1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Also media, Welcome to Dick it happened here a podcast 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: with the It is Henry Kissinger, and the happening here 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: is that he's dead as a door nail. I'm your 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: host via log with me on this joyous day after 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: Kissinger's dead. Is Garrison Davis and James Stout. Welcome to 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: the show. 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: WHOA Hello, very excited. 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: Had a had a fun night in the group chat 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 3: last night, I did send over the hordy Henry Kissinger 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: copy pasta without reading it to two of the group chat, 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 3: and I feel like that was that was a good call. 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: Fully at the exit. 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Within within thirty seconds of you sending that, I got 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: the same I got the same message in another group 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: chat and I was like, how it was. 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 3: It was spreading around pretty quick. I wanted to jump 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 3: on it soon before before other people were going to 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: share it. So so yeah, that is that is, that 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: is my duty. I mean, it's it's certainly upsetting. He 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: lives till one hundred, but we will sell break his 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: death nevertheless. 22 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Yes, it would have been nice if he died sooner. 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was nice. Well we don't we don't 24 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: know how he died. He could he could have died horribly. 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: We actually don't know. 26 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he in his home in Connecticut, surrounded by 27 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 3: his hopefully according to the Acial statement. 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, he lived a little longer and died 29 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: a lot more pleasantly than a lot of the people 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: his life he ended. Which is sad. 31 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 3: It is It is sad, but it's also funny. He 32 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 3: he died knowing he's probably one of the most hated 33 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: men in the world, which is pretty funny. 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: Parties of the fucking street like there was so there was. 35 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: There was a giant pro Palestine protest in Chicago last night, 36 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: and there's videos of them finding out live while they're 37 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: in the streets that Kissing is dying and his giant 38 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: cheer goes up. People having a great time. Yeah, I 39 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: was texting my friends who were down at the border. Uh, 40 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: the camera Kissinger is dead. Spread the word among the 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: people of the nations that he destroyed. 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: Pretty good, pretty good stuff. I mean, it's we we 43 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: we all. We all had a fun time last night, 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: as I'm sure many many of you listeners did. But 45 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 3: slowly some organizations started to trickle out very embarrassing statements. 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Uh. 47 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 3: The first one I saw was from the A d 48 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: L who had a quite the quite quite the statement 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: I'm gonna I want to find the I want to 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: find it actually on on X the new hot social 51 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: media app, because it's online on X because because the 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: community note on it is just magnificent. Yeah, that was great, 53 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: really really gives you a good look at the mind 54 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: of Kissinger, and it's fun to laugh at the people 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: who are like propping him up as some like great 56 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: Jewish statesmen. So yeah, Henry Kissinger was a towering intellect, 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: diplomat and practitioner who, not without controversy, he helped shape 58 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: American foreign policy with a lasting impact worldwide. A refugee 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: from Nazi Germany and the first Jewish Secretary of State, 60 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: he was unapologetic about his heritage and his embrace of 61 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 3: the importance of American global power and democratic values. Which 62 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: I like that they call him a practitioner, just a 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 3: funny thing to say. 64 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, But there are a number of funny things in 65 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: that post. 66 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. Probably the funniest is that during a meeting 67 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: of the Washington Special Actions Group, Kissinger said, quote, if 68 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: it were not for the accident of my birth, I 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: would be anti Semitic. Any people who have been persecuted 70 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: for two thousand years, must be doing something wrong. 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another one. That one's fun. It's another one. 72 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not 73 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put 74 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: Jews in gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is 75 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: not an American concern, maybe a humanitarian concern. 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: And that was a real. 77 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: Amazing stuff like it's it has. It has certainly been 78 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: wild to watch any any shred of credibility that the 79 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: ad L has had just absolutely go down the drain 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: in the past two months by their own volition, just 81 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: ruining decades of like of of research into anti Semitic 82 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 3: extremism by just tarnishing every single piece of research they've done, 83 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: by how they've how they've been behaving the past two months. 84 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they outraged us three or four years. 85 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: They've really been a war like. 86 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: They're like they're like fully going back to their like 87 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: selling information to a partid South Africa days. 88 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so. 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: Praisingraming, praising Henry Kissinger is someone who admitted that he 90 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: would be anti Semitic if he wasn't born Jewish. It 91 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: was just like, what the fuck are you doing anyway 92 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: that that was one of the first one of the 93 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: first organizations to come out in in memoriam of mister 94 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: Kissinger after after his his devastating passing last night. 95 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: Sorry, I've I made a post about this ADL post 96 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: and I'm just scoping the replies because there are a 97 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: lot of normal people on on x dot com these days. 98 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: Someone that there's a group which appears to exist to 99 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: lobby for the ADL to lose its nonprofit status, and 100 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: I'm just going to say that these are the people 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: that a d L should be focusing their because this 102 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: is this is the old school anti Semitism. That is 103 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: a giant fucking problem and we all need to reject. 104 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: Like there is some hateful ship on x dot com 105 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: and sadly it's in my replies. 106 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is there. There is plenty to go around, 107 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: and the fact that they feel the need to defend 108 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: mister Kissinger. 109 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: This guy's running for governor of Missouri. So yeah, just 110 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: as a podcast, I think we can safely say don't 111 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: vote for Darryl mcclana and klan is in his name. 112 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: This is our this is this is this is the capen. 113 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: Here's first anti endorsement for the twenty twenty four election season. Yeah. 114 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna say, don't don't vote for this guy. 115 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: So so true. Well, god, I'm glad. I'm glad we 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 3: could all bond over over over that as I bonded 117 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: over the many, many funny, funny memes in the meme 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: chats that I'm in rocketing on all scillators to. Twitter 119 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: has been preparing for this night for years. We have 120 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: been training. We've been training for so long. People have 121 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: stayed on throughout Elon's catastrophe just yet, just for this night, 122 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: and now are finally free they can yeah, finally be 123 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: released into the pasture. 