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Speaker 1: I'm Sophia and Sam. What does OPI do?

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Speaker 2: I mean it depends are they like a musketeer or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's going downhill. I mean, what they've lost

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Speaker 2: like ninety percent of their valuation. Maybe not that much,

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Speaker 2: bad everything that's not true. It is he got us

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Speaker 2: to Mars, he's gets he created Starlink, helped Ukraine with

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Speaker 3: He's helping us look at things in the dome.

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Speaker 1: And also got all of his money from them diamonds.

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Speaker 2: Apparently that's not true. I read the read the Walter

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it seems awfully suspicious.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, I'm kind of kind of like

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Speaker 2: Well, no, it's why I read the story. It's an autobiography.

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Speaker 2: It's a biography.

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Speaker 1: I work at Twitter.

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Speaker 1: This is on the fourteenth of November twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's important. I work at Twitter and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was fortunate enough to survive the round of

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Speaker 2: Fifty percent. That's crazy. Apparently he walked in with a

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Speaker 1: You're just going to hear alone. Yeah, but since then

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Speaker 2: And that was because Twitter was like basically remote before then.

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Speaker 1: Second and final update nineteenth of December twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: that did provide a good amount of closure for me,

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Speaker 1: since it truly felt at that point like Twitter was

445
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 1: gone and the new company had nothing to do with

446
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,480
Speaker 1: it anymore. I want to thank you for your reply

447
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,560
Speaker 1: to my initial letter and the kind responses from your readers.

448
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,639
Speaker 1: I have such a clear memory of writing that with

449
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 1: this pit of dread in my stomach because I felt

450
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 1: so hopelessly stocked. And it's quite nice to look back

451
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 1: on that and realize how differently I feel now. I'm

452
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 1: so appreciative. Wow, yay, yay, I'm happy.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel I mean like it's good that Ope

454
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,159
Speaker 2: found something else. But I imagine not everyone was so

455
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Speaker 2: lucky to leave Twitter, and exactly.

456
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Speaker 1: It's really hard to find, especially a lot of people

457
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Speaker 1: who seem to be working there for a long times.

458
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Speaker 1: It's hard to find, like op set, it's hard to

459
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Speaker 1: find a new job.

460
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Speaker 2: The job market in tech is kind of hard.

461
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Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah, rough, No, I think one, it was

462
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Speaker 1: obviously a horrible decision, and yes everything.

463
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Speaker 2: Do we know where Twitter stock is right now? Yeah?

464
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Speaker 2: I want to know Twitter all right, so I'm looking

465
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Speaker 2: up Twitter stock.

466
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Speaker 1: So I think that like renaming your company.

467
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 2: Is a bad idea, Yeah, especially something that like.

468
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: HBO Max named their Max. Now everyone's to refers to

469
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Speaker 1: them as HBO.

470
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but like Max, it kind of makes sense.

471
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Speaker 1: But like their company was HBO and then their various

472
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 1: off brand things were like HBO Max, HBO go blah

473
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,920
Speaker 1: blah blah blah.

474
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Speaker 3: It's three bucks weird.

475
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 1: What was it like before?

476
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Speaker 3: So it went down? When did? When did Elon?

477
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Speaker 1: I think twenty twenty two?

478
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Speaker 2: Uh well, I think it started in twenty twenty one June.

479
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 1: No, oh, octas June twenty twenty three.

480
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Speaker 3: So he acquired October of twenty twenty two.

481
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Speaker 2: Oh wait, is Twitter pro private company now?

482
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Speaker 3: So it's going downhill?

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

484
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Speaker 3: It was doing all right and then he got it

485
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Speaker 3: in October?

486
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Speaker 2: Is now it's still publicly traded?

487
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 3: I think, Oh shoot, it looked like it's stocked.

488
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: I think it's a private company now.

489
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Speaker 3: Oh shoot, yeah, stopped in October.

490
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Elon bought everything. Yeah. I think that dip

491
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 2: was when he took over Twitter revenue. So it is

492
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 2: bringing two point five billion in advertising one year after

493
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk bought Twitter X Monthly users are down fifteen

494
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 2: percent and ad revenue has slumped fifty four percent. That's crazy.

495
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: That's significant.

496
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Speaker 1: Bad bad, bad, bad, bad bad.

