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Speaker 2: Hey guys, Happy Monday and happy snow Day if you

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Speaker 2: are anywhere in the Midwest or Greater Washington, DC area.

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Speaker 2: I obviously am doing the show from home. Sager will

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Speaker 2: got a bit of a star studded show for you

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Speaker 2: me to help me out. So we've got Shelby Talcott,

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Speaker 2: who's going to join from Semaphore and breakdown what's going

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Speaker 2: So pretty interesting and predictably abhorrent comments from him. Love

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Speaker 2: interesting to hear from Marian. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: This was before he actually won the speaker vote. You say,

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great point and the most important

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Speaker 3: Well, everybody that I've talked to said that Mike Johnson

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think it is really notable that after the vote,

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Speaker 3: And in fact, it was despite Mike Johnson's leadership over

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Speaker 2: So it is January sixth today, we all now know

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Speaker 2: January sixth. I'm out in King George County, Virginia, about

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Speaker 2: The snow is still falling quite steadily. Are these lawmakers

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I'm looking outside my window right now

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Speaker 3: But I do think that every initiative is being made

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Speaker 4: Gotcha.

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Speaker 2: But let's start with the debt ceiling. That I would

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Speaker 2: ask you what might go into that reconciliation bill and

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Speaker 4: How do you see this all turning out?

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Speaker 2: Because I think what Janning Ellen said that they would

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Speaker 2: But basically, once you hit that wall, the clock is

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Speaker 3: Remember Donald Trump wanted this address before he took office.

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Speaker 3: That clearly seems like it's not going to happen. But

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Speaker 4: And so that is the goal.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's going to be difficult because, as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, I think they're deadly serious. Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but a lot.

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Speaker 2: Last question I have, Ree Shelby, is like, you know,

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Speaker 3: You know, I've heard those theories also, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, an interesting point you make there too, because you said,

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Speaker 2: And just to go back to the first thing you

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, So it is not just Republican members

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Speaker 4: Obviously this is Mickey Mouse, but.

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Speaker 2: This notably right here, that would be Jeff Bezos and

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Speaker 2: all of them bending the knee, offering up cash.

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Speaker 4: The La Times.

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Speaker 2: Dude is puckering up with the lipstick here to presumably

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Speaker 2: kiss Trump's feet or his ass or something like that.

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Speaker 2: And Mickey Mouse completely prostrating himself in front of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: And so apparently this cartoon was killed and This was

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Speaker 2: sort of a final straw for this cartoonist who was

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Speaker 2: a longtime with the Washington Post and obviously relatively celebrated.

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Speaker 4: She actually wrote a.

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Speaker 2: Substack explaining why she was leaving, and I'll go ahead

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Speaker 2: and pull this up on the screen and read to

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Speaker 2: you a little bit of what she had to say.

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Speaker 2: Here she says, why I'm quitting the Washington Post. I've

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Speaker 2: worked for the Washington Post since two thousand and eight

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Speaker 2: as an editorial cartoonist. I've had editorial feedback and productive

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Speaker 2: conversations and some differences about cartoons I've submitted for publication.

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Speaker 2: But in all that time, I've never had a cartoon

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Speaker 2: killed because of who or what I chose to aim

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Speaker 2: my pen at until now. The cartoon that was killed

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Speaker 2: criticizes the billionaire tech and media chief executives who've been

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Speaker 2: doing their best to curry favor with incoming President elect Trump.

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Speaker 2: There have been multiple articles recently about these men with

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Speaker 2: lucrative government contracts and an interest in eliminating regulations making

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Speaker 2: their way tomorrow. Lago, the group in the cartoon included

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Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg. Of course, I've met Sam Altman. That's open Ai,

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Speaker 2: Patrick Sunshong La Times publisher, Walt Disney Company, Slash, ABC News,

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Speaker 2: and Jeff Bezos, the Washington Post owner. She goes on

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Speaker 2: to say it's not uncommon for editorial page editors to

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Speaker 2: object to visual metaphors within a cartoon if it strikes

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Speaker 2: that editor is unclear or is not correctly conveying the

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Speaker 2: message intended by the cartoonist. Such editorial criticism was not

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Speaker 2: the case regarding this cartoon. To be clear, there have

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Speaker 2: been instances where sketches have been rejected or revisions requested,

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Speaker 2: but never because of the point of view inherent in

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Speaker 2: the cartoons commentary. That is a game changer and dangerous

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Speaker 2: for a free press. So let me go ahead and

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Speaker 2: read to you what the paper's response was. David Shipley,

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Speaker 2: who is the Post opinion editor, said in a statement

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Speaker 2: that was provided to CN and then I think other

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Speaker 2: outlets as well. Not every editorial judgment is a reflection

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Speaker 2: of a malign force. Might decision was guided by the

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Speaker 2: fact we had just published a column on the same

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Speaker 2: topic as the cartoon had already scheduled another column, this

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Speaker 2: one a satire for publication. The only bias was against repetition.

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Speaker 2: So that is their side of the story. But of

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Speaker 2: course this comes after what sort of kicked off this

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Speaker 2: whole conversation about obeying in advance and the efforts of

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Speaker 2: tech billionaires to suck up to Donald Trump, all of

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Speaker 2: whom have a lot at stake. I mean, Jeff Bezos

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Speaker 2: in particular, has massive government contracts and felt that in

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Speaker 2: the first Trump administration, and I think probably rightly so,

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Speaker 2: that he was punished and denied one particular very lucrative

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Speaker 2: government contract. Of course, this man is one of the

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Speaker 2: richest men on the planet. I think he's like number

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Speaker 2: two right now to Elon Musk, who he's got his

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Speaker 2: position solidified within the Trump administration. But in any case,

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Speaker 2: he felt that that contract was withhold held. It appears

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Speaker 2: he would deny this, I'm sure, but it appeers that

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Speaker 2: he very much wants to be on the good side

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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump this time around, and so before the

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Speaker 2: election he decided to the Washington Post, decided, which he owns,

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Speaker 2: of course, to spike an editorial endorsement of Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: This became a massive, I would say, scandal. It was

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Speaker 2: actually devastating to the Washington Post in terms of their business.

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Speaker 2: Number of journalists resigned. Washington Post already business was not

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Speaker 2: doing well under Jeff Bezos. They had lost huge amount

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Speaker 2: of subscribers because they had really bet the farm exclusively

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Speaker 2: on sort of anti Donald Trump resistance type editorial direction

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Speaker 2: and democracy dies in darkness all of that, and so

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Speaker 2: that was the readership that they had cultivated, really was this,

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Speaker 2: you know, virulently anti Trump readership. That was their business choice.

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Speaker 2: And you know, first of all, when Donald Trump loses

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Speaker 2: reelection twenty twenty, that's going to sort of take the

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Speaker 2: win out of the sales of that type of content.

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Speaker 2: And then now when you had Jeff Bezos saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're just we don't really do politics and we're just

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Speaker 2: gonna stay out of this presidential race and it has

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Speaker 2: of course nothing to do with my own personal business interests,

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Speaker 2: they lost a flood of subscribers huge I should look

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Speaker 2: up the numbers, but it was I believe it was

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Speaker 2: like over one hundred thousand. I mean, it was a

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Speaker 2: massive blow to their subscriber base. And so what this

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Speaker 2: cartoonist is essentially alleging here is that that direction of

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Speaker 2: the post that was not an accident, it was not

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Speaker 2: a one off, that that's infected all of their coverage

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Speaker 2: and all of their auditorial to the extent that she

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Speaker 2: experienced something she said she'd never experienced before, which is

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Speaker 2: a cartoon getting killed entirely because it was unflattering, not

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Speaker 2: just remember to Donald Trump, but also to Jeff Bezos,

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Speaker 2: who owns the Washington Post. And this is why, you know,

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Speaker 2: billionaires controlling our media is such a problem. You might

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Speaker 2: recall Bernie Sanders raising this point in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Democratic primary, and he was roundly smeared and criticized and

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Speaker 2: scoffed at for suggesting that the billionaire ownership of the

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Speaker 2: Washington Post might have something to do with their incredibly

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Speaker 2: deceptive at times and outright wrong at times coverage of

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Speaker 2: his ideas and his campaign. He was roundly mocked for that.

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Speaker 2: I hope everyone can see, whether it's Elon owning Twitter

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Speaker 2: or Jeff Bezos owning the Washington Post, or these giant

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Speaker 2: media conglomerates that own so many different properties and so

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Speaker 2: have so many vast business interests, that this is incredibly

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Speaker 2: deleterious to democracy and just to getting fair and accurate coverage.

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Speaker 2: So this is one more example of that. Another one

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Speaker 2: I can throw this one in fairness Tim Cook, a

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Speaker 2: CEO of Apple who Trump famously called one time Tim Apple,

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Speaker 2: which always still sticks in my head. He is apparently

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Speaker 2: the latest tech oligarch to decide he's going to donate

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Speaker 2: a million dollars to Trump's inauguration. Now, in fairness to

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Speaker 2: Tim Apple, he has long cultivated both sides of the aisle.

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Speaker 2: He went out of his way in the first Trump

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Speaker 2: term to maintain somewhat of a friendly relationship with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: But it's still grotesque to see the way that him

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Speaker 2: and Sam Altman and a bunch of others have decided

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Speaker 2: that they're going to specifically cough up millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: to fund the Trump inauguration, which I mean is just basically,

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Speaker 2: like you know, it's just a stop right, It's just

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Speaker 2: a complete soop way of sucking up to the king

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Speaker 2: that they're doing. This is very indicative of where we are.

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Speaker 2: You read a little bit of this artult Cole because

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Speaker 2: it did have some some interesting notes here in addition

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Speaker 2: to Tim Cook says between the lines, Cook a proud

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Speaker 2: alabamaa to believes the inauguration is a great American tradition.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm sure that's why you're doing it. Here's him,

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Speaker 2: they say in the backstory here. The Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 2: shortly after the election wrote an article headline, how Tim

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Speaker 2: Cook cracked the code on working with Trump, noted that

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Speaker 2: he had spent years building personal rapport with Trump, so

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Speaker 2: time to cash in, I guess on that personal rapport.

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Speaker 2: They also note here that other Silicon Valley inauguration donors

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Speaker 2: include Amazon, Meta, Uber, open Ai CEO Sam Altman. Wall

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Speaker 2: Street's seven figure donors include Goldman, Sachs and Bank of America.

