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Speaker 1: but John Schneider is gonna win. Okay, He's gonna win

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Speaker 1: that's fine. I get it. You forget about him sometimes.

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Speaker 2: I got you. I got whatever he's saying about it.

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Speaker 1: That's fine.

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Speaker 3: What is that pen?

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Speaker 1: Pen? Is that like that? Like a small pan?

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Speaker 2: A lot before you even talk. I brought this up

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Speaker 2: and you had to run your mouth. And that's what

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know what you know. What

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Speaker 1: behind this you were preaching out all.

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Speaker 2: These people young. That's today. That's my only vote this year.

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Speaker 1: Null and void, Ken, null and void.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you're in the middle of this. You can

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Speaker 2: on ale mander aj. Now you got to click on something,

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Speaker 2: read something to figure this out.

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Speaker 1: Here you go, Ken, ready, I'm sorry, Ken, I'm happy

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Speaker 1: for Steven. Vote again. You'll think that Ken had some

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Speaker 2: Yes, I understand over the years how guys think and

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Speaker 4: Right, age, I have to side with Ken on this,

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Speaker 4: having been towards vote a few times as well. It's

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Speaker 4: That's not quite what people seem to think. But with that, Ken, obviously,

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Speaker 4: first of all, thank you so much for joining us

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Speaker 4: preliminary meeting on labor. With the expiration of the CBA

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Speaker 2: Of it, Kyle, I don't know that I can tell

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Speaker 2: determine that because of the nature of these negotiations in

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Speaker 2: But at least there is some conversation. Now. I was

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Speaker 2: We all know what's coming. A lockout is coming, a

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Speaker 1: Ken. Come on, Ken, you know they're gonna drag this out.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna get it done, gonna they're gonna drag

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Speaker 1: You could have just squeezed through the keyhole and sat

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Speaker 2: A great point, and I wish I had been at

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Speaker 2: So I snuck into this meeting and I was successful

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Speaker 3: Are there because of the contentious negotiations and like kind

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Speaker 3: chance that some of these meetings have to be held

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Speaker 3: they don't have to have any kind of fair. I'm

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Speaker 3: here's our offer, and then part of fair negotiating, you're

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Speaker 3: So is there anything like that that has to happen

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Speaker 2: No, And what you're referring to, I think eric is

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Speaker 2: here I don't necessarily expected. But you don't have an

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Speaker 2: KEN.

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Speaker 4: In terms of on the field, the Texas Rangers are

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Speaker 4: one of the more interesting teams this offseason. Of course,

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Speaker 4: we saw them win their first World Series in franchise

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Speaker 4: This is just an interesting team to kind of figure

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Speaker 2: First of all, Kyli agree with you. They are quite

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Speaker 2: Perhaps the results of the luxury tax payrolls will influence

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Speaker 2: So that's one thing that's going on. But they are

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Speaker 2: by non tendering one or long shot both, you would

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Speaker 1: the Rangers know what they're gonna do. They know who

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Speaker 1: The Twins know what they need. They traded their whole

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Speaker 3: Do you believe, then, when these teams say it, because

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Speaker 1: Know how to get under the budget.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I wrote about this yesterday and I've heard consistently

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. Last year, Kyle, he earned fifteen

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Speaker 1: We will see what happened san Diego. Can Kyle Glazer

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Speaker 4: We will see what happens.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us, and everyone, please

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Speaker 2: Camp.

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Speaker 4: All right, guys, so yesterday Ben Charrington spoke to reporters

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Speaker 4: and let everyone know that Paul Schemes will not be trained.

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Speaker 4: He will be a member of the Pittsburgh Pirates in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. This is something that I think realistical.

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Speaker 4: We all knew, but people like to talk about it,

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Speaker 1: I think he will eventually get traded because he's gonna

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Speaker 1: Ben Chington.

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Speaker 4: Ben Ben Charrington's response. Officially, you know, the question gets asked.

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Speaker 4: It's always respectful. Teams have to ask the question, right.

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Speaker 4: I suspect that won't end. But the answer has been

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Speaker 4: It's not like if they don't trade him now, they're

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Speaker 1: This is the love that was funny Kyle. Yeah, that's why.