497
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Speaker 2: That's why you should use So you're not an Elon

498
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: Musk fan, no, big time. No, I think I'm like

499
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 2: a little bit.

500
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Speaker 3: You were all about him, but the end you were like,

501
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Speaker 3: I love Elon me I would be like him.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like Elon. I do. I mean, I

503
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: think I was inspired by.

504
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: His book, but read another book like what, I don't know, read.

505
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 2: The anti Elon book. I mean, I think he's just

506
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: done a lot of cool things, like I mean the

507
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Speaker 2: like the SpaceX stuff is amazing PayPal so in his

508
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: early ventures too. I think he's done a lot of

509
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: cool things for the world generally. Like I think he's

510
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

511
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when he called those two guys who

512
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 1: were trying to save the Boys and Thailand pedophiles.

513
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Speaker 2: I think he's an I don't think he's a good

514
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: per but I think he's done good for the world,

515
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: and I think those are like like, I think if

516
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: the price of some of the technological output that he's

517
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: had is an asshole, like, I think it's a worthwhile price.

518
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: I don't know.

519
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't know. Do you think

520
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: the earth is better for having Elon? Put your answers

521
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Speaker 2: to the comments below. I know I'm going to get

522
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: torn to pieces for this.

523
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Speaker 1: Ye help me prove him wrong.

524
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna get torn to pieces, I know.

525
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Speaker 1: Okay, don't tear sham to pieces, but tell him kindly

526
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Speaker 1: and respectfully why he's wrong.

527
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Speaker 3: Just humble him a bit, bro.

528
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Speaker 2: I'm always give us the facts. I've been humbled enough

529
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Speaker 2: on this show by by our fans. Man, You're not

530
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Speaker 2: You're just not woke them, Sam, I'm just not woken

531
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Speaker 2: of that.

532
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Speaker 1: Uh.

533
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Speaker 2: You know what I am awake for the next day? Today?

534
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: If up by getting too drunk at the office party

535
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Speaker 2: after I got promoted to manager. This is Okyop, home

536
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: of the craziest stories on Earth. I'm Sam and Sophia.

537
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Speaker 2: Should you get drunk at an office party? Or should

538
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Speaker 2: you drink at an office party?

539
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Speaker 1: I think you can drink an a office party. I

540
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Speaker 1: just don't think you should get wasted.

541
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Speaker 2: So how many drinks one drink too?

542
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Speaker 1: It depends on the person.

543
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Speaker 2: How many drinks would you have?

544
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Speaker 1: Probably one I would. I don't drink.

545
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Speaker 2: But is that a good thing to get a little

546
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Speaker 2: shwasty after a promotion.

547
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Speaker 1: I've never been to an office party, so I don't know.

548
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Speaker 1: Oh that's not true. I actually I went to Starbucks parties.

549
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, really fun.

550
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were like very small and obviously no

551
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Speaker 1: alcohol because it was on campus.

552
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Speaker 2: Oh yikes.

553
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah boo wouldn't you say, are get togethers at office parties?

554
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Speaker 2: Yeah, get togethers.

555
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Speaker 1: I feel like, personally, I think that if you're in

556
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Speaker 1: a workplace, you shouldn't be getting too drunk. Drunk, that's

557
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Speaker 1: I feel like that. I think I would be like,

558
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Speaker 1: that's a little unprofessional.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's see what actually happens. So female twenty seven

560
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Speaker 2: years old. Yesterday I got promoted to acting managers since

561
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Speaker 2: our boss will be leaving for a year to travel.

562
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Speaker 2: It seemed like my colleagues seem to be employees had

563
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Speaker 2: good feelings about this. I am maybe was very respected

564
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Speaker 2: in the company and very hard working, which are two

565
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Speaker 2: of the reasons I got promoted. The same day, we

566
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Speaker 2: had an office party with about one hundred people where

567
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Speaker 2: I got pretty drunk. Oh wow, I have blackouts about

568
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Speaker 2: half of the evening and at the end of the

569
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Speaker 2: night I fell asleep in the bar.

570
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Speaker 1: That's too drunk. I'm sorry, that's too drunk for an

571
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Speaker 1: office party.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

573
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Speaker 1: She was getting after it to be promoted and then.