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Speaker 2: Crypto Exchanges Crackin and Coinbase also getting in on the action. Toyota, Ford,

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Speaker 2: and GM are all also donating at least a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things with these inauguration funds is

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Speaker 2: that direct corporate donations into campaigns are that's illegal. So

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Speaker 2: this is a way that corporations can curry favor and

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Speaker 2: you know, get their will meet hooks into this administration

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Speaker 2: and try to angle for whatever regulatory changes that they want,

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Speaker 2: you know, killing different regulations that they find to be

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Speaker 2: anathema to their bottom line, or sucking up for procurement

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Speaker 2: purposes so that they can be first in line for

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Speaker 2: whatever giant government contracts and subsidies that get doled out.

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Speaker 2: So this is a way for them to for these

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Speaker 2: corporate entities and the billionaire heads of these corporate entities

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Speaker 2: to directly curry favor and directly jockey for, you know,

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Speaker 2: the favor of the king. And you know, with Trump,

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Speaker 2: who's famously like this is. By the way, this is

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Speaker 2: not particularly different from other administrations. This goes on under

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Speaker 2: democratic administrations. Sure, if you go back and look who

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Speaker 2: was giving to the Joe Biden Inaugural Fund, you'll see

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Speaker 2: a similar list of characters with similarly self interested motives.

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Speaker 2: But Donald Trump is particularly sort of like break In,

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Speaker 2: and his ego drives so much of his decision making.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're on his good list, if you're

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Speaker 2: saying nice things about him, and he feels that you're

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Speaker 2: being loyal to him, he'll shower you with favors and

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Speaker 2: gifts if you get on his wrong side, as Jeff

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Speaker 2: Bezos did in the first administration. And Sam Altman is

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Speaker 2: another one who has given a lot of money to

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Speaker 2: Democrats and by the ways, very much on the wrong

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Speaker 2: side of Elon Musk, who is the you know, right

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Speaker 2: hand to the king. Right now, then you can be

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Speaker 2: in for a really rough road. The last thing I'll

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Speaker 2: note here and then I have another piece that I

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Speaker 2: want to share with you because I just mentioned Elon,

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Speaker 2: who is the right hand to the king, and so

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Speaker 2: it's not just about curring favor with Trump. It's also

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Speaker 2: about curring favor with Elon Musk, who has shown himself

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Speaker 2: already to be extraordinarily powerful, you know, beat the Laura

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Speaker 2: Loomers in the sort of like og mag of base on.

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Speaker 2: This h one be the visa issue, immediately runs Twitter

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Speaker 2: right and can use the algorithm to pump up whatever

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Speaker 2: content he wants or to you know, make life difficult

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Speaker 2: for whoever he wants. Occurring favor with him is also

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Speaker 2: really really important. But you know, this is going to

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Speaker 2: be a significant thing to track. And the biggest business

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Speaker 2: area where there is the most at stake is really

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Speaker 2: in this AI development, and that's where Elon comes in.

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Speaker 2: That's where Sam Altman comes in, That's where everyone, Mark

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Speaker 2: Zuckerberg comes in, every one of the big tech players.

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Speaker 2: They want to make sure number one, that they're in

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Speaker 2: the top pole position to be the leader in terms

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Speaker 2: of AA technology. The amount of money that is flowing

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Speaker 2: in that direction is absolutely extraordinarily massive. They're going to

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Speaker 2: be government contracts at stake as well. So some of

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Speaker 2: this jockeying, A significant amount of this jockeing is specifically

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Speaker 2: about AI and H one B fight even is tangential

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Speaker 2: and related to that fight to have complete corporate capture

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Speaker 2: and unregularly bonanza of AI development without much regard to

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Speaker 2: how it's going to impact jobs, workers, safety, or anything else.

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Speaker 2: So to get to the Elon part of this more

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Speaker 2: perfect union, noted that since Trump won, lo and behold

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Speaker 2: all of these advertisers that had fled Twitter because of

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Speaker 2: you know, all of the hate content and all of

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Speaker 2: the Nazis that are just like on your timeline all

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Speaker 2: day long at this point on Twitter. Oh, now that

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Speaker 2: they want to suck up to Elon and the Trump administration,

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Speaker 2: suddenly those advertisers, blue chip advertisers are coming back.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to a little bit of this.

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Speaker 6: Not fgo.

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Speaker 7: The biggest brands in America boycotted Twitter or what Elon

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Speaker 7: Musk now has us calling X after he took over

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Speaker 7: the platform and left hate speech run wild. Advertisers fled

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Speaker 7: like rats from a sinking ship.

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Speaker 8: Disney, Apple and IBM have pulled their ads from the

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Speaker 8: social media site to.

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Speaker 7: Which my had a pretty clear message, go yourself, Go yourself.

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Speaker 7: But suddenly they're scurrying back. Hate speech hasn't disappeared from Twitter,

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Speaker 7: so what has changed? Elon Musk is tied to the

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Speaker 7: hip with Donald Trump and the corporate giants who wants

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Speaker 7: boycotted Twitter from Disney to Comcast wants to get on

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Speaker 7: their good side.

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Speaker 3: Takeovery, lad.

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Speaker 7: Yes, after musk takeover of Twitter, revenue collapsed and the

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Speaker 7: company's value has decreased by eighty four percent. In the

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Speaker 7: second quarter of twenty twenty four, X brought in only

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Speaker 7: one hundred and fourteen million dollars in revenue. That's down

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Speaker 7: from six hundred and sixty one million in the same

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Speaker 7: quarter of twenty twenty two. Before must took the reins,

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Speaker 7: the social media company was in trouble, but Musk anticipated

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Speaker 7: a change of heart at the country's largest companies.

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Speaker 2: If Trump wins, we'll see you know.

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Speaker 4: Probably most most of the boycott left like clockwork.

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Speaker 7: As the election neared and predictions of a Trump win grew,

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Speaker 7: companies started turning their spendings Figot back on by going

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Speaker 7: back to X. Big advertisers are lending the company a

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Speaker 7: much needed lifeline.

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Speaker 9: But that's not all.

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Speaker 7: In an interview with The Financial Times, Lou Pascalis, a

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Speaker 7: marketing expert, called advertiser's.

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Speaker 10: Return to X a form of political leverage.

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Speaker 7: It's a calculated move to appease a guy who said,

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Speaker 7: there's a large graveyard filled with my enemies, and who's

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Speaker 7: so close to Trump. He started calling himself the first Buddy,

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Speaker 7: following Trump around and grooving to the YMCA with the

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Speaker 7: soon to be president whenever he gets the chance.

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Speaker 2: So you get the picture there. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: the tech equivalent of you. Remember, in the first Trump administration,

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Speaker 2: the easiest way to curry favor with Trump was anytime

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Speaker 2: a foreign dignitary or anyone came into town, had to

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Speaker 2: stay at the Trump Hotel right there in DC. Now

680
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: the Trump Hotel is not the Trump Hotel anymore. However,

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Speaker 2: another way you can directly curry favor with Donald Trump is, Oh,

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Speaker 2: he has his own crypto coin, so you could you

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Speaker 2: could purchase that, or if you want to get in

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Speaker 2: good with a quote unquote first Buddy and not run

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Speaker 2: a foul of Elon Musk, who, as I said before,

686
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Speaker 2: has already proven himself to be extremely powerful within this administration,

687
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: while your company probably is going to want to buy

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: some advertisements on X not because you think it's you know,

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00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: directly beneficial to your brand, but because you want to

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Speaker 2: make sure you're in a position to benefit from all

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Speaker 2: of those government goodies. So that is the game that's

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Speaker 2: being played right now. It is extraordinarily high stakes. And

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Speaker 2: you know, to state the obvious, it's example number three

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Speaker 2: thousand of how much the government is set up to

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Speaker 2: serve these oligarchs and these massive corporate interests over you,

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Speaker 2: Like you don't get an audience with the King or

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Speaker 2: the first Budy. You don't get to, you know, throw

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Speaker 2: millions of dollars in advertising onto their favored platform in

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Speaker 2: order to get your little pet projects approved and get

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Speaker 2: in good with the people who actually count. And so yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know this can become sort of like par for

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Speaker 2: the course in America where money is king. But this

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Speaker 2: is how you end up with a situation where the

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Speaker 2: people's voices really just don't count, where when money is speech,

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Speaker 2: you know, the people who have the most money, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna have the most speech, they're gonna have the most influence,

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Speaker 2: they're going to have the most say, and you know,

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Speaker 2: take a look at the way our government is run

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Speaker 2: and who's run for, and take a look at how

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Speaker 2: these people are behaving as the Trump administration comes into office,

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00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: and you know, there's your answer of what this government

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Speaker 2: is ultimately all about. The last thing I'll say on

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Speaker 2: this one before moving on to the next topic we

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Speaker 2: have here, which is a lot of extraordinary details that

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Speaker 2: would do my best to unpack about this whole cyber

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Speaker 2: truck dude killing himself and blowing up the truck, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: The last thing I'll say about this is I think

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Speaker 2: it was Michael Tracy who was appointing the signings without

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Speaker 2: a lot of good points. I feel like I signed

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Speaker 2: him a lot. But you know, Trump in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: part of his political power was he positioned himself as

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Speaker 2: being sort of uncorruptible. He's like, I'm a rich guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't need these people's money. I understand, in fact,

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Speaker 2: how this game was played because I played it. I

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00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: know this game better than anyone else, and I'm going

726
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Speaker 2: to drain the swamp. Okay, I'm not saying money in

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Speaker 2: politics and the corrupting influence is new under Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: That would be a lie. Both parties all in on

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Speaker 4: big money.

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Speaker 2: But we are seeing something that is even more brazen

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Speaker 2: under Donald Trump and has been taken to even more

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Speaker 2: extraordinary lengths Musk in particular giving a quarter of a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars and possibly being directly responsible for Trump getting

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Speaker 2: back in the White House and then being handled handed

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Speaker 2: this extraordinarily vast amount of power. You know, he already

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Speaker 2: got what he wanted out of that whole you know,

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Speaker 2: spending deal that had been negotiate, and then he blew

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Speaker 2: it up. One piece that I'm sure was really important

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Speaker 2: to him was it had some limits on high tech

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Speaker 2: investment in China that won against his interests because he

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Speaker 2: wants to do some tesla Ai thing in China, gets

742
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Speaker 2: that stripped down, gets his way before the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: is even in office. H one b's you know how

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Speaker 2: we feel about the program Personally, I think guestworker programs

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00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: are inherently exploitative. I agree with Bernie Sanders, who wants to,

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Speaker 2: you know, really take an aggressive approach of reform to

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Speaker 2: the Hwin and B program. That is my position as well.