124 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go live on. 125 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm surprised we didn't crash Twitter with yeah, were posting, 126 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: hopefully his last words. 127 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: Well, I wonder what they'll post about me. 128 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he was thinking about posting when he 129 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: going out. 130 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: That makes sense he would have been a post I don't. 131 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: Think it was like, oh no, it burns. 132 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: Oh god, Yes, Anthony Corday with brass knuckles at the 133 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: gates of Hell. 134 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So okay, all right, so what are we 135 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: doing for the rest of this episode? So okay, if 136 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: if you want to do an episode that is the 137 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: entire history of the stuff Kissinger did. Robert did a 138 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: sixth part behind the Bastard episode. On it, you can 139 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: spend like twelve hours of your life learning. 140 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: About having having the worst time. 141 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I always of a self help book. Is 142 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: a self harm book? Audiobook has made for you? 143 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: Yes, but with three funny people giving commentaries. 144 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: Yes, it's very funny. 145 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. However, comma, so we have been talking about how 146 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean, people are like people are partying in the 147 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: streets in Campodia like there. Kissinger's death has been a 148 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: source of celebration for almost everyone on Earth. But that 149 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: is not what this episode is about. This episode is 150 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: about the one country on Earth that isn't celebrating. That 151 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: country is China. And on the country, not only is 152 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: China not celebrating the death of Henry Kissinger, China is 153 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: quite possibly the most popular American in the history of 154 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: China to this day. Like right now, if you went 155 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: and pulled like the favorability rating of like every famous 156 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: American you can think of, the person with the highest 157 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: rating is almost certainly going to be Henry Kissinger. And 158 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and this is this is and 159 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: this is not just a sort of like a popular thing, 160 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: although again he is enormously popular among ordinary Chinese people. 161 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: This is a thing that goes from the state down 162 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Xi Jinping. He's actually, weirdly one of the last world 163 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: leaders to talk to Kissinger. So Kissinger went to visit 164 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: China in July, and him and Jijinping have this like 165 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: great heartfelt reunion. They have a time. Chijinping says, quote, 166 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: the Chinese people never forget their old friends, and Sino 167 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: US relations will always be linked with the name of 168 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger. In the wake of Kissinger's death, the Chinese 169 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: government said, from Reuter's quote, Kissinger made historic contributions to 170 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: the normalization of China US relations, and Chinese people will 171 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: forever remember him for his quote sincere devotion and important contributions, 172 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: Wang added. The Chinese Premier and the Foreign Minister also 173 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: sent messages of condolences to Kissinger's family and to Secretary 174 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: of State Anthony Blincoln. So he is getting like he 175 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: is getting as good a reception in China as any 176 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: American has ever gotten. And if you can understand how 177 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: this came to be, how like every other country in 178 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: the region fucking hates Kissinger like everyone else despises him. 179 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: And if you can understand why China, why he is 180 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: like the most popular American in Chinese history, you can 181 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: understand the entire arc of the twentieth century and how 182 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: we ended up with the horror that we all live 183 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: in today. But first, speaking of the horrors that we 184 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: all live in today, is. 185 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: A sad breaker, are you saying, yeah? 186 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: Hopefully one of our yeah, hopefully yea. The Henry Kissinger 187 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: collectible coins that they minted ten years ago and now 188 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: been released to the market, and this will be the 189 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: first of many adverts for them. 190 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: They're only going to grow in value. 191 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: Insulate yourself against inflation with these Hamory Kissinger coins, and. 192 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: We are back. So this story, the story of how 193 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: Kissinger became the most popular man in China or the 194 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: most popular American in China, begins in Shanghai twenty seven. Oh, 195 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: it is the year nineteen twenty seven. For over a decade, 196 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: China has been Lossinger series wars is seven four four 197 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: years old. 198 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, four years old, Child Kissinger. 199 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: Child Kissinger is presumably unaware of the developments in China. 200 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: Oh he oh, I don't think you say that he was. 201 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: He was keeping tabs absolutely at four years old. 202 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was even back then. He was a quote 203 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: foreign policy realist. 204 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: A towering intellect of this stature doesn't doesn't start his twenties. 205 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: He starts like in his toddler years. 206 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: Choice of words. By the way, towering intellect. Just looking 207 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: at him, the pictures of him in China where where 208 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: he's dwarfed, and it's just very funny to look at 209 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: this guys grabbing, towering. It's like he's gonna be like 210 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: five foot nothing. 211 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: His intellect is towering, not his not his, not his person. 212 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: Short short king King would have been a great tweet 213 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: if the ideada code of a short king, I'm ironically 214 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: I would have stand that. Yes, you were saying so 215 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: as as as as little tiny baby ass Kissinger is 216 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: looking on. China's Communist Party is locked in a tenuous 217 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: alliance with the Chinese Nationalist Party, which is the glooming Dong. No. Yeah, 218 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: they saw so with the aid of the Soviets. And 219 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: when I say the aid of the Soviets, I mean 220 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: the Soviets basically rebuilt the Nationalist Party from the ground up. Yeah, 221 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: the Nationalists have turned into a juggernaut they have there, 222 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: they have swept aside like every warlord army. They face 223 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: their marching triophant across the country, and ahead of their advance, 224 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: a massive uprising led by the communists finally drives the 225 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: warlords out of Shanghai. The Chinese working class stands victorious. 226 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: They and they alone stand triumphant over the greatest city 227 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: in China. It is the last time they will control 228 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: this city for forty years. The new leader of the 229 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: Nationalist Party is shan Kai shak Our proto fastist drug 230 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: lord who the Soviets for some inexplicable reason thought was 231 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: going to work for them and was going to like 232 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: build a socialist state at China. Deeply unclear why they 233 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: thought this. I don't know. Don't have Stalin running your 234 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: foreign policy. 