WEBVTT - DOGE Giving Americans $5K? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.480 Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.040 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.560 Welcome, Welcome, well come, well come, well come. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.879 Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is episode sixty seven of 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.239 Native Lampod. I am your co host, Angela Raie. My 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.159 co host Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillim are with us 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:24.000 today and we have so much to talk about. I 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:25.919 got to tell you guys. One of these things that 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.760 is that's really been on my mind all morning. Y'all know, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.760 I was yelling about it on the pre production call. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:36.000 Is Elon Musk having five on it saying that he's 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.640 considering a five thousand dollars tax credit, which seems like 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.479 it's another STEMI check to folks who may be not 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.880 as familiar with what's really going on to reading that 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:46.440 fine print. So that's one of the things I want 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.480 to talk about, tiff Andrew. What you guys got, Well, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:49.559 I know a lot of you. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.960 Guys sent us in questions, and so I want to 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.600 make sure that we get to your questions. There was 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.720 one particular question about participating in local elections, which I 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:03.080 think is extra are important right now. So throughout the show, 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.480 we'll be taking your viewer questions. But there's one particular 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.400 on local elections that I'll dive into. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.440 And you know, ladies, the uh uh, the American people 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.520 have been watching again on a squivel, all these court cases, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.520 all these filings. We all want to know what do 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.480 they mean? And so the question of do these court 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.679 cases matter at all? And are they having any impact 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.840 on curbing this administration? I want to get into that. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:25.880 I love it. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:27.840 Well, let's get into it. Welcome home, y'all. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.199 Can I just tell you guys something, Yeah, outside the window, 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.560 is Lady Gaga trying to eavesdrop on our podcast. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.440 I think you should go say hello and take the 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:41.040 camera with you. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.160 Until I keep looking in the window over here, I'm like, I. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.440 Need some aternatives make up so I can't hear more 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:48.760 about it. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:50.040 She was whispering. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.680 I didn't want her listening. We're going to make sure 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.480 we keep that in the show, just for you, lady, 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:00.440 Welcome home, so I really keep it speak speaking of 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.680 things that matter, we're talking about do court cases matter. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.360 One of the things that we talked about is it 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.600 seems like a court case matter. There may have been 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.120 some justice just a couple days ago with the acquittal 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.280 of asab Rocky. But with everybody else in the country 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.440 and the cases that are being brought against this administration, 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.840 it doesn't feel like they're mattering, especially when you have 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.560 a president who says things like this and signs executive 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.400 orders to support this. Can we roll that clip? 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.760 Lastly, we have another executive order that President Trump signed 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:41.919 relating to independent agencies. This executive order would establish important 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.280 oversight functions in the Office of Management and Budget and 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:50.320 its subsidiary office OHIRA, supervising independent agencies and many of 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.280 their actions, and also re establishes the long standing norm 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.919 that only the President or the Attorney General can speak 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.679 for the United States when stating in opinion as to 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:01.480 what the law is. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:04.520 Thank you very much. 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:10.200 Well, that was the primary purpose of this conference. So 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.440 here's why this matters. Of course, we've talked about already 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.920 on this podcast. I did a solo pod on whether 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.080 or not this is this This moment is defined as 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:26.360 a constitutional crisis when you have three co equal branches 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.040 of government and somebody just completely ignoring one of those 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:35.720 branches of government, just like we're ignoring Andrew's phone ringing rude. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:41.720 I think that what we have to acknowledge is that 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.800 when a court issues an opinion saying there's a temporary 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.080 restraining order on your ability to freeze these funds because 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.080 you're operating outside of what is in your power. And 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.920 then the administration visa VI your new president South African 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.920 Elon Musk coming around to say, actually, only the president 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.960 can decide whether or not these court orders will be 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:10.200 enforceable at all. And then Donald Trump coming behind him 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.320 and saying on Twitter a quote that they've associated with 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.680 Napoleon about when a man is working to save his country, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.760 he breaks no laws. All of these things combined with 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.760 the cases there are now well over fifty, saying that 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:30.000 the four thank you Andrew, seventy four cases, the executive 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:36.679 branch is engaging in a significant unconstitutional overreach of their powers. 