For example,

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Speaker 1: the Raiders are still receiving criticism as criticism as we

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Speaker 1: mentioned about Khalil Mack. I mean, do you think that

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Speaker 1: they're losing sleep over what the feedback is coming in

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Speaker 1: even to this day. No. They did what they thought

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Speaker 1: was good for the well being of the franchise. And

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Speaker 1: that's exactly how I think Dave Gettlman interpreted. I understand

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of fans that may be irritated, and

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a polarizing type of move, but

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Speaker 1: he's going to do what's good for the franchise and

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Speaker 1: listen to the feedback from the individuals around him who

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Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and he's put them in positions

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Speaker 1: to do that, not necessarily individuals that just have an opinion, because,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, opinions or like body parts. And I'll

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Speaker 1: use the PG. Thirteen version, everybody's got one doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you put s ups. It's behind the ball. Do a one, five,

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Speaker 1: one three. Chris joins us next on Big Blue Kick

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Speaker 1: Off Live. What's up Chris, Hey, What's up? John Lance? Lance?

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Speaker 1: Great job? On the NFL Radio two. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Joy over there, thanks for tuning in. I thought you're

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Speaker 1: a mediocre. But that's okay, you know you you open

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Speaker 1: that up for him to say a comic. While I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the feedback, I thank you for giving him more

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Speaker 1: material fanness. I won with mediocre, which is usually a

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Speaker 1: lot more compliment you than I usually go. I've heard

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Speaker 1: a lot worse actually, so yeah, so I'm okay. I'll

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Speaker 1: make it rapid fire. You know, I'm torn, just like

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Speaker 1: a lot of fans. I can see it both ways.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to turn the page now. It's almost gonna

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Speaker 1: be two days, so you know it's gonna be time

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Speaker 1: for us to move on. Uh. You know the media

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Speaker 1: has said quite a bit since this all went down,

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Speaker 1: or actually since yesterday about now look for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: You know, part's gonna get be getting beaten up. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna have eight in the box. Well, just to your point,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I really called John, you made the

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Speaker 1: point already. I mean the Giants with the four games

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Speaker 1: without odell Um, you know, they put up some point.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a lot of double tight end

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Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, a lot more motion. You

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Speaker 1: know they're gonna move Barkley around. My concern right now is,

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Speaker 1: you know, the best receiver out there available as Golden Tate. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe there's a play for him, because right

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Speaker 1: now we don't have a number one, and I would

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Speaker 1: think Golden Tape would would really uh be like having

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Speaker 1: another number two with Shepherd. But um, and then my

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Speaker 1: last and my last point and then I'll get off,

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Speaker 1: get out of your way. Uh. It'll be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see John when you interview Peppers and Zeitler what their

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Speaker 1: reactions were when both of those trades went down. Thanks again, guys,

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Speaker 1: Thank you Chris. And you know the problem and this

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Speaker 1: is what we've seen. Golden Tate is is very strong,

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Speaker 1: shephardy in terms of his size and how he plays

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Speaker 1: and where you want to use him. And he's a

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Speaker 1: good player. I like Golden did I talked about when

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Speaker 1: the Eagles acquired him last year. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a nice move. I think he's a real good player.

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Speaker 1: But does he compliment what you already have on the roster.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. I like him, I think

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Speaker 1: he's a heck of a player. Well, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think that he wouldn't necessarily be the ideal compliment.

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Speaker 1: I think you're maybe duplicating. But I also go back

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Speaker 1: to what we were talking about earlier, John with respect

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Speaker 1: to Gettleman's philosophy. When he built up Carolina, he parts

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Speaker 1: way with Steve Smith, who was much older than Oldell Beckham.

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Speaker 1: I'm not making that comparison. And then he drafted Kelvin Benjamin,

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Speaker 1: and he drafted you know, the Devin Funciuses of the world.

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Speaker 1: So he went younger. I could see the Giants maybe

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Speaker 1: now looking at a wide receiver through the draft, which

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Speaker 1: to me makes a lot more said. Here's an additional

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Speaker 1: question for you and this pot I didn't talk about

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Speaker 1: this yesterday. We did talk about wide receivers in the

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Speaker 1: draft yesterday. This popped in my head this morning. If

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Speaker 1: this team really wants to play big and run a

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Speaker 1: lot of play action and work that way, they have

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Speaker 1: the second first round pick. Now, if T J. Hockenson's

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Speaker 1: sitting there at seven, team, he's a two way tight

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Speaker 1: end that blocks is a really good receiver. If you're

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Speaker 1: really gonna run out two tight ends sixties of the snaps,

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Speaker 1: you can spit him out wide and third and long

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Speaker 1: have Ingram in one slot of Hockinson and the other.

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Speaker 1: Is that something you think about? Look what the Eagles

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Speaker 1: Doda Zach gert day of Dallas Daughter. Is that something

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Speaker 1: the Giants should think about. It's a strong tight end draft.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't pick Hopkinson, maybe you pick IRV Smith

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Speaker 1: with the six picking in the second round. Is that

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Speaker 1: something that you think about now after this trade has happened,

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Speaker 1: Because it's not it's not a wide receiver weapon, but

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Speaker 1: it's certainly somebody that you can't cover one on one

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Speaker 1: if you pick one of these top tight ends. I wonder.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting thought. I'm just wondering, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to refresh my memory. Got it was the

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Speaker 1: overall picks the second rounder. Are you maximizing the value

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Speaker 1: of one of your first round picks by taking a

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Speaker 1: tight end? And that's a fair question. That's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: It was a first round pick, So I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that it's just based on position. John, It's just you

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Speaker 1: already invested a first round pick recently in Ingram. I

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Speaker 1: just I don't know if that would be fully maximizing

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Speaker 1: the value. I get your point. And here's my other concern, coaches.

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Speaker 1: GMS players are not forever. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: love drafting a player simply because of your offensive philosophy.

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Speaker 1: I think that's it's my concern about and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to get off topic, but it's someone of my

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Speaker 1: concern about. This chatter that won't die down that Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury loves Kyler Murray because of his system. Well, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you this. What if they turn around and

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Speaker 1: they get rid of Kingsbury after two years, Now you're

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Speaker 1: stuck with a quarterback John who now the new head

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Speaker 1: coach may not love never draft a guy because of

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Speaker 1: your infatuation with your sister. All right, well, let me

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Speaker 1: let me give a follow up. What if they get

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Speaker 1: the seventeen and he's the highest graded player on there, Well,

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Speaker 1: then I'm fine with if it equates the value. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, and he might he might be. Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah has him is the sixth best player in the

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Speaker 1: draft on his board. He's a really good football player,

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Speaker 1: so you would be okay with it if he has

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Speaker 1: the highest individual grade. He has to have the highest

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Speaker 1: individual and I agree, I wouldn't pick him if I

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Speaker 1: have somebody else rated higher at that time. That's not

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Speaker 1: the point I was trying to make, And well, I

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Speaker 1: didn't take it that way. I think with Beckham here,

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Speaker 1: I would have ruled out taking a wide receiver or

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Speaker 1: tight end at that point because I think you have

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Speaker 1: so many weapons they're never gonna get on the field.

