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Speaker 2: today's guest is someone who I met just a few

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Speaker 2: have a great conversation. Please welcome to On Purpose. Charles Leclerk.

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Speaker 2: Charles Leclerk is one of the biggest names in global sport.

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Speaker 2: Charles currently raised in Formula One, driving for the legendary

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Speaker 2: Ferrari since twenty nineteen, the youngest driver in history to

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Speaker 2: be signed up by the team, Charles features in the

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Speaker 2: hit Netflix series Drive to Survive and is loved by

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Speaker 2: fans and sports community alike for his positive mindset and determined,

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Speaker 2: straightforward approach. Charles, thank you for being.

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Speaker 1: Here, well, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to finally meet you in person and to be here.

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Speaker 2: When I was researching, as I do for all my guests,

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Speaker 2: I can listen to interviews, I'll read articles. You haven't

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Speaker 2: now was the right time and this was the right platform.

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Speaker 1: You've got something special in all the different interviews you do.

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Speaker 1: I think you get out the best out of the people,

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Speaker 1: and it's something very special. Of course, we do lots

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and I want to thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for trusting me. I don't

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. But let's dive straight in. I want

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Speaker 1: I think it's made me grow faster. I lost my

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Speaker 1: inter racing, and to lose him at that age made

436
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: me an adult much much faster, because you get to

437
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 1: manage your own things much earlier. Before that, I was

438
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: just a kid. He will just bring me to the races.

439
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: I will do what I love the most, which is driving.

440
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: Then flights, organization planning. That was all on my father,

441
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: and he was doing that perfectly, and he sacrificed a

442
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: lot for me to get here. But then at one point,

443
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: from one day to the other, there's not your father anymore,

444
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,479
Speaker 1: and you need to take all of these things in hands.

445
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: I've got my younger brother. Also, my older brother was

446
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: he's ten years older than me, so he was already

447
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: an adult in a way. But my younger brother was

448
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: three years younger than me. Had to take care of

449
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 1: my mother as well. So all of these things it's

450
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: not something that comes natural when you are seventeen or

451
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: eighteen years old. It took some time to get used

452
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: to it, but I think we all got much closer

453
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: in the family after that. It was a difficult moment

454
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: as well, to lose my father because I think I

455
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: was in the age of around fourteen to nineteen where

456
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: you're always clashing a little bit with your parents. After that,

457
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: I think it got puts us all together much much

458
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: closer than before.

459
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was what was it like racing that year? Like,

460
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: you know, having to show up again now where you

461
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: don't have your mentor and you don't have the person

462
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 2: who believes in you and loves you in Trincy, Like

463
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: what was that like? Because I think that that is

464
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: that's so brave and it requires a inner strength. Like

465
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: what was that for you? What was it like?

466
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was on the on the Tuesday

467
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: of Baku, I had a Formula two race. I was

468
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: in Formala two, not yet in Formula one, and he

469
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: passed away, I think on the on the Tuesday, and

470
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: I had the flight on the Wednesday to get to

471
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: the race. As soon as he passed away, I asked

472
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: myself what would he want me to do? And I

473
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: had no doubts. I mean, there was only one answer.

474
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: He was leaving for racing. He loved so much racing,

475
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: and he loved seeing me racing, and especially when I won,

476
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: So I knew I had to go there. And do

477
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: absolutely everything to try and win the race, and that

478
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: gave me an extra motivation as well to make him

479
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: proud from there. So it was super important for me

480
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: to do that.

481
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: What was his reaction when you won and what was

482
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: his reaction when you didn't win.

483
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: I think the honesty to myself always came from my father.

484
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: He was always super honest with myself. With me, he

485
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: was obviously harsh whenever things weren't going the way he

486
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: wanted or whenever he thought that there was a mistake

487
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: that was to be made at that time of my career,

488
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: but at the same time incredibly happy whenever I won.

489
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: You could really see how much it meant to him.

490
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: So he was coming to every racist, absolutely every racist.

491
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: But I will say he was a bit of a

492
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: different father on races, because the father tends to be

493
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: always with the kids on races and always be there

494
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: and pushing them, and he was always doing a step

495
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: back on that, trying to let me grow in my

496
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: own environments with my engineers, me with my mechanics and

497
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: get there at the end of the weekend and then

498
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: have the discussion at the end of the weekend. Okay,

499
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: I saw that this you shall have done better, But

500
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: this was amazing and he was always super supportive and

501
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: also in difficult moments. I think that's all you need

502
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: sometimes the good person, a person that is obviously close

503
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: to you, that only wants good from you for you,

504
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: and that tells you supportive words. And I knew that

505
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: this was a huge help that then I lost when

506
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: I lost my father. Obviously there was still my mom,

507
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: but my mom doesn't have the technical knowledge that my

508
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: father had on racing. But it's super important to have

509
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: close people that then also along your career, whatever level

510
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: you at, can tell you the right things at the

511
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: right moment for you. And yeah, this was super important

512
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: to me.

513
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he sounds like an amazing man. It sounds like

514
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: such a wonderful, wonderful mentor to have in life. And

515
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: is there any words of advice that he said to

516
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: you or something you shared with you that you feel

517
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: you always kind of carry with you, whether it's on

518
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: race there or in life. Is there something that he

519
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: left you that you feel you always turn towards to.

