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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's open today's show with some statistics. It's often

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Speaker 1: said that people could be either dog people or cat people,

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Speaker 1: meaning they prefer one pet over another. According to a

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Speaker 1: fairly arbitrary pull reported by today dot com, seventy of

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Speaker 1: us listening today find ourselves being dog people, and a

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Speaker 1: way to get into today's episode is to ask how

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Speaker 1: far would you go for a dog? Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Ben. My name is no Ben. When

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Speaker 1: you say dog people, do you mean some sort of

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Speaker 1: about dog efficient fans of dogs? Yeah, as mentioned people

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Speaker 1: yet to ask our super producer, Casey Pegram this question.

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Speaker 1: So I'd like to ask both you guys. Noel, you

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Speaker 1: strike me as more of um maybe a cat person.

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Speaker 1: I am a fan of the movie Cat People and

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Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. They're a little less needy,

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Speaker 1: they're less work. They're they're less work, they're self sufficient. Dogs.

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Speaker 1: While they do give you unconditional love, sometimes I feel

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Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes I get the sense, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna profile you, but I've gotten the sense before

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Speaker 1: when we hang out that you don't like dogs. Well

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. I'm dating a girl and have been

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Speaker 1: So you're you're maybe on the fence about dogs in general.

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Speaker 1: I'm cat people, Yeah, what about you? Casey oh man,

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Speaker 1: the Cat and Dog case. And today's episode, Well you

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Speaker 1: us to now you do, no, sir, No, sir, my friends, Um, well,

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Speaker 1: being a decent human being, I love dogs and cats. Wow.

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Speaker 1: That was very that was very pointed, very pointed. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm messing with you. I don't, um, I I love

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Speaker 1: That's right, what I mean, even like, just the features

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Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire ruled an area of

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Speaker 1: some member nations. Correct, yeah, and then they say, look,

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Speaker 1: we don't want this to get ugly. I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: In my head, these guys are all calling, calling this

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Speaker 1: dictator these weird names like Buckaroo, Bucky Partner. They do ask,

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Speaker 1: they do ask for the dictator to pay some kind

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Speaker 1: of financial compensation to Bulgaria. Well he did burn down

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Speaker 1: like villages. I mean it's gonna be you know, some

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Speaker 1: rebuilding costs associated with this. Did you see how much

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Speaker 1: they asked them to pay. It wasn't an insignificant amount.

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Speaker 1: It was forty five thousand pounds, forty thousand British pounds.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. That's not much. That's not much

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Speaker 1: at all. That's not gonna that's token. I think this

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Speaker 1: calculate that, bad boy, or correct casey, could I get

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Speaker 1: the queue for a handy handy inflation calculator? Perfect? All right,

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Speaker 1: forty five thousand pounds in nineteen twenty two is equal

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Speaker 1: to dramatic pause two point four nine or so million pounds.

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Speaker 1: And we didn't really see a figure for how much

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Speaker 1: damage the Greek invasion costs. But uh, I've seen many

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Speaker 1: sources indicating that there was much burning and pillaging and

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Speaker 1: looting and sacking going on, So this seems like a

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Speaker 1: pretty insignificant sum. Pangalos was still very unhappy with it.

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Speaker 1: He felt that the League of Nations had given him

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Speaker 1: a raw deal because they had um they had sided

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Speaker 1: against him before as well, hadn't they been well? He

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Speaker 1: already felt that they were incredibly imbalanced and hypocritical, because

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Speaker 1: he said, he said, look, we all know that the

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Speaker 1: League of Nations has two sets of rules, one for

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Speaker 1: nations that are powerful like Italy, and one for us,

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Speaker 1: the little guys like Greece, and you guys are unfairly uh,

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Speaker 1: punishing us for things that you would be absolutely fine

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Speaker 1: with another nation doing. Oh, we're just trying to make

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Speaker 1: our make our nut. You know. Yeah, we're just trying

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Speaker 1: to flex a little bit of what you know, Why

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Speaker 1: why can't we be conquerors? Right? Everyone else gets to conquer?

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Speaker 1: Why is everybody so pro Bulgarians? That's that's we're we're

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Speaker 1: taking some poetic license here. But yeah, he is. He

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Speaker 1: is not happy with it, and he feels that he

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Speaker 1: has been humiliated in front of his nation and on

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Speaker 1: Sable stage. He feels that Greece as a nation has

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Speaker 1: been humiliated with his name on the marquee. And uhcause,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, man, when you're a dictator, I mean,

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Speaker 1: your source of power comes from your ability to like

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Speaker 1: flex and be a strong man and like saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: I am beyond reproach and I have an iron fist

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Speaker 1: and no one can mess with me. It's like the

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Speaker 1: same as being like a I don't like I'm using

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Speaker 1: this example again, but like being a mob boss. As

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Speaker 1: soon as someone sees weakness in you, or you are