574
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Speaker 2: Do that, Yeah, dude, talk about self sabotage where some

575
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Speaker 2: people got really worried and called for an ambulance. Imagine

576
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Speaker 2: me waking up after half an hour and realizing the

577
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Speaker 2: ambulance is there to take me away in front of

578
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Speaker 2: some people from the office.

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Speaker 1: Yikes.

580
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Speaker 2: Today my boss said she needed to speak with me.

581
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Speaker 2: It had come to her knowledge she was not at

582
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Speaker 2: the party that I had been making out with one

583
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Speaker 2: of the managers at the other departments in front of everyone. Yeah.

584
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Speaker 1: No, okay, I'm sorry. I think you fumbled.

585
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Speaker 2: You fumbled alone bit. She told me this is not

586
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Speaker 2: very professional.

587
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

588
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Speaker 2: Ill, how she has to state that it's not very

589
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Speaker 2: and will make my reputation bad and also take from

590
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Speaker 2: the respect that others have for me. I told her

591
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Speaker 2: I'm really ashamed and that I was really drunk. Sadly.

592
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also part of the problem.

593
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Speaker 2: She hasn't found out how drunk I was. I mean,

594
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Speaker 2: I feel like by the ambulance and the making out,

595
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Speaker 2: she doesn't found how drunk I was, which is good,

596
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Speaker 2: but it made me really worried that those people who

597
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Speaker 2: saw me will tell There are some of my colleagues

598
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Speaker 2: that are jealous and I'm sure I want to f

599
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Speaker 2: up this for me as I am also helping them

600
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Speaker 2: with my bad and unprofessional behavior, So it's like they're

601
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Speaker 2: going to use this as blackmail.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it's not even hard.

603
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like you gave them a lot of ammunition. Yeah,

604
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Speaker 2: you gave them a tank to blow up your career with. Yeah.

605
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Speaker 2: I don't know what to do and how to deal

606
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Speaker 2: with this problem. I worried with this duck up, they

607
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: will make the promotion go away. And also I can't

608
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Speaker 2: imagine what the others will be talking about behind my

609
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Speaker 2: back to my boss. For there are some relevant comments

610
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Speaker 2: and some updates. So all right, op, he's already fed up? Yeah,

611
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: what does she do from this point to? Like, I

612
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: don't know, salvage something.

613
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Speaker 1: I think you just keep you got to keep working

614
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Speaker 1: community service. I don't know if that would affect the job,

615
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: but I feel like you just have to keep working

616
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Speaker 1: and putting in your like don't don't try.

617
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Speaker 2: It at the office to show that you can work

618
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Speaker 2: through it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, I'm super agreed. I'm so sorry.

620
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of my process.

621
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wouldn't Yeah.

622
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Speaker 2: I mean, would there be any point in like getting

623
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Speaker 2: ahead of it and telling her manager like, hey, this

624
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Speaker 2: is exactly how drunk I was. I apologize, like basically

625
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Speaker 2: saying as much as she remembers.

626
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe being like I'm don't know what you

627
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Speaker 1: over me, blah blah blah.

628
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Speaker 2: Would you be very honest? Yeah, I feel like it's

629
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Speaker 2: better coming from her than.

630
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Speaker 1: Maybe and finding out from a bunch of other people

631
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Speaker 1: because office gosses.

632
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the office it could it could like make

633
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Speaker 2: it worse than it actually was. It's already pretty bad,

634
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 2: but like they could paint it as even worse than

635
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: if your manager is hearing about it for the first

636
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: time from them, Yeah, and they're putting away like a

637
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: way negative spin on the story, it could even further

638
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: negatively influence your chance of like keeping this promotion.

639
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

640
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Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think, oh he should do?

641
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: I would love to know. Put your answers in the comments.

642
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: I also want to know if that other guy, the

643
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: person that they made they hope he got as.

644
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Speaker 2: Well, because like, also if she was super yeah, why

645
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: was he making out with her? Yeah, I mean like

646
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Speaker 2: he could not have known that she was like blackout

647
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Speaker 2: or something.

648
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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know when people are blackout drunk.