520
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: Always stay humble and grateful. I think these are the

521
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: two words that he always said, because even when I

522
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: was six or seven years old, I've had years where

523
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: years that were extremely good for me at that age

524
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: where I used to maybe doing twenty four races and

525
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: I would win eighteen or the twenty four races, and

526
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: at that age you get carried away like I'm the

527
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: best and this is yeah, this is for me. I'll

528
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: get to formal one. And he was always there. Child,

529
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: you're only six years old. Formula one is a very

530
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: long way, so you need to keep working, stay stay humble.

531
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: It was always always in a funny way that I

532
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: was doing that. I've never been arrogant in a way

533
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: because I think it's a trait of our family. We

534
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: are all like this. But yeah, I think these are

535
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: the two words that I always keep and remind me

536
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: of it, and especially the great full part.

537
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you stay humble when, like you said,

538
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 2: you're racing the dream, you're driving Ferrari, like you know,

539
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: life's great, Like things are awesome opportunities everywhere, like how

540
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: And I can feel it from you by the way,

541
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: I believe it, and anyone who's listening or watching, I'm

542
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: sure you can feel it. I can sense it just

543
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: from sitting with you, that it's true. How have you?

544
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: How have you remained that way, and how do you

545
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: train yourself to remain that way? Obviously comes naturally in

546
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: your family, which is beautiful, but is there a practice

547
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: of tempering with your ego in a way that's helped you?

548
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: Not really, not really don't know the I mean to

549
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: be humble. I think, yeah, I've never really worked for that.

550
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: It's just worse that my father told me. And I

551
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: always remind myself because as I said, sometimes you can

552
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: have four really really good races and you feel like, Okay,

553
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: I found the rhythm, and he's very easy in those

554
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: very very good moments to maybe work a little bit

555
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: less than in a very difficult moments. And this is

556
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: maybe where sometimes I remind myself, Charles, Yes, you are

557
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: in a very good moment of your career, but that

558
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: you still need to work as hard as in a

559
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: very difficult moments, because all the people that are now

560
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: struggling are going to work and going to catch up

561
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: at one point. So you need to keep working as

562
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: hard as possible. Where I have to do a bit no,

563
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: not a bit more work, but where I have to

564
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: think a bit more. It's in the difficult moest to

565
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: be still grateful to be in the position that I am,

566
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: because when you leave the moment and that you struggle

567
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: with a race or two three races in a row,

568
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: lots of critics are coming to you. Obviously, it's a

569
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: sport that is quite It's getting bigger and bigger, especially

570
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: in the US now, it's getting huge. In Europe It's

571
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: always been huge, But there's a lot of pressure when

572
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: you are for arry driver as well, even more so

573
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: because it means a lot to people all around the world,

574
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: and you need to manage those pressures in the difficult moments,

575
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: and it might be difficult also to manage the opinion

576
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: of others in those very difficult moments, and it might

577
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: hurt you personally as well. That's where I always try

578
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: and work on remembering how grateful I am and how

579
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: lucky I am to be in that position.

580
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Was there a criticism or that kind of

581
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: feedback that hurt you the most where you're like, oh,

582
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: that was hard to deal with, that was difficult? What

583
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: would that be if there was one?

584
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: The critics that hurts me the most are the ones

585
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't define me as a person. I think in

586
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: the world we are living now with social media everybody

587
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: can give their opinion super easily, and also people that

588
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: don't know you personally. Yeah, remember like two or three

589
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: years ago someone who said, look how arrogant is And

590
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: these are critics that really hurts me because I know

591
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm not like this and it's difficult to accept them

592
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: when you are not when you are not really like that,

593
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: and I remember that hurting me personally. Then you always

594
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: get critics on your driving or if you do a

595
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: mistake in a race or whatsoever. But this is part

596
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: of the sport. This used to hurt me back, especially

597
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: the first year in Formula one, because you get from

598
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: a formula to driver, whether there are no media, nobody

599
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: talks about you, you do a mistake and only my

600
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: memo my dad will say, okay, Charles, you did a mistake.

601
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: That it's not good. Where you get to Formula one

602
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: and then you're in the spotlight of absolutely everything you

603
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: do a mistake and hundreds or thousands of people are

604
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: speaking about it on social media, which it takes a

605
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: bit of time to get used to. I remember the

606
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: first year in Formula one. I I got into from

607
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: when I was watching absolutely everything that people will say

608
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: about me because it was it was new for me,

609
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: and then you get to learn to just make sure

610
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: that you only value what people you love most think

611
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: about about me, and that is only what matters to me.

612
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that's how to do. Like you said,

613
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: like you go from being in Formula two when no

614
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: one's talking about you to Formula one where everyone's talking

615
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: about you. And I think people in the world have

616
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: that experience as well. That we're now living at a

617
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: time where everyone can comment, everyone can share, everyone can

618
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: say something. I know I struggle to deal with it

619
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: as well. Like I find it really difficult, and I

620
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: love what you said that it's always when it's about

621
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: your character that it hurts more. If someone says, like, oh,

622
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: you didn't get that technical thing right whatever. I can

623
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: live with that, but it's really hard when it's about

624
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: you as a human, yeah, in your truth, when you're like, no, no,

625
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: I'm not like that. Like I wish I've said this before.

626
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: I wish that I if everyone who felt that way

627
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: about me, I wish I could meet them personally exactly

628
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 2: and hold their hands and just talk to them for

629
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: a second, yeah, and say, look, this is who I

630
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: truly am. I am and I'm so sorry that somehow

631
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: you felt that I was that way, and whatever it was,

632
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that it made you feel that way. But

633
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: I promise you this is who I truly am.

634
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: But you can't exactly that exactly that. No, no, you can't.

