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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's our weekly listener

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Speaker 1: male segment, and we have to admit we even get

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Speaker 1: a lot of strange stuff. I don't know about you all,

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Speaker 1: but I I love these and I'm especially fond of

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Speaker 1: the clarifications and corrections we get because it helps keep

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Speaker 1: the show honest. So thanks to everybody wrote into us

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Speaker 1: about anarchy and about the origin of skinheads. And thanks also,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, to the three people who wrote into

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Speaker 1: us today. There's some amazing things here and there's another

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Speaker 1: thing that has me honestly quite concerned. Ben. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: I didn't see those emails. What do we get wrong

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Speaker 1: about the origins of skinheads and anarchy? On the anarchy front?

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Speaker 1: You know, uh, we were largely being humorous with the

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Speaker 1: idea that some people just want to watch the world burn.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that is not the case for all anarchists who

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Speaker 1: have various different names and motivations. Uh. And you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe advocating for a peaceful transition to anarchy. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: then in the term in terms of skinheads, I thought

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Speaker 1: get conflated with neo Nazis because they kind of co

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Speaker 1: culture and stuff like that. Oh, I'm almost positive we

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Speaker 1: and how it was co opted into that kind of

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Speaker 1: And also switching gears here, shout out to the specialist,

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Speaker 1: let's call him who wrote in about the Cursed Submarine

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Speaker 1: episode gave us some amazing insight from somebody who really

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Speaker 1: Shout out to you, unnamed person. We may have to

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Speaker 1: bring that up in a later episode. And that's what

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Speaker 1: we're doing all day today, celebrating you, the most important

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Speaker 1: into it with our first message from someone we're going

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Speaker 1: to call Schmidt. Hey, I listened to you guys to

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Speaker 1: show a lot. My name is Lusol Schmidt. I listened

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Speaker 1: to one of your previous EPs sometimes the last year

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Speaker 1: had heard about the jack Fish First Nation UFO crash

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Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy because they happened to be

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Speaker 1: Hell well, well, an unidentified flying vehicle that crashed on

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Speaker 1: right up our alley. It's exactly the kind of thing

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Speaker 1: Become a Ufologist? That ufology episode especially will explain why

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of your show. Over a decade ago,

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work you guys, do keep us

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Speaker 1: pictures of themselves, and the internet has a way of remembering,

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Speaker 1: you know, even if you get it all off. It's

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Speaker 1: like that hydra uh situation you're always describing bad When

431
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Speaker 1: you cut off one head, it grows back three more

432
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. Yeah, there there are some interesting

433
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: It's just okay, let's think of it as a thought experiment.

434
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Speaker 1: There are some interesting things and Jason, uh, Jase did

435
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Speaker 1: extraordinarily well. This is a difficult thing to do as

436
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Speaker 1: a serious pursuit, but you can. You can read a

437
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: lot of I don't know, I would say armchair advice

438
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Speaker 1: on some of this stuff. It's not the same thing

439
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: as hearing from someone who has firsthand experience. We know

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Speaker 1: the basics, uh, And I think you're right, Matt. We

441
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Speaker 1: do talk about it in previous episode, so you don't

442
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Speaker 1: have to explore it too much. But there is I

443
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Speaker 1: wonder if there's anyone who just decided to start over

444
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Speaker 1: without a compelling reason, like they were not being pursued

445
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Speaker 1: by law enforcement or persecuted by a government, they were

446
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Speaker 1: not in a dangerous, violent, personal relationship. They just woke

447
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Speaker 1: up one day and said, you know what, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go by Rupert Now, I'm gonna drive to Manitoba. I'm

449
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Speaker 1: gonna go by the name Rupert Peace surname, and I'm

450
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Speaker 1: gonna work at a factory. Because if you live in

451
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Speaker 1: modest enough existence and you don't have like a heavy

452
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Speaker 1: crime on you, you don't have a wealthy family, then

453
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: probably like after one to three years, they'll just consider that.

