Speaker 1: Also media, Welcome to Dick it happened here a podcast
Speaker 1: with the It is Henry Kissinger, and the happening here
Speaker 1: is that he's dead as a door nail. I'm your
Speaker 1: host via log with me on this joyous day after
Speaker 1: Kissinger's dead. Is Garrison Davis and James Stout. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: WHOA Hello, very excited.
Speaker 3: Had a had a fun night in the group chat
Speaker 3: last night, I did send over the hordy Henry Kissinger
Speaker 3: copy pasta without reading it to two of the group chat,
Speaker 3: and I feel like that was that was a good call.
Speaker 3: Fully at the exit.
Speaker 1: Within within thirty seconds of you sending that, I got
Speaker 1: the same I got the same message in another group
Speaker 1: chat and I was like, how it was.
Speaker 3: It was spreading around pretty quick. I wanted to jump
Speaker 3: on it soon before before other people were going to
Speaker 3: share it. So so yeah, that is that is, that
Speaker 3: is my duty. I mean, it's it's certainly upsetting. He
Speaker 3: lives till one hundred, but we will sell break his
Speaker 3: death nevertheless.
Speaker 2: Yes, it would have been nice if he died sooner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was nice. Well we don't we don't
Speaker 1: know how he died. He could he could have died horribly.
Speaker 1: We actually don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he in his home in Connecticut, surrounded by
Speaker 3: his hopefully according to the Acial statement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, he lived a little longer and died
Speaker 2: a lot more pleasantly than a lot of the people
Speaker 2: his life he ended. Which is sad.
Speaker 3: It is It is sad, but it's also funny. He
Speaker 3: he died knowing he's probably one of the most hated
Speaker 3: men in the world, which is pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Parties of the fucking street like there was so there was.
Speaker 1: There was a giant pro Palestine protest in Chicago last night,
Speaker 1: and there's videos of them finding out live while they're
Speaker 1: in the streets that Kissing is dying and his giant
Speaker 1: cheer goes up. People having a great time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was texting my friends who were down at the border. Uh,
Speaker 1: the camera Kissinger is dead. Spread the word among the
Speaker 1: people of the nations that he destroyed.
Speaker 3: Pretty good, pretty good stuff. I mean, it's we we
Speaker 3: we all. We all had a fun time last night,
Speaker 3: as I'm sure many many of you listeners did. But
Speaker 3: slowly some organizations started to trickle out very embarrassing statements.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The first one I saw was from the A d
Speaker 3: L who had a quite the quite quite the statement
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I want to find the I want to
Speaker 3: find it actually on on X the new hot social
Speaker 3: media app, because it's online on X because because the
Speaker 3: community note on it is just magnificent. Yeah, that was great,
Speaker 3: really really gives you a good look at the mind
Speaker 3: of Kissinger, and it's fun to laugh at the people
Speaker 3: who are like propping him up as some like great
Speaker 3: Jewish statesmen. So yeah, Henry Kissinger was a towering intellect,
Speaker 3: diplomat and practitioner who, not without controversy, he helped shape
Speaker 3: American foreign policy with a lasting impact worldwide. A refugee
Speaker 3: from Nazi Germany and the first Jewish Secretary of State,
Speaker 3: he was unapologetic about his heritage and his embrace of
Speaker 3: the importance of American global power and democratic values. Which
Speaker 3: I like that they call him a practitioner, just a
Speaker 3: funny thing to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But there are a number of funny things in
Speaker 2: that post.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. Probably the funniest is that during a meeting
Speaker 3: of the Washington Special Actions Group, Kissinger said, quote, if
Speaker 3: it were not for the accident of my birth, I
Speaker 3: would be anti Semitic. Any people who have been persecuted
Speaker 3: for two thousand years, must be doing something wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another one. That one's fun. It's another one.
Speaker 1: The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not
Speaker 1: an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put
Speaker 1: Jews in gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is
Speaker 1: not an American concern, maybe a humanitarian concern.
Speaker 2: And that was a real.
Speaker 3: Amazing stuff like it's it has. It has certainly been
Speaker 3: wild to watch any any shred of credibility that the
Speaker 3: ad L has had just absolutely go down the drain
Speaker 3: in the past two months by their own volition, just
Speaker 3: ruining decades of like of of research into anti Semitic
Speaker 3: extremism by just tarnishing every single piece of research they've done,
Speaker 3: by how they've how they've been behaving the past two months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they outraged us three or four years.
Speaker 2: They've really been a war like.
Speaker 1: They're like they're like fully going back to their like
Speaker 1: selling information to a partid South Africa days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Praisingraming, praising Henry Kissinger is someone who admitted that he
Speaker 3: would be anti Semitic if he wasn't born Jewish. It
Speaker 3: was just like, what the fuck are you doing anyway
Speaker 3: that that was one of the first one of the
Speaker 3: first organizations to come out in in memoriam of mister
Speaker 3: Kissinger after after his his devastating passing last night.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I've I made a post about this ADL post
Speaker 2: and I'm just scoping the replies because there are a
Speaker 2: lot of normal people on on x dot com these days.
Speaker 2: Someone that there's a group which appears to exist to
Speaker 2: lobby for the ADL to lose its nonprofit status, and
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say that these are the people
Speaker 2: that a d L should be focusing their because this
Speaker 2: is this is the old school anti Semitism. That is
Speaker 2: a giant fucking problem and we all need to reject.
Speaker 2: Like there is some hateful ship on x dot com
Speaker 2: and sadly it's in my replies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is there. There is plenty to go around,
Speaker 3: and the fact that they feel the need to defend
Speaker 3: mister Kissinger.
Speaker 2: This guy's running for governor of Missouri. So yeah, just
Speaker 2: as a podcast, I think we can safely say don't
Speaker 2: vote for Darryl mcclana and klan is in his name.
Speaker 3: This is our this is this is this is the capen.
Speaker 3: Here's first anti endorsement for the twenty twenty four election season. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna say, don't don't vote for this guy.