635
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: Too many people. I always try also to use the

636
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: social media in order to reflect my true self. Then

637
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: if someone doesn't like my true self, and then it's

638
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: like this, I won't be liked by everybody else in

639
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: the way, by everybody in the world. This is normal.

640
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: So I just need to be my true self. But

641
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: as you said, it's just difficult when someone understand a

642
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: trait of your personality wrong and then criticize it, and

643
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: you're like, that's that's not me, and I wish I

644
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: could prove you, but it's it's like life.

645
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. You were saying earlier that you know fear

646
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: and what you're scared of, and I've read before that

647
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: you've said that you're scared of when your brother's is driving,

648
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: that that is something that you get scared about. So

649
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: you're not scared when you're driving and you're in control,

650
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: when you're not in control, Walk me through what goes

651
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: through your mind, like, is that what is that fear?

652
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: What's that experience?

653
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: Because as much as I'm not scared for me at all,

654
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm still completely aware that it is such an incredibly

655
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: dangerous sport. As much as there's been so much safety

656
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: improvements over the years, it is and we'll always be

657
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: a dangerous sport because we go at crazy spids and

658
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: anything can happen. Whenever I'm in control and I'm racing,

659
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: not one part of me thinks about the potential risk

660
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm occurring doing that. However, when I see someone I

661
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: love a lot doing exactly the same thing, then you

662
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: see the things very differently. Of Course, I'm always looking

663
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: at the performance, but for me, what is the most

664
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: important thing of all his security, him making it safe

665
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: to the end of the race, and then whatever else

666
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: comes secondary. It's not as enjoyable to watch racing when

667
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: my brother is racing, because it's just super scary and

668
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: I get super super stressed.

669
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: What's the fastest you've ever been? And when you've watched

670
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: your brother, what's the fastest he's ever been? Where you've

671
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: been worried or was there a race where you felt

672
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: like that was the one?

673
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: Every every race, every races is a torture.

674
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 2: So do you even watch?

675
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: No, I do you do?

676
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: You still watch? These are the performance and you want

677
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: to help him out.

678
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: But it's difficult because also we are on the same

679
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: race weekends, and most of the times I've got meetings

680
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: preparing my race at the same time of his race,

681
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: and so I need to look at the race but

682
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: at the same time be focused on my meeting. And

683
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: this is the hardest task ever. But fastest speed probably

684
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy kph, which is around two thirty

685
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: miles per hour. I think something like this. I don't

686
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: think that is the impressive part of Formula one. The

687
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: straight line speed is fast, but you don't really fill

688
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: it in a car like like a Formula one car,

689
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: it's mostly the breaking the speed in the corners is

690
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: something crazy and very difficult to put into words and

691
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: to make it understand in a way.

692
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: No, I know. I only know how hard it is

693
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: just from playing the video game. Yeah, like that, that's already.

694
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: You try playing F one video games like it is

695
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: one of the hardest things.

696
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: Do you play on the controller? Do you have a simulation?

697
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: I'm the controller. I haven't got the will and you

698
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: need to get. Yeah, yeah, even that, you just recognize

699
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: just how challenging it is. Like it's when when you're training,

700
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: did you ever have you seen Obviously I'm sure you've seen,

701
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: But when you're training, I'm sure there's accidents. I'm sure

702
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: you see things that are that are painful to watch,

703
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: either with yourself or with others you love. Like, how

704
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: is that like when you're training, Because obviously in F

705
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: one that made it safe for everything, but training is

706
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: like training, right, it's not the same standards.

707
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, it's a very different sport to others,

708
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: football or whatever other sports in the world. You can

709
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: train as much as you want. In form one, you can't.

710
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: I only have three days in the Formula one car

711
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: over the year, and then it's the first race. That

712
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: is the only practice I get. It's three days in

713
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: the new car. You need to understand what's the behavior

714
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: of the car, not long at all, that is nothing,

715
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: that is nothing, and then all the rest is done virtually.

716
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: So you race. You practice on simulators without the controller

717
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: with the will this time, but you practice on simulators

718
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: in order to get ready for the real thing. And

719
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: then you've got three days in order to get to

720
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: get up to speed, to understand tons of informations from

721
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: the car that is mostly on the engineers to do that,

722
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: and then you need to be ready at the first

723
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: qualifying session a week later. This is very, very, very difficult. Then,

724
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: as you were saying, we all know it's a dangerous sport.

725
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: I've unfortunately lost my sporting godfather in twenty and fourteen,

726
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Geux Bianchi, who was an incredible driver and he had

727
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: a fatal crash in Japan and lost his life there.

728
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: And also another friend Antoine in twenty nineteen in Belgium.

729
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: And these are very very difficult moments because then you

730
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: are racing on this exact same track, you are going

731
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: through the exact same corner where a person that you

732
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: were close with lost his life. And this is the

733
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: two moments in my entire career where you have a

734
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: bit of negative thoughts going into that corner and you

735
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: need to battle a bit through them in order to

736
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: think about something else and get on with it. As

737
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: much as it's difficult, because a part of me was

738
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: like I cannot get on with it, like nothing happened.

739
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time you've got to do that

740
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: at least as soon as you get inside the car,

741
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: and so you get out of the car. You need

742
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: to do that. You need to focus fully on driving,

743
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: otherwise you are never able to extract the maximum out

744
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: of the car.

745
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that balance between acceptance. We often think like it's

746
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: acceptance or action, and actually you're saying it's both together.