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Speaker 1: messed with and not paid or whatever it is, you

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Speaker 1: are open to being overthrown, my friend. And yeah, as

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Speaker 1: I had mentioned earlier, when is the most likely time

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Speaker 1: for a military dictator to be overthrown? It's right after

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Speaker 1: he overthrows someone, or you know, it's right after they

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Speaker 1: overthrow somewhere. He attempts it anyway, Yeah, and so we

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Speaker 1: can only imagine that at this time Pangalos General Peglos

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Speaker 1: is privately worried that this may affect his ability to

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Speaker 1: rule or the people's trust in him. And it turns

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Speaker 1: out that he is absolutely right. He has been seen

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Speaker 1: as weak on the domestic and international stage. So the

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Speaker 1: very same people, the very same cadre of officers that

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Speaker 1: helped him become dictator, by that summer, they overthrow him

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Speaker 1: and they replace him with the old guy, the earlier

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Speaker 1: president of Greece. I mean, oftentimes, these powerful men are

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Speaker 1: representative of something going on beneath the surface, and when

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Speaker 1: the shadowy cabals that run things for real beneath the service.

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Speaker 1: Even under a dictatorship, the dictator has to answer to

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Speaker 1: somebody a lot of the time, right, right, like um,

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Speaker 1: like even in Democra sees like the US, the president

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Speaker 1: has to answer to Cheryl Crow at some point. She

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Speaker 1: is such a monster. I had no idea we had

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Speaker 1: fixed such a powerful enemy. But yeah, you're absolutely right, No,

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. He is overthrown he vanishes from the

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Speaker 1: public eye. We know a little bit about what happens

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Speaker 1: to him next, and it's it's not especially pretty, nor

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Speaker 1: is it noble or glorious. He's implicated in a corruption scandal.

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Speaker 1: H he resurfaces to endorse the pro Nazi collaborationist regime

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Speaker 1: in Greece during the you know, the rise of the

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Speaker 1: Nazi Party. He passes away in nineteen fifty two. But

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Speaker 1: get this, his grandson, who shared the name, Theodoros Pangalos,

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Speaker 1: became Deputy Prime Minister of Greece. So they kept in

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Speaker 1: the family. Yeah, they really did. Um and O G.

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Speaker 1: Pangalos withdrew from public life and wasn't really hurt from again.

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Speaker 1: And you know, because he kind of retired in in shame.

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Speaker 1: And this this whole all because of a straight dog,

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Speaker 1: All because of a dog. We don't even know the

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Speaker 1: dog's name. But I think Casey made an excellent choice

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Speaker 1: with Mr Sprinkles. I like it too. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with Zeus the dog. Here we go a Zeus and

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Speaker 1: we we we. I guess we could speculate and say

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Speaker 1: the guy the the guy probably named his dog something Greek, right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe it was pangalos. Maybe that's why the dictator got

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Speaker 1: so mad, but we sadly don't know what happened to

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Speaker 1: the dog afterward. And for playing a very small part

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Speaker 1: in in this story, Uh, this unknown dog has one

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Speaker 1: that has won the name in history. It's called the

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Speaker 1: Incident at Patrick, but a lot of people nowadays call

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Speaker 1: it the War of the Straight Dog. We hope that

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Speaker 1: you have enjoyed this episode, this brief look into one

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Speaker 1: of the many were aiculous causes for war throughout human history.

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Speaker 1: Let us know some of your favorite stories about ridiculous

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Speaker 1: causes for war. And hey, if you have any cool

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Speaker 1: pet pictures, you can send them. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: want to volunteer both of you, guys. I just love

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Speaker 1: seeing other people's pets. You can send them to us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram or we are Ridiculous History. You can check

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Speaker 1: disguises and costumes. You can follow me at Ben Bolan

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Thanks to our superproducer Casey Pegram, thanks to

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Speaker 1: Alex Williams who composed our track, Thanks to our research

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Speaker 1: assistant Gay and No thank you man. You know, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're a monster. I think you're a pretty

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Speaker 1: cool dude. You sure, yeah. You kind of hurt my

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Speaker 1: feelings at the top of the show. Why because you

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Speaker 1: said you're a normal, nice human being who likes all

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Speaker 1: animals and then imply that I am some sort of

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Speaker 1: subhuman monster. No, not at all. I'm just kidding. I

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Speaker 1: am if I'm nothing, if nothing else, I am melodramatic.

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Speaker 1: We all need a bit of drama in our lives.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. I can confidently say that

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Speaker 1: none of the three of us would start a war

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Speaker 1: over it. Up, Okay, I can with certainty. Even as

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Speaker 1: I was saying that, I was thinking, well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the dog and depends on the board.

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Speaker 1: Really well, back about it. You know, if you see

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Speaker 1: you see opportunity, I say, go for us. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Folks,