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Speaker 1: Oh hey, everybody, another episode of the Quarantine Cast. I've

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Speaker 1: been O'Brien and Phil is drinking a beer. I am

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Speaker 1: That means it's uh, it's a beer time. Yeah, it's beer.

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Speaker 1: I'm going down and just chug a bucket of margarite

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Speaker 1: or some ship. When I could, I could do. It's

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Speaker 1: been one of those days. It's one of those days.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the best part of my day. I

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Speaker 1: was just telling the guys this earlier. The best part

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Speaker 1: of my day is actually recording these podcasts because it's

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Speaker 1: literally just um, me and my buddies talking about hunting. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: we do talk about the situation at hand, but mostly

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Speaker 1: just hunting tails. So I I liked My favorite so

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Speaker 1: far I was yesterday's with Sam in Shane. So hopefully

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Speaker 1: you all who have listened to that one listen to it.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't, we'll give you a minute, go back

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Speaker 1: and do it and we're back. Um, how you feeling, Phil,

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Speaker 1: just to daily check in, give me, give me a rundown.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I'm done with the home schooling has started. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that's another another wrinkle, but it's not it's not

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Speaker 1: too bad. Um. So that's honestly kind of nice to

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Speaker 1: mix it up a little bit and actually give give

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Speaker 1: the house. Um yeah, so yeah, similar. You may hear

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Speaker 1: at some point during our the interview with this session

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Speaker 1: was Steve and Yanni uh Patelis and Ronella respectively. UM.

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Speaker 1: If you hear like my wife's screaming at our child,

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Speaker 1: that uh, something that happened a lot today. He's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's cooped up. I'm sure a lot of you that

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Speaker 1: young children, even you know old or sixteen teenagers probably too.

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Speaker 1: Um or if you're a teenagers yourself, you're feeling cooped up.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to get along. It gets harder

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Speaker 1: to get along. You gotta try a lot harder to

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Speaker 1: to keep the peace as you get deeper into uh

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Speaker 1: warrantine time. So but I mean you'll hear Steve uh

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Speaker 1: his family. But Phil I sent you an email. I

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Speaker 1: want to say that we got a contender to alec

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Speaker 1: a Cox fly fishing turkey from episodes prior. You guys

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Speaker 1: will know that for a couple of other couple episodes

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Speaker 1: this week, I didn't think any turkey hand turkey drawing

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Speaker 1: from the Great Hand Turkey Contest. To refresh your memory,

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Speaker 1: that is, where do you push your hand on a

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Speaker 1: piece of paper or whatever, trace it, and then you

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Speaker 1: make the resulting image into a turkey in some creative fashion.

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Speaker 1: Alec a Cock took a bunch of fly fishing materials

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Speaker 1: like a hand. Now we have today we get an

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Speaker 1: email from I'll give you credit man David Burgess. Um

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Speaker 1: folks and bedding attached. Is my silliest, most ridiculous, majestic

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Speaker 1: and delicious submission for the Great Hand Turkey Contest. I

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Speaker 1: call it The Man. Enjoy, Cheers to health, sanity and TP.

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Speaker 1: So now, Phil, I want you to take your first

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Speaker 1: look at this. Uh okay, just because it's titled The Man,

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling I know where this is going.

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Speaker 1: If any if any of the listeners have perused the

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Speaker 1: meat Eater or YouTube channel. Let's see here so you'll

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Speaker 1: hear later in the show that Steve and Yanni got

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Speaker 1: to look at all my favorites. It was a bit

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Speaker 1: of a cluster, as it always is. But this, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about this one? I think this is

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Speaker 1: a is a challenger for the throne. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: with all respects to to to Alex a cock. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a definite hand turkey. There is a clear

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Speaker 1: it's a face that you made during your your Turkey

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Speaker 1: I'm the Man video that you can watch on YouTube. Um,

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Speaker 1: Ben O'Brien turkey. I don't know what what you would

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Speaker 1: definitely high alert. And um it's well done. The detail

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Speaker 1: when I look at this, I feel simultaneously proud and confused. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Probably the same way you did when people were drawing

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Speaker 1: So that's that's a good analogy for the old th HC.

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Speaker 1: So the contest is going. You have till Tuesday. You'll

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Speaker 1: We didn't quite make it to a thousand yet there, Phil,

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Speaker 1: but we have many hundreds. I haven't been able to

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Speaker 1: enjoy Steve Rinella and Yanni patel Us. Hello Stephen Ronella. Hello,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing, sir? Yeah, I'm in day seven

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Speaker 1: of my fourteen day quarantine as um as dictated by

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Speaker 1: the governor of our state, because I returned from international travel.

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Speaker 1: You did, and you're can you describe the room you're

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Speaker 1: wine cellar in your house, and they designed us to

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Speaker 1: I use it as my office. You would never guess

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Speaker 1: And Yanni, where are you at? Man, I'm just sitting

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Speaker 1: just just talking about, as you guys always do, animal

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, I've never of all of the

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of research. I've not heard of this

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Speaker 1: So there's some guys I got buddies that have had

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Speaker 1: That's what we're doing the fertility stuff because they want

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Speaker 1: something we were thankful for, and the other morning I said, um,

424
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for the days when you're not mad at me. Yeah.

425
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's uh, that's that's a double edged sword,

426
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: there is, Steve. You really work in some angles. I'm

427
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: thankful when you really respect me. All right. Well, on

428
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: a more uh generally positive note, like what have you

429
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: got done that you like garage projects? I know that

430
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: we've been on the meat eater handle and talking to

431
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: our all our boys around the office, or at least

432
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: trying our home office. Is that people a lot of

433
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: the questions like what are the things we can do

434
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: right now? So like what you know garage projects? What

435
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: are the things you all are doing? Though, dude, I'm

436
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: getting way out ahead. I'm way out ahead on projects.

437
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm grinding thirty pounds. I got thirty pounds a Neil

438
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: guy ground up this morning. I got a bag. It's

439
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: still sitting outsides. It's nice and cool, just for ground meat,

440
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: Grego ground meat, burger meat. We're having burgers tonight out

441
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: of that. We're gonna dig a handful out of that

442
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: tub and have some burgers tonight. I got some. This

443
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: is how far out ahead of ham. I'm hanging these

444
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: little hooks up for beach towels on a post out

445
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: in my yard. Later day, I'm holding one of the

446
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: hooks right now. That's That's where I'm at. I'm just

447
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: wishing the ground was thoughts because my daughter wants some

448
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: uh pull up bar type things out in the yard,

449
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: but I can't. I can't get the post in because

450
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: the grounds. For all, I'm thinking about melting that ship

451
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: with candles just to keep plowing ahead during the quarantine Here, dude,

452
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: I wish it was garden season two. Man, I'm looking

453
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: out the window going, oh my god, isn't that a

454
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: missed opportunity. It's the worst. We've had a lot of conversations, Johnny,

455
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: you might be thinking on this. We were talking the

456
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: other day about what if this happened in September? What

457
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: would it be like if it was September right now? Yeah,

458
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I know, a great place to social distance.

459
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: I'm gone. But here's the other thing that that we

460
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: were saying that that would you feel comfortable at this

461
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: point leaving your family for say, ten days in the

462
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: back country with you know, maybe just a SAT phone. No,

463
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: things are a little too on edge right now. Yeah,

464
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: that's not right now. Yeah, we just there's too many unknowns. Yeah,

465
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: and had like that, but but not in in less

466
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: than a month. I'm playing on taking my whole family

467
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: camping and turkey hunting. So I'll go. That's fine, man,

468
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with him. Yeah, as long as you're together,

469
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: that's fine. Um. Last one I just met making a

470
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: bunch of notes. Quarantine meals, like, what's been what are

471
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: you cooking? What's been good experiment? What the hell is

472
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: going on? I had a major breakthrough we ate yesterday.

473
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: But I really I really screwed the pooch because I

474
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: took great photos through the whole process except for the

475
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: last uh like the finished product in the bowl and uh,

476
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: it's all and everybody's bellies now, So the inst the

477
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: story is gonna kind of have a real poopy ending.

478
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, speaking of nil Guy, I had this bag

479
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: and Nil Guy that was labeled send you Trim. I think, yeah,

480
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: I just I just ground one of those up. You

481
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: ground it? Okay, Um, see I feel like it's not

482
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: gonna work. Well, we can discuss that later. We got

483
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: different viewpoints on that. Yeah, I don't like having seen

484
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: you in my burgers. Um. But Jesse was telling me

485
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: because a lot of times I look at that stuff

486
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: and I just throw it away. I grinded up for

487
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: the dog, but Jesse was like, no, man, make stew

488
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: out of that, like, because you just have so much

489
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: collagen in there. I mean this is like literally a

490
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: bag that was had to be silver skin and tendons,

491
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: white chnks fat, Like there wasn't that much meat in there. Man,

492
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: I chopped it up not super small, but you know,

493
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: less than an inch. I tried to keep him under

494
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: an inch and braised it pretty much all day, I

495
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: don't know, six to eight hours in half beer and

496
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: half beef stock. And I forget what else I through

497
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: and there maybe some garlic cloves and bay leaves, a

498
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: spriguer rosemary, but man, and then I let it cool.

499
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: And then the next day I finished it and turned

500
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: it into a stew, just by adding carrots, potatoes and

501
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: uh if you dried cherries. But man, when that stuff

502
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: cooled down, it was like a just a potful of

503
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: jelly meat. Jelly, Oh super good, just like so rich

504
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: and silky, and it just really and and the meat

505
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: was delicious and as long as you don't mind, like

506
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: because at that point you're not like that gristle isn't

507
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna get stuck in your teeth because it's so broken down.

508
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: You just have to give it a couple of choes

509
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: and then you know, just kind of disappears, um where.

510
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like I don't like it in

511
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: a burger, because that ain't gonna happen in a burger.

512
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna chew on it. It's gonna get stuck between

513
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: your two your big molders there, and you're gonna be

514
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: having to pick it out later. Anyways, grind that ship

515
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: up the fine anyways, big game changer for me, Like,

516
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: now all that stuff, she's gonna go into another bag

517
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: called you know, seeing you's do me and I'm gonna

518
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: be making studs forever because listen, when you think if

519
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: you just take like a top round and shop that

520
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: up real small and make yeah, it's like you can

521
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: never it's dry, you know, it's always kind of dry.

522
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: It's not like it's good, but it ain't great this yesterday.

523
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: Everybody was scarf in it a little. When we were little,

524
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: our folks would you know, what they would call Stewie

525
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: would be not stew meyt like they would use they

526
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: would make us stew with the wrong cut. They'd use

527
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: like you know, like rump sirloin rounds and it had

528
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: that yeah, that dry kind of mealy. Yeah I'm not good.

529
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: You've been picking your teeth of that raccoon back at them. Yeah, really,

530
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what end I would see. Oh they

531
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: should have a sharp there's a sharp point on them

532
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: the hook and looks like, yeah, where did someone give

533
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: me a bag of them that they say it was

534
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: a toothpick. Oh that's right. It's got like it looks

535
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: like a scroll on the end of there. Let me

536
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: grab mine. That'd be hard. Yeah, we were comparing baculums here.

