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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. This is View from the Raptors Today. We're

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Speaker 1: bringing in a man who hails from basketball country. Life

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Speaker 1: is funny. Don't go there, not yet. Well, we talked

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Speaker 1: about the bus one boys. Is the crazy story, not

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Speaker 1: we're all older than we think. We are always goldly

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Speaker 1: Gray Batty. Hey everyone, that's your host, Mark Demko. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back for another episode of View from the Raptors. Behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes with the Boston Celtics. Today's episode is all

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Speaker 1: about scouting. What do scouts go through on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: What are the stories that they experience traveling not only

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Speaker 1: around the US to find players for the Celtics, but

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Speaker 1: traveling around the world to find players to come and

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Speaker 1: play for the Boston Celtics. Let me tell you, they've

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Speaker 1: got some crazy stories. And on this episode, Sean Grandy

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Speaker 1: and I are sitting down with Assistant general manager Austin Ainge.

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Speaker 1: We've got one of our scouts, Ashley Battle, who is

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Speaker 1: one of the only female black scouts in the entire

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Speaker 1: NBA A some of you in New England will know

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Speaker 1: her name very well, winning a couple of championships at

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Speaker 1: Yukon for the women's team. And then we're gonna wrap

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Speaker 1: up with a conversation with Celtics international scout Bennice Macavicious

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Speaker 1: and let me tell you, he's got some wild stories

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Speaker 1: about what he has experienced going to some games overseas.

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Speaker 1: review us. We appreciate you listening and watching. Without further ado,

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Speaker 1: here it is. Here's our conversation with not only Austin

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Speaker 1: so Austin Ange, Ashley Battle. Uh, the whole purpose of

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Speaker 1: what you're all doing on the road and like the

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Speaker 1: craziness that's associated with this. So, Austin, I know you've

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Speaker 1: been doing this forever, a million miles logged on flights,

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Speaker 1: let's just jump right in. What's the craziest story that

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Speaker 1: is usually where the real, real fun happens. Um Mario Hazonia.

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Speaker 1: I was here scouting him when he was playing for Barcelona,

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Speaker 1: But they don't they don't check tickets on the way

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Speaker 1: This is just what we do it everyday thing For

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Speaker 1: Because you have no clue what's going on really on

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Speaker 1: That would be real. Change it. She did, and I

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Speaker 1: I can watch my son is eleven, he plays hockey.

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Speaker 1: We're on the road. I'm watching calling our game. I

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Speaker 1: In my film, it's a great question, Sean, and we

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Speaker 1: this woman walked into the room and you started to

427
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: have a basketball conversation about this position? Yeah? Just just passion,

428
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: I Q e Q right, these are these are things

429
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: we look at. Um. It's a hard job to learn.

430
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean Ashley can talk about how it, at least

431
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: for me, the first few years felt like you're drinking

432
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: from a fire hose because there's there's so many players.

433
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: It's a whole world, right, Like I'm at this point,

434
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm only learning the new players each year and updating

435
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: small bits of the other players. When you first start,

436
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: it's just i mean, the NBA, G League, Europe College,

437
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: it's just thousands of players and we're having these meetings

438
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: and there's just so many names. It's overwhelming to start.

439
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: So we don't usually worried too much about bad aspects

440
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: because that can be learned. It's not brain surgery. It's

441
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: love for the game, intelligence, um and ability to work

442
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: in a team, and general basketball, knowledge and feel, and

443
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: those are the things that we liked about Ashley. In

444
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: every other field connected to sports, there is you think

445
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: of player. Players have talent and then there's hard work.

446
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: Broadcasters have talent and then there's hard work all of

447
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: the elements. To be a referee, you have to have

448
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: some talent for it and whatever is there are there

449
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: levels of talent in scouting? Are there scouts who can

450
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: see things that others can't? It's looking at another field

451
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: from afar you say, are there talented people? Because obviously

452
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: the hard work is inherent, it's obvious. Are there levels

453
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: of talent in what you do and having an eye

454
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: for It's a big issue of contention. There's a lot

455
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: of different opinions on that. Um, you know, you've got

456
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: the people who aren't as good as if think that

457
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: there are levels and that there I mean we all

458
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: we all think we're better than we are. But but

459
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: even that, I mean, there's there's so I don't know

460
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: if we've we've determined that. Sean, I believe so, but

461
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think there's different You talk

462
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: about it as an art, which that connected with me

463
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: because I have an overinflated sense of what I do

464
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: is being important at it being an art and that's

465
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: what made me think of it because there are people

466
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: in my field, there's going to be You can't be

467
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: successful in what I do if you're not putting in

468
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: the work. But there is a difference, and that's what

469
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: maybe wonder all the people you've been around in the

470
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: game almost by definition some I think actually the people

471
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: you've been around, coaches, got anybody in the front office,

472
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: there must be people that see the game differently. Like

473
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: a great piano player, you can just see the keys

474
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: and play has to be there is and and if

475
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: you come from coaching and going into the front office,

476
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: like I think, you probably see the game a little

477
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: bit differently than if you have haven't played, versus you know,

478
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: going into the front office as well. So there's there's

479
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: nuances I think that people inherently have about the game

480
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: for themselves, and maybe that kind of gets a little

481
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: bit exploited a little bit where you're just like okay,

482
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: well or enhanced like I'm gonna These are the things

483
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: that I like to focus on, and these are the

484
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: things that I think can contribute to make a successful

485
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: a successful NBA player. Um where but it I've I

486
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: found that a lot of people, you know that I've

487
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: encountered over the last couple of years, have been a

488
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: lot of people kind of think similarly about a guy.

489
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: There may be a couple of things here and there

490
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: where you're just like, no, I don't believe that about

491
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: this person. But for the most part, I think, especially

492
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: the top guys, people people know. But there's quite a

493
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: lot that we do that maybe um isn't as as

494
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: obvious to two people outside. We have salary cap we

495
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: have scouting in person, we have scouting on film, we

496
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: have gathering information from you know, networking, various sources. We

497
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: have you know, uh, anticipating how that person does not

498
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, but how they fit with other teams. Right.

499
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: We have managing people, we have communicating with agents. There's

500
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: a lot of skills and it it'd be crazy to

501
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: think that there weren't strengths and weaknesses within every front

502
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: office person on those various levels. And I've left out

503
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: a few. Um So some people are better at certain

504
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: aspects of that, just like players can be better at shooting, passing, dribbling, defense, whatever.

505
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: So it's it's all, it's all you know important to

506
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: find the right team um together as much as any

507
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: one person's strengths and weaknesses, it's it's got to fit.