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Speaker 1: Changes the diner, right. So now I think it's a

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Speaker 1: consideration if he's your best value. Before I don't think

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Speaker 1: he was. And by the way, it's six, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he would have been your best value, but it's seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a different conversation. Maybe it's no offense too.

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Speaker 1: What if he's the highest graded player at seventeen who

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Speaker 1: ran basically wide receiver times and wide receiver three cone

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Speaker 1: times at the combine. So just something I thought of

643
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: this morning in passing well. And a lot of teams

644
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Speaker 1: are going to two tight end sets and two versatile

645
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Speaker 1: tight ends. I think Philadelphia is an excellent example. I

646
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Speaker 1: really like what the Eagles have done. But you just

647
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Speaker 1: think of god Or as a second rounder. They didn't necessarily,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I think, knowing they already had rd's

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Speaker 1: on the roster, it's the first round pick. You I

650
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Speaker 1: think he was a second round pick two, right, I

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Speaker 1: may have been a second round pick two two five

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Speaker 1: one thing just food for thought as we now, and boy,

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Speaker 1: you will be a lot of draft talk before with

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Speaker 1: all these extra picks. Even more, we got a million

655
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Speaker 1: guys we're gonna have to talk about. We're gonna we're

656
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Speaker 1: starting to book all these school interviews by the way,

657
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Speaker 1: So oh boy, we got a lot of draft picks

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Speaker 1: to worry about. Second round, the thirty overall back back

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Speaker 1: end of the second round. We don't remind you that

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Speaker 1: big kick off life is presented by cores Light. Download

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Speaker 1: Gary in Virginia is up next. Hey Gary, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing? What's up? Gary? Right? Gary, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 1: I just want to take a different look at at

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Speaker 1: the loss. I'm a big geentleman fan. I think what

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Speaker 1: he's doing is unpopular, but I think he's doing the

667
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Speaker 1: right things. The three big losses is Collins, Vernon and O'Dell.

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Speaker 1: And I think with the trades we can almost replace

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Speaker 1: him with Peppers. Um Collins might be a little better,

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Speaker 1: but Peppers is rising and he is. Honestly, Gary, I

671
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: looked at the tape. And look, I didn't watch a

672
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Speaker 1: lot of Browns football last year, so I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what I was gonna get into when I started watching Peppers.

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Speaker 1: When I watched him, uh, I think he can be

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Speaker 1: He at it this way. He has the physical tools

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00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 1: to be a better player than Landon Collins. And I'll

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Speaker 1: leave it at that. Ye And then if you know

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Speaker 1: the sixth pick, if if if Josh Allen slides, I

679
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: mean doesn't take you know, he only has to slide.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you us you know, I would say he

681
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Speaker 1: might be better than Vernon. We could call it even.

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Speaker 1: And then you take a guy like Metcap at seventeen

683
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Speaker 1: that replaces. Now, you're not gonna replace O'Dell, but but

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Speaker 1: you know, at least it's another number one pick. And

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Speaker 1: then you also have Zeisler and a third rounder and

686
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Speaker 1: and and all that money. So I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think I think it was a good I think it

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Speaker 1: was a good move. That's all I got for you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Gary, based on the history. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how sould I am on a wide receiver that's

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Speaker 1: in the first round. I do think they'll be looking

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Speaker 1: for one somewhere in the draft, and I think Functious

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Speaker 1: was a second round pick for Dave Gentleman. If I

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Speaker 1: recall sounds about right. Um, so you will pick a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, and I think you're gonna look for some

696
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: of the bigger guys too. I know people have talked

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Speaker 1: about Penny Hard and stuff like that, and and Andy

698
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Speaker 1: Isabella and players like that. But you know, look a

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Speaker 1: look at the Hikim Butler's of the world. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: Kiel Harry is another bigger guy. Uh. Hunter Renfroe is

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00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: another bigger guy. I think that's the type of wide

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Speaker 1: receiver to play that exposition that you'll be keeping an

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Speaker 1: eye on in the draft. But look, you want someone

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Speaker 1: to get an open sides the side you're gonna pick

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Speaker 1: the better wide receiver and not picking the toll guys

706
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Speaker 1: talent overall. But I would still think up front, up front,

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Speaker 1: up front that first, and a lot of people think

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Speaker 1: to oh, you get the two picks, now train up

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Speaker 1: for a quarterback. I pumped the brakes if there, if

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Speaker 1: he's sitting there at six, that's one thing I'm open

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Speaker 1: to it. I don't know if I like trading off.

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Speaker 1: I know people are gonna kill me for that. Remember

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Speaker 1: I'm not anti quarterback. I won the quarterback. I wanted

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Speaker 1: bit the quarterback last year. But there's so many talented

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Speaker 1: players in this draft. Lands to use two picks now

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Speaker 1: to get a quarterback, I don't know. It's a lot

717
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Speaker 1: of real estate. It goes back to the main reason

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Speaker 1: why I think they made the Beckham deal is to

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Speaker 1: address multiple needs, not necessarily just one. And get at

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Speaker 1: it in the press release yesterday too by and it

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Speaker 1: makes sense wide receiver to me, it's not the height,

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Speaker 1: it's how they can play and how you could utilize them.

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Speaker 1: There's some smaller guys that could also plan the outside,

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Speaker 1: So you know, that's how I think the Giants need

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Speaker 1: to evaluate the receiving corps just real quickly. Of the

726
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Speaker 1: last caller sentiments, Josh Allen play an NFL snapper two

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Speaker 1: before we say he's much better than Vernon, and I

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Speaker 1: understand the point that he was making, but when you

729
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: hear it, you start to cringe. Same thing with Metcalf,

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Speaker 1: not that he was saying he was going to offset

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Speaker 1: Beckham immediately, but let these guys get on the field, John,

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Speaker 1: before we all of a sudden give grades on trades,

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Speaker 1: the immediacy, the lack of patients in saying we've got

734
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Speaker 1: to have a winner and a loser. You know what,

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Speaker 1: it would be great if both teams could look back

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, Cleveland got some good quality out of this,

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Speaker 1: and the Giants got good quality out of it, because

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Speaker 1: you know, Cleveland's a franchise that's looking to rise through

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Speaker 1: the rankings, and the Giants obviously are trying to you know,

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Speaker 1: recraft and retool this roster, which clearly after the last

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Speaker 1: few seasons you realize needs help on both defense and offense.