537
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: I'll take out later. I learned you'll dig I'll dig

538
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: it out later. Um yeah, I mean I've been to

539
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: that point. Man. My parents always just whatever it was,

540
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: backstrap got fried and rounds they got stewed or whatever

541
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: the hell it was, and it was never right, but

542
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: it was. That's a generational thing, wonder for you guys.

543
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: For me, Yeah, I think people are gonna be digging

544
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: through your freezer. We're gonna find that bag of sinew meat.

545
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: It is just gonna go like hot cakes. Man, well

546
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: siners to is that? That's gotta be on the website. Man.

547
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: That was almost like the It's like the last piece

548
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: of the puzzle for me. I mean I felt like

549
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: every other part of the animal I've figured it out,

550
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: because you know what else is gonna go right into

551
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: that pile is gonna be that Um I think we

552
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: call it the skirt, but basically that flat that kind

553
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: of runs from the ribs over to the top of

554
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: the hip there that is for sure going to go

555
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: right into that same pile. And I think it's gonna

556
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: be amazing. Okay flank, um, I think that would be

557
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: great stew meat too. Um. So yeah, that's it really

558
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: rounds out my sort of wild game approach. It's and

559
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: it's too Steve. What have you been working on over

560
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: there last night? Well, like I said, tonight, we're having

561
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: burgers the air night I had. Um, this is worth

562
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: talking about. There's a fish we get at our fish

563
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: chat called the pea cod Pacific cod, and uh, We've

564
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: always struggled with the best way to prepare it. It's

565
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: like when you when you fry it, it kind of

566
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: soaks up too much oil. It's real fragile. Um, it's

567
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: just a hard to handle fish. It doesn't I used

568
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: to think it doesn't freeze well, but sometimes you get

569
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: a few of them are more. Uh. I always wanted

570
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: to mess with it, and I had a piece of

571
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: I had two Pacific cod flames and my little bike

572
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: caught last summer and um, they've been sitting in the

573
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: freezer since September or since August. So I was a

574
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: little leery about him. But I had him vack sealed

575
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: and the bag held up. You know what hadn't burst,

576
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 1: so air got in there. But I took those flames

577
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: out and rinsed them and uh cut the pin bone

578
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: out of him. And then what I did was I

579
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: got the oven RiPP and hot it, so I got

580
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: that not ripping, but I got the four hundred degrees.

581
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: And my daughter helped me with this. But we took

582
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: the flames and did them in, dusted them in flour,

583
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: and then rolled him in eggwash, just like you're making

584
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: fried catfish. Roll them in eggwash, and then put him

585
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: in panco and then baked that thing on a sheet.

586
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: And holy ship, was that good man. I mean, I've

587
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: done that with a bunch of kind of fish, but

588
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: it want to be imperfect for that fish because you

589
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: can leave it in there and it kind of it

590
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: dries out, and that pancoa makes a firm. It sets

591
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: up real firm, so it winds up giving like some

592
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: structure to the fish. It's almost like what's that where

593
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: you take meat and you put it in a doll

594
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: Like it's like fish Wellington's like that Crispy crossed. Yeah, kids,

595
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: my kids ate it up. Man. I loved it. So

596
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: now when I catch Peacott, I'm gonna be all happy.

597
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Well, we gotta we

598
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: gotta tell a hunting story, and I figured I figured

599
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 1: we could tell the story of Mexico Cuz deer hunt.

600
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: That was the first ended up being the first. U

601
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: t a c ever sitting under that hot ass tree

602
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. Man the middle of

603
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: the day looking for cues deer. We never found me

604
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: missing that buck that tried to charge us. It was

605
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: like a ten yard shot missed him clean. Um. But

606
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: before we we've been doing this. I've been doing this

607
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: is an episode I think nine of The Daily Show,

608
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: and we've been trying to recall a hunting story every

609
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: time with the people that I was there with, and

610
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: it it's been an experiment like how people recall hunting stories.

611
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: How you recall something that might happen two years ago

612
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: and I think in this case three years ago, whatever,

613
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: How you recall collectively recall something going down? So, like, Steve,

614
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: do you have a way that you feel like you

615
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: normally recollect a hunting story, like points that you normally

616
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: go to with the animal of the place, Like what

617
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: how do you approach it. Yeah, that's that's an interesting question.

618
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: And I feel that that's a good question because there

619
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: is something that happens when I was there. If you remember,

620
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're hunting very close to the US border.

621
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: Um all you know, we spend our whole year being

622
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: inundated with stories of tremendous violence along the US Mexico border. Um,

623
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: that gets in your head in a way that's hard

624
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: to ignore. And then, um, you're on edge. You're not,

625
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: You're just on edge. You're in a strange place. It's

626
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to read social cues, it's hard

627
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: to tell what people are doing. You know, all the

628
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: complexities of being your sixty seventy miles from the U.

629
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: S border. But there's just a lot of complexity to it,

630
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: and it's nerve racking. So being there and we were

631
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: we were we were staying quite close to a highway there,

632
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: and there was always strange trucks and new people and

633
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 1: and just like what the hell is that and what's

634
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: going on on the road, and why is it this

635
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,959
Speaker 1: guy pulled over and right you your mind just runs

636
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: away with you. So at the time I would have

637
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: told you that was the trip where it was a

638
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: trip where I was really nervous all the time. But

639
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: now when I tell it, it was the trip where

640
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: we found many gigantic bucks and had the best time

641
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: of our lives. Was it was like, should have been

642
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: here yesterday, but I was here yesterday. Trip absolutely, And

643
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Yanni always tells that I probably made that mistake. We

644
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: recorded that these stories and stuff way back when, but

645
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: I made that mistake of probably over selling, you know,

646
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: the danger piece of it, because one, it's a compelling

647
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: talking point, it's a thing to talk about, because it's

648
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: a natural, as you said, Steve, kind of a natural

649
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: way to approach the situation, because it is when you

650
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: cross over from Douglas to Aquapriata. The differences that are

651
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: divided by offense are amazing, and you start to kind

652
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: of weigh those two things in your head and try

653
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: to try to make it stand up. But I know, Yanni,

654
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: even when we were down there on this particular trip,

655
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: kind of you know said, look, man, you gotta you

656
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: gotta take that for what it is, but also take

657
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: where you are for what it is, because if you

658
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: didn't know where you were, this would be the most

659
00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: idyllic place to hunt deer um maybe ever Johnnie, Yeah,

660
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah, I just think that

661
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: that's that, uh, that story gets blown up and like

662
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: Steve said, your mind runs away with you. Our buddy

663
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: Jay has been doing it for thirty plus years now

664
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: and has never had a single even kind of run

665
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: in with any sort of danger or dangerous people. Um,

666
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: so I think if you're not being a dumbass, and

667
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, in Agua Prietta at two o'clock in the

668
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: morning drunk, you're probably gonna be okay. Yeah. I just

669
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: got back from Baja a week ago, and prior to that,

670
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: we were down hunting couz dere in Sonora. And it

671
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: took this year. My it was, I think this, I

672
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: can't remember I've been down there six or seven times

673
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: now I had to add him up. It's one of

674
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: the other six or seven, maybe six. Um. It was

675
00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: finally this year that I allowed reality two take its place,

676
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: to take its position over emotion or whatever. And I

677
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: was like totally comfortable the whole time because I'm like,

678
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: nothing has ever happened. It's not only not happened to me,

679
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: but not happened to the many people that Jay guides

680
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: or hosts or helps. So this year I was totally

681
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: chill about it. Totally, but I don't wanna. But I

682
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: don't want to act like overplaying it or not. I

683
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: think that any discussion I have about the feeling of

684
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: danger is honestly commensurate with what I felt, justified or not.

685
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: It was just there. It was like it was there

686
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: in me, and I'm just giving voice to what's there.

687
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm not taking that and and and giving it like

688
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: a greater position than it deserves. Like I have always

689
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: felt a little uneasy down there, But again, looking back

690
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: on it, it was the trip of Giant Bucks, and

691
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't feel any less uneasy. Not that I go

692
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: to like big cities that often, but I feel the

693
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: same sort of anxiousness or and uneasiness. If I'm in

694
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: New York and all of a sudden, you're in a

695
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: neighborhood that doesn't look quite as clean and gentrified as

696
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: you know what you're used to, or you know, you

697
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: drop me off in Uh, I don't even know the

698
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: neighborhoods of l A. Compton. Is that a neighborhood in

699
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: l A? Yeah? Yeah, I know how you know about

700
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: that one? Yeah? They talked about it in some rap songs.

701
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: I think you know what I'm saying, Like the same

702
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: thing with with Detroit. You know, we used to go

703
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: there for to watch a baseball game every now and then,

704
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: and there were parts that you drive through that we're scary,

705
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, but it might have not been um oh,

706
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? Not verified, but help

707
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: me out, Steve. Uh. Just justified? Yeah, warranted or justified

708
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: because they're just stories. You know, well, yeah we're gonna

709
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: drive to this neighborhood in the place is always on fire.

710
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: It's like, well we always drive through there, nothing's on fire.

711
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: But people like to tell those stories. You know that

712
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: Detroit it was just burning half the time, but it

713
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: never actually was. So but yeah, I do remember. You know,

714
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: there's little moments though, when you when you cross the

715
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: border there and you go you check your guns and

716
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: do that whole thing, and then you kind of get

717
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: get going into occupation. Like I remember seeing you guys

718
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: remember the water park that's there, kind of oddly place

719
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: to water. Yeah. Yeah, I think of those moments as

720
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: like getting to know that place. Um in a in

721
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: a way, right like this is it's not something you

722
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: expect to see. You know, there's relative poverty everywhere and

723
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: occuperates it. But up out of the up, out of

724
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: the of the mist, is up out of the dust

725
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: is the water park. Yeah, I've come to I've been

726
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: to Mexico many, many, many times. Man, it's my uh,

727
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: it's my second favorite country, next to America. If if

728
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: someone said, like, you can only visit one country besides America,

729
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: I would add, like, without hesitation, I would say Mexico

730
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: so well, Canada. Canada could suck it because we gotta

731
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: ask him just the revolving door to Alaska. So we

732
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: gotta get to the big giant bucks. Uh, And Steve,

733
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: we can start with with the question. I'm I'm pretty

734
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: sure I know the answer. It was, was the cus

735
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: buck that you shot on this trip the biggest you

736
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: you ever shot in terms of what was on top

737
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: its head? Oh? Yeah, man, Not only that, I think

738
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: it's one of those rare things. Well, no, it's not rare,

739
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: because it's happened to be a couple of times. I

740
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: think that I well, I know that I did. Yeah

741
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: did I? I think I probably shot the biggest cuisy

742
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: I ever saw, and and I shot the biggest meal.