235 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: I don't have started running shit. 236 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: Like a yeah, yeah Christmas, Yeah, so's he's no kissing jerk, 237 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: Like what can we say? 238 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 239 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: Also dead, though thankfully killed similar numbers of communists. 240 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: We are. 241 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: We are one sentence away from that. So, under the 242 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: direction of Moscow, the communists in China convinced the Chinese 243 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: working class to open the gates of the city to 244 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: allow the nationalist army. Inside the nationalist army immediately begins 245 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: slaughtering the Chinese working class. By by the end of 246 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: the white terror that this is going to unleash, the 247 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: nationalists will have killed one million people, most of them 248 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: Chinese workers and peasants. Basically like the entire you know, 249 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: like like basically the entire urban Chinese left dies in 250 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: this like like the in this slaughter, and with them 251 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: dies basically the entire internationalist wing of the Chinese Communist Party. 252 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: Because the internationalist wing, the wing that had you know, 253 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: very close connections to Moscow, were all like in Shanghai, 254 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: and they were all but they were most importantly not 255 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: that they were all literally in Shanghai, but they were 256 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: all part of the urban Communist Party and they get 257 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: just completely wiped out. And this is the part of 258 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: the Shanghai o Rising that for our purposes is important 259 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: because it's the first moment where the rift between the 260 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: Soviets and the Chinese Communist Party begins to form. Now, 261 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: in the wake of the Shanghai massacre, Stalin sends the 262 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: CCP instructions that are just nonsense, like he's telling them 263 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: to stay aligned with the Nationalist Party, but to oppose 264 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: Shang Kai Sheck. Like literally there's descriptions of the meeting 265 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: when like this this telegram comes in, the CCP leaders 266 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: are like sitting around this thing is radio. They're sitting 267 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: around this radio and they get the they like they 268 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: get the instructions and they're just like these people are 269 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: just burying their hands in their face because like this 270 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: is nothing, it is nonsense, and you know, and this 271 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: is sort of this is that's like the last gasp 272 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: of the old Communist Party leadership. Those people are just gone, 273 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: and in their place rises Mao. Now Mao is not 274 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: from the urban wing of the party. He is from 275 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: like he's Mao is a peasant organizer, right, He's from 276 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: the whirl wing, and his wing of the party tends 277 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: to be more nationalists and less sort of like subservient 278 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: to Moscow than the urban wing of the party. And 279 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: with Stalin basically getting the entire urban Communist Party and 280 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: like every other urban leftist in the country killed, you know, 281 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: the people that are left are Mao and the sort 282 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: of peasant organizations who have a distrust of the Soviets 283 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: that they're going to maintain for basically their entire lives. Now, 284 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: obviously relations between the CCP and Stalin improve as like 285 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: World War two happens, but there's a basically the moment 286 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: the war ends, there's a series of incidents that sort 287 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: of strained relations. One is that this is less an incident. 288 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: But Stalin seems to not have thought that the CCP 289 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: was gonna win the war, like he seems to have 290 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: thought that the nationalists are going to beat them. And 291 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that he does is basically de 292 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: industrializes Japan's giant industrial belt and occupied Ventchuria. This is 293 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: a completely intact industrial belt. It is one of the 294 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: largest like intact industrial belts in the world, and Stalin, 295 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: like in classic Soviet fashion, takes the factories, takes them apart, 296 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: puts them on trains, and ships them across the sorry 297 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: to rebuild the Soviet economy. 298 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: YEP. One of the first of many such incidents. 299 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a catastrophe for the CCP because 300 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: even after the CCP wins the war, because they've now 301 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, so it's like Shanghai is in ruins, Beijing, 302 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: like most of China is just in ruins because of 303 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean, like what what year they on if effectively 304 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: continuous fighting and the after the war. China's industrial base 305 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: in this is nineteen forty nine, right, their industrial base 306 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: is smaller than Russia's in nineteen seventeen, which is just nuts, 307 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: it is and this is small, yeah, and this is 308 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: the conditions that the everything, the entire course of twenty 309 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: century Chinese history are defined by these conditions, right, and 310 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: these specific conditions are this is basically a production bottleneck, right, 311 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: And I've talked about this on the show before. This 312 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: is one of the sort of most important things in 313 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: twentieth century Chinese political economy is that, you know, the 314 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: CCP is trying to simultaneously expand its agricultural production to 315 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: feed people and also expand its industrial capacity. It's mostly 316 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: trying to expand it to its industrial capacity. The problem 317 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: is they can't expand their industrial capacity without expanding their 318 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: agricultural capacity, and they can't expand their agricultural capacity without 319 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: expanding their industrial capacity. And their attempt just blow through 320 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: this by like mass use of human labor is the 321 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: great lead board. It's a complete catastrophe. Right, This is 322 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: just gonna fuck Like whatever like intentions like the Chinese 323 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: Revolution had, this is just going to fuck them because 324 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: the combination of this and their ideology is just going 325 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: to doom the entire project. And you know this and 326 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: so the other thing about this period, the Soviets are 327 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: really really patronizing, like they talk about like constantly and 328 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: like diplomatic things, like they talk about the Soviet like 329 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: the Chinese is like their younger brothers. There's like this 330 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: weird like thing going on. This isn't enough to substantially 331 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: threaten their alliance, but the relationship between the USSR and 332 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: China is never as it's never quite as firm as 333 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: people think it is. Now the thing that really like 334 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: kickstarts the break between the USSR and China is Khrushchev's 335 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: secret speech denouncing Stalin. So this gets like leaked. Krushchev 336 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: makes the speech for he was like, wow, Stalin did 337 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: some fucked up stuff they called the personality was bad actually, 338 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: and this pisses off an enormous number of peoples. Mau 339 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: Forever like problems malhas with Stalin. He takes a very 340 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: hard line on this where he's like, no, I'm like this. 341 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: The Soviets are now revisionists. They have abandoned the path 342 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: of Marcus Leninism. I am now the only anti revisionist 343 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: in the world. And you know, and this whole thing 344 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: like results in these worstening relations between China and the 345 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: Soviet Union, with the CCP basically calling the Soviets like 346 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: weak neck bureaucratic social imperialists and the Soviets looking at 347 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: like the great leap forward and being like, what are 348 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: these maniacs doing? And this tension escalates to the sixties 349 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: is both sides start massing troops on the Chinese Soviet border. 