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Speaker 2: But however we feel about the program, Trump completely flipped

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Speaker 2: on a dime in order to please Elon David Sachs

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Speaker 2: Mark Andresen his new tech oligarch buddies. That happened during

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Speaker 2: the campaign, but obviously the fight broke out into public

752
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: just recently and Elon won hands down, unequivocally. He didn't

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Speaker 2: get nothing for that quarter of a billion dollars. He

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00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: got so much. I mean, the return on it is

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Speaker 2: going to be extraordinary. It already has been. So you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a new level of sort of oligarch brazenness that

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Speaker 2: I don't think we should accept. And you know how

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Speaker 2: we feel about Trump, what side of the political aisle

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Speaker 2: you are on, et cetera. This is about the principle

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Speaker 2: of this is not This is supposed to be a democracy,

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Speaker 2: like people's voices are supposed to matter in this whole situation,

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Speaker 2: and instead you've got oligarchs just out and out brazenly

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Speaker 2: running the show. So that's where we.

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Speaker 4: Are, all right.

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Speaker 2: So guys, you will recall on New Year's Day we

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Speaker 2: had two separate violent incidents. One the truck attacker in

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Speaker 2: New Orleans, just horrific carnage there, and the second was

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Speaker 2: this guy who pulls up in a cyber truck in

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Speaker 2: front of the Trump Hotel in Las Vegas and then

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Speaker 2: apparently shoots himself in the head according to law enforcement,

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Speaker 2: and blows up the truck with himself inside. Thankfully, the

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Speaker 2: only minor injury injuries as far as I know, as

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Speaker 2: a result of that attack. Afterwards, there were images of

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Speaker 2: what was in the truck truck bed. It was all

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00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: these like gas canisters and a bunch of large fireworks

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Speaker 2: borders that apparently is what he used to detonate himself

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Speaker 2: the truck, et CETERA weird thing to do, especially as

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Speaker 2: we learn more details. You know, the initial image of

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Speaker 2: the sky in a cyber truck outside of a Trump hotel,

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, this must be somebody who hates Donald Trump. No,

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Speaker 2: turns out according to his political background. First of all,

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Speaker 2: he's a Green Beret and was haad the you know,

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Speaker 2: sort of like macho, more right leaning pro Trump political

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Speaker 2: ideology that you might expect from someone who's driving a

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Speaker 2: cyber truck and is a Green Beret. So that's weird.

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Speaker 2: So what was this all about? So there have been

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Speaker 2: some interesting I'm just going to go through what we've

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Speaker 2: learned as best we can, and you guys can draw

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Speaker 2: your own conclusions or still be as confused as I

790
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: am at this moment. But we've had two major developments.

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Speaker 2: One is law enforcement uncovered what they said were some

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Speaker 2: notes on his phone. They expressed, uh, sort of standard

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Speaker 2: right wing political ideology. I'm going to read those to

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Speaker 2: you in a moment, saying that DC needs to be

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Speaker 2: purged of Democrats and you know, the people need to

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Speaker 2: take charge and effectively I'm doing this to call attention

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Speaker 2: to what's going on in our country.

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Speaker 4: Is sort of like general political rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I'll show you those that law enforcement

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Speaker 2: sis was on his phone. But then there was also

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Speaker 2: this email that he allegedly sent to a guy named

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Speaker 2: Sam Shoemate, who is Intel officer and I wasn't familiar

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Speaker 2: with him, but apparently, you know, he's somewhat well known.

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Speaker 2: Shoemate goes to Sean Ryan, who is a large former

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Speaker 2: CIA large podcaster who you know, and they had this

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Speaker 2: conversation about this alleged email, which purports to indicate that

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Speaker 2: Liveelsberger blew himself up in truck to try to call

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Speaker 2: attention and blow the whistle on the fact that these

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Speaker 2: drones that have been cited are Chinese made and that

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Speaker 2: they are so dangerous to our national security that it's

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Speaker 2: effectively I think he calls it, quote unquote game over.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna read the whole email alleged email to you

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00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 2: so you know exactly what he said, and that they

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Speaker 2: use like gravity displacement to move in the way that

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Speaker 2: they do. This is something that you know, the sort

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00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: of like UFO community that they've theorized. This is total

817
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: sci fi stuff that is being alleged here. Now there

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00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: are people who are really calling into question whether this

819
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: is a real thing. So I want you to have

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Speaker 2: a lot of skepticism as we go into this, but

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to share what is out there so

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Speaker 2: that you can make your own determinations about whether or

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Speaker 2: not you think this is legit. Let me go ahead

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Speaker 2: and pull this up and we'll listen to the beginning

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Speaker 2: of this end the setup. Samshoe mate here in the

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Speaker 2: plaid shirt talking to Sean Ryan.

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Speaker 11: I get a well, it started off as comments. So

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Speaker 11: when you have a big Instagram account, you're going to

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Speaker 11: miss a lot of messages because people message you know'll

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Speaker 11: go to hidden messages and everything else. You miss a

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Speaker 11: lot of stuff. Well, I kept seeing this comment on

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Speaker 11: recent posts that I put in there and it was

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Speaker 11: from this this burner account and said, hey, check your DMS.

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Speaker 11: Check your DMS, check your DM. So I go in

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Speaker 11: there and try to find it. There's no message from

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Speaker 11: this guy hadn't come through or whatever. And then he

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Speaker 11: messages again once that message was opened up, and I said, hey,

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Speaker 11: your previous messages haven't come through. What what do you

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Speaker 11: want to tell me? And he said, what I'm going

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Speaker 11: to send you Now these are literally his words. What

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Speaker 11: I'm going to send you is going to change the

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Speaker 11: course of humanity. That was his phrase, change the course

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Speaker 11: of humanity. Okay, a little bit dramatic. I get these

844
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 11: messages all the time. People have this big story they

845
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Speaker 11: want to tell, they want to expose their command, whatever it's.

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Speaker 11: I take everything with a grain of salt until I

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00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 11: have evidence improved. So this guy is insistent. He tells me.

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Speaker 11: He tells me that he is a eighteen zulu who

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Speaker 11: I've spoken to before, and he really needs to get

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Speaker 11: this stuff to me. And then he talks about you.

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Speaker 11: He says, I need you to get me in contact

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Speaker 11: with Sean Ryan. I'm like, dude, I don't know Sean Ryan.

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00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 11: I'm not that big. But he's insistent that I get

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00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 11: him diverted to media sources, says, go to Fox News

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00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 11: whatever else. I said, all right, tell me what you got.

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Speaker 11: So I give him my proton email account, give him

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Speaker 11: my signal signal number, and he reaches out immediately, and

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Speaker 11: I'm going to read this initial message for you, because

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Speaker 11: this doesn't have names or anything else on it, but

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Speaker 11: this was his message on Sunday. He reached out and said,

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Speaker 11: like I said, Sunday, this last Sunday, he said, sending

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Speaker 11: with a VPN active on Wi Fi only, do not

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Speaker 11: message me. I will send out updates via both signal

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Speaker 11: and email, but trus me, you're going to want to

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Speaker 11: be involved. Well, first of all, no, I don't. I

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Speaker 11: didn't want to be involved anyways. And then so I didn't.

867
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 11: I didn't message. I responded back to his original Instagram

868
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 11: Instagram message and I said, hey, I got your message

869
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 11: on proton mail and he said, cool, delete this, So

870
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 11: I deleted it. That's how I ended up getting this

871
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 11: message on Tuesday. So the message that this this right here,

872
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 11: this manifesto, if you want to call it, that came

873
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 11: in on Tuesday. And when I started reading this, my

874
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 11: initial take was okay, this is off the deep end.

875
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 11: It's bonkers. I can't validate or verify any of the

876
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 11: stuff in this manifesto. And I told him that in

877
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 11: a subsequent email, and I'll read that to you later.

878
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 11: My response to him, and once again, my response to

879
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 11: him elicited, hey, get me in contact with Sean Ryan

880
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 11: Fox News, and even said Pete Hegseth, give me in

881
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 11: contact with heg Seth. And I'm like, dude, I don't

882
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 11: have the incoming Secretary of Defense's phone number.

883
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 9: Sorry, bro.

884
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: So that was kind of the setup. And then he

885
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: goes on to read the actual email. So I'll go

886
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: ahead and pull this up. And it's a little bit lengthy,

887
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: so I don't know if I want to read all

888
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: of it, but I will read a portion of it

889
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: to you. But effectively, like I said, he's raising allegations

890
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: that there we and the Chinese have this gravity propulsion technology,

891
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: that China has submarines parked off our coasts and is

892
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: sending drones up, and that this is like, you know,

893
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: a massive national security risk quote unquote game over in

894
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: terms of national security. And he also raises allegations about

895
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: war crimes that he was familiar with in Afghanistan. One

896
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: of the things that's kind of weird about the war

897
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: crimes allegations that actually was like, there were war crimes

898
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: alleged at that time in Afghanistan, but it was publicly reported,

899
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 2: so it wasn't like this was you know, super super

900
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: like secret knowledge. In any case, let me just read

901
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: you a little bit of this, So he allegedly writes,

902
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: in case I do not make it to my decision

903
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: point or onto the Mexico border, I am sending this now.

904
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: Please do not release this until January first, and keep

905
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: my identity private until then, and remem of the story

906
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: is here that he allegedly sent this the day before

907
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: his he exploded himself in the cyber truck outside of

908
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: the Trump Hotel on January first. First off, I am

909
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: not under duress or hostile influencer control. My first car

910
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: was a two thousand and six black Ford Mustang V

911
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: six For verification, so he's saying, like, this is how

912
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: improving that I am? Who I say I am, that

913
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: was my first car.

914
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: You can go and check.