743
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: Do I ever laid eyes on. That's the one in Colorado,

744
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: Idaho that same year. No, I'm saying, how many things

745
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: can you think of where you actually got the biggest

746
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: one you ever saw? I see, it wasn't like, oh,

747
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: this one I saw one day. I don't I don't

748
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: know that I've seen. I don't know that we've glassed up.

749
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: We haven't gotten a really good look. Um. I might

750
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: have seen it in passing and not recognize what it was.

751
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: But I never got like a good look at a

752
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: cuzier bigger than the one I got on that trip.

753
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong, and I definitely had

754
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: I definitely got the biggest. I yeah, I'm almost positive

755
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: I've got the biggest meal here I ever saw on

756
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: its feet. Well, I mean in this case, in this case,

757
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: it was I don't know if this is this is

758
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: about his textbook, a situation, a scenario to to have

759
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: a play out for CU's deer is the one where

760
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: your buck did. I mean, I don't know of the

761
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: more spot and stock with no in between. It's just

762
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: the spot at it. I stalked it, I shot it,

763
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: Hey there's one over there, And then an hour later

764
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: it's dead. Yeah, so give us, yeah, run us, run

765
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: us through this scenario. It's the day, it's day. Yeah,

766
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: and I feel like you saw it. Yeah now it

767
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: was See. This is why I love trying to figure

768
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: out these hunting stories with people I was there with,

769
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: because we're always like, you're always kind of spin it

770
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: back and everybody remembers a little bit different. But yeah,

771
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: we were sitting there. It was I don't know, probably

772
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: ten am leven. It's it's later into the morning, and

773
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we've seen twenties some deer. Yeah, yeah,

774
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: and we saw one buck but we spooked it, I think,

775
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: or it's or it's saw us and booger it off.

776
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: And we were just kind of working our way through

777
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: these I would you know, I would say these ridges

778
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: above there was an old creek bed below us, and

779
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: then a field that was planted below that, and we

780
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: I was just we were just sitting there late morning,

781
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: probably getting ready for launch, getting ready for midday naps,

782
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: and me and dirt, old dirt was there's me, you

783
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: and dirt and we were sitting there glass on this

784
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: hillside and I came across what looked like a giant

785
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: set of CU's deer antler, And I remember you saying

786
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: something to the effect of, um, I'm no doctor, cous dear,

787
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling that that is a nice

788
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: big cousier because yeah, because you guys have been there

789
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: for I don't know how many times prior to that.

790
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: So I I had this first time I had seen

791
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: any cuse deer on its feet, I said, expert, far

792
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: be it from me to say, but I'd like you

793
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: to turn your attention to this deer and see if

794
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: you can't check it out. Um, you're right, he was

795
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: on his feet, and then he can. We kind of

796
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: watched him and watched where he laid down, um, and

797
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: then made a plant. Well, no, we had one of those.

798
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: There's a conversation we had that happens where you're like,

799
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: we'll go get them, and they're like, oh no, you

800
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: by all means you go get them, and wow, no,

801
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: you go get them. And we sliced a piece of

802
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: so off a piece of donk. We slice the piece

803
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: of donk. I put a little gouge in one face

804
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: of the donk slice and you had to call like

805
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: gouge or smooth or whatever. We we flipped it and

806
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: I won the right to go after the Cou's deer.

807
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: And what the biggest problem with Cou's deer. There's a

808
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: bunch of problems with One of the big problems with

809
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: cou'se deer is that they lay down and you you

810
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: go like, okay, I know where he is, you know,

811
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: But then you take some circuitous route to get over there.

812
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: And when you get over there, you realize that the

813
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: hillside that seemed very clear to you being that, oh,

814
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: there's the the big bushy bush in the rock, you know.

815
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: And then and then like an hour later, you're looking

816
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: at it from a different angle and it looks like

817
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: it's not a hillside. It's four hillsides and there are

818
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: thirty big bushy bushes. And you sit there and you're like,

819
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea, Like I have no idea. I

820
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: thought it was. I don't know where it is. Is

821
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: it on that hill or that hill or that hill?

822
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: But this one he betted down in a not a

823
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: big bushy bush, but a like very distinctive tree, in

824
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: a hillside that had no other trees, and in a

825
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: place where this red grass gave way to this yellow grass.

826
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: And it was probably the only time I could think

827
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: of stalking a couzier where I did all my sneaking

828
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: and plotting and figure in and eventually popped up in

829
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: the right area. And I was like, ah, dude, that's

830
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: the tree that never happens. And you had a good

831
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: cover to kind of approach him. You could get up,

832
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: you got above him, You approach them perfectly. I'm sitting

833
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: up there, I'm with dirt, and we had devised a

834
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: red bag, red bag, green bag scenario where if if

835
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: he had got up in booger or had moved, I

836
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: was going to hold up a red bag, and if

837
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: he was still in the same spot, I would hold

838
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: up a green bag. And so as you're going, it's

839
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: the you have the perfect route, you got cover the

840
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: entire way, you get above him, and you're and I

841
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming your wind was good because because of

842
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: the result. But that's the most nervous I've been on

843
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: the spotting scope of my entire life, because you had

844
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: already given me kind of the instruction of hey man,

845
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: these things can ghost you. They can they can be gone,

846
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can do about it. So stay

847
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: on the spot, or don't let him get out of

848
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: there and I'm up there by myself, And this is

849
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: the most nerves I've ever had looking through the spot

850
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: or trying to see is trying to see you, trying

851
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: to see the deer, trying to see you, trying to

852
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: see the deer. I remember being scattered brain trying to

853
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: hold a green bag in the fucking air. I'm trying

854
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: to get all this stuff sorted out at one time.

855
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: But I think from from your standpoint, it was it

856
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: was if you to write a playbook for stalking up

857
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: accused deer. This is it. Well where I broke the rule, though,

858
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: was this um I got where I had such a

859
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: commanding view of like I knew was such precision where

860
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: it was, and I had such a command view of it,

861
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: and I knew from your from the bags, from the

862
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: from the visual signaling we were doing. I knew that

863
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: it was still there. And a smart person might have

864
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: just set up and waited, waited, waited, because it will

865
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: eventually stand up. But what I did is I actually

866
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: everything was so perfect that I was able to kind

867
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: of slowly kind of nudge down, slowly nudge down, knowing

868
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: that he would eventually stand up, to try to figure

869
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: out what was going on, and so I was already

870
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: with my shooting sticks and kind of nudge, nudge, nudge

871
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: until he did jump up, not jump up, just stood up,

872
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: because they do that, like you'll see him do it

873
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: all the time. They stand up and see what's going

874
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: on and not bolt necessarily. And um, once I stood

875
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: him up, I took my shot, and yeah, who's dear

876
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: of a lifetimes? Well it is, but it's not because

877
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: I could also picture that if I waited, something could

878
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: happen where he didn't just stand up, and where he

879
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: did blow out like the end kyo, another buck, right,

880
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: And I felt that, like I had so much. It

881
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: was I was far enough way, I was two hundreds

882
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: some yards away at the time, I didn't feel it

883
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: was risky and I was proven right by history. That's right.

884
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: And I mean we there's been that year and then

885
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: in the following year. There's so many times when you

886
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: see see a big buck like that, you think you

887
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: gotta handle on where he's gonna be, and if you

888
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: spook him, it's over. You're never gonna see him again. Um.

889
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: And that that country can hide a deer, hide those

890
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: deer like nothing I've ever seen. Yeah, it's it's it's addictive. Man.

891
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: That country, though, out of all the country we've hunted,

892
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: I think over the years, was some of the more

893
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: open country, and when we would find deer, it wasn't

894
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: like they were just walking behind bushes and trees as

895
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: often as they have on other ranches and other hillsides

896
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: where they tend to disappear more often. There's a lot

897
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: of open yellow grass on that place. And I think

898
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: if if you were, and this is my case, if

899
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: this was to be your first cusier hunt in Mexico

900
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: and Sonora, you would think it was simultaneously very easy

901
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get a look at I don't know

902
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: how many big bucks we got to look at on

903
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: this trip, A dozen maybe something like that. We were

904
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: in them pretty much every time we went out. Um

905
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: that there was. I can think of six or seven

906
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: bucks off my head that I know are bigger than

907
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: the second trip I took. So this place, I don't

908
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: know if it's it's where this was the amount of

909
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: water that was successible here, Like what, Steve, do you

910
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: have any feelings on why this place just kind of

911
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: held more big deer than at least I've ever seen,

912
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: No I think we just caught it at the right moment,

913
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: because guys have gone back since then and they haven't

914
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: found that to be true at all. We just caught it.

915
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: We were there yesterday. Yeah, Well it hadn't been hunted.

916
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: Was that certainly helps? Well? Should yeah, I should add

917
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: that we kind of cleaned it up. We did that.

918
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: We I don't. I don't think that that place it

919
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: had other hunters umour to it. Well, no, if they, yeah,

920
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean other other than maybe a cowboys shooting a

921
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: deer here and there. Yeah, it just those deer had

922
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: not been hunted for quite some time, maybe in their

923
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: entire lives, and there was a nice crop of mature

924
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: deer running around. Yeah. Do you have any other recollections

925
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: of that particular stock on that deer, because I just

926
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: looking back now, I imagine you could replay that a

927
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: hundred times and it wouldn't go that way another time.

928
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: It was just it was like the time that everything

929
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: went right and and and uh, yeah, I don't I

930
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: don't go into when I'm going after one of those

931
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: or someone's going after one of those, you don't do

932
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: it with a whole lot of cockiness. We hunted this

933
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: year down there, and uh, we found a nice buck

934
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: and maybe could have got a crack at it the

935
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: second we saw it. And then Yanni worked it for

936
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: two or three days. We knew right where it was,

937
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: like you could tell any given time within a hundred

938
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: yards where that thing was. He worked it from above, below,

939
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: any possible angle and no reason to think it wasn't

940
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 1: in there. Just never found it. Yeah, he just never

941
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: surfaced again. Well, he did surface again, but I'd put

942
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: the sneak on him and then he and then he'd

943
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: be gone, not because he's spooked, but just because there's

944
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: only it's like you can't there's no spot, you know.

945
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: You wonder like did they get lucky? Did he pick

946
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: a spot where he's like, dude, I'm gonna live in

947
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: here because it'd be a bit to try to get

948
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: me um or is he I don't know, but he

949
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: had a spot where like we knew he was there.

950
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: We knew that he was like right in this little pocket.

951
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: But there's just no way to work them. I imagine

952
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: that they choose those things, conditioning being what it is. Man,

953
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: if they've been chasing around, you know, he's probably like,

954
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I hang out here and for whatever reason I don't

955
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: get shot. That's probably that simple exactly. But yeah, I

956
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't feel like hunter pressure influences the

957
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: movements of those deer. No, you're maybe right, maybe just

958
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: one one week out of every year of their lives.