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Speaker 3: And that's why as laughing, like like, build around him

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Speaker 1: This is how you made it to the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: So if you truly want to win, which is a

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Speaker 3: But as a front office you gotta want to win.

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Speaker 3: At some point, why not say, Okay, Paul Skeen's is

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Speaker 3: gonna cost us ten Linsicum type of money and arbitration

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Speaker 3: because nobody's done what Paul Skeens is done besides linccom.

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Speaker 3: I think he had two syms before his arbitration, and

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Speaker 3: I think he signed for two forty million. Well you

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Speaker 3: know that ain't happening. So to me, Paul Skeens should

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Speaker 3: not be a Pirate after this season. Pirate fans might

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Speaker 3: get pissed at me, but I see it as if

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Speaker 3: I'm Ben Charrington, I want to say, what will put

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Speaker 3: us in the driver's seat to be in the playoffs

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Speaker 3: without ever getting any free agents. And to me, if

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Speaker 3: Juan Soto got a James Wood cj Abrams, Mackenzie Gore,

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Speaker 3: I forget Robert Haslin. I think he was the other

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Speaker 3: one in that deal, four of their current big leaguers.

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Speaker 3: Then what can the Pirates get for Paul Skeens if

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Speaker 3: they trade him after this next season because they don't

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Speaker 3: want to pay his arbitration money. Even if it is arbitration,

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Speaker 3: there's no good one year deal for the Pirates if

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Speaker 3: it's over ten million, and Paul Skeens is gonna get

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Speaker 3: a ton of money. So think outside the box. From

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Speaker 3: you're Sharrington, they're gonna fire you soon anyway because they

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Speaker 3: don't want to spend money and that's tough to win.

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Speaker 3: So do something outside the box.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of Paul Skins' future, again, ben Cherrington's

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Speaker 4: saying that they will not.

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Speaker 1: Ben Rington doesn't want to. Ben Cherrington doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: be the guy that traded Paul Skeins because you know

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Speaker 1: what what happened to hein blue Heim Balloon's legacy. I

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Speaker 1: even know a lot of these guys are Heine Bloom

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Speaker 1: draft picks that are there now. He's the guy that

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Speaker 1: traded Mookie Bets. I understand that. But people don't look

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Speaker 1: at him blue and say, man, he drafted Anthony Meyern

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Speaker 1: Campbell and all these other guys. They're like, Oh, he's

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Speaker 1: the guy that traded Mookie Bets for Jeter Downs and

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Speaker 1: Connor Wong and whoever the heck else they got for him. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's the legacy, and that's for Ben Cherrington. If he's

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Speaker 1: the guy that has to trade Paul Skeins and all

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Speaker 1: the players he get back don't hit, that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: his lasting legacy and he's gonna have a hard time

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Speaker 1: finding another job.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, do it.

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Speaker 4: So if and when the Pirates do decide to make

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Speaker 4: a move. There's an interesting article in NJ Advanced Media

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Speaker 4: the other day. According to a Pirates teammate who spoke anonymously,

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Speaker 4: Skens has quote no confidence the Pirates are ever going

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Speaker 4: to win end quote with him in Pittsburgh, and he's

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Speaker 4: quote hoping for a trade end quote well before he

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Speaker 4: can become a free agent after the twenty twenty nine season.

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Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 4: Trust me, he wants to play for the Yankees. The

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Speaker 4: Skins teammates said I've heard him say it multiple times.

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Speaker 4: When asked, Ben Sherrington responded, I do dismiss it, but

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Speaker 4: I understand it. What we're going to focus on is

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Speaker 4: just how do we win games with him in a

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Speaker 4: Pirate's uniform? Future Paul Skins with the New York Yankees? Eric,

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Speaker 4: what do you think?

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Speaker 1: I mean New York Yankees.