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Speaker 1: And I know the last time we were on together

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Speaker 1: we had the debate, transformation was the word we settled on. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I think you're a little inching a little bit

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Speaker 1: closer to rebuild at this point. Well you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean here, here's gonna be a whole other conversation. I

747
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: know we want to get but I want to I

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Speaker 1: want to say this real quickly, why I'm still against

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Speaker 1: the whole rebuilding philosophy. For of all, we've seen teams

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Speaker 1: go from last to first real quickly. And that's not

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Speaker 1: to make a case for the Giants to have a

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00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: magical season. I'm not bringing up the Bears, for example,

753
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: went from last the first John and that happened real quickly.

754
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: But Indianapolis, to me is a good example. Who would

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Speaker 1: have thought the Coats John got a relatively young roster.

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00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: Don't tell me it's full of superstars that you can say,

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00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: oh you want about well, Andrew Luck got back to

758
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: full health. They invested a lot in the draft, you

759
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: know what. I think a lot of those guys exceeded expectations.

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Speaker 1: They drafted Darius Leonard, they drafted Quinn Nelson, they drafted

761
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Speaker 1: but those are unproven NFL commodities. You can't tell me

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Speaker 1: you know for sure what they were gonna do. And

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00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: and Matt eber Flus was working with come on, outside

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Speaker 1: of Leonard, John who was on that defense. No, you're

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Speaker 1: right in Indianapolis. One game, and I think I'm more

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Speaker 1: okay using the word rebuild because I don't think it

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00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: has the connotations that other people do. I think some

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Speaker 1: people when they say rebuild, think that means you're tanking,

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Speaker 1: and that's not what's happening. And I'll be very clear

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00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: about that, that's not what's happening now. I think the

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00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: turnover with the roster, when trade current stars for future selections,

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Speaker 1: I think I understand why you would want to use

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Speaker 1: that term. But the Giants are still going to try

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00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: to compete this year. They're gonna try to win football games,

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00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: and they're gonna make moves to try to win football games. Okay,

776
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Now is it harder without having an Ode Beckham Junior

777
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: on your roster? Sure, no one's gonna argue that he's

778
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: a good football player, but is that going to be

779
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: the case in two years? They're still gonna try to

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Speaker 1: win games this year, folks, they are I know you

781
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: might not care or believe it, but they are still

782
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: gonna do everything they can to win as many football

783
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Speaker 1: games as possible. In an Tonio Manhattan is up next? Antonio, Hey,

784
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: what's going on? Is? Uh? It's a tough day for me. Man.

785
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: I am not heartbroken, and I understand that Antonio bleed

786
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: for us, bleed with your heart. What do you got

787
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: given him? A just wanted to ask you guys. So

788
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: I know you guys are given us another satisferspective, but

789
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you guys personally, do you

790
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: agree with the trade? Yes or no? That simple yes

791
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: or no. I don't think it is a yes or

792
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: no question to Antonio. Do I understand the trade, Yes,

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00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: I do. I know you. You guys clearly have understand

794
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: the trade and seeing the perspective, I even see the perspective.

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Speaker 1: I just want to know if you guys agree with it. Honestly,

796
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: if been GM, if the Browns called me and asked

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00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: me if I would have done this trade quite honestly,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, I think you heard Paul yesterday,

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Speaker 1: he might have a different answer. I would have done

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00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: the trade. Yes. Yeah. From a value standpoint, I have

801
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: no issue. I told you. From a personal standpoint, I

802
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: was surprised. I I really didn't see that coming. But

803
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: when you evaluate the value compared to other wide receiver deals,

804
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to sit here when you look

805
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: across the league and say, Wow, the Giants didn't get

806
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: some good return that they could build upon moving forward.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just what I want to say now in

808
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: the trauma and then I'll get off the phone. Is

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Speaker 1: I just think that this was all out of impulse,

810
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: and um, you know, like impulse with respect to what

811
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: in terms of like this, this team didn't have like

812
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: a direction because let's just take a little bit back

813
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: to Landon Collins. I feel like you're negotiating with somebody

814
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: during the whole entire season, you know, with his agent.

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Speaker 1: If you don't see what's gonna happen. A I either

816
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: would have traded him during the season or b I

817
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: would attack them to trade him. Um that's one thing.

818
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: An nothing too is why if they went on end

819
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Speaker 1: because because they decided to go with a running back

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Speaker 1: instead of a quarterback with Barkley. Now this just looks

821
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Speaker 1: kind of weird. Man Like, man, now we have an

822
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Speaker 1: aging quarterback. Now we could go out to this draft.

823
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Speaker 1: But still it looks like it looks like it just

824
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Speaker 1: it just looks like it's going to be a lot

825
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: of bad seasons coming up. And and I get it

826
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Speaker 1: they're trying to pull kind of what the Yankees did.

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Speaker 1: They traded all their stars, but I just feel like

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Speaker 1: my oprating guys, they just didn't get the returns that

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Speaker 1: they that supposed to the Yankees. The Yankees got a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of better returns than with the Giants. And

831
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Speaker 1: that's with respect to that. Once and I'm still gonna

832
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: go back to some of these other teams that you know,

833
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: really didn't have a lot of superstars. Who would have

834
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Speaker 1: thought once again, that the Indianapolis Colts would have been

835
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Speaker 1: on the brink of winning a division, getting into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So you can't just look at a roster on paper, John,

837
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Speaker 1: And just like the dream team in Philadelphia had a

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00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: bunch of names, and what all of a sudden happened

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: with that team that was a big disappointment. I think

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00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: too many people they look at names, and you look

841
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: at the Giants roster, and I would agree with most people,

842
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of names, meaning a lot of

843
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: proven guys that you know could go out there four

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Speaker 1: or five seasons, give you a hundred catches, give you

845
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: a thousand yards. I get that, but that's not the

846
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: only ingredient to winning in the national figue. And you

847
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: and I, neither of us nor the fans know what

848
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: conversations the Giants have with Landon Collins during the years agent,

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Speaker 1: or what conversation to have with other teams in terms

850
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: of a trade, So I don't know what those conversations were,

851
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: would any offers source, so I can't speak to it

852
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: in terms of tagging him and trading him for one

853
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: The NFL frowns upon that. But even for a team

854
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs that did they tagg d Ford, I

855
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: think they wanted to bring him back and sign him.

856
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: They ended up trading him. Only got a second round pick.