959
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: I just other than that, they just they just see

960
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: a cowboy, you know, every now and then. That's not

961
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: shooting at them. So, um, I just think that you

962
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: should tell that to the one. You should tell that

963
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: to the one that had a cowboys bullet in his leg. Right. Well, no,

964
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we know, we know that someone get shot

965
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: at cowboy by cowboys, but um, there's one or two

966
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: cowboys per yeah acres. You know. I think that's that's

967
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: just the nature of that animal man where they live

968
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: and how they keep stay alive and not don't get

969
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: eaten by mounta lines. I was gonna say it becomes

970
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: a chicken or the egg. Thing? Is that a big?

971
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: Is that buck big because of where he happened to

972
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: lay his head or or did he figure that out

973
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: and get over there and that's how he got big? Yeah?

974
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't I'd love to know when you find a

975
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: buck that's in a really tricky spot. Um, and you

976
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: just can't find him again. Is he in there thinking

977
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: those mountain lions will never get me? Or is it

978
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: just he doesn't even know why he likes SOO spots. Yeah,

979
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: he likes it for the shade. He likes it for

980
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: the escape roality. He likes it for kind of how

981
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: he can move around in there, and that just so

982
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: happens to be an extra layer of protection that he

983
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily plan for. It's just got elementary pieces that

984
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: he likes. It's hugely temperature driven to where it was

985
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: this year. It was like, you know, we weren't getting

986
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: the cold mornings, um the do you We're spending virtually

987
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: all daylight hours on north and east face and slow

988
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: hopes where they'd get a lot of shade um on

989
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: the some weather you go down and there. They like

990
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: to go out in the big open hillsides, you know,

991
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: and get soak up the sun and that makes them vulnerable.

992
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: But this year, man, you had to just start, you

993
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: had to start your day. You had to start your

994
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: day glass and uh in the shade. And it's hard

995
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: to find them in the shade. They stand out like

996
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean relative to other times, they never stand out

997
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: like a sore thumb because they're a little diminutive little deer,

998
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: but uh, they're a hard thing to find in the brush. Man.

999
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: That's the that's true. And that's so that you know

1000
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: that property we were on, that ranch, that'stos what we

1001
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: were on. I mean, you do you wonder if it's

1002
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: all those elements kind of just come together. It hadn't

1003
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: been haunted, It had a lot open terrain, We had

1004
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: good weather. It's a little bit of rain if I

1005
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: remember correctly, but generally great weather. And it just had

1006
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: in that that piece of country has a lot of

1007
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: the elements you need for to grow big cusier. Anyway,

1008
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: that was the only ranch I've been on down there

1009
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: where I saw a full on legit gray squirrel, like

1010
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: a tree squirrel, gray squirrel. Yeah yeah, I mean that's

1011
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: the most turkeys I've seen, and and spending that spending

1012
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: time in Sonora too, So I mean it was I

1013
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: think because of the amount of water it had probably

1014
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: uh just where we were a little bit richer than

1015
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: it would have been otherwise. Yanni, you want to tell

1016
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: your buck story? Sure, I was honey with John Snow

1017
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: the what's this title going? Editor from the field Stream

1018
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: and outdoor life now I believe. And uh, we've gone

1019
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: across the highway. This ranch um was bisected. I don't know.

1020
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: There wasn't much on the other side, but it was

1021
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: bisected by the highway. And we went to the other

1022
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: side of the highway and uh, sauce deer in the morning.

1023
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: Saw some bucks in the morning. Saw actually a really

1024
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: nice buck. I saw him for maybe a minute as

1025
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: he rolled over a ridge that was three or four

1026
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: ridges away. And then I had Beeto was with us.

1027
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: Beetos our fixer that sort of helps us out there.

1028
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: He helps us, you know, translates while we're driving across

1029
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: the border, goes on grocery runs or gas runs if

1030
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 1: we need it. And then he also likes to hunt

1031
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: COO's dere So he was with us, and uh, he

1032
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: kept telling me, no, we can go over there. I said, no,

1033
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: you don't understand. It's like four ridges, not just like

1034
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: the next ridge. It's like four ridges like the farthest ridge.

1035
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: And I was having a hard time explaining that in Spanish.

1036
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: So he finally said, let's go, and I'm like all right.

1037
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: So we start hiking. He's hiking in his cowboy boots

1038
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: and Uh. Once we got onto like the second ridge,

1039
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: and then I said, explained to him again that it

1040
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: was two ridges farther. He said, oh, yeah, we can't

1041
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: go there. So um, that took me into the middle

1042
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: of the day. We hooked back up with John snow

1043
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: and uh hunting around nothing too exciting middle of the day,

1044
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: and then uh we decided to basically just walk a

1045
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: ridge for the last hour or so. Um. There weren't

1046
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: any real great vantages you could get up on to

1047
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: just cover all this country, but we could walk this

1048
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: ridge and just glass these small bowls that were only

1049
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: maybe to yards across and lots of aka tello, great

1050
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: looking country, and we would just walk the last hour,

1051
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, the crepuscular period, and and hope that we

1052
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: just catch something on its feet. So we'd go to

1053
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: these smaller high points glass for five ten minutes, continue

1054
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: to walk, and somehow I've got ahead of John. I

1055
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: don't know if you just stayed back to glass something

1056
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, but we actually peeled off the

1057
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: ridge and went around a little bowl to another little

1058
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: ridge looking down into kind of longer alley, and I

1059
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: crept up to the edge of this um, this ridge

1060
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: and uh, luckily I was creeping and didn't just walk

1061
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: up and and just peek over, and uh, I just

1062
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: saw the you know, the tops of his antlers at

1063
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: like sixty or seventy yards, and so I actually got

1064
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: back off the ridge, dropped my gear and signal to John.

1065
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: He came over. Eventually. I told him about this book

1066
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: because it was his his I think it was his

1067
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: first CU's deer hunt, and it was kind of our guests.

1068
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: I wanted him to shoot one, and uh, I told

1069
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: him there was a buck right below us and he

1070
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: was going to the left, and so we did. We

1071
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: did a little horse shoe, peeked over again, maybe seventy

1072
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: five yards up the ridge, and caught right up to him.

1073
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: But John didn't want to shoot him, and so because

1074
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: I had found him, he wanted to find his own book,

1075
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: which I can respect that. But I had left my

1076
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: rifle back with my pack, so so he's like, will

1077
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: you shoot him? So I had to take his rifle

1078
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: and shoot him, and uh, it was tricky, man. It

1079
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: was not thick, but definitely through some layers of akatillo.

1080
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: I remember having the scope open, like down like at

1081
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: like four or five and looking at this buck and

1082
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: it was just too many acatillocato. If you're not familiar

1083
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: with it, it's like a multi pronged bush branch. It

1084
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: just goes straight out of the ground, but right out

1085
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: of the base of it, just like I don't know.

1086
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: Some of them have tins, some have thirty or forty

1087
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: of these long um probably instituted diameter. Yeah, stiff bullwhips

1088
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: that can be she Some of them are probably ten

1089
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: fift ft long, and I love walking through them. They're

1090
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: the coolest thing. They're covered in these spikes, like you'd

1091
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: hate to take a crash on like a mountain bike

1092
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: or something into a acatio. Any who. I'm looking through

1093
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: the scope and I just remember seeing so many acto

1094
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: branches and being like, man, I don't think I can

1095
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: thread one through there. But once I dialed up the

1096
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: scope a little bit um, I could see like a

1097
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: path to his vitals. And he was again sixty seventy

1098
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: yards somewhere in that range. I wasn't ranging him um,

1099
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a rest, so I was shooting offhand,

1100
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: and uh, I figured I can make that shot. Well.

1101
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: I touched one off and nothing happened. He just stood

1102
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: there I cycled, touched another one off. He just stood there.

1103
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: He didn't I guess he didn't know where the shots

1104
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: were coming from. And then the third shot, I am

1105
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: hind him in the lungs and uh rolled him over

1106
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: and that was the end of that. So yeah, definitely

1107
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: not like a classic Cuisier hunt. And it's interesting cause

1108
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: I've shot two of them that way. Um caught up

1109
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: to him real close, and uh, it's it's cool to

1110
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: be that close to a to a buff that you're

1111
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: not supposed to get under three yards of. But yeah,

1112
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: those fun. Then John and I had quite the adventure

1113
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: packing that bugger out. We had left a road and

1114
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: gone onto another road that they weren't connected because of

1115
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: a washout or something. Between that they were parallel though

1116
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: between the two was a vat. We thought it was

1117
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: a valley, we hadn't looked at it close enough. It

1118
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: turned out it was more of a canyon. So each

1119
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: of us, with our gear and half a Cousti on

1120
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: our backs, we decided to try to cross the valley

1121
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: and go right back to our four wheeler. Um, instead

1122
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: of walking the road all the way back around the

1123
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: and sort of circumnavigating this this what turns into a canyon,

1124
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: and so we added a solid ninety minutes. I don't

1125
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: know if you guys remember that night. We got in

1126
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: pretty late. You guys were all in your pajamas by

1127
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: the time we rolled in. But we were legit worried

1128
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: about We were pretty worried about you, and we had

1129
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: to eat. We had made dinner, eating dinner divided up.

1130
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: His effects wrote a letter to his family, Janni has

1131
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: decided to take a different direction in life. It was

1132
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: bertial to man because the whole time down we descended

1133
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: this hill, it was nothing but cat claw, just thick

1134
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: cat clawed is shredding our clothes and we get to

1135
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: this canyon. That's like, it wasn't that like it was

1136
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: in desperation. Like if you were getting chased by um

1137
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: a you know, Mexican drug lord, you would probably jump

1138
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: off this wall and get down into the bottom and

1139
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: and risk you know, twisting an ankle and then cutting

1140
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: out of the canyon. But just to like save time,

1141
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: you weren't going to do that. Um So once we

1142
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: went back and forth along the canyon wall for thirty

1143
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: minutes looking for a way to squeeze through the you know,

1144
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: the super steep stuff, maybe find a little shoot or something.

1145
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: We couldn't find it. We had to hike back up.

1146
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. There was at least twenty maybe thirty

1147
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: minutes straight up through this cat claw. Its brutal, and

1148
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: then we walked whatever it took us ninety minutes back

1149
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: to the buggy and then rolled out. So it was fun.

1150
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: It was type two type funds. Fun story to tell.

1151
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: On the back end of Big Bucks. Then that was

1152
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: a big yeah. Yeah, it was like, uh, I don't

1153
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: know if I ever taped it. I might have taped it.

1154
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 1: I think it was like a hundred and five inch

1155
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: or something like that, my biggest to date, real wide. Um.

1156
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: I forget how white he was, but he was wide

1157
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: for a cus dear um. But yeah, I mean, you know,

1158
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: from from a novice as I was at that point,

1159
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: that's a second buck. I think you guys killed your

1160
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: bucks one too. And that's just the two bucks I've seen.

1161
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: That's that's quite the precedent for a guy who's never

1162
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: laid eyes on Accu's deering camp before to see two

1163
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: mega giants, well two giants whatever you however you say it,

1164
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: two big bucks come in and day day one day

1165
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: two and I certainly didn't have any expectation on my own,

1166
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: but we were seeing so many bucks that you just

1167
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: felt like it was gonna happen. So we should and

1168
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: it did. We should talk about There's a lot to

1169
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: talk about from here on. But El Gagante Uh still lives.