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Speaker 1: They'll just think you disappeared in the woods because naturally

455
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Speaker 1: you told a bunch of friends that you were going

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Speaker 1: camping and would be back in two weeks, just to

457
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Speaker 1: give you that margin of time, right, Yeah, And and

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Speaker 1: you left a canteen and one of your shirts that

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Speaker 1: was you know, worn for like two or three days

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Speaker 1: in a row. I had your scent on it, so

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Speaker 1: the dogs can find it. You went out in the woods,

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Speaker 1: You've left all that stuff there. Yeah, sure, sure. By

463
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Speaker 1: the way, I would pronounce it suriname or surreyname, just

464
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Speaker 1: just to make sure people don't catch on that your

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Speaker 1: last name is surname, right, right, like Dr Alucard in

466
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Speaker 1: every TV series mini series about vampires. Uh, I loved

467
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Speaker 1: your drop of arguidos there by the way, ben I

468
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: caught that. That was very good. We're slowly do it

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Speaker 1: a terrible job learning Portuguese, but we have We have

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Speaker 1: one more piece of mail, uh that also slight foreshadowing.

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Speaker 1: Has a rupert involved? What are we talking about? We'll

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Speaker 1: tell you after a word from our sponsor and we're back.

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Speaker 1: And the rupert in question uh for this segment of

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Speaker 1: a listener mail is one Rupert shell Drake, a very

475
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Speaker 1: fascinating figure, a scientist, British biologist who has put forth

476
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Speaker 1: some very interesting theories that have often been considered by

477
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: some critics in the scientific community to be pseudoscience, but

478
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: absolutely something that has some resonance for many others. And

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Speaker 1: this one comes from an anonymous listener calling in from

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Speaker 1: the road. Hey, greetings and salutations. Trucker's love stuff. They

481
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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Truckers also love um stuff

482
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Speaker 1: you should know. And I was just listening to an

483
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Speaker 1: episode of that. I'm sure you guys are all bosom buddies,

484
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Speaker 1: right wink wink. On morphic resonance, eating a sufficient quantity

485
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Speaker 1: of psilocybin might lead you to look into that a

486
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Speaker 1: little deeper. Don't eat thee liberty caps. Different kind of

487
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: much more toxic poison in those mushrooms. But if you

488
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Speaker 1: eat this right Phili cubensis um, even in micro doses,

489
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Speaker 1: you might understand what he's talking about. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: there's any you know, scientific evidence for the morphick resonance,

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00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: but the psilocybin will let you know there's a lot

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Speaker 1: more out there. We're all in tune somehow. It's like

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Speaker 1: the energy ways. Bro oh my god, I love that.

494
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Speaker 1: Lit up my my, my day, the ending sound effects

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Speaker 1: in particular, he gave us. He gave us a hog man.

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Speaker 1: He gave us a hog That's like the growing up.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the coolest road wise co signs you

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Speaker 1: can get. So thank you an non and to you, Yes,

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Speaker 1: what was that? Was that a reference to something? I

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Speaker 1: don't know what is it? You just saying we're pals

501
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: with with Josh and James. Yeah, that's true, that's true,

502
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: we are um. But yeah, like I said, this is

503
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Speaker 1: referencing something. That stuff You should note did an episode

504
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: on recently called morphic resonance or the study of morphic fields,

505
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: and this is a a field of study. Um that

506
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: it was was pioneered by this gentleman named Rupert Sheldrake,

507
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Speaker 1: and he is He's very much still alive. There's a

508
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Speaker 1: ted talk from him that you can see. Um he

509
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Speaker 1: was educated at Cambridge University. He earned a doctorate in

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Speaker 1: biochemistry there in nineteen sixty seven. He has been a

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Speaker 1: fellow and director of studies in biochemistry and cell biology

512
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Speaker 1: at Cambridge as well. And much like the interview we

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Speaker 1: did with Russell targ you know, who was absolutely an

514
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Speaker 1: m I. T um bona fide scientist, he decided that

515
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Speaker 1: the realm of study that he was more interested in

516
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: was one that maybe was considered by the scientific community

517
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Speaker 1: at large to be one not necessarily worth exploring, things

518
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: like psychic abilities or um this concept of morphic residents,

519
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: which really just refers to sort of the interconnectivity between

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Speaker 1: between life forms. UM so, for example, like the ocean