350 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: Now meanwhile, so so okay, the sixties goes on and 351 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: control of the Soviet Union has fallen to Leoned Breshnev, 352 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: who is an absolute maniac, deeply weird, deeply not very 353 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: good guy, and he, in response to the Council Communist 354 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: uprising in Prague nineteen sixty eight, Breshnev rolls tanks in 355 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: kills everyone and then declares the Breshnev Doctrine, in which 356 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: Breshnev claims the right to overthrow any socialist government who 357 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: the Soviets decided we're trying to become capitalists, which I mean, 358 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: this is the Soviet's right like that that what that 359 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: actually means is that they don't align with USSR. So 360 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: Breshnev means this to be about Eastern Europe, right, Mao 361 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: looks at this and goes, oh shit, Breshnev is going 362 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: to try to overthrow me. And this does not go well. 363 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: So and you know, I know that thing he's looking 364 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: at it, he's looking at like the Soviet troops massing 365 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: on the border, and he's like, oh shit. And this 366 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: is where things get absolutely wild. In nineteen sixty nine, 367 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: there are a giant series of border skirmishes between this 368 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: between Soviet and Chinese troops. People are killing each other 369 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: across this enormous This is like continent side border. People 370 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: are like like like companies of Chinese and Soviet troops 371 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: are like firing artillery at each other. Everyone is completely 372 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: losing their minds. And this is actually like one of 373 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: the reasons why like every once in a while you'll 374 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: get these things from the Himalayas and China's border with India, 375 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: where everyone's like hitting each other with sticks. And the 376 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: reason you're hitting each other with sticks is that like 377 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: the Chinese were like, wait, hold on, it's actually a 378 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: bad idea to have guys with guns on the border 379 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: of a nuclear power. 380 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they have some amazing, amazing brawls. 381 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, but and the funny thing like 382 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: that that's the reasonable version of this. In sixty nine, 383 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: they're having the unreasonable version of this, where the Soviets 384 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: are looking at the situation and they're going, oh shit, 385 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: we can't win a war with China because their calculation 386 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: is that they will eventually be overwhelmed by a combination 387 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: of human wave attacks and the fact that like an 388 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: enormous portion of the China's the Chinese population has been 389 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: trained in guerrilla warfare. And there's second problem is that 390 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: the Chinese population is to disperse for them to all 391 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: be killed by the Soviet nuclear weapons. And the CCP 392 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: makes the same assessment, and it's like, Okay, if we 393 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: fight this war, like the human wave attacks are just 394 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: going to eventually are going to crush them. We're going 395 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: to use force numbers that can't kill us all with nukes. 396 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: So the Soviets plan for this is they are like 397 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: drawing up plans to line the border with China with 398 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: nuclear land mines to stop the chese. 399 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: It's nuts. 400 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: Everyone is losing their. 401 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: Minds normal times. 402 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I've seen rumors this is the thing. I 403 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: don't have actually good sources on. I've seen a lot 404 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: of rumors that both the both the Soviets and China 405 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: like reached out to the US try to get them 406 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: the nuke. The other side, it's everyone is everyone is 407 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: completely losing their minds, and you know, so at this point, 408 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: like both sides kind of back down because both of 409 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: them realized that, like, fighting this war is the stupidest 410 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: thing that anything could possibly do, because there's there's like 411 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: there is there was a little tiny shred of sanity 412 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: left in both sides. That's like, do we like actually 413 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: what to have a nuclear war? And they're like no, okay, 414 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: But this marks the permanent solidification of what's called the 415 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: Sino Soviet split. And do you know what else is 416 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: it is? It is a Sino Soviet split. It's the 417 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: split between the part of the episode that's ads and 418 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: the part of the episode that's episode. 419 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: That is a very important split that does relate to 420 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 3: the worker councils of the Soviet state, because if the 421 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: Soviets got their wish for world domination, we wouldn't be 422 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 3: pivoting to an added break. Instead, this would be uh, 423 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 3: purely workers sponsor. 424 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 425 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: Here's the app. 426 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: All right, I for one, am very excited to get 427 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 3: those Coininger limited edition NFT collectibles. I think it's a 428 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: real solid investment. So I know it sounds a little 429 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 3: far fetched, but hey, in ten years you can sell 430 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: it to some guy from the CCP and you might 431 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: make a lot of money. So yeah, food for thought 432 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: or the ad. That's right, that's right. You can sell 433 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: it to Pit Cabbage. He could buy that for like 434 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: ten grand. Know all, if you spend one thousand dollars 435 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: and in ten years you could be getting ten grand 436 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: from Pit Cabbage, And that sounds like that sounds like 437 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 3: a great deal. 438 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: That's a that's a ten percent discount as well with 439 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: the discount code. Garrison Davis Please sorry, he's back in 440 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: a scripted podcast. 441 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: So the back in nineteen sixty nine, basically from from 442 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, So basically from this point on, the USSR 443 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: and People's Republic of China are enemies. This is what's 444 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: called the Sino Soviet split. And Mao begins casting around 445 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: for allies, and into this breach steps a man, a 446 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: cursed through history, who's who's towering footfalls echo through the 447 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: halls of power. I am talking, of course about Charles 448 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: de gall friends. 449 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, most Frenchman two exists. 450 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Degall has been devising a strategy to pull 451 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: China away from the USSR and towards the West. And 452 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: this is the origin of what's called triangle diplomacy. Now, 453 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: Kissinger steals this idea and goes and does it. But 454 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: this was not Kissinger's idea. This was a This was 455 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: a plan that was already kind of in motion that 456 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: he stole from the Gall. 457 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: Good artists copy, great artists steel. If Kissinger was anything, 458 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: it was an artist, a great artist. 459 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: What the Tony Blair Foundation said, It's not as Joe, 460 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: God fucking Joe, because everything's too fucked. 