Speaker 3: So so true. Well, god, I'm glad. I'm glad we
Speaker 3: could all bond over over over that as I bonded
Speaker 3: over the many, many funny, funny memes in the meme
Speaker 3: chats that I'm in rocketing on all scillators to. Twitter
Speaker 3: has been preparing for this night for years. We have
Speaker 3: been training. We've been training for so long. People have
Speaker 3: stayed on throughout Elon's catastrophe just yet, just for this night,
Speaker 3: and now are finally free they can yeah, finally be
Speaker 3: released into the pasture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go live on.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised we didn't crash Twitter with yeah, were posting,
Speaker 1: hopefully his last words.
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder what they'll post about me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he was thinking about posting when he
Speaker 3: going out.
Speaker 2: That makes sense he would have been a post I don't.
Speaker 1: Think it was like, oh no, it burns.
Speaker 3: Oh god, Yes, Anthony Corday with brass knuckles at the
Speaker 3: gates of Hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So okay, all right, so what are we
Speaker 1: doing for the rest of this episode? So okay, if
Speaker 1: if you want to do an episode that is the
Speaker 1: entire history of the stuff Kissinger did. Robert did a
Speaker 1: sixth part behind the Bastard episode. On it, you can
Speaker 1: spend like twelve hours of your life learning.
Speaker 3: About having having the worst time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I always of a self help book. Is
Speaker 2: a self harm book? Audiobook has made for you?
Speaker 3: Yes, but with three funny people giving commentaries.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah. However, comma, so we have been talking about how
Speaker 1: I mean, people are like people are partying in the
Speaker 1: streets in Campodia like there. Kissinger's death has been a
Speaker 1: source of celebration for almost everyone on Earth. But that
Speaker 1: is not what this episode is about. This episode is
Speaker 1: about the one country on Earth that isn't celebrating. That
Speaker 1: country is China. And on the country, not only is
Speaker 1: China not celebrating the death of Henry Kissinger, China is
Speaker 1: quite possibly the most popular American in the history of
Speaker 1: China to this day. Like right now, if you went
Speaker 1: and pulled like the favorability rating of like every famous
Speaker 1: American you can think of, the person with the highest
Speaker 1: rating is almost certainly going to be Henry Kissinger. And
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and this is this is and
Speaker 1: this is not just a sort of like a popular thing,
Speaker 1: although again he is enormously popular among ordinary Chinese people.
Speaker 1: This is a thing that goes from the state down
Speaker 1: Xi Jinping. He's actually, weirdly one of the last world
Speaker 1: leaders to talk to Kissinger. So Kissinger went to visit
Speaker 1: China in July, and him and Jijinping have this like
Speaker 1: great heartfelt reunion. They have a time. Chijinping says, quote,
Speaker 1: the Chinese people never forget their old friends, and Sino
Speaker 1: US relations will always be linked with the name of
Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger. In the wake of Kissinger's death, the Chinese
Speaker 1: government said, from Reuter's quote, Kissinger made historic contributions to
Speaker 1: the normalization of China US relations, and Chinese people will
Speaker 1: forever remember him for his quote sincere devotion and important contributions,
Speaker 1: Wang added. The Chinese Premier and the Foreign Minister also
Speaker 1: sent messages of condolences to Kissinger's family and to Secretary
Speaker 1: of State Anthony Blincoln. So he is getting like he
Speaker 1: is getting as good a reception in China as any
Speaker 1: American has ever gotten. And if you can understand how
Speaker 1: this came to be, how like every other country in
Speaker 1: the region fucking hates Kissinger like everyone else despises him.
Speaker 1: And if you can understand why China, why he is
Speaker 1: like the most popular American in Chinese history, you can
Speaker 1: understand the entire arc of the twentieth century and how
Speaker 1: we ended up with the horror that we all live
Speaker 1: in today. But first, speaking of the horrors that we
Speaker 1: all live in today, is.
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Speaker 1: We are back. So this story, the story of how
Speaker 1: Kissinger became the most popular man in China or the
Speaker 1: most popular American in China, begins in Shanghai twenty seven. Oh,
Speaker 1: it is the year nineteen twenty seven. For over a decade,
Speaker 1: China has been Lossinger series wars is seven four four
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, four years old, Child Kissinger.
Speaker 1: Child Kissinger is presumably unaware of the developments in China.
Speaker 2: Oh he oh, I don't think you say that he was.
Speaker 3: He was keeping tabs absolutely at four years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was even back then. He was a quote
Speaker 2: foreign policy realist.
Speaker 3: A towering intellect of this stature doesn't doesn't start his twenties.
Speaker 3: He starts like in his toddler years.
Speaker 2: Choice of words. By the way, towering intellect. Just looking
Speaker 2: at him, the pictures of him in China where where
Speaker 2: he's dwarfed, and it's just very funny to look at
Speaker 2: this guys grabbing, towering. It's like he's gonna be like
Speaker 2: five foot nothing.
Speaker 3: His intellect is towering, not his not his, not his person.
Speaker 1: Short short king King would have been a great tweet
Speaker 1: if the ideada code of a short king, I'm ironically
Speaker 1: I would have stand that. Yes, you were saying so
Speaker 1: as as as as little tiny baby ass Kissinger is
Speaker 1: looking on. China's Communist Party is locked in a tenuous
Speaker 1: alliance with the Chinese Nationalist Party, which is the glooming Dong. No. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they saw so with the aid of the Soviets. And
Speaker 1: when I say the aid of the Soviets, I mean
Speaker 1: the Soviets basically rebuilt the Nationalist Party from the ground up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Nationalists have turned into a juggernaut they have there,
Speaker 1: they have swept aside like every warlord army. They face
Speaker 1: their marching triophant across the country, and ahead of their advance,
Speaker 1: a massive uprising led by the communists finally drives the
Speaker 1: warlords out of Shanghai. The Chinese working class stands victorious.
Speaker 1: They and they alone stand triumphant over the greatest city
Speaker 1: in China. It is the last time they will control
Speaker 1: this city for forty years. The new leader of the
Speaker 1: Nationalist Party is shan Kai shak Our proto fastist drug
Speaker 1: lord who the Soviets for some inexplicable reason thought was
Speaker 1: going to work for them and was going to like
Speaker 1: build a socialist state at China. Deeply unclear why they
Speaker 1: thought this. I don't know. Don't have Stalin running your
Speaker 1: foreign policy.
Speaker 2: I don't have started running shit.
Speaker 1: Like a yeah, yeah Christmas, Yeah, so's he's no kissing jerk,
Speaker 1: Like what can we say?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Also dead, though thankfully killed similar numbers of communists.