857
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: A pass rusher, and if you look at the size

858
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: of his contract is more valuable than the safety. So

859
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: the Giants, assuming you're gonna get less than that in

860
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: a trade, right, I think that's fair to say then

861
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: for a pass rusher. Right, depending on what happens in

862
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: free agency, they might get a third round compensatory pick anyway,

863
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: which means you're going to get what you would have

864
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: gotten the trade potentially anyway, So that that I'm not

865
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: that concerned way. Well, and remember it also goes back

866
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: to the point we were talking about the white Outs.

867
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: The team that acquires him, that gives up the asset

868
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: then has to say we have to work out a

869
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: long term deal with landed College John. So that clearly

870
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: impacts the value too. So you not only have to

871
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: pay him the type of contract that the Redskins gave him,

872
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: but then you gotta give a draft pick on top

873
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: of that. That's a lot of assets for one player

874
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: at a non premium position. Well, and here is one

875
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: last thing before we go back to the calls as

876
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: far as direction goes, Dave Gettleman does not have ties

877
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: to a lot of the players on the roster because

878
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: he didn't draft them. John. So when you evaluate this

879
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: team and you look at what a player did in

880
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: a game, just because you may think highly of the

881
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: player the previous general manager thought highly of the player,

882
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: doesn't mean Dave Gettleman shares the same perspective. That doesn't

883
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: mean that Landon Collin is a bad player. And I'm

884
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: not saying Odell Beckham is a bad player. That's not

885
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: my point. It's just you have to understand his vision

886
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: could be very different than the individual who made the

887
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: decision to draft these players because he prioritizes different positions

888
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: and wants to invest money in different positions. And I

889
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: think there is a plan. He wants to build from

890
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: the inside out. He wants to build as close to

891
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: the football and then go for a farther away from

892
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: the football. He believes the players inside help you win

893
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: football games more than the perimeter players. We'll see what

894
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: happens as he builds his team. If it doesn't work,

895
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: everybody knows what's gonna happen. If it works, then it'll

896
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: be great, and we'll wait and see the analytics say

897
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: that his way is not the way anymore. That's fair.

898
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: But let's see what happens when he actually builds the roster. Okay,

899
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. The Patriots have never spent money

900
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: on wide receivers. They do, Okay, yeah, well that's who

901
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: I was going to bring up. And then people have

902
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: comp it's the exception to the rule. You pick the

903
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: one franchise that does it differently everybody. Do the Eagles

904
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on wide receivers. No, they haven't.

905
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they've made some acquisitions, but it's not the Switches,

906
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: Golden Tate, Jeffrey. But I haven't necessarily, you know, locked

907
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: up guys made Jordan Matthews. They didn't give Eagles to

908
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: the best one of the best offensive lines in football

909
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: and one of the best defensive lines. That's clearly one

910
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: of the best defensive lines and one of the best

911
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 1: offensive lines, no question. Phillis offensive line has been solid.

912
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: They built around the trenches and it did wonders for them,

913
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: and they consistently maintained a position where they could compete

914
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: for a division tie to Why because they shored up

915
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: their house inside That's what it comes down to. And

916
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: by the way, this was not an impulse trade. I

917
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: don't Dave Gentleman hasn't been thinking about this for the

918
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: last two and a half months or three and a

919
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: half months since the season ended. You're nuts. This is

920
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: not that you don't make a trade like this on impulse. Well,

921
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: you don't, period. Johnny goes back to what we talked

922
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: about at the top of the show. I thought his

923
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: perspective was, I'm not looking to aggressively move him, but

924
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: if you blow me away with an offer, I'll hear

925
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: you out and then we may have that dialogue movement forward.

926
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: And I know some fans probably don't think this is

927
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: a blow your way offer, and I understand that because

928
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: it is in line with other trades that we've seen.

929
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Like we've talked about, it's very much in line or

930
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: even a little bit better than a lot of the

931
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: trades we've seen. But they've got him and thought differently,

932
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: and that's why he made the move. Tyler in Massachusetts

933
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: is up next. Tyler, what's up? Hey man? What's going on?

934
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to see Peppers play, and I'm

935
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: really excited to see what they're gonna do with all

936
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: these draft picks. Tyler, I'm excited you actually brought up

937
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: the two players the Giants acquired in this trade because

938
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: I think both players could be Pro Bowl players next year.

939
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you, I really do well. Yeah,

940
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: jrebro Pepper is a really exciting player, you know. And uh,

941
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm a Giants fan. I've been listening to guys for

942
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: like three months. You guys do a great job. Thank you,

943
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning. You know, born in New England. It's

944
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: that kind of suck. Nobody's perfect, Tyler. It's okay. The

945
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: Giants did twice last time and that's fair too. Yeah,

946
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: it really sucks, and yes, he is no doubt about it.

947
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: Really get some wide receivers, I think. Yeah. You know what, though,

948
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Tyler, Evan Ingram, you can't cover a

949
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: man on man with the safety or linebacker. Stirling Shepherd

950
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: does a good against man covered. Just see the dynamic

951
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: deep threat at Odella is no, probably not, at least

952
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: he hasn't shown that. And say, Kaula Barkley's a matchup nightmare.

953
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: So I don't think you need to add another Odell

954
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: Beckham obviously, obviously, if you look at the wide receiver

955
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: depth chart, they need to add people at the position.

956
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: No one's arguing that, and you need to add good

957
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: players at the position, But do you have to have

958
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: that super duper duper start that position the way the

959
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: Giant want to play. I don't think you do well, right, right, right, Yeah,

960
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: I can't agree with that. I think we definitely need

961
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: a number one though the way you were saying earlier,

962
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: that's somebody, well, but the number one, well, but the

963
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: number one could come through a youth movement the question,

964
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: and thanks so much, we're weighing in. The number one

965
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to come through a big name in

966
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: free agency. Not that there's a ton of wide receivers

967
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: that fit that bill available right now, but there's nothing

968
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: wrong with them saying, hey, you know what, we think

969
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: this guy's got potential to be a number one wide

970
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: receiver and we're gonna use a draft pick for him.

971
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: And that could very well be the vision. If you

972
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: go back to Carolina and what Gettlman did similar game

973
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: plan when Michael Thomas was drafted in the second round,

974
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: that people think this is going to be a superstar.

975
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: It's a good example. What about Antonio Brown when even

976
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: later when the Steelers took him Juju Smith Schuster, who

977
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: they're hoping now was going to be the number one

978
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: he wasn't necessarily a first round pick. So you take

979
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: that into consideration, and people are gonna bring up, well,

980
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's like quarterbacks. The how are you pick

981
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: a guy, the more likely he's going to turn out.

982
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: And it's true, and it's true, but I think there's

983
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: been a number of more success stories at the wide

984
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: receiver position. John then there has been a quarterback. Jarvis

985
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: Landry was a second round picker. Class. If you look

986
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: at the history of first round wide receivers in the

987
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: last six drafts, it's a freaking graveyard. It's a disaster.