521
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: that I could feel you Ben, or you Matt, if

522
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Speaker 1: you were staring at me really hard, or if you

523
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: were thinking really hard about me, or um explains attempts

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Speaker 1: to explain the phenomenon behind how dogs are interconnected with

525
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Speaker 1: their masters and things like that. Our caller brought up

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Speaker 1: the idea of how this phenomenon, if it's a thing

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Speaker 1: could be enhanced by taking psychedelic mushrooms, which you know,

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Speaker 1: we we actually just talked about in our previous Strange

529
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Speaker 1: News episode about how this is something that's being used

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Speaker 1: to kind of breed connectivity between people and like the

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Speaker 1: idea of you know, end of life experiences and and

532
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Speaker 1: passing on to the other side or however you want

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Speaker 1: to look at it. Religion or spirituality, don't have to

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00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: enter into it at all. But yeah, this guy, Um

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Speaker 1: shell Drake has been much maligned by others in the field.

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Speaker 1: For example, UM one particular critic, John Maddox, who is

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Speaker 1: the editor of Nature, the journal Nature, referred to shell

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Speaker 1: Drake's ideas as quote heresy and said that they deserved

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Speaker 1: to be condemned. I disagree, disagree. I'm going back in

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Speaker 1: here because I have I feel like I've experienced morphic residence.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's why this whole thing exists, because it's sometimes

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Speaker 1: you feel like it. But it may also exist because

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00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: there's something to it and to connect that world with

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Speaker 1: our fungal friends over here, the uh psilocybin, the magic mushrooms.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring up something with you guys

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Speaker 1: that I know we've talked about a little bit before,

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Speaker 1: but thinking about the interconnectivity of a my celial network

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Speaker 1: and the way communication occurs, the distances that it can

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Speaker 1: travel um just with information passing underground unseen by anyone else.

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00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: Just try laying across um where one area of the network,

551
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: like when we're talking miles and miles away, knows what's

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Speaker 1: happening or gets a signal about what's happening from the

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Speaker 1: other side. It's an information super highway. It is fungal

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Speaker 1: internet essentially. That's how it works. It's not hyperbole. And

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Speaker 1: they're everywhere, everywhere below our feet. My celial networks exist,

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Speaker 1: and you know, our brains are doing the same thing.

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00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: We've got these very very uh specialized feelers and senses

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Speaker 1: that are able to experience the world externally. But ultimately

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00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: it's it's our own, you know, network up in that

560
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Speaker 1: cranium of ours that is sending very similar signals to

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Speaker 1: the mycelial network and experiencing externally in a lot of

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Speaker 1: ways that that they do too. I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what I'm s getting at here.

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Speaker 1: I just there's some connection here between the network the mushroom,

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Speaker 1: and then the way humans brains function and then interact

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Speaker 1: with one another. Right, Well, the brain itself is just

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Speaker 1: a network of cells communicating with each other through electrochemical means.

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Speaker 1: So the process, of course, the process is different. I

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Speaker 1: think what one important distinction of what shel Drake proposes

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Speaker 1: is that there is not necessarily a physical connection necessitated.

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Speaker 1: So the my celial networks do have physical connection. So

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00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: the idea here then is that uh, all organisms, all

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Speaker 1: things that we understand is living, are connected in a

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Speaker 1: way that does not necessitate a physical medium, and that

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Speaker 1: this connection can be a two way process similar to UM.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's say the T word. It's it's a

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Speaker 1: kind of idea of telepathy. And you know, maybe maybe

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00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy because there isn't a percent accepted proof

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00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: of telepathy. But I would also say we're still learning

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Speaker 1: a lot about plants, Like we just kind of figured

581
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Speaker 1: out that plants talked to each other, some of them

582
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Speaker 1: scream when they die, you know, like more humans are

583
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: not as unique as we think. UM, I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: And there's a really cool blog post on Scientific American

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Speaker 1: by someone named John Horgan, who himself is a is

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Speaker 1: a is a science writer, and he presented at an

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Speaker 1: event or some kind of conference with shell Drake, and

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00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: while was kind of skeptical of him, in interacting with

589
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Speaker 1: him personally, really kind of gave his work a second

590
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: look and a second thought. And he um had some

591
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Speaker 1: really interesting things to say about their shared uh fast,

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Speaker 1: I don't know they're they're shared philosophy. I guess on

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Speaker 1: the types of research that shell Drake does. UM. He

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Speaker 1: described their my and set as this and the writer

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00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: of this blog post wrote a book called The End

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00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: of Science UM and he says, we both this is

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Speaker 1: shel Drake speaking of him and Organ's kind of shared philosophy.