Speaker 3: We are.
Speaker 1: We are one sentence away from that. So, under the
Speaker 1: direction of Moscow, the communists in China convinced the Chinese
Speaker 1: working class to open the gates of the city to
Speaker 1: allow the nationalist army. Inside the nationalist army immediately begins
Speaker 1: slaughtering the Chinese working class. By by the end of
Speaker 1: the white terror that this is going to unleash, the
Speaker 1: nationalists will have killed one million people, most of them
Speaker 1: Chinese workers and peasants. Basically like the entire you know,
Speaker 1: like like basically the entire urban Chinese left dies in
Speaker 1: this like like the in this slaughter, and with them
Speaker 1: dies basically the entire internationalist wing of the Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker 1: Because the internationalist wing, the wing that had you know,
Speaker 1: very close connections to Moscow, were all like in Shanghai,
Speaker 1: and they were all but they were most importantly not
Speaker 1: that they were all literally in Shanghai, but they were
Speaker 1: all part of the urban Communist Party and they get
Speaker 1: just completely wiped out. And this is the part of
Speaker 1: the Shanghai o Rising that for our purposes is important
Speaker 1: because it's the first moment where the rift between the
Speaker 1: Soviets and the Chinese Communist Party begins to form. Now,
Speaker 1: in the wake of the Shanghai massacre, Stalin sends the
Speaker 1: CCP instructions that are just nonsense, like he's telling them
Speaker 1: to stay aligned with the Nationalist Party, but to oppose
Speaker 1: Shang Kai Sheck. Like literally there's descriptions of the meeting
Speaker 1: when like this this telegram comes in, the CCP leaders
Speaker 1: are like sitting around this thing is radio. They're sitting
Speaker 1: around this radio and they get the they like they
Speaker 1: get the instructions and they're just like these people are
Speaker 1: just burying their hands in their face because like this
Speaker 1: is nothing, it is nonsense, and you know, and this
Speaker 1: is sort of this is that's like the last gasp
Speaker 1: of the old Communist Party leadership. Those people are just gone,
Speaker 1: and in their place rises Mao. Now Mao is not
Speaker 1: from the urban wing of the party. He is from
Speaker 1: like he's Mao is a peasant organizer, right, He's from
Speaker 1: the whirl wing, and his wing of the party tends
Speaker 1: to be more nationalists and less sort of like subservient
Speaker 1: to Moscow than the urban wing of the party. And
Speaker 1: with Stalin basically getting the entire urban Communist Party and
Speaker 1: like every other urban leftist in the country killed, you know,
Speaker 1: the people that are left are Mao and the sort
Speaker 1: of peasant organizations who have a distrust of the Soviets
Speaker 1: that they're going to maintain for basically their entire lives. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously relations between the CCP and Stalin improve as like
Speaker 1: World War two happens, but there's a basically the moment
Speaker 1: the war ends, there's a series of incidents that sort
Speaker 1: of strained relations. One is that this is less an incident.
Speaker 1: But Stalin seems to not have thought that the CCP
Speaker 1: was gonna win the war, like he seems to have
Speaker 1: thought that the nationalists are going to beat them. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that he does is basically de
Speaker 1: industrializes Japan's giant industrial belt and occupied Ventchuria. This is
Speaker 1: a completely intact industrial belt. It is one of the
Speaker 1: largest like intact industrial belts in the world, and Stalin,
Speaker 1: like in classic Soviet fashion, takes the factories, takes them apart,
Speaker 1: puts them on trains, and ships them across the sorry
Speaker 1: to rebuild the Soviet economy.
Speaker 2: YEP. One of the first of many such incidents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a catastrophe for the CCP because
Speaker 1: even after the CCP wins the war, because they've now
Speaker 1: you know, so it's like Shanghai is in ruins, Beijing,
Speaker 1: like most of China is just in ruins because of
Speaker 1: I mean, like what what year they on if effectively
Speaker 1: continuous fighting and the after the war. China's industrial base
Speaker 1: in this is nineteen forty nine, right, their industrial base
Speaker 1: is smaller than Russia's in nineteen seventeen, which is just nuts,
Speaker 1: it is and this is small, yeah, and this is
Speaker 1: the conditions that the everything, the entire course of twenty
Speaker 1: century Chinese history are defined by these conditions, right, and
Speaker 1: these specific conditions are this is basically a production bottleneck, right,
Speaker 1: And I've talked about this on the show before. This
Speaker 1: is one of the sort of most important things in
Speaker 1: twentieth century Chinese political economy is that, you know, the
Speaker 1: CCP is trying to simultaneously expand its agricultural production to
Speaker 1: feed people and also expand its industrial capacity. It's mostly
Speaker 1: trying to expand it to its industrial capacity. The problem
Speaker 1: is they can't expand their industrial capacity without expanding their
Speaker 1: agricultural capacity, and they can't expand their agricultural capacity without
Speaker 1: expanding their industrial capacity. And their attempt just blow through
Speaker 1: this by like mass use of human labor is the
Speaker 1: great lead board. It's a complete catastrophe. Right, This is
Speaker 1: just gonna fuck Like whatever like intentions like the Chinese
Speaker 1: Revolution had, this is just going to fuck them because
Speaker 1: the combination of this and their ideology is just going
Speaker 1: to doom the entire project. And you know this and
Speaker 1: so the other thing about this period, the Soviets are
Speaker 1: really really patronizing, like they talk about like constantly and
Speaker 1: like diplomatic things, like they talk about the Soviet like
Speaker 1: the Chinese is like their younger brothers. There's like this
Speaker 1: weird like thing going on. This isn't enough to substantially
Speaker 1: threaten their alliance, but the relationship between the USSR and
Speaker 1: China is never as it's never quite as firm as
Speaker 1: people think it is. Now the thing that really like
Speaker 1: kickstarts the break between the USSR and China is Khrushchev's
Speaker 1: secret speech denouncing Stalin. So this gets like leaked. Krushchev
Speaker 1: makes the speech for he was like, wow, Stalin did
Speaker 1: some fucked up stuff they called the personality was bad actually,
Speaker 1: and this pisses off an enormous number of peoples. Mau
Speaker 1: Forever like problems malhas with Stalin. He takes a very
Speaker 1: hard line on this where he's like, no, I'm like this.