747
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: There's an acceptance of the truth of what happened, and

748
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: then at the same time you have to drive. And

749
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: it's not either raw. It's not like Okay, I'm going

750
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: to get over this and then we're going to drive,

751
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: because that could take forever. Yeah, And you can't just

752
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: drive and ignore it because it will come up. And

753
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: I remember, I mean I remember. One of my favorite

754
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: movies is Rush with Nicki Louder and James Hunt. Like

755
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: that's probably one of my favorite movies. And it's you

756
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: see so much of the world of like the ego,

757
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: the fame, the success, the focus, the amount of effort,

758
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: the competition, like you see the dangerous side of it.

759
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: Like it's so well done. The movie. I've always been

760
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: a fan. I wonder whether you're a fan of that

761
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 2: movie or whether you're like, it's not like that at all.

762
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: No, I love it. I love it. I mean, I

763
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: think it's a really good representation of what the sport

764
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: was back then.

765
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, not now.

766
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was amazing to see how it was

767
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: back then and how it is now and how much

768
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: everything has changed. And I also think that as much

769
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: as today when I say that, I'm getting into the

770
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: car and there's not one part of me that think

771
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: about the danger, I really believe that thirty forty years

772
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: ago that was completely different for the drivers back then,

773
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: and they probably I think it was the driver that

774
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: was willing to get the closest to death that was

775
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: the fastest because they were so brave. The cows. I've

776
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: driven old cows now and there was no safety like

777
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: the where they had the legs is just something like

778
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: this off metal and if you take it, if you

779
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: take if you take a world, that's that's it. And

780
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: obviously I'm sure they had that in mind somewhere, which

781
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: now everything is so much safer that you don't you

782
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: don't think about it anymore. So I think the sport

783
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: has evolved like crazy since then. But it's a great movie.

784
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, And I love hearing that, like it's

785
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: so interesting. Obviously we know it's changed. But to hear

786
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: about how much the cars have changed, how much safer

787
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: they are, like the level of risk that a driver

788
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: was taking back then is is insane. It's unfathomable to

789
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: even recognize, like you're saying, it's interesting for some of

790
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: the outside to even look at that. What was your

791
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 2: favorite car that you've gone back and driven. Is there

792
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: like a favorite error or like a favorite year that

793
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: you've seen or exposed to and why why is it special?

794
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: I've actually driven the Niki lauda car that was very

795
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: very special. Unfortunately, I had a problem on the car

796
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: while driving on the brakes, which was pretty scary. But

797
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed driving that car. But it was completely different.

798
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: I think also in terms of driving it was super different.

799
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: You had the gearbox, you had the shifters, so you

800
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: had to press the clutch every time you will pass

801
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: the gears like in a normal car today, but now

802
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: in a Formula one car, everything is electronic, so you

803
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: pass the gears, you only press a button. You don't

804
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: have to press the clutch, you don't have to press anything,

805
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: and your brain can focus on many, many other things.

806
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: We've got hundred thousands of things going on the stingle

807
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: that we need to touch while driving. But you haven't

808
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: got to think about the gears anymore. Back then, I

809
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: think the gears were was a super important part of driving.

810
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed driving this, this Louder Old cars.

811
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: This was very special.

812
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: It's amazing. I can imagine the amount of attention this takes. Like,

813
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 2: like we said, you're on the road for a long time,

814
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: You're doing so many races a year, You've got so

815
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: many things happening in front of you while you're on

816
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: the race, it's natural to experience burnout, Like it's natural

817
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: to become exhausted. Do you find that you're what do

818
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: you do as recovery? Like you were saying, like and

819
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: you just came from the Brazil race, Like just now,

820
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: like what a couple of.

821
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: Days years ago?

822
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, two days ago? Like what did you have

823
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: to do in those two days to just feel normal again?

824
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: If normal is even a reality.

825
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: I love music. I play piano and.

826
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: I've seen videos of it. You're pretty good, yeah.

827
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: Kind of, but good enough to enjoy it and to

828
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: disconnect from everything. And for me, piano and music in

829
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: general is an an amazing way of disconnecting myself from

830
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: the pressure of Formula one, from Formula one as a whole.

831
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 1: You don't sing the I don't know no no better better,

832
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't think just just playing the piano. But yeah,

833
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: playing the piano is definitely one of the thing I

834
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: love most. Disconnect and rechargement batteries.

835
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: And has that been a part of your life for

836
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: a long long time through the whole journey?

837
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: Actually not at all. I started during COVID lots of

838
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: time at home. I had a simulator, so I was

839
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: driving a lot virtually every day, but yeah, with twitters actually,

840
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: But after two weeks, two weeks and a half, doing

841
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 1: that all day was getting quite tiring. So I bought

842
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: a piano. I started then, and I loved it.

843
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, And what is it that? Like? How do

844
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: you how have you to have you simply taught yourself

845
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: to play? Like? Is that how it's worked?

846
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: Yes? I always when we were younger, my younger brother

847
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: used to have a piano, so I sometimes was playing

848
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: on it, but not I never took like courses or whatsoever.

849
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: And I thought COVID was a great time to try

850
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: and learn it a bit more, pushing a bit more

851
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: and trying to understand a bit more how everything works.

852
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: So I took some lessons like five or six, but

853
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: very quickly I realized that I wasn't done for lessons,

854
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: So I just told myself the piano and tried to

855
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: came up with melodies and musics that I enjoyed. Yeah,

856
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: sometimes I thought I will be on the piano since

857
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: an hour, and I will look the time and it

858
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: will be four or five hours past. I just really

859
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: really liked it.