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Speaker 1: We both agree that science is at present limited by

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Speaker 1: assumptions that restrict inquiry, and we agree that there are

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Speaker 1: major unsolved problems about consciousness, cosmology, and other areas of science.

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00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I am proposing testable hypotheses that could take us forward

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00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: and open up new frontiers of scientific inquiry. I think

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00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: that's spot on. I mean, we don't know how the

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Speaker 1: brain works exactly. We we we know how the brain

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Speaker 1: works as an organ sort of, but we don't know

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Speaker 1: how consciousness works. We don't know what it is. This

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Speaker 1: this oneness that makes us a human being, you know,

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Speaker 1: with with feelings, and we don't understand any of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So the idea that that stuff isn't worth studying seems

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Speaker 1: so shortsighted to me, you know. Yeah, yeah, I think oftentimes,

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Speaker 1: and people when people say skepticism is the default position,

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00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: they're conflating that with a refusal to investigate something. Right,

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Speaker 1: critical thinking demands that you actually get in the weeds

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00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: about stuff. Maybe that's not the best turn of phrase

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Speaker 1: to use, since I basically said I I think plants

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Speaker 1: might have some sort of weird consciousness. But so there's

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Speaker 1: another scientific American post by Michael Schermer, publisher of skeptic

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Speaker 1: dot com, and he also wrote a book called The

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Speaker 1: Science of Good and Evil, and he has an interesting

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Speaker 1: note about morphic residence. Of course, he's coming from a

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Speaker 1: very very skeptical place, but he has an interchange with

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Speaker 1: shel Drake about the folks who dismissed the existence or

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Speaker 1: the proposed existence of the morphic field. And I wanted

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Speaker 1: to read this. I wanted to get you guys take

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Speaker 1: so after LA, now, all the problems skeptics would have

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Speaker 1: with the concept of morphic field the way it's been

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Speaker 1: tested in the past. ChIL Drake responds that skeptics dampen

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00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: the morphic field themselves, whereas believers enhance it. And he

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Speaker 1: said about one skeptic, he said, quote, perhaps his negative

630
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Speaker 1: expectations consciously or unconsciously influence the way he looked at

631
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Speaker 1: the subjects. So maybe it's difficult because then that makes

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00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: it difficult to disprove or prove anything. It works because

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Speaker 1: I believed in it, or it didn't work because you

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00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: didn't believe in it, not because it's not real, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, and you hear that. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say excuse, but that reasoning behind a

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Speaker 1: lot of magic, magic thinking things where even something as

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Speaker 1: simil as a Weigia board, if you if you believe,

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00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: then it's going to happen. Um, I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: feels like the double slit experiment of bit with particle physics.

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Speaker 1: It also it also feels like a bit of the

642
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Speaker 1: other mind over matter conversations we've had in the past.

643
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: We know mental state is a critical piece of recovery

644
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: from grievous injury, right. We know that the state of

645
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: your mind affects your body in real, quantitative and predictable

646
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Speaker 1: at times ways. But but to your point, no, it doesn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it does seem like whether whether or not people feel

648
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Speaker 1: they can easily easily dismiss this, it does seem shortsighted

649
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Speaker 1: to say, we assume we can dismiss this, therefore we

650
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Speaker 1: shall not consider it, you know what I mean, that's

651
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Speaker 1: very head in the sand. Well, it also would discount

652
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: so much scientific innovation and folks that, you know, question

653
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Speaker 1: whether the Earth was flat. That was a radical idea

654
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Speaker 1: at the time, you know. And now, I mean, obviously

655
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Speaker 1: there's still a handful of folks that think that, but