988
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a mess. And for the people

989
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: out there arguing that's actually an argument against the trade

990
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: because it's hard to find really good wide receivers. Look

991
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: at all the wide receivers picked in the first round.

992
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: But I think it also informs you as you look ahead,

993
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: how you acquire that next wide receiver. It doesn't have

994
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: to be that first round pick, because as we've seen,

995
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: does haven't exactly worked out. You know what I'm saying, well,

996
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: by the way, on that topic, isn't it interesting now

997
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: that I think about it? And you just had this

998
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: jump into my head. That two thousand fourteen draft class

999
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: at wide receiver was ridiculous on paper, right, I mean

1000
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: people were talking about it could go down as one

1001
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: of the best. How interesting, John, that the majority of

1002
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: those wide receivers have now all switched teams except for

1003
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: Mikevin That. Yeah, but he's the only one. He's the

1004
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: only exception, and he got the big contract. But as

1005
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: I wait for my computer to disrupt here in the flow,

1006
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: you've got Brandon Cooks, You've got Jarvis Landry, who we mentioned,

1007
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, Kelvin Benjamin obviously had to deal with Sammy Watkins.

1008
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins is another guy. I mean, they all moved now.

1009
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing them all to Old Dell Beckham put

1010
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: Old Dell Beckham ahead of all those guys that I listed.

1011
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: But the point is, it's not as if everybody stayed put.

1012
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: They found their wide receivers. You were saying, because it's

1013
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: so difficult, locked them up and said, hey, we're sticking

1014
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: it out. I think they also realized, hey, our teams

1015
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: have other needs. If we could get valuable assets in return,

1016
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: we're going to go in that direction. And this is

1017
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: a deep draft with wide receiver. I don't think it

1018
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: has those stars at the top. Next years draft is

1019
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: actually supposed to be a really good wide receiver draft.

1020
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: F y I. And again you never know what gonna

1021
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: happen with this show to speculate about the two thousands.

1022
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: Funny draft, John just bringing more correct Sorry about that,

1023
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: but it is projecting to be a very good wide

1024
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: receive your draft next year, for whatever that's worth. But

1025
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to take the guy in the first round.

1026
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: And this is a good day to early day three

1027
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver class, and you can probably find a good players.

1028
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: He gonna be able Beckham Jr. No, probably not. That's fine,

1029
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: but you can get somebody to come in and help you,

1030
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: and maybe you won't even be in the first year.

1031
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: Might take a year for the guy to get going

1032
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: and be that guy, and we'll see what happens. Five one, three,

1033
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: All right, we got four more calls and then I'm

1034
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: gonna try to find a couple of tweets Mac going.

1035
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Speaker 1: I think I can maybe track down a couple of

1036
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Speaker 1: right hashtag giants chat on Twitter, make sure you send

1037
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: them in. I'll read a couple of your questions, will

1038
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,160
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Speaker 1: Chris in Texas is up next. Hello Chris, Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen.

1041
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: Always good talking to you. Hi, Chris, how are you

1042
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: what haping last night's job earlier this morning on the NFL.

1043
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: Appreciate that? More like subpar, But that's okay, he's getting worse. Sorry, Sorry,

1044
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remind John. That's two complements now on this program.

1045
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: By the way, So no I was talking about two call.

1046
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: That's what I was. Thanks guys, appreciate it. Go ahead, Yeah,

1047
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: quick comment and uh, quick question, go ahead. Regard regarding

1048
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: the trade, I liked the trade, asked me in a

1049
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: couple of years. I'll let you know if I love

1050
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: the trade, but I like it. I wanted to get

1051
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: rid of odell. Uh. We did get the two first

1052
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: rounds out of it. You know, Peppers was the first round.

1053
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: So we did get the two first out of it

1054
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: and the third. So I'm okay with that. The question

1055
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: that I have is um Peppers being the first round

1056
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: of do we still have the opportunity to get that

1057
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: fifty year option or because we didn't draft him, we

1058
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: don't get that option. No, that that that fifth year

1059
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: option is there. So the Giants have that fifth year

1060
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: option to him, no doubt about it. And the reason why, yeah,

1061
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: real quickly, the reason why the Cowboys acquired a Marii Cooper. Now,

1062
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: I believe the Raiders may have picked up a Mari's option.

1063
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: I may be wrong, so they inherited that option. We

1064
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: can look at that for cloud vacation. But John's right,

1065
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: when you move the option is still in play. It

1066
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: doesn't change. Okay, So that's huge. So now we got

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00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: him for three years at that rookie deal with his

1068
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: great Well, remember that that that fifth year option, it

1069
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: does go up. The fifth year option will go up,

1070
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: probably to money eight or so million, I bet something

1071
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: like that, but it's still less than what you would

1072
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: have to pay on the free agent market. Yeah, we

1073
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: won't have to revisit what we just went through with

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00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: Land and cow you know at least. Yeah, and by

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00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: the way, Chris, before we let you continue, I just

1076
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: looked up the Raiders exercise Cooper's fifth year option. Right

1077
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: before the start of the two thousand eighteen season traded

1078
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: him to the Cowboys, so Dallas still benefits from that

1079
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: fifth year option. Go ahead, Okay, No to the last comment.

1080
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: I am hoping and I forgot which one of you,

1081
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: gentlemen said thisssarily, but I'm hoping we don't package the

1082
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: two first round is to move up. I agree with

1083
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: Haskins is there at six and you love them, go

1084
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: for it. I like him right now. I'd like to

1085
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: see a little bit more comments from you guys in

1086
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: the future and and management about you know, how they

1087
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: feel about But I really really think we need to

1088
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: build this depth and I hate to compromise package in

1089
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: those two picks to move up. So that's my take.

1090
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: Chris appreciate it. That's a very fair take, and it's

1091
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: something that we echoed in terms of those sentiments earlier

1092
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: in the program. I think the Giants are in a

1093
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: great position to add depth across the board, not necessarily

1094
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: just one position. And by the way, I'm gonna read

1095
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: this tweet and thes and it just shows that we

1096
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: don't we invite negative comments. They're fun. This one from

1097
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: at Zoo zond these puppets you got on this show

1098
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: or a joke. Guy just said, we're recrafting the roster

1099
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: and retooling it, but in no way tanking. We're cash draping.