915
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: Okay, what we've been seeing with drones is the operational

916
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by most recently

917
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: China in the East Coast, but throughout history the US

918
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: only we in China have this capability are op send

919
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: location for the activity is in the box below. By

920
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: the way, people looked up where those coordinates were and

921
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: it was a fifty one. He goes on to say,

922
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: China's been launching them from the Atlantic from submarines for years,

923
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: but this activity recently is picked up as of now

924
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: is just a show of force. They're using it similar

925
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: to how they used the balloon for sig INT and ISR,

926
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: which are also part of the integrated commsystem. There are

927
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: dozens of those balloons in the air at any given time.

928
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: This the so what is because of the speed and

929
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: stealth of these unmanned aircraft, they are the most dangerous

930
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: threat to national security that's ever existed. They basically have

931
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the

932
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: White House if they wanted. Its checkmate, checkmate, not gameover.

933
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: Sorry I missed quoted that earlier. Us G needs to

934
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: give the history of this, how we are employing it, weaponizing,

935
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: how China is employing them, and what the way forward is.

936
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 2: China's poised to attack anywhere in the East Coast. I've

937
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: been followed for over a week now from likely Homeland

938
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: or FBI, and they are looking to move on me

939
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: and are unlikely going to let me cross into Mexico

940
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: but won't because they know I am armed and I

941
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: have a massive I think they pronounce this a vbay.

942
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: It's like a vehicle based ied. That would be the

943
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: cyber truck that he blew up. I've been trying to

944
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: maintain a very visible profile and have kept my phone

945
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: and they are definitely digitally tracking me. Then he goes

946
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 2: on to talk about this these air strikes in Nimero's province,

947
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: Afghanistan twenty nineteen. Then he concludes, you need to elevate

948
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: this to the media so we avoid a world war

949
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: because this is a mutually assured destruction situation. So that

950
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: is the alleged email. Okay, a lot of people have

951
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: raised a lot of questions about this. This is a

952
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 2: random dude. I don't know who this person is on Twitter,

953
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: but he seemed to raise some pretty good questions and

954
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: that you know that we're getting a lot of traction

955
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: and I just want to provide you with all the information.

956
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: So here is what random guy on Twitter says about

957
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 2: this email. He says that it doesn't fit into any

958
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 2: plausible explanation of the Las Vegas bombing, and he goes

959
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: into a long thread. One of the things that he

960
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: looks into is, you know, the the proof of the

961
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: beginning where the guy's like, Okay, I had this particular

962
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: kind of Mustang that was my first car. There's no

963
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: evidence that that is actually the case, that that actually

964
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: was Matthew Livelsberger's first car.

965
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: So that's a question mark.

966
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: Also, the email itself was in if you look closely,

967
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't in the like original email form. It was

968
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: in a text editor. You could tell because you could

969
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: see the cursor. You could see you know how when

970
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: you're typing in a text editor, there's like words that

971
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: are misspelled that are underlined. So like the things that

972
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: he abbreviated and used this like technical jargon, those things

973
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: have those underlines from the text editor.

974
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 4: Now my understanding.

975
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: Sam Schuemate says, oh, well, I put in the text

976
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: editor so that I could redact names that needed to

977
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: be redacted. But people have asked him for okay, well,

978
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: you know this is pretty extraordinary. So can you show us,

979
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: like opening the email, can you give us some proof

980
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: that you didn't just like spin this up in a

981
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: text editor, And as far as I know, that proof

982
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: hasn't been straight, hasn't been forthcoming.

983
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 4: So there's that.

984
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: This random dude on Twitter also says that by all accounts,

985
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: Matthew Livelsburg was not in an unacknowledged special access program

986
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: related to the drones that he speaks of in line

987
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: and according to members of the team. He says that

988
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: really reads like something out of Anti China MSM talking points,

989
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: which is true as well. So there's some questions about

990
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: this email where it is, what it came from. I mean,

991
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: there's a number of possibilities here, right, the email is real, it,

992
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: you know, and he lost his mind and you know,

993
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: was having like a psychotic break and this email is

994
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: the product of that. It's possible the emails fake. It's

995
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: possible the email is real, and he really does have

996
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: some knowledge of these things and was trying to blow

997
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: the whistle. So I don't know, I don't know. That's

998
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: what we got.

999
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 4: On that front.

1000
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: I mentioned before, there were other notes that law enforcement

1001
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: reportedly recovered from his phone that had more of just

1002
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: like a generic right wing extremist tone to them, and

1003
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: you know then the motive for him blowing himself up

1004
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: in this bizarre fashion is that he wants to call

1005
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: attention to what's going on in DC and how the

1006
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: DC needs to be purged of Democrats. Let me read

1007
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 2: you those so you can get a flavor for those

1008
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: as well. He says, two different notes, Fellow service members, veterans,

1009
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: and all Americans time to wake up being led by

1010
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: weak and feckless leadership who only serve to enrich themselves.

1011
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: Military invets move on DC starting now. Malicious facilitate and

1012
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 2: augment this activity. Occupy every major road along FED buildings

1013
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: and the campus of FED Buildings by the hundreds of thousands.

1014
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: Lock the highways around down with semis right with everybody

1015
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: gets in hold until the purge is complete. Try peaceful

1016
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: means first, but be prepared to fight to get the

1017
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 2: Dems out of the federal government and military by any

1018
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: means necessary. They all must go in. A hard reset

1019
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: must occur for our country to avoid collapse. Here's another

1020
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: like lengthier one, but the vibe is basically the same,

1021
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: and he says, consider this last sunset of twenty four

1022
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: and my actions the end of our sickness and a

1023
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: new chapter of health for our people. Rally around the

1024
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: Trump must Kennedy and ride this wave to the highest

1025
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: hegemony for all Americans. We are second to no One. So,

1026
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: you know, these two pieces, they don't really particularly fit

1027
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 2: together because they, you know, offer two completely different motives.

1028
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: One is just like, we have to take the country

1029
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: back and these Democrats are evil and we need to

1030
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: back Trump and so let's surround DC. And I'm doing

1031
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: this to draw attention to this cause of surrounding DC

1032
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: and purging the Democrats. Other, obviously, is blowing the whistle

1033
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 2: about these purported drones in this Chinese technology. So that's

1034
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: what we know there. The other weird thing that came

1035
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: out is that he was part of a reality TV show,

1036
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: which is just kind of strange. So here's the clip

1037
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: that emerged with regards to that.

1038
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 10: It's a reality show that pits teams of elite soldiers

1039
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 10: from around the world against each other.

1040
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 7: Matt and Tim from the US Army's Special Forces, better

1041
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 7: known as the Green Brats.

1042
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 10: Matthew Libelsberger and his partner Tim Kelly, both Green Berets,

1043
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 10: appeared on The Ultimate Soldier Challenge twelve years ago. On

1044
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 10: the History Channel, not only one. It wasn't even close.

1045
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 6: You know, television, they always try to make it a

1046
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 6: little bit more competitive, but we swept the whole entire show.

1047
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 10: When he appeared on the show, Libbelsburger used a shortened

1048
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 10: version of his name, Matt Berg, So it took Tim

1049
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 10: Kelly a while to put two and two together.

1050
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 6: And then I saw Matt Berg with a older photo

1051
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 6: of him, and I was.

1052
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 10: Like, oh, no, dude, I know that guy.

1053
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 6: And then it just like tore my heart out because

1054
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 6: he was a really great Green Beret.

1055
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 10: And what was he like.

1056
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 6: He was charming, he was talented, he was personable, he

1057
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 6: was kind, he was all the things that you would

1058
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 6: expect from a Green Beret.

1059
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 10: At one point during the show, Libbelsburger lost his cool

1060
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 10: in the ninety plus degree heat.

1061
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 11: I hate his ownest man, How did you take the doll?

1062
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 12: Right now?

1063
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 10: Tim Kelly says he hadn't heard from Libbelsburger for a

1064
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 10: few years.

1065
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 6: It just categorically does not make sense from everything that

1066
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 6: I have heard. He was universally valued by his team,

1067
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 6: by his peers.

1068
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 10: I don't understand.

1069
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 6: It doesn't make sense, and it is just horrifically heartbreaking.

1070
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 4: So just other layers of weirdness to this one.

1071
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: He was in a reality show, so there you go whatever,

1072
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: for whatever that's worth. We're also learning more about his

1073
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: past and personal history. Obviously, he was a Green Beret,

1074
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: had served overseas, had struggled with some PTSD and depression.

1075
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: He also, I think had just gone through a breakup

1076
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 2: and was going through a divorce, so there were some

1077
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: some personal issues at play there as well. Reportedly his

1078
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: wife leaving him because she alleged that he had had

1079
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: an affair and that had just occurred, so that could

1080
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: certainly have played into his mental state. Another couple of

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Speaker 2: weird things worth mentioning here. So both of them, both

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Speaker 2: Matthew Livelsburger and the guy who did the truck attack

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Speaker 2: in New Orleans, both of them were had served at

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Speaker 2: what formerly was known as Fort Bragg now it's known

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Speaker 2: as Fort Liberty. There have been other extremists who have

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Speaker 2: come out of that particular military base. Of course, it's

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Speaker 2: a large military base. Many thousands of people go through there,

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Speaker 2: So there is that. And then the last piece that

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Speaker 2: I will share with you about him is apparently when

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Speaker 2: he had sought mental health care. He was deemed not

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Speaker 2: a risk diagnosed with depression, so again this all speaks

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Speaker 2: to his mental state. He had visited the military behavioral

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Speaker 2: health program multiple times in recent most months, was diagnosed

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Speaker 2: with depression, but deemed not to be a risk to

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Speaker 2: harm himself or others. So that is everything we know

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Speaker 2: at this point. It's a weird story. I mean, very possible.

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Speaker 2: This dude just you know, going through a lot after

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Speaker 2: his military serve. Well, I mean he still was serving.

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Speaker 2: He still was an active Green Beret, So went through

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Speaker 2: a lot with that, going through some personal things, lost

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Speaker 2: it and decided to take his own life in this

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Speaker 2: incredibly spectacular and warrifying fashion. But many, many questions still

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Speaker 2: remain here. So guys, good news. Ryan Grimm was able

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Speaker 2: to join me and actually made it to the studio,

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Speaker 2: so also got to check in and make sure things

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Speaker 2: are looking good there Ryan, How is it out there?