656
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Speaker 1: largely we've pushed path to that, and and that's helped

657
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Speaker 1: inform a lot of other things that we know and

658
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Speaker 1: understand about the universe and about about the planet and

659
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: about you know, humankind. So if the person, if there

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Speaker 1: was never that person that made that push and was like, no,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't care what the you know,

662
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Speaker 1: the status quo says, I'm gonna keep pushing. And I

663
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: think that's what the Shell Drake guy is. And again

664
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Speaker 1: also that Russell targ which is one of my favorite

665
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Speaker 1: interviews we've ever done. I'm talking about his book Third

666
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Eye Spies and the CIA program of Remote Viewing that

667
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Speaker 1: he was instrumental in, and I swear to god he

668
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Speaker 1: had to have been the guy that Egan Spangler and

669
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Speaker 1: Ghostbusters was based on. Looks just like him and has

670
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: the similar kind of vibes um. But you know, uh,

671
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: people get called a quack until they're called, you know, genius.

672
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: I think we should remember too, that the evolution of science,

673
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: what acute phrase there is riddled with stories of scientists

674
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: being criticized, defamed, hunted, church killed because they wanted to

675
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Speaker 1: investigate something that they were either one not allowed to

676
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: investigate or they found something in their investigation that they

677
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Speaker 1: were not allowed to prove. Never forget. This same species

678
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: not too long ago killed the guy who figured out

679
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Speaker 1: that you can save lives by washing your hands, Ignaz

680
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: semul Vice. He just said, hey, maybe you know, not

681
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: even everybody. Don't everybody wash your hands. If you're a

682
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: doctor and you're gonna do surgery, then wash your hands.

683
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: And people treated that like it was crazy. They literally

684
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Speaker 1: put him in his in a sane asylum and beat

685
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Speaker 1: the snot out of him and he died there totally.

686
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Speaker 1: Or even we talked about the other day, um on

687
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Speaker 1: an episode that may or may not yet. Uh. You know,

688
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: how the government can you know, redact a patent, you know,

689
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Speaker 1: if they think it's something that's going to quote unquote

690
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Speaker 1: you know, threatened national security or whatever for their reason

691
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Speaker 1: they might be. I don't know that they have to

692
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Speaker 1: even explain it super well. They can, you know, basically

693
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Speaker 1: put the kai bosh on someone's invention, someone's intellectual property

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Speaker 1: and and and essentially take it from them, you know,

695
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Speaker 1: because they think it's a threat in some way to

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Speaker 1: some form of this perception of national security or the

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Speaker 1: greater good, you know. Yeah. Yeah. However, please don't mistake

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Speaker 1: this as me saying I'm one on board with Rupert

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Speaker 1: Sheldrake's work. I haven't read a lot of his work.

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00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what ton of stuff about him. I

701
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: think we have many, many things to discover about psilocybin,

702
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: for sure, and the human brain and how it how

703
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: it communicates what the hardware and the software is. Right.

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00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: But like, here's an example to really make shell Drake understandable,

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00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: the concept of the morphic field. So, if the morphic

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Speaker 1: field exists and it works in the way that shel

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00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Drake pictures it. Then if you get up one set

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Speaker 1: atter day and you want to do a crossword puzzle,

709
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: the crossword puzzle will be easier later in the day

710
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: because other people have been doing the crossword puzzle and

711
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: their collective success is resonating through the more fake field.

712
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: Like that's an example of how this would work. Does

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00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: that make sense? Hmm? Totally? I mean it, yes, that

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00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: the example makes sense, but it's a tough thing to

715
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: wrap your head around, I guess as in that could

716
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: be true absolutely, Matt. And also just to to piggyback

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Speaker 1: on something that Ben says, I, I too, have not

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00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: really dived deep into this man's work. This was my

719
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Speaker 1: first encounter with him looking into this for this listener

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Speaker 1: mail response, and I'm fascinated. I think he has some

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Speaker 1: very pithy things to say about what we literally just

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Speaker 1: talked about about the ability for you know, scientists to

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Speaker 1: explore things that maybe the establishment of a scientific community

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Speaker 1: would you know, sort of stick their nose up at that.