461 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 3: I'm quoting the Tony Blair Foundation. 462 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: That was it. 463 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: There was, there was, there was there was some uh 464 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: oh god, I can't remember his name. So so someone 465 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: in the seventies declared that satire the day, the day 466 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: that Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize the day 467 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: satire died. And he was right, And this is why 468 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: satire doesn't work anymork. 469 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony Blair is now pissing on its grave. 470 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah so all right, but the you know, Okay. So, 471 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: so this triangle diplomacy thing, Kissinger basically takes it over. 472 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: And the key element of this plan is is to 473 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: use China as a bulwark against the Soviets both in 474 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: East and Southeast Asia and in places like Central Africa. 475 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: But in order to do this they have to actually 476 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: like establish contact with China, a thing they haven't had 477 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: in like thirty years. Wow, he's twenty ah whatever, Hey complicated. 478 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through the entire diplomatic history 479 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: of China. But you know, if and this is this 480 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: is the origin of one of Kissinger's most famous crimes, 481 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: which is Operation search Light, which is Pakistan's genocide and Bangladesh. 482 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: They kill about three million people. If you want to 483 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: really detailed account of this, go listen to the Behind 484 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: the Baskets episodes. The short version of this is that 485 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: Pakistan has been a Chinese ally for a while for 486 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, one of which is China's antagonism 487 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: with India, which peaked in nineteen sixty two when China 488 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: just straight up invaded and He's beeded border region, conquered 489 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: it and then like handed Nehru his ass in the 490 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: process of what became known as a Sino Indian war. 491 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: And this is an incredible betrayal. By the way, like Nehru, 492 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: who was the Prime Minister of India, Nehru had turned 493 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: down a permanent seat on the UN Security Council because 494 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: because he was being given the seat as a way 495 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: to make sure China didn't get it, and he turned it. 496 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: He turned down that seat to get China onto the 497 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: Security Council like out of out of like not I'm 498 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: out of geopolitical like this was basically a pure like 499 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: ideological I'm doing this because it's the right thing to 500 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: do thing, and Mao returns him by fucking invading India. 501 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: So because of this and because of like you know, 502 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: India Pakistan don't like each other. This is this is known. 503 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: The Pakistani government is very close with China. Pakistani troops 504 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: are trained by the Chinese army. They are armed with 505 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: Chinese weapons and with Kissinger's blessings, so he could use 506 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: the Pakistani government as an intermediary to negotiate with China. 507 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: The Pakistani government seeds to kill three million Bangladeshis. It 508 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: is yeah, this is it is among the worst crimes 509 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: the twentieth century. It is a crime that it is 510 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: broadly forgotten. China's complicity in it is forgotten. The American's 511 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: complicity in it is barely remembered, basically only when people 512 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: talk about Kissinger. But this was one of the worst 513 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: things that happened in like one of the worst centuries 514 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: in human history. But you know, for Kissinger, this is 515 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: an enormous success, right He gets everything that he fucking 516 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: wants out of it, doesn't give a shit about bankwadeesh 517 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: She's then. You know, this is a tradition that has 518 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: like echoed through the like the eons of the oliberals 519 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: ever since the US successfully opens diplomatic channels with China. 520 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: And soon Kissinger and Nixon are going to meet Mao 521 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: in China, and I'm going to read from Mao talking 522 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: to Kissinger, so you can understand who these people are. 523 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: The tree between on two countries at present is very pitiful, 524 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: is gradually increasing. You know, China is a poor country. 525 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: We don't have very much. What we have in excess 526 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: is women, Kissinger. There are no quotas or terrible for those, 527 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: Chairman Mao. So if you want so, if you want them, 528 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: we can give you a few of those some tens 529 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: of thousands. Prime Minister cho of course, on a voluntary basis. Chairman, Mao, 530 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: let them go to your place. They will create disasters. 531 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: That way you can lessen our burdens. Laughter. Sometime later, Mao, 532 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: do you want our Chinese women? We can give you 533 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: ten million laughter, says the Chairman is improving his offer bow. 534 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: By doing this, we can let them flood your country 535 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: with disaster and therefore impair your interest in our country. 536 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: We have too many women, and they have a way 537 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: of doing things. They give birth the children, and our 538 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: children are too many. 539 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 3: I mean, this is like a deeply CCP moment, like. 540 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, this like this is one of these things. Was 541 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: like there are people in the United States to this 542 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: day who call themselves Maoists and like and think that 543 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: this guy was like on the fucking left, and it's like, like, 544 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: how do you fucking read that? Like him just him, 545 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: just doing this fucking banter with the butcher of Bangladesh 546 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: and be like no, no, no, this is the guy 547 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: who figured out to keep the key to achieving like socialism, right, 548 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: is the guy you figured o how to end the 549 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: class system and end imperialism? Is this fucking guy polling 550 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: it up with fucking Henry fucking Kissinger like it's terrible, Like. 551 00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 3: I just. 552 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, the king to being a mauist 553 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: is not reading this though true. 554 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: I've seen MAOIs on Twitter try to defend this with 555 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: their like well, it was only like a temporary thing 556 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: because the Soviets were threatening the new China and like, 557 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm one of the things that one 558 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: of the real problems they have is that so in Angola, 559 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: there's a civil war in Angola. There is a faction 560 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: that are the good guys, and then there's a faction 561 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: that's being backed by apartheise South Africa, and China is 562 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: backing the apartheid South Africa fashion. 563 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, and this is the thing they 564 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 3: have to justify and they can't. 565 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: And this actually, and you know, one of this actually 566 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: has impacts in the US because like American maoists are 567 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: confronted with this and are like what the fuck, like 568 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: what is this ship? And there are some of them 569 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: who just like ignore it in a quadruple down, there 570 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: are some of it who become disillusioned. 571 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: You could even pick a different tanky like like Cuba 572 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: heavily supported the MPLA and I go, for instance, like. 573 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, just like yeah, moved to like Castro or something. 