Speaker 1: The Soviets are now revisionists. They have abandoned the path
Speaker 1: of Marcus Leninism. I am now the only anti revisionist
Speaker 1: in the world. And you know, and this whole thing
Speaker 1: like results in these worstening relations between China and the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union, with the CCP basically calling the Soviets like
Speaker 1: weak neck bureaucratic social imperialists and the Soviets looking at
Speaker 1: like the great leap forward and being like, what are
Speaker 1: these maniacs doing? And this tension escalates to the sixties
Speaker 1: is both sides start massing troops on the Chinese Soviet border.
Speaker 1: Now meanwhile, so so okay, the sixties goes on and
Speaker 1: control of the Soviet Union has fallen to Leoned Breshnev,
Speaker 1: who is an absolute maniac, deeply weird, deeply not very
Speaker 1: good guy, and he, in response to the Council Communist
Speaker 1: uprising in Prague nineteen sixty eight, Breshnev rolls tanks in
Speaker 1: kills everyone and then declares the Breshnev Doctrine, in which
Speaker 1: Breshnev claims the right to overthrow any socialist government who
Speaker 1: the Soviets decided we're trying to become capitalists, which I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the Soviet's right like that that what that
Speaker 1: actually means is that they don't align with USSR. So
Speaker 1: Breshnev means this to be about Eastern Europe, right, Mao
Speaker 1: looks at this and goes, oh shit, Breshnev is going
Speaker 1: to try to overthrow me. And this does not go well.
Speaker 1: So and you know, I know that thing he's looking
Speaker 1: at it, he's looking at like the Soviet troops massing
Speaker 1: on the border, and he's like, oh shit. And this
Speaker 1: is where things get absolutely wild. In nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 1: there are a giant series of border skirmishes between this
Speaker 1: between Soviet and Chinese troops. People are killing each other
Speaker 1: across this enormous This is like continent side border. People
Speaker 1: are like like like companies of Chinese and Soviet troops
Speaker 1: are like firing artillery at each other. Everyone is completely
Speaker 1: losing their minds. And this is actually like one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why like every once in a while you'll
Speaker 1: get these things from the Himalayas and China's border with India,
Speaker 1: where everyone's like hitting each other with sticks. And the
Speaker 1: reason you're hitting each other with sticks is that like
Speaker 1: the Chinese were like, wait, hold on, it's actually a
Speaker 1: bad idea to have guys with guns on the border
Speaker 1: of a nuclear power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they have some amazing, amazing brawls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, but and the funny thing like
Speaker 1: that that's the reasonable version of this. In sixty nine,
Speaker 1: they're having the unreasonable version of this, where the Soviets
Speaker 1: are looking at the situation and they're going, oh shit,
Speaker 1: we can't win a war with China because their calculation
Speaker 1: is that they will eventually be overwhelmed by a combination
Speaker 1: of human wave attacks and the fact that like an
Speaker 1: enormous portion of the China's the Chinese population has been
Speaker 1: trained in guerrilla warfare. And there's second problem is that
Speaker 1: the Chinese population is to disperse for them to all
Speaker 1: be killed by the Soviet nuclear weapons. And the CCP
Speaker 1: makes the same assessment, and it's like, Okay, if we
Speaker 1: fight this war, like the human wave attacks are just
Speaker 1: going to eventually are going to crush them. We're going
Speaker 1: to use force numbers that can't kill us all with nukes.
Speaker 1: So the Soviets plan for this is they are like
Speaker 1: drawing up plans to line the border with China with
Speaker 1: nuclear land mines to stop the chese.
Speaker 2: It's nuts.
Speaker 1: Everyone is losing their.
Speaker 2: Minds normal times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I've seen rumors this is the thing. I
Speaker 1: don't have actually good sources on. I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of rumors that both the both the Soviets and China
Speaker 1: like reached out to the US try to get them
Speaker 1: the nuke. The other side, it's everyone is everyone is
Speaker 1: completely losing their minds, and you know, so at this point,
Speaker 1: like both sides kind of back down because both of
Speaker 1: them realized that, like, fighting this war is the stupidest
Speaker 1: thing that anything could possibly do, because there's there's like
Speaker 1: there is there was a little tiny shred of sanity
Speaker 1: left in both sides. That's like, do we like actually
Speaker 1: what to have a nuclear war? And they're like no, okay,
Speaker 1: But this marks the permanent solidification of what's called the
Speaker 1: Sino Soviet split. And do you know what else is
Speaker 1: it is? It is a Sino Soviet split. It's the
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Speaker 1: So the back in nineteen sixty nine, basically from from
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, So basically from this point on, the USSR
Speaker 1: and People's Republic of China are enemies. This is what's
Speaker 1: called the Sino Soviet split. And Mao begins casting around
Speaker 1: for allies, and into this breach steps a man, a
Speaker 1: cursed through history, who's who's towering footfalls echo through the
Speaker 1: halls of power. I am talking, of course about Charles
Speaker 1: de gall friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most Frenchman two exists.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Degall has been devising a strategy to pull
Speaker 1: China away from the USSR and towards the West. And
Speaker 1: this is the origin of what's called triangle diplomacy. Now,
Speaker 1: Kissinger steals this idea and goes and does it. But
Speaker 1: this was not Kissinger's idea. This was a This was
Speaker 1: a plan that was already kind of in motion that
Speaker 1: he stole from the Gall.
Speaker 3: Good artists copy, great artists steel. If Kissinger was anything,
Speaker 3: it was an artist, a great artist.
Speaker 1: What the Tony Blair Foundation said, It's not as Joe,
Speaker 1: God fucking Joe, because everything's too fucked.
Speaker 3: I'm quoting the Tony Blair Foundation.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: There was, there was, there was there was some uh
Speaker 1: oh god, I can't remember his name. So so someone
Speaker 1: in the seventies declared that satire the day, the day
Speaker 1: that Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize the day
Speaker 1: satire died. And he was right, And this is why
Speaker 1: satire doesn't work anymork.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony Blair is now pissing on its grave.
Speaker 1: Yeah so all right, but the you know, Okay. So,
Speaker 1: so this triangle diplomacy thing, Kissinger basically takes it over.