1170
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't believe that he does. He's prob he's still

1171
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: out there, Steve, he lives in your mind, that's for sure.

1172
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: He lives in my heart. There was a buck I'll

1173
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: tell my version please. There was a buck that we

1174
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: caught at a weird angle and and and had some

1175
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: image of it, Uh and thought that it was just

1176
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: like the largest buck ever to walk the face of

1177
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: the Earth. I now realized that it was the angle,

1178
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: his position relative to us, the angle, the sunlight. It

1179
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: was a perfect collision of circumstances that made this thing

1180
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: look like El Gregante. Well, and I believe and I

1181
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: believe that that buck is is. I believe that we

1182
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: got that buck and we just were looking at it

1183
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: all all wrong. You think that John snowshot that buck? Yeah, yeah,

1184
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: you do, Okay, in the same neighborhood and and and

1185
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: has the exactly same antler configuration. That's true too. I

1186
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: believe that we happened upon, you know, a near mythical creature,

1187
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: as he was standing on this little knowledge. You'll remember, Steve,

1188
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: like in the sun sun lit old. If if the

1189
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: sun ever kissed an antler better than this, I'd be surprised.

1190
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: Like It's just it was just like haloing around it

1191
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: embraced the sun embraced that antler. It really did, and

1192
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: it was like a three dimensional you could almost say

1193
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: it magnified it. No more like amplified it or or

1194
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: shown It's true. That's the thing. The sun made it

1195
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: look way bigger than it was. What I'll say, So

1196
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: I was trying to I always tell people, man, when

1197
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: i've cuzed, you're hunting, or any kind of meal, you're hot, whatever.

1198
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: I give every deer the benefit of the doubt, Like

1199
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: every deer could be a book and every buck could

1200
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: be a big one. It's like until he proves otherwise,

1201
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: I assume he's giant. It's just how I keep enthusiasm high. Well,

1202
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: I mean, what what we're like day This had to

1203
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: be day three or day four? Early, you know, we're

1204
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: still early in the hunt. We had Steve and I

1205
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 1: had set up on a knull and recorded the inaugural

1206
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: episode of Uncollected while glassing for bucks under a under

1207
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: a tree in the shade. And I don't You'll have

1208
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: to pick this up here because I'm a little fuzzy

1209
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: on how we got over to this deer um. But

1210
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: did we record the podcast after El Gagante or before?

1211
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: Do you remember before before? Because yeah, it was before.

1212
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: And then we ran into that, Yeah, ran into him.

1213
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: We got, We spotted a buck we wanted to chase,

1214
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 1: and we get We went working down a ridge, the

1215
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: ridge the same ridge of where we had climbed at

1216
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: the top to record that podcast, like a nice little

1217
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: glass and tit that was kind of at the the

1218
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: center of of a really good zone. We killed most

1219
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: of the rest of our bucks in this trip. And

1220
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: getting see a buck. We're sliding down this all side

1221
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: to kind of get in position to try to get

1222
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: a better look at him, and I happened to just

1223
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: put my foot in the exact wrong spot, slipped, put

1224
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:12,520
Speaker 1: my hand back and right into a cactus. And uh,

1225
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: I can't remember Steve, if you did you just keep

1226
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: glass in the buck because I just had to sit

1227
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: there and pull what felt like five hundred cactus storms

1228
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: out of my hand. That sounds like something I might

1229
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: have done. He did, and this was my my own

1230
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: pain really affects me greatly, but I find the others

1231
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 1: I just empathy. Screw it. So that was the night

1232
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: before we ran into El Gagante. Now that I'm putting

1233
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: the pieces of the other because I remember we slid

1234
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: down after this buck. We never got a good look

1235
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: at him again, and I went back with a throbbing hand, uh,

1236
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: feeling like a jackass. But the accomplishment of that that

1237
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: day was that we recorded the first th hc um

1238
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:04,759
Speaker 1: as hillside dude feeling very dejected, dejected, trying to trying

1239
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: to figure out what the hell we were gonna do

1240
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: it was. It did get hot that day. I remember

1241
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: being sunburned ship my hand going back to the to

1242
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: the ranch house, hand throbbing, wrapping, bleeding, sunburn, just thinking,

1243
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: all right, CU's deer is not as easy it was

1244
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: when Steve killed a buck. We're gonna have to work

1245
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: for this one. And then the next day we went

1246
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: back to the same zone. This is another mid morning thing.

1247
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: We spot a deer as we're working through these bottoms,

1248
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: spook that deer. Remember we worked around there was a

1249
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: deer that was kind of bedded down in a little

1250
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: a little cut, little culvert. We worked around this knob

1251
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: to try to get to him, spooked another deer and

1252
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: spooked him. Um, and we thought both those deer were

1253
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: pretty big, and so we we saw the direction they

1254
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: kind of moved off towards. So I started working around

1255
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: this hill to kind of get a good vantage. And

1256
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: as we're working around this hill, I don't remember do

1257
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: you remember Steve who first spotted Elegagante kissed by the sun? No,

1258
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: I do not recall one of us. I think it

1259
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: might have been dirt, because as me, you and Dirt,

1260
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: we get going around this corner, we see this buck.

1261
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: He's probably two hundred fifty three hundred yards away on

1262
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: this hillside. Um, we get laid down. The problem at

1263
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: that time is the sun was right in our eyes.

1264
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: I remember the problem. We had seen it horribly, yeah, horribly,

1265
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: probably the worst I've ever seen. So I got I

1266
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: have some video. It's quite that's pretty popular of me

1267
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: laying prone. After we had first spotted al Gagante, where

1268
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: we decided we were punching each other in the arm

1269
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: I think it was. We were so excited about how

1270
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: big this buck was when we first saw him. I

1271
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: mean it was immediate, all three of us immediately thinking,

1272
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: this is the biggest cus deer that ever walked? Is

1273
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: that your Is that your recollection? Amaying at the time.

1274
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 1: That's how I That's how I felt at the time.

1275
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: So he was I well, I felt we got a

1276
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: spotting scope on him, I got the scill up on him,

1277
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: but because the sun couldn't get a shot, well, he

1278
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: works down the hill down, uh, into kind of a

1279
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: bottom where we couldn't see an up on this ridge

1280
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: behind it, and it was covered in shadows that might

1281
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: as well have been black. We could see him moving

1282
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 1: from tree to tree, bush to bush. We could kind

1283
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: of see him serpentine and through this stuff. But as

1284
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm laying pro trying to get the scope on him,

1285
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: Steve's holding his hat in front of my front of

1286
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: my scope, and I'm trying to instruct him on where

1287
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: to hold the hat so I can actually see. And

1288
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: I get like tiny micro glimpses of this buck in

1289
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,879
Speaker 1: my scope, and then the sun flares again and I'm blind,

1290
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: and then I got to try to pick him up again,

1291
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: and so this buck at this point we still believe

1292
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: to be el Gagante, the biggest accusing your buck to

1293
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: ever walk. It's kind of just slowly working his hillside.

1294
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: And that's the most it would have been. You know,

1295
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: a difficult shot, but one you could have made if

1296
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: not for that, Steve, have you ever run into the

1297
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: having to hold a hat like that? Yeah, I've had.

1298
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: Over the years. We've had a number of things get

1299
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: the slip just because the sun thing man um and

1300
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: like you said, it's like everything's black. Yeah, it's horrible.

1301
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: I actually think that's Yeah. The next year, right, didn't

1302
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: you and I both shoot those bucks and we had

1303
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: to hold hats to make that happen. I had. I

1304
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: had Callahan standing there trying to move his hat around

1305
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: in such a way that it would give a little

1306
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: sun protect It's a sunny ask place, and the thing

1307
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: is is in the wintertime down there, it's intense sun,

1308
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: but it's always at a low angle. It's just like

1309
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: it's at a low angle in the morning, then all

1310
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's just at a low angle in

1311
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: the evening. There's not like a midday part. It's just

1312
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: a lot of u there's a lot of eye level sun.

1313
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: It's like the thing comes up and seems to travel

1314
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: the whole damn horizon, shining into your eyeballs. It's a

1315
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: tough place to sun. And then you got the dust factor,

1316
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: where's just a lot of dust. So dust is on

1317
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 1: your optics, dust is in the air. Visibility is tough. Yeah,

1318
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 1: a lot of I wasna the first episode. A lot

1319
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: of a lot of cous here hang out on north

1320
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: face and slopes, and that means that son is going

1321
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 1: to be in your eyes and in your scopes binoculars

1322
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: that much more because you're always looking it's out. Yeah,

1323
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: the way that the way that sun acts, you'll have

1324
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: in the evenings um and sometimes in the mornings you'll

1325
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: have I don't know, man, what it must be forty

1326
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: fifty degrees of visibility. That just doesn't do you any

1327
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: good at night. It's just it's like a real factor.

1328
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: It's just like sun looking into the sun. Yeah, I

1329
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: think because of what we're talking about. Two. I remember

1330
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: you saying this on the first when we recorded that

1331
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,799
Speaker 1: first episode. It's kind of you're very you're very aware

1332
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: of the times of day. It kind of like you

1333
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: have that you know, the pre dawn crepuscy, those those

1334
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: periods where we're deer on their feet and it kind

1335
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: of snaps into mid day and then it kind of

1336
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: snaps into you know, that that dusky time when the

1337
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: deer actually moving. So because of the way the sun

1338
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: is and the way that the way the terrain is

1339
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: and how intense it is, you kind of become more

1340
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: heightened to those moments when prime time hits. And yeah,

1341
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: there was a palpable excitement when it gets like deery,

1342
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: you know on a hot day. Yeah, yeah, I know,

1343
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: we we experienced that here and we were kind of

1344
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: in that deery time period when when Al Garrant made

1345
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: his his move anyway, he's he was working through this hillside,

1346
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: and I was it's the most frustrating thing when you know,

1347
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: if if we can get the hat scope deer scenario right,

1348
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: all the elements to line up perfectly, you're going to

1349
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: get a good shot at this deer. And he's a

1350
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: big deer and we really want to shoot him. And

1351
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: as we said before, man if he gets away tonight,

1352
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: we may never see him again. And likely in the

1353
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: country where we were, it was very likely we never

1354
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: never get eyes on him again, so you feel that pressure.

1355
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: I felt that pressure. We're working through. He finally stops.

1356
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: I remember behind an ok TiO on this hillside where

1357
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,839
Speaker 1: I have the crossings own the shoulder. I could finally

1358
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: make him out. I have the crosses owner should I'm

1359
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot through his Oka tillo. He just needs

1360
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: to make two or three steps for me to get

1361
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: a wide shot. He makes instead of three steps, he

1362
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: makes like a step and a half, and so I'm

1363
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: shaving it off, and I'm thinking I could still get

1364
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:34,959
Speaker 1: a bullet in there. I squeezed the trigger, shot goes off, chaos.