574 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. Trotsky is right there, he's right there. 575 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: With an ice pick in his head. 576 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: So true. 577 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: Should have happened to Kissinger. 578 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: We got. 579 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: A fucking incredible alternate history. 580 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: Lives and Kissinger dies, lives to one hundred. 581 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: The world is so much it's the world's are like 582 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 3: a great place, but it is a much better place 583 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 3: in that alternate history. 584 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if Trotsky had held on long enough 585 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: for social media to exist? You know, oh my god, 586 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: poster him and the one the person I've been most 587 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: sad right now that never gone on there was God, 588 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: he would have been killed it. Yeah. 589 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a few people you just think would have 590 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: been magnificent. 591 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: Doll has a famous Kissinger moment where he's he's he's 592 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: watching he runs into a Kissinger like in the Sistine Chapel, 593 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: like looking at the part that's like looking at the 594 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: hell part of it. Vidald goes Kissinger is apartment hunting. 595 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: Very funny y. 596 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is braid. 597 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: So many of these. There's another famous one where the 598 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: the absolutely dog ship American author Norman Baylor punches him 599 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: and he's like falls over because he's got punched. While 600 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: he's on the ground, Vidal goes words fail Norman Baylor again. 601 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really incredible guy, real time posting it. Yeah, tragic, tragic, 602 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: it never made it. Lots of tragedies unfolding. One of 603 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: them is that you know this whole thing of like 604 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: like Kissinger bantering with Maw like this, it works like 605 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: the US and China established empthomatic relations and this is 606 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: a this is a seismic shift in sort of Chinese 607 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: popular culture and media and consciousness because from the Korean 608 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: War until like the seventies, right, the way people think 609 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: about America and the way they're portrayed in Chinese media 610 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: is like as the great imperialist enemy. Right, Like the 611 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: last time there was contact between the US and China, 612 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: it is a bunch of Chinese troops doing bayonet charges, 613 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: like wearing sandals in the fucking snow, doing bayonet chargers 614 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: through their own artillery broads to kill American troops like that. 615 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: That is like like the amount of hatred like there 616 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: is unbelievable, and you know it's funny because like the 617 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: US like really forgot that war, but like China did not, right, 618 00:34:52,520 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: and suddenly like America is China's friend. And the human 619 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: face of this absolutely Parkle shift in basically the entire 620 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: ideological system of Chinese communism. The face of this shift 621 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: in in the just the image of what America is, 622 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: which is like it doesn't it's not quite mapping on, 623 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: but it's like like America, like it's it's kind of 624 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: like how Baptists think about the devil, right like that 625 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 1: that that is the role that America has in Chinese 626 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: like popular sort of culture, like up until this point, 627 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: and then suddenly it's completely pivoted on its head. And 628 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: the face of this shift is Kissinger. And you know, 629 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: and this, uh, this is ping pong Eurasia is what 630 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: you're doing right now. This happened due to this all 631 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: happened due to table tennis. And I won't hear any 632 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: other way. Oh god, I was I specifically did it 633 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: include that the table tennis diplomacy at this because I 634 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: was like, I hate the ship. 635 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, when liberals really get on that ship, they 636 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: talk about ping. I think Joseph Rye was a big 637 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 2: ping pong diplomacy. 638 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like you know, but I I think, 639 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: like being on diplomacy is an example of like how 640 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: circumscribed the contact between the U to the US and 641 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: China is. Right, Like again, like we're talking about like 642 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: like ping pong team is playing each other. This is 643 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: like the big diplomatic and cultural exchanges going on between 644 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 1: China and the US. There's nothing. And this is something 645 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: that you have to sort of understand if you want 646 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: to understand this pivot, is how isolated China was. Right 647 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: Like the US through this entire period is pretending that 648 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: the nationalists in Taiwan or the legitimate government of all 649 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: of China, they have blocked off effectively all trade with China. 650 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: They've blocked off basically all trade from the US. They've 651 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: blocked off a huge amount of international trade and and 652 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, and this, this, this is something that really 653 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: really cripples the Chinese economy. Like you know, you can't 654 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: quite blame it for like the famines because like I mean, 655 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: for example, like the CCP was exporting grain to the 656 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: USSR while greatly before what was happening, right like, but 657 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: I mean it didn't fucking help that. And one of 658 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: the other big consequence of this is that it is 659 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: almost impossible for Chinese people to go to China like you, 660 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: you basically can't do it. And this is an enormous 661 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: deal because there are tens of millions of Chinese people 662 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: across the world who can't go back to China. These 663 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: people can't see their families, they can't see their friends, 664 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: they can't go to the graves of their ancestors, they 665 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: can't they can't go home. And this happened with my family, 666 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: Like my grandpa didn't see his brothers and sisters for 667 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: forty years after the war. Forty years just did not 668 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: see his family. And you know, and it's only when Kissinger, 669 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: and this is the way that it's seen in China, 670 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: it's only when Kissinger re establishes relationship, which Kissinger goes 671 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: out there and advocates, And the way they see it 672 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: is he's advocating for China in the US, which is 673 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: kind of true. But the way they see this is 674 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: only when Kissinger re establishes diplomatic relations that's when it 675 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: becomes possible for you to see your family again. And 676 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, like I cannot emphasize enough how big of 677 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: a deal this is in China. In the diaspora, Like 678 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: if you are in the diaspora, you can't get fucking 679 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: messages in you Like a lot of people don't know 680 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: whether their family is still alive because the last time 681 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: they saw them was the war or and when I 682 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: say though war, like that could be World War two, 683 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 1: that could be the Revolution, that could be people living 684 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: before that. And you know, this is a huge deal 685 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: in the diaspora too, to the point where like a 686 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: lot of the people who had been like in the 687 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 1: in the Asian American movements in sixty eight, like people 688 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: who had been like Yellow Peril, yellow power, people who 689 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: are like ally with black panthers, Like these people are 690 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 1: trying to get jobs in the Nixon State departments because 691 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: they want to be there to like help reopen diplomatic 692 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: relations with China. It is it is like, this is 693 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: like it is one of the sort of apocaum moments 694 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: of the second half of the twentieth century. Is this 695 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: this these diplomatic relations opening up again. And in the 696 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: Chinese media, they don't really want Nixon to be the 697 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: face of it because now they're. 698 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:03,919 Speaker 2: This is not great. 