Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast.
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Speaker 1: That's right. Welcome to another episode of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal sitting in a totally empty room.
Speaker 1: There's like no heroes here. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I count as a hero today without American Dan. But
Speaker 1: it's a different sort of show today. It's an extra
Speaker 1: bonus episode. We're very excited to welcome the Fantasy footballers
Speaker 1: to the NFL media family. They're doing Extra Dynasty podcast
Speaker 1: as part of the NFL Podcast, so we're gonna have
Speaker 1: them in here. A little quick get ready for the
Speaker 1: season fantasy cram session with the fantasy footballers in just
Speaker 1: a minute. But since I'm here taping on a Friday afternoon,
Speaker 1: I figured we would hit news very quickly of what
Speaker 1: we saw Thursday. Get you ready for the weekend. Again.
Speaker 1: It's a little bonus extra minisod and I got to
Speaker 1: start with Anthony Richardson and the Colts. Just some takeaways
Speaker 1: from the preseason games, a little bit of news, we
Speaker 1: get to the fantasy footballers, we get you out of
Speaker 1: here in about thirty minutes. Richardson is just crazy. Anthony
Speaker 1: Richardson is box office. I've never been more surprised to
Speaker 1: look at the box score at the end of a
Speaker 1: game and see how poorly Anthony Richardson looked in that
Speaker 1: box score. I know it was six for seventeen seventy
Speaker 1: eight yards. It sounds ugly. He had some rushing yards,
Speaker 1: but if you watch that game, you saw so many
Speaker 1: special attributes that I just can't wait to watch the
Speaker 1: Colts this year. He made three or four beautiful passes,
Speaker 1: he made three or four really head scratching passes, but
Speaker 1: it's the running nobility that gets you really excited. He
Speaker 1: is so smooth running, but he's built like Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: And they showed a little of what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: And I'm just so happy he got drafted by Shane
Speaker 1: Steike and I can't wait to watch Anthony Richardson and
Speaker 1: the Colts. Reminds me a little bit of Josh Allen
Speaker 1: coming out as a rookie. But to me, because of
Speaker 1: the pocket presence, and you saw that in this game.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing about Richardson that's different than most
Speaker 1: raw rookies. He is really natural in the pocket, buying
Speaker 1: time and moving around. I think he's gonna make good
Speaker 1: decisions I think he's gonna miss a lot of passes.
Speaker 1: But this game actually got me more excited to watch
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. And we're gonna talk with the fantasy footballers
Speaker 1: a little later of what you should do with him
Speaker 1: in fantasy drafts. Otherwise, not a lot to take out
Speaker 1: of that Colts Eagles game. Tanner McKee might get the
Speaker 1: backup job there, I doubt it. I think Marcus Mariota
Speaker 1: makes that team. They keep three quarterbacks. The Steelers and
Speaker 1: Falcons also played, and as the Falcons broadcast crew wanted
Speaker 1: to remind everyone the backups played for the Falcons, and
Speaker 1: it was hilarious because the Steelers' starters just made them
Speaker 1: look like they shouldn't even be in the NFL. It
Speaker 1: was seventeen nothing before the first quarter was over, twenty
Speaker 1: four nothing in general. And my only take is like
Speaker 1: Steelers aren't gonna go cheap in your fantasy draft. And
Speaker 1: next week, when you get all the NFL dot Com
Speaker 1: predictions and you see all the season predictions from everyone,
Speaker 1: they are that team this year that a month ago
Speaker 1: maybe would not have gotten as many predictions to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs as they will right now. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: that buzzy hype team that Mark's been talking about all offseason.
Speaker 1: He was first on that train. But they've just had
Speaker 1: a perfect preseason. Five possessions, five touchdowns. That's outrageous. Just
Speaker 1: a little bit of news to clean up before we
Speaker 1: get to the fantasy footballers. Jonathan Taylor. We know he's available,
Speaker 1: we know he might get dealt by Tuesday, that supposedly
Speaker 1: the deadline on this move. The Dolphins seem to be
Speaker 1: the team that's really making a push. The reporting in
Speaker 1: Miami from Barry Jackson others at the Miami Herald is
Speaker 1: like they have made a real offer. They are trying
Speaker 1: to get this done. And I gotta say, looking at
Speaker 1: that kid, haull Evan Hall for the Colts look pretty
Speaker 1: good as a running back in place with Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 1: maybe they'd feel a little more confident making that move.
Speaker 1: I think it's more likely than I really ever expected
Speaker 1: that Jonathan Taylor does get moved by Tuesday. There have
Speaker 1: been a couple trades, and we mentioned the first two
Speaker 1: Cardinals trades on our show on Thursday with Dan and Mark,
Speaker 1: but there was another one after we stopped taping. Josh
Speaker 1: Dobbs is a quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. And it
Speaker 1: was for a late round pickswap a fifth for a seventh.