1100
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: No players to show for it. Just twelve picks. But

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00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: first of all, just twelve picks is a joke. I

1102
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: think they have probably more picks than end of the

1103
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: team in the league at this point this year. Definitely

1104
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: maybe the Raiders. Okay, well, if you're tanking, why would

1105
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: Eli Manning still be on the roster, Why would alec

1106
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Ogult still be on the roster. Why would you know

1107
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: as Jenkins still be on the roster high price veterans

1108
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: that could save you Caps Bay is that you can

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00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: carry into next year. If you were tanking, those players

1110
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here, they be gone. They're here because they

1111
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: are trying to compete. They're not trying to lose games

1112
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: this year. They're trying to win football games. So that's

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00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: why they're not tanking. Are they, in my opinion, doing

1114
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: something that looks like a rebuild. Sure Lance doesn't like

1115
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: that word, that's fine, but they are not trying to

1116
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: lose football games. You will see them now you salary

1117
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: cap space on players to try to win football games.

1118
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: That's how this is going. Just want to be very

1119
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: clear about that. This team and the ownership is said it,

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00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: and the GM has said it. The GM said it

1121
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: two weeks ago with the combine, tanking doesn't work. He's

1122
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: not in favor of it. He literally said that two

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00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: or three weeks ago. Well, so that's why they're not tanking,

1124
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: which people, by the way, don't even know what the

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00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: word means anymore. It's been missing you so much because

1126
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: they're fascinated with what's going on in the NBA, and

1127
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: that term is thrown out. Like, by the way, I

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00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: love the complimentary photo which you been collected to mention

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00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: with that tweet. Now, looking at the right one, do

1130
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: you think I'm the guy that's holding your eyes open?

1131
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: Are you holding my eyes? Well, considering that guy is

1132
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: smaller than I must be the one that's getting my

1133
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: eyes held. I think the left. I think that I'm

1134
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: like the scientists looking guy. I'm okay, yeah, you have

1135
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: the lab code on every That's fine. I will take

1136
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: on any role. It's just I'm just glad that their

1137
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: individuals have the time to find the gift and put

1138
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: it together with a whole dog and pony show. Creativity

1139
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: is huge. We invite it to. But the other thing

1140
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: that I would counter that is if you think the

1141
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: Giants are tanking, and I don't think tanking happens in

1142
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: the NFL. To begin with, why don't you give me

1143
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: an example of a team that tank? Give me an example. No,

1144
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: I don't want, just want, Oh, well, they didn't win that,

1145
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: you know. I want play by play analysis of the

1146
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: moves they made. I want you to tell me week three,

1147
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: this guy purposely missed the tackle. The coach directed the

1148
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: players not to win football games. The general manager brought

1149
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: the guys in an auditorium and told them, guys, we

1150
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: want the first overall pick. Go out there and do nothing.

1151
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: You give me that example and then we could have

1152
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: that conversation. Look, I think the argument is that front

1153
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: office is set up rosters to fail because they don't

1154
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: think the coaches and players do try to win. And

1155
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: I think to a certain extent, the only argument you

1156
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: can make is is the Browns, where they did cut

1157
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: a lot of their better players that year to get

1158
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: salary cap space when Sashi Brown was there, and they

1159
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: traded a lot of picks to gain future assets and

1160
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: future assets and future assets. By the way, their ability

1161
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: to make all the moves they have this year is

1162
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: in part because of what Sashi Brown did when he

1163
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: was there. Well, but that was his analytical mind too.

1164
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: Though John background was he came with more of a

1165
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: saber metrics type of approach. So I think people need

1166
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: to understand that's true as opposed to another GM who

1167
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: has a different philosophy. May have gone about in a

1168
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: different way, but that doesn't mean that he was thinking tanky.

1169
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: He was saying, Hey, I value this more so than

1170
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: what another team does. Mark in Chicago would like to

1171
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: see them draft the right tack or rather than get

1172
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: when a free agency want to groom somebody just like

1173
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: you have Solder and Hernandez, then have a good rotation

1174
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: of vets and young to replenish the future, preserve cap

1175
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: space for next year. I'd be okay with that. I'm

1176
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: fine with that. One of the their fan is a

1177
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: question about Mike Gramer's wants to know if he's more

1178
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: of a guard or a tackle. Um, he's somebody that

1179
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: started a guard last year and the Vikings offensive unless

1180
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: you was bad, Let's put that straight. Out. That's one

1181
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: of the reasons they struggled. But when he started a

1182
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: right tackle, he was actually graded fairly well by Pro

1183
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: Football Focus. He actually even spent half a year left

1184
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: tackle with the Vikings the year they had a couple

1185
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: of injuries a couple of years back. So he's somebody

1186
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: that can't play right tackles. He's started years old. Um,

1187
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: something else that's out there. Somebody else tweeted out about

1188
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: one other free agent wide receiver, Chris Hogan, who's a

1189
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: free agent and the Giants where not they should take

1190
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: a look at him. I think that's the level of

1191
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver free agent that they could consider, you know

1192
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: what I mean, Yeah, a guy that you take a

1193
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: flyer on. But then it goes back to our conversation

1194
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: about are you duplicating Sterling Shepherd John or do you

1195
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: envision him being moved to the outside. Does he have

1196
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: the potential to do that? You have to ask yourself

1197
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: those questions if you want to go after a guy

1198
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, granted, when you have a nine

1199
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: d man roster, it doesn't hurt you, but when you

1200
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: make decisions for the fifty three, I think you want

1201
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: to keep wide receivers had a little bit more versatile

1202
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: as opposed to duplications. And this is another tweet from

1203
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: the same guy that had the great Jeff um. If

1204
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: we wanted to move from O B O B J,

1205
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: why did we resign him to lose money and picks?

1206
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: Why didn't we trade him for Godfather off? We were

1207
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: presented in the off season. What was the offer in

1208
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: the off season? There was no Godfather offer in the office.

1209
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: That's what I'd like to know. That's the point. And

1210
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: you get more because he's under contract, you get less

1211
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: if you're training him on the franchise. Tag Um, there

1212
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: we go. But see, all of that is a speculative response.

1213
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: There are no facts in that statement, John, of that

1214
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: tweet that you just read, does that individual? Can that

1215
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: individual bring me once again a legitimate trade offer that

1216
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: was presented to the Giants, where the Giants turned it

1217
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: down and said not, we're not interested, and now all

1218
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden settled for less. When you have that evidence,

1219
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be all ears until that it's pure speculation.

1220
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: Anthony Tregula. If you have a plan in direction it's

1221
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: not working. To stick to that direction is not smart.

1222
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: He agrees So why are they keeping Eli And we've

1223
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: talked about that before. Who are you replacing him with?

1224
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: It's not a decision in a vacuum. If you let

1225
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: him go, what's your next move? What if one of

1226
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: the top quarterbacks aren't there at six? What if the

1227
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals take one at one, they trade Rosen to a

1228
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: different team, and then the Jets trade down with a

1229
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: different team and they picked somebody at three? Then what

1230
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: do you do if you're the Giants, if you saw

1231
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: look what Nick Foles just gone for agency. Okay, starting

1232
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 1: quarterbacks cost that much money. You need to replace the guy.