1365
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I hit him or not. I

1366
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell went on. I can't see anything.

1367
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: Sons right back my eyes. Afterwards, nobody I remember Dirt

1368
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: was trying to film it, trying to see if I

1369
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: had made a decent shot. Nobody knew. I wasn't sure

1370
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: of the shot. I wasn't real confident, just because all

1371
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: the scenarios going on. And then we pretty quickly, Steve,

1372
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: didn't we make just make our way down the hill

1373
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: to check things out. Yeah. I went down there and

1374
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: then had a really weird thing happened where we're checking

1375
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: around for blood. This has always confused me a little

1376
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: bit because we're checking around for blood, but all of

1377
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: a sudden we could hear something running, like he thought

1378
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: we were a dough, Like he spooped but then thought

1379
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: we were a dough or something, and here's something running,

1380
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 1: and he storms back in on us. Yeah, you were

1381
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: remember shake hands five yards? Maybe, I don't know. I

1382
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: don't want to over exaggerate how close. Not as big,

1383
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: but this is different. This is a point where we're like,

1384
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: it must have been a different buck. Now I don't

1385
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: believe that. In my mind still to this day, I'm like, well,

1386
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: that was a different buck, even though it was the

1387
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: exact same spot that buck just was. It was the

1388
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: weirdest thing I've seen, one of those things. Do um. Yeah,

1389
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: And I was kind of he stormed back in, and

1390
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: I was kind of I was below you, kind of

1391
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: catty cornered. I mean I was probably at your you know,

1392
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: say eight o'clock or nine o'clock, and he's storming like

1393
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: towards you, and I could see the deer. But as

1394
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: I shoulder my rifle, I remember you just saying shoot him,

1395
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: shoot him, and he's coming in. I can't I have

1396
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: to like stand on my tippy toes to get a

1397
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: decent shot because we're in the tall grass, and I

1398
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: freaking squeeze a shot off at what felt like point

1399
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: blank arrange, he just turned around and ran off. I

1400
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: felt like the worst fucking hunter to ever wear a

1401
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: pair of boots. And at that moment, and I was like,

1402
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: this is We're still thinking this is El Gagante at

1403
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: this point that we just got this lucky, this very

1404
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: fortuitous second chance at the biggest cusier to ever walk,

1405
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: And I just it was it wasn't like if you

1406
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: were in Hunter's safety you know they show you those

1407
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: slides and Hunter's safety either like shoot, don't shoot. I

1408
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: think it would have been very clearly and that don't

1409
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: shoot realm because it's like it was a big embankment

1410
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: and you can see a deer basically from the white

1411
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: throat patch up sticking his head up forward the bank.

1412
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: But it just say like if you had to pass

1413
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 1: your test, you had to be like clearly, I would shoot,

1414
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: but I don't gonna have to say no, because I mean, yeah,

1415
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: if you weren't here, I would say yes, Like if

1416
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, I mean I felt at the time,

1417
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: you feel like the no, by which I mean yes, yes,

1418
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean no for the purposes of passing the test. Yeah, man,

1419
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: I felt like this deer was at the end of

1420
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: my gun barrel, like That's how I felt like that.

1421
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: I just felt like you could never have another opportunity

1422
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: as frenzies as that was to get that deer. I mean,

1423
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: he just walked right in there. We it was a weird,

1424
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: weird moment. Man. I kind of forgot about how weird

1425
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,919
Speaker 1: that moment was. And I just remember just feeling immense

1426
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:41,799
Speaker 1: shame at that, just immense deep. It happened so fast

1427
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: and unexpected and weird. Yeah, And I just remember I

1428
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: missed this, dear, and then I came up here and

1429
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: he ran back in and dived by me, and I

1430
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: he kind of cozied us, and I missed in a

1431
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: three paces and he just and I remember you looking

1432
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: at me with like this to confused, look like how

1433
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: how is you not? Hey? Man? I was at Doug

1434
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: Durn's one time hunting white tails, and one of the

1435
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: I was hunting with uh our friend Brittany I think no,

1436
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: it was with Helen, our friend Helen, and she shot

1437
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: a buck and killed it, you know, and we wanted

1438
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: our way over there and had the same thing. All

1439
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,959
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I could hear just hoofs a blazing,

1440
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: you know, and like someone else had spooked this buck

1441
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: and he had inadvertently run into it was in the

1442
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, I could have swatted him with

1443
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: the gun, and I threw up and like took like

1444
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: my chip shot, you know, my gimme and just whiffed

1445
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: like it can't even to this day, like I understand

1446
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: how I could have. I mean, it was just right

1447
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: in my face. But you don't feel like they definitely

1448
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: don't go through your like process step one. Yeah, now

1449
01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: you feel like if we had grown up in this

1450
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: South running deer with dogs, maybe we've had a better

1451
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: chance at this or something. We did a lot of

1452
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: deer I lost, whatever it was it allowed you just

1453
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: always pulled it together on deer drives. But no, it

1454
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: just startles you, man, and like I still don't know.

1455
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: I like, it defies explanation that I missed this deer

1456
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: at dogs. This is a nice big buck to probably

1457
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: would have been would have definitely been my biggest white

1458
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: tail ever. I mean, yeah, I mean in terms of

1459
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: El Gagante. I I felt the added pressure of like,

1460
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: this is a giant deer. We were all freaking out

1461
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: about the deer prior to this moment, and uh, I

1462
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: felt like such a dumbass. After that, we went back.

1463
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: It was right around dusk when this happened, and so

1464
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: we made the march back to the ranch and I

1465
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: felt like an absolute failure. Um, it's just well, just

1466
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: like you said, it's just such a weird encounter, and

1467
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 1: you felt like the second chance of greatness, you know.

1468
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when you're wandering through the dark down those

1469
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 1: dry ass canyons, getting scratched up by cactus isn't tripping

1470
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 1: over rocks. It's a lot better when you just got

1471
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: a box. Yeah, And I remember, I don't know if

1472
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: I remember you Steve a lot. I. We were all saying, uh,

1473
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: we when we would stop or we would pause, we

1474
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: would say like, well, we said a lot of like

1475
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: it happens, happens with the best of us. I'm just thinking, no,

1476
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't, or what you're talking about. I'm sure what

1477
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about. It was fun. So the next day

1478
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: John Snow in that same zone. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah,

1479
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: and he checks sees a buck similar to what Steve

1480
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: feels is El Gagante. Imagine that you took El Gagante

1481
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: and kept all the proportions and all attributes of his antlers,

1482
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: but just shrunk it. Yeah. Yeah, so El Gagante Jr.

1483
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: Who clearly was just El Gagante's son in my mind. Um,

1484
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:58,520
Speaker 1: as El Gagante probably still runs free. He's probably by now. Um.

1485
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 1: He goes over and makes a pretty easy stock shoots

1486
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: this buck. Yeah, we didn't seen him. I think tonight

1487
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: before he couldn't get on and yeah, we're we're waiting

1488
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: for him in the morning. Yeah, he gets over there

1489
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: and does what I what I would pretend whoever I

1490
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: would say is an easy easy stock shoots this buck.

1491
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: All is good. I'm the last one, last stand holding

1492
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: the bag without a tier. Um. And I remember hunting

1493
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: that entire day. We sat up on that same ridge

1494
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: where we recorded the podcast for a while, glass a

1495
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: lot of bucks. Didn't really have much luck, and uh

1496
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: we got a kiddo. I always get a kiddo. Um,

1497
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: we didn't have much luck. But then uh, at the

1498
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, we saw a buck. We're going

1499
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 1: after this buck and the sun's going down, the hunt

1500
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: is ending, things are over. I'm kind of coming to

1501
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: grips with the fact that I'm not going to get

1502
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 1: a deer, and Steve and I are kind of walking

1503
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: offense row into the sunset. He keeps kind of cruising

1504
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: and glass and I sit down. I'm just gonna enjoy

1505
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: the sunset. I'll glass from here. I'm looking out across

1506
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: this this area and I don't I think it was

1507
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: you Yanni that saw well. I had seen a nice

1508
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: buck back in that general zone. Again, like I don't know,

1509
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: it was the day before, two days before, but it

1510
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: was so far away and we hadn't really been hopping

1511
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: over there, so nobody was nobody was really excited to

1512
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: go and try to rEFInd it. But that day I

1513
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: think it was Garrett and uh yeah, we radioed and

1514
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,839
Speaker 1: then we all got together. Right, yeah, you came running

1515
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: over to us. I mean, this is I don't know,

1516
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: forty five minutes before last legal shooting light when we

1517
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: spied You spied this buck, and we're a good ways

1518
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: away from him at this point. To get down to

1519
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: get over to where he was, it's gonna take us

1520
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: at least that long, if not longer, So you came

1521
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: down to meet us, Steve even I and we went

1522
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: running over there, I mean legit, running in, you know,

1523
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: losing light, running trying to get the spot where we

1524
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: could see him again and get a shot set up. Um,

1525
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: you got any memories of this last ditch effort, Steve

1526
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: to get this buck. No, because I was left out

1527
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: of the loop. Oh you stayed back, didn't you. Yeah,

1528
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: I knew what was going on, but I couldn't even

1529
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: find the deer. I was up with my binoculars. I

1530
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: never I never got to look at the deer. I

1531
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 1: never knew where it was. I mean it was it

1532
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: was again now it was getting pretty dark, pretty dark,

1533
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: very dark. No, I never, I never saw that buck.

1534
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: And I was always in spots where I had a

1535
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: pretty commanding view and never ever laid eyes on it.

1536
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: Even when you shot, I didn't know what you're shooting at.

1537
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was. But no, I never,

1538
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the hell is going on? Man,

1539
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 1: I was out of the loop. Well we got running

1540
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: up there, you're out of breath. You kind of it's

1541
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, it is it is. If

1542
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: it was last shooting light, it was. It was the

1543
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: final final rays of light. Like we and we I

1544
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: get laid down prone, We're trying to figure out where

1545
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: this guy is. He pops up on this ridge and

1546
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: starts working down this ridge, chasing a dough and then

1547
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: works around to a spot where I can get a shot.

1548
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: And I know, yeah, you were there, And he gave

1549
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: me just a mill a second where he stopped a

1550
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 1: broadside and I squeeze off the trigger and he was gone,

1551
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: like disappeared, didn't. I didn't see him running, didn't didn't

1552
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: see anything, just gone. And I thought in my head

1553
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: I had that's so little confidence at that moment. And

1554
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: my head, I'm like, well, that's that's a great way

1555
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: to end to just miss another deer. Put that on

1556
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: the ledger. You know, yeah, that's but it's not because

1557
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: it's not because like something crazy happened. It just went

1558
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: from like when you can kind of see two pitch

1559
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: black and at the same moment that you shot, Yeah,

1560
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: actually the blast side of the muzzle might have dilated

1561
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: dialect done the opposite, closed your pupils a little bit.

1562
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: That way, when the muzzle blasts disappeared, it seemed like

1563
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 1: it was pitch black. That was. I took my sunglasses

1564
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: off and then there we were. But yeah, I know,

1565
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,759
Speaker 1: I yeah, I just thought for sure I had missed.

