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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria Qkaine. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a husband and wife who were celebrating

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Speaker 1: their child's fourth birthday the same way any of us would,

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Speaker 1: by drinking lots of alcohol and doing cocaine. Well, their

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Speaker 1: deaths are very unusual, and we'll get into that. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll get into a freak accident of a woman who

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Speaker 1: was choked to death by her car window. We have

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Speaker 1: a horrific case coming out of India involving cough syrup

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Speaker 1: that took the lives of at least twenty children, lead

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Speaker 1: that has been found in one of my favorite drinks,

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Speaker 1: bubble Tea, and a correlation between a popular hair loss

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Speaker 1: medication and suicide. All that and more on today's episode,

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Speaker 1: Let's get started with this wild birthday celebration.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this happened in Brazil. This cop and his

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Speaker 2: wife were celebrating their daughter's fourth birthday. That's when they decided.

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Speaker 2: Later on that night they were going to go to

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Speaker 2: bunch of cocaine. They checked into a motel later that

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Speaker 2: night and the next day never showed up to pick

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Speaker 2: the motel room dead in the bathtub.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so cocaine can intensify the effects of alcohol. It's

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Speaker 1: just not good to ever do cocaine and alcohol together.

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Speaker 1: I almost would say it's not good to do cocaine,

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Speaker 1: but I know people are going to do what they're

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Speaker 1: going to do. It's just that mixing an upper and

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Speaker 1: an increase in heart rate. And cocaine also has this

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Speaker 1: ability to raise a person's body temperature, so when that's happening,

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Speaker 1: you can get things like dizziness and confusion. And they

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Speaker 1: both ended up in the bathtub for some reason. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe they were just having a sexy night or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's not totally uncommon for that to happen, but they

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Speaker 1: were so high slash drunk they didn't really realize how

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Speaker 1: And it's likely that just this intense hot temperature of

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Speaker 1: was when they found them. That, along with being high

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Speaker 1: on the cocaine and the alcohol, that also raises the

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Speaker 1: and they could even go into a coma and death

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Speaker 1: could be likely that they wouldn't die because their body

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Speaker 1: temperature could you know, potentially be lowered if they were

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Speaker 1: in a room and not sitting in hot water like that.

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Speaker 1: So on top of just their deaths occurring this way,

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Speaker 1: which is tragic that the celebration of this four year

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Speaker 1: old's birthday ended up like this, Right, they're celebrating a

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Speaker 1: kid's birthday and now both of her parents are dead.

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Speaker 1: But on top of this, just investigators finding bodies that

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Speaker 1: were dead in hot water like that. They could have

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Speaker 1: been had a severe not severe, but they could have

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Speaker 1: been pretty decomposed when they were found, more than if

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Speaker 1: they were just found on the bed or something like that.

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Speaker 2: I guess my confusion with this story is that when

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Speaker 2: specifically saying a bath tub, So I just don't really

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Speaker 2: understand because if you in a normal situation, if you

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Speaker 2: still so hot when they were found the next day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting, because normally, when

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Speaker 1: I've been in hotel rooms that have I wouldn't I

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Speaker 1: jacuzzi tub. It's a bathtub technically, but yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: So it's totally possible in that situation. So I don't

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Speaker 1: it's not very common to have a hot tub within

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Speaker 2: Shaved hot tubs. Yeah, so I guess in theory it

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Speaker 2: of it. But I guess I'll just also never understand

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Speaker 2: the mindset of celebrating your toddler's birthday and then just

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't seem, you know, like a normal thing.

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Speaker 1: But just aside from the drinking and drugs, it's just

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Speaker 1: like usually when you're celebrating your child's birthday, like we

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Speaker 1: you know, it just like dump the kid off, didn't

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Speaker 1: and hang out alone. Right, So it's just it's a

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, so all right, let's move on to this

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Speaker 2: next one. This is a total definition of a freak accident.

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Speaker 2: Over the summer in France, this woman, who was six

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Speaker 1: This is such a freak accident. But also there should

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Speaker 1: don't know if there is in some cars and not others,

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Speaker 2: Well, did this remind you of our Boy in the

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Speaker 1: That was terrible. Yeah, So Maria and I went we

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Speaker 1: I don't jumped in the car and put the car

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Speaker 2: Well, isn't this what happened to that actor Anton Yelchin

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Speaker 1: So I remember I was all upset and I was

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Speaker 2: I could have died.