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Speaker 3: They're like, yes, please, we'll take it. We would definitely

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Speaker 3: take of Paul Skins as with all twenty eight other teams,

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Speaker 3: because the Pirates have him right now. And for him

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Speaker 3: to say that to it from an anonymous source, I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying it's a lie that this person said it,

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Speaker 3: but you know, what was the context? Where would you

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Speaker 3: like to Where would you like to play? I want

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Speaker 3: to play somewhere where I'm freaking in the playoffs every

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Speaker 3: single year? And as a baseball don't you want Paul

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Speaker 3: Skins in the playoffs every year? Don't we want Mike

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Speaker 3: Trout in the playoffs every year? Like you talk about

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Speaker 3: wasting years of a player's career, He's gonna win another

504
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Speaker 3: Cy young and he's not sniffing the playoffs after May?

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Speaker 3: How is that? How is that good for baseball? It's

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Speaker 3: not So Paul Skeins is just saying the same thing

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Speaker 3: that every other that every other fan is saying. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that some fans that are like, well I

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Speaker 3: don't want to see him go to the Yankees, Well,

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Speaker 3: you don't have a choice. The Yankees would sell the farm.

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Speaker 3: I talked to a scout that said, how hard would

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Speaker 3: it be? It would not be hard for a team

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Speaker 3: to trade for Paul Skins. It's hard for the Pirates

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Speaker 3: to trade Paul Skins because how do you even put

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Speaker 3: a value on what you're getting back? Like, and who's

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Speaker 3: to say, Like AJ said that each of those guys

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Speaker 3: is gonna hit, not just not just hitters but pitchers too,

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Speaker 3: who's to say each of those guys is going to

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Speaker 3: be a big league player. But yes, the Yankees would

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Speaker 3: love it. Yes, he would it because he wants to

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Speaker 3: be in the playoffs. You can see it, like sometimes

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Speaker 3: he comes off the field and he's like looking.

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Speaker 1: Around, like, man, I would love to be winning this game.

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Speaker 3: But again, eleven runs in his ten in his ten losses, Like,

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Speaker 3: you're not You're not set up to win. Imagine what

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Speaker 3: this guy could do if he was put in a

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Speaker 3: situation where hey, we need you to go seven tonight.

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Speaker 3: Why oh, because we got to get the dub this.

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Speaker 3: He's built for this.

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Speaker 1: I mean I played with Mark Burley. I played with

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Speaker 1: Mark Burley, right, he was he was always mister Cardinal.

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Speaker 1: I want to play for the Cardinals. I want to

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Speaker 1: play for the Cardinals. He never went to the Cardinals

534
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Speaker 1: like I was. I was a Braves fan growing up, right.

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Speaker 1: I finally got to play the Braves when I was

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Speaker 1: a free agent at the end of my career, and

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Speaker 1: they were dog crap, right, But I got to go

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Speaker 1: there and play there and it was awesome. But just

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Speaker 1: because like guys talk about this all the time, I

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Speaker 1: want to go here. I want to play here. I

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Speaker 1: want to But it doesn't always work unless you're a

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Speaker 1: free agent and they give you the best money. But

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Speaker 1: for someone like Skiens, he might not get to where

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Speaker 1: he goes until he becomes a free agent. So this

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Speaker 1: is just again who said it? You know, you put

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Speaker 1: your name on it.

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Speaker 4: One of the things with Skemes is he is not

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Speaker 4: the biggest personality. Right, He's pretty bland. There's not a

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Speaker 4: whole lot he's gonna say that's controversial, And we had

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Speaker 4: seen that type of personality really thrive with the New

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Speaker 4: York Yankees. You look at a Derek Jeter, you look

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Speaker 4: at an Aaron Judge, Eric, what do you think about

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Speaker 4: just his personality and how it would play in the

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Speaker 4: Big Apple. Because we know that talent's a big part

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Speaker 4: of it, but playing for the Yankees, it's a whole

556
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Speaker 4: different ballgame, and who you are as a person plays

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Speaker 4: a big, big role in how you're treated, both by

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Speaker 4: the fans on the media.