Speaker 1: And the key element of this plan is is to
Speaker 1: use China as a bulwark against the Soviets both in
Speaker 1: East and Southeast Asia and in places like Central Africa.
Speaker 1: But in order to do this they have to actually
Speaker 1: like establish contact with China, a thing they haven't had
Speaker 1: in like thirty years. Wow, he's twenty ah whatever, Hey complicated.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through the entire diplomatic history
Speaker 1: of China. But you know, if and this is this
Speaker 1: is the origin of one of Kissinger's most famous crimes,
Speaker 1: which is Operation search Light, which is Pakistan's genocide and Bangladesh.
Speaker 1: They kill about three million people. If you want to
Speaker 1: really detailed account of this, go listen to the Behind
Speaker 1: the Baskets episodes. The short version of this is that
Speaker 1: Pakistan has been a Chinese ally for a while for
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, one of which is China's antagonism
Speaker 1: with India, which peaked in nineteen sixty two when China
Speaker 1: just straight up invaded and He's beeded border region, conquered
Speaker 1: it and then like handed Nehru his ass in the
Speaker 1: process of what became known as a Sino Indian war.
Speaker 1: And this is an incredible betrayal. By the way, like Nehru,
Speaker 1: who was the Prime Minister of India, Nehru had turned
Speaker 1: down a permanent seat on the UN Security Council because
Speaker 1: because he was being given the seat as a way
Speaker 1: to make sure China didn't get it, and he turned it.
Speaker 1: He turned down that seat to get China onto the
Speaker 1: Security Council like out of out of like not I'm
Speaker 1: out of geopolitical like this was basically a pure like
Speaker 1: ideological I'm doing this because it's the right thing to
Speaker 1: do thing, and Mao returns him by fucking invading India.
Speaker 1: So because of this and because of like you know,
Speaker 1: India Pakistan don't like each other. This is this is known.
Speaker 1: The Pakistani government is very close with China. Pakistani troops
Speaker 1: are trained by the Chinese army. They are armed with
Speaker 1: Chinese weapons and with Kissinger's blessings, so he could use
Speaker 1: the Pakistani government as an intermediary to negotiate with China.
Speaker 1: The Pakistani government seeds to kill three million Bangladeshis. It
Speaker 1: is yeah, this is it is among the worst crimes
Speaker 1: the twentieth century. It is a crime that it is
Speaker 1: broadly forgotten. China's complicity in it is forgotten. The American's
Speaker 1: complicity in it is barely remembered, basically only when people
Speaker 1: talk about Kissinger. But this was one of the worst
Speaker 1: things that happened in like one of the worst centuries
Speaker 1: in human history. But you know, for Kissinger, this is
Speaker 1: an enormous success, right He gets everything that he fucking
Speaker 1: wants out of it, doesn't give a shit about bankwadeesh
Speaker 1: She's then. You know, this is a tradition that has
Speaker 1: like echoed through the like the eons of the oliberals
Speaker 1: ever since the US successfully opens diplomatic channels with China.
Speaker 1: And soon Kissinger and Nixon are going to meet Mao
Speaker 1: in China, and I'm going to read from Mao talking
Speaker 1: to Kissinger, so you can understand who these people are.
Speaker 1: The tree between on two countries at present is very pitiful,
Speaker 1: is gradually increasing. You know, China is a poor country.
Speaker 1: We don't have very much. What we have in excess
Speaker 1: is women, Kissinger. There are no quotas or terrible for those,
Speaker 1: Chairman Mao. So if you want so, if you want them,
Speaker 1: we can give you a few of those some tens
Speaker 1: of thousands. Prime Minister cho of course, on a voluntary basis. Chairman, Mao,
Speaker 1: let them go to your place. They will create disasters.
Speaker 1: That way you can lessen our burdens. Laughter. Sometime later, Mao,
Speaker 1: do you want our Chinese women? We can give you
Speaker 1: ten million laughter, says the Chairman is improving his offer bow.
Speaker 1: By doing this, we can let them flood your country
Speaker 1: with disaster and therefore impair your interest in our country.
Speaker 1: We have too many women, and they have a way
Speaker 1: of doing things. They give birth the children, and our
Speaker 1: children are too many.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is like a deeply CCP moment, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this like this is one of these things. Was
Speaker 1: like there are people in the United States to this
Speaker 1: day who call themselves Maoists and like and think that
Speaker 1: this guy was like on the fucking left, and it's like, like,
Speaker 1: how do you fucking read that? Like him just him,
Speaker 1: just doing this fucking banter with the butcher of Bangladesh
Speaker 1: and be like no, no, no, this is the guy
Speaker 1: who figured out to keep the key to achieving like socialism, right,
Speaker 1: is the guy you figured o how to end the
Speaker 1: class system and end imperialism? Is this fucking guy polling
Speaker 1: it up with fucking Henry fucking Kissinger like it's terrible, Like.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, the king to being a mauist
Speaker 2: is not reading this though true.
Speaker 1: I've seen MAOIs on Twitter try to defend this with
Speaker 1: their like well, it was only like a temporary thing
Speaker 1: because the Soviets were threatening the new China and like,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm one of the things that one
Speaker 1: of the real problems they have is that so in Angola,
Speaker 1: there's a civil war in Angola. There is a faction
Speaker 1: that are the good guys, and then there's a faction
Speaker 1: that's being backed by apartheise South Africa, and China is
Speaker 1: backing the apartheid South Africa fashion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, and this is the thing they
Speaker 3: have to justify and they can't.
Speaker 1: And this actually, and you know, one of this actually
Speaker 1: has impacts in the US because like American maoists are
Speaker 1: confronted with this and are like what the fuck, like
Speaker 1: what is this ship? And there are some of them
Speaker 1: who just like ignore it in a quadruple down, there
Speaker 1: are some of it who become disillusioned.
Speaker 2: You could even pick a different tanky like like Cuba
Speaker 2: heavily supported the MPLA and I go, for instance, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like yeah, moved to like Castro or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Trotsky is right there, he's right there.
Speaker 2: With an ice pick in his head.
Speaker 1: So true.
Speaker 3: Should have happened to Kissinger.
Speaker 1: We got.
Speaker 2: A fucking incredible alternate history.
Speaker 1: Lives and Kissinger dies, lives to one hundred.