Speaker 1: That's nothing. And yet Josh Dobbs might end up starting
Speaker 1: at quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. He might start in
Speaker 1: Week one, which is crazy. He knows the system. He
Speaker 1: had his coach in Cleveland last year is now the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for the Cardinals. He might start later in
Speaker 1: the season. And I do worry a little bit about
Speaker 1: Mark's boy, Colt McCoy. He has a little over two
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed coming to him this year. But bringing
Speaker 1: in Josh jobs unless you want to keep Colt McCoy
Speaker 1: around as kind of the coach slash player slash mentor
Speaker 1: that it's good to have in the room. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: totally shock me if Colt McCoy was cut before the
Speaker 1: season starts and Josh Dobbs is your number one starter,
Speaker 1: Or if Clayton Tune, the fifth round rookie who hasn't
Speaker 1: even looked that great but hasn't looked bad either in
Speaker 1: the preseason and it's still getting first team reps alongside
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy, ends up starting. So that is a total
Speaker 1: mess that the Cardinals are possibly getting a starter for
Speaker 1: a late round pickswap just before the season started. Finally,
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, we learned he might not be ready for
Speaker 1: the start of the season. That is really worries. Some
Speaker 1: turf toe just freaks me out whenever that happens. And
Speaker 1: just a little bit of an update on the Jerry
Speaker 1: Judy hamstring injury since we last taped. He is going
Speaker 1: to be out several weeks, which puts week one very
Speaker 1: much in doubt for Judy. That gets you caught up,
Speaker 1: I think on everything that's happened since we last taped.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the fantasy footballers in here in just
Speaker 1: a minute, some last minute prep to get you ready
Speaker 1: for your fantasy draft. But before we do that, just
Speaker 1: a reminder Dan announced it on Thursday. We're not doing
Speaker 1: the special music today, are we? Randy? No special music today?
Speaker 1: We got Randy Chavez behind the glass today stepping in
Speaker 1: for Eric. We don't need special music when I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm the special music. But NFL Plus is where you
Speaker 1: can get all your live local games, you can get
Speaker 1: primetime games, and more importantly, you can get us a
Speaker 1: couple times a week. We are going to be doing
Speaker 1: two NFL Plus shows a week starting during the season.
Speaker 1: We're going to be looking back at one of the
Speaker 1: best games of the week. We're also going to do
Speaker 1: some of the segments that you love that we've done
Speaker 1: over the years. Every Thursday, you get Game Pass with it,
Speaker 1: you get the live games, as I mentioned, you get
Speaker 1: Red Zone, you get NFL Network. It's all there on
Speaker 1: NFL Plus. And we do appreciate a lot of you
Speaker 1: guys reached out and said you're already picking it up
Speaker 1: for us. Try to keep us employed. We have families
Speaker 1: defeed and with that, we're gonna take a little break.
Speaker 1: All right, we are back. I am excited about this one.
Speaker 1: It's a different vibe, it's a different Chris Westling podcast studio. Today.
Speaker 1: I am out numbered. I'm out numbered by the Fantasy Footballers.
Speaker 1: I happen to look at like the iTunes ratings. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you guys do this.
Speaker 2: And what was at the top.
Speaker 1: And if this is their time of year, but really
Speaker 1: any time of year. I looked at the ratings and
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Footballers podcast was number one on the sports ratings.
Speaker 1: So we're really excited to have them, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore,
Speaker 1: and Mike Wright are here. They're doing a new podcast
Speaker 1: with NFL Media, which is the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast.
Speaker 1: I believe you're taping one of those today too, and
Speaker 1: that's already started getting going. But we're gonna talk regular
Speaker 1: fantasy Dynasty. Fantasy Welcome. I don't even know who to
Speaker 1: say welcome to. There's too many.
Speaker 3: We're happy to be here. It's exciting.
Speaker 4: Everyone's undefeated in the fantasy football world, so they're all listening, and.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's like a new relationship here
Speaker 1: with the NFL. Everyone's trying to like look right, you know.
Speaker 1: Everyone combed their hair nice. It's like a first date
Speaker 1: sort of vibe, like the real the real vibes will
Speaker 1: come out like after we expect. Yeah, I'll just stop
Speaker 1: combing my hair. Okay, it'll just get ugly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got makeup on, so you do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, as you know. So I'm trying to
Speaker 5: put my best foot forward here.
Speaker 1: That is exciting. So that's Jason. I guess it's gotta
Speaker 1: be hard for you guys who are listening, but to
Speaker 1: my left, if you're happy to check us out, on
Speaker 1: social or YouTube. Is Mike right and Andy on the
Speaker 1: far right, and we got Jason here and it's your time, yere.