699 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: But so they they put they put Kissinger as like 700 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: the human face of all of this, and you know, 701 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: and and there's there's and there's a lot of benefits 702 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: in China from this. They're getting these massive technological transfers 703 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: from the US, and this is one of the things 704 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 1: that it's in I think it's a very underrated factor, 705 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: but this is one of the factors that makes their 706 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: their technology. Like sorry, let me say that again. This 707 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: is one of the factors that makes it's one of 708 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: the incredibly underrated factors that makes their industrialization program work. 709 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of places where people try similar 710 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: industrialization programs to what China is going to pull off, 711 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: like Venezuela, for example, tries this and Venezuela's program completely 712 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: fails because they don't have access to the technology that 713 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: the US got from basically sucking up or that China 714 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: got from sucking up to the US. And and Kissinger 715 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: is directly responsible for a lot of like a lot 716 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: of these technology transfers. And for this, Kissinger is labeled 717 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: as as like as a friend of the Chinese people 718 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: like this. This is literally the way that it's talked 719 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: about in the Chinese media, and even sort of beyond 720 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: just him being labeled like a friend of the Chinese 721 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: people like he is, like okay, So there's like one 722 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: or two other Americans who you can sort of like 723 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: publicly express admiration for. Who are people who like effectively 724 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: defected the China or just move to China and like 725 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: we're there for the revolution. But those aren't like major figures, right, 726 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: Like they're like communist journalists or stuff like that, or 727 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 1: like anthropologists, like they're not. This is the first like 728 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: actual public American figure that you were allowed and you 729 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: are encouraged to be like yay, this guy fucking rules. 730 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: And in a very short amount of time, Kissinger becomes 731 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: enormously popular as the man who you know, he's the 732 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: guy who restored Chinese American relations. He's the guy who 733 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: allowed all these people to see their families and ended 734 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: the saction to terror regime. I mean he'sn't actually end them, 735 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: but he's helping people work around them, and the sanctions 736 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: eventually sort of come down. But you know, all of 737 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: us comes with the price. And this brings us to 738 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: another Kissinger crime, which is a Kissinger in the coup 739 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: against Chile's democratically elected president Salvaduryende. So this coup is 740 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: fully green lit by the US, like Kissinger is involved 741 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: with it. Pinochet is going to murder forty thousand Chilans. 742 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: We've talked about this on the show a few times before, 743 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: but what we haven't really talked about much is that 744 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: after this, after the coup, Chile is like completely diplomatically isolated. 745 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: No one wants anything to do with them because this 746 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: just met like maybe like absolute maniac massive murderer has 747 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: just deposed like a sovereign government, like even like the 748 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: even the UK like won't like refuses to like talk 749 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: to them, right like like and when when like the 750 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: Brits won't talk to you because you've done too many crimes. Yeah, yeah, 751 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: you've really fucked it there, like the guys who who's 752 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: prime minister's son made a living doing coups. Yeah, but 753 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: there is one country other than the US that will 754 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: do that, will that will do that, will make deals 755 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: with Pinochet, and that country is China. And China funny 756 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,280 Speaker 1: funnels millions of dollars like to some literally to Pinochet 757 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: directly and to the Chilean government. And this is a 758 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 1: time where China is not rich, and this is millions 759 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: of dollars like in in like nineteen seventies money. It's 760 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: it's a lot of money, and and China is absolutely broke, 761 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: and they're fucking sending it to and they're sending it 762 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: to fucking Pinochet and like and like to get a 763 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: sense of how weird this stuff is in China, right, 764 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: Like a lot of people in China think that Pinochet 765 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: is a socialist because he's being portrayed positively in the 766 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: Chinese media, so they assume that he's a socialist. Like, 767 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: this is the kind of shit that's like just the 768 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: absolute brain worms that are happening in China at this 769 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: point because they're their connection to the outside world is 770 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: really really tenuous, and the Chinese media is suddenly gassing 771 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: up all of these just like horrific right wing dictators. 772 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: Now as as Kissinger Star sends in China, the CCP 773 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: begins pulling its own Kissingers. So this is this is 774 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: a a kind of a story we only learned about 775 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: pretty recently, I think, in like the last two years. 776 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: Benjaping was the first like Chinese communist leader to visit 777 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: the US, and so he got he's in Washington, DC, 778 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: and he takes time out of his schedule to have 779 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: a secret meeting with the CIA where he goes to 780 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: the CIA office to set up like list to set 781 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: up CIA listening posts in China to spy on the USSR. 782 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: And one of the products of this, you know, so 783 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: that's that's the sort of low level stuff that Chine's 784 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: gett involved with. The high level stuff is in nineteen 785 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: seventy nine, China invades Vietnam. They killed tens of thousands 786 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: of people, They devastate both the Chinese and music economy. 787 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that you know, 788 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: this is a decisive thing in the Cold War, right, 789 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 1: China has like donnic They've invaded fucking They've invaded Vietnam. Yeah, 790 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: and you know, and one of the one of the 791 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: sort of modern iterations of this right has been you know, 792 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: there's there's a long period of sort of like China's 793 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: alignment with the US, and one of the other things 794 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: that happens that China like becomes increasingly tied to Israel. 