508
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: We've got to have the right the right recipe. And

509
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: that's a big an interesting part of this is that

510
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: you're not just looking at basketball players. You're looking at

511
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: basketball people. And there's a lot that goes into that

512
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: that you're talking about talking to these sources who can

513
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: give you information about who are these people really on

514
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: a day to day basis. This is a really interesting

515
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: thing that I want to I want to post to

516
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: both of you, is that I've I've done some scouting

517
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: stuff for our website over the years. I coached football

518
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: when I was in college, and I found that when

519
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: I was in it like that on a day to

520
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: day basis of looking at hours of film or coaching,

521
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: that it was hard to turn that off. And then

522
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: I found myself walking around always kind of assessing everyone

523
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: around me kind of in that same way. Is it

524
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: hard for you to turn off like that scouting vision

525
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: of of constantly assessing things and people and everything that's

526
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: going on around you. A little bit, We make jokes

527
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: all the time about, you know, sitting in an airport

528
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: and go, oh, that guy looks just like that's what

529
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: I was talking about. He's plus two weeks span, and

530
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: for sure he's going to sabarrow. He's gonna go right

531
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: and grant. Yeah, we make jokes like that, but certainly

532
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: that at the most stressful times of any job, it's

533
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: hard to turn the brain off, you know, sitting at dinner,

534
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: like all, I need to focus on my family, not

535
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, what can I get for a second round

536
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: pick that? You know, So these are these are always challenges.

537
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: Have you found that for sure? For sure? I mean

538
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: I don't don't. I'm not married or anything, so I

539
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: never turn it off. So it's always like when I'm

540
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: with my friends or I'm hanging out or something like that,

541
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: I have to like be like, Okay, I'm not going

542
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: to talk about basketball. You know, I'm not going to

543
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: talk about you know, sports in general. You know, I'm

544
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: really gonna just sit here and just try to be

545
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: present and be in the moment, and if it comes up,

546
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: then I'll be I'll dive in and make go on

547
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: the tangent. But I try not to. I try to

548
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: leave basketball here. Can you watch a game as a

549
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: fan anymore? That's just it ruins your fandom. Really, yeah,

550
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: it does. I'm so spoiled out. I think of, you know,

551
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: dupe North Carolina game. My friends are like, that's so awesome.

552
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: I just think about the traffic and the hassled up park.

553
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather see Duke against You and see Charlotte. You know,

554
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: it's way easier in and out, you know, so that

555
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: you get spoiled that stuff. This is a perfect segue though,

556
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: because I want to ask about a movie that came

557
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: out within the last year, So Hustled and you know

558
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: everywhere had Stevens. Yeah, Brad's got the Beautiful. He's gonna

559
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: get us. He's gonna get a six dollar check for

560
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: the next tie done that. I said, like Maxwell talks

561
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: about his all the time. I was in my Dad's

562
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: Got One from Space Jam. He gets like five bucks.

563
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: I gotta love it. But yeah, so that that movie

564
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: and that Adam Sandler's role in that movie is kind

565
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: of like he couldn't turn it off and he just

566
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: happened to find this diamond in the rough that wound

567
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: up becoming this star player who walked around this facility.

568
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: We had the way, I don't know how we let

569
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: the star player we had during the filming of that,

570
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: which was interesting. That's right, that's right, during the filming

571
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: we had that little we had Latcho. But um, the

572
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: I would say that inaccuracies of that is everyone knows

573
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: all the players now, as Sean alluded to with with

574
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: video and you follow the right people on Twitter, you'll

575
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: know about everyone. So our job is not beating the

576
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: bushes finding some guy in a playground in Spain like

577
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: the movie. It's really just choosing between the list that

578
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: everyone has. Now. It's not going to be the same

579
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: as the ones you find online, but most teams are

580
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: going to have right that. Janice was probably the most

581
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: undiscovered because he had citizenship issues that prevented him from

582
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: playing on the on the junior national teams and stuff

583
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: all growing up. But usually the the if you're not

584
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: in the top twelve eighteen year olds in Spain or

585
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: in Lithuania or something, you're you're probably not on NBA radar,

586
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: right that the depth is not so great that you're

587
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, be on those teams. So much

588
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: has that changed, though, Like since you've been in this

589
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: landscape and really since your dad got here back in

590
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, because at that time there wasn't

591
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: all this film available literally everyone and anyone. It's changed

592
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, we were we were asking, we

593
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: were calling teams, you know, begging them to fed x

594
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: DVDs across the country. You're right, You're right, you know.

595
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: And now I can literally pull up any game in

596
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: the world on my laptop. So it has changed quite

597
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: a bit. But but that has made the world smaller.

598
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: It is easier. It's harder to find diamonds in the

599
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: rough and we're remote places, um, but the late night

600
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: fast food in the hotel room is accurate that way

601
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: too often. How much has the G League changed? Maybe

602
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: a diamond in the rough becoming more of a diamond

603
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: that you would not have become one without it, you know,

604
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: I would say that even more than the or, or

605
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: even more than the expanding is the economic crisis. The

606
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: European basketball hasn't recovered since two thousand and eight, two

607
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: thousand nine, Spain grease Italy. The salaries for players over

608
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: there has greatly reduced, and that has pushed a lot

609
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: more players to the G League. They still could make

610
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: a little more money in Europe often, but the chance

611
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: that to call up. The gap isn't so big. The

612
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: guaranteed money that turned down isn't so big. So that,

613
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: as much as anything, has pushed the G League deeper

614
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: and deeper, and then two way contracts made it even

615
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: more and and so that that has made um a

616
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: little easier sometimes scouting. There's more players that are around

617
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: the US that that we can go see. We're bringing

618
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: on Venice Macavicious next on the podcast right after this.

619
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: Correct his name four times? He almost got He didn't

620
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: do it, He didn't do it. Can you tell me

621
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: correctly how to say the last name? Oh? No, I

622
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: just call him? Okay, just be sure. You're the man

623
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: who discovered him, right, you're the one who made the

624
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: connection with him. What do we need to know about

625
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Bettas for our listeners who are about to hear our

626
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: conversation with him, benness was um very unique. I met

627
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: him at a junior tournament in rock Love, Poland, Um

628
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: wherever that is, and yeah, it's a great place. Good luck,

629
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: good luck Siri getting you there, Siri? Where is it?

630
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know? Met him there, um and then we

631
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: exchanged info and then I ended up spending some time

632
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: with him at the old Treviso Eurocamp which no longer exists,

633
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: and just picked his brain and got to know him.