Speaker 1: I used to work at road the world, and so
Speaker 1: I know August is kind of the craziest time, the
Speaker 1: most stressful time, but also the most fun time. It's
Speaker 1: when you where you make your bunny.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, August is when everybody comes back. All the you know,
Speaker 5: we do the show year round, but in August, all
Speaker 5: the casual people, the people in their home leagues, their
Speaker 5: work leagues, they all flood back and like, oh, I gotta,
Speaker 5: I gotta prepare for my draft. It's so much fun,
Speaker 5: but it's so much work because the content doesn't right itself.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Once the season kicks off, it's like we're just talking
Speaker 5: about what happened or what's about to happen. Now, it's
Speaker 5: like we've got to We've got to talk about so much.
Speaker 3: Time to look into the future.
Speaker 1: Who's the best out of you guys, Is one of
Speaker 1: you better at fantasy?
Speaker 5: Well? How do we just I would just define it
Speaker 5: by who's the most recent champion in our main league's That.
Speaker 2: Would be a total amount total championships for our league
Speaker 2: of record that's how I would do it, and I
Speaker 2: would do recent current basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right in the middle.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're going to talk today. You guys
Speaker 1: are doing the Dynasty Pod and the most intense fantasy
Speaker 1: league I ever was in with the best competition. What
Speaker 1: was a Dynasty league back in the day, And for
Speaker 1: our listeners that don't do Dynasty, that's that's a league
Speaker 1: where you it's a keeper league where you basically keep
Speaker 1: your players for and you have rookie drafts and everyone
Speaker 1: has different variations. So that is going to be really
Speaker 1: cool podcast. I thought we would maybe structure our conversation
Speaker 1: today around rookies because rookies are kind of the lifeblood
Speaker 1: of Dynasty. But so we'll talk redrafty and Dynasty. But
Speaker 1: just coming off last night, for instance, Anthony Richardson look great.
Speaker 1: That to me is like the maybe the number one
Speaker 1: question with the rookie, certainly the rookie quarterbacks. I'll start
Speaker 1: with you, Mike.
Speaker 2: Just like.
Speaker 1: Dynasty wise, I'm curious too. But but redraft, now that
Speaker 1: we know he's actually playing Week one, like, where is
Speaker 1: he on your like Lamar Jackson as a rookie, uh
Speaker 1: to Trevor Lawrence as a rookie continuum.
Speaker 2: Well that that's that's interesting because I mean.
Speaker 1: Because like Lamar, not enough people took high enough in
Speaker 1: their fantasy. He was ultimately under under value sophomore her
Speaker 1: sophomore y.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like if you're comparing rookie Lamar, Right,
Speaker 2: that's more of how I think that the Anthony Richardson
Speaker 2: his first year is gonna go. I think it. I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be tough, like for him to translate
Speaker 2: that inaccuracy that he had in college. He just he's
Speaker 2: he is a raw prospect. But I mean, the all
Speaker 2: the tools are there that you especially for fantasy, like
Speaker 2: if if you're in fantasy, you should be.
Speaker 1: Hyped for like how high.
Speaker 2: So if we're talking redraft, I think is ADP he's
Speaker 2: going like quarterback eleven? I think, oh, right around eleven.
Speaker 2: I think that's it's fine that The hard part for
Speaker 2: Richardson though, is like are you gonna get rookie cam
Speaker 2: Newton or are you gonna get rookie Lamar? Which Lamar,
Speaker 2: I'm not talking games play, but like Lamar, once he
Speaker 2: finally started, it was he won games for the Ravens,
Speaker 2: but it was not pretty the fact that Lamar went
Speaker 2: from that as a rookie to the MVP the next
Speaker 2: year was pretty absurd. So I'm on the side of
Speaker 2: I like taking him in redraft, but you have you
Speaker 2: almost have to have a backup plan, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to leave my draft usually with two quarterbacks if
Speaker 2: I'm of course, I'm in a single quarterback league. So
Speaker 2: that's where it becomes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if the Geno Smith plan g yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's really what it has become on our show.
Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson and Gino Smith pair perfect together because I
Speaker 5: think it's gonna take a little bit of time for
Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson to get good. If you look at like
Speaker 5: Josh Allen's rookie year and he's he's probably the best
Speaker 5: comp because he was very inaccurate as well, but a
Speaker 5: physical freak. And the first half of his rookie season
Speaker 5: he didn't run that much. He wasn't good for fantasy,
Speaker 5: got injured after the bye week, and he came back,
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, he was so good for fantasy. And
Speaker 5: I think the second half of the year for Anthony
Speaker 5: Richardson will be good. I think he's talented, but Gino
Speaker 5: Smith costs you nothing. You can get him late in
Speaker 5: the draft as your second quarterback, and then I believe
Speaker 5: he opens the year with the the Rams and the
Speaker 5: Lions as matchups. So it's like, yes, please, I'll start
Speaker 5: Geno those two weeks while we wait and let Anthony
Speaker 5: Richardson kind of figure out NFL speed.
Speaker 1: This is the friendliest Geno Smith podcast on the plane.