860
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to hear that you've had And I

861
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: guess COVID was a surprising time where people had a

862
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: bit more time or to take up hobbies and try

863
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: new things. But I've always found that especially Formula one,

864
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: like it's so grueling, there's so much attension required, there's

865
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: so much focus required. How has your and we were

866
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: just talking about it when you came in today, Like

867
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: you don't have that much time for a personal life.

868
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: You've got the events in between, You've got like, how

869
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: have you made sense of that? What does your personal

870
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: life look like when you do have time? How much

871
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: time do you get a year? Right, let's start there.

872
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: How much time do you get a year where you've

873
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: actually got time for your family, your friends and yourself.

874
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: I will say maybe forty days, forty days, yeah, like

875
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: thirty forty days a yeah. We've got two weeks, two

876
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 1: weeks and a half in August and then two weeks

877
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: two weeks and a half in December, so for Christmas

878
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: and everything. But then also with Formula one, the good

879
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: thing is that we travel all over the world, but

880
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: years after years you also go to always the same places,

881
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: which then you meet new people in this city, and

882
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: then you've got group of friends a little bit everywhere

883
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: around the world, which is also super nice. So whenever

884
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I go to Brazil, here in Los Angeles, Miami, I've

885
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: got my group of friends there. So it's always great

886
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: to come back to a race. Obviously you want to

887
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: drive as much as possible and being the car again

888
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: as soon as possible, but at the same time you've

889
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: got your friends there, so it's not like my private

890
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: life is suffering a lot from it. My mom also

891
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: now can follow me on races. I think it's more

892
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: when I was a kid there, it was a bit

893
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: more difficult in a way that you are. Sometimes you

894
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: are leaving school for two or three weeks for different races,

895
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: and there you don't spend as much time with your

896
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: home friends. I used to not speak Italian and English

897
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, So you get to the

898
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: cuting tracks and you cannot really speak with anybody. So

899
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: that is a bit more the difficult parts. But at

900
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: the same time, I was so incredibly happy to go

901
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: to the racetrack to drive kouting that was making it

902
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: all up for it.

903
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, are there any other athletes or any other sports

904
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: or even musicians maybe even because of or architects, engineers

905
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: that you've kind of like looked to and been inspired

906
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: by and I pulled from. Have you studied people that

907
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: you find fascinating? All that kind of become your guidance

908
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: and mentors, even if you don't know them personally, or

909
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: is it or is it very much a personal love

910
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: and a personal inspiration thing.

911
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: I really try to be the best version of myself.

912
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: Having said that, there was one driver that for me

913
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: was the best of all time was Earton Senna. I've

914
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: never had the chance because I'm too young to have

915
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: witnessed him in real life, but obviously through movies some

916
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: books I could learn more about his person and what

917
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: he's done. In Formula one and he's always been a

918
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: person that I've admired, and he was also the idol

919
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: of my father, so I think that played a part

920
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: into it as well.

921
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: What was it specifically about the way he raised from

922
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: what you've seen in footage and books, What was it

923
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: about him?

924
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Just the precision that he had at that time. It

925
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: was also in the time where we were mentioning before,

926
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: in a much more dangerous time of Formula one. Sadly

927
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: he lost his life on the track, but he was

928
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: so precise and he was extremely special in Monaco. He

929
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: was special everywhere, but in Monaco even more so. And

930
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: being in Monaco watching the videos of his on board

931
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: camera of his qualifying laps around Monaco was is just crazy.

932
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: Have any similar has ever done this where you could

933
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: race alongside legendary races? Does that exist?

934
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: Like?

935
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 2: Have you like if you wanted to race him? Maybe?

936
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: Maybe like games, but not like proper like simulators. No, No,

937
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: our simulator is crazy. It's in a room that is

938
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: maybe there's five or six times bigger than this one,

939
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: and it's like a huge simulator moving everywhere to try

940
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: and reproduce the g forces. So now they are really pushed.

941
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: But you're only racing on your own, so you cannot

942
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: reproduce a race or whatsoever. You're just doing laps on

943
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: your own.

944
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: That similartor where is that station?

945
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: Like where do you go in Marinello?

946
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and that's that similar you're in all year around.

947
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: The three days are in the real car.

948
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: Yes, so you do three days in the real car

949
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: and then everything else is on the simulator.

950
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: Walk us through what that simulator feels like, like what

951
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: you described it briefly there, but like walk us through

952
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: like how what does it give you and what does

953
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: it not give you?

954
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: So what it gives you extremely well is that the

955
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: engineers have managed to reproduce extremely close to the real

956
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: car the feeling that you get in the real car.

957
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: The thing that it doesn't give you and will I

958
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: think never ever give you is obviously the adrenaline first,

959
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: because you know you're on a simulator, you crash, you

960
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: press a restart better, then you go again, which in

961
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: reality is a bit more difficult. And also the g

962
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: forces because we've got a huge platform which reproduces the

963
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: G forces, but you're only going from right to left

964
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: and then it stops in a formul one car when

965
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: you turn right, then the g forces are always there

966
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: until you stop turning right, which, yeah, makes a big

967
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: difference because to be precise on a platform that is

968
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: quite stable is one thing. To be precise in a

969
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: formul one car with all the vibrations, with all the

970
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: g forces that your body goes through is a complete other.

971
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: So it makes things a bit more complet.

972
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: It's fascinating to even think that you have to do

973
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: something for work that you don't actually get to do,

974
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: and it's phenomenal how smart and astute and intense you

975
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: have to be in order to make it all come together.