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00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: That in and of itself is enough for me to

726
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: want to dig deeper. But this is a really good

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00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: kind of encapsulation of his whole philosophy um and I

728
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: think it drives a lot with what we were just

729
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: talking about. He says, science believes animals and plants are

730
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: all just unconscious automatons. The whole of nature is unconscious

731
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: except for human beings. We're the only smart guys in

732
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: the whole universe and somehow figured out how everything works,

733
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: and that means through science we can manipulate nature and

734
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: improve products for corporations, says then shel Drake pauses and says,

735
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: Descartes believe the only kind of mind was the conscious mind.

736
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Then Freud reinvented the unconscious. Then Young said it wasn't

737
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: just a personal unconscious, but a collective unconscious. Morphic residence

738
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: shows us that our very souls are connected with those

739
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: of others and bound up with the world around us.

740
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: Existence of the soul. I know it sounds horrible though.

741
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: That's my first that's my person epic. But I think

742
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: you're right, that is that is a great quote. I

743
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: want to also say a non thank you for ha ha,

744
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: thank you for calling us. We have to mention the

745
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: hundred monkey effect. That's the idea that a a new

746
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: behavior can somehow appear to spread rapidly through unexplained means

747
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: from a single group to every other related group once

748
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: there's this kind of critical mass of cognizance or knowledge

749
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: of a task. It's called the hundredth monkey thing because

750
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: of this study that was conducted in the fifties on

751
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: Japanese monkeys, and they saw okay, So the the idea

752
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: is that there are these unrelated populations of the same

753
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: kind of living thing, right, and at some point a

754
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: few of them say, I'm just making up stuff here.

755
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: At some point a few of them learn to baby

756
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: wash food or maybe to hunt with tools like the

757
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,959
Speaker 1: stab fish or something with a stick, and they teach

758
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: this to other members of their group. And then eventually,

759
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: for no discernible reason, a group of the same species,

760
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: maybe across the country, across the world, suddenly appears to

761
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: have that knowledge. How did it get there? Right, It's

762
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: a mystery, but I think that would apply. That would

763
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: be something worth exploring for fans of more FIC residents.

764
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, have you guys heard of that theory? Now,

765
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: we've talked. We talked about it on the show before. Yes, Yes,

766
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: I've definitely heard of this. Um. Yeah, and I think

767
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: it was the last year when we were talking about

768
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: No that wasn't the stoned apes theory there we did

769
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: one on magic mushrooms and the and Jesus Um. I

770
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: cannot recall exactly when maybe somebody out there listening remembers.

771
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: It also reminds me of the stoned ape theory that

772
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: Terence McKenna always talks about Um. By the way, Terrence

773
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: McKenna and and shel Drake, we're pals um Terence mackin

774
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: of the kind of pioneering psycho, not the notion that

775
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, it was the eighth, that eighth, the psychedelic

776
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: mushroom that gave him more visual acuity and connection with

777
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: the surroundings to become a better hunter Um and all

778
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: of that stuff. So it does remind me of that.

779
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: And to be clear, like morphic residents, the concept of

780
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: the hundred monkey is not accepted in the Ivory towers,

781
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: it's not accepted in academia, it's not accepted by mainstream science.

782
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: It's a matter of fact. The test that the urban

783
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: legend was based off there the colony of monkeys, there

784
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: was only about fifty nine I think, so there actually

785
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: was no physical hundredth monkey. But how cool would it

786
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: be if it's true? How cool to be if there

787
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: were Oh man, well, hey, this has been a great,

788
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: great episode. Guys, thank you everybody who wrote to us,

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00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: who called in this is this has been fabulous. I

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00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: think it Who was it Schmidt? Yes, you're right, Matt.

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00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: Thank you to Schmidt. Thank you to Jason, Thank you too,

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00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: Anonymous for calling in for writing to us. As always,

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Speaker 1: we can't wait to hear from you. Code named Doc

794
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: Holiday pointed out that we may be getting a lot

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Speaker 1: more correspondence because this is a regular weekly segment. So

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Speaker 1: please let us know if you can prove morphic residence,

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Speaker 1: military aircraft, let us know if you have disappeared completely

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