634
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: He was doing some advanced scouting, some coaching and some

635
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: personnel scouting for Chessco Moscow at the time, and uh,

636
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, found out he was a coach's son who

637
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: grew up playing and get a bunch of injuries, which

638
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: he claims her his career. I don't think he was

639
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: very good. You can't tell him that. But but have

640
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: you studied the film? Yeah, no, he's he he was

641
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: pretty good. I just like messing with him. Um, but

642
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: Bennie is the most detailed guy. He He's the only

643
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: guy who I have to beg to a vacation and

644
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: stop watching under sixteen B euro Championship, like just you know,

645
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: he wants to find that he and he worked so

646
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: hard and we're very grateful to have him. We we're

647
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. We talk this is. This is

648
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: I was done to know from Ashley because we all

649
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: have our own perspective that we bring in and we

650
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: talked about it from a personal standpoint, from a player standpoint.

651
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: I worked with I've worked with Cedric Maxwell now for

652
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: twenty one years and he was a player. When he

653
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: played for the Celtics, he had to sublimate his game. Essentially,

654
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: he was playing with Larry Bird and he was playing

655
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: with Robert Parrish and he became that fourth guy. Does

656
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: the career path you had. You could have gone to

657
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: Penn State and scored twenty points a game, but up,

658
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: but you went to Yukon and played with a bunch

659
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: of great players and you had to change your game.

660
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: You developed a reputation as a defensive player even though

661
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: you could score, because that was what you needed to be.

662
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: Does that perspective, having come through that as a player,

663
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: does it make it easier for you to see the

664
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: players that are doing that same thing? Like it definitely

665
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: comes in handy because sometimes you know, I also look at, hey,

666
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: this kid wouldn't have made it this bar if they

667
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: didn't have some that cous Absolutely, they didn't have any

668
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: ship in their game, you know. And I always felt like,

669
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, me as a player, where you know, I

670
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: knew I could score, I knew I could do all

671
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: those things. I still had over a thousand points at Ukon,

672
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: But that always gets overlooked like, oh, she she can't shoot,

673
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: she can't do this, She can't do that, And I'm like, well,

674
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: I can't. I just didn't. I can, you know, But

675
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: it was within our best insurance, you know, of the team. Literally,

676
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: we're coming in after winning a national championship. I'm a freshman.

677
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: Diana is also a freshman. Um, grazi. For those who

678
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: are listening and don't know she's or whatever, that's one

679
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: and so you're so you're coming and you're just like,

680
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: you know. One of the questions Gino asked me when

681
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: I was being recruited was like, are you concerned about

682
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: playing time? And I was like, no, I'm not concerned

683
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: about playing time because I know that I'm gonna do

684
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: what you ask I'm gonna work really hard, and you're

685
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: gonna have to play me. You're not gonna have a

686
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: choice about to play me. And so, um, you know,

687
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: I look at this as you know, very similarly, like

688
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, I'm learning something new pretty much every day.

689
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at guys every day, and I know that

690
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: like guys could still have a long career, you know,

691
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: if they're doing the intangibles on the court, which is

692
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: what I had to do in the court to play.

693
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: You relate to players with no speed same way that

694
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: we joke all the time that you know most of

695
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: us played at some level. Um not most of us

696
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: weren't as goes actually, but um half the time it's

697
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: players like to scout players opposite of them, and some

698
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: like the players just like them, and I you, I'm

699
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: usually I like the way more athletic guys that he

700
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: really does like the Wren. He was the three that

701
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: he was lacking the D. It wasn't three Dale, he

702
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: was a three. He was playing d yesterday though he

703
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: was getting. That leads to the victory for you to

704
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: we actually were all oppstitute. That was the first time

705
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: for for us it was a little different. Can you

706
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: fall in over the player and it all the ant

707
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: he could be studying everything you have studied. You studied

708
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: hours of film, you studied analytics, everything says I don't know,

709
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you just have that. Do you

710
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: have to get away from that? Is not why you

711
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: need a room full of people to sometimes, you know,

712
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: pull somebody back to reality. Absolutely, we we all have

713
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: guys that we we get and we encouraged not to have.

714
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: That's my guy, don't use that. It's not your guy.

715
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: He's a guy. That is available to everyone, and you

716
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: can't get too locked in because you can overpay. You know,

717
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: you've gotta properly rate all these things. So it's it's

718
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: something we fight against, um, but it happens, and you do.

719
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: We have analytics group that's amazing that is check and

720
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: balances with everything we do, and we have a big

721
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: group of people with great opinions that we all fight

722
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: and talk about these players and and uh. But every year, Sean,

723
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: there are guys that you just you know, let's just say,

724
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: out of sixty in the draft, there's maybe four or

725
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: five that you really like and you really feel like

726
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: you have and and in some years there's like and

727
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't really have a great feel for this guy

728
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: could go anyway and I don't. I don't know, and

729
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to just it just kind of happens differently

730
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: every year. I gotta say from those few years that

731
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: we were doing the Draft Propile series when I was

732
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: scouting some some players for for the website, I still

733
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: track them and I'm still like, that's my guy, that's

734
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: human needing, Like it's one if he went to six

735
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: and I thought he should have gone three, I'm still like,

736
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: let I'm voting or and and I'm rooting for that

737
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: player for the rest of his career. I can't like

738
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: let go of it. And we all have that tendency.

739
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: But when you have to quantify and okay, well so

740
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: what does that mean? You want to trade two seconds

741
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: to move up to get him? You want to trade

742
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: to first, you want to trade and all star? Like

743
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: a what point is that your guy? Right? And that

744
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: usually brings people down to earth. It really does. Like

745
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: last year, I was like, they were like, would you

746
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: do that? I was like, no, absolutely not. And that's

747
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: the life of scouting in basketball operations. That's why it

748
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: takes the fun out of fandom. Yeah, it's why you

749
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: can't watch the games as a fan because it's all

750
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: you have to try to fight your emotions and get

751
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: more analytical on it. It's and it's a difficult process,

752
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: but you two have to navigate it every single day,

753
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: as does Benness. Benness is going to come on next,

754
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: but thank you both for coming on. We appreciate the time.

755
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: I know everyone's really going to enjoy this conversation. Thanks

756
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: for having us so, bettest Man, thank you for coming

757
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: on first and foremost from across the world. I never

758
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: know where the hell you are in the world. Where

759
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: are you right now? It looks like you're at home,

760
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: But tell all the listeners where his home base for you?

761
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: They is for having you first of all, thanks for

762
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: the invite. Um right now, I Rememberlin, Germany, but a

763
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: lot of times I don't know where I'm at myself.