1566
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, I know it was a good solid shot.

1567
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: I was right on him, and but it just the

1568
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: lack of confidence led me to think immediately I missed

1569
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: this thing. Now that was a hail Mary hunt or

1570
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: a hail Mary attempt at killing that deer. From the

1571
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: minute that we decided to go after him, because it

1572
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: was so late in the day, it was that must

1573
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: have been like the longest dusk period that hunters have

1574
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: ever encountered, because it was we had like twenty minutes

1575
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: left when we hooked up and we shot the buck

1576
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: like two hours later. I want to point out there

1577
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 1: was no artificial lights involved. The artificial lights and you

1578
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: want to point out that we're hunting in Mexico. They

1579
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: don't have rules about when you can shoot or not. UM,

1580
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: So as long as you feel like you can make

1581
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 1: a safe shot, UM that you can shoot. And that

1582
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: shot that when you shot wasn't that far. I think

1583
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: it was like and he was up kind of up

1584
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: on a little ridge where he had the kind of

1585
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: some light behind him where I could get a good, uh, silhouette.

1586
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: I knew exactly why I was told him, and when

1587
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: I pulled the trigger, you know, like I said, it

1588
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: was just the lack of my lack of confidence that

1589
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 1: this was all gonna work out, because it was such

1590
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: a hail Mary. It was such a last minute like

1591
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: maybe this will work, but it's probably not, but we're here,

1592
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: so let's try. So I just didn't have a lot

1593
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: of confidence in the end result. So when I pulled

1594
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 1: the trigger, he was gone. There was there's no flag

1595
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: in running one way or the other. There was no

1596
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: it was just literally nothing, um. And so I was

1597
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 1: sure of it. And then we walk over there. I

1598
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: think Steve got there before anybody. You're Steve spotted him

1599
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: for anybody. We walk over there and he had literally

1600
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: just kind of flopped over. I mean he maybe a

1601
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: ten yards down the hill from where I shot him.

1602
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: He had just flopped over in the spot where uh

1603
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: he wasn't visible till you walk right up on him.

1604
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: Nice damn buck too, man, a great buck. And and

1605
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: you know what essentially is a perfect shot. I mean

1606
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: he right in the heart and he flops over and

1607
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: he's dead, and it works out. Even though it was midnight. Yeah,

1608
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: that turned into a death march too, if I remember right,

1609
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: yea some long ass because you can't pick your routes

1610
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: at night. Very good. Down there, I thought, we just

1611
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: walked that bottom out the whole way right to the

1612
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: to the buggy. Yeah, we did, We did well. They

1613
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: pulled the buggy, They pulled the buggy down in that

1614
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: in that bottom, and we walked the bottom right out

1615
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: of there. But we did. I mean it was dark

1616
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: as hell when we skinned that thing and cut him up,

1617
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:39,759
Speaker 1: That's what. But I was just looking at the pictures

1618
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 1: from that from that night and the couse there, gods

1619
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: were really shining down upon you because there's a picture

1620
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: of El Gagante and then you're bocking your bucks bigger. Yeah,

1621
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: I've earn I earned something. Uh that if there are

1622
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 1: accused here, if there are coots, if there are accused,

1623
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: dear gods that they just up trying to get get

1624
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: a deer for me, and I kept trying to mess

1625
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 1: it up. They're like, well, we'll see that buck you

1626
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: just missed. We'll send it back. Just run over there,

1627
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: he'll miss that. But yeah, I mean to get a

1628
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 1: I have that buck hanging in my garage now and

1629
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: people always kind that's a nice, nice white tail, like, Nope,

1630
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 1: that's no, dude, it's the best. It's it's I love

1631
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: it down there, man, I do too. Um, and that's

1632
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean as far as a hail Mary ending, that's

1633
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it was. I would admit to that,

1634
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: like I was confident to pull the trigger, but it's

1635
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: not wasn't the best scenario, um to do it, but

1636
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 1: it worked out. And sometimes, uh, you gotta take those

1637
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: those opportunities when they give them, they present themselves. That's

1638
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 1: what that was. I'm gonna bring it full circle for you, Ben.

1639
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: I read an article today about how Mexico is not

1640
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: taking necessary steps ahead of the coronavirus. Man really where

1641
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: I was there, did what are their case uh numbers?

1642
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: It's super light. But I think that that they're one

1643
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: of those countries that could be learning from what everybody

1644
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: else didn't do. Maybe they're not doing it well. I

1645
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: would bring I wish them, I wish everybody down there

1646
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: the best, man did. I'm gonna bring it even further

1647
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: full circle and ask you guys to pull up the

1648
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: hand turkey emails, because dude, nothing to do what we're

1649
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 1: talking about. But I'm telling you what, Like, when I

1650
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: go to museums, I just walk around being like shit,

1651
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: I could have done that, But when I pulled up

1652
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,679
Speaker 1: those turkey hand things, I did not have that feeling.

1653
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: It was. It was humbling, even humiliating a little bit. Yeah,

1654
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: the artistic quality of those turkeys. Have you gotten to

1655
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 1: look at them? You get there, young? Oh yeah, yeah,

1656
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking at them, but I feel like there's one

1657
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: Some of them are hand drawings. Yeah, the one that's

1658
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: the one that's named unknown. They all unknown, Sorry, they're

1659
01:32:54,479 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: all unknown. Which one didn't This is unknown with no

1660
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: number where it's got two turkeys. There's a hand and

1661
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: a goblin, and the hand might be a decoy. Um. Yeah,

1662
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: I just don't see how a human's hand fits into that.

1663
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: Mean it's inspired, it's inspired by turkey hand drawings. Maybe

1664
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: the hand if you took your hand this way and

1665
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: then turned it, I could see that, you know, if

1666
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: it's not a vertical hand like and you normally have

1667
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: the vertical feathers on these hand drawings. But his hand,

1668
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: if you caught it sideways, I can maybe see it.

1669
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: But his gobbler, I just know I don't know. No,

1670
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a hand drawing. I don't think

1671
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: it's inspired by hand drawing. But I like that fist,

1672
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: how he's making a fist. But but it's he was

1673
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: not following. It's like this man in school right now,

1674
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 1: and then you just got to follow the assignment. Yep,

1675
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: we have when we assignment. Now, tell me about the

1676
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 1: one that's entitled the man clearly inspired by hand drawing.

1677
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. I don't think it was a

1678
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: hand drawing, but it was inspired by a hand drawing.

1679
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: Makes a great reference to hand drawings, excellent execution. In

1680
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: my mind, it's a clear winner. I could see someone

1681
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 1: having that as a tattoo. That's what I was thinking

1682
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 1: when I saw it. So I just to describe what

1683
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: we're looking at here. It's a turkey. I can't even

1684
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: try to describe it for me, Janni, Uh, it just

1685
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: makes me laugh too hard to look at it. Yeah,

1686
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:42,719
Speaker 1: it's uh he he. If it was just the hand,

1687
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 1: the hand part, don't count the thumb yet, just the

1688
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 1: hand part with your four fingers up in the air.

1689
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: That's all very turkey color. Turkey featherish um out of

1690
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: the bottom there's some turkey legs, there's a little beer.

1691
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: But then what really makes this is that the thumb

1692
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: has been elongated. And they basically took Ben's costume from

1693
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: the video that we did, which I believe we titled

1694
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: down the Man and uh sort of drew a cartoon

1695
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: of that character that been played and attach it to

1696
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: this hand turkey and did really a great job. I mean,

1697
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: if you don't print that thing out and frame it

1698
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: um and put it in your office, something's wrong with you. No,

1699
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 1: that should go on the podcast studio for sure. Yeah,

1700
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking to make a little hall of fame.

1701
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, now I want to move on to We

1702
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, the guys named Alan Is

1703
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: there just is there agreement or disagreement, the trusting that

1704
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna wind up back on our studio at some

1705
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 1: point that this will be in the podcast studio agreement? Disappointed? Okay,

1706
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: I just got I just want to point out one

1707
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: thing about this picture. Do you see the one thing

1708
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 1: there's like an anatomical miss. The thumb is way too long? No?

1709
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: Is it that? The um? I mean it's it's like

1710
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: you mean that this guy has a human face for

1711
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: a face. No, it's got my face. It's got my face.

1712
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: Each finger is just painted as a turkey feather. The

1713
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: spurs are upside down. Oh good eye you honey, Oh yeah,

1714
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: yeh honny. Alright, that's why you're here. How impressive that

1715
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 1: guy is. So now go to Cyclopaedia Brown if your red.

1716
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna count that against him.

1717
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean I still love the thing. Um, it just

1718
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: still hung up. It's just we'll always remember the flaw.

1719
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: That flaw now, the one that's I am G seven

1720
01:36:53,160 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: four eight three, um, beautifully titled. Yeah that's are you

1721
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:07,799
Speaker 1: looking at that now? Very very impressive and not again

1722
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: inspired by the hand drawing. But each finger is a

1723
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 1: squirrel's tail. Yes, made by a big fly fisherman turn

1724
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: turkey hunter thanks to our podcast. He told us, Um,

1725
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: this this is first year turkey hunting. So you use

1726
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: all this fly time material to make this turkey. I

1727
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: just I it's hard to it would be hard to

1728
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,600
Speaker 1: put this thing down. We've talked about it on the

1729
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: show a lot. It's kind of become the mascot of

1730
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: the daily podcast. Um, it's beautiful. In has he sent

1731
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: you the did he send you the real thing. Yeah,

1732
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna send it. I told him just wait till

1733
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 1: the quarantine so we can get back. And it's got

1734
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 1: a sand Juan. It's got a sand Juan worm for

1735
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 1: for uh snood snood. Yes, uh yeah, it's got its

1736
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 1: caruncles there. It's got its uncles are made out of

1737
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: beads like that you would used to be, you know,

1738
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:04,560
Speaker 1: to fish uh trout. They're eating salmon eggs. There is

1739
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: a turkey feather in there. Uh and the for the

1740
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 1: wing I would think, yeah, I mean, what do you

1741
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 1: call this stuff to eat Willie buggers with? I can't

1742
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 1: remember now, but that's what his beard is made out of. Um.

1743
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: And then there's some grizzly hackle, which is you know,

1744
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: part part of his body. He does have a couple

1745
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: of turkey feathers in there. But when I didn't notice

1746
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 1: until just now is what he used for the turkey's hooks.

1747
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fishhooks. Oh actual, the guy used fishhooks for

1748
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: the turkey spurs, which is great, just goes right to

1749
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:45,759
Speaker 1: the spurs man and then put it on a steak

1750
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: and put it outside and used his and it's natural environ.