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Speaker 13: Everything is here, Nothing was stolen over the break, so

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Speaker 13: I haven't done a full inventory, but I.

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Speaker 4: Think we're pretty good, all right, Good to know.

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Speaker 13: The books are all here, the baseball's yeah, we're said, excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to wanted Ryan to join us for

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Speaker 2: this story, which is really interesting. So Elon Musk not

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Speaker 2: content with effectively buying the US government and getting to

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Speaker 2: operate it towards his ends, not content with jumping in

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Speaker 2: also to the German political system and backing the AfD

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Speaker 2: and writing it and off ed and trying to really

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Speaker 2: you know, put his imprint on that government. Has also

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Speaker 2: now jumped massively into UK politics. And all of this

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Speaker 2: also comes at an interesting time because he had gotten

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Speaker 2: very much crosswise with the sort of MAGA faithful on this.

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Speaker 4: H one B issue.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's highly relevant to his choice of

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Speaker 2: you know, jumping headfirst into UK politics. So let me

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Speaker 2: just read a little bit of this Axios report and

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Speaker 2: then get some of Ryan's reaction here, so says Musk

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Speaker 2: rocks UK politics with the tax on the prime minister

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Speaker 2: and support for the far right. So you guys might

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Speaker 2: recall relatively recently, actually Kure Starmer, whos had a Labor party,

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Speaker 2: he is the new prime Minister the UK disgusted with

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Speaker 2: the Tories, really kicked them out. Was not so much

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Speaker 2: a sort of endorsement of Cure Starmer or Labor, but

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Speaker 2: a rejection of their opponents. In any case, Kure Starmer

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Speaker 2: is the current Prime Minister. Elon Musk hijacked British politics

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Speaker 2: this week with the stream of at least sixty posts

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Speaker 2: on Twitter since Tuesday, attacking Prime Minister Cure Starmer, defending

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Speaker 2: an anti Islam campaigner that would be Tommy Robinson, and

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Speaker 2: endorsing the far right Reform Party. Why it matters, they say.

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Speaker 2: The right hand man to America's next president has gone

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Speaker 2: after the leaders of several of its closest allies in

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Speaker 2: recent months, but his fight with the British government is

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Speaker 2: turning into the nastiest yet. While Musk's ex microphone was

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Speaker 2: enough to send Westminster into a frenzy, there's been intense

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Speaker 2: speculation he'll also open his checkbook for Reform and It's

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Speaker 2: Trump aligned leader Nigel Faraj must told Axios' Micalini had

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Speaker 2: yet to donate, wasn't sure if it would be legal.

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Speaker 2: Musk labeled here, Starmer here. Stormtrooper shared meme claiming the

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Speaker 2: PM was more concerned about policing social media than about rape.

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Speaker 2: That was part of a barrage of tweets attacking British

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Speaker 2: political and legal establishment for failing to adequately investigate alleged

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Speaker 2: child sex abuse rings, one most famously in the town

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Speaker 2: of Roschjale, in which dozens of young girls were raped

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Speaker 2: between two thousand and four to twenty thirteen. So, just

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Speaker 2: to sort of TLDR this, there's a few things going

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Speaker 2: on here. First of all, Musk posing labor, you know,

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Speaker 2: for his own ideological interests.

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Speaker 4: That's one thing.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is what they're really using as a

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Speaker 2: cudgel against Starmer is this decades old, truly horrifying, massive

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Speaker 2: scandal where there were huge numbers of what they called

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Speaker 2: grooming gangs raping young girls. And for a combination of

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Speaker 2: a lot of social factors, but one of them being

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Speaker 2: most of the men who were involved in these grooming

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Speaker 2: gangs who were raping these young girls, most of them

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Speaker 2: were of Pakistani origin, and there was the sense of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we have to be culturally sensitive, which of course the

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Speaker 2: right seas on. And there was also a sense from

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Speaker 2: police of like, oh, well, these girls, they're really sort

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Speaker 2: of asking for it, you know. They didn't see them

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Speaker 2: so much as victims, which was another piece of this.

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Speaker 2: In any case, this is a decade's old story. Keir

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Speaker 2: Starmer was tangentially involved in this at the time, and

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Speaker 2: so that's the big thing that they're using right now

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Speaker 2: as the cudgel against him. So, Ryan, your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: kind of this overall story and what musk is up

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Speaker 2: to you here?

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Speaker 13: So you're right, there are a couple of things going

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Speaker 13: on here. One is that this was a horrific scandal.

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Speaker 13: It's also one that was investigated, you know, pretty seriously

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Speaker 13: over the last couple of decades. In twenty fourteen, ALEXISJ

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Speaker 13: produced a report that shocked the world. It made, you know,

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Speaker 13: mainstream news across the globe, including I think there were

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Speaker 13: like half a dozen or a dozen stories in the

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Speaker 13: New York Times about this scandal that led to additional

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Speaker 13: calls for inquiries, which Alexis J also led and others

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Speaker 13: others led. There was a national report that she put

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Speaker 13: out in twenty twenty two that laid out a bunch

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Speaker 13: of recommendations in order to make it so you would

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Speaker 13: have practices in place that would protect victims, that wouldn't

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Speaker 13: allow them to be overlooked, that wouldn't allow these cultural

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Speaker 13: concerns to get in the way of of breaking up

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Speaker 13: these these gangs. She has said what she is frustrated

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Speaker 13: about is that the Conservative government that was in place

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Speaker 13: at the time, you know, has not implemented those fast enough.

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Speaker 13: But the other thing that's going on that I think

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Speaker 13: on a kind of meta level is even more interesting,

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Speaker 13: is that, you know, throughout the first Trump administration you

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Speaker 13: had resistance liberals. Every time something kind of new came up,

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Speaker 13: they thought it was a distraction from the thing that

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Speaker 13: they ought to be paying attention to. You remember all

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Speaker 13: that discourse during the Trump the first Trump turned the

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01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 13: distraction and distraction stay focused. The elements of MAGA do

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Speaker 13: the exact same thing if you if you remember, over

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Speaker 13: the last four years, you would even have major storms

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Speaker 13: described as syops. This is a syop. They don't want

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Speaker 13: you focusing on, you know, the real thing, you know,

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Speaker 13: whatever it's counter Bud's laptop or whatever. They want you

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Speaker 13: focusing on this, on this hurricane, or on this other event.

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Speaker 13: Like they actual news events that were occurring were being

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Speaker 13: described as psyops to distract the public. This one literally

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Speaker 13: is that it is a concerted effort to manufacture a

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Speaker 13: news event where there really isn't one, you know, you know,

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Speaker 13: should the recommendations of the j Report from twenty twenty

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Speaker 13: two be implemented by the Labor government now that the

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Speaker 13: Conservative government didn't implement them. Yes, sure they should. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: but the idea that all of a sudden there should

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Speaker 13: be this global attention focused on this is very suspicious.

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Speaker 13: Like why all of a sudden do they want to

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Speaker 13: talk about this? And your point, I think is the

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Speaker 13: obvious one. There was this gigantic H one B civil

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Speaker 13: war going on which was bloodying up the Maga coalition

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Speaker 13: and not going particularly well from musk even though he

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Speaker 13: was you know, he had the power to win it right,

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Speaker 13: it was kind of ripping the coalition apart. Of course,

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Speaker 13: you get this kind of Adrian Dittman nonsense for like

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Speaker 13: a day or so, and then and then it goes

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Speaker 13: over to here. People in South Asia who are watching

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Speaker 13: this are like, this sounds like something that India got,

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Speaker 13: you know, asked Elon to kind of gin up because

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Speaker 13: it's all about Pakistanis in the UK. That might maybe

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Speaker 13: he got the idea from them, who knows, but somehow

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Speaker 13: somebody had the idea of like, you know, what we

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Speaker 13: need to really talk about is these these gang raping

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Speaker 13: Pakistanis in the UK. To get every get the band

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Speaker 13: back together, get everybody agreeing. After we had this difficult,

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Speaker 13: you know, debate over over h one b and it

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Speaker 13: to me, it it's it's an incredible example of and

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Speaker 13: here we are talking.

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Speaker 1: About it right on our show.

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Speaker 4: Because he's on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean because exactly when the richest man

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Speaker 2: in the world gets involved. You know, the UK right

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01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: now is debating they have better limits on money and

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: politics than we do. But they're debating putting additional caps

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01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: on contributions to deal specifically with Elon Musk and to

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01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: avoid you know, having the same fate befall them as

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Speaker 2: to learn some of the lessons of what we're seeing here.

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Speaker 2: You know, we must put in a quarter of a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars in Trump's campaign and now has a tremendous

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Speaker 2: power over our federal government. And so they're seeing that

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Speaker 2: and saying maybe we need to learn something from that.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think your point is a really

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01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: apt one because also the choice of vision. Again, I

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01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 2: don't want to diminish that this is horrifying story. I

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Speaker 2: remember reading about it back in twenty fourteen. The number

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Speaker 2: of girls affected, the fact that there were so few prosecutions.

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Speaker 2: In fact, in a few instances it was these girls,

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Speaker 2: young girls. I'm talking as young as eleven, who were

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Speaker 2: a few of them prosecuted themselves, as like sex workers

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Speaker 2: are for dislorderly contact, absolutely abhorrent and insane.

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Speaker 4: But it also has a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of echoes with the way that immigration restrictionists in the

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Speaker 2: US will use legitimate, accurate, undocumented immigrant crimes to paint

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Speaker 2: a portrait of an entire migrant community as criminal, even

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Speaker 2: as we know the overall statistics are that both documented

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Speaker 2: and undocumented immigrants are more law abiding than US citizens.

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Speaker 2: And there's actually similar dynamic here in the UK. You

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Speaker 2: and I had both looked up the statistics. You actually

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Speaker 2: have white Britons who are more overrepresented in terms of

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Speaker 2: prosecutions for child sex abuse than Asians or South Asians.

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Speaker 2: So it can it's also an attempt to paint a

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Speaker 2: deceptive story that this is the source of all child

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Speaker 2: sex abuse, to paint an entire community in this way,

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Speaker 2: and for him to get back in good of like see,

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Speaker 2: I do actually hate immigrants, and thistle h one b

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Speaker 2: thing like, let's just put that to the side. I

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Speaker 2: also have antipathy towards brown migrants that come into countries.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing here is he's also taken the side

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Speaker 2: of this dude that I don't even know if he

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Speaker 2: would object to being called an islamophobe.