764
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: So what I wake up in so many different cities

765
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times, and sometimes I also visit family

766
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: of friends of Lithuania. But as you know, and I

767
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of scouts experienced or also some

768
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: advanced scouts, I'm sure have a lot of stories to

769
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: tell when they wake up in hotel rooms that they

770
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: don't know where they're at. I've been there, I mean,

771
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: just having on with the team during the regular season.

772
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: That happens all the time where I'm like, I go

773
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: to the room number of the prior hotel that I

774
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: was at, and then I'm like, that's that was the

775
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: last city I was in. Classic, Yeah, no, that's that.

776
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: I have the same problem. It's just that when I

777
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night, I have

778
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, and I just remember the

779
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: bathroom has to be here, and it's not here for

780
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: some reason. And and then I remember, okay, that was

781
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: two days ago. You're walking into a wall instead of

782
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yeah, because you have your eyes closed and

783
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: everything ether the disaster sometimes. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure

784
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: everybody in this business has experienced something like that, now,

785
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: no question about it. Um. So, I think from my

786
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: research says that you started with the Celtics back in

787
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, is that right? Yes? And and

788
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: that happened after you and Austin just happened to run

789
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: into each other at some point when both of you

790
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: were in the same city. Right, tell me about that

791
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: story and how you and Austin Ange wind up connecting

792
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: and how it kind of blossomed into you being the

793
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: international scout for the Boston Celtics. Yeah. So that's That's

794
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: a classic sliding door moment. And absolutely always I always

795
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: look back on that moment and I think how my

796
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: life would have turned out if I wouldn't have set

797
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: and that small gym at that same moment in Poland

798
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: at the under eighteens tournament at the most random time,

799
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: because I was working for European Clops at SETHCA Moscow,

800
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: and I just decided without without looking forward, to sign

801
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: anybody young that depop because Tesca doesn't sign any young

802
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: playerst I just wanted to go scout for myself. So

803
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: I went there basically just to have experience in scouting

804
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: young guys. So it was the most random situation. I

805
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: went there, I sat down and I saw Austin at

806
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: that time, I didn't know him three rows down standing

807
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: up watching the game or watching as it was a break.

808
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: He came up to me and he just shook my ad,

809
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: introduced himself and that was my connection, and that was

810
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: my first NBA connection basically, and we stayed in touch,

811
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: and that was two thousand eleven, if I'm not mistaken,

812
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: And so we stayed in touch with at that time.

813
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: And then three years later there was an offer that

814
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't refuse basically, and there was some changes in

815
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: Moscow happening during those times, and I got to honor

816
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: to work with also coaching Messina, who's who's a well

817
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: known coach in the NBA and Europe. And then after

818
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: there was another turnover, Austin made an offer and and

819
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: that was that was the start of it. I believe

820
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: that was Marcus Smart's draft here. Okay, so that I

821
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: wasn't working that draft, but I was already in the room.

822
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: I was already around because I signed it as summer before.

823
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: When the season ended, I joined the club right away.

824
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: And that was for me something that where the whole

825
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: the whole world changed for me basically, and since then,

826
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: I mean probably millions of flight miles that you've traveled,

827
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: like all over the world. And I see you occasionally

828
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: over here in the US. I see you at some

829
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: games when you're kind of popping around and doing some

830
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: scouting over here in the US, but I know that

831
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: you're you are bumping around to basically in touching feet

832
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: in every country around the world. Um, what's the craziest

833
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: travel story that's happened to you during all of those

834
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: travel miles that you've logged. So there's no night tonight,

835
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: day to day, you just humping hopping around from playing

836
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: to the taxi to uber to the hotel and then

837
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: back and forth. Last year, Google Maps for just just

838
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: to get back on the mileage part. Google Maps gives

839
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: you a report of every year or sometimes every month,

840
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: depending if you let him track you or not. I'll

841
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: let him track me, so I don't I don't know

842
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: if there's good or bad, but I just just just

843
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: just because it's it's it's of interest. So I traveled

844
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: last year, last count year, four and a half times

845
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: around the world, and yeah, I did sleep, but there

846
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: was also some some personal trips involved. Their obviously is

847
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: not all Celtics. But that just paints a picture of

848
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: how much I'm on the road. How many it was

849
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: over two think it was something like that. Yeah, it

850
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: was a lot. It was a lot out of it though,

851
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: like that you're able to get Yeah, I am a

852
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: little bit. I am health conscious, so it's not like

853
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: i'm i'm I'm really just just doing the mind losses.

854
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: So I try not to schedule early morning flights where

855
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: you have to wake up. You know, we'll go to

856
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: sleep late, wake up early, and then fly again. And

857
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: sometimes you can't avoid it, so you just go there

858
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: on two hours three hours of sleep to an airport

859
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: that's you know, two hours or an hour outside of

860
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: the city because of the longer distances in some cities.

861
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: But I don't have I don't have any crazy stories

862
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: from from traveling because it's just it's just a blur.

863
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: A lot of times but I have stories of experiences

864
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: in arenas that you can't really explain if you're not

865
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: there personally, and well, I'm gonna need you to try

866
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: to explain one right now. Yeah. I would urge everyone

867
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: to go see any of the derbys in either Serbia

868
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: Partisan against Red Star, either home game is fine Olimpiacos

869
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: against Panethonikos and Athens Greece. And I was there at

870
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: Panethonikos Olimpiago. Spans would probably hate me now because I

871
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: would say at paneth Nikos is the defense are closer

872
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: to the court, so you feel it a lot more

873
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: and you see burning burning just whatever, you know, fireworks

874
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: in the crowd and Jim Jim is exploding. Your ears

875
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: are ringing. Another good derby is in Istanbul where your

876
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: center Botcher place against Galatazza Soccer. Those are soccer clubs

877
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: and Galataza, right for example, is not in EuroLeague, so

878
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: they played in the domestically and that's the biggest derby

879
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: because there's soccer soccer enemies. So those experience, I would

880
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: really urge everybody, all the lifers out there, to go

881
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: out and seek out and watch. I personally was involved

882
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: in one, but I was still working for Tesca when

883
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: we played in Turkey at Bishah and it was an

884
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: early game. The game was going towards the end. We

885
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: already won the game. It was already you know, eight

886
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: point game or whatever. One of our players, I'm not

887
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: going to call him out. One of our players decides

888
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: decides to done the ball with you know, two three

889
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: seconds left, and everybody is just grabbing their head asad,

890
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: why are you doing this? And as soon as he

891
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: done the ball, the crowd just start bulling, just start

892
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: throwing coins. One of our one of our doctors, got

893
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: slashed when a coin and his leg was bleeding andating

894
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: from a coin. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was fire

895
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: fire wighters. So we had to all retreat back to

896
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: our bench with the with the roofs above the benches

897
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: where they have just protections, and we you hear the coins,

898
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: everything just flying into the into the into the plastic roofs.