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Speaker 1: And then I went home and told my husband and

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Speaker 1: Why that happens all the time, And I just was like, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm still on your side about this. It should not

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Speaker 2: so the noise goes away that it's gonna start rolling

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Speaker 1: I just I don't even know what I was thinking

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Speaker 1: As soon as I stop, I will before I'll put

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Speaker 2: But I even think with my car, it has a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still maintain that that should be a thing.

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Speaker 1: So this woman, the same thing happened and instead of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because in your case, you open the full door,

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Speaker 2: she kind of just reached in the car with her

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Speaker 1: I really feel like that is an automatic safety feature,

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Speaker 1: at least in American cars, I swear because of just

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Speaker 2: don't you think we'd have many stories of not necessarily

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Speaker 2: at least getting their fingers cut off and stuff, Well,

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Speaker 1: This week's celebrity death dissection was something a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, this led in the bubble tea situation. I

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Speaker 2: Did this story?

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Speaker 2: get the normal about.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's a substitution for lunch.

439
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Speaker 2: I think I may be in the clear because I

440
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Speaker 2: don't like the boba. Actually, I just like the t

441
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Speaker 2: component of it. They're sitting wrong with you.

442
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Speaker 1: I do not like what Why don't you like the boba?

443
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: It's like a texture thing. I just I don't like it.

444
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: But they tested boba pearls from two major change which

445
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: was Gong Cha and Kung Fu Tea, both of which

446
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: are near us and we do consume, and they also

447
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Speaker 2: I don't really like those ones. Actually I don't love them.

448
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: But we've had I actually I like we've had tea.

449
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Speaker 2: What's the one in the mall, Real Fruit Tea. That's

450
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Speaker 2: my favorite one, No.

451
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Speaker 1: The best, the best one ever is mister Wish.

452
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Speaker 2: I don't like mister Wish.

453
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Speaker 1: Sure you're crazy. They have the best bubbles ever.

454
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Speaker 2: No, they're the plain Tea's fine, but I like coconut

455
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Speaker 2: flavor and not a lot of places have that, and

456
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Speaker 2: Kung Fu Tea has that, and the one in the mall,

457
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Speaker 2: the Real Fruit Tea has that, and they do the

458
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Speaker 2: frozen one, and that's my favorite.

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Speaker 1: See mister Wish is I don't know, and I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not paid endorser. I should be because of what

461
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Speaker 1: I'm about to say. But I feel like mister Wish

462
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Speaker 1: uses real fruit to flavor their their drinks. They whereas

463
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Speaker 1: when you go to like one of the what's the

464
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Speaker 1: one hung Fu whatever, they use this powder that's very

465
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Speaker 1: processed and stuff. So the negative is that that taro

466
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Speaker 1: bubble tea is one of my favorite flavors, but it's

467
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Speaker 1: a super fake, weird purple color powder that they use

468
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Speaker 1: at a place like Hung Fu Tea or something. When

469
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Speaker 1: you get taro bubble tea at mister Wish, it's like weird.

470
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Speaker 1: It has like chunks of potatoes in it because it's

471
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Speaker 1: real taro, and I don't I didn't like that. I

472
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Speaker 1: didn't understand. I don't like that texture, like a giant

473
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Speaker 1: potato in my milkshake.

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Speaker 2: It's just it was just weird.

475
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Speaker 1: But like their traditional tea is very good and they're

476
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Speaker 1: actually using tea instead of that weird dissolvable powder stuff,

477
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Speaker 1: So that's I mean, I like that part of it anyway.

478
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Speaker 2: I mean, this conversation is actually really making what bubble tea?

479
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, let after recording, let's pay twenty five dollars to

480
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Speaker 1: get one to to our house. Things one for twenty

481
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Speaker 1: five dollars.

482
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: Yet all right, but going back to it. So they

483
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Speaker 2: examined boba pearls from the two major change Gongsha and

484
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Speaker 2: Kung Fu Tea, along with package products from Trader Joe's

485
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Speaker 2: and Wu Fu Yang. So the results show detectable lead

486
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Speaker 2: levels and all four products tested though they said they

487
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Speaker 2: were not at the levels like you said to prompt

488
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Speaker 2: consumer reports to recommend complete avoidance. So they're basically just

489
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Speaker 2: getting it. You can still have it, but don't be

490
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Speaker 2: like us and have it every day. You should have

491
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Speaker 2: it once in a while as a treat. As a

492
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Speaker 2: result of this, Trader Joe's has discontinued their boba kits,

493
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Speaker 2: Wu Fu has decided that they're going to continue testing,

494
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Speaker 2: and the other two have just not provided any comment

495
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Speaker 2: on what they're going to be doing.