Speaker 4: These two guys are just like fully in the Geno
Speaker 4: Smith camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the most accurate quarterback last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you can see.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it was more like a seven
Speaker 1: to eight year long I wouldn't call it a bit
Speaker 1: because I believed it that they did him wrong and
Speaker 1: that he was better than everyone that like. For that
Speaker 1: to come it is weird. You've got true You're in
Speaker 1: your ninth or tenth season doing the podcast that is
Speaker 1: essentially my version of winning the Super Bowl. Is just
Speaker 1: making my co host miserable talking about Genus nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to get back to the rookies, like
Speaker 4: you talked about the accuracy, Like Justin Field's rookie season
Speaker 4: wasn't one to watch. I mean, and even players like
Speaker 4: Andrew Luck bad accuracy as a rookie. You're hoping to
Speaker 4: roll the dice and get a better than average quarterback
Speaker 4: at that stage in your draft, because that's how you win,
Speaker 4: right that the value quarterback that has a high upside,
Speaker 4: trying to cash in on the rushing prowess. You're making
Speaker 4: that bet and least you don't have to spind up
Speaker 4: on Richardson. It'd be nice if Jonathan Taylor was behind
Speaker 4: behind him and running interference so he doesn't have to
Speaker 4: do everything, almost like.
Speaker 2: You're hoping for you're hoping for Cam Newton. But like
Speaker 2: if you got RG three's rookie year, sure that was
Speaker 2: that was pretty.
Speaker 1: Pretty good off the top too, and good passing. I
Speaker 1: guess I probably would be that person that takes him
Speaker 1: early because I just mean, it's just sort of the
Speaker 1: eyeball thing watching run the ball. That is there like
Speaker 1: a fifty chance he breaks the all time record for
Speaker 1: rushing yards by a quarterback.
Speaker 2: In a season.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's high you guys think high.
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty high. Is still playing.
Speaker 1: I guess you have to like keep you have to
Speaker 1: hold onto the ball and make first downs, and you
Speaker 1: have to score points on paper to get there. But
Speaker 1: just the actual running ability and the willingness to do it.
Speaker 1: I to me, he could be better than fielding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the magic sauce for fantasy. Like if you
Speaker 4: can run on the football, you're going to overlook the
Speaker 4: accuracy numbers. As a rookie, you're going to overlook, you know,
Speaker 4: the total yardage because you run the football to cheat code.
Speaker 1: So you take him way ahead of Young and Stroud
Speaker 1: even in Dynasty.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: I think because you're you're shooting for for league winning
Speaker 4: upside at the position over a long duration. I mean,
Speaker 4: the people that ended up with the justin Fields and
Speaker 4: Dynasty or Josh Allen in Dynasty, you know you're not
Speaker 4: aiming from the middle of the pack.
Speaker 3: So I would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind.
Speaker 4: I think Bryce Young is gonna be a good pro though.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's going to come to fruition.
Speaker 2: But I'm a Stroud guy. I had C J. Stroud
Speaker 2: is my number one quarterback and it's going to take him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In Dynasty, just because I like taking the shot on
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson, I think it's it's a good bet because
Speaker 2: if it pays off versus if Stroud pays off, He's
Speaker 2: like top three is probably not there. He could just
Speaker 2: be like a top ten type of guy with with
Speaker 2: regular consistency, or Richardson could be a top three fantasy quarterback.
Speaker 2: But I'm more on the side of we got a
Speaker 2: long way to go before that happens. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed watching that game, and my son's there watching
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, man, this guy's going to change
Speaker 1: the league. And then I looked at the box seventeen.
Speaker 1: I was just like, how did that was? I Possibly
Speaker 1: that's the best player I've ever seen, So you might
Speaker 1: get a little bit of that in my mind. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's like he could have a Daniel Jones type of season,
Speaker 1: like Jena Jones had about as little as you could
Speaker 1: ask for last years and yeah, still enough running to
Speaker 1: make up for Let's talk the running backs. How high
Speaker 1: do you go with Bijon Robinson. I was sort of
Speaker 1: on the corner that because we did a fantasy show
Speaker 1: last week, we're not experts. We do like one big
Speaker 1: show a year now, two big shows a year now
Speaker 1: that we got you guys here, and I was surprised
Speaker 1: he's going at the end of the first round. To me, like,
Speaker 1: there has to be a chance that he's RB one
Speaker 1: at the end of the year on that team. So
Speaker 1: to me, that gives him like maybe after McCaffrey, he's
Speaker 1: a top five overall type of pick. Is that too excited?
Speaker 2: No, that's not too excited.
Speaker 5: He's so good, he's I mean, he's like, obviously he's
Speaker 5: he's one of the best talents, one of the best
Speaker 5: prospects we've seen in a long long time, and every
Speaker 5: step of the way he just keeps like proving it.
Speaker 5: And you know he was supposed to be when he
Speaker 5: came into college. Then he dominated that he was supposed
Speaker 5: to be drafted High's top ten. Then you look at
Speaker 5: him at camp, he's dominating, making these absurd plays. Then
Speaker 5: you see him in the first preseason game, You're like,
Speaker 5: he's just different than everybody. And and when I look
Speaker 5: at Fantasy it's like, Okay, yeah, there are other more
Speaker 5: known commodities that are still great players in the first round.