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Speaker 4: Tommy Robinson, who's like this.

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Speaker 2: You know, originally like soccer rul again criminally, he has

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Speaker 2: been in prison for any number of things. Currently he's

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Speaker 2: in prison because he lied about this fifteen year old

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Speaker 2: Syrian migrant who a video had gone viral of this

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Speaker 2: kid getting beaten up and like sort of fake waterboarded,

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01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 2: you know, this like simulation of torture at his school,

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Speaker 2: and Robinson jumps in to say, oh, well, this kid

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Speaker 2: isn't so innocent, and to try to link him to

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Speaker 2: these sort of grooming and sexual assault allegations totally unfounded,

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Speaker 2: completely libelists found to be so required by the courts

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Speaker 2: to stop doing it. And keeping in mind the UK

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Speaker 2: does not have free speech protections in the same day

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Speaker 2: way that we would, but I think even here this

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Speaker 2: would have been potentially a legal issue. He continues, puts

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Speaker 2: on a film reiterating the same libelist claims, and the

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Speaker 2: court issues an injunction. He actually, you know, admits to

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Speaker 2: being in contempt of court. That's what he gets thrown

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Speaker 2: in prison for. So Musk has also taken up the

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Speaker 2: cause of this guy Tommy Robinson. Hears you know one

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Speaker 2: of the things that he posted. Why is Tommy Robinson

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Speaker 2: in solitary confinement prison, which he is, by the way,

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Speaker 2: he's in. He's isolated for reportedly his own safety, for

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Speaker 2: telling the truth. He should be freed and those who

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Speaker 2: covered up this travesty should take his place in that cell.

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Speaker 2: I mean, every part of that is just basically like

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Speaker 2: false and fictional. But part of what's interesting here is

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Speaker 2: Nigel Frage, the head of the right wing Reform Party,

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Speaker 2: and Musk is now backing the Reform Party. Frage has

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Speaker 2: long distanced himself and condemned Tommy Robinson like this is

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01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: too far even for him, and so that's now created

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Speaker 2: this other rift between Musk and Pharrage, and Musk is

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Speaker 2: now coming out and saying, I don't know Nigel.

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Speaker 4: Farrage effectively because.

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Speaker 2: He's not on board with Tommy Robinson, this like thug

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Speaker 2: anti Muslim hooligan. I don't know that he's the right

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Speaker 2: leader for reform. So he's jumped in with that one

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 13: Right, And I almost feel bad for the people who

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Speaker 13: are kind of earnestly, you know, following Musk's version of this,

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Speaker 13: because if that's all you're following, and he keeps repeating

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Speaker 13: to his audience, do not read the mainstream press, do

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Speaker 13: not read any news other than what you get on X.

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Speaker 13: The only way to stay informed is to, you know,

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Speaker 13: listen to what I say and listen to what I

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01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 13: elevate here on X. And if that's what you listen to,

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Speaker 13: then you actually do think that this guy, Tommy Robinson,

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01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 13: you know, stood up for these rape victims and exposed

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Speaker 13: this this scandal of these grooming gangs, and the entire establishment,

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Speaker 13: which is you know, some linkage between Epstein and QAnon

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Speaker 13: was supportive of these underground uh, you know, gangs, and

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Speaker 13: so therefore they locked the whistleblower, truth teller, Tommy Tommy

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Speaker 13: Robinson up. And if that's what you think, and that's

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Speaker 13: what you've been told, then of course you know free

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Speaker 13: It's what a travesty, what an outrage if you actually

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Speaker 13: look at what happened, like you said, oh, he made

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Speaker 13: a very specific allegation against a very specific person.

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Speaker 4: The child, by the way, the child.

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Speaker 13: The court found that to be false ordered him to

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Speaker 13: stop saying that false thing, at which point he could

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Speaker 13: have just moved on and said other false things about

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Speaker 13: other people. But he insisted on continuing to defame and

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Speaker 13: libel this child and destroying this kid's life and committing

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Speaker 13: contempt at court, and so they then he winds up. Now,

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Speaker 13: then you could debate how a society ought to handle

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Speaker 13: something like that.

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Speaker 2: Is an eighteen month persons on ince too long? Okay,

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Speaker 2: we could have that discussion, right.

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Speaker 13: But the and in the US would probably mostly just

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Speaker 13: be monetary penalties, although at some point if there's continuous

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Speaker 13: contempt of court and its rulings, like even in civil

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Speaker 13: cases you do then as you know, we're going to

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Speaker 13: talk to Stephen Donziger, you know, who spent some who

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Speaker 13: spent significant amount of time because of these contempt you know,

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Speaker 13: specifically because of contempt of court.

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Speaker 4: So but.

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Speaker 13: It's just, you know, so I'm increasingly curious to see

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Speaker 13: where this goes because if if Musk is really going

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Speaker 13: to treat Twitter X, I'm now willing to call it

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Speaker 13: X because it is really radically different than it used

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Speaker 13: to be as a weapon in his in his culture war,

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Speaker 13: which is a political war, which is a war for

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Speaker 13: you know, his his own commercial interests. If he's going

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Speaker 13: to continue using it as a weapon for regime change

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Speaker 13: around around the world. How are other governments going to

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Speaker 13: respond because he's you know, there are rules about you

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Speaker 13: know what, foreign interference in domestic politics. You know, Georgia

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Speaker 13: for instance, just banned you know, foreign interference and it's

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Speaker 13: in it's politics. In the US, you know, freaked out

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Speaker 13: because it said all all of our n g o

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Speaker 13: s are going to be illegal. Now you know, we

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Speaker 13: have our you know, foreig registration rules, other countries have

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Speaker 13: that you're you're hearing now in Europe, calls that they

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Speaker 13: just need to shut Twitter down, which would you know,

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Speaker 13: be unfortunate because that would be an attack you know

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Speaker 13: what it well, you know what it was was a

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Speaker 13: place where people could you know, express themselves and it's

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Speaker 13: still a way to reach an international audience. But if

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Speaker 13: he is just going to use it as this weapon,

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Speaker 13: I think governments are aren't really going to tolerate that,

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Speaker 13: but maybe they don't have enough power to stop it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we do have one example, which is

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Speaker 2: in Brazil, there was a sort of you know, game

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Speaker 2: of chicken or a clashing of titans between the Brazilian government,

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Speaker 2: Brazilian court system, and Musk and Twitter and ultimately, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Brazilian court system sort of held strong and Musc

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Speaker 2: ultimately back down and.

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Speaker 4: Did what they wanted him to do.

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Speaker 2: So you do without getting into all the specifics, because

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember all the specifics of what that

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Speaker 2: particular example was about, but you do have this one

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Speaker 2: example of a country saying like, no, we have our laws,

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Speaker 2: you have to buy by them or you don't get

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Speaker 2: to play in the sandbox. And Brazil has a very

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Speaker 2: large I mean it's a very large country and has

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Speaker 2: a large number of users on that platform.

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Speaker 4: So that was specific.

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Speaker 2: The last piece that I think is interesting here too

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Speaker 2: is Owen Jones Head shared this and I actually wasn't

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Speaker 2: really aware of this, but Elon Musk, at least according

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Speaker 2: to the polling, is really unpopular in with the British public.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about sixty four percent unfavorable, only

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Speaker 2: eighteen percent favorable. So you know, here in the US,

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Speaker 2: we just have this instinct to like venerate billionaires and

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01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,799
Speaker 2: know he you know, made these great companies and whatever.

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Speaker 2: We just like have this knee jerk reaction that people

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Speaker 2: have to kind of be pulled back from. But in

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Speaker 2: you know, with the British public. They have a lot

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Speaker 2: of antipathy towards him already, which is part of why

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Speaker 2: I think Nigel Frog felt comfortable, even though he would

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Speaker 2: love to get Elon Musk's money and Elon musk support,

1411
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Speaker 2: et cetera, why he felt comfortable immediately coming out and

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Speaker 2: saying no, I don't support Tommy Robinson. I've long distanced

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Speaker 2: myself from him, and I'm not going to change that.

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Speaker 2: That principle on behalf of you know, Elon Musk or

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Speaker 2: anyone else.

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Speaker 13: One thing I would add also, for whatever it's worth,

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Speaker 13: solitary confinement is torture and I don't I don't think.

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Speaker 13: I don't think anybody who's in prison, concluding Tommy Robinson

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Speaker 13: should should be subjected to to solitary confine it. But

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Speaker 13: you're right, it'll be interesting to see, you know, how much,

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Speaker 13: how much if he has as much pull here as

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Speaker 13: he's as he does elsewhere. You know, Europe is in

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Speaker 13: general a pretty weak place right now. Yeah, they rely

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Speaker 13: on him for Starlink for the Ukrainians like so that

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Speaker 13: like he's got that leverage over them start there. You know,

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Speaker 13: Starlink more broadly gives him leverage his relationship with Trump

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Speaker 13: gives him leverage, so whether they'll actually pull the trigger.

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Speaker 13: But you have seen a number of politicians throughout Europe

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Speaker 13: saying we need to nip this in the butt and

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Speaker 13: we need to just ban Twitter. But then you know,

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Speaker 13: you can have VPNs and get around it.

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Speaker 4: Sure, but it does that does just not use it.

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Speaker 13: As a weapon for his own political ends. Well, the

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01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 13: other thing it as a free speech.

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Speaker 2: The other thing you took note of immediately is he

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Speaker 2: tweeted out this thing of like, we're going to change

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01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: the algorithm to focus on copy stuff, and it's like.

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Speaker 13: Oh, like grooming gangs.

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01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like grooming gangs. But also, oh, now that

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Speaker 2: your guys into the in the White House, suddenly you're

1441
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: going to focus on Oh, everything's actually great and the

1442
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 2: US is.

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01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,839
Speaker 4: A wonderful place. Isn't that convenient? That timing?

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 13: It's it's it's so dystopian. Yes, uh, now, now we're

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Speaker 13: coming into office. Enough of all this complaining. Let's let's think.

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Speaker 13: Let's let's think and.

