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Speaker 2: You, Millie. I'm good. That was an exciting intro. Case

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Speaker 2: my previous podcast Pal But yes, doing great. I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited to talk about the movie we're discussing today, and

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Speaker 2: just everything surrounding this episode is like, it's just this

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to talk about this because as a

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Speaker 1: This movie we want to talk about Aaron Barakovic, Steven

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Speaker 1: Soderberg's Aaron Barakovich from obviously the year two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I came out on March fourteenth two, What does this

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Speaker 1: Really we really typed it. We were like, you know,

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Speaker 1: We're going to also just talk about, you know, Steven

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Speaker 2: this is huge. We're doing another segment of My Area

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Speaker 1: Right, And if you didn't know, they did the theme

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Speaker 1: and family for us. So well, stay tuned, everybody, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a great episode. You are listening to Dear Movies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Deer Movies.

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 1: I am one of your hosts, Millie to Cherico.

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Speaker 2: I am your other host, Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: And this is a podcast for people who are in

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Speaker 1: a very very deep, long term LTR with film, sexual, sexual, emotional, spiritual.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think this episode is going to be

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Speaker 1: We have a good topic to talk about. It's probably

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Speaker 2: Talk about this a few weeks or most, but I

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Speaker 1: That's a thousand year old paper being show thumbed through.

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Speaker 1: I watched for first time. Watch, dude, I watched Blade, Blade.

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Speaker 2: It's really well acted, and there are things I really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now this movie, I feel like everyone's like the

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Speaker 2: Aaron Brockovic, Steven Soderberg, Like you said, it's the twenty

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is a stupid thing to say, but when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, reminiscing. So give us like a rundown of what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna get in. Don't worry, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to also say ed ed Masury is

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about Julia Roberts? What's your relationship

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Speaker 1: Okay, first, what you know that Julia Roberts is literally

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's from Smyrna. That's like up the road from me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought you were gonna pull a knife on

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Speaker 1: Well, that is stupid because you sat in front of

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Speaker 2: don't know, I thought that was like a very sweet sentiment.

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Speaker 2: And you don't really hear like that high profile of

434
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: a celebrity talk about social media or like interacting with

435
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: social media. So I found it very refreshing and it

436
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: made me like her even more.

437
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, she's totally likable. And maybe I'm saying,

438
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: maybe I'm making the equation that because she is from Georgia,

439
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: she's likable or something like where I'm like, oh, she's

440
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: from the South, Like she just seems kind of like yeah,

441
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, like how crazy can you actually be? I mean,

442
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: you could be Southern crazy, which we all are, but

443
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: it's also like you can't. There's always going to be

444
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: some sort of route that's down in the ground. I

445
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: feel like if you're from the South. And I think

446
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: that about a lot of Southern celebrities, by the way,

447
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: not just her. I think most people who are famous

448
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: who are from the South have, like I said, a

449
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: route or two down in the ground. All of this

450
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: is to say, like her, I got to tell you

451
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: about Aaron Brockvich. Generally, Aaron Brockovich to me seems like

452
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: a movie that is as a Julia Roberts movie is

453
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: the one that brings the folks together in my life.

454
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: But I think even beyond, like everybody likes Aaron Brockovich,

455
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: like people of all different stations in life, right, Like

456
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who you are, Like most people can

457
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: come together on the fact that they think that Aaron

458
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Brockvich is a good movie.

459
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: I feel like, I don't know if you think that's well,

460
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: I think that is true because you know, like, and

461
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: this is not to disparage any of these movies, Like

462
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: these are movies I like, like Notting Hill, my best

463
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: Friend's Wedding, and Julia Roberts is very funny and charming

464
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: in those movies. But I think what happens with those movies,

465
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: which happens a lot, is like they're kind of labeled

466
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: as women's movies, you know. And so I feel like

467
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Brockovich though, is like utilizing the charm and sas

468
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 2: that she has in those movies and portrayed in those movies,

469
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: but is elevating it slightly to a like Oscar nominated film,

470
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: you know. And so I think it it allows there

471
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: to be a larger audience of people who would gravitate

472
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: towards that movie that maybe they didn't like, wouldn't gravitate

473
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: towards like Mystic Pizza or like, yeah, my best Friend's wedding,

474
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but this movie is you know, speaking

475
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: of the Oscars, you know, it's fun that Anora just

476
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 2: won because not that Aaron Brockovic is similar to Anora

477
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: in any way, but they're both human movies with comedy

478
00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: in them, yes, and that type of movie I just

479
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: feel like we aren't getting enough of those now where

480
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: they're you know, like mid budget dramas that type, this

481
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: type of film, like an Aaron Brockovic is like, I

482
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: meant there, we should have like twenty of these a year.

483
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: It feels like, you know, and it just met. It

484
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: kind of made me like miss a different era of

485
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: the film industry a little bit. Yeah, so that was

486
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: That was some thoughts I had when I was watching

487
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: it this time.

488
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. I also think, if it may

489
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: be so bold, they should give an Oscar to the

490
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: best facial hair in movies.

491
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: Okay, well then I just I don't think this movie

492
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: would have won that Oscar, because.

493
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: You know won.

494
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: I when Aaron Eckert and I had not seen this

495
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: movie before. When Aaron Eckert appeared on screen, I scream

496
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: because he has like it looks like a fake goatee

497
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: on he is playing a biker Aaron Brockovic's next Doornator,

498
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: neighbor and love eventual love interest. But I was like

499
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: Aaron Eckert, he looked so like you have kind of

500
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: an idea of what Aaron Eckert looks like. You know,

501
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: he's kind of like a I don't know if preppier

502
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: or more professional business kind of looking guy.

503
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: He's craggy hot. Do you were you around when we

504
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: talked about Aaron exheart I was.

505
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: I don't know, I was there for craggy hot conversations.

506
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I was there specifically for the

507
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: Aaron Eckert conversation, but I was just like so thrown

508
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: off by his appearance. And I kept saying to my

509
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: wife Trisha while we were watching it. Every time he

510
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: was on screen, I was like, I hate the way

511
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: he looks, and it made it hard for me to because, like,

512
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: to me, Aaron Julia Roberts looks so hot in this movie.

513
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: She looks, her outfits are fabulous. I just think she

514
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: looks incredible and to have her and I think Aaron

515
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: Eckert is like a very attractive man, but the way

516
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: they styled him, I was just I was horrified beyond

517
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: comprehension and I just was like, that is the one

518
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: ding I give to this man.

519
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

520
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: There are a couple of times where do you catch

521
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: a side profile shot in him and it's like, oh,

522
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: he has his chops glued on, like they were glued

523
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: on by the makeup department, and you can totally see

524
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: the line of separation. It doesn't look natural. The rounded

525
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: edges of his fucking chops, his sideburns are insane. Yeah,

526
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: let's talk about Yes, let's talk about the man. You

527
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about, Steven.

528
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: Soderbergh direct, Let's talk about Steven Soderberg. When did you

529
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: first you know, come to understand know of the name

530
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: Steven Soderberg. Well, he directed Aaron Rokovic, obviously, but I.

531
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: Can tell you exactly when it was if you just

532
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: give me five fucking seconds to look up the actual

533
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: year that's happened, hold on, please. So, yeah, no, I

534
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: know exactly when I found out who Steven Soderberg was

535
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: because I fucking remember the year. My like, my friend

536
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: Brett Rachstraw, one of my great friends from my teen

537
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: and twenties and thirties, and I'm still friends with him,

538
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: even though we were supposed to go out to lunch

539
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: the other day and we both canceled and now we

540
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: haven't rebooked, which.

541
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Might be the end of the friendship.

542
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

543
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't say that, but I was kind of feeling it.

544
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Brett Rechstraw, my buddy, was like, dude, you gotta come

545
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: over and watch this crazy movie I saw called Schizopolis.