Speaker 5: I don't have any problem if you want to say
Speaker 5: I'd rather have Nick Chubb because he's such a great
Speaker 5: running back and I know what I got. But I
Speaker 5: think if you said, who has a higher chance to
Speaker 5: be the number one overall consensus pick in next year's
Speaker 5: draft is Bijon. Bijon has a good chance to be
Speaker 5: next year's number one, so let me draft him before
Speaker 5: he's next year's number one. You know, I don't have
Speaker 5: any problem with anybody who would take him one on
Speaker 5: one in this Personally, he's probably I wouldn't take him
Speaker 5: over Justin Jefferson or Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: But he's in debate. He was there at three.
Speaker 3: He was drafted in Jason's hart long ago. Yeah, number
Speaker 3: one overall.
Speaker 2: We have a special audio drop on our on on
Speaker 2: the Footballer's main podcast called the Bejon Minute, because Jason
Speaker 2: has just been salivating because he works everything.
Speaker 1: He also got drafted by the Falcons. He also got
Speaker 1: drafted by a team that took over an offensive line
Speaker 1: that was like, that's the bad part of their team.
Speaker 1: And then by the end of last year, people are
Speaker 1: talking about like Chris Lenstrom might be the best guard
Speaker 1: in the league, and they're giving out extensions and they
Speaker 1: have all their guys back, so it's it's maybe the
Speaker 1: best running attack in the league, and you had it.
Speaker 2: Was it was bizarre that the Falcons looked at their
Speaker 2: team like we really need to upgrade at the running game.
Speaker 2: You know, you got the rest of your team that
Speaker 2: you should probably worry about, and you have a rookie
Speaker 2: that just broke your your rookie record for your team
Speaker 2: on the ground.
Speaker 4: I think part of it is just a confidence in
Speaker 4: like you know, obviously, winning football teams, those running backs
Speaker 4: end up with great scoring opportunities. B Jhon is gonna
Speaker 4: get so many touches. But McCaffrey's on a team. We
Speaker 4: have more confidence in their you know, their win loss record, Eckler,
Speaker 4: more confidence in the win loss record. You know, Bijehon
Speaker 4: is gonna have so many chances, and you hope the
Speaker 4: passing game work is there and the ball is relatively
Speaker 4: near him when it comes off of the hand of
Speaker 4: Desmond Ritter. I mean, I'm last year I went to
Speaker 4: bat for Kyle Pitts and then I have turned on
Speaker 4: on that take because it just became a relentless exercise
Speaker 4: in watching a man get open and then watch the
Speaker 4: ball not laying and he's got a wingspan he can
Speaker 4: get out and get the ball, and they still couldn't
Speaker 4: throw him, you know, they could Mariota couldn't get it
Speaker 4: near him. It became very difficult to watch that even.
Speaker 1: As father who suggested to his daughter to draft right
Speaker 1: every week. I'm just like, just keep him in your lineup.
Speaker 4: It's gonna I mean, in fantasy points, he led the
Speaker 4: league in ones that should have happened.
Speaker 3: But it's hard.
Speaker 4: And so this is me finding some reason to dislike
Speaker 4: Bijon would just be you know, Tyler Algierbrook the rookie
Speaker 4: record for Atlanta running a football of one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 3: Chances this year.
Speaker 4: You know, do you miss an opportunity here and there
Speaker 4: for Bijon around the goal line on a team that
Speaker 4: doesn't have as many.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Jason would never concede a point.
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing to me, and this is where
Speaker 1: I'm showing my age in terms of when I was
Speaker 1: writing fantasy and into fantasy, is is Bijon versus Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase and DeVante Adams and people are just smarter now
Speaker 1: to take wide receivers that it took like ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen years for people to catch up to that that
Speaker 1: I could understand that argument, But to me, he's he
Speaker 1: would be my no loger than RB two. So I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Jason. Where where would Gibbs be Jamar gibbsby
Speaker 1: and is he definitely just thinking Dynasty too. I just
Speaker 1: assume Bijon sort of the one oh one right now,
Speaker 1: But is Gibbs definitely the second running back in this class?
Speaker 1: And then where is he? More importantly for people drafting redraft.
Speaker 2: Sure as Dynasty easily the running back to he. I
Speaker 2: think in most drafts it was if you had one
Speaker 2: or two, it was a little bit of a difficult decision.
Speaker 2: Do you take Jackson Smith and Jigbow wide receiver of
Speaker 2: the Seahawks or do you look and be like, man,
Speaker 2: I really have a running back need and Jamier Gibbs.