976
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you. I was thinking about this before,

977
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: and I'm bringing it back because I wanted to ask

978
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: you if your father was here now and he was

979
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: getting to watch you now, Like, what do you think

980
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: he'd say to you? Like, how do you think he'd

981
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: respond to the journey that you're on.

982
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: I think he will be extremely proud, because he passed

983
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: away a year before I got into Formula one. It

984
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: was very difficult because I unfortunately did not I hadn't

985
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: signed my Formula one contract, which was the ultimate goal

986
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: for our family. I mean, Formula one is really where

987
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: you want to get. Once you start a racing career,

988
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: that's where you want to be one day. But I

989
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: had lied to him two days before he passed away,

990
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: and I told him, listen, I signed my contract. The

991
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: year was going well. I was quite confident that this

992
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: will happen, but I also knew it was a matter

993
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: of days before he would pass away. And I remember

994
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: that that night that I said it to my mum,

995
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: and my mum was pretty angry with me, telling me

996
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: you shouldn't lie to your father, and that stayed in

997
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: me four months, and luckily I signed my contract a

998
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: month later he wasn't here anymore. And then I found

999
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: much more peace within myself because I told myself, okay,

1000
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: I didn't lie my father and I told him the truth.

1001
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: I anticipated things, but everything is okay. And that was

1002
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: a really good moment because, as I said, Formula one

1003
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: is really the goal for every driver, and it was

1004
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: difficult to accept that he will go away without knowing

1005
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: what was the rest. But I think he would be

1006
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: really proud as much as on track at the moment.

1007
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: This year, not going too much into the specific, but

1008
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: it's not the best year ever. We are struggling a

1009
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: little bit with our car performance, but yeah, I'm still

1010
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: driving for hour an informal one, so he would be happy.

1011
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah you shared that with Krishana. Ronaldo

1012
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 2: has a similar story with his father, like his father

1013
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: never really got to see him. Yeah, become Chrishiana Ronaldo

1014
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: and the idea of like, how how hard it is

1015
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 2: when like, you know, you have a father who believes

1016
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: in you and loves you and wants you to become

1017
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: phenomenal and I don't. I can't. I can't remember the

1018
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: exact year they lost his father, But his father never

1019
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: got to see him reach the heights that he did.

1020
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: But of course it's beautiful to hear that. I'm so

1021
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: glad you could share it with him. That's such a

1022
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: special I'm so glad you got to tell. And I'm

1023
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: so glad it came true me too.

1024
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: I think I would have leaved so badly with with

1025
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: a lie like this for the rest of my life.

1026
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm happy I did everything for it to happen.

1027
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: It's happened, and and he also sacrificed a lot for me.

1028
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: I never like to say that I sacrificed anything in

1029
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: my life because I didn't. I just did everything that

1030
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, which was racing as much as Yes,

1031
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't a lot of time at home when I

1032
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: was a kid, but I was spending my time on track,

1033
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: which was what I love doing the most. He, on

1034
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: the other hand, sacrificed a lot because modest sport is

1035
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: unfortunately a very expensive sport. He had to do saving

1036
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: for me to be able to do what I love most,

1037
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: which was driving, and I was aware of that, and

1038
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: also the fact that obviously my mom. He couldn't see

1039
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: my mom that much because he was always with me

1040
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: on races. So I think he made many more sacrifices

1041
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: than I did, because for me, it was always pure pleasure.

1042
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: Is driving a lonely sport. I imagine that everyone's quite competitive,

1043
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: Like I can't imagine drivers being friends and hanging out afterwards,

1044
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: because I don't know.

1045
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, you tell me, Actually, I've got a

1046
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: really good friend on the grid, Pierre Ghastly. We grew

1047
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: up together. We started in kouting. We did our first

1048
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: race together in two thousand and five, so yeah, like

1049
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: seven eight years old. We did the French Championship together

1050
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: and we became super good friends. Our family are super

1051
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: close as well, so we used to get going on

1052
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: holidays together and then we found ourselves in Formula one

1053
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: now so but trust me, as soon as I close

1054
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: adviser and I'm with a helmet, he's nobody anymore. And

1055
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: that's the same for him and we know that. But

1056
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: whenever we are outside the cow, we have a really

1057
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: really strong friendship. So you can have friends, but it's

1058
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: very difficult to create friendships if you didn't know that

1059
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: person before getting into Formula one. Because it's such a

1060
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: competitive world. Everybody wants to have the upper hand. Everybody

1061
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: wants to do everything in his own benefits because at

1062
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: the end, we want to win. We want to be

1063
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: the best on track, so there's a lot of respect,

1064
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: but we are not giving anything away to the others.

1065
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: And as much as I'm with friend with Pierre, I'm

1066
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: not giving him any advices or whatsoever. I just want

1067
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: to beat him as much as I want to beat

1068
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: everybody else on track. But lonely sport, I don't think

1069
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: it is because I at the end, it's a it's

1070
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: a team sport. The only thing is that the team

1071
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: is a bit in the is working a bit in

1072
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: the shadow because when you watch Formula one, you see

1073
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: mostly the driver driving the car, but behind that the

1074
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: mechanics are making sure that they mount everything perfectly. The

1075
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: engineers are working in trying to optimize the car in

1076
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: the best possible way. Then there's a lot of strategy

1077
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: during the race, so there are there are many, many,

1078
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: many people in the background speaking and connected to me

1079
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: through the radio. So I need to speak with the

1080
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: guys on in the pits while I'm driving, and it's

1081
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: a big part of racing.

1082
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Speaker 2: What are your dreams and visions of you know, wanting

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Speaker 2: to be one of the best and winning a world championship?