546
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

547
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: And it was in like nineteen ninety six when the

548
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: he said this to me. Wow, maybe nineteen ninety seven.

549
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: It might have been, but you know, but that's when

550
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: I first figured out who he was. And I was like,

551
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: this movie is so fucking crazy and weird and fun.

552
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: I have not seen Schizopolis.

553
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: What but.

554
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: I have not seen it. It's I got you. But

555
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: his breakout movie was Sex Lies and Videotape, which was

556
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: came out in nineteen eighty nine, and he won the

557
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: Palma Door at the Canned Film Festival, which is like

558
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: the highest honor a film can really get. Anora also

559
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: won the Palmador. But you know, he kind of has

560
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: to me in my mind, he has sort of two

561
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: separate careers. Sure he has like the nineties and early

562
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: two thousands when he was like, I wouldn't say like

563
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: a Hollywood director, but a lot of his movies were

564
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: nominated for Academy Awards, you know, and he did movies

565
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: like Oceans of Aaron Brockovich, Out of Sight, Traffic, and

566
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: like Traffic and Aaron Brokovic were both nominated. I believe

567
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: for Best Picture in the same year, or he was

568
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: nominated for Best Director for both of those movies in

569
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: the same year, and so he was kind of like

570
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: not a Hollywood guy, but maybe a more artsier mainstream

571
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: guy working within the Hollywood system. But then I feel

572
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: like around two thousand and five ish, he's The thing

573
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: about Steven Soderberg is that he is a innovative director

574
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: in terms of how a movie gets made and released.

575
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: He made a movie in two thousand and five called Bubble,

576
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: which I have not seen this movie, but it was

577
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: one of the first, if not the first movie that

578
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: was released in theaters and on cable on the exact

579
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: same day. So it was released for home viewing audiences

580
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: and the theater on the exact same day, which is

581
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: pretty revolutionary thinking. And then you know the development of

582
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: better digital cameras and the camera on the iPhone. He's

583
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: shot several films on an iPhone that are like excellent films,

584
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: like the movie Unsane or twenty nineteen's High Flying Bird.

585
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: All those are excellent movies and he shot them on

586
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: an iPhone. But like movies like Magic Mike, he shot himself.

587
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: He was the camera operator, cinematographer, and like he just

588
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like he needs those. He just kind of

589
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: breaks down film to its barest parts, you know, And yeah,

590
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 2: he's kind of a wild man. Am I missing anything

591
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: that describes who he is as a person.

592
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I think he did a great job. I So my

593
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: kind of entry to him was because he was like

594
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: an out of Sight came out in nineteen ninety eight.

595
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: That was I was in film school, and every everybody

596
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: was talking about it. Everybody was talking about as Yeah,

597
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: everybody was like, oh my god, it's sexy, it's cool,

598
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: it's George Plinny and Jennifer Lopez.

599
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: What year did that come out? Nineteen ninety eight, ninety eight,

600
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: eight ninety eight, Okay, And so.

601
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: I was so this was like to me, I had

602
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: always assumed And because I think with sexist and videotape

603
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: and because of Schitzopolis, I kind of saw him as

604
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: like an indie director right in a weird way. Sure,

605
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: And even though as the as the nineties were on

606
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: and obviously in the two thousands, he became more of

607
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, he was doing a lot more commercial stuff.

608
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: And then by the time like Ocean's Eleven came out,

609
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, whoa like this guy that

610
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: I saw as like a film school league kind of

611
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: name is now directing this like ensemble cast of extremely

612
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: famous people, and what do I think about that? But

613
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing about the Oceans eleven movies, and I

614
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: will I defend the Oceans eleven movies. I think they're

615
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: fucking really entertaining.

616
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: You don't have to defend them against me. MILLI I

617
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: love Sar.

618
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: I figured we were gonna be simpotico about the Oceans

619
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: eleven movies.

620
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: Especially the first one I adore. But I liked all

621
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: I eleven, twelve, and thirteen.

622
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought they were great, and like, you know, theoretically,

623
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: I was definitely my shithead phase, as we call we

624
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: call our shithead phase, Like what your film school annoying asshole?

625
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you don't like anything mainstream if it has

626
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: anything a whiff of you know, commercialness to it, we

627
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: hate it.

628
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: You're like two based for like rom comms, and you're

629
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: watching like, yeah, you know, Solo and Cannibal Apocalypse and

630
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, just.

631
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: Like Cannibal Holocaust. Yeah yeah, difficult. Phil Arthouse films are

632
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: the only movies we watch, you know.

633
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I but I I was in my shithead state,

634
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: my shithead phase, and I still was like, yo, these

635
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: Oceans alone movies fucking hit like commercial as they are

636
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: as popular as they are, I still love them even

637
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: though they are such, oh my god, such time capsules

638
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: of a look, right, because they all kind of like

639
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: smash Mouth videos and Brad Pitt's outfits, these like shiny

640
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: shark skin, silvery, I mean bomb, they're so early early

641
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: two thousands.

642
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you know, that is just quick tang

643
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: in there. That is one of the criticisms of Steven

644
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: Soderberg because he is filming his own movies. A lot

645
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: of his movies has this gold look in The Ocean's Eleven,

646
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: and you see it in like Magic Mike as well.

647
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: A lot of his movies kind of have that look,

648
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: which some people think is kind of bad and but

649
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: I think it looks cool. Ocean's eleven definitely is a

650
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: time capsule well, and like yeah, and.

651
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: Then of course he just takes these other like incredible

652
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: swings in these like really fun directions like behind the Candelabra,

653
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, what the.

654
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: Oh I forgot about behind the candle? I was, He's

655
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: incredibly prolific. I was obsessed with that.

656
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: When it came out, I was like, what a cool

657
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: thing to do between like Magic Mike and you know,

658
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: like this kind of stuff. Like I like Magic Mike

659
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: came out in twenty twelve, and Behind the Candlelober came

660
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: out at HBO in like twenty thirteen, and I was like,

661
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: this guy's my favorite dude.

662
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: Like, this guy's just making all the hits that I

663
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: like totally. So I think I think he's a really

664
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: interesting in the way that he approaches film because he's

665
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: not very precious, you know, you comparing him to someone

666
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: like David Fincher, who like directed seven in Fight Club

667
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: and stuff, who's known for being a meticulous perfectionist. Like

668
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: Steven Soderberg is not a perfectionist. He's like, okay, got it,

669
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: we're good, moving on. And they've talked about how like

670
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: with some of his movies, he'll edit while he's filming,

671
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: and the movie will be edited by the time the movie,

672
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: like the day of the movie is done filming, Like

673
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: he just knows exactly what he wants and doesn't really

674
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: worry about all the extra outside noise and just gets

675
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: down to brass tacks and he just he makes movies

676
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: at an incredible clip. There are probably like ten movies

677
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that he's made, you know, So

678
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: I find him incredibly inspiring, and I think it just

679
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: goes to show that like you can make a really

680
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: great movie with just an iPhone. Yeah, really you can.

681
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: Steven Soderberg did it several times over.

682
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey talk him out of Nora. Shaan Baker did

683
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: that too, So he did. But I want to I

684
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: want to say two things about Steven Soderberg before we

685
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: wrap this up. Number one, my favorite thing that he

686
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: does is actually when he lists out all of the movies,

687
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: TV shows and books that he consumes.

688
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: This made me like him a hundred times more. Me too,

689
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: Me too, writes down everything he has watched, include, yeah,

690
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: television shows and like consumed, like you said, books, everything.

691
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: And we aligned on several TV shows, Yeah, one of

692
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: which was Below Deck. Wed that show, I'm.

693
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: Going to be like, what are you a dumb ass?

694
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: Of course is seeing Below Deck. I'm a Bravo.

695
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: I like a Vanner Pump.