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Speaker 4: Share positive guys.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, except for my campaigns that I'm going

1449
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 13: to launch around you know, whatever I decide is interesting.

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Speaker 4: In the moment, correct, Yeah, And you know. This is

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Speaker 4: why listen.

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: He's such an important figure to follow, whether you want

1453
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 2: to or not, because of the amount of power that

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01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 2: he wields through combination of his wealth, his proximity to power,

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: his official position in the Trump administration, and then his

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Speaker 2: willingness to use xs this weapon. So we'll continue to

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Speaker 2: follow where this goes next because it could be very interesting.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, So I am thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 2: this morning by Marian Williamson, who is not only a

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Speaker 2: former presidential candidate who was right about many things and

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Speaker 2: maybe the party would be in the country would be

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01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 2: in a much better shape if they had listened to her,

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Speaker 2: but also is a best selling author and just all

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Speaker 2: around a fantastic person and thinker who I always enjoy

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Speaker 2: picking their brain.

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Speaker 4: Great to see Marian, Oh.

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Speaker 5: It's always good to see you. Thank you, Crystal.

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Speaker 4: All right, so you are doing something.

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Speaker 2: It's bold. Let's just say it's bold. You've decided to

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Speaker 2: run for DNC chair. And I'll just put this New

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Speaker 2: York Times reporting on the DNC chair race up, which

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Speaker 2: of course scarcely mentions you in it and describes you

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Speaker 2: as a quote perennial presidential candidate which is very dismissive.

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Speaker 2: They outline a race between Ken Martin and Ben Wickler, who.

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Speaker 4: Are two state party chairs.

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Speaker 2: Just give us a little bit of a sense, because

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Speaker 2: this is as in the weeds as it gets, these

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Speaker 2: very insular races for party chair. Give us a sense

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Speaker 2: of the contours of that race and why you specifically

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Speaker 2: decided to jump into it.

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Speaker 5: Well, of course, after my own experience, I was curious

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01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 5: how the DNC actually runs. You can't get more into

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Speaker 5: the weeds of the effects of the behavior of the

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Speaker 5: DNC than running for president. I saw the corruption. I

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Speaker 5: saw the way a apparently small group of people felt

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Speaker 5: they had the right to decide, for instance, to cancel

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Speaker 5: a primary, which is so ludicrous and has delivered us

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Speaker 5: to where we are now and what we're about to

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Speaker 5: experience for the next four years. So of course I

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Speaker 5: was curious, and I was curious if the DNC would

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Speaker 5: be looking in the mirror. I was curious about where

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Speaker 5: they would go from here. I was just observing now.

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Speaker 5: Ken Martin, in my team's my campaigns interactions, was always

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01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 5: a gentleman. He was ethical, he was honorable, have only

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 5: the greatest things to say. But I also saw other

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01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 5: behavior Sacha as we're going to win by kicking people

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Speaker 5: off the ballots, etc. The more I absorb observed in

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Speaker 5: terms of the conversation going on in the race, just

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Speaker 5: through a cursory look at the media, etc. I realized

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Speaker 5: nothing is Nobody is suggesting a fundamental change here. Nobody

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01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 5: is addressing the deeper, the deeper levels of malfunction. That's

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Speaker 5: the thing when it comes to the DNC, we're not

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Speaker 5: talking about dysfunctional. When you're losing Pennsylvania, you're losing Michigan,

1504
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 5: you're losing Wisconsin, you're losing Ohio, all these red states.

1505
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 5: This is beyond dysfunction. This is into malfunction. That's when

1506
01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 5: I decided to jump in.

1507
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 4: Go ahead and Mary and finish your thought.

1508
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 5: That was just the beginning. What's really been amazing is

1509
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 5: what I have discovered since. Because in order to get

1510
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 5: up to those forty signatures, in order to be a

1511
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 5: qualified candidate, you have to get on the phone and

1512
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 5: you're calling, you're calling members of the DNC. There's one group,

1513
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 5: the one that has invisibilized and mocked and character assassinated

1514
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 5: me from the beginning, who clearly took this idea, do

1515
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 5: not answer her calls, do not return her texts, etc.

1516
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 5: But the people I would get on the phone, what

1517
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 5: I learned is how this organization operates. The vast majority

1518
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 5: of the members of the DNC are deeply disempowered. The

1519
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 5: DNC itself runs, it's governance model is everything we say

1520
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 5: we don't want this country to be. It's a small

1521
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 5: group of elite, very opaque. By the way, you might

1522
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 5: have heard Zogby talk about the fact he's on the

1523
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 5: Budget Committee and he doesn't know the numbers. A small

1524
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 5: group of elites who take the same view within the

1525
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 5: organization that I felt as a candidate. Look, we got this.

1526
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 5: We're the grown ups here. We know how this is done.

1527
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 5: We don't need your input. Really, let me repeat. You

1528
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 5: lost Michigan, you lost Pennsylvania, you lost Wisconsin. You're losing

1529
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,440
Speaker 5: the country and Donald Trump is about to be inaugurated

1530
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 5: on January twentieth. Meanwhile, there are incredible people who are

1531
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 5: members of the DNC. There is so much talent there,

1532
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 5: there's so much passion for everything you and I believe in,

1533
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 5: so much of a real devotion to progressive governance. So

1534
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 5: the first thing you have to do is return the

1535
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 5: DNC itself, if it ever was, I think I don't know,

1536
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 5: but we put it now into alignment with the principles

1537
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 5: that we say right now basically, what this is about

1538
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 5: as a consultancy class, whether it is SDK, Nickerbocker or

1539
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 5: Precision Strategies or whatever, this is about. They're having money.

1540
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 5: This is about they are multimillion dollar contracts, which are

1541
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 5: the governing principle. Their profits are the governing principle of

1542
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 5: the DNC. It is a failed business model, It is

1543
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 5: a failed messaging model. It is a failed organizing model.

1544
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 5: And you need ahead of the DNC who's going to

1545
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 5: go in there know what's really happening, which I believe

1546
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 5: the majority of DNC members do know. But a leader

1547
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 5: of the chairman of the DNC who goes in and

1548
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 5: sets those things straight to the greatest possible.

1549
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 4: Extent, it's truly a racket.

1550
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 5: And yeah it is.

1551
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 2: I know that you've actually obtained a significant milestone. You

1552
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: were able to get the what forty signatures required to

1553
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: be a quote unquote official candidate, which means what you participate,

1554
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,879
Speaker 2: get to participate in all the forums, get to officially

1555
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: make your case.

1556
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 4: Is that what that effectively means.

1557
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had forty two by the time we said

1558
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 5: we got it. We got so yes. Later this afternoon,

1559
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 5: I'll be on the labor form. Tomorrow, I'll be on

1560
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 5: the forum having to do with the state parties. It's

1561
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:09,440
Speaker 5: very exciting. Uh, there's one in Detroit, there are two online,

1562
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 5: is another one in Washington, d C. So I'm the

1563
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 5: candidate for those who know that incremental change is not

1564
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 5: going to do it. More bells and whistles is not

1565
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 5: going to do it. You've got to recognize the corruption

1566
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 5: that's in the bones of this thing. Yeah, and that's

1567
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 5: that's the that's the truth we're telling here.

1568
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 2: You know, my fear is but right after election day,

1569
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, there seemed to be some genuine shock, possible

1570
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: soul searching going on even among Democratic elites, and that

1571
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: seems to have really faded. You have people like Jim

1572
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 2: cleiber and saying like everyone just needs to chill. It's fine,

1573
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: Kim Jefferies put back in with no dissent, as you know,

1574
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,839
Speaker 2: leader in the House. Even the contours of this DNC

1575
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: chair race, I mean, I know, you know the odds

1576
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: you're up against. Right, You've got the New or Times

1577
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: effectively through their credit writing, like not a lot of

1578
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: soul searching that we're seeing from Democratic elites, at least

1579
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 2: visa this DNC party chair race. And you have comments

1580
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 2: being made like these from Chuck Schumer that effectively indicate like, well,

1581
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: Democrats don't have a reality problem, they're just we need

1582
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: to tweak the messaging a little bit because people aren't

1583
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 2: really understanding just how absolutely incredible we are. Let's just

1584
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: go to take a listen to a little bit from

1585
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: Senator Chuck Schumer, and then I just love to hear

1586
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: from you where you think Democrats went astray and what

1587
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 2: you're hearing in terms of the level of soul searching

1588
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: or lack thereof.

1589
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 9: All too often, Kristen, we talked about the mechanics of

1590
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 9: the legislation and the details of the legislation, and we

1591
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 9: really didn't show the kind of empathy and concern to

1592
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:55,440
Speaker 9: average or show enough of it to average working families

1593
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 9: who didn't realize how much we had done and how

1594
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 9: much we care for them. So what we're going to

1595
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 9: do is spend a lot of time talking to working

1596
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 9: families showing them how much we care about them.

1597
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: So you know, again this frames this as purely a

1598
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: messaging issue. And look, I do think Democrats have a

1599
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 2: messaging issue too. They had a president of the United States.

1600
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: They have a president of the United States who is

1601
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 2: really unable to articulate much of anything about much of anything.

1602
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 2: But to purely look at this as we just need to,

1603
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 2: you know, fine tune the messaging and really tell working

1604
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 2: class people just how amazing we've been for them, I

1605
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 2: think is incredibly condescending and just utterly misses the point.

1606
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 2: Of course, lets all of the people that you're talking about,

1607
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 2: the consultant class and the elites that let us down

1608
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: this disastrous path as a country, and certainly for the

1609
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 2: Democratic Party, lets them completely off the hook.

1610
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot here, including the fact that what

1611
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 5: we're consulting firms on K Street in Washington, d C

1612
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 5: know about how to talk to people in Kansas even

1613
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 5: if they wanted to, or know how to talk to

1614
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 5: people in Nebraska, or know how to talk to people

1615
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 5: in North Dakota. Meanwhile, once again going back to the

1616
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 5: membership of the DNC, you have members who do know,

1617
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 5: who have been working in those states for sometimes decades,

1618
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 5: and they are their voices are nullified. They're given very

1619
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 5: little in terms of money. It's they're just always begging

1620
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 5: for some help from the DNC. Now, the greatest deviation

1621
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 5: is not on the matter of messaging. It's on the

1622
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 5: matter of values and principles and what does progressive governance mean?