795 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that that's like 796 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: true of China to this day is like there are 797 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: a bunch of surveillance cameras in the West Bank that 798 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: are that are that the Israelis used to surveil Palestinians 799 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 1: that are built in China, right, the same the same 800 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: cameras that are being used in shing Juan. A lot 801 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: of like Chinese uh what's it called, Chinese police sometimes 802 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: special forces units like trained with Israeli like trainers. There's 803 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: a lot of like they do like count like quote 804 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,720 Speaker 1: unquote counter terrorism exchanges and and the other big aspect 805 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: of this is that a huge part of the Israeli 806 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: tech industry and a huge part of UH like they're 807 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: sort of like defense complex is fueled directly by Chinese 808 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,439 Speaker 1: resources and by Chinese raw materials, and also by things 809 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: like transistors that they're importing from China. And this is 810 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: this is the product of the sort of long arc 811 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: of Kissinger's work in China, and Kissinger's work sort of 812 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: peeling off Egypt UH from the Palestinian like Soviet camp 813 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: And this ultimately is the price of opening relations with 814 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: the US. It's not a price that's paid by the 815 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: Chinese ruling class. Instead, what happens is that every dissident 816 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: in China, every fucking child in CAMPODI, every teenager and 817 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: he's Teamwar, and every veteran in Vietnam Mao sells them 818 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: the fuck out, Dingha Ping sells them out, Kuchinito sells 819 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,479 Speaker 1: them out, Xijinping sells them out. They take American money, 820 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: they take American technology, They shake hands with Kissinger, and 821 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,439 Speaker 1: they let Bangladesh burn. And for this, Kissinger would remain 822 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: a steadfast ally the Chinese capitalist classes entire life. When 823 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: the CCP butchered the last gas of the Chinese working 824 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: class at Tienemen, Kissinger stood by the CCP and basically 825 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: is one of the few Americans straight out doing pr 826 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: for them. He does it again when China's tried to 827 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: enter the World Trade Organization. He like, this is the 828 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: last thing he was doing before he fucking died was 829 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: going It was going to China and allying himself for 830 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: the Chinese ruling class. And you know, he meets Xi 831 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: Jinping and is greeted as an old friend. And this 832 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,760 Speaker 1: is how you get to the thing that's been happening today, 833 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: which is like all of these Chinese, like the Chinese 834 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,840 Speaker 1: Foreign Ministry and a bunch of timehmaking Chinese government officials 835 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: like releasing these statements about how doctor Kissinger is a 836 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: good friend of the Chinese people, and this ultimately is 837 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: what Kissinger represents the prospect of the alliance between the 838 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: American and Chinese capitalist class built on the blood of 839 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,280 Speaker 1: the working class of five confidents. It is a world 840 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: in which there is peace and prosperity for the bourgeoisie, 841 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: where there was starvation and death for everyone else. And 842 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: this still to this day, is the regime that rules 843 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: the US, it is the regime that rules China. And 844 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: they are being united for one final time in their 845 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: life of one Henry Kissinger. And yeah, that's basically all 846 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: I've got. I guess the last thing I can say 847 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: is one of the things that I think I hope 848 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: people will understand about this is that the way that 849 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 1: the American left thinks about China, like the that it 850 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 1: the way that it's politics function, are completely illegible in China, 851 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: like there are no like in the US. It is 852 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 1: very common to have someone who is like pro Palestine, 853 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: who is like socialist, who is like pro LGBTQ like rights, 854 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: who like you know, who considers hissel as nanty imperialists, 855 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: who is also pro CCP and also fucking hates Kissinger. 856 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: And this is not a position that exists in China. 857 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: There is nobody like this, Nobody, fucking like, no one 858 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: at all believes this because it's just it's not a 859 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: coherent political position. Is it is an American projection of 860 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: politics on the China because again, meanwhile, like the actual 861 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: thing that's happened in China is because of the way 862 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: the media has covered Kissinger. The thing they covered is 863 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: the normalization of US China relations and not all of 864 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: the fucking genocides that he did. And so they have 865 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,799 Speaker 1: the same fucking whitewashed view of Kissinger that like right 866 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: wing Americans do and that the American ruling class does. 867 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 3: And this is truly, truly has been the century of 868 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 3: Kissinger from twenty three to twenty three. 869 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,879 Speaker 1: But but fuck that, the center of Kissinger is over. 870 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: Now is the century of the social revolution. We're fucking 871 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: going for his ass. We're gonna tear apart everything he 872 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: ever built. That motherfucker's gonna watch from hell as we 873 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 1: destroy everything he ever created his entire life. Yeah, we 874 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,439 Speaker 1: got time. 875 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 2: Let's that's why we're we're taking a week off to 876 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 2: go to Chile and begin the social revolution that Kissinger destroyed. 877 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 2: Again as a podcast, we we. 878 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 3: We do now have to choose the new most evil 879 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 3: person alive. There's there's been quite a there has been 880 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 3: quite a few in the running. We have we have 881 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 3: Chinese up there, obviously, we have uh W Bush, we 882 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 3: have we have net and Yahoo. 883 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: We have. 884 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 2: Making a strong case right now. Yeah, we have did 885 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 2: him off. Maybe he wanted to take the seat, take 886 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 2: the throne. 887 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 3: Yeahs made a decently strong case. Sure, yeah, sure there 888 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 3: is there is, There is a decent list running. I 889 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,320 Speaker 3: think only time will tell for who will truly have 890 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 3: a lasting impact of similar evil. But yes, that there 891 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 3: is now a new new open position for most evil 892 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 3: person alive. So many people are throwing their hat into 893 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 3: the ring. We will see how this contest plays out. 894 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you will. You will hear it when when 895 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: that fucking person dies. You will hear it on this 896 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: show too, And we will enjoy it. Yeah, it's panik 897 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,800 Speaker 1: it out here. Go have a good time. Enjoy, Enjoy 898 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: for this enjoy. By the time you're hearing this, the 899 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 1: second ever sunrise in a hundred years that does not 900 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: have Henry Kissinger under it. 901 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, somewhere today, somewhere in the world, a baby has 902 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 2: been born in a post Kissinger world, and we can 903 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 2: we can. 904 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 3: All the most evil baby has been born and we have. 905 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: To yeah yeah somewhere thanks to the cyclo Sam Sarah 906 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger is attack. 907 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 3: That's right. 908 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 2: So if you're squeezing out a baby this month, just 909 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,359 Speaker 2: be careful. 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