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Speaker 1: You know, the thing that's weird about lead poisoning. If

497
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: it's especially if it's not a lot like in this case,

498
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Speaker 1: it could give you very non specific symptoms like a

499
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Speaker 1: loss of appetite or nausea, or stomach pain and headache.

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Speaker 1: Things like that that, you know how you always hear

501
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: from your friends like, I've been having all these symptoms

502
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: and I really don't know what's wrong with me. And eventually,

503
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: if you have all these symptoms and you I mean,

504
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: if you're going to a decent doctor and they roll

505
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: out all the major things like thyroid or this or that,

506
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: then they might test you for lead. But it's not

507
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: really I don't feel like it's in the top of

508
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: the list to tech to check people for. And even so,

509
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: if you have this, the levels might not be super

510
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: high because they're saying that, but it's just a little

511
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: it's scary.

512
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Speaker 2: And like and what were they saying was the real

513
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Speaker 2: hold on, let me there're my notes down, so let

514
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Speaker 2: me fight it again. What they were saying, Oh, it

515
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: was linked to the cassava, which is a root vegetable

516
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: that they used to make the tapioca pearls. So I

517
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: wonder if other products with that too have the same issue.

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Speaker 1: The thing is is that there's lead in there's lead

519
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: in our foods, and that's why you test for it

520
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: because it's kind of impossible to avoid. You just want

521
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: to make sure you're not having a lot of lead

522
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: exposure and it sucks because if it is really I mean,

523
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: like to their defense, it's low, and it's so low

524
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: that they're saying they don't have to issue a warning

525
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: on it. So it's like you're just kind of making

526
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: companies look bad and ruining their business, maybe for no reason.

527
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: But I guess it's good because in the next case,

528
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Speaker 1: for the next story we're going to talk about, it's

529
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: better for the Consumer Reports to be outward with the

530
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: information that they have to say, hey, we found it

531
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Speaker 1: here and it's dangerous and just use with caution, because

532
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: if it comes out in ten years from now that

533
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: Consumer Reports knew there was lead and didn't tell anyone,

534
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: and then people are having all these symptoms, then they

535
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Speaker 1: could be liable for not releasing it to the public.

536
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Well let's get into that. So new research from Israel

537
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: has linked a popular hair loss treatment in men with

538
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: a higher risk of mood disorders and suicidal thoughts, specifically Propecia,

539
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: which was approved by the US FDA in the nineties. Yeah.

540
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: So, Propecia is a drug that's used for traditional male

541
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: pattern baldness, and it's also used for benign prosthetic hyperplasia,

542
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: which is a condition where the prostate land almost gets

543
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: So the prostate land in the male sits underneath of

544
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 1: the bladder and the urethra comes from the bladder, it

545
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: goes through the prostate and then goes out the penis.

546
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: So this is kind of a walnut shaped gland that's

547
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: surrounding the urethra. And sometimes you can get it's almost

548
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: equivalent to like fibroids in a woman in this prostate land,

549
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: and they could get big and nodular and they could

550
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: start squeezing the urethra. So when a man peas, it'll

551
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of squirt out, and sometimes it could be so

552
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: bad that the pea can't get out. So this drug

553
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: is used for that to kind of make the prostate

554
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Speaker 1: gland chill out a little bit so a man's able

555
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: to pete without having that obstruction. But they they so

556
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: this is this is what's kind of crazy from this.

557
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Speaker 1: So it says that Propecia animal studies have shown long

558
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Speaker 1: term brain inflammation and changes to the hippocampus, which is

559
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: the brain center for learning, memory, and emotions. So in

560
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Speaker 1: twenty and eleven they added that depression was a side

561
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Speaker 1: effect of this drug, and not until twenty twenty two,

562
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Speaker 1: which was only three years ago. They added that suicidal

563
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Speaker 1: ideation is also linked with this drug. But when they

564
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Speaker 1: went back and looked at internal FDA documentation, it showed

565
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Speaker 1: that suicidal thoughts and behaviors went all the way back

566
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Speaker 1: to two thousand and ten. So for twelve whole years

567
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Speaker 1: they didn't come out with this information and let the

568
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Speaker 1: public know about this.

569
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Speaker 2: Well. Also they found even more warnings going back to

570
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Speaker 2: two thousand in two, so you're talking about twenty three years.