696
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: How could you not see Blow to Hell if you're

697
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: in a vander Pump? He was in the Vanner Pump too, though,

698
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: right didn't.

699
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he watches it all. Yeah,

700
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: I know. I love that He's incredible.

701
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I feel like more directors and and general famous people

702
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: should do that. Like I want to see a rolling

703
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: list of the ship that you watch and you read.

704
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: I want to know that you read.

705
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: You gotta total.

706
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: You got to tell me if you read. And not

707
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: just that, but tell me the books that you read.

708
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't care what they are, just list everything, make

709
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: a document and then publish it so we know. That's

710
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: what I want.

711
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: I think. I think that just shows how like Intelli

712
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: he is because he and confident he is, because it's like,

713
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: oh yeah, this is everything I watch and it's like

714
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: multiple seasons of Below Deck this year, and it's like

715
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: someone who is maybe self conscious about their intelligence or

716
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: how that came across as an artist, you know, wouldn't

717
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: put that out for everybody to see. But that's what

718
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: makes him so great. He's just like this is it's

719
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: you know, he's not a pretentious guy, but he's still

720
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: making incredible art every day. So there's that.

721
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: And then the second thing I will say about Steven

722
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: Soderberg is that I'm I've been friends with his brother

723
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: for like over a whoa or more what? Yeah, And

724
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think Charlie's listening. I don't.

725
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably not.

726
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: But we have never talked about that. You've never talked

727
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: about that his brother is Stephen.

728
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: Because I just.

729
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: Don't feel like I I mean, okay, let's get serious.

730
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: He probably knows that I know who he is because uh,

731
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: I fucking worked at TCM for twenty years. I worked

732
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: in the film I do a film podcast. Yeah, there's

733
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: there's an awareness. I wrote a paper about magic Mike

734
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: like he like for grad school.

735
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: He knows that I know.

736
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: Yes, he knows that I know his brother, but it's

737
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: just doesn't I don't know. I think it's me. I

738
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: think I'm the I don't want to be that fucker

739
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: that's like, oh, really, brothers this famous person because.

740
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: I like my friend.

741
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: I like my friend.

742
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. You don't want your friend under

743
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: any I want them to think, under any circumstances, are

744
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: you just friends with them because of their relation to

745
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: a movie director? Well, you know, so I can understand

746
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: why you wouldn't have brought it up before.

747
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing is that, like I was,

748
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: I would be friends with him obviously if this wasn't

749
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: the case, like I met him because he was like

750
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: dating a friend of mine, like a long long time ago,

751
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: so I met him organically here in Atlanta. So it's

752
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: that thing where I'm like, well, then you know, of course,

753
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: then there's this other thing that you got going, like

754
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: what you know, Like, sure, I know about that, but

755
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: I don't want that to be Yeah, you know.

756
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: That's not a basis for a friendship either. Oh, your

757
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: brother's cool.

758
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like the opposite is like normally

759
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: when I mean, maybe I shouldn't generalize, but do you

760
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: find that like if you have a friend who is

761
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: in the orbit of a famous person in some way,

762
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: uh huh, usually that famous person is not becomes like

763
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: not cool in some way. Like I'm like, oh, like

764
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: my friend dated whomever. I'm gonna say, like Albert Finney.

765
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: And then it's like you all the stories you would

766
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: hear is like, oh, Albert Finny like farts in the

767
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: grocery store and then walks away out of the aisle.

768
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Like it's always like a story where somebody you know

769
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: is in a vicinity of a famous person, and then

770
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: the story is like makes them look like a dumb ass,

771
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: or that makes them little hoty assle. This is the

772
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: first time, one of the only times where I'm like, oh, no,

773
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: the famous person is actually so awesome and cool and interesting.

774
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: Like yeah, you know, it's hard, you know to know.

775
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: I not want to talk about him.

776
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 2: I suppose, but I don't so interesting interesting. Well, so anyway,

777
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: I put it all out there. Now it's I'm glad.

778
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad you did. That's fascinating. I'm like mulling that over. Well,

779
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: it says here that Steven Soderberg was born in Atlanta,

780
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: So another route down. Yeah, famous person, wonderful. Well I've

781
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: said all I need to say about Steven Soderberg.

782
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said too much.

783
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: So we said too much. You've revealed once again, we

784
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: both revealed probably too much about ourselves. But that's okay, okay,

785
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: but that's it. That's our That was a little combo

786
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: about Aaron Brockovic and Steven Soderberg. Oh, Millie, we're back

787
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: again with another installment of my area of expertise. And

788
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: like we queued up at the top of the show,

789
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: we've got huge guests, huge, the best, the softiest, the best. Uh, sincerely.

790
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to geek I've

791
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: talked to them several times during this process of them

792
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: doing our theme song, and I don't want to geek

793
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: out too much. But they are sincerely one of my

794
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 2: favorite bands, and I don't think they quite get that.

795
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: And uh, they don't know.

796
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: How many times that I've personally cried to the It's

797
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: Love album.

798
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know that, and they don't get it,

799
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: and I don't want them to get it because I

800
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: would frighten them, frankly. Uh, But we have the amazing

801
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: and you know, outside they these two have like amazing

802
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: music careers outside of the Softies as well. That's like

803
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: what makes them so incredible. Yeah, but we have the

804
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: amazing Rose Melberg and Jen Spradia the Softies on to

805
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: talk about their area of expertise, and here's our little

806
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: chat with them right now.

807
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: So it is a very very very special day here

808
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: on Deer Movies. I Love You. We have been waiting

809
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: for this moment for five episodes six. We're very new

810
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: by the way, the.

811
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: Six episodes, but it feels like we've been waiting years

812
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: for this.

813
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: Well, I've been waiting actual years more on that later. Yes,

814
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: but we our guests today are just This is just

815
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: such an unreal moment for me because I've been a

816
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: fan of these gals for so so, so fucking long,

817
00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: and we asked them many many moons ago to record

818
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: the theme for our podcast and they so graciously said yes,

819
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: and it came out twenty thousand times better than I

820
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: could have ever expected it. And they're not only so

821
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: sweet for doing that, but they're just like great people,

822
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: like kindred spirits. I feel like I've been friends with

823
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: them forever and ever and ever. But our guests today

824
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: are here to talk about a very important area of

825
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 1: their expertise, which I am so excited to talk about

826
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: with them. But please welcome our guests. It's the softies,

827
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: Rose Melberg and Jens Braja.

828
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: Hi, y'all, Hello, yay, Oh my gosh, this is so thrilling.

829
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: I think you know we I've told you guys this before,

830
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: but when we were coming up with just sort of

831
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: like how we wanted this show to be, we were

832
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: talking about inspiration for kind of the vibe of how

833
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: we wanted this whole podcast to feel, and I brought

834
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: up independently, I was like, you know, I want this

835
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: to feel like the Softies, And I was like, do

836
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: you know that band? Millie? And she was looking at

837
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 2: you like I'm gonna kill you. You're a fucking idiot.

838
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: But this podcast is nearly over because you said that

839
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: to me and so but then it was like, but

840
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: it was exciting because Milly was like, yes, I absolutely

841
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: like that's exactly how I want this podcast to feel.

842
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, and you were like they've

843
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: listened to I saw what you did, and I was like,

844
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: you think they'd do the theme song? And it was like,

845
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: oh my god, wouldn't that be amazing? And then it

846
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: actually happened, and now you guys are on the show.

847
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just all incredible. It just feels so kissy.

848
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: It was such a thrill. All of it is such

849
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: a thrill.

850
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 6: We're such fans of We were such fans that I

851
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 6: saw what you did and really just the most awesome

852
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 6: gal and I can't even believe we're doing this. This

853
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 6: is a dream for us too, Like you know, we

854
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 6: we we're gen X solid gen X. So all there

855
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 6: was to do was watch movies when we were young.