899
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: So we had to just go through that little um

900
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: how you call it, just just just that little experience

901
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: was something special. It was. It was. It was not pleasant,

902
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: but you know when you walk out through the tunnel

903
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: out to the locker rooms, you just cover your head

904
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: and make sure you don't get anything hire at your

905
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: head or eyes or something like that. So it's it's

906
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: scary and and afterwards it's fun to talk about, but

907
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: it's not really not really a pleasant experience when you're

908
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: in it. That kind of thing is like, I don't

909
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: want to say normal, but it can happen over there

910
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: because the fan bases are just so rabid, right and

911
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: and because of the history, like you talked about with

912
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: some of the soccer rivalries. Um, it's it's not normal,

913
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: but like it's it's not like that never happens. If

914
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: that happened over here, it would be like once in

915
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: a couple of decades probably like that that I can't

916
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: even imagine that. Can you imagine that happening in an

917
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: NBA arena? Oh my god? No? What you know? The

918
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: the the Detroit Detroit malice in the ballace and that

919
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: was that was something that happened that that will probably

920
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: never happen again. But if you get fans the wolf

921
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: with the with the that's when fans run out on

922
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: the on the arena, it's never good and you probably

923
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: will not see the the NBA ever again. Hopefully we

924
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: will not see it again. I don't think it's happening

925
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: ever again in in Europe. In Europe, there the fans

926
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: are so invested emotionally, and especially in Greece, don't They

927
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: don't when they ask the fans, you know who you

928
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: They don't ask you who you're rooting for. They ask

929
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: you the question literally translated is who who you are?

930
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: Who are you? You know that this? So it's basically

931
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: they're asking for your identity. Are you panton Nikos? Are

932
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: you Olympiakos? So it's it's an indirect question of who

933
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: you internally represented, feel like, you know, it's it's a

934
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: much more identity thing that it is in the US.

935
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: When you've been traveling, what's the longest amount of time

936
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: that you've been stuck in one place because a flight

937
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: cancelations and or something going on with governments, Because you're

938
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: navigating that stuff wherever you go, right, So what is

939
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: what is a story or or maybe the longest amount

940
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: of time that you've been kind of stuck somewhere and

941
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: not been able to get to your next destination. Yeah,

942
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: so I got two stories to that really quick to

943
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: One story was in Turkey, the Turkish Cup that was

944
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: about six years ago maybe and there was a huge

945
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: snowstorm in Gaziantep that said the Syrian border is it's

946
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: more like a south southern south Turkey, and we it

947
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: was a big snowstorm that they're not used to. First

948
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: of all, we're driving on the wrong side of the

949
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: road because the other side of the road was full

950
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: of snow. That didn't clear it up. And we did no,

951
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: we're driving on the other side of the road until

952
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: we realized there was a car coming from the other

953
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: side that side you're supposed to be on. Yes, yes,

954
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: And the flights got delayed at the airport forever and

955
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't make my connection in East Tubul, so I

956
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: just got arrived the next morning in France and I

957
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: went straight to the game, basically to the to the

958
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: French Cup. And that was that was straining because you

959
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: barely slept, you were you were just all stuck in

960
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: the airport and you had to lay over and waiting forever.

961
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: And it was it was, it was. It was pretty tough. Yeah,

962
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: But in in general, the airports are something that I

963
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's people other people drive was Ubers to

964
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: work or in Europe is more prevalent to maybe drive

965
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: with the bus. For me, it's it's a it's a

966
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: it's a flight. It's like I'm going to to work.

967
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I always will remember that

968
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: drives me nuts. Until this day, I had a clean

969
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: record of never missing a flight. I had a clean record.

970
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I could sleep, I was I was always very at

971
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: peace with myself until this one e in Barcelona where

972
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: I was the boarding pass on my on my phone

973
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: usually shows when you're boarding. So I was taking my

974
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: time because I saw the boarding time and I didn't.

975
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: I was not cognizant of what was going on on

976
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: the screen. I was just looking at my boarding past

977
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: digital boarding pass and that actually had the flight time

978
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: and not the boarding time. So I get to the

979
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: gate and they said the gene is close. You can't

980
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: get on. That said that everything was empty, and I was.

981
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: I was sweating. I was sweating. That was my That

982
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: was my I don't I look back at it as

983
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: like my my my biggest uh, I don't know, mistake

984
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: in terms of travel. You know, it was something that

985
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: will haunt me forever. Probably my clean record is broken. Well,

986
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: I don't have a clean record either. I don't know

987
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: if you've heard this to the grape Vine. But I

988
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: I too almost missed the flight one time overseas with

989
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: the team. I'm not going to go into details here,

990
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: but this was in Madrid. Um, let's just say I

991
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: got to the plane when it was about to take

992
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: off and everyone else was already on that. We'll save

993
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: this one for another day. Our producer is laughing right

994
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: now because he knows exactly what I'm talking about. But yeah,

995
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 1: I almost Which is what happened the night before. Well

996
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: not what you might think. Uh, there was there was

997
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: an issue with my alarm, let's put it that way. Uh,

998
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: And and the phone in the room was unplugged, so

999
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: no one could call me to get me up. But

1000
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: I made it home safely. Thank god I made it back. Um,

1001
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: when you're putting together your plan for traveling to all

1002
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: these different countries and trying to figure out who to

1003
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: go see when you go see them, how do you

1004
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: make those decisions? Because there's it's not like in the US,

1005
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: where there's a there's only a certain amount of collegiate teams, right,

1006
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: there's only a certain amount of NBA teams. There's only

1007
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: so many kids you're gonna go look at. You're trying

1008
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: to find that diamond in the rough, and and that

1009
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: player could be anywhere outside of the United States, So

1010
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: how do you figure out and put together out of

1011
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: that plan of where you're gonna go and when you're

1012
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: gonna go there. So a lot of times you're already

1013
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: there's not many secrets these days of who is who

1014
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: and who is aware because it's just so available on Twitter,

1015
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: on on any kind of websites that you that you

1016
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: might search for, but you just try to decide if

1017
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: it's worth traveling or not. And the pandemic showed us

1018
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: that it's not always necessary to travel to see eighty prospects,

1019
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, just to chalk him off the list. So

1020
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: you do a lot of film work, you talk to

1021
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: people in those countries you want. You definitely want to

1022
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: see the main ones that are already known, but some

1023
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: of the guys that are borderlined that you feel like

1024
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: that you haven't seen before, you don't know as well.