649
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I mean like they have a glazed over Yeah,

650
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Speaker 2: I mean just that the benefit of the doubt, like

651
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 2: you don't always know where people are at in terms

652
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: of what they're regardless, I think he should talk, but

653
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: he I mean for the same reason she got. It

654
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Speaker 2: is very unprofessional to make out with someone that you

655
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Speaker 2: work with in front of everyone. Yeah that's yeah. No no, no, no, no,

656
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Speaker 2: I would never I hope so Riley. Anyway, look, OPI,

657
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Speaker 2: if you are serious that you think this was not

658
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: how you were supposed to behave this is a comment,

659
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: just quit drinking at least for half a year or

660
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: some such. This will show to your peers and boss

661
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: you can easily do without drinking, and also it's healthy

662
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: not to drink. Own up to the mistake and learn

663
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Speaker 2: from it. And OPI replied, I completely agree. I will

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Speaker 2: be sober from now and at least a year forward.

665
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Speaker 2: This and the consequences coming from this is my reality check.

666
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Speaker 2: I feel the most ashame for letting my boss down,

667
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: but I have about two months left to prove her

668
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: otherwise and I will do the best I can. As

669
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: everyone has been saying, the damage is done and I

670
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 2: can only do better from now on. Ye, and there

671
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: is a big wait, juicy update.

672
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: You've got like a little your hair. No, but I

673
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: feel like people in the comments.

674
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: Are like, dude, comments are welcome. You both say things

675
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: about my hair?

676
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: No, no, nobody does. But I feel like if your hair, I.

677
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: Feel like you're the only one who is making me

678
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: feel bad here.

679
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm not making you feel bad.

680
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm I feel bad. I feel sad and bad.

681
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Sorry, didn't mean to make you feel sad and bad.

682
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: I was just trying to help you anyway. So here's

683
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: the update question, Sophia, do you think that Opie's going

684
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: to lose her job? I think the fact conspiracy theory.

685
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: Whoa, Oh, they only talk about your hair, Sophia. By

686
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: the way, what's wrong with my hair? So with Sophia's

687
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: voice change and suddenly short.

688
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: Hair, it's funny.

689
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: Oh.

690
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: I think that the fact that the boss talked to

691
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: her and didn't fire around the spot is a good time.

692
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I agree. I feel like she is

693
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: going to keep her job.

694
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

695
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: Well, let's see what actually happens in this update. So

696
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: today my boss asked me in a room to talk

697
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: about the work party. She asked me, if there's anything

698
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: else I haven't told her, tell her. I took your

699
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: guys comments and consideration. I told her about the ambulance

700
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: and that some people were at the bar and saw that.

701
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: She told me that someone had contacted HR and told

702
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: them I'd been using cocaine.

703
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: Whoo lies. I don't think they actually were.

704
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, I told my boss and I could admit

705
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: that I celebrated the promotion too hard. Fell asleep at

706
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: the bar, which was not our office, and followed the

707
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: paramedics out. They checked my pulse and told me I

708
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: had low blood sugar and sent me away with some candy,

709
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: which was the case. I told her I have never

710
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: done drugs in a work setting and it's nothing I

711
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: do drugs. She also said I didn't do it in private.

712
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: I don't anymore. I admitted that I was drunk and

713
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: let her and also myself down, that I had been

714
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: struggling with alcohol and that I realized I need serious

715
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: help and we'll be getting matters in hand to fine help.

716
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. I'm glad. I'm glad that they like

717
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: kind of OPI realized.

718
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, OP came clean, but I feel that OP should

719
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: have come clean ideally before the boss brought her the office. Yeah,

720
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: because the first when did the first update happened? Right?

721
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: November thirteenth, and then yeah, let me go find it.

722
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: But it seems like this may I never loved.

723
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: It happened November eleventh, and then the update was November thirteen.

724
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: I deally, you should have told your boss right away

725
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: everything that happened. And it seems like this is not

726
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: just a party like the party problem. It seems like

727
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: something else.

728
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: Do you think the bosses could understand?

729
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know.

730
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: Would you understand if you were the boss? Appear answered

731
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: in the comments. But she told me that my reputation

732
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: was damaged, but that she trusted that I've told her

733
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: the whole truth. She wanted to check with HR and

734
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: her boss and we'll get back to me. But in

735
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: case the promotion is still on the table, I need

736
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: to promise her that I won't be drinking in the

737
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: work setting anymore. Done so good. She just got back

738
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: to me through email and told me that they have

739
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: decided two let me have the promotion and get me

740
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: to that. I need to promise her nothing like this

741
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: will ever happen again. I told her that I will

742
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: never let her down.