856
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 6: So our relationship to movies is so kind of sacred

857
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 6: and cool and specific. So Millie and Danielle always spoke

858
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 6: to that, and here we are on this beautiful, brand

859
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 6: new podcast.

860
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: So honored, thank you so much, Oh my god.

861
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: Of course, Like, so do you do y'all do a

862
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: lot of podcasts as a band? Like do you go

863
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: on other people's podcast a lot? Or no?

864
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: Not?

865
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: Just no, very expensive.

866
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 6: We did a few interviews when the new album came out,

867
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 6: but you know, nothing that's like special interest to like

868
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 6: things that we care about, which is so cool because

869
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 6: I was talking to Jen about doing this and I

870
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 6: was like, we got to remember, this podcast is about movies,

871
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 6: not about us, so like let's talk about the movies

872
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 6: and trying to talk about ourselves too much.

873
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, movies are about us, right, so it's true.

874
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you guys kind of brought us two movies,

875
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: two different movies for your areas of expertise. Can you

876
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: tell us what those are? I mean, we've alluded to

877
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: them already. What are those movies?

878
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 6: So it was kind of cool when we were thinking about,

879
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 6: you know, what is our area of expertise? Obviously it's

880
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 6: it's these movies for us. We each have one, but

881
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 6: it's very similar in when and how we came across

882
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 6: them and the effect that they had on us. And

883
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 6: these are really like the movies that made us punks. Yes,

884
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 6: this is the movies that caused like a really fundamental

885
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 6: shift in who we were when we saw these movies.

886
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: So for me, Rose.

887
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: Radio etiquette, thank you, Thank you for.

888
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 6: The eyelists world of the internet listening. So the movie

889
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 6: is rock and roll high School, yes, sub plus a plus,

890
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 6: and the lead up.

891
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: To it is that.

892
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 6: Okay, So my relationship to punk at that time, I

893
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 6: was twelve thirteen years old around then, and my mom

894
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 6: and her friends kind of dabbled in punk, and so

895
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 6: they were also really into new waves.

896
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: So I was super into new wave. I thought like,

897
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: this is my thing.

898
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 6: But the thing that gave me a really fucked up

899
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 6: perspective on punk was that my mom made us watch

900
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 6: the movie Suburbia.

901
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: Right, original Suburbia right, yeah.

902
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, So this would have been like eighty four, and

903
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 6: we went to her friend's house and her friend had

904
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 6: rented it because back then, you'd rent a movie and

905
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 6: you'd get all your friends to come over, because you know,

906
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 6: it was complicated and expensive to rent movies and not

907
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 6: everybody had a VCR. Anyway, a bunch of us kids

908
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 6: and the adults watched this movie and I was kind

909
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 6: of scarred.

910
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, this is what punk is. So

911
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 3: I thought that's what all punks were like.

912
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 6: I thought they lived in squats, little kids were getting killed,

913
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 6: were getting shot.

914
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: Like.

915
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: I was like, this is what punk music is about.

916
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: No fix.

917
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: I'm a new waiver, so I kind of it also.

918
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: Feels very dirty. I feel like that movie feels like

919
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: it's like being a punk. You have to be disgusted

920
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: and you have to be okay with that cohabitating with

921
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: rat exactly.

922
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 6: I've never rat on my shoulder. I was like, I

923
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 6: don't want any part of that. But like my mom

924
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 6: and my sister had gone to see The Ramones, like

925
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 6: they were really into it already, but I didn't get

926
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 6: it yet.

927
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: I was very young.

928
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 6: And then we were at a babysitter's house in Nevada

929
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 6: City and she rented a VCR as one does in

930
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty four and rented a couple of movies, and

931
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 6: Rock and Roll High School was one of them.

932
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: And I.

933
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 6: It's hard to even find the words to describe what

934
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 6: happened to me. That first time that I watched it.

935
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 6: It's the first time I felt so into a band.

936
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 6: I thought my mind and body were going to explode, Like, sorry,

937
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 6: Rick Springfield's not anymore, dude.

938
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: I think it was like, this is what punk is

939
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: to me.

940
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 6: It's stupid, it's funny, it's irreverent, it's cool, it's tough,

941
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 6: and I got it.

942
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: I just it was like something clicked in me, and

943
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: I was like, this is what I want my life

944
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: to be.

945
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 6: I had a very healthy disdain for authority by this

946
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: point already, and I was like, yes, I also want

947
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 6: to blow up my school. Yes, I also want to

948
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 6: set you know, things on fire. And also I want

949
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 6: music to be my whole life and I don't care

950
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 6: about anything else, and so it spoke to that. But

951
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 6: I was so young, you know, I was just freshly thirteen.

952
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 6: So I was like, I don't even know how to

953
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 6: make sense of this. And then there was also that

954
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 6: what are these crazy feelings I'm feeling about this singer?

955
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: Like what's going on?

956
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 6: It's like Bisexual Awakening was like this, you know, seven

957
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 6: foot tall gentle giants, gentle freaky punk giant, kind of

958
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 6: ugly in the most beautiful way and like I had

959
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 6: never loved like a rock.

960
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: Star more than how I fell for Joey Ramone just.

961
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: The cool he looks like a poem.

962
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, as Rial Randall says, he looks like a poem.

963
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

964
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: I loved it like there were moones, like they were

965
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: presented as like a band to have a crush on,

966
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: like a boy band in this chool.

967
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, because when she asks when she's standing in line

968
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 6: and she's competing with Angel Dust, they're number one groupie

969
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 6: for first in line that she's even though they're fighting,

970
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 6: Angel says, so, which one do you like? Which is

971
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 6: such a boy band thing? You know, everybody has to

972
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 6: pick their favorite, and then he's.

973
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: Going through that right now, I know, Oh my gosh,

974
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: don't even stars, don't even stretch K pop band? The

975
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: only one I know BTS Okay, you know, I was

976
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: trying to think of who my Joey Ramon is. I

977
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: suppose it's Sugar, right. He seems like the most punk

978
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: out of all of them.

979
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 6: Really, Well, the coolest thing is one of the coolest

980
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 6: things about the movie was well I related to Riff,

981
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 6: the main character, Riff Randall, who's their number one fan,

982
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 6: and she's written a song for them.

983
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: She's a songwriter. She's like, I'm not a groupie. I'm

984
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: a songwriter.

985
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

986
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 6: And that's what really resonated with me, is like, I

987
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 6: don't want to be a groupie. I don't want to

988
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 6: just be a fan. I want to be a part

989
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 6: of it.

990
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

991
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 6: You know, at that point, it was just starting to

992
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 6: really set in how much I really wanted to be

993
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 6: in a band and learn to play something, and and

994
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 6: and her taking it kind of seriously like I'm not

995
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 6: a groupie. And you know, I had just recently read

996
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 6: I'm with the Band, and as a woman who loved music,

997
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 6: I was like, ew, is this what I have to

998
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 6: do to be a part of it? But that movie

999
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 6: just showed me, first of all, anyone can play three chords.

1000
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 6: And it's just more about the attitude obviously, like and

1001
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 6: because what they had was just their coolness just oozed

1002
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 6: out of their tiny tight jeans, like all of it.

1003
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 6: And and that Riff wanted to be so much more,

1004
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 6: And I was like I relate to that. I want

1005
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 6: to be Riff Randall. I want to blow up my school.

1006
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 6: I want to write songs for the Ramones, I want

1007
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 6: to you know, go backstage at the show and talk

1008
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 6: to them as equals.

1009
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, eat pizza with them.

1010
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 6: Oh my god, got riff ramble roller, Oh my god.

1011
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 6: And I constant I quote this movie probably daily, you know, like.

1012
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: You showed up us a VHS copy prior to recording.

1013
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 2: Should be in a museum.