Speaker 1: Or Richardson was crazy. He wasn't going up no, no,
Speaker 1: not a in a two quarterback.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, for sure. But Gibbs is just because his
Speaker 2: magic power is catching the ball. And if we get
Speaker 2: the workload that they wanted for DeAndre Swift, they just
Speaker 2: couldn't keep him on the field. If you actually get that,
Speaker 2: you're talking sixty plus receptions, one hundred and twenty something carries,
Speaker 2: and even though David Montgomery is there, Jamiir Gibbs is
Speaker 2: just he is a truly truly special player.
Speaker 4: You look at the rookie season for Alvin Kamara when
Speaker 4: he had mark ingram Right and both those players in
Speaker 4: that rushing offense were top fantasy options at running back.
Speaker 4: And that's the template that you set out for Jamiir
Speaker 4: Gibbs in my opinion, because you know there's gonna be
Speaker 4: a really good offense. He's gonna have tons of opportunities.
Speaker 4: And for a dynasty longevity, like the running back position
Speaker 4: in Dynasty is almost a mirage that you'd have a
Speaker 4: guy you could lock in to your lineup. You think
Speaker 4: you do, you put them in there, and then you
Speaker 4: wait like two years and then you're like they disappear.
Speaker 4: But if you catch the ball, you know, Kahmara has
Speaker 4: been relevant for this is his seventh season. Eckler longevity
Speaker 4: there that we have confidence in. You know, you can't
Speaker 4: put him ahead of b because John's gonna catch the
Speaker 4: ball too. But Jamiir Gibbs is high draft capital.
Speaker 1: Especially this year. They want to they want to prove
Speaker 1: everyone wrong that it was a bad pick that they
Speaker 1: reached for the pick, and the way they.
Speaker 2: Talk about oh no doubt, that's celebration at the draft, right,
Speaker 2: that could be something in terms of opportunity.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a David Montgomery believer in general, so
Speaker 1: to me, he'll just be kind of he's sager and
Speaker 1: that'll that'll help Gibbs get more. Do you have a
Speaker 1: strong number three, Jason.
Speaker 5: Strong number three for rookie running backs. So coming into
Speaker 5: the draft, my number two wasn't Gibbs. Before the NFL Draft,
Speaker 5: it was Zach Sharbonay. I just absolutely freaking think he's
Speaker 5: so good. He can he can catch the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he can catch the ball. He can move the pile. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: stupid Pete Carroll, you got to ruin things for fantasy
Speaker 5: football and take him because you've already got Kenneth Walker.
Speaker 5: You ruined good players. It's great for the Seahawks. Seahawks fans,
Speaker 5: I'm happy for you.
Speaker 2: No, we're not.
Speaker 5: Well, No, I'm not No, I'm lying, I am lying.
Speaker 5: I'm not actually happy for you. I'm very selfish and upset.
Speaker 5: But he is still the guy that I think I
Speaker 5: leave in that spot just based on talent. So there's
Speaker 5: not a clear number three to because at number three
Speaker 5: you could go a lot of different ways. Kendre Miller,
Speaker 5: is you know a player that I think is is
Speaker 5: worthy of that spot. There's you know, so many great
Speaker 5: running backs that I like this this season at the
Speaker 5: rookie position.
Speaker 3: One that just went down that.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was going to say, I've been a big
Speaker 5: fan of Devon a Chain. He's small, and so he
Speaker 5: gets knocked for oh, he's gonna get injured, and then
Speaker 5: then he gets injured, and you're like, Okay, I shouldn't
Speaker 5: have gone in on the small guy. But Gibbs is
Speaker 5: a small guy too. He's under two hundred p's.
Speaker 2: He's not a change small, but he is a bit smaller.
Speaker 3: I tank Bigsby.
Speaker 1: So I've got to take here, and this is where
Speaker 1: you know, you combine the real football fantasy and I
Speaker 1: think they drafted Zach Charbonay because they don't really see
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker as that guy. So this is one of
Speaker 1: those things I try to wait to look at average
Speaker 1: apt position until right before we do this show because
Speaker 1: having worked in the industry and stuff like, some things
Speaker 1: will just seem weird to me. And seeing sharbon Ay
Speaker 1: go so much lower than Walker, I look at their
Speaker 1: two profiles and I think like they partly drafted Zach
Speaker 1: Sharbonay because Kenneth is not really that dude, because he's
Speaker 1: not consistent in terms of like getting four or five
Speaker 1: six yard carries that Pete Carroll likes, and he's not
Speaker 1: that guy on passing downs. And so I look at
Speaker 1: that situation and this would be my tip, And you
Speaker 1: guys could disagree that, Like to me, sharbon is at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, I would guess is one
Speaker 1: A and Kenneth Walker in one B. And you guys
Speaker 1: are right that it's kind of a drag that they
Speaker 1: bring each other down, But especially because Walker might get
Speaker 1: hurt anyways, it would not surprise me, especially in week
Speaker 1: one with Walker having missed a lot of time, that
Speaker 1: Sharbona is getting a lot of work on a pretty
Speaker 1: good offense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really it's it's scary for Kenneth Walker because
Speaker 5: so when we do our rankings, we don't just like
Speaker 5: make a list of guys and order them and say
Speaker 5: I like this guy more than that guy. We actually
Speaker 5: stat out every single player on every single team and
Speaker 5: let what we believe the actual projections for the season
Speaker 5: are going to be dictate what our rankings are. And
Speaker 5: I have those guys ten spots apart. They're not that
Speaker 5: far apart. In my actual statistics. And the reason is
Speaker 5: because for fantasy the two most valuable things are catching
Speaker 5: the ball and scoring touchdowns, and those are those are
Speaker 5: what Zach Charboney does. You know, Kenneth Walker is gonna
Speaker 5: break off some awesome runs. You know he'll be highlight efficient,
Speaker 5: big plays between the twenties. But if they get down
Speaker 5: by the goal line and they put sharbon Ay in,
Speaker 5: that's gonna hurt Kenneth Walker a lot. And if you're
Speaker 5: in a two minute drill and it's it's charbon Ay,
Speaker 5: I mean, Charbone is so good.