571
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean that that really sucks because especially

572
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: you know what the BPH is one thing if you have,

573
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: if you're having an anatomic problem with your prostate gland,

574
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: that is a reason to take this drug because otherwise

575
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: you're going to need surgery. And if you don't treat it,

576
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: the urine could back up into your bladder and cause bladderstones,

577
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: or it could back up all the way to your

578
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: kidneys and cause kidney infection. Like it could be really

579
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: it could be really bad and ultimately, I mean theoretically

580
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: it could kill you if you don't treat it. But

581
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: hair loss is cosmetic. I mean, it's a big deal

582
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: for men. Obviously, it's a big deal for women too

583
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: when it happens to them. But is it worth taking

584
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: a medication that might give you some suicidal ideations when

585
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: normally you wouldn't have had them.

586
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Speaker 2: Well, do you notice when you see these pharmaceutical commercials

587
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: on TV at the end, they'll just either say it

588
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: all really fast and it's like, oh, you might die

589
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: taking this medication. You're like, what are you gonna elaborate?

590
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: Or what what happens here?

591
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: There's this one jardance, maybe one of those these diabetes drugs,

592
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: And at the end it's real quick like, and some

593
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: patients may cause a type of gangerine called foreignase gangerine

594
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: in the grain, but it is not common like that fast, right,

595
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: and nobody hears that. And I'm just like, do people

596
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: know what that is? Because it's terrifying.

597
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: It's absolutely people know what that is.

598
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: It's absolutely terrifying. It's this terrible infection that travels up

599
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: inside of your groin in between your muscle layers and

600
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: causes your skin. It's a flesh eating bacteria. You have

601
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: to get surgery to remove huge chunks of skin and

602
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: soft tissue in hopes that they can control the infection.

603
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: And sometimes it grows so large that there's so much

604
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: skin missing from your groin, so like your butt cheeks,

605
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: your crotch, like your thighs. You have to get skin

606
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: graft if you survive it, because it's highly deadly. And

607
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, eh, don't brush this under the rug, Like,

608
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: if this happens to somebody, it's it's a huge deal.

609
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: And I know it's not common, but like, I don't know,

610
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: I would want to know the extent of that's a

611
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: big difference between just having nausea for a couple of days, right.

612
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, And I mean that that's why there's like

613
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live skits and people on TikTok that always

614
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: are making fun of these commercials because they'll just glaze

615
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: over something like, oh, after you just watch the sixty

616
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: second commercial of people frolicking in a field of daisies

617
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: talking about how amazing this medication is, you might want

618
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: to kill your whole family after you take this, and

619
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Speaker 2: they just say it really fast at the end, like

620
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter at all.

621
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Speaker 1: And also I think about this, It's like, how many

622
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: dudes have taken this medication and have been in relationships

623
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: and killed themselves and had children all this stuff because

624
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: of a hair loss struck that they didn't even know

625
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: and their partners never got closure as to what happened

626
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: with them.

627
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: Well, this is why people have a lack of trust

628
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: in the FDA, because you're going back and you're saying

629
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Speaker 2: these internal documents going back to two thousand and two

630
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: to twenty ten or showing that they had some idea

631
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: that these issues were happening, and they just put the

632
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Speaker 2: label on it. What twenty years later? Yeah, what about

633
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: all the people in between those twenty years. This happens

634
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: with a lot of different drugs. Also, this happened with

635
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: cigarettes one hundred percent, right, I mean, well, yeah, there

636
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: was a lot of documentation with that too. So you

637
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: always have to wonder whenever they discontinue a drug, like

638
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: how long have they known about this? And it's just

639
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: it's not cool. And like I said earlier, our FDA

640
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: might not be putting out medications that are killing children

641
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: because the chemicals are not measured correctly or they're incorrect

642
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: chemicals are in the drug itself, but their shadiness going

643
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: on behind the scenes that is also putting our lives

644
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: in danger. No, totally. Well, on that note, good week

645
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: of episodes. We are going to be at Darkside, New

646
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: Jersey and Edison this Saturday, in two days. We cannot

647
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: believe it is here already. We can't everybody to cover

648
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: in that episode too. Yeah, as always with the live shows,

649
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: the most outrageous stories ever. And then of course followed

650
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: by a book signing so we'll get to meet some

651
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: of you guys too. We are so excited. We'll be

652
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: walking around shopping a little bit too, so that'll be

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