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.240 And you have them signing the executive order saying, hell 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.200 would every act Congress has, every past, every bill that's 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.840 been signed into law by every president. This is what 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.839 we're doing. We gonna tell you we're the only ones 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.960 that tell you what the law is, even if I 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:52.320 broke them eighty eight times. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.320 So what is the honestly I mean, it says since 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.680 your question, because I don't know the answer. What is 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.320 what is the long standing practice? You see it was 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.920 his comments were preempted by the gentleman product. I'm saying 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.680 re establishing the long held practice that when it comes 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.560 to stating what the law of the country is, that 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.040 that responsibility falls exclusively to the Attorney General of the 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.600 United States and the President of the United States. I'm 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.920 unfamiliar with the long held practice, Tiff or Angela, do 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.599 either of you all? I mean, they make up stuff 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.840 all the time. I just want to just one of them. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.600 They're taking it up like we don't even have to 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.400 litigate this. They are making it up. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:30.760 It is. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.679 It runs a foul of what is printed on paper. 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.000 In the United States Constitution, full stop. There are three 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.440 co equal branches of government. The legislative branch are the 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.920 ones responsible for passing the laws. The President signs those 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.400 into law. He's responsible for implementing and executing those laws 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.680 passed by Congress the House in the Senate, he's responsible 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.760 for executing the laws, as is the rest of the 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:58.040 executive branch, and the judicial branch is responsible for interpreting 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.880 the law. They don't get to decide what the law is. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.799 They don't get to declare what the law is unless 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.920 they are supporting what has been passed by Congress. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.160 I have to say, guys, I think this whole and 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.200 I've said this before, and I think we have to 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:19.000 have a serious consideration that these social norms and more's 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:24.360 these political norms are core democratic institutions that have existed 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:29.360 for hundreds of years. In this very young democracy, some 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:30.960 people will argue it's an old democracy. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:31.320 It is not. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:33.560 At all. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.280 I think we have to give serious consideration to it's 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.640 pixie dust. It doesn't exist. And I think that power 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.920 is being tested right now. I think there is a 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.040 false blanket of security that people sleep under at night thinking, oh, 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.960 there's only so much Donald Trump is going to do. 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.160 And I think that speaks to the heart of your point, 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.000 Angel about these three coequal branches of government. Yes, that 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.000 is what has existed. But all you need is enough 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.480 people to say, no, we do not accept those rules anymore. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.599 This old, you know, antiquated document does not serve us anymore. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.080 So we you know, this is the fourth time I've 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.840 references on last week's episode that we are reaching a 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:14.840 constitutional uh potentially a constitutional convention beyond a constitutional crisis. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.520 In the first test of Trump's power. We will see 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.840 what happens at the Supreme Court level. From the blitz 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.320 of actions that he's taken since he's been in office. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.720 The new administration has fired the head of a watchdog agency, 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.000 and now this case is going to the Supreme Court. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.200 The Conservative Supreme Court bought and paid for. As we've 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.000 talked about, what did you call Clarence Thomas Ahuchi who 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.600 gets flewed out? The Conservative Supreme Court will weigh in 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.200 on does this administration have the right to fire the 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:54.080 head of special counsel of a whistleblowers organization that enforces 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.720 certain ethics laws. Now, once the Supreme Court says yay 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.880 or nay on this power, that will inform something I 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.400 think the next course of action. We will see this 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.600 administration will defy the courts. So we already have the 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.960 courts that are mostly conservative leaning. Beyond that, this administration, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.600 I predict, will defy the courts once that happens. What 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.040 does that mean? It's like a question we asked in 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:23.640 our group chat. If the president can break multiple laws, 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.480 then what is a law? If the administration can consolidate 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.160 power of government to solely the executive branch more specifically 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.560 to Donald Trump and UH to Vice President Donald Trump 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:35.760 and President Elon Musk. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:36.679 Then what does that? 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:37.320 What? Then? 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.120 What is the three co equal branches of government? I 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.439 just think we're in the outer bounds now are of 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.040 what society is. So I don't That's why we keep saying, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.079 don't say shit to me about mid terms. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.480 I don't want to hear it. Don't even talk care necessarily. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:52.640 This is my point. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.400 We are greely supposes that we will have another election. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.319 I just don't know that we're there. Either the courts 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:06.120 at the highest level will uphold his attempt at an autocracy, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.440 or this administration will buck the courts, and then what happens. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.400 We've truly not been here before. But I will say, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.880 historically and across the globe, when you see things like 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.080 this happen in a democracy, it does not go back. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.600 Nobody goes back to their corner and say, Okay, we're 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.240 bad guys, We're just kidding. We will only go further 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.640 to the right more. It's a plutocracy and autocracy, and 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.080 we'll see more of this. So I don't feel confident 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:30.719 about any of it. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.240 I just guessed it. So just want to clarify one 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.920 thing the Special Council would rather to add to Tiffany's point, 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.679 the special Council case that Donald Trump is decided to 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.160 appeal one. It is the only case that so far 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.840 the Trump administration has decided to appeal to the United 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.679 States Supreme Court. Now, the importance of this is that 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:56.719 these special councils, again created by Congress, exists not to 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.120 audit the legal activity of everybody. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:04.000 Is the general case inspectors General the only one want 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:04.800 to the Supreme Court? 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.480 Yes, but is it a special Council or Inspector General. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:08.760 I just want to make I don't want to. 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:15.440 Special Council law, which is the office that then investigates 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:21.160 the actions of elected officials throughout the branches, So the 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.760 Special Council, but we could, we could get in. I 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.599 don't want to dive too deep into that because the 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:26.680 point is, yeah, I think. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.120 Some people might want to know. I don't know. I 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.760 thought you were talking about the IGS. I didn't hear 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.120 about this Special Council case. 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.520 Yeah, this is the only this is the only appeal 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:36.960 that he's now taken to the court. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.800 And I can say, Stanny, He's appealed several other cases, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.240 but they're just in the circuits they haven't reached the 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:44.319 this case. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:48.000 Goes direct major. It means that it lands that the 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.840 jurisdiction of this case lands directly at the United States 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:52.839 Supreme Court. They don't have to issue a rich of 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.360 social rory to take it from the lower to the higher. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.520 It is immediately at the Supreme Court. And I would 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.360 like to argue that the reason why he has made 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.200 that decision, his council has made that decision is because 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.959 in the immunity case of the Supreme Court, in the 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.000 writings of the opinions from the justices, they state that 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.480 the executive branch exists of one person and one person only. 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.400 That's the President of the United States. So the judicial 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.600 has many members of the branch. Obviously, the legislative has 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.720 four hundred and thirty five members of that branch of government. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.280 If you hold that the executive branch exists consists rather 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.280 of one person, you might, further by extension, conclude that 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:37.000 any actions that take place within the agencies, the departments, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.000 anything that exists outside of the other two branches, the 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.960 judiciary and the legislative branch, of the president basically gets 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.880 to make whatever in decision that he wants gets to 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.880 move this country in any kind of way. The Washington 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:56.000 Post has this byline that says that democracy dies in darkness. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.160 Right, democracy, I believe there's that. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.160 I was just going to add the democracy also is 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.960 guying in the light that they have not been secretive 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.360 about their actions. They've stated them plainly. They've been out 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.280 in front and stated them plainly. They lie like Yesterday's gone. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:17.760 And it is infuriating and I think very frustrating for us, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.320 the American people, to see this exercise right in front 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.199 of us and to not understand where the accountability is. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.040 Well around saying where is the accountability? Who gets to 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.880 check this guy? And your point, Tiffany around what he's 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.960 going to do is flout the courts openly, basically say yep, 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.640 with your army, you go ahead and guarantee that decision. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.240 I actually don't think it's going to get to that 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:41.880 point because I don't believe he's going to have to 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:42.520 with this court. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.400 It doesn't. But can I just say, really quick, is 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.080 I don't want us to get too far away from 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.480 this special Council piece I wanted to read. I was 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.679 confused I was combining this with the IG's cases. You 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.040 all heard the Office of Special Counsel is a separate 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.680 and independent agency. It is not housed in any federal agency. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:05.400 The OSC has traditionally been tasked with protecting federal whistleblowers. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.520 That's a big deal. So you started to see members 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.800 of Congress putting these whistleblower pages on their sites so 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.040 people can independently file whistle blower complaints with members of 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:19.520 Congress and relevant committees investigating reports of corruption, fraud, and 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.280 government waste. You would think that Elon Musk would want 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.439 to work with this agency with DOGE because they have 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.720 a bunch of experience figuring this out. I just wanted 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.520 to pause there and say that because I think we 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.880 have also have an obligation to people. 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:39.560 I didn't say that in the beginning, that is whistleblower organization. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.880 But I think Angela's point really quickly. Androids want to 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.520 get this point out. The fact that Angela didn't know 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.800 about this. This has been kind of my point. So 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.800 many people don't know about this. This was above the fold. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.760 A one New York Times people are not waking up, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.319 not this that the New York Times people are not 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.880 waking up reading the New York Times. Most people are 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:05.240 going to watch CNN, the social media or whatever. I 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.120 My point is, most people have no idea what's happening. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.400 This is a major case going to the Supreme Court 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.040 that is going to determine and this was probably what 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.400 a week ago that it came out. What also happened 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.600 that most people don't know about. I didn't see a 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:26.840 breaking news banner anywhere. These half witted idiots fired the 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:33.760 people who oversee and refurbish are nuclear warheads and developed them. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:40.240 They fired them. What I was saying, And you and 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.400 I may be unique in this because when I say 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.240 this to people, they're like, what I didn't know. I 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:45.920 didn't know what case was going to Supreme Court? What 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:47.800 they fired the nuclear Are you sure because I didn't 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.040 see that? And I'm like, yes, that is the entire point. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.280 The media has capitulated. They had they benefit from keeping 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.360 people in the dark. And so if you're not waking 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.600 up reading the Times or the posts or you know, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.680 the journal or whatever, it is completely flying by people. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.320 And that that is all very intentional. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:15.400 No, no, no, I don't want to lose the strand 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.280 of what you had to say before when you described 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.440 the role of this Special Council. The reason why I 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.080 made the argument that they are taking this as the 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.800 Supreme Court is You're correct, it is independent, as are 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.880 these auditors supposedly within each of these departments. They're supposed 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.640 to be independent auditors, not doing the bidding of the department, 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.160 but rather making sure that it is being accountable to 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.600 the law. The reason why I believe that this is 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.040 the right case for them is because the Supreme Court 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.360 is said right already in this community case, if the 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.560 department is independent, yet it doesn't exist under the arm 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.600 of Congress. If it's independent and yet it doesn't exist 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.080 under the judiciary, then does the president have jurisdiction over 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.640 every agency, no matter who creates And they're arguing that 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.520 they do, and therefore he did have the power to 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:10.480 fire anybody he wants to reduce that office to practically 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.440 ashes if he wants to, And this is gonna be 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.560 a this will be a key case. I am holding out. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.720 Angela and I had this offline conversation about whether or 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.400 not Amy Kobe, Barrett and Cavanaugh. 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.520 Might be the handmaiden. 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.920 Well, I just she did have a dissenting even though 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.040 she was in the majority. She had a different reason 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.720 for deciding the way she decided opinion yes, and so 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.800 I don't know how this is going to fall out. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.320 I honestly, my knee jerk tells me past his prologue 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.320 that essentially whatever they what they've shown us up to 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.000 this point is what they will do. And what they've 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.840 shown us up to this point is that even the 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.240 court under Roberts is prepared to bend nie to Donald Trump, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.920 and I think they're going to continue it. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.400 I have a question. I want to just say. I 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.080 get really irritated. I know this is not the intention, 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.240 but I just want to say this in my humanity, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.320 I get irritated when it's said that I don't read, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.240 or that people aren't reading, and I'm included as people. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.000 I don't feel like that's what was meant. But I 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.119 just want to acknowledge that that I'm trying to sift 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.800 through thirty plus cases. They are coming out in real 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.720 time executive orders breaking this stuff down, and the case 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.760 that I know the most about it is the IG's case, 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.639 which we were supposed to talk about. I was not 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.560 aware of a special counsel, and I'm hearing special counsel 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.760 like at DOJ. I still wasn't aware of all the 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.760 facts of this case, so I appreciate it, but I 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.560 also want to go back to clarify. I can't remember 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.399 who said it, but I think I heard, and correct 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.000 me if I'm wrong. Somebody say that they didn't go 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.440 through the regular courts, they're going straight through to the 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.520 Supreme Court, and that's not true either. So I just 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:47.480 want to make sure we're clear. 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:47.919 That's why. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.720 Yes, Okay, I didn't. I was like, but I thought 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.440 I heard somebody say they're appealing it straight to the 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.800 Supreme Court. That's not what happened. The lower court, the 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.760 district court already heard it and they're appealing again because 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.280 they don't like either ruling. So it's been it's been 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.320 litigated twice just on this order. They don't like the 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.440 ruling because it's clear that Donald Trump broke the law 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:12.920 based on what the Act says, which it says he 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.400 can only or the person right now, it's a man 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.080 can only be fired for an act of malfeasis, yes, 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.720 for cause, and that is not what has happened. Okay, Sorry, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:24.280 just to clarify. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.000 My only point was it was on the cover of 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.040 the Post The Times in the wall Street Journal, and 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.640 most people didn't even know about it because they aren't 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.320 waking up reading those papers. Okay, lots of court drama 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.960 this week actually, and on the other side of this break, 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.880 we're going to get into asap Rocky. I have questions 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:41.360 about it, so we'll see you on the other side 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:41.720 of this break. 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:42.399 Don't go anywhere. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.639 I have a question about another court case that I 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.560 don't know about because I didn't read about it, and 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.840 that is if we want to switch, because mine is 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.399 not as serious. So I don't want to get us 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.560 off topic. But I do actually have legitimate, legitimate question 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.000 about the asap Rocky case because I honestly did not 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.400 read anything about it. I didn't follow it. I don't 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.400 know anything about it, and you guys may be better 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.520 versed on that than me. Do we want to talk 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.280 about that serious? 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.400 Moving very swiftly from the free world. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:23.159 It's serious stuff going on. But there is also the 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:24.560 thing with asap Rockey as well. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.800 I don't think it's fair to say that that's not serious, right, 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.000 You're right, I do think no, no, no, no, I 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.080 just it's just and it's just a point of a 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.600 different perspective. But I just would say first, we didn't 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.520 get into it. But with the Tanya Chicken ruling, a 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.280 lot of people are like, oh, now he's gonna every 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.639 single thing that he brings to the courts. Even the 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.160 judges who are appointed by Biden or Obama, they're siding 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.920 with him too. I think that the point that we 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.640 have to remember is, folks who may sue the Trump 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:59.960 administration for cause you suffered a direct, immediate, and there 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.440 in some instances irreparable harm, that is always going to 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.440 be the requirement for standing. So I know in this 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.120 moment like I'm one of them, and I'm an attorney, 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.920 and I should know better. I've been like, why don't 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.240 they just sue? The thing is, it can't just be 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.600 a union that sues. It can't just be a group 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.119 of folks representing the inspector generals. It can't just be 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.160 this civil rights org that stands up to protect these 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:27.080 various entities. And NAACP LDF suit dropped this morning. By 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:28.680 the time, y'all see this a couple of days ago, 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:34.159 where they are suing against the DEI, the diversity equity 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:38.320 inclusion anti the discriminatory policies put forth by this administration. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.600 And I was like, oh my god, it's gonna get 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.919 thrown out that they don't have standing. They do have standing. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.320 They have a man, a plaintiff who is in direct 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.000 harm because of an hiva's program he runs, and all 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.200 of these things that demonstrate a direct and immediate harm. 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.080 So we got to remember that as much as we 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:58.840 know this isn't right. You know, and you wanted to 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.000 go fight on behalf of your friend on a playground 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.920 like leave my friend alone. We can say that, but 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:05.560 you may not be able to say it in a 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.600 complaint in a court of law that will have standing. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:10.520