Speaker 2: I just love him. Yeah, the Kenneth Walker, Uh, it's
Speaker 2: it's a it's a real wild card because Walker, he
Speaker 2: agreed he had some inefficiencies of like you often get
Speaker 2: zero yards at the goal line, wasn't very efficient, did
Speaker 2: get did not get in a lot despite the fact
Speaker 2: that I think he had one hundred percent of Seattle's
Speaker 2: goal line carries throughout the entire season, you would have
Speaker 2: expected more touchdowns. But he does have home run ability.
Speaker 2: And the Seahawks are just a real wild card of
Speaker 2: we had this exact same team, this exact same head coach.
Speaker 2: You're just a few years ago, you had Chris Carson
Speaker 2: basically one of the last picks of the NFL draft. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and had himself a really strong season. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: Chris Carson, this, this looks great. He's interesting going into
Speaker 2: next year. I bet Seattle addresses real needs on this
Speaker 2: this team else where the offensive line is a no
Speaker 2: first round for Shad Penny and it was well, now,
Speaker 2: everything history has told us first round running backs succeed
Speaker 2: like first round rookie running backs are almost always not
Speaker 2: just good great for fantasy football. And then Chris Carson
Speaker 2: kept the job. So that's the real wild card of
Speaker 2: a lot of the Beat reporters out of Seattle. They're
Speaker 2: all saying it's still gonna be ken Walker's job. He
Speaker 2: he missed some time he had he had the groin injury, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: my groin. He so he had an issue, but he
Speaker 2: came back and he went right back into to being
Speaker 2: number one. There was no like, well, maybe Sarbon is
Speaker 2: gonna get the first. No, it was back to Ken Walker.
Speaker 2: So at his ADP. I think it's risky and fragile,
Speaker 2: but the upside is still tremendous. Even though I'm I'm
Speaker 2: with Jason of like we were both very infatuated with
Speaker 2: sharbon Ay throughout the draft process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Seahawks are always throwing away no good. I
Speaker 1: remember Thomas Rawls, Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he rambled his way to some success for an for.
Speaker 1: A year before we let you go quickly. We'll talk receivers,
Speaker 1: but we'll go through it a quick We got to like, look,
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Footballers is their time of year. They're doing
Speaker 1: a fantasy show with I think they're talking with Marcus
Speaker 1: and Florio on Our Fantasy Show, and then they're doing
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Show, which everyone should check out.
Speaker 1: Do you just have a favorite between Addison Flowers JSN.
Speaker 1: I guess we could throw Quinton Johnson in there, but
Speaker 1: I feel like just where he is on the depth chart,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not quite in that here, mate, maybe even
Speaker 1: Jayden Reid, who's probably he's gonna have the starter, Like,
Speaker 1: do you have a do you have a favorite? Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll go around and start with Mike.
Speaker 2: It's Zay Flowers for me. I mean, Jordan Addison's a
Speaker 2: really close second for me. But what my belief in
Speaker 2: the transformation that the Ravens offense will see with Todd
Speaker 2: Monkin as the offensive coordinator, not only going into eleven personnel,
Speaker 2: not only going into a more pass heavy offense, but
Speaker 2: also up tempo, which is the complete opposite of what
Speaker 2: we've had for the Ravens, you know, in the last
Speaker 2: whatever forever. So I'm really interested in what their offense
Speaker 2: is going to do. And then the fact that you
Speaker 2: Lamar's being drafted as a top five quarterback justifiably so.
Speaker 2: And Zay Joe or Jay Flowers is his wide receiver one,
Speaker 2: but he's going in like the ninth round. So it's
Speaker 2: it's a weird thing of looking at the ADP market
Speaker 2: of well, if this is going to be a great,
Speaker 2: prolific quarterback, one top five quarterback, it would stand a reason.
Speaker 2: Of course, Mark Andrews is the number one target, but
Speaker 2: like the wide receiver one, if you can figure out
Speaker 2: who it is, it could be absolute fans gold. And
Speaker 2: what Zay Flowers has put on the field in preseason.