Speaker 3: The world is so much it's the world's are like
Speaker 3: a great place, but it is a much better place
Speaker 3: in that alternate history.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if Trotsky had held on long enough
Speaker 1: for social media to exist? You know, oh my god,
Speaker 1: poster him and the one the person I've been most
Speaker 1: sad right now that never gone on there was God,
Speaker 1: he would have been killed it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a few people you just think would have
Speaker 2: been magnificent.
Speaker 1: Doll has a famous Kissinger moment where he's he's he's
Speaker 1: watching he runs into a Kissinger like in the Sistine Chapel,
Speaker 1: like looking at the part that's like looking at the
Speaker 1: hell part of it. Vidald goes Kissinger is apartment hunting.
Speaker 1: Very funny y.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is braid.
Speaker 1: So many of these. There's another famous one where the
Speaker 1: the absolutely dog ship American author Norman Baylor punches him
Speaker 1: and he's like falls over because he's got punched. While
Speaker 1: he's on the ground, Vidal goes words fail Norman Baylor again.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really incredible guy, real time posting it. Yeah, tragic, tragic,
Speaker 1: it never made it. Lots of tragedies unfolding. One of
Speaker 1: them is that you know this whole thing of like
Speaker 1: like Kissinger bantering with Maw like this, it works like
Speaker 1: the US and China established empthomatic relations and this is
Speaker 1: a this is a seismic shift in sort of Chinese
Speaker 1: popular culture and media and consciousness because from the Korean
Speaker 1: War until like the seventies, right, the way people think
Speaker 1: about America and the way they're portrayed in Chinese media
Speaker 1: is like as the great imperialist enemy. Right, Like the
Speaker 1: last time there was contact between the US and China,
Speaker 1: it is a bunch of Chinese troops doing bayonet charges,
Speaker 1: like wearing sandals in the fucking snow, doing bayonet chargers
Speaker 1: through their own artillery broads to kill American troops like that.
Speaker 1: That is like like the amount of hatred like there
Speaker 1: is unbelievable, and you know it's funny because like the
Speaker 1: US like really forgot that war, but like China did not, right,
Speaker 1: and suddenly like America is China's friend. And the human
Speaker 1: face of this absolutely Parkle shift in basically the entire
Speaker 1: ideological system of Chinese communism. The face of this shift
Speaker 1: in in the just the image of what America is,
Speaker 1: which is like it doesn't it's not quite mapping on,
Speaker 1: but it's like like America, like it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: like how Baptists think about the devil, right like that
Speaker 1: that that is the role that America has in Chinese
Speaker 1: like popular sort of culture, like up until this point,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly it's completely pivoted on its head. And
Speaker 1: the face of this shift is Kissinger. And you know,
Speaker 1: and this, uh, this is ping pong Eurasia is what
Speaker 1: you're doing right now. This happened due to this all
Speaker 1: happened due to table tennis. And I won't hear any
Speaker 1: other way. Oh god, I was I specifically did it
Speaker 1: include that the table tennis diplomacy at this because I
Speaker 1: was like, I hate the ship.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when liberals really get on that ship, they
Speaker 2: talk about ping. I think Joseph Rye was a big
Speaker 2: ping pong diplomacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like you know, but I I think,
Speaker 1: like being on diplomacy is an example of like how
Speaker 1: circumscribed the contact between the U to the US and
Speaker 1: China is. Right, Like again, like we're talking about like
Speaker 1: like ping pong team is playing each other. This is
Speaker 1: like the big diplomatic and cultural exchanges going on between
Speaker 1: China and the US. There's nothing. And this is something
Speaker 1: that you have to sort of understand if you want
Speaker 1: to understand this pivot, is how isolated China was. Right
Speaker 1: Like the US through this entire period is pretending that
Speaker 1: the nationalists in Taiwan or the legitimate government of all
Speaker 1: of China, they have blocked off effectively all trade with China.
Speaker 1: They've blocked off basically all trade from the US. They've
Speaker 1: blocked off a huge amount of international trade and and
Speaker 1: you know, and this, this, this is something that really
Speaker 1: really cripples the Chinese economy. Like you know, you can't
Speaker 1: quite blame it for like the famines because like I mean,
Speaker 1: for example, like the CCP was exporting grain to the
Speaker 1: USSR while greatly before what was happening, right like, but
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't fucking help that. And one of
Speaker 1: the other big consequence of this is that it is
Speaker 1: almost impossible for Chinese people to go to China like you,
Speaker 1: you basically can't do it. And this is an enormous
Speaker 1: deal because there are tens of millions of Chinese people
Speaker 1: across the world who can't go back to China. These
Speaker 1: people can't see their families, they can't see their friends,
Speaker 1: they can't go to the graves of their ancestors, they
Speaker 1: can't they can't go home. And this happened with my family,
Speaker 1: Like my grandpa didn't see his brothers and sisters for
Speaker 1: forty years after the war. Forty years just did not
Speaker 1: see his family. And you know, and it's only when Kissinger,
Speaker 1: and this is the way that it's seen in China,
Speaker 1: it's only when Kissinger re establishes relationship, which Kissinger goes
Speaker 1: out there and advocates, And the way they see it
Speaker 1: is he's advocating for China in the US, which is
Speaker 1: kind of true. But the way they see this is
Speaker 1: only when Kissinger re establishes diplomatic relations that's when it
Speaker 1: becomes possible for you to see your family again. And
Speaker 1: you know, like I cannot emphasize enough how big of
Speaker 1: a deal this is in China. In the diaspora, Like
Speaker 1: if you are in the diaspora, you can't get fucking
Speaker 1: messages in you Like a lot of people don't know
Speaker 1: whether their family is still alive because the last time
Speaker 1: they saw them was the war or and when I
Speaker 1: say though war, like that could be World War two,
Speaker 1: that could be the Revolution, that could be people living
Speaker 1: before that. And you know, this is a huge deal
Speaker 1: in the diaspora too, to the point where like a
Speaker 1: lot of the people who had been like in the
Speaker 1: in the Asian American movements in sixty eight, like people
Speaker 1: who had been like Yellow Peril, yellow power, people who
Speaker 1: are like ally with black panthers, Like these people are
Speaker 1: trying to get jobs in the Nixon State departments because
Speaker 1: they want to be there to like help reopen diplomatic
Speaker 1: relations with China. It is it is like, this is
Speaker 1: like it is one of the sort of apocaum moments
Speaker 1: of the second half of the twentieth century. Is this
Speaker 1: this these diplomatic relations opening up again. And in the
Speaker 1: Chinese media, they don't really want Nixon to be the
Speaker 1: face of it because now they're.