1623
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 5: What are the values of the Democratic Party. But he's

1624
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 5: not entirely wrong, because the Republicans are very good about

1625
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 5: tending to their base. They talk to people all year

1626
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 5: in a non condescending way, and they keep people informed.

1627
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 5: Now unfortunately for people like us, Yeah, they keep them informed,

1628
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 5: but always through the lens of you know, the Republican playbook.

1629
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 5: We what the Democrats have done, and I think to

1630
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,919
Speaker 5: some extent that's what Senators what was referring to, basically

1631
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 5: just show up every two or four years, always with

1632
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 5: a gimme attitude, give us your votes, give us your money.

1633
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 5: Then you're supposed to just assume that we're going off

1634
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 5: into our wood paneled rooms and we're doing what's best

1635
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 5: for you, right, and then we'll be back in two

1636
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 5: years to talk to you. I do feel to some

1637
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,879
Speaker 5: extent the Republicans don't walk their talk, but the Democrats

1638
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 5: haven't talked their walk. One of the reasons I want

1639
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 5: to be chair. Is that you know, if the Democrats

1640
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 5: have the White House, you have the largest megaphone in

1641
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 5: the world. If you have the Speaker of the House,

1642
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 5: you have a large megaphone. If you're in control of

1643
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 5: the Senate. We're not going to have any of those

1644
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 5: things over the next session. So the Democrat the DNC

1645
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 5: has to be the megaphone. That's why it's not enough,

1646
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 5: even the best of them who are talking about traditional

1647
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 5: political activism we have. We've got to become a prophetic voice,

1648
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 5: which is what traditionally the Democratic Party was, someone who

1649
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 5: is out there and creating an entire communications network and

1650
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 5: infrastructure to be talking to people.

1651
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 11: Uh.

1652
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,560
Speaker 5: And a lot of that has to do with unleashing

1653
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 5: the power of those in these states who know how

1654
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 5: to talk to people in their states, including the fact

1655
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 5: if you're going to have a consulting firm working in Kansas,

1656
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 5: it should be a consulting firm in Kansas. It is

1657
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 5: the money when you were saying it's a racket, it's

1658
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 5: the money that's kept right here. Earlier, you and you

1659
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 5: were talking about O'Malley talking about how and David Pluff

1660
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 5: saying we need more money.

1661
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, let me actually I have that clip.

1662
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: Let me just play that clip so people know, no, right, yeah,

1663
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 2: because it is extraordinary. So David Pluff, you know, we

1664
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: we covered on this. I'm sure you watch the big

1665
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 2: pozse of interview with the Kamala Harris senior staff. We're like,

1666
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: we were perfect, we did everything right.

1667
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 5: People just don't understand.

1668
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 2: And one of the only critique, effectively, I don't want

1669
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 2: to you know, I don't want to overly generalize, but

1670
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 2: basically the only critique was David Pluff saying like we

1671
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 2: should have been a little more corrupt the way the

1672
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 2: Republicans were. Like, that's your takeaway in any case, that's

1673
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 2: what we need to this. Oh, Maley gets asked this

1674
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 2: question about, hey, do you agree with David Pluff on

1675
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 2: this from Densaki over on MSNBC. Let's go ahead and

1676
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: take a listen to a bit of that exchange.

1677
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 12: Let me ask you about something that David Pluff said

1678
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 12: on pot Save America someone you and I both know.

1679
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 12: He said, quote, we have to stop playing a different

1680
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 12: game as it relates to super packs than Republicans. They

1681
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 12: coordinate more than weight we do.

1682
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 4: I'm just sick and tired.

1683
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 12: Of it, and he was talking about kind of legal

1684
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,959
Speaker 12: advisors saying to the DNC and others, you can't coordinate

1685
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 12: at all with super packs while Republicans are doing that.

1686
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 10: What do you make of that?

1687
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 8: I think there's to that observation, and that's what I've

1688
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 8: heard as well talking to people, both lawyers and also

1689
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 8: people within the d NC. We need to make greater

1690
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 8: use of the flexibilities.

1691
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 13: Not to do things illegally, but we.

1692
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 8: Need to be making greater use of the flexibilities in

1693
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 8: the law, especially for moving money around, spending spending dollars

1694
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 8: appropriately on things so that say hockey Jeffries and his

1695
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 8: congressional candidates don't have to spend that money on If

1696
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 8: we can do with there's a party. So we need

1697
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 8: to make better use of all of the flexibilities that

1698
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 8: are in the law, because lord knows, we're getting pounded

1699
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 8: because of some of them. We need to make sure

1700
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 8: that we are playing by this new and ever developing

1701
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 8: set of rules. But that's a promising our principles. We

1702
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 8: believe in the republic ORNs above the law, but we

1703
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 8: do have greater flexibilities than we're currently using.

1704
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 4: Use more flexibility in a law. Marian, what do you think?

1705
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, what these people are doing including a pluff or

1706
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 5: trying to deflect from what really happened here. Remember, Hillary

1707
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 5: Clinton had a lot more money than Donald Trump did,

1708
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 5: and we all know the stories about the absurd expenditure

1709
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 5: expenditures of the Harris campaign. The real story here is

1710
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 5: not that they need more money. The real story is

1711
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 5: about what they spend their money on. The real story

1712
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 5: is about these consultant firms. It's a consultancy class, about

1713
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 5: their money, about their contracts that they get, by the way,

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01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 5: whether the Democrats are in power or not. Meanwhile, you know,

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01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 5: I had a meeting with some people from the state

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01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 5: parties and they had sent me a document about the

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01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 5: money that the DNC was going to be giving to

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01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 5: the state parties. And I looked at it, Crystal, and

1719
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 5: I thought, maybe I'm reading the wrong numbers. And then

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01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 5: I read it again. And then I picked up my

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01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 5: phone and I used a calculator, and then I read

1722
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 5: it again. Maybe my calculator is broken. It was like

1723
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 5: the budget of a small nonprofit. We're talking about having

1724
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 5: to save our democracy here, and this is a consultancy class.

1725
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 5: They're talking about getting more money. They want to get

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01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 5: more money, they want to do more with super packs,

1727
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,759
Speaker 5: by the way, and in order to feed themselves. Because

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01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 5: they're not feeding, they're not feeding the states. And not

1729
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 5: only that, they're not even feeding themselves in a way.

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01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 5: Once again, I'm going to say it again, these people

1731
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,440
Speaker 5: lost Michigan, these people lost Pennsylvania, these people lost Wisconsin,

1732
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:04,480
Speaker 5: these people lost Ohio. The entire template, the entire paradigm

1733
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 5: of how things work and the governance of the DNC

1734
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 5: needs to change. That is what I believe a lot

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01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 5: of the members of the DNC do realize. These are

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01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,799
Speaker 5: some very good people and some very smart people. Nobody's

1737
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,919
Speaker 5: dumb here. Everybody gets what's happened.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 5: The issue is are we willing to demand the changes?

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01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 5: And this is the first time, this race, is the

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01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 5: first time in a long time that the membership of

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01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 5: the DNC does have the opportunity to say, you know what,

1743
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:37,799
Speaker 5: we're going in another direction. Yours is a failed to template,

1744
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 5: and if we continue with that without addressing the deeper problems,

1745
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 5: there won't be any real change. If we want a

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01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 5: different government in the House, if we want a different

1747
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 5: government in the White House in four years, we're going

1748
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 5: to have to be a different Democratic Party. You know

1749
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 5: Trump is a political sorcerer. They we have to meet

1750
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 5: the level of of his frequency psychologically and emotionally with

1751
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 5: the American people, and you're certainly not going to do

1752
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 5: that with people with fake tattoos on TikTok and languaging.

1753
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 5: You know, when people were telling me some of the

1754
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:22,799
Speaker 5: ways that the people in their state were offended by

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01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 5: the verbiage, so that when Senator Schumer says, we didn't

1756
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 5: talk to them enough, even when you talk to them,

1757
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 5: you talk to them in ways that have nothing to

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01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 5: do with that single mother who works at Walton. She's

1759
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 5: got two kids. Walmart, she's got two kids. This whole

1760
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:43,919
Speaker 5: thing needs to needs to change. And we have the membership,

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01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 5: I'm absolutely sure of it. You have so much energy

1762
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 5: and talent to be unleashed within the membership of the DNC.

1763
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 5: But that elite establishment, which doesn't even report the numbers

1764
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 5: of where that money is going, but purports to be

1765
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 5: the ones who know and the ones who know how

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01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 5: to do this, that entire template of governance needs to change.

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01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 5: And I'll return to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, in a sane world, many people within the party

1769
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 2: party elites would be looking to you and saying, you know,

1770
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:18,600
Speaker 2: in terms of the domestic message that you were running on.

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01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 4: You were absolutely right.

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01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 2: Some of them are even admitting now you know, you

1773
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: know that Bernie Sanders that class based analysis in the party,

1774
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 2: maybe they were onto something. They'd be admitting that, they'd

1775
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 2: be admitting how wrong they were to block you and

1776
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 2: others and really, you know, just completely cancel the primary

1777
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 2: process in certain instances, and they'd be saying, you know,

1778
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 2: these are the type of voices that we need in

1779
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 2: the party elevated so that we can dramatically turn this ship. Unfortunately,

1780
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 2: we aren't seeing that reckoning within the elites. But you know,

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01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 2: I pray that you're correct in your analysis and that

1782
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 2: there's that desire for change among some of the rank

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01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 2: and file in the DNC. Mariyan tell people were they

1784
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 2: can follow you and substack your podcast and then thank you, yeah.

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01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. Well, people go and certainly look

1786
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 5: at my substack at Maryanwilliamson dot substack dot com and

1787
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 5: the website for the race now that I've got those

1788
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 5: now that we've got those signatures, the website will be

1789
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 5: up today or tomorrow. But people can certainly follow me

1790
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 5: on social media. I'm out there and at this point

1791
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 5: I think we have we have the critical mass of

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01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 5: people who understand what the problem is. Now we need

1793
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 5: a critical mass of people who have the spine and

1794
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 5: the courage to say we're going to change this, because

1795
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 5: the assault on our democracy is simply too great to tolerate.

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01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 4: Very well said Mary, and great to see you. Thank

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Speaker 4: you so much, My pleasure