1025
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you're internally at peace

1026
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: with yourself knowing that player and feeling that did you

1027
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: you understand who he is? You have to gather that information,

1028
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: so intel gathering becomes integral part of this job. And

1029
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: It's not only of talking to people about background information.

1030
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: It's or or about you know, what the kid is

1031
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: really how what do people think about him in Spain

1032
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: for example, or brand It's also that you really have

1033
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: to know what this kid has made up of. How

1034
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: does he handle adversity, how does he go through the season,

1035
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: what's the context of that team? Why is he playing

1036
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: a lot? Why is he not playing that much? And

1037
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: what what is this role some some teams trying to

1038
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: promote this player for no reason is not that good,

1039
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: But he's playing a whole bunch of minutes, and you're

1040
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: trying to understand, Okay, that's you know, they're trying to push,

1041
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: they're trying to get the buy out, So you're trying

1042
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: to put everything into into perspective and and understand the

1043
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: context of it. But that's where I think the network

1044
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: that I've gathered over the last nine years now it's

1045
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: probably the biggest advantage that I've I've had over the

1046
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: last years, because you know, from year to year it's

1047
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: the network network effect, and instead of circle of trust,

1048
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: it becomes a triangle of trust. So I talked, you

1049
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: don't have to have hundreds of contexts, you just have

1050
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: to have the right ones in the right places. And

1051
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: then in each country one or two contexts that you

1052
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: trust hundred percent and they trust you because I find

1053
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: myself a lot of times, you know, it's it's under

1054
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: under value that I find myself working for them a

1055
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: lot to help them with information about G League players,

1056
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: forward GI League players, former NBA players, because at some

1057
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: point they will help us, you know. So it's it's

1058
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: a it's a really very subtle arts that I would

1059
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: call it. That you you gather information by create creating friendships,

1060
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: business friendships, and they become friendships because you start trusting

1061
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: each other on a whole different level. And then when

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00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: this one person that trusts introduced you to another person

1063
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: that can help you, that make that that person doesn't

1064
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: know the information that you need, he introduces to to

1065
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: a third person, it becomes a triangle of trust. And

1066
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: to me, that happened so many times. And now just

1067
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: a network effect. Everything is basically one phone call away,

1068
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: whether it's China, Australia or whatever you want to go,

1069
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: it's it's at at my WhatsApp is my best friend

1070
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: basically that's where we communicate any said Bennis, and I

1071
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: hit each other up. It's unless we run into each

1072
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: other in person, it's it's over what's at um those relationships?

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00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: I actually wanted to ask you about that and you

1074
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: beat me to it. But how do you develop those

1075
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: Because in my world with the people who are working,

1076
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, in front of the camera and reporting and whatnot.

1077
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: You think of the Wojes of the world, the Shamsas

1078
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: of the world, like all these people who have very

1079
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: distinct relationships, um where they can get information that they

1080
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: need to be able to do their job. I'm just

1081
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: curious from your side on on gaining information about players

1082
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: and whatnot. How do you develop these relationships over the

1083
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: course of time, um, so that you do trust each

1084
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: other both ways and kind of know that you're going

1085
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: to help each other out. What what? What goes into

1086
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: that process? Well, luckily I like coffee and it coffee

1087
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: is a big thing over here. So called me a

1088
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: coffee salvant if you want, But it's it's a it's

1089
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: a very big thing. Would you go for coffee meetings

1090
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: or dinners or lunches or whatever. It's casual most of

1091
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: the time, but that's where you build their friendships and

1092
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: their relationships. You develop really you. You find out I

1093
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: open up. I'm an open person generally, you know, I

1094
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't mind open about myself, about my past, about

1095
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: my feelings, and people appreciate it because they see your vulnerability.

1096
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to be vulnerable, and then they are

1097
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: not either. So you create, you create a ground for

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00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: trust on the personal level, and over time you start

1099
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: also trusting them with the information about players that you

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00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: know that only they may have that information. You know

1101
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: they don't want to get out there, so they protected,

1102
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: and you protect the sources. You don't tell other people

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00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: where you heard it from. You know, you share the

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00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: pieces that you feel that are necessary, and I feel

1105
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: over over the over time, there's the there's a spectrum

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: of people I call it that I get to know

1107
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: in different cultures, in different in different countries, that I

1108
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: figure out of how to reach and how to adapt

1109
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: easily to different people. You know this, it's I I

1110
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: call it a spectrum of people. The more I've got

1111
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: to know, the easier it is to connect with them.

1112
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: And over time, it's just it just takes off by itself.

1113
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: Where do I fall on that spectrum of people? Vennice

1114
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: right in the middle, Baby, is that a good thing

1115
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: or a bad thing. It's a good thing and everybody, everybody,

1116
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: that's what body call it. Spectrum. It's a rainbow, everybody

1117
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: shining some different colors. And you're setting very bright. Oh,

1118
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: I'll take that. I appreciate that. Hey, you mentioned the

1119
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: coffee thing. Uh. And I was actually talking to our

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00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: our chief technology officer, Jay Wessel last night at the

1121
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: Arena and he told me an interesting fact about you

1122
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: is that you find the best coffee shop in every

1123
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: city that you go to. Is that correct? Yes, sir,

1124
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: I haven't you need to run down of your favorite

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00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: coffee shops in the world, and then you've got to

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00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: have a favorite one in Boston, right, Yeah, there's there's

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00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: one in close to the TV Garden actually cup of Coffee.

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Speaker 1: I think it was called Couping in the North End.

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00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: There's yeah, it's right right right close, right close to

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00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: the arena. Um. So that's that's a good one. You know.

1131
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: You you called me at a spot because I have

1132
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: I have them saved them like in my Google Maps app.

1133
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: So I and when I go to Barcelona, for example,

1134
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: I I already know I get I get a hotel

1135
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: that's in between the cafe and the arena, so I

1136
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: really know I can make that walk coffee. Those are

1137
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: the two priorities for you. Yes, yes, and I thig

1138
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: I visit begs quite frequently, so I already have the cafes.

1139
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: For example, Back in Black is one good one in

1140
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: Paris that I go to a lot of times. I

1141
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: go back and I'm I dressed. I'm dressed in black coincidentally,

1142
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: but it's h There's good cafes in every city. You

1143
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: just have to be cognizant of how to search for them.