743
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, I think that the I.

744
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: Think, but I think that they like the bosses would

745
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: be totally within the realm of what is appropriate to

746
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: not give her for that permition.

747
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: I think absolutely, I think absolutely, But I think that

748
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: like I think that honesty helps Opie because like saying, like, hey,

749
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: I struggle with alcohol, and I'm realizing that now I think.

750
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: That was Yes, I agree, I agree, but I'm happy

751
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: for you. Op Just to add, I think that it's

752
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: one of my closest colleagues that has contacted the h

753
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: RT department, since she's the one that told this backstory

754
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: about the paramedics being there and said that people have

755
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: been talking about the case you'd taken something. I asked

756
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: her if she'd told them that I had not, since

757
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: she knows I don't do that kind of stuff and

758
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: that I also have been like this before when I

759
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: was drunk, to which she answered, I didn't talk much

760
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: about you after the speculations. It makes me somehow sad

761
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: to think that of all the ten to twenty people

762
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: who saw that that someone in my close circle would

763
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: do that. I understand, but I don't think this was

764
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: done for the kindness in their hearts, since they would

765
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: in that case contact me first to find out exactly

766
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: what happened. Yeah, long story short, lesson learned. I have

767
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: now all the reasons to stay sober and to show

768
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: them haters that I got this chance because I deserved it.

769
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: Though I am my own worst enemy and the only

770
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: reason that the situation happened. This is proof that my

771
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: boss trusts in me even when I don't, and I

772
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: will never let her regret her decision and giving me

773
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: this second chance. I've contacted an online therapy site to

774
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: do regular online visits and deal with my shit. I

775
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: have found a mentor online. Someone in here contacted me

776
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: and offered help, and I've also joined the subreddit for

777
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: other alcoholics.

778
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: That's so great.

779
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: I'll look for some in person AA meetings as well,

780
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: but they're not available in my city.

781
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm not such a happy hunting Yeah, not only together. Yeah,

782
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: not only did OP get the promotion, but also got

783
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: like help that they needed.

784
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: And it's also sometimes I feel like when you write

785
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: these stories down in this way to like, yeah strangers,

786
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: it kind of like makes it concrete what actually needs

787
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: to happen and how you need to change in a

788
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: way that like if you maybe didn't write it out

789
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: and see it in front of you might not actually

790
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: see it's like a journal on exactly. It's like a

791
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: journal on steroids.

792
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: With thousands, thousands of people that stranger.

793
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: Is commenting on how you should change your life. But

794
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: in this case it worked. I think it worked really well.

795
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: But I guess, like with op, do you think it

796
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: is the smart decision to not drink any alcohol for

797
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: the year?

798
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

799
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

800
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like if it's to the point where they're considering

801
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: going to like aang and therapist, I think it's like

802
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: it seems like it's a serious problem.

803
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 2: Agree. And I feel like, honestly, a lot of people

804
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: use alcohol as a crutch to socialize, and so like,

805
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: I really think it's not a good idea, Like you

806
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: should do like mushrooms instead, you.

807
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Should just be like meme, just be cool, be cool, cool.

808
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: So he is the cleanest out of all this. I

809
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: have a caffeine addiction.

810
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I think you like the clean What does

811
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: that have to do with anyway?

812
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 3: Those mushrooms? John?

813
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: I have a coffee in addiction with John.

814
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: Does I drink mucha John's.

815
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Love John John's addicted to his girlfriend? I would say

816
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: like probably, I probably I don't drink that much coffee.

817
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: This is my first coffee of like the last week.

818
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been chilling out on the coffee.

819
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake, Macha healthy for you.

820
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: But I've been doing more mushrooms, which I think is

821
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: good for me.

822
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 3: Honestly, I feel like you're a very creative person that

823
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: helps you. Sometimes Sam and I have these conversations like

824
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: where do you go during this? But he explained to

825
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: me his mushroom adventures, and I'm like, Okay, this is

826
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 3: Jake's out.

827
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: This is where I go. I go into the wild

828
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: world of mushrooms. But you know what wild world I

829
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: want to explore. This next story, This next story,