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Speaker 3: Hey, dude, plenty fine he gives. I mean when we

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Speaker 3: talked to him, I thought he was I thought he

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Speaker 3: was very personable. You know, he puts off this like

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Speaker 3: quiet persona. But when he was on our show, we

563
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: had a good time. He seemed to loosen up. But look,

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Speaker 3: if he was in the Big Apple right now, with

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Speaker 3: the career that he's had, there is nothing they could say,

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Speaker 3: There is no they would they will love this man

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Speaker 3: as long as he does well. There's there are no

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Speaker 3: players that do really well in the Big Apple that

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Speaker 3: fans are like, yeah, this guy's a bomb, Like yeah,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Judge becomes a bum in the playoffs because the

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Speaker 3: fans are like, yeah, you always got a hit in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: They're never pleased.

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Speaker 3: Paul Skeens has never had He hasn't had a blip

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Speaker 3: in the radar, so there's nothing for them to not

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Speaker 3: be pleased about. But I think it's to me as

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Speaker 3: demeanor looks. See it looks and seems obviously don't know

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Speaker 3: the guy, but it looks and seems like he would.

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Speaker 1: He would thrive, there.

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Speaker 2: No question about it.

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Speaker 4: long time Major League infielder who tried to convert to

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Speaker 4: a two way player, mounts his retirement today after seven

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Speaker 4: seasons in the Majors. Had a few very very productive

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Speaker 4: years with the Angels. Looked like he could have been

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Speaker 4: a long term piece for them. Ultimately just wasn't able

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Speaker 4: to sustain it. I did think it was interesting he

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Speaker 4: tried to reinvent himself as a knuckleballer and a two

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Speaker 4: way player. Clearly didn't quite work out, but again, all

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Speaker 4: in all, play seven seasons in the big leagues. That's

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Speaker 4: a career to be proud of.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on a great career. You gave it everything you had.

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Speaker 1: He even tried to be a knuckleballer. It's not as

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Speaker 1: easy as people think. But congratulations on a great career.

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Speaker 3: I mean, cool, one hundred and one innings, eighteen starts

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Speaker 3: in the bushes. I mean he was throwing a knuckle

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Speaker 3: puck up there. So I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I like, obviously somebody that bounced around from Triple A

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Speaker 3: to the big leagues to go back to be a

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Speaker 3: starting pitcher, and then you're like, hey, we need you

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Speaker 3: to go back to High A to start pitching and

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Speaker 3: learning pitching again. I'd be like, maybe I don't want

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Speaker 3: to go to pitching again.

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Speaker 4: Since both you guys were catchers, Eric, I want to

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Speaker 4: start with you. Is there a place for knuckleballers in

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Speaker 4: today's game with the emphasis on velocity.

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Speaker 3: If you get out, you get out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if your ball avoids hard contact one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: there is a place for you. You don't have to throw

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Speaker 1: There's a dude on Twitter the other day. I think

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Speaker 1: he threw his knuckleball like eighty nine miles an hour.

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Speaker 1: We don't need that. We don't need somebody throwing the

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Speaker 1: ball that hard like you're gonna hurt a catcher. Just

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Speaker 1: get that knuckle pup moving.

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Speaker 4: That's it, guys, A legend is being replaced. The Freeze

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Speaker 4: is going to have a new man behind the mask

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Speaker 4: in Atlanta a J. I want to ask you during

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Speaker 4: your tenure with the Braves, did you ever meet the Freeze?

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Speaker 4: Did you have any interactions with Oh?

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Speaker 1: Because he wasn't there because it was they weren't in

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Speaker 1: the new stadium, so they didn't have the Freeze. All

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Speaker 1: they had was the tool race. And if you haven't

652
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Speaker 1: seen the video of me dominating the tools and letting

653
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Speaker 1: two bit the drill win, you should google it because

654
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: it's amazing when I tackled Hammering and the rest of them.

655
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Speaker 1: So he was not there, But I'm mad he was

656
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Speaker 1: not there because I would have liked to have watched

657
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Speaker 1: these people try and fail miserably to beat him. And

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Speaker 1: it's a sad day. If they can't find a new Freeze,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do something.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: People keep saying that I should do that. Nobody likes running,

662
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: even people that run, they don't like running. They're lying.

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Speaker 1: They're lying to you saying they like running. Nobody likes running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The list of requirements is interesting. On the job description.