1144
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: And there's different apps for my favorite app, for example,

1145
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: this European Coffee Trip, and they have They used to

1146
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: have a website and now they build an app, so

1147
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: if you are in Europe, just just download that one.

1148
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: Or a Thing Being Beings Finder, I think is another

1149
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: one that's that's pretty happy. But I I've made a

1150
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: hobby out of it, and I know where how to

1151
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: search them and I know where where they are. Have

1152
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: you thought about starting a travel agency at any point

1153
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: in your life because you know everything about every country?

1154
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean right now that are probably like man, I

1155
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: wish I could just talk to him, you know, if

1156
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: I go on a trip to Europe, to wherever to London.

1157
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: I can ask bettis where's the best coffee? Yes, absolutely,

1158
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: you can, absolutely can. I've I've I've made already for friends,

1159
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: some like the Berlin tour Guide, the Paris tour Guide

1160
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: that they told me they go into Paris and I

1161
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: just put some put some places, restaurants, bars, uh, cafes,

1162
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 1: everything in one place to side maiden sides. So yeah,

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01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: it's for me. I haven't thought about being a tour

1164
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: guide or or a travel agency, but I thought about

1165
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: being a hotel tester when I retired. Just just just

1166
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: just go go around and be a secret agent for

1167
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: for on the motel agency that's trying to just investigate

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01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: how the hotels are working. So I I think I

1169
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: have a good, good nose for that. Yeah, you've got

1170
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: a future in vlogging as well. You can give us

1171
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: all all the travel if you could be an influencer

1172
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: on social media. I can't wait for that part of

1173
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: your career. Why not? Why not? I'm I'm a hyperactive dude,

1174
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: so I would probably never stop. Which is interesting because

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01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: Danny Age when he was here, and also Austin, they've

1176
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: both like Austin called you tireless, and I think. Danny said, uh,

1177
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: it's impossible to tire you out. So both of them

1178
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: have basically said that you just never get tired. How

1179
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: do you go through all of these day to day

1180
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: workings in your traveling and flying and waking up at

1181
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: different hours and going to watch games late at night,

1182
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: watching the Celtics at odd hours of the day. How

1183
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: do you do this and never get tired? How is

1184
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: that even possible? Yeah, no coffee, coffee is you know,

1185
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: there's there's a baseline that I'm trying to keep. I'm

1186
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: trying not to drink coffee after two or three o'clock

1187
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: just because the caffeine has a half life of six hours.

1188
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: So by the time I go to sleep, I'm trying

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01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: to have the cafine down to minute so I get

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: quality of sleep. I'm really, like I said, cognizant of

1191
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: my health. So I tried to fast a lot of times,

1192
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: not to eat too many meals during the day, not

1193
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: to stack too much. I eat a lot of dark

1194
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: chocolate to keep my energy up. And I'm trying not

1195
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: to have high glucos, not to have high high glacemic

1196
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: index foods. So I try to stay neutral, NS try

1197
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: to stead just just to have my energy consistent. So

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01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm just cognizant of that. But I'm not. I'm not

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01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: a freak. I used to be very, very extreme, so

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01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: I kind of now going towards the middle and trying

1201
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: to enjoy life at the same time. But also, you know,

1202
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: working out walking a lot, just to make sure that

1203
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm in shape and and just that my brain is

1204
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: working the right way. So I'm not. I don't watch

1205
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: the Celtics games at three o'clock in the morning two

1206
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. I wake up every morning earlier

1207
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: than I usually work wake up, and I watched the

1208
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: games without knowing the result. So that's that's usually how

1209
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: to watch the Celtics games. That gives me just a start.

1210
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just you know, three or four hours delayed

1211
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: of knowing the result, but at least I've got my

1212
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: eight hours to sleep. For example, You've had a lot

1213
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: of good film to watch this year from the Celtics,

1214
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, we're running out of time here,

1215
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: but I got a couple of more things that I

1216
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. Number one is the

1217
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: movie Hustle that came out in the last year on Netflix.

1218
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: I know you had to have watched it. I watched it.

1219
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: Probably most of our listeners have watched it. How embellished

1220
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: is that movie about, like what the real scenarios are

1221
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: overseas with with going and trying to find talent. So

1222
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: I got so many messages about that movie. I've got

1223
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: so many for so many friends that I had was

1224
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: playing you in that movie, right, Yeah, But but I

1225
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: have to say I have to say that, first of all,

1226
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: my my dream is to be in a movie too.

1227
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: At some point. That's I just gonna throw it out there.

1228
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: That's that's one of my my lifetime achievement goals. But

1229
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: the movie is a little bit of a mix of

1230
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: what it is to be like to be an agent

1231
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: and a scout, because normally you can't mentor a prospect,

1232
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: you can't be that close to a prospect you have

1233
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: you're observing him. You're you're working for somebody that you're

1234
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: not able, not allowed to represent, and he was representing

1235
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 1: him in in in certain ways. So that's so there's

1236
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tweak. But I like the

1237
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: fact that he was What made it close to my

1238
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: story is that he was also an assistant coach to

1239
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: go to Scout that was an assistant coach again, And

1240
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: that's where people that were texting me they reminded them

1241
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: of me because I was shifting. I'm shifting back and

1242
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: forth between those roles with the national team and the Celtics.

1243
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of both in there. And

1244
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: but the story itself is not necessarily all about Scout.

1245
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: What bettest if you wind up finding us that diamond

1246
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: in the rough that winds up becoming the best player

1247
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: ever in the n b A, something tells me that

1248
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: you will get that movie about yourself and maybe be

1249
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: able to play yourself in the movie. I prefer not

1250
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: to play myself. I prefer to be a crazy Jim

1251
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: Carrey impersonator or something like that, who would play you.

1252
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: Then I don't. I don't. I don't need a story.

1253
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: My story is already just legendary. It doesn't it doesn't,

1254
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be emphasized. The people people know.

1255
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: I want to shoot a movie where I'm a Gym

1256
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: Carrey type of character, and I just can't act a

1257
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: little bit crazy here and there. Fair enough? All right, Um,

1258
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: last topic that I want to hit you on is

1259
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: your communication back here with the Basketball Operations Group, And

1260
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: obviously that's switched over in the last couple of years.