1751
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: There's another photo that there's another photo that I will

1752
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: send you that he did it with like beside a

1753
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,640
Speaker 1: white claw with some toilet paper. It's very relevant for

1754
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: the time time we're in uh so this that was

1755
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: Alec he was he's been the leader in the clubhouse

1756
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 1: for at least two or three days here since he

1757
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 1: sent that to us. But I think that that picture

1758
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: of with my face on it, the one we were

1759
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: just talking about that's going in the studio, is kind

1760
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 1: of like I never thought this, this Alex's creation would

1761
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: be the throne, but that that other one, it's pretty close.

1762
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: The man is you know how there's two called unknown

1763
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 1: one Oh no, there's un sorry unknown and one yep, yep.

1764
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 1: Unknown one is the hand drawing and it's the hand

1765
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 1: drawings are set in the natural environment and we're a

1766
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: weird stylistic decision was to paste the turkey's over deer

1767
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: so that you can still see the deer's feet sticking out,

1768
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: which I don't know if I agree with. Yeah, I

1769
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: didn't see that till it's good. It's good that you

1770
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 1: as are here with those eyes that I had been looking.

1771
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 1: I just giggle it like the faces because I have

1772
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: a child's mind. But that's a good that's a good point.

1773
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: They must have just glued them or taped them onto

1774
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,719
Speaker 1: a picture of some deer standing out in the yard,

1775
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 1: standing out of the yard, hanging out together. Oh yeah,

1776
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: they do. Um if you look at the other one

1777
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about yet, But hold on, I

1778
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 1: have one quick question. What's up with the gobblers? What's

1779
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 1: on his wing there? That looks like a target? I

1780
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I have to go back and look at

1781
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: the email I got, but that this was a father

1782
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: and his two kids that did this. So that was

1783
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: the father, and then the other two turkeys are from

1784
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 1: his kids. Um, I have to go back and look

1785
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 1: exactly if he explained what's going on there? I do

1786
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: not know. But it looks like a valve of some

1787
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 1: sort I'm not real sure, or some sort of tattoo.

1788
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. So yeah, so go to two oh

1789
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 1: two zero zero three to four. Well named again, what

1790
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 1: are you thinking about this one? This is a female

1791
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: listener sent this and it's got it's it's it's definitely

1792
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 1: a hand. Yes, yeah, I like it. It's a little

1793
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: I like it. It's a little more abstract. Um, it's

1794
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:18,640
Speaker 1: a little more um. I don't know which. Could you

1795
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: use it like like impressionistic? Maybe it's like a watercolor painting.

1796
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 1: It's got like pink mountains in the background. Those are

1797
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 1: those are oils? Oil? That's oil? Maybe it is watercolor.

1798
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me look closer. It's beautiful. It's

1799
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: got a certain, a certain thing going on. Are you

1800
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 1: looking at the painting title to zero two zero, zero,

1801
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 1: three to four, dash, etcetera. Yes, yes, that's when we're

1802
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: looking at Yeah. Well I like it. Uh, I liked it.

1803
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:57,799
Speaker 1: The hand that it was based off is in the picture.

1804
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 1: But I like the label. But but no, it doesn't

1805
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: replace the winner in my mind. All right, perfect, Well,

1806
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: everybody out there, we had a goal, Steve, of trying

1807
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: to get a thousand hand turkeys. Uh, in this contest,

1808
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 1: we have a lot. I don't know if we're gonna

1809
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: do a thousand, but we got hundreds of them. D

1810
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: of them? Oh for sure. Yeah, no, we've got I

1811
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,720
Speaker 1: got piles and piles of emails with hand turkeys. I

1812
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 1: haven't even I don't even think I've been able to

1813
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: look at them all. But these are ones that stood out.

1814
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,680
Speaker 1: So we have till Tuesday. All you people out there

1815
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: have till Tuesday today. I think it's where you're here

1816
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 1: listening to this on Thursday. So you have until this

1817
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 1: going Tuesday to get your submissions in. But as Steve

1818
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 1: maybe can tell, you've got some rough competition. We've got

1819
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 1: some talented people out there. Yeah, don't don't dissuade people.

1820
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 1: I would say, like, it's still up in the air,

1821
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, still up in

1822
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 1: the air. You could be the winner. You could be

1823
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: the winner of a first light jacket. Here's what we're

1824
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna do, Steve, see you like this. We gotta we're

1825
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna get a first leg jacket and screen print the

1826
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: turkey drawing really big on the back, like you know

1827
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 1: Rocky had the letter Jack with the tea. That's what

1828
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. That's what we're gonna do. So all right, boys, Well,

1829
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see you in the office at some point

1830
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: before spring is over. Dude, I want to get back

1831
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: in there so bad I I can't. I love my family,

1832
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: I love my home, and I love going outside. I

1833
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 1: love some level of freedom that this provides. But it

1834
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: would be a joy to see you fellas and give

1835
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: you a long, deep, uncomfortable hug. I was telling everybody

1836
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 1: the other day, man, I walk around, Uh I think

1837
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: it was poison. Was it poison? I don't know what

1838
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 1: you got, dude, it's got no captain and Tanil. You're

1839
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: saying that song, No, I don't know. That's not my game.

1840
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: I can pick out some upside down spurs, but not

1841
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 1: songs um not not like yeah whatever, anyways, you know

1842
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: the song. Pretty soon here, we're gonna have to have

1843
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: like a a get you know how you see the

1844
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:15,640
Speaker 1: pictures of like the Dad's the neighborhoods standing in a

1845
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: circle all ten feet apart drinking beer. We're gonna have

1846
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 1: to do something like that where we shoot bows and

1847
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: stand ten a feed apart. That's right, that's right. Yeah,

1848
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 1: I know, man, I gotta get over my like actual

1849
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: because like I'm gonna situation different program. Well I am,

1850
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 1: because you know, like the governor your state says, hey,

1851
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 1: stand down for two weeks. It's kind of you know,

1852
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: there's like the auta, but then there's also what kind

1853
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 1: of citizens are you? You know? So yeah, I gotta

1854
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 1: I got another week of this like hardcore stuff, and

1855
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: then we'll see Yeah, it's a good time for civic

1856
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: responsibility to be the thing that we all kind of

1857
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: that guides us along in our daily thoughts for sure. Yeah,

1858
01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot of that. It's a lot

1859
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: of like you could aim it out in your head

1860
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and be like, wow, really what are the chances, But

1861
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: you could also just be like be cooperative. Yeah, that's

1862
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 1: the best thing to do, all right. Well, thanks for

1863
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 1: telling dear stories. Appreciate it. Yeah, man, talk to you soon. Thanks.

1864
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all. Another episode in the books. It

1865
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 1: was a good one. It was good to get back

1866
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 1: together with my friends and co workers there that I

1867
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 1: don't get to see. Um. It's good to see him

1868
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:39,600
Speaker 1: and it's good distraction from daily life. So thanks to

1869
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,719
Speaker 1: Steve Ornella and Yani Tells for jumping on talking about

1870
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:46,640
Speaker 1: who's deer Um. Now, Phil, we have to make the

1871
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 1: great transition to something very important, okay, and that is

1872
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: tomorrow's review of The Tiger King. Have you made it

1873
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:03,160
Speaker 1: all the way through? Uh, I'm more than halfway through,

1874
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: so I've got a lot of I've got a lot

1875
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: of viewing tonight and tomorrow morning. But well I've got

1876
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 1: three episodes. Laugh. That's not that's not too bad. No,

1877
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,960
Speaker 1: And really most of the most of the important points

1878
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: are within the first couple of episodes, the most of

1879
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 1: the craziness, and it just it just keeps kind of

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Speaker 1: cascading into darkness from there. But if you guys haven't

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Speaker 1: been listening and you don't know about Netflix's documentary Tiger King,

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Speaker 1: We're going to give you another day to go to

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Speaker 1: Netflix and watch what essentially I think it's six six

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Speaker 1: or seven episodes, seven seven hours of pure mind bending

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Speaker 1: oddities that you'll never see in your life. We are

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to explain it. I feel unworthy,

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Speaker 1: but I'm I'm going to watch the whole thing again,

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Speaker 1: make a bunch of notes, and we are going to

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Speaker 1: have any racer r VP of production, Phil's boss and

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Speaker 1: Seth the flip flop Flesher Morris on the show tomorrow

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Speaker 1: with Phil. We're gonna we're gonna do a happy hour.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna actually record it it happy hour. We're all

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Speaker 1: gonna have our separate beverages. I'm gonna really push that

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Speaker 1: everybody drink heavily. I would like this podcast to devolve

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Speaker 1: and be both a recap of Tiger King, but also

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Speaker 1: away for us to completely let off all the steam

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Speaker 1: that we've built up over these last two weeks of quarantine.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be just hopefully a wild drunken

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Speaker 1: recap of the wildest show ever made. You're you're ready? Phil? Uh? Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. Part of me wants to talk about

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Speaker 1: stuff right now, but I don't think I should. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait. I can't I have been having to bat

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Speaker 1: people off with a stick that wanted to be a

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Speaker 1: part of this podcast. Phil. If we were able to

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01:47:56,680 --> 01:48:00,040
Speaker 1: get sixteen people on squadcast, we could have absolutely done it.

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Speaker 1: When I told people we're doing a review, pretty much

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Speaker 1: everybody a meat eater, Andy and many people that don't

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Speaker 1: work a meetater wanted to be on to discuss this

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01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:11,600
Speaker 1: because it is like the thing captivating everyone and you

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Speaker 1: will find out tomorrow why it's captivated us. But it is, um,

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Speaker 1: it is amazing. There's nothing really else to be said, Phil. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm really looking forward to it, to finishing the

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Speaker 1: show and talking about it, and I feel privileged to

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Speaker 1: be included into in this very intimate drunken podcast. Oh

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Speaker 1: I am gonna get ripped roarings drunk tomorrow. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just let it all out. And I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: appropriate given the times that we're in right now. We

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Speaker 1: just needed some time to release and let go and

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Speaker 1: have a good time and talk about meaningless documentaries. So

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Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do. So join us tomorrow, Phil

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Speaker 1: for that beautiful, beautiful Tiger King Joe Exotic five The

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Speaker 1: Hunting Collective with Ben O'Brien is a part of the

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater pod cast network. It is produced by Karine

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Speaker 1: Schneider and engineered by Phil Taylor. You can find it

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Speaker 1: on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, the meat eater dot Com, or anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts are downloadable wherever you listen, leave a five star

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Speaker 1: review and subscribe. Oh god, Phil, Oh boy, what a

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Speaker 1: day around here. I just I can't. I'm losing it.

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Speaker 1: If I have to get on another Skype conference called

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Speaker 1: Zoom Skype Squadcast, whatever the fuck I'm gonna lose my mind. Uh,

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Speaker 1: please help me, save me, give me some counsel. Um,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, you've been you've been doing great.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to give you counsel. I just want

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Speaker 1: to give you words of encouragement. Um, you've you've been

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Speaker 1: scheduling everything and uh emailing people. I just come in

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Speaker 1: here and I put on the headphones and I make

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Speaker 1: sure everything sounds great, give you the thumbs up, and

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Speaker 1: I walk out of the room. That's right, I'm back.

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Speaker 1: I'm rising like a phoenix. And backfill