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Speaker 2: What would that mean to you? Like? How important is that?

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Speaker 2: What does that mean to you? What would it feel like? Like?

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Speaker 2: What fuels you and drives you to go in that

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Speaker 2: direction just to.

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Speaker 1: Be the number one? Just the felling of the victory obviously,

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Speaker 1: I mean I want few races in Formula one and

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Speaker 1: the feeling that you get once you get that win

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00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: is incredible because you know you've done the best on track,

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00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: but it depends on so many other people doing the

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00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: right thing. Is that whenever you do it, it's such

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00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: an incredible joy, not only for you but for more

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00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: than one five hundred people that are back at the

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Speaker 1: factory in Manilo working for the Formula one program. So

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Speaker 1: it's crazy. There are so many people involved, and whenever

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Speaker 1: you achieve that as a team, it's such an incredible feeling. Yeah, victory,

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Speaker 1: the taste of victory is what motivates me. Every morning.

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Speaker 1: I wake up and I think about that every day.

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Speaker 1: That is a bit more difficult to wake up and

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Speaker 1: go in training. I think about winning a World championship

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Speaker 1: one day and the feeling that it gives me. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is what motivates me.

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Speaker 2: Let's manifest it right now, like you did with what

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Speaker 2: you said to your father. Like, let's fast forward and

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Speaker 2: it's manifested the World championships here. What would you say

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00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: to that self from here? What would you say to

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Speaker 2: your future self?

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Speaker 1: Well, on first, that is a pretty easy, easy one

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00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: to remember all your career. Yeah, yeah, your journey, and

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Speaker 1: to remember every single difficult moments where you thought you

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00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't make it, these difficult moments that I went through

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00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 1: my career. Sometimes you tend to think I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: make it to form one, I'm not gonna make it

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Speaker 1: to become a world champion. So yeah, if I become

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00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: world champion, I will tell that to myself. To think

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Speaker 1: about every single moment where I thought this wouldn't be possible.

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Speaker 1: And this is also something that I tell myself today

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Speaker 1: to the younger person I was sometimes thinking I will

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00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: never make it to form one the only twenty drivers

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00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: in the world. Why me? And yeah, to remember those

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Speaker 1: moments and tell yourself that it's possible. With hard work,

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Speaker 1: with motivation, it's possible to do anything.

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Speaker 2: Charles, Well, you're definitely winning the race of life for sure.

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Speaker 2: I can tell it's wonderful to engage with you and

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00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 2: connect with you and just we're definitely manifesting it right now.

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Speaker 2: Want to see it happen and you know can't wait

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Speaker 2: for it because you deserve it. I can tell, thank you.

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Speaker 2: The grace with which you carry yourself and the humility

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00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: and the gratitude is really beautiful. And I think that

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Speaker 2: those are the kind of winners we need in the

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00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: world as well. I think the world is starving for

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: winners that have great character and have great morals and

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00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: you know, have their values in the right place. Like

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Speaker 2: I look at that. I always think that if the

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00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: most successful and the most talented and most impactful people

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00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: in the world are walking in that graceful way, then

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00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: that's going to impact so many younger generations and so

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00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: many others. Do you how often do you get to

1141
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: work with younger drivers and people are up and coming,

1142
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: and like, do you enjoy that? Do you?

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00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: I love it? I love it. I had actually an

1144
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: incredible experience. I went to a cuting race. I think

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00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: it was a few months ago, like three four months ago.

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00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: It had been a long time. I didn't go into

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00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: a kating race watching kids. I have my younger cousin

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00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: actually that is starting cutting that I went to see

1149
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: him and I got there and I mean I didn't

1150
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: have any expectations. I arrived to the track and all

1151
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: the kids were around me and looking with the eyes

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00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: full of joy and admiration. And that made me come

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00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: back a little bit when I was a kid and

1154
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: a formal one driver will get to the track and

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00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: you will see him like God. And to see that

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00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: in kids' eyes was something super super special. Because at

1157
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: the end, I live my own life, but sometimes I

1158
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: don't really realize that I am now a formal one

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: for ari driver, which is something very special and something

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Speaker 1: I've always dreamt off, as I've been saying many many times.

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Speaker 1: But for me, I'm still me. For my mom, I'm

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: still her son. So I'm staying with people that it's

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Speaker 1: normal to be around me. But then once I get

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Speaker 1: to the kids and to the cuting races that don't

1165
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: see Formula one drivers every day, you can understand how

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: special it is. And the smallest gesture and this I

1167
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: remember from being a kid, the smallest gesture that the

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Speaker 1: Formula One driver will have towards me, it will change

1169
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: my life for months, I'll think about that. I met

1170
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: Michael Schumaker when I was seven or six years old,

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Speaker 1: and I remember that day still as it was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I really spend time with the kids and

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00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: trying to make them the happiest possible, and it was

1174
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: amazing to see the impacts that it had for them

1175
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: and how happy they left from just meeting me. For me,

1176
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: it's nothing I spent an hour with them, but for them,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it meant a lot and that was very

1178
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: special to see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful. Do you believe that the life you're

1180
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: living is that it's been created from your mind or

1181
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: a vision or training, like how do you think about

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00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: how what has had and is it hard work? Is

1183
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: it effort? Is it attitude? Is it all of those things?

1184
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: Is it something bigger than you? Is there a higher power?

1185
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: Like?

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01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: What is it for you? How do you describe the

1187
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: journey so far?