Speaker 1: That's Mike Camp too. He's one of those guys at
Speaker 1: the reporter people.
Speaker 2: Are whispering whispering, whispers.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: Look, I'll jump in real question. Jasn is still at
Speaker 4: the top of my list.
Speaker 2: Just even with what if he misses four weeks.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm taking the long view here. He's the most
Speaker 4: talented of the players he's going to have. He's one
Speaker 4: of those players that I think people want to find,
Speaker 4: you know, Metcalfin. Lockett's still talented still on the field,
Speaker 4: but talent wins out in the end. And that's the
Speaker 4: challenge of these like you know, even like Charbonnay for example,
Speaker 4: Like he's going to get ranked some place at the
Speaker 4: beginning of the year, but fantasy championships might be one
Speaker 4: over the last ten weeks or the last eight weeks
Speaker 4: of the year. So his his fantasy ranking now versus
Speaker 4: what he's valued, his value is at the end of
Speaker 4: the year, it changes. I still think Jayson got drafted
Speaker 4: there for a reason. This is a player that you know,
Speaker 4: Chris o'lave and Garrett Wilson heralded as is better than
Speaker 4: they were at Ohio State. So I still think at
Speaker 4: the end of the year, and in dynasty format.
Speaker 3: He's the g I prefer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it's it's pretty easy if this if
Speaker 5: we're talking about a dynasty league, it's jsn he is
Speaker 5: the best player. Yeah, he's a special, special talent. But
Speaker 5: if we're talking about redraft. Is Jordan Addison you have?
Speaker 5: He's so talented. He reminds me a lot of DeVonta Smith,
Speaker 5: a smaller guy but just completely ready for the NFL.
Speaker 5: Such a good route runner, Blitnikoff Award winner, really talented player.
Speaker 5: But then he goes to an opportunity this year for
Speaker 5: redraft where it's like you have a pass happy offense
Speaker 5: with a bad defense, where Adam Thielen, who just ran
Speaker 5: the third most routes of the last decade, is gone,
Speaker 5: and it might take him a week or two to
Speaker 5: like get into that role. Maybe he starts third on
Speaker 5: the depth chart week one, week two. But I love
Speaker 5: Jordan Addison this year. I think he's gonna finish the
Speaker 5: season helping people win championships.
Speaker 1: You remember when Justin Jefferson was the h couple. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I like Addison a lot, just
Speaker 1: the way he moves and Flowers. I can't really decide.
Speaker 1: I can't decide between those two. But it's it's crazy
Speaker 1: how wide receivers, how that's changed.
Speaker 2: Why not both? Sure?
Speaker 1: Right? Like rookie wide receivers used to come in the
Speaker 1: league and they would always get over drafted in fantasy.
Speaker 1: That was one of those things that like we'd trot
Speaker 1: out on our like column right before the season of
Speaker 1: like tips and stuff like that, and like football changes,
Speaker 1: that's no longer the case. If anything, they show up
Speaker 1: even better. One one last thing though, just as someone
Speaker 1: who's been in a podcast for a long time with
Speaker 1: a couple of other guys, like, how do you guys
Speaker 1: keep the relationship fresh?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, just take our time or do you
Speaker 1: all like hate each other?
Speaker 5: Now? No, No, we really we get along. I mean
Speaker 5: I think that's part of the secret sauce of our
Speaker 5: We just are who we are. We've been friends for
Speaker 5: a decade, we've worked together in a former business, and
Speaker 5: and you know, I think we give each other enough
Speaker 5: crap that that's what keeps the love alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we don't pull any punches.
Speaker 4: All of our biggest actual fights in our lives interpersonally
Speaker 4: have been around Jason's bad takes.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you want if it's not getting personal,
Speaker 1: if it's just about the takes, that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not too bad.
Speaker 2: I think Jason is right. We we can give each
Speaker 2: other crap all the time, but you can also, all
Speaker 2: three of us can handle it when you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I deserved it. Yeah that was justifiable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like ours. We just we just ride
Speaker 1: the roller coaster.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be up, it's going to be downs. But
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Footballers are a great podcast to check out
Speaker 1: a lot of you probably are already checking out, but
Speaker 1: they have a new one with NFL Media too, called
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast, so you can check that out.
Speaker 1: We're happy to have you a board, and uh, we'll
Speaker 1: get some many food maybe up in the in the.
Speaker 2: We had some tasty burgers.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, all right, uh and uh
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. This was an extra little
Speaker 1: bonus episode. We will be back on Monday recapping all
Speaker 1: the preseason action and then the wheel really starts to
Speaker 1: go and we have our r are around the AFC, NFC.
Speaker 1: Next week we start previewing and giving award prediction season predicted,
Speaker 1: So it really starts going next week. U until then
Speaker 1: for Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike Right, I'm Greg Rosenthal.
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