1233
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: You don't just say cut him and then at whatever

1234
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: happens happens. It's too important of a position, John, I'm

1235
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna go back to the example I gave at the

1236
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: beginning of the show. The Eagles got rid of Sam

1237
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: Bradford after they drafted Carson Wentz. They didn't get rid

1238
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: of Sam Bradford before they drafted Carson Wentz. So if

1239
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: you want to revisit this conversation after the draft, depending

1240
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: on what happens, it may be a conversation worth having.

1241
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: But you don't get rid of plan A when Plan

1242
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: B is not already in place correct and then finally

1243
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: b c the grim at whole Halla BC. I really

1244
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: like Paris Campbell and six six of Keem Butler. In

1245
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: the draft we mentioned a Keen Butler. Paris Campbell had

1246
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: a great combine. He's a guy that kind of did

1247
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: that wild card position at Ohio State. He was kind

1248
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: of like a half running back, half receiver that a

1249
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: lot of the short routes and stuff. But he looked

1250
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: good at the combine and he caught the ball. He

1251
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: had some drop issues at Ohio State. He ran really well.

1252
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: That's someone that could be a valuable early day to

1253
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: late day one pick for an NFL team. All right,

1254
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: let's do our final calls at two on five on three.

1255
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Boker, it's own gets two days in a row. Jerry,

1256
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: what's up? Hey, Good afternoon, John Land. Yesterday yesterday, when

1257
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: I was responding, I was responding emotionally, of course, and

1258
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: I I understand that Jerry that he did. He was

1259
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: just he was just he was he was very upset,

1260
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: and I understand that it's fair interesting. Normally Jerry gets

1261
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: heated over politics, if memories. I'm actually no, no, no, no, no, Jerry,

1262
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm not opening the door for that. Okay, that was

1263
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: said in Jess. That's it period, Go ahead, Jerry. Okay. However,

1264
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: I listened to your comments yesterday by listening to the

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Speaker 1: program again, and I've got commented in the past. I

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Speaker 1: don't call in often because as I rarely see see

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Speaker 1: things differently from you. But now, to clear up a

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00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: comment that I made yesterday about Dave Gettleman, I noted

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00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: that you John admitted that Gettleman was sort of politic

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Speaker 1: in his remark when he said we didn't sign O

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Speaker 1: b J to trade him away. That remark was carefully

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Speaker 1: constructed to allow his future action to go either way

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00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: if there If there was no trade, he could stand

1274
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: pat with his remark, but with the trade he can

1275
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: be fairly accused. And this is what I was talking

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00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: about of omitting making the following statement. But everyone has

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00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: a price. So and by the way, sort of in

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: line with Joy, I tangled web we weave when first

1279
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: we practiced. To Jerry. The reason I believe Dave didn't

1280
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: say that if you go back to the owner's meeting

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00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: the year prior, remember when he said, look, guys, everyone's

1282
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: I'll talk about everybody. I'm never gonna say anyone's untouchable,

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: and then that became a big story. Right, Oh there,

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00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: looks all the gentleman said is that no one's untouchable,

1285
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: and that turned in that they're looking to trade a

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: certain player. That's why he didn't want to say that again,

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Speaker 1: or at least that's my guess, you know what I mean.

1288
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: And Jerry, here's the other thing that I'm gonna add

1289
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: to that. When was the last time that a player,

1290
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: general manager, and owner won the Super Bowl because of

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00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: winning a press conference meaning appeasing and crafting words that

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00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: just were so welcomed by the fan base. I personally

1293
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: think people read too much into press conferences, specifically in

1294
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: the off season, because there's no football, so you need

1295
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: to consume something. At the end of the day, does

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00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: it really matter what the words that were said in

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00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: a press conference or so a few weeks or a

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00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: few months ago. What does it matter when things change

1299
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: and evolve so much and people off their mind. Yeah,

1300
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna sit here and analyze the statement. How is

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00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: that going to help the team in the long run.

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: I was just commenting that I was seeing an association

1303
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: between certain things in history. For example, um, when UM

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00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: I was reminded when to go wanted the backing of

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01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: the military from Jeria. He said complete, I understood you.

1306
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: It was seen by the military is having the golf support,

1307
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: but it turned out he didn't actually promise to support

1308
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: them and the military felt they would be trained Jerry.

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01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: In fairness, listen, you gotta run. I mean, I appreciate

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: the first first time French ever has been dropped on

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01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: the program by That was something. But I'm not for

1312
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: one to love the parallel between politics where maybe life

1313
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: and death situations are on the line, John versus the

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01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: general manager talking about the makeup of a roster for

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: the sake of sports entertainment, and I I can be

1316
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: blamed for giving Jerry that political door, so I will

1317
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: take full responsibility for that really out of the way

1318
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: type of comparison. But in all seriousness, things are said

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: in press conferences John, and sometimes it doesn't necessarily come

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01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: to fruition. Sometimes it goes in a different direction. Why

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01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: should I will say this over and again, it's not

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01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: the responsibility of an executive, And I know a fan

1323
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: is going to look at if there were different lens

1324
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: to lay out his entire game plan for public consumption

1325
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: hurt the team, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna

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01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: get we You and I have had a difference of

1327
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: a last weey with Phil Jackson and how he went

1328
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: about Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks, and I don't want

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01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: to get into that, but right, I mean that that's

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: an example of people criticized him. You don't lay out everything.

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01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: You don't criticize a player because you're basically throwing your

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01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: cards out there. So if you sort of play out

1333
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: in the middle ground, you give a little, but you

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01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: don't give it all. You keep people guessing. Well, the

1335
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: fairness is the pointer that you can't win no matter

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01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: what you do. It's kind of side you're never gonna win.

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Speaker 1: Leah new Milford's up next, Hey Leo, Hey, how you doing. Guys?

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Speaker 1: Appreciate a long time listener. I haven't called in a

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: long time, but listening and watching all of this, you know,

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01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: you hear Dave Gentelman and I think it's I'm always

1341
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: excited when I hear him speak. And you know what,

1342
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: he can't disclose everything because that would hurt the team

1343
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: because as you said, and I think what he spoke

1344
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: about is his models and there's all types of model

1345
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: us to adjust. Now. Years ago, there were probably ten

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01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: models I looked at. Today there's hundreds because there's so

1347
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: many changes that happened so quickly. Hey, I had a

1348
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: senior moment when I saw the trade came down. I

1349
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: saw a first, second, third round and Jabrill Peppers. I said, wow,

1350
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: four players. I thought of herschel Walker. Then I realized

1351
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: my son text me said that it's the first and

1352
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: the third round and Jabille Peppers. I thought about it.

