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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. George Norri with you. Quick update on

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Speaker 1: the nineteen year old student at Central Michigan University accused

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Speaker 1: of killing his parents. They're in the dormitory. He has

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Speaker 1: just been arrested. He has just been arrested, so the

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Speaker 1: fear at that campus should be a little calmer now.

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Speaker 1: David John Oates back with us on Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you a little bit about David, founder

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Speaker 1: and developer of the reverse speech technologies. He was the

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Speaker 1: first person to ever document speech reversals in human speech

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Speaker 1: back in three He has worked extensively since on research

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Speaker 1: and development, as well as maintaining a therapeutic and consulting practice.

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Speaker 1: David has had an active career further in the field

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Speaker 1: of reverse speech as his full time occupation. He's got

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Speaker 1: several books out as well, including Beyond Backward Masking and

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Speaker 1: Reverse Speech Voices from the Unconscious. His websites are linked

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Speaker 1: up at Coast to Coast a m dot com. David,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. How are you sir? Very good? How are

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Speaker 1: you good? Looking forward to this? I listened to all

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Speaker 1: the clips which will be playing many of them tonight

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Speaker 1: on the show. Really Bizarre, explained the folks who are

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Speaker 1: brand new to the show. David. Just what is reverse speech? Well,

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Speaker 1: the actual function of it is if you record humor

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Speaker 1: speech and run the type in reverse about once or

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Speaker 1: twenty seconds, you can hear this very clear phrase of

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Speaker 1: the gibberish that I maintain is the unconscious mind speaking.

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Speaker 1: I've developed a theory to explain it. The theory states

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Speaker 1: that languages by level forwards as well as backwards, and

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Speaker 1: as the human brain is constructing the sounds of speech.

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Speaker 1: It's putting those sounds together in such a way, the

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Speaker 1: way saying to things, one forwards and one in reverse.

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Speaker 1: So it's the natural function of language. It's the unconscious

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Speaker 1: mind speaking. Who we really are is embedded backwards into

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Speaker 1: the sounds of our speech. And it is really bizarre too,

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Speaker 1: because they talk forward. Uh, you know consciously, you know,

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Speaker 1: like we're talking right now. But if you were to

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Speaker 1: play it backward, you'll pick up these little tiny things. Now,

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Speaker 1: what kind of an ear do you need to have, David,

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Speaker 1: to pick up those phrases listening in reverse? Oh? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's actually a lot harder than it might sound find them.

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Speaker 1: I've been really lucky because I'm a hand ready, or

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Speaker 1: I pray, I sort of drew up all my life

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Speaker 1: listening to faint radio signals, and so I picked up

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Speaker 1: a pretty good ear. Um. It takes me a good

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Speaker 1: six months to train someone to be able to hear

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Speaker 1: it fairly well. Um. We have some people who start

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Speaker 1: and they can hear reversals from day one, and other

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Speaker 1: people that take some several weeks before they start to

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Speaker 1: hear them. Some people seem to have a natural talent

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Speaker 1: for it um. Yeah. So, but if you practice and

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Speaker 1: practice and practice, you'll get there and you'll find them,

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Speaker 1: you know, and they're they're, they're, they're all throughout speech.

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Speaker 1: Would like I said about what's every twenty or thirty seconds?

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Speaker 1: How often do people do this? Every twenty or thirty seconds?

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Speaker 1: But does everyone do it? Oh? Yeah, it's a natural

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Speaker 1: function of language. All of us are doing it now.

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Speaker 1: It does depend on the type of conversation. If you've

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Speaker 1: got a very casual, relaxed conversation, like you're sitting around

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Speaker 1: a living room with friends, you'll get reversals constantly and frequently,

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Speaker 1: about once every g ways. You can get once every

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Speaker 1: ten seconds in a normal room conversation. When you look

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Speaker 1: at media and public transcripts, they drop off quite considerably.

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Speaker 1: Media you may only get them once every two or

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Speaker 1: three minutes. Now, I believe that is because it's the

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Speaker 1: right brain hemisphere that's constructing the sounds of speech and sorry,

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Speaker 1: that's that's constructing the sounds to create the reverse speech.

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Speaker 1: So the more right brain you are, the more reversals

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Speaker 1: will occur. So where you've got media, which is a

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Speaker 1: I have not yet found anyone who doesn't have reversals. No,

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Speaker 1: how did you start doing this ding? That is? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you wake up in the morning going

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Speaker 1: I want to investigate reverse speech. What happened? No, it

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Speaker 1: certainly was not in my career path, There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that. I'm a youth worker on accouncilor by profession.

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Speaker 1: That was my early career. And and I was running

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Speaker 1: a halfway house for strict kids back in eighty three

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Speaker 1: and one of them had got this sermon from a

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Speaker 1: fundamentalist on the tape about satanic measures in rock and

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Speaker 1: in rock and rails. I went home and played and

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Speaker 1: so this is a whole lot of rubbish, you know.

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Speaker 1: But I got a tape last started running in backwards,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I was hearing these phrases and going, well,

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Speaker 1: this is quite bizarre. What on earth is this? And

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Speaker 1: I spent probably two or three months running my whole

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Speaker 1: musical collection backwards and finding all these phrases. And then

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Speaker 1: I accidentally stumbled across within human speech a few months later.

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of one thing to hear it in

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Speaker 1: music is a bit of a strange odd the te

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Speaker 1: but the summer here and in speech, and then to

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Speaker 1: start hearing what people are thinking and feeling in speech

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Speaker 1: backwards and I'm going, WHOA, what is this? This is

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Speaker 1: quite amazing. So yeah, so that's how I got started.

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Speaker 1: And I wrote my first book in eighty seven and

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Speaker 1: put the theory foward the languages by level, and it

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Speaker 1: was published across Australia. And here I am now thirty

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Speaker 1: five years later. It's amazing. Now. I remember as a

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Speaker 1: teenager listening to the Beatles and the big controversy about

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Speaker 1: Paul McCartney being dead, and that there was a clip

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Speaker 1: on one of the records that if you played it

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Speaker 1: backwards reverse you would hear it called Paul is dead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. I remember listening to them as a teenager,

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Speaker 1: being quite freaked out at night hearing the d jay

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Speaker 1: playing the records backward. Yeah. You look. The Beaters have

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Speaker 1: always denied they did that deliberately, but it's clearly the

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Speaker 1: phrases are that I buried Paul, Paul is a dead man,

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Speaker 1: miss him, miss him, missing him? Turn me on dead man?

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Speaker 1: Is that some of the phrases. They're clearly engineered, the messages.

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Speaker 1: They're not what we call reverse spiece they're liberally done

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Speaker 1: on the record. Beaters have always denied that they did it,

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Speaker 1: but given the inventive mind of John Lennon, I'm not. Probably.

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Speaker 1: If it were a marketing technique, it was probably brilliant

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Speaker 1: because it got the entire planet to listen to more

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Speaker 1: Beatles songs. Absolutely, absolutely it did. It was a brilliant technique.

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Speaker 1: And see what happened. People started playing the Beatles records.

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Speaker 1: Back was to find these records. Its find of these

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Speaker 1: hidden messages, and they started finding other things that were

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Speaker 1: not their door. And then of course the fundamentals on

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Speaker 1: the man wagon and said, oh this is the Devil's music.

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Speaker 1: There's backward messages. It has to be Satan, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I mean how many times of human race does

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Speaker 1: that gives credit to Satan for some brand new discovering

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Speaker 1: and reverse pieces the same way. It started off with

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Speaker 1: shaky beginnings and and it's developed into real science. Now.

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