1261
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: It had been run by Danny Ainge. Now it's being

1262
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: run by Brad Stevens. And to me, the fact that

1263
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: you're still here is a testament to the work that

1264
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: you provide to the team that we were able to

1265
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: kind of switch regimes in in the brains that are

1266
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: running this whole thing. Uh, and both of them wanted

1267
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: you to be an integral part of it. But what

1268
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: is your So congratulations on that, by the way, just

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Speaker 1: the work that you provided an organization and for them

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Speaker 1: to value as much as they do. Um, But what

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Speaker 1: is the communication like on a daily, a weekly, a

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Speaker 1: monthly basis with Brad Stevens, Mike Zern, Austin Age, all

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Speaker 1: of these people back in the States, UM, who you're

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Speaker 1: providing a lot of the information you're collecting, you're providing

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Speaker 1: it to them, right. So that's it's been. It's been

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Speaker 1: different in a sense where I don't want to overflow

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Speaker 1: information to people who where it's not necessary to have

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01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: it right now, it's not an urgent business, you know.

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Speaker 1: So it's something that I'm in constant contact with. Austin

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01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: that's my that's my primary contact that I communicate with

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01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: before I go to trips or when I go to trips.

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Speaker 1: I said, I send out information to the whole group

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Speaker 1: that I gather when I watch games, when I watched scouts,

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01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: when I scout games, or when I gather intel. But

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01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: like Brad doesn't need to hear the day to day,

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: he needs to hear the essentials, you know. So I'm

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01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 1: trying to filter it out, just as I use to

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: filter out as an assistant coach for the head coach,

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: information that's necessary to know for him without overflowing and

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01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: overloading him with information. Because Brad has a whole deal

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01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: with a whole bunch of other things. So if there's

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01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: anything that's urgent or that's interesting for him to watch

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01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: to take a look at, or you know, Beg's had

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01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: a great game or Yamadar had a good game, just

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01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: just those little things I think are necessary for him

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Speaker 1: to know. But everything else, it's it just goes with

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01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: the flow. And whenever the you know, approaching to the draft,

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Speaker 1: that's when that's when things are you know that when

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01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: you kind of have to come ready to play. You

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01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,479
Speaker 1: just mentioned them. That was the last thing I wanted

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: to talk to you about. We got Yam, We've got

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Speaker 1: Johan over in your What are those guys looking at

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01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: um right now and how's their seasons going and what

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01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: do we think that those guys might be able to

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01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: provide in the years to come to the Celtics organization.

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: So Yam Yam is playing in partisan with the the

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Speaker 1: Serbian team that I mentioned earlier, and he's playing in

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01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: the U League. He's he's got a really important defensive role.

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01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: He's always pressured in the ball, is always providing team

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01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: with energy, and the team has been you know, up

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01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: and down they played. They have one of the best coaches,

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: most most accomplished coaches in Europe, coach Radovitch. So he's

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Speaker 1: in really good hands to become the best possible player

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01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: he can become going forward. And I I expect him

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Speaker 1: to just keep growing, keep getting better, keep getting strong,

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: and he's gonna he's gonna get there eventually. Begs is

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: currently he had a sprain ankle, which was unfortunate, but

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Speaker 1: we all had those. It was nothing, nothing that was

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01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: really of He's already close to returning. He was already

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: traveled with the team and and he's getting ready to

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01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: get back. He's made it jump forward with his confidence

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01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 1: and on defense on how much how much energy provides

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Speaker 1: on the passing lanes. He's just playing with so much

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01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: more authority than he did before. And his role changed

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01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: with the new coach because now they're having Will Weaver,

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01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: American coach. Used to be a system coach with the Rockets,

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Speaker 1: and he's preparing him to what kind of roles he

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Speaker 1: would have in the NBA. You know, just I'm in

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01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: off the bench, come in sometimes just the starting as well,

1330
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: but coming coming with the energy on defense and making

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01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: place in transitional office whenever the opportunities arrived. That's Words

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Speaker 1: at his best. So that's I enjoy watching both those

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Speaker 1: kids play and I watched them improve over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah, juha. I was excited to see

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Speaker 1: John when he came over here and played in Summer League.

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe how much of a man he looks

1337
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Speaker 1: like at his age. He is a big body, defensive

1338
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: minded guy. I'll be looking forward to seeing uh if

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Speaker 1: and when he makes it over here to play for

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Speaker 1: the team. And same thing with Yam. He he had

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Speaker 1: some really good moments when he came over in summer league,

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01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: and those guys are growing and I know you had

1343
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: a pretty big role and those guys landing here. So

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Speaker 1: we're looking forward to seeing if those guys can come

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Speaker 1: over here and provided the team. Before we let you go,

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: I know you got a podcast that you run on

1347
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: your own, So give yourself a bug Let let everyone

1348
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: know what's the podcast name? Where can they find it?

1349
01:09:54,760 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: Shameless plug over here, but come on, that's it's just

1350
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: basically not the bettest podcast, and it's it's a podcast

1351
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: where we don't talk about the day to day. I

1352
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be evergreen, you know, evergreen I I I preferred.

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Speaker 1: I preferred for it for it to last forever. And

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01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: it's more of a Tim Ferry's style podcasts where I

1355
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: try to talk to coaches, assistant coaches, commentators, different different

1356
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: different different professions in the business and talk about the

1357
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: nuances behind the scenes of how they prepare themselves, what

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01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: kind of just the technicalities of it. And communication is

1359
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: a big topic, how to communicate with players properly or

1360
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: how the relationship building goes. And I'm slowly going into

1361
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: other sports as well. So I had a rugby, former

1362
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: rugby player on I had a boxer on, so I'm

1363
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: trying to also explore how their minds work, how the

1364
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: preparation processes, how they deal with adversity and things like that,

1365
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: approaching retirement for players, for example, I think it's a

1366
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: big thing of the transition process from player to a

1367
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: new identity basically. So I talk about all those little

1368
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Speaker 1: things that I think are under discussed and under under

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01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: the radar, and I'm trying to bring it up to

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Speaker 1: the top and hopefully people enjoyed. I know I've enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I recommend everyone out there to give it a listen. Like,

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01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: you're one of the most interesting people who works for

1373
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: the Celtics, your role, your communication, the way you see things,

1374
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: um and being able to listen to you kind of

1375
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,839
Speaker 1: dive into that stuff on your podcast is just awesome.

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01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: So congrats on that. Thank you for coming on. I

1377
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: know everyone's gonna enjoy this conversation. And when when will

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: I be seeing you back in Boston? When's the next

1379
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: time I'll be back in March, but the team will

1380
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: not be in town, so I don't know if i'll

1381
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: see you. All right, Well, let's meet up for maybe

1382
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee your favorite spot not maybe not,

1383
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: it's on me. It's on me, fetness. Thanks for coming

1384
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: on and uh looks forward to seeing you in March.

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01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Thanks thanks again, see you soon.