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01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: I think clear vision is what helped me since a

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Speaker 1: very very young age, because even though I started that

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Speaker 1: three and a half, maybe from three and a half

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01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: to five it was only for fun, but already from five,

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01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: every time I was getting to the track, Yes I

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01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: love what I do, but I want to be the best.

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01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: This was super important for me to get away of

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01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: the track the evening and to have learned something new

1196
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: and to have done a step in terms of driving

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01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: and understanding of the cutting and all of these kind

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01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: of things. And this I've always kept it. I was

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01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: very clear in setting my goals, realistic goals, and in

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: where I want it to be, not in ten fifteen

1201
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: years time, because this was way too far, but in

1202
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: one or two more teme which were small steps, but

1203
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: small steps, always in the right direction. And I think

1204
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: that definitely helped me in achieving small goals after small

1205
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: goals to get to the bigger goal. Which was obviously

1206
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: to become a Formula one driver, and even more so

1207
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: with Ferrari. But it's with the different small steps that

1208
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: I've and the different targets that I've fixed myself throughout

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: my career.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Charles. We end every episode of On Purpose with

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: a final five. So these final five questions have to

1212
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: be answered in one word or one sentence. Okay, all right,

1213
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: so tight. So these are your fast five. Drive fast.

1214
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: So now now you've got to talk fast. You don't

1215
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 2: have to answer them fast, they're just shorter answers. Question

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01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: number one, Charles, what is the best advice you've ever

1217
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: heard or received?

1218
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: I'll use the one of my father, Stay humble, be grateful,

1219
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: and work hard. That is one sentence.

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's perfect. Yeah, that's perfect. That's perfect. All right.

1221
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: Second question, where is the worst advice you've ever heard

1222
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: or received your journey?

1223
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: Don't do this mistake. I think you've got to do

1224
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: mistakes in order to learn from them and to become

1225
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: the person that you are then twenty years after otherwise

1226
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: you yeah, so yeah. I think every mistakes, as I

1227
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: said earlier, I think I always tend to think that

1228
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: it's a positive thing because you grow from them absolutely.

1229
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 2: Question number three, how do you prepare on a big

1230
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: day for a race on the day and how do

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01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: you end the day after the race?

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Speaker 1: Cold baths I started and I end it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: it's I love it. It's great for the body, especially

1234
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: for our sport. Inside the cockpit, we are going through

1235
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: extremely high temperatures, so to put the body as low

1236
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: as possible before the race is super important. And then

1237
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: I do the call bath again for recovery after that,

1238
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: and that also wakes me up if I'm a bit

1239
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: tired in the morning. So yes, cold baths nice.

1240
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've seen you do cry therapy as well, exactly.

1241
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: I love that video. Yeah, yeah, I do a lot

1242
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: of infrared saunas and coal plunges and okay, oh yes, yeah,

1243
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: it's fantastic. Question number four, what is something you've learned

1244
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: about yourself through your Formula one journey? Something you've learned

1245
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: about yourself personally that.

1246
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm much stronger than what I initially thought. You get

1247
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: into Formula one and I was still a kid. So

1248
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: you get into a team with one thousand, five hundred people,

1249
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: with media, with a lot of pressure, and straight away

1250
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: you ask a bit yourself sometimes, Am I ready for this?

1251
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: I used to do cuting on my own with my

1252
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: father as a mechanic, and now I'm in formal one

1253
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: with one thy five hundred people working in order to

1254
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: make the best car for me, lots of media attention,

1255
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: lots of pressure. Am I ready for this? I am

1256
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: so so yeah, Maybe that I am stronger than what

1257
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: I initially thought.

1258
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: I love that fifth and final question. We asked this

1259
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: to every guest. If you could create one law or

1260
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: rule in the world that ever had to follow, what

1261
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: would it be.

1262
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a very simple one, but I think

1263
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: be nice and respectful to everybody. I think is extremely

1264
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: important and sometimes the world lacks that. This is something

1265
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: that always remind myself in a way it comes natural,

1266
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: but I think it's super important to just be nice,

1267
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: genuine with people around you, whoever this person is. And

1268
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: if everybody in the world would be like that, I

1269
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: think the world will be a much better place.

1270
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Charles, is there anything I haven't asked you that

1271
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: you wanted to share today that's on your heart, that's

1272
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: in your mind that you're like everybody wanted to talk

1273
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: about this, and maybe we haven't touched on it. I

1274
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: want to give you the flow to share anything.

1275
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: I think it's been a really good talk. So no,

1276
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: I think you've touched You've touched everything.

1277
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: Okay, good, Yeah. No, I wanted to give you the

1278
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: opportunity because I'm so grateful that we got to have

1279
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: this time. And definitely the words I'm going to remember

1280
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 2: you buy is grateful and humble. Those words. I love

1281
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: that that's how your family raised you. I love that

1282
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 2: theme coming out in our conversation today. I felt I

1283
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: could feel your genuine you still have a childlike love

1284
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: for what you do there, and I think that that

1285
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: is so rare. It can you know, we all get tired, jaded, stressed, whatever,

1286
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: and that's natural. But it's amazing that you've held onto

1287
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: that and I think it's credit to your beautiful parents

1288
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: and family.

1289
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: Then thank you, thank you so much, so thank you man,

1290
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thank you.

1291
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: If you love this episode, you will love my interview

1292
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 2: with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive

1293
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: to find your purpose.

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Speaker 1: Our children have become less imaginative about how to problem solve,

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Speaker 1: and parents and coaches have become more directive and trying

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Speaker 1: to tell them how to behave versus teaching them how

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Speaker 1: to behave.