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Speaker 4: Must be physically fit and in good health to endure

667
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: conditions including extreme high and low temperatures. Must be able

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Speaker 4: to run during the racetrack, beat the freeze on field promotion.

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Speaker 4: Previous mascot or athletic experience preferred, but not acquired. Rely

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00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: to interact with large crowds, families and children. It's a

671
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: pretty long job description with Look, this is something where

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Speaker 4: it's not just going to be hey, an Olympic sprinter.

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Speaker 1: They want a lot yeah, and then they want a

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Speaker 1: lot of time and you have to be there and

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Speaker 1: you have to wear those tights too. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I could pull off the tights. The tights would

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Speaker 1: be a problem, especially if it's cold. Man. I don't

678
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Speaker 1: want to be out there running running tights and tights only.

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Speaker 4: All right, guys. One of your fellow brethren, catcher Austin Nola,

680
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Speaker 4: signed a minor league contract this winter with the Braves,

681
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Speaker 4: but he's actually been granted his release to become the

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Speaker 4: Mariners new bullpen coach. Ah, I'll start with you in

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Speaker 4: this transition from behind the plate to a bullpen coach.

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Speaker 2: What do you see?

685
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Speaker 4: What are the challenges, and just what do you make

686
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Speaker 4: of this news?

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Speaker 1: Great for Austin Nola. I mean, he probably wasn't gonna

688
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Speaker 1: make the Braves out of spring training, so you know

689
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Speaker 1: what he gets, he gets a guaranteed big league job.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be on the pension

691
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but I think this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Good for him. He played there, he played in Seattle,

693
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Speaker 1: so they know him. I think they like him, and

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Speaker 1: I think bullpen coach is the one job Cratzy that

695
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: is great. You know why, because they never fire the

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Speaker 1: bullpen coach. Bullpen coaches last forever if you're good at it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had Rick stell Mazic in Minnesota. He

698
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Speaker 1: was there for like forty five years. He was there forever.

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Speaker 1: And bullpen coaches they don't ever get fired. They just

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stand there with my clipboard and tell

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Speaker 1: whoever's coming andres munios when you come in. Though, that's

702
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Speaker 1: that Nobody can hit. Look how good I am.

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Speaker 3: And look at the last bullpen coach that got hired

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Speaker 3: out of Seattle, Steven Vote. He's now back to back

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Speaker 3: manager of the Year, So there's something in there. I

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Speaker 3: saw Austin last year in Boston and it was a

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Speaker 3: grind for him. He dealt with playing, he dealt with

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Speaker 3: concussions and it kind of got him out of the game.

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Speaker 3: He was like, you know, I was playing, I was

710
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Speaker 3: playing through these concussion symptoms and the sort of finally

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Speaker 3: get back to the big leagues last year. This is

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Speaker 3: this is awesome. We'll go from playing essentially in the

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Speaker 3: bushes to now coaching in the big leagues.

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Speaker 2: Sweet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And also know why I got to cover him a

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00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: lot when he was in San Diego and one of

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Speaker 4: those guys that you could tell had to coaching future,

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Speaker 4: very very bright, natural leader all the way around. And

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Speaker 4: like you said, Ed Jay, bullpen coaches is a pretty

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Speaker 4: sweet gig. We just saw, you know, Ben Fritz got

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Speaker 4: a multi year extension from the Padres And again it's

723
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Speaker 4: a job that you rarely get fired, but sometimes you

724
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Speaker 4: can get that nice extension.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And does anybody know who most bullpen coaches are?

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00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: Does does anybody really pay attention to All they know is, Hey,

727
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Speaker 1: there's this guy that's standing there with the clipboard next

728
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Speaker 1: to the guy warming up, but he's just like, who

729
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: knows what he's saying. They can be talking about dinner, resort. Look,

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Speaker 1: I got reservations for the next road trip lined up.

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Speaker 1: You want to see him? Maybe we can go together, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and they usually can throw BP. I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: Austin Olla cold throw some VP. They a lot of

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Speaker 1: bullpen coaches sometimes have to rub the balls up before, so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have duties, but kind of like the

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Speaker 1: assistant pitching coach a little bit too