1353
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers, I've watched him from Don Bosco, the paramas Catholic.

1354
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: What an excellent athlete, a lot of potential. Maybe he'll

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01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: be better than Collins in the long run. But I

1356
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: think it was something we had to do, and I

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01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: thought it was an excellent move because there were so

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01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: many different variables that we were looking at trading OV. Look,

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01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: we were gonna have to cut him because of where

1360
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: our salary cap is. You know, you come up to

1361
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: the quantitative analysis and the qualitative. The quantitative means that

1362
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: we're backs against the wall with a beer pocketbook and

1363
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: the champagne uh champagne thirst. So we've got to make adjustments. Well,

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Speaker 1: I tell you the asta cutting him we got an

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01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: excellent guard. When I watched about that. What was the

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: biggest problem with the Giants line? They couldn't handle the

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01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: stunt of a twist boom. There's a problem, by the way, Leo,

1368
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: by the way, if he was feeling it, better about it.

1369
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, we're later past one. I have to

1370
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: let you go, but do me a favor. Going to

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Speaker 1: inside the film on Giants dot com. Callbank breaks downe

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Speaker 1: and excellent. No. I appreciate the call, Leo, thank you,

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01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: and he talks exactly about that. He picks up an

1374
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 1: inside stunt and an outside stunt against von Miller, and

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01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: he's one of the smartest guards in the league. Had

1376
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: one of the best wonder Lick scores of any guard

1377
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: in all of football of any draft year. He's a

1378
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: really good football. Let's let's do our final Correal quick lay.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, the Cowboys game is the

1380
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: game that comes to mind with to kill him. That's

1381
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: the big one. Will and Houston will wrap us up today. Hey, Will, Hey,

1382
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm hoping I can finish you guys up on a

1383
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: positive note. Sorry. I joined the call a little bit

1384
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: later on. That was not going to repeat anything that's

1385
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: been set um. You know, Yes, I was just gonna say, John,

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01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: you actually touched on this a little bit yesterday about

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01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: how what the Giants offense was able to do in

1388
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: the last four games without Odell and how ELI and

1389
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: the offense actually you know, turned out okay even in

1390
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: spite of him not being there. And I'm not saying

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01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: that having O'Dell not on the field is it better

1392
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: for us, It's not at all. But I was watching

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01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: ESPN last night unfortunately having them, you know, talk about how,

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01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, ELI is dead on the lot of the

1395
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: offense to stay on the water without O'Dell. They bring

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01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: up these stats that since to us in fourteen, Eli's

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: basically trash. Remember O'Dell is not on the field, and

1398
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about it, and you know, whenever we

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01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: finished our season last year, the offense revolved around Barkley.

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01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: When O'Dell was not on the field for those two seasons,

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: whenever McAdoo was here, he was our offense. It was

1402
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: a s CoA style offense get revolved around Odell. So

1403
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: when O'Dell is not on the field and you don't

1404
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: have an offensive line, you're never in twenty two or

1405
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: twenty one personnel, you don't run the ball, you don't

1406
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: have Sta Kwon Barkley. What do you expect Eli Manning

1407
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: to do without Odell? That's exactly what's gonna happen. So

1408
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: I actually don't feel too bad about the state of

1409
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: Rosvens without O'Dell moving forward, because Stay Kwon Barkley is

1410
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: not our offense. And if you look at what Tom

1411
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: Brady and the Patriots in the Super Bowl, he had

1412
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: no one outside. And I'm not comparing Eli and Tom

1413
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: right now, but I mean, look, when you can make

1414
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: your offense more than a one dimensional player and you

1415
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: have Stea Kwan in a line, and you know the

1416
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: way things turned out last year, I actually don't feel

1417
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: bad about it now. Again, I love O'Dell and I'm

1418
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: very grateful for everything he's given to our team the

1419
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: past couple of years. But to just completely right off

1420
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: the season next year and say our offense is gonna

1421
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: be horrible without O'Dell, I think that people need to

1422
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: be a little bit more open mind is about where

1423
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: our offensive head is compared to where it was in

1424
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: the past. That's all I have, guys, And I could

1425
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: not have said it better myself. I said something similar

1426
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: earlier in the show, and frankly lands my concern right

1427
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: now one much more concerned about the defense of the offense.

1428
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,959
Speaker 1: And it's frankly not even close. I had questions about

1429
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: the defense even before this trade. What do you think

1430
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: they all of a sudden got to disappear defense. You

1431
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: look at where it ranked with the exception of the

1432
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen season, the defense has been Dr Jekyll

1433
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: and Mr Hyde. I mean that has to be straightened

1434
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: out because you can score all the points in the world,

1435
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: and if you don't find a way to get your

1436
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: defense off the field, as Kansas City can certainly relate

1437
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: to based on what happened in the a f C

1438
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: Championship game, not being able to get an offensive possession

1439
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: in over time. I mean, that's how NFL needs to

1440
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: be played. It needs to be balanced. And you know,

1441
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: I felt Will made a great point at kudos to you, Will,

1442
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: because Will provided context. John, he did just throw a

1443
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: number out to say what O'Dell's on the field versus

1444
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: when he's not in the field. He broke it down,

1445
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: He used the personnel, he explained the offensive scheme, who

1446
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: the coach was, All of those things are relevant, is

1447
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: opposed to a random number or statistic on a page,

1448
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: and the offense and there Ben McAdoo, is completely different

1449
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: than what they it on their patch furmer last year.

1450
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: And while it's a small sample size of four games,

1451
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: and I said that when I pointed the stats out,

1452
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: and we'll see if it can continue over sixteen gamespan.

1453
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: We don't know that. We'll have to wait and see

1454
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: front officers betting at will. I guess, okay, it's much

1455
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: different than the offense we're running. You're in, Ben McAdoo,

1456
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: So using those numbers and including them in what happened

1457
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: last year, it's two completely different situations, different play caller.

1458
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: A lot of things have changed, all right, Lands and

1459
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: Jeff F. Eagles will be with you tomorrow at noon

1460
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com and then we'll be back next

1461
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: week and take more of your calls as the Giants

1462
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: continue along in the off season. It was all presented

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01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: by cores Light download the cores Light Awards apt to

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Speaker 1: an amazing Giants Prizes, a great job on Twitter, even

1465
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: for the guy that killed us, We love you too.

1466
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: Thanks to the guy on the phones. We appreciate that

1467
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: as well. And we'll see tomorrow noon on jihnts dot com. Everybody,

1468
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: thank you for being part of the show. We'll see

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01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: that everyone