Speaker 2: This is not great.
Speaker 1: But so they they put they put Kissinger as like
Speaker 1: the human face of all of this, and you know,
Speaker 1: and and there's there's and there's a lot of benefits
Speaker 1: in China from this. They're getting these massive technological transfers
Speaker 1: from the US, and this is one of the things
Speaker 1: that it's in I think it's a very underrated factor,
Speaker 1: but this is one of the factors that makes their
Speaker 1: their technology. Like sorry, let me say that again. This
Speaker 1: is one of the factors that makes it's one of
Speaker 1: the incredibly underrated factors that makes their industrialization program work.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of places where people try similar
Speaker 1: industrialization programs to what China is going to pull off,
Speaker 1: like Venezuela, for example, tries this and Venezuela's program completely
Speaker 1: fails because they don't have access to the technology that
Speaker 1: the US got from basically sucking up or that China
Speaker 1: got from sucking up to the US. And and Kissinger
Speaker 1: is directly responsible for a lot of like a lot
Speaker 1: of these technology transfers. And for this, Kissinger is labeled
Speaker 1: as as like as a friend of the Chinese people
Speaker 1: like this. This is literally the way that it's talked
Speaker 1: about in the Chinese media, and even sort of beyond
Speaker 1: just him being labeled like a friend of the Chinese
Speaker 1: people like he is, like okay, So there's like one
Speaker 1: or two other Americans who you can sort of like
Speaker 1: publicly express admiration for. Who are people who like effectively
Speaker 1: defected the China or just move to China and like
Speaker 1: we're there for the revolution. But those aren't like major figures, right,
Speaker 1: Like they're like communist journalists or stuff like that, or
Speaker 1: like anthropologists, like they're not. This is the first like
Speaker 1: actual public American figure that you were allowed and you
Speaker 1: are encouraged to be like yay, this guy fucking rules.
Speaker 1: And in a very short amount of time, Kissinger becomes
Speaker 1: enormously popular as the man who you know, he's the
Speaker 1: guy who restored Chinese American relations. He's the guy who
Speaker 1: allowed all these people to see their families and ended
Speaker 1: the saction to terror regime. I mean he'sn't actually end them,
Speaker 1: but he's helping people work around them, and the sanctions
Speaker 1: eventually sort of come down. But you know, all of
Speaker 1: us comes with the price. And this brings us to
Speaker 1: another Kissinger crime, which is a Kissinger in the coup
Speaker 1: against Chile's democratically elected president Salvaduryende. So this coup is
Speaker 1: fully green lit by the US, like Kissinger is involved
Speaker 1: with it. Pinochet is going to murder forty thousand Chilans.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this on the show a few times before,
Speaker 1: but what we haven't really talked about much is that
Speaker 1: after this, after the coup, Chile is like completely diplomatically isolated.
Speaker 1: No one wants anything to do with them because this
Speaker 1: just met like maybe like absolute maniac massive murderer has
Speaker 1: just deposed like a sovereign government, like even like the
Speaker 1: even the UK like won't like refuses to like talk
Speaker 1: to them, right like like and when when like the
Speaker 1: Brits won't talk to you because you've done too many crimes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've really fucked it there, like the guys who who's
Speaker 1: prime minister's son made a living doing coups. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there is one country other than the US that will
Speaker 1: do that, will that will do that, will make deals
Speaker 1: with Pinochet, and that country is China. And China funny
Speaker 1: funnels millions of dollars like to some literally to Pinochet
Speaker 1: directly and to the Chilean government. And this is a
Speaker 1: time where China is not rich, and this is millions
Speaker 1: of dollars like in in like nineteen seventies money. It's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of money, and and China is absolutely broke,
Speaker 1: and they're fucking sending it to and they're sending it
Speaker 1: to fucking Pinochet and like and like to get a
Speaker 1: sense of how weird this stuff is in China, right,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people in China think that Pinochet
Speaker 1: is a socialist because he's being portrayed positively in the
Speaker 1: Chinese media, so they assume that he's a socialist. Like,
Speaker 1: this is the kind of shit that's like just the
Speaker 1: absolute brain worms that are happening in China at this
Speaker 1: point because they're their connection to the outside world is
Speaker 1: really really tenuous, and the Chinese media is suddenly gassing
Speaker 1: up all of these just like horrific right wing dictators.
Speaker 1: Now as as Kissinger Star sends in China, the CCP
Speaker 1: begins pulling its own Kissingers. So this is this is
Speaker 1: a a kind of a story we only learned about
Speaker 1: pretty recently, I think, in like the last two years.
Speaker 1: Benjaping was the first like Chinese communist leader to visit
Speaker 1: the US, and so he got he's in Washington, DC,
Speaker 1: and he takes time out of his schedule to have
Speaker 1: a secret meeting with the CIA where he goes to
Speaker 1: the CIA office to set up like list to set
Speaker 1: up CIA listening posts in China to spy on the USSR.
Speaker 1: And one of the products of this, you know, so
Speaker 1: that's that's the sort of low level stuff that Chine's
Speaker 1: gett involved with. The high level stuff is in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine, China invades Vietnam. They killed tens of thousands
Speaker 1: of people, They devastate both the Chinese and music economy.
Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that you know,
Speaker 1: this is a decisive thing in the Cold War, right,
Speaker 1: China has like donnic They've invaded fucking They've invaded Vietnam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, and one of the one of the
Speaker 1: sort of modern iterations of this right has been you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's a long period of sort of like China's
Speaker 1: alignment with the US, and one of the other things
Speaker 1: that happens that China like becomes increasingly tied to Israel.
Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that that's like
Speaker 1: true of China to this day is like there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of surveillance cameras in the West Bank that
Speaker 1: are that are that the Israelis used to surveil Palestinians
Speaker 1: that are built in China, right, the same the same
Speaker 1: cameras that are being used in shing Juan. A lot
Speaker 1: of like Chinese uh what's it called, Chinese police sometimes
Speaker 1: special forces units like trained with Israeli like trainers. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of like they do like count like quote
Speaker 1: unquote counter terrorism exchanges and and the other big aspect
Speaker 1: of this is that a huge part of the Israeli
Speaker 1: tech industry and a huge part of UH like they're
Speaker 1: sort of like defense complex is fueled directly by Chinese
Speaker 1: resources and by Chinese raw materials, and also by things
Speaker 1: like transistors that they're importing from China. And this is
Speaker 1: this is the product of the sort of long arc
Speaker 1: of Kissinger's work in China, and Kissinger's work sort of
Speaker 1: peeling off Egypt UH from the Palestinian like Soviet camp
Speaker 1: And this ultimately is the price of opening relations with
Speaker 1: the US. It's not a price that's paid by the
Speaker 1: Chinese ruling class. Instead, what happens is that every dissident
Speaker 1: in China, every fucking child in CAMPODI, every teenager and
Speaker 1: he's Teamwar, and every veteran in Vietnam Mao sells them
Speaker 1: the fuck out, Dingha Ping sells them out, Kuchinito sells
Speaker 1: them out, Xijinping sells them out. They take American money,
Speaker 1: they take American technology, They shake hands with Kissinger, and
Speaker 1: they let Bangladesh burn. And for this, Kissinger would remain
Speaker 1: a steadfast ally the Chinese capitalist classes entire life. When
Speaker 1: the CCP butchered the last gas of the Chinese working
Speaker 1: class at Tienemen, Kissinger stood by the CCP and basically
Speaker 1: is one of the few Americans straight out doing pr
Speaker 1: for them. He does it again when China's tried to
Speaker 1: enter the World Trade Organization. He like, this is the
Speaker 1: last thing he was doing before he fucking died was
Speaker 1: going It was going to China and allying himself for
Speaker 1: the Chinese ruling class. And you know, he meets Xi
Speaker 1: Jinping and is greeted as an old friend. And this
Speaker 1: is how you get to the thing that's been happening today,
Speaker 1: which is like all of these Chinese, like the Chinese
Speaker 1: Foreign Ministry and a bunch of timehmaking Chinese government officials
Speaker 1: like releasing these statements about how doctor Kissinger is a
Speaker 1: good friend of the Chinese people, and this ultimately is
Speaker 1: what Kissinger represents the prospect of the alliance between the
Speaker 1: American and Chinese capitalist class built on the blood of
Speaker 1: the working class of five confidents. It is a world
Speaker 1: in which there is peace and prosperity for the bourgeoisie,
Speaker 1: where there was starvation and death for everyone else. And
Speaker 1: this still to this day, is the regime that rules
Speaker 1: the US, it is the regime that rules China. And
Speaker 1: they are being united for one final time in their
Speaker 1: life of one Henry Kissinger. And yeah, that's basically all
Speaker 1: I've got. I guess the last thing I can say
Speaker 1: is one of the things that I think I hope
Speaker 1: people will understand about this is that the way that
Speaker 1: the American left thinks about China, like the that it
Speaker 1: the way that it's politics function, are completely illegible in China,
Speaker 1: like there are no like in the US. It is
Speaker 1: very common to have someone who is like pro Palestine,
Speaker 1: who is like socialist, who is like pro LGBTQ like rights,
Speaker 1: who like you know, who considers hissel as nanty imperialists,
Speaker 1: who is also pro CCP and also fucking hates Kissinger.
Speaker 1: And this is not a position that exists in China.
Speaker 1: There is nobody like this, Nobody, fucking like, no one
Speaker 1: at all believes this because it's just it's not a
Speaker 1: coherent political position. Is it is an American projection of
Speaker 1: politics on the China because again, meanwhile, like the actual
Speaker 1: thing that's happened in China is because of the way
Speaker 1: the media has covered Kissinger. The thing they covered is
Speaker 1: the normalization of US China relations and not all of
Speaker 1: the fucking genocides that he did. And so they have
Speaker 1: the same fucking whitewashed view of Kissinger that like right
Speaker 1: wing Americans do and that the American ruling class does.
Speaker 3: And this is truly, truly has been the century of
Speaker 3: Kissinger from twenty three to twenty three.
Speaker 1: But but fuck that, the center of Kissinger is over.
Speaker 1: Now is the century of the social revolution. We're fucking
Speaker 1: going for his ass. We're gonna tear apart everything he
Speaker 1: ever built. That motherfucker's gonna watch from hell as we
Speaker 1: destroy everything he ever created his entire life. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got time.
Speaker 2: Let's that's why we're we're taking a week off to
Speaker 2: go to Chile and begin the social revolution that Kissinger destroyed.
Speaker 2: Again as a podcast, we we.
Speaker 3: We do now have to choose the new most evil
Speaker 3: person alive. There's there's been quite a there has been
Speaker 3: quite a few in the running. We have we have
Speaker 3: Chinese up there, obviously, we have uh W Bush, we
Speaker 3: have we have net and Yahoo.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: Making a strong case right now. Yeah, we have did
Speaker 2: him off. Maybe he wanted to take the seat, take
Speaker 2: the throne.
Speaker 3: Yeahs made a decently strong case. Sure, yeah, sure there
Speaker 3: is there is, There is a decent list running. I
Speaker 3: think only time will tell for who will truly have
Speaker 3: a lasting impact of similar evil. But yes, that there
Speaker 3: is now a new new open position for most evil
Speaker 3: person alive. So many people are throwing their hat into
Speaker 3: the ring. We will see how this contest plays out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you will. You will hear it when when
Speaker 1: that fucking person dies. You will hear it on this
Speaker 1: show too, And we will enjoy it. Yeah, it's panik
Speaker 1: it out here. Go have a good time. Enjoy, Enjoy
Speaker 1: for this enjoy. By the time you're hearing this, the
Speaker 1: second ever sunrise in a hundred years that does not
Speaker 1: have Henry Kissinger under it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somewhere today, somewhere in the world, a baby has
Speaker 2: been born in a post Kissinger world, and we can
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 3: All the most evil baby has been born and we have.
Speaker 1: To yeah yeah somewhere thanks to the cyclo Sam Sarah
Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger is attack.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: So if you're squeezing out a baby this month, just
Speaker 2: be careful. It's all I'm saying.
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