1014
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 6: Oh my god, Because Casey, what I didn't tell you

1015
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 6: is not only is this the copy that my mom

1016
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 6: bought me in nineteen eighty five that's probably been played

1017
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 6: a thousand times. In nineteen ninety five, when I was

1018
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 6: living in Portland, Mary Warnoff, who plays Miss Togar obviously

1019
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 6: famous Mary Warnoff, and she had just put out her

1020
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 6: memoir called Swimming Underground. And so I went to her

1021
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 6: book signing in Portland in ninety five and I brought

1022
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 6: this VHS copy for her to sign, and its signed

1023
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 6: if you look.

1024
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: And when I came to it to her and I

1025
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: was like, hi, I was on a few times, and

1026
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 3: she said, oh, my favorite movie.

1027
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: That's so cool.

1028
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like rock and Roll high School, and

1029
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: like Mary warren Off, I feel like they do show

1030
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: a different type of punk than like you would see

1031
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: in like Suburbia. You know, it's like you don't have

1032
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: to be like Nazi skinhead adjacent to be punk. Yeah know,

1033
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: it's like and it doesn't have to be this like violent,

1034
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: horrifying thing. You can still be punk without all of that.

1035
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 5: You know.

1036
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 6: There's also the funny thing because like Rock and Roll

1037
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 6: High School was filmed in like nineteen seventy nine, so

1038
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 6: not all the punks looked like punks. You know, a

1039
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 6: lot of people just kind of look like jocks or

1040
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 6: weird prepees or whatever because the look hadn't quite fully formed.

1041
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 6: And and there's that scene or multiple scenes when people

1042
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 6: are arriving at the big concert, and which is actually

1043
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 6: cool because director Alan Arkish is the door guy.

1044
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 2: In the movie.

1045
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know that. Yeah, yeah, so

1046
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 3: he's the one. He's you know, checking everyone's IDs and

1047
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But there's this beautiful feeling of.

1048
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 6: Inclusivity because you know, like when the mouse wants to

1049
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 6: come in, because there's a scene where miss Togar is

1050
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 6: showing the effects of rock and roll music on mice

1051
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 6: and they explode when she turns it up loud.

1052
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 3: Gross.

1053
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 6: But then a giant mouse comes to the concert and

1054
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 6: Alan Arkish says, sorry, man, we can't let any mice

1055
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 6: in they've been exploding, you know, and that the mouse

1056
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 6: takes out a pair of over the ear headbook like

1057
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 6: you know, ear protectors, and he's like, oh, okay, cool, you.

1058
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: Can come on in.

1059
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 6: And so I'm like, it's so inclusive, like they're letting

1060
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 6: in the mice, they're letting in the nerves, you know,

1061
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 6: Griff's best friend Kate Rambau total nerd. It felt like

1062
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 6: anyone could come to a Ramones concert. You didn't have

1063
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 6: to be flee with a rap on your shoulder.

1064
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: You did it.

1065
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: You didn't have to have a mohawk. You could be

1066
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: a dork if you look at that crowd so dorky.

1067
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing about the Ramotes that that's why

1068
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: they were my favorite punk band because they weren't. They

1069
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: were just sort of like they loved like, I don't know,

1070
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: pop music, and they were like they all just had

1071
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: a very simple kind of look and it wasn't they

1072
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't project tough to me. They projected like the quint

1073
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: essential like music nerd, kind of like goofball, Like it

1074
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: wasn't threatening at all, And I just loved that.

1075
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: Well, I also want to get into Jen's movie Ladies

1076
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Staines. Jen, what's kind of your

1077
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: history with this movie and did it have sort of

1078
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: a similar influence on you in the way that Rock

1079
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: and Roll High School did for Rose?

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Speaker 1: It really did.

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Speaker 7: I saw it the first time on Night Flight when

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Speaker 7: I was fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Nightflight amazing.

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Speaker 7: Night night Flight would play their show and it was

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Speaker 7: like three or four hours long. It would start at

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00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 7: eight pm and then they'd play the entire thing all

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Speaker 7: over again at midnight, so if you saw something cool,

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00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 7: you could see it again later if you stayed up

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Speaker 7: late enough.

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Speaker 1: I want to explain night Flight. It was kind of

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00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: like the coolest little showcase for like cool, awesome people

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00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: who loved art and punk and you know, weird movies

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00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: and stuff. And it used to just come on TV

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: like h late at night, and it was like and now,

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00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean they're still around. I think the people that

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00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: created it have revamped it and they have like a

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00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: streaming service and everything. But like when you were like

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00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: in the eighties, I was really young, so I you know,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't like obviously a teenager in that like I'm

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00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: a punk teenager kind of way. But it really like

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00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: shaped me like early on in terms of like stuff

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Speaker 1: that you I would like today, right.

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00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, so yeah, you could see like the Bank Floyd

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00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 7: movie and then there'd be like interviews with other people

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00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 7: are like weird, like cartoons thrown in and stuff. Yeah,

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00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 7: it was kind of like a zene, like a weird

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00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 7: it was exactly. It was like a zine that's like

1108
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 7: the visual zine whatever video zine. So but I I

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01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 7: saw it and I just I can't even describe how

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Speaker 7: it just hit me, you know, across the face, like

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Speaker 7: over the head.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 7: When it ended and they played that like video weird

1114
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 7: fake video part at the end, I ran into my

1115
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 7: bedroom and I grabbed my guitar that I had just

1116
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 7: gotten that I hadn't really learned how to play yet,

1117
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 7: and I just jumped up and down on my bed.

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Speaker 1: With my guitar. I just wanted to do that so bad.

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Speaker 2: I was just so excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like that movie. I wrote about this

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01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: movie when we did the tc munder round book, and

1122
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: it was crazy because I was just doing so much

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Speaker 1: research about it and sort of how I was made,

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Speaker 1: and like the actresses being like actually teenagers, like they

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01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: were not like thirty year olds being fifteen or sixteen.

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Speaker 1: They were actually fifteen and sixteen. We're younger, which I

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01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: think is so fascinating. And it was like, you know

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Speaker 1: actresses that are like famous like Laura Dern and you

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01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: know Diane Lane who are and they were actually hanging

1130
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: out with like members of the Clash and Sex Whistles.

1131
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: So that was just like this feeling of oh, here

1132
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: are these like young like kind of my dream at

1133
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: their age was to hang out with people in punk bands, right,

1134
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: you just talked about that Rose hanging out with the Ramones,

1135
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: And here was this movie that was basically that.

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01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, they're just trying to get out of their

1137
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 7: town and you know, hit your ride and get out

1138
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 7: of there and be a band. And it's just insane.

1139
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 7: It's just my favorite movie.

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01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: How and like, what way do you think, like, because

1141
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, in the movie, basically this the Fabulous Stains

1142
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: are you know, a group of girls that are from this,

1143
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know, shitty little industrial town

1144
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: in the Northeast, and they they hate where they live

1145
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: and it's economically fucked there, and so they just kind

1146
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: of start a punk band and you know, they're not

1147
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: like perfect, but that's kind of like not the point,

1148
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And they're just kind of

1149
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: like playing music and just like and you know, it.

1150
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 3: Ends up being sounds familiar.

1151
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but it's like, so, was it

1152
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: like when you were when you saw this movie at

1153
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: night Light when you were younger, were you like, oh,

1154
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: they could like they could just start a band without

1155
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: even being like technically good, you know what I mean,

1156
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: Like was that something that inspired you as a young

1157
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: person who was like getting into music or.

1158
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was cool that they they didn't even have

1159
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 7: that many rehearsals down. They just like she just saw

1160
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 7: a way to get out and they just packed up

1161
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 7: a huge like trunk with old clothes that was their

1162
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 7: equipment that brought their one bass, their one guitar and

1163
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 7: a huge old steamer trunk of vintage sweaters and like

1164
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 7: got on a bus and left town and then figured

1165
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 7: it out and then they I loved it. Through the movie,

1166
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 7: they get tighter, like they're they're scary shows where they

1167
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 7: don't know what they're doing.

1168
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: That is their practice, and it's just like that feels

1169
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: like real life to me.

1170
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 5: That's the story of the Softies right there, because we

1171
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 5: know we can never rehearse together, so we just have

1172
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 5: to sort of rehearse on our own and hope that

1173
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 5: when we get together it sounds okay on stage. So

1174
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 5: it's so punk because we just don't, like we've never

1175
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 5: had the resources to like dial it in like like

1176
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 5: a band that has like, you know, money behind them

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 5: or whatever.

1178
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 3: It's like, I was gonna say, Jen quotes this movie constantly.

1179
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 3: I can't help it.

1180
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 6: She knows the whole movie by heart. It's so funny

1181
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 6: how often we can find an appropriate quote from that movie.

1182
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had what a my ear? This is so embarrassing.

1183
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: I can't even believe about to say this.

1184
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 4: But early like blogs, early blog so they I was

1185
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 4: the you know, early blogger on the internet.

1186
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: That is so awful, but it was. It's actually kind

1187
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: of true. The name of my blog was called Nobody

1188
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: in the Shithole Gets Me. Oh my god, it's perfect,

1189
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: like nobody in this ship because that's like that line.

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01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: Still to this day, I use it for things like

1191
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: if I have to like fill out a profile for something,

1192
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the bio? Nobody in this Shithole gets me?

1193
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 6: Because that's so true, that's right, did you did you

1194
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 6: follow it with because we don't put out, we.

1195
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: Don't put out. I mean, well that is obviously the

1196
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: last part of it. So I yeah, I'm sort of

1197
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: glad that you guys like brought this area of y'all's

1198
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: expertise to this because it is like this very I

1199
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: feel like it's like, again, I don't really know if

1200
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: there's a comp to this right now, but these types

1201
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: of movies were literally like everything for gen X, right,

1202
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: Like we kind of internalized all these like weird music movies.

1203
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: A lot of times they were like being made by

1204
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: like record company kind of people, Like I know that's

1205
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: the case with the Fabulous stains is like a lou

1206
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: Adler thing, and like I don't know the fact that

1207
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: they got like cool people to work on them, and

1208
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: so you know, there's like cool directors, cool bands, cool

1209
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: actors and actresses, and it's just that's this like thing

1210
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, it's just like a music movie

1211
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: from the late seventies early eighties, and then it just

1212
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: became this flashpoint cultural moment for like this entire generation people.

1213
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 6: And obviously the Staines movie was so proto Riot Girl,

1214
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 6: like so much of that went on to really carry on. Yeah,

1215
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 6: I want to do a five second dramatic reading from

1216
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 6: fabulous dams.

1217
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 2: This in the show more often really dramatic readings. I

1218
01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: love this.

1219
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, you'll know where I'm going. Jen, Okay,

1220
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 3: here I go. I like your hair?

1221
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what else do you like? That's it?

1222
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 3: And scene? Thank you?

1223
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: Oh man, that was great.

1224
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: Ray Winstone is like and what an accent on points?

1225
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know ray Winstone. Oh my god?

1226
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 6: From you know, well, my first husband had a real

1227
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 6: young ray Winstone vibe. I understand that character.

1228
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you either of you ever want to do

1229
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: some sort of look like Diane Lane in this movie?

1230
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 2: Was that ever? Yeah? What do you think?

1231
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 7: Well, I've been wanting to have a Halloween costume of

1232
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 7: that for years, and so I'll do it one of

1233
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 7: these days.

1234
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 3: I played it for a screening once.

1235
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: Oh really, send you the phone.

1236
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't very good, but I tried.

1237
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 7: I do have I do have a tattoo of.

1238
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: Tattoo, I have another door.

1239
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: Let me see you.

1240
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: She does is Karen Burns. I can put it.

1241
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: I'll put a picture in the chat. Yes, take a

1242
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: picture of third degree put him put them in a chat.

1243
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 3: It's so good, so big.

1244
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is amazing. Well that is definitely

1245
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: your error of expertise. Yeah, got tious, that is you

1246
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:29,959
Speaker 1: are an expert loah.

1247
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 7: Well, the funny thing was is like, sure, it's a

1248
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 7: tattoo of Karen Burns. But then a few years after

1249
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 7: I got it, I was like, wait, oh my god,

1250
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 7: I have a tattoo of Diane leaning on my body.

1251
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 6: It was just like, what did I do?

1252
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: That's so weird, unfaithful.

1253
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: Yes, well, thank you both so much for coming on

1254
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: this show to talk about this. This was wonderful and thrilling,

1255
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: and I we should have you guys on again. We'd

1256
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 2: love to have you on again. Sometimes. This is so great.

1257
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: Please is there anything you'd like to plug?

1258
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 3: What are we doing?

1259
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: Jen? We're in the news a lot, by the way,

1260
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: not to cut you off, but like I swear, it's

1261
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: like y'all when you cause you just released like an

1262
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: album pretty recently, and I just kept seeing all of

1263
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: these articles about it, and I was like, y we

1264
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: got we.

1265
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 6: Got some flowers. It's felt very good. Love it, but no,

1266
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,839
Speaker 6: now I want to write a screenplay for the Softies,

1267
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 6: you know movie ooh I'm inspired to do a music

1268
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 6: movie about what it's like to be a middle aged woman.

1269
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: I love it pop band.

1270
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 7: What about our podcast that we were always talking about doing.

1271
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 6: We want to do our own podcast called Softiest State

1272
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 6: of Mind, and we just want people to write in

1273
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 6: and ask about songs because we have so many songs

1274
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 6: between like five records, So we want people to ask

1275
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 6: about songs, and then we just talk about the stories

1276
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 6: behind the songs. So somebody fund up past.

1277
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: I got a four to one k. I could just

1278
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: cash it down area. Yeah, very very punk, very punk sentiment.

1279
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: But there is no future, So why have a four

1280
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: to one k? Just spend it, spend your movie and

1281
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: your podcast.

1282
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I can promised that for one K

1283
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,560
Speaker 2: to invest in multiple projects. So we might want to

1284
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: do some accounting on the numbers on that Millie.

1285
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy. But yeah, I was sol plug away.

1286
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: What's going on? What are you guys working on? What's

1287
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: coming up?

1288
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 6: We're going to play some more shows this year. We've

1289
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 6: started talking about writing songs again for another record. I

1290
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 6: personally am the touring guitar player in Bratmobile, so I'll

1291
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 6: be playing shows with them this summer, which Millie, I

1292
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 6: think you need to come out for those shows.

1293
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: Please, And yeah, oh my gosh, well if everyone should

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Speaker 2: listen to the bet I made the Softie's latest album,

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: and uh, listen to every album by the Softies actually,

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Speaker 2: And yeah, thank you guys so much for being on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 6: Just we love you both, Thank you love much, and

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Speaker 6: congratulations on the new podcast we are having. It's just

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01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 6: been such a thrill to listen and to hear it

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01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 6: takes shape and get to hear you every week again,

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Speaker 6: and it's just we're so honored to be a.

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Speaker 3: Part of it. So honored.

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Speaker 2: Oh those wonderful Softies, God, they're great. I just it

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01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: was so fun.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the things when we had them, when they

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01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 2: agreed to do the theme song to the show, they

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: were like, well, you have to have us as guests.

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Speaker 2: And that was really exciting for them to say that

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Speaker 2: to us. And now they were guests on the show,

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Speaker 2: and it was really fun to talk about two movies.

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: I think you you and I both really love too,

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Speaker 2: So that was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're totally fine with that clause in

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: the contract that said they had to be a guest.

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01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: I was like, our lawyer is not going to take

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Speaker 1: that out at all. Yeah. Yeah, they're the best and

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01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: I'm so glad and their family. That's like I said,

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Speaker 1: they're family family.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: It's like we're like the Torretto's in The Fast and Furious.

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01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 2: We're all about family and they're part of the family.

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Speaker 1: Don't you dare invoke my fucking favorite film franchise and

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01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: make me feel like I'm part of it in some way.

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Speaker 1: My heart just skipped a beat, is all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're moving on here to our film advice section,

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01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: where people you know, right in with if they've got

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01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 2: a film greight that needs to be resolved, if they

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01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: need recommendations, if they need if they're having a movie

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 2: problem in their life, We're here to solve it for you.

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: And we've got a great one here. I think this

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01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: is an interesting question that's being posed here, So Millie

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Speaker 2: please take it away.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is from Jackie and the title of it

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Speaker 1: is called film Gripe. Hello, Millian Casey. I would consider

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Speaker 1: myself to be a Wes Anderson megafan. I have the

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01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: Criterion Collection cartoon of Max Fisher smoking a cigarette on

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01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: a go cart tattooed on my body. That's how serious

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: my love is. The Fantastic Mister Fox was my go

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01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: to movie when I was twenty three and stoned. I

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01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: got into his movies in my early twenties, and they deeply,

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01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: deeply affected me. In hindsight, I think was probably the

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01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 1: very sincere combination of intellectualism on we family dysfunction, and

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01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 1: symmetry that just hit me, a high school English teacher,

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01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: in such a way that I felt like his movies

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01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: helped me to unlock some understanding of the world I've

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01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: held onto ever since. So here's my gripe. Is it

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01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 1: just me or do his recent movie suck? I was

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01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: so excited to see The French Dispatch, and then I

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01:12:54,920 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: watched it and felt bored, condescended to I was incredibly

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01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: excited when Asteroid City came out same reaction. Does Wes

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: Anderson need to be stopped? His most recent long form

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01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: theatrical releases are so completely without heart and soul, so

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01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: focused on the form of filmmaking, so obsessed with Andersonian

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: details and set design, and so concerned with meta narrative

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: and philosophical deconstruction, that he has totally lost sight of

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01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: what actually makes his movies great lonely people finding their

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01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: imperfect counterparts in the world. Am I alone in this?

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Speaker 1: I'd love to know your thoughts. Should I give his

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: more recent movies another try? Or does this fall in

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01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: line with the Terminator slash terminator too equation and there

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: just isn't a way to go back or forward. I

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01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: know this is overly worthy, but again, English teacher here,

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Speaker 1: thanks for reading, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: Wow, thank you Jackie for writing in well a very

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01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: well written email. Yeah, I felt I've definitely nay counciation

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Speaker 2: wrote that. Yeah, incredible. This is so interesting because I

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Speaker 2: think I had a similar relationship with Wes Anderson that

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Speaker 2: you have, Jackie. I, but I'm a little bit older

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01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: and therefore wiser and I so I was obsessed with

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: Rushmore when it came out, Royal Ten of Bombs, The

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01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 2: Life Aquatic, Oh my god, I was obsessed with all

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: those movies. They hit me emotionally so hard. And then

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 2: his next couple of movies started coming out, and even

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01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: the Fantastic Mister Fox. I was kind of like, I

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01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 2: feel nothing for these movies. The Dart Deealing Limited, I

1378
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: was like, oh this, I don't feel the same way

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01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: I did anymore. Why aren't these drumming up the same

1380
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 2: emotions I had when I first fell in love with

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: Wes Anderson. People still like those movies and think they're good, obviously,

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01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: and like the Grand Buddha Beest Hotel. When I first

1383
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: saw that, I was kind of like, I'm still not.

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01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 2: I don't feel the way I did when Moon Rise Kingdom.

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01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: Same thing, like I don't feel the same way I

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 2: did with Rushmore and The Royal Tenant Bombs. But I

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: think what happens is you, you like, really fell in

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01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 2: love with Wes Anderson's movies, and you gave a lot

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01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 2: of love to these movies, and I just think after

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01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: a while, I think you probably would have felt differently

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01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: if you had seen some of these, Like if you

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Speaker 2: had seen Asteroid City before any of these other movies,

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01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: I think you might have had an emotional reaction to

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01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: them in the same way that you did with you know,

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01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 2: the Fantastic Mister Fox. But I just think sometimes that

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01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 2: happens when you like fall in love with a director

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: and then they don't quite deliver, or it feels a

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01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 2: little different. I had a similar thing happened to me

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Speaker 2: with Paul Thomas Anderson. When there will be Blood came out.

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 2: I was like, this isn't the same vibe as punch

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01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: drunk love. I don't like this, you know. So I

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01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 2: do think it's a very normal part of your relationship

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01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: with a director, and I think over time you will

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01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: start to love those later works. You just might not

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01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 2: have the capacity to love that many movies all at once.

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: Is that way, don't I just said it makes sense,

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01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 2: Milling it does.

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Speaker 1: It does make sense. I think it's a good way

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01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: to counsel Jackie on this very topic. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I have a bitchy I have a bitchy reason.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go.

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Speaker 1: I think it's that he becomes less Texas boy over

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01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: time and becomes more like European artsy fartsy guy.

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01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 2: He lost the roots, Yeah, the root. He doesn't have

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01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: his roots down like Julia Roberts does.

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01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: When he used to wear the clear glasses and he

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01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: had the like spiky hair, and then he grew his

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01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: hair along and started wearing like velveteen suits and shit,

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01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Like there's a difference between him making like Texas movies

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01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 1: with like the damn Wilson Brothers and then to what

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Speaker 1: he does now, which is like more I don't know,

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01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: just like they're kind of like pieces of art, like

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01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: they're not like funny, homedy warm, like I don't know,

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01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: And that's whatever. You can move to Paris, I guess

1426
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: like you can. That's fine, you leave your hometown and

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01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: move to Paris. I'm not begrudging anybody for doing that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm seeing it as maybe an

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Speaker 1: explanation for this Jackie, but I feel like, I mean,

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01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: when I was in college, like I remember when Rushmore

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01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: came out and the Rushmore bus came to my school

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01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 1: and I actually got on the bus with my stupid

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01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: radio station college media folks and got to like hang

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: out with with Wes Anderson. I actually have there's like

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01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: a v like what do you call those like formats

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01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: where it was like a camquorder tape. It was tiny,

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01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 1: and then he fitted into like an adapter which was

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01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: a vcv VHS side might yeah it might have been

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01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: many maybe like very early like late nineties digital video,

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01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: but it was like I have like like an hour

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01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: and a half worth of footage of Wes Anderson basically

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01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: being old Wes Anderson. He had the spikey little hair,

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01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: he had the nerdy glad he was he looked like

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01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: a nerd. He was wearing the like high water pants

1445
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: with the socks and the you know, creaky new balances

1446
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: his old style, right, and I just remember thinking, like,

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01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: what a cool, fun guy. He kind of like he like,

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01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 1: for some reason, I think like him and Todd's Solons,

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01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, the director Todd Salons. They kind of had

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01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: like the nerdy film guy thing on lock back then

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01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: they did. But then again, yeah, I think there was

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01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: like a moment where I felt like his style, his

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01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: own personal style, moved away from that and was becoming

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: more of like he started looking like like like I

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01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: don't know, like a caricature of a European art house

1456
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: director or something totally you know, and I was like, oh, okay.

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01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: And then that's what I kind of noticed. That the

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: films came more stylized, more precious, more world building kind

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01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: of thing.

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01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: Angular Yeah, so yeah, I think, but I think this

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01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 2: happens sometimes, like this kind of happened with me and

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01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 2: the Cohen Brothers too, where I was like, oh my god,

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01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 2: I love Raising Arizona, I love Fargo, and then like

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01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 2: they keep coming out with movies and you're like, I

1465
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 2: don't love these as much. I don't have any because

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: you had such a high high with those earlier movies.

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01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 2: It's like it's never quite the same. And even a

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01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: movie that I think is like a masterpiece now, But

1469
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: when like No Country for Old Men came out, I

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01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 2: was like, this ain't no Fargo, this ain't no Miller's Crossing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 2: It's just that's just like it's sometimes you want that

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01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: same high. Yeah, you know, but I don't know that

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01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: that's I'm I'm projecting a lot onto you, Jackie. But

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: that's that was sort of my similar journey I had

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01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 2: with Wes Anderson. And then I let it go. I

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01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 2: was like, I can't I'm gonna hate his movies now.

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01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: And then once I was let that go, I was

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01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 2: able to go back and appreciate them more. I feel like, yeah,

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01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 2: after I'd broken up with him emotionally, I have to.

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01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: Say that your observation that his movies are about lonely

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: people finding their imperfect counterparts in the world like made

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01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: my heart flutter. It was so that's like such a

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01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: great way to describe it, and it may it just

1485
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: instantly made me nostalgic for his his older things like

1486
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: like you just encapsulated what is missing in your mind?

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01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1488
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: And I just am like, yeah, I missed that too,

1489
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: And I don't know, but you.

1490
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 2: Know this is this is art.

1491
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: An artist in a nutshell is that it's just if

1492
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: they do work long enough, they evolve. And maybe it's

1493
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: not a direction that you're comfortable with, but it's it's

1494
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: necessary for them in a certain way.

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01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, And it might take longer for you

1496
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: to appreciate their new stuff just because you were so

1497
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 2: invested in the old stuff. I've been there. I've been there. Yeah.

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01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 2: To quote Ben Stiller in Heavyweights, I know each and

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01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: every one of you because I was you.

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Speaker 1: True words have never been spoken. Jackie, what an incredible

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01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: are question?

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01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: I love great question, great email. Loved it. And if

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01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 2: anybody else wants to write in asking you know, for

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01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 2: help film advice, dear movies at exactly right Media, you

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Speaker 2: can send us an email or a voicemail just recorded

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Speaker 2: on your phone and make sure it's under a minute

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01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 2: and that you're in a quiet place, and you can

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Speaker 2: just email that voice memo to Deer movies at exactly

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Speaker 2: right media dot com. All right, Moving on to employees picks,

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Speaker 2: this is our film recommendation section.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you got? So my employee pick for

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Speaker 1: this episode. Because we've just talked about Steven Sottermarke director,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually.

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Speaker 2: Gonna pick.

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Speaker 1: Chay his movie.

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01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I actually haven't seen these Yeah.

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01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: His uh it's like a double It's like a part

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01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: one and a part two.

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01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: What do you call those?

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01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: What do you call those types of movies?

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01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 2: Part one and a part two? Yeah?

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01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, a two part two part So yeah, I mean

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01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: basically it's his uh movie that he made about Shay Gavara.

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01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: There's a part one and part two. I think each

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01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: part is like over two hours long.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.

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01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it a while, but I when it

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01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: came out, I really loved it. And I gotta admit

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01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,959
Speaker 1: a lot of it it's because I think that Benicio

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01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: del Toro is one of the hottest men to ever

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Speaker 1: walk the earth. So there was would you call him

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01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:55,560
Speaker 1: a craggy craggy hot. He's a big, craggy hot, but

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01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,839
Speaker 1: he's like in his own stratosphere.

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01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,879
Speaker 2: Like I I I he's a planet.

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01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: I think he's so goddamn hot, Like and have for years.

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01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: Chase a great film two parts, Like I said, so

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01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: you have to track him down or they're not going

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01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: to know the story if you don't watch the second part.

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Speaker 1: So it's about like four and a half hours worth

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Speaker 1: of viewing.

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Speaker 2: But okay, it's historical, you'll enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Steven Soderberg is a great filmaker, as we said,

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Speaker 1: So there you go, my pig.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested a movie that is kind of not not

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01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: similar to Aaron Brockovich, but feels sort of related. It's

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 2: kind of about a whistleblower and a company is two

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01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 2: thousand and Nine's The Informant. Have you seen this movie? No,

1548
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 2: it's been on my list for incredible. Yeah, it's incredible.

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01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 2: I think it might be Matt Damon's best role. Yeah,

1550
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: came on in two thousand and nine. It's very funny.

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01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 2: It's about the US government decides to go after an

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01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: agro business giant in i because they've been doing price

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01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 2: fixing and they get evidence submitted by Vice President turned

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01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 2: informant Mike Mark Whittaker played by Matt Damon, and he

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01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 2: is a delulu bizarre man and he sort of starts

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01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 2: to think of himself as like a James Bond type character,

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01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 2: but he's like such a nimrod. But he's also incredibly

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01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 2: intelligent because he's like I think he has his doctorate

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01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 2: in like agricultural sciences or something like that. So like,

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01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 2: and it's just such a fascinating character. And it's based

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01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 2: on a real story, and he does things to like

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01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 2: get information that are so silly, and he makes decisions

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01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: that are so crazy, and it's really it's so funny

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01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: and delightful. I think I've seen it like three or

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01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 2: four times. It's just so much fun. And uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I highly I's got a lot of like comedians in

1567
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: it too, like Patton Oswald and Tom Poppa and Melanie

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01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 2: Lynsky plays his wife, and I don't know. It's just

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Speaker 2: it's a great time.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it, of course you should. It's really

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01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 2: really fun. It's a good like midwestern Iowa movie too.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that is my very good Okay, really we're

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Speaker 2: at the end of the episode. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Actually, I feel like I could

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01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: do this for another seventy three days.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've given all. I can't. I'm completely out of

1578
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 2: energy and I can't. I don't want to record anymore today.

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01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 2: So well, like I already said about sending in film advice,

1580
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: do so at Deer Movies at exactly rightmedia, dot com,

1581
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 2: email or voicemail.

1582
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Speaker 1: Also follow us on our social media accounts. We are

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Speaker 1: at Deer Movies. I love you on Instagram. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we've been doing Instagram lives lately. Yes, we want to

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01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: do more. I think the public has spoken they want

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01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: us to appear more, to make fun of us on

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Speaker 1: Instagram Live and we'll so we'll do it. We'll do

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Speaker 1: it for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in the last one, I kind of tried

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Speaker 2: out some director fits because I was kind of trying

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01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: to get my director look down. I tried on a

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Speaker 2: beret with some more feminine sunglasses and I was ridiculed,

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Speaker 2: I would say, but it was about fifty to fifty,

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01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 2: I would say, supported ridiculed. So you should definitely check

1595
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 2: out our Instagram Live. I think you can still watch

1596
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: that live on our Instagram. But yeah, we want to

1597
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 2: do that more because that was fun and that was

1598
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 2: fun connecting with everybody. And yeah, we'll definitely but follow

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Speaker 2: us and you'll be able to see that in the future.

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Speaker 1: We'll announce it also, we'll announce it better because we

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Speaker 1: just we did a very soft launch, so like we'll

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Speaker 1: tell you where we're doing a live at least the

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Speaker 1: week og.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so but yeah, we'll do a bit. We'll do

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Speaker 2: more of an announcement ahead of time, so people can,

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01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 2: you know, clear their calendars, get a babysitter, that sort

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01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 2: of thing. To watch our Instagram lives. If you want

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Speaker 2: to follow us on Letterbox, our handles are Casey Leobrien

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Speaker 2: and m de Cheriico got to follow us on there,

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Speaker 2: We're we're good follows, I would say, if you want

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Speaker 2: to know, we're watching how we feel about things, that's right,

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Speaker 2: mostly movies. But yeah, that's it. Millie, thank you for

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Speaker 2: recording another great episode of this fine podcast with me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks and yeah, appreciate everybody tuning in. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: the softiest. Thank you to Casey o Brin.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you softies for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Millie to Cherco